The Bill Simmons Podcast - Patriots Panic Time, Baltimore’s Moment, the NFC Least, and ‘The Irishman’ Was Too Long With Cousin Sal | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: December 2, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Patriots’ loss to the Texans, the Ravens toppling the 49ers, Colts-Titans, Eagles-Dolphins, Steelers-Browns, NFC East playoff predictions, Chargers-Broncos, cross-off teams, and more (2:10), before guessing the NFL lines for Week 14 (48:05). Finally, Bill and Sal discuss Martin Scorsese’s ‘The Irishman’ (1:19:54). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dave Damoshek starting Sam Darnold over Deshaun Watson in week 13 of Fantasy. Not so fast. Has anything crazier ever happened in fantasy ever we'll get to damage act we'll get to my team that lost 72 hours ago no one even remembers but first we must talk about the new england patriots yeah potentially a five seat oh shit wow because the bill is good why are you doing this to me don't laugh you have to decide who you want to root for next week the Ravens or the Bills it's going to be fun

I actually saw the odds today before this pass game this morning the Bills were like what 15 to 1 to win the division something like that was it even higher than that that was about it I think yeah I saw 12 or 15 alright so what do you want from me from this podcast? Do you want skies falling panic? Do you want reassuring? What do you want?

What personality should I adopt? Oh, man, throw them all at me. I think people like seeing multiple personality, Bill, but what are you truly feeling about this? Well, here's the thing. I don't think Houston's very good. That's the most alarming thing to me out of tonight is when Baltimore kicked the shit out of the Pats, that one, I was like, oh my God, Baltimore's really good. If you play this game 10 times, I'm not sure how many times the Pats win. This game, it was more of a giveaway by the Pats early. And then Houston got a lot of momentum and then the game just slipped away. But I thought really poorly coached, really poorly played and the lack of talent on the skill position players, I think, uh, is, is my takeaway this whole season. And especially tonight,

Brady's going to get blamed tomorrow. It's going to be this whole, as Brady done thing. I did everybody watch the game. Who were the open receivers until we got to garbage time? They just don't have any scary players, do they? Do you find scary Patriots on this team? Who was that tight end that finally made a reception with the seam over the middle? Yeah. And they talked about that and how he misses that. And he needs that every two drives, at least.

Otherwise, it's Edelman on Jonathan Joseph, who blanketed him when he was on him. He did a great job with him. Swing passes out to James White, which in garbage time yielded a lot of points, but I don't know if it was their first three quarters. They double teamed Julian Edelman, which is crazy.

It's not like he's DeAndre Hopkins or Tyreek Hill or something. He's Julian Edelman. They used a nickelback to shade James White the whole time and Collinsworth was praising it. Meanwhile, James White was really the only reliable guy the Patriots had tonight. What really killed them were the other receivers. Muhammad Sanu, they gave up a second round pick for. I don't remember him making a big play all game.

I do remember him fair catching a punt on the five yard line. That was fun. I do remember him dropping a fourth and one pass, which they should have called a pass interference and they didn't. So I know he's, he's battling a, a sore ankle, but they tried a second round pick for him. He was supposed to be an impact guy, the same way Emmanuel Sanders has been for Denver. That hasn't happened. And then you have Nikhil Harry,

who they spent a first round pick on last year in a draft that is honestly loaded with receivers. And, you know, he got hurt. He missed eight games. The feedback on him, even dating back to last spring, was even Brady and his side of things were worried that he was going to help at all this year. He seemed kind of raw.

And, and, and Jacoby Myers looks like he doesn't even practice with Brady way there off. Yeah. They, they, he's basically should be on a practice squad.

I mean, I like him, but I don't know if that's the guy that you should be relying on, on third and nines, but the Nikhil hair thing, that's what in the game today, that I guess it's going to be a lot more fun. You're going to say our season's over.

Our defense is terrible. That was the key. We can't defend against a top-notch receiver. We're going to have trouble. We're going to lose to the Chiefs. I wanted to hear all that. I'm not hearing any of that. Well, I think it's a game

the old school Pats would have just tried to outscore Houston. And I'm not sure they have the firepower anymore. Like the Nicole Harry play, the pick that turned the game around when it was three nothing and Houston had no momentum at all at that point. And Harry just got out muscled by a D-back who just cut in front of him. He didn't fight for it at all. Texans get a huge play. They end up getting a touchdown out of it. And I don't know if we saw Harry more than like five plays after that. I think he got banished to Siberia, but you know, what's, what's bothersome for me is they spent a lot of capital the last two years on skill position guys.

And you watch a game like tonight and people are going, where's the firepower? It's like, well, they spent a first round pick on Sonya Michelle, one pick in front of Lamar Jackson. They spent a first round pick on Nikhil Harry. They spent a first round pick on Nikhil Harry. They traded a second round pick for Mohamed Sanu. Where's the firepower? Those are three pretty juicy picks. Like if your team spent two firsts and a second on scope position guys, and none of them showed up in this game,

wouldn't you be concerned? Yeah, well, let me tell you the firepower, if I may answer, is off tweeting apologies to Robert Kraft. Bring Antonio Brown back if you need him so badly. It is frightening that I was on multiple Pats fan threads today about AB coming back. And then he did an Instagram post today. But, you know, it all makes sense. This is why Brady obviously was fighting behind the scenes for them not to give up on the AB thing.

But you look at all the picks and the capital they've spent on the scope position guys. The fact that they never replaced Gronk, the fact that they don't have a deep threat at all. How many times have you seen Brady this year throwing deep downfield and either the guy is completely blanketed or he just has to throw the ball 20 yards away

from whoever he was aiming it for or he's going to get intercepted. Nobody has opened downfield ever. so if people are going to talk tomorrow about whether brady is done or not you got to look at the at the supporting cast sure and they're just the number you could look at numbers and interceptions and interceptions are weird because there's tip passes and maybe there should be more maybe there should be fewer but the number they brought up is his 3.1 seconds before release, which is way higher than previous years, than earlier in the year, than everything.

So this was not a good game. But honestly, I thought, man, I still think that every Miss Vinatieri kick is leading to the biggest tampering scandal we've ever seen, where the Patriots just pick him up and he kicks the game winner in Baltimore right through the uprights. Take that, Tucker, right in your face.

That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about that Patriots team flexing their muscles. It's going to be sad for everyone. You're laughing, but you know that's going to be true. He would be our fifth kicker this year. The coaching today was so shoddy in so many different ways on the

Pat side. I mean, Bill O'Brien and Romeo Cornell really outcoached the Pats, but here's an example. They score the touchdown, and they have a chance to go for a two-point to cut it to 10 or just kick the PAT to go to 11. Brady goes to the line. He just stands there. They take a delay a game.

Collinsworth and Michaels are fine with that. Collinsworth, oh, he just wanted to see what defense. Obviously, he didn't like it. It's like, all right, well now Kai Forbass kicking a 38-yarder. This isn't good. I'm watching with Kyle. I'm going, what the fuck are we doing? He's not going to make this. He duck

hooks it. Now we're down 12. We're down two touchdowns. Also, the way he did it, too. He approaches the line. He puts his hands on his hips like at least get up there and bark you know try to get someone to jump off size i don't know what you're gonna do with that but don't take the penalty yourself when you're on your fourth kicker and five yards might make a difference in an extra point it looked like it did and then the fourth and one where the brady qb sneak is what 1201 for 1202 lifetime and they end up doing the

play action to Sanu, who he's not on the same page with yet at all. I don't mind that. Now he was held a little bit, but no, he was interfered with, but I, I, he's thrown to him.

What? 15 times in a game all season. I don't know. Just run the QB sneak. It works every time. Yeah. And then the, the blitzing Watson,

which worked for a little bit. And then at some point became absurd, and he was just destroying them with it, and Hopkins was able to get open one-on-one on Gilmore. Houston couldn't run the ball at all. And I just think the Pats' defense is great. For them to give up 28 points to Houston, in my opinion, when Houston can't run the ball, it's nuts.

And that's what's weird. You want to say, oh, Hopkins is the best receiver they've faced. He had a decent game. He got open when he used to can't run the ball is nuts. And that's, what's weird. Like he wanted to say like, Oh, Hopkins is the best receiver. They face. Yeah. Decent game. He got open when he needed to. And only have five receptions for 64 yards. They were beat deep, which was the weird thing.

You don't see that, you know, and they miss tackles deep and Kenny stills and all those guys. That's what was strange to me. Yeah. They were, they missed tackles. Like they had that, that one sack Simon could add on Watson, and he just lets him go. That was a game changer, yep.

And then the linebacker who missed the tight end, oh no, it was Chung who missed the tight end on the outside. This was not a good game. Again, I don't like to overreact to September, October, November games, but this was a significant one because now they have to go into Baltimore. Unless they get some help from Baltimore, they're going to have to go there and win. And we just watched that Niners-Ravens game today

where I thought the Niners played really defensively about as well as you could possibly play against them. Offensively, I thought Jimmy G was pretty shaky, but they did enough to hang around in that game. And the Ravens can still, they're a four down team in these fourth quarters. I've never seen anything like it where it's just like,

we have to go 10 yards. We're using all four downs. It's third and seven. That's fine. We're going to keep the ball these next two downs. And they're at home and they have the best field goal kicker on the planet. And you compare that to the Pats where the Pats, the special teams this year has really taken a step back. Like the kicking game, the punter's okay. The field goal kicking situation's a disaster. The return

situation is really below average now. They get no boost at all. If anything, it's a detriment. And you look at the Ravens and it's like, it's all the little stuff the Ravens have done with special teams, with going forward on these fourth downs, with really knowing what their identity is and they don't beat themselves. And I think they're the best team. Well, I think they're the best team too, but it didn't, none of this stuff you talked about really mattered the last five weeks. They killed everyone by 30 points, like 28, 30 points. If I read the score, you remember, but this is the day they needed Tucker.

And I had said it earlier. I don't know if I said to you, but this is going to be a weird game. I'm like, I don't know how to gauge this, but I think neither team shows up or one of the teams doesn't show up. San Francisco, West Coast playing East early. I don't know why that game's early anyway. Stupid. Make that a later game that everyone could watch. And then, you know, the Ravens coming off that Monday night dismantling of the Rams. Maybe they check out a little early, but no, they really played at a high level, both of those teams for the entire game. And it was great. I mean, I commented that I wouldn't mind seeing it again in February.

I feel like everybody said that, but those are two teams. Jimmy G, I don't know. He kind of impressed me. I feel like he can go on the road and win. That was a tough game to a shine. He was definitely a little happy fetish, I felt like. I'm just so impressed by Baltimore. I like watching football teams

that know exactly who they are and they know exactly who they are every decision they make is logical and you can guess it ahead of time as compared to what we watched with my Patriots today and Lamar did his thing but he didn't let it get to him

they seemed to be in control that second half anyway I didn't feel like it was the greatest Lamar game. I thought he really badly missed a couple throws today. Bad weather too. Yeah, it wasn't great weather. But man, the great equalizer is those plays where they have the sweep

and the Niners have it dead to right. They have the guy in the right spot and the play shouldn't work. And then Lamar just jukes the guy and he goes by him. And that team is really, really, really good. And it's going to be, I would say, near impossible to beat them there if they can avoid injuries. I think KC would probably have the best chance right now.

I think it's going to be tough to beat them anywhere. But I wouldn't undersell this Houston team. I don't think they're in the final, the AFC finals, but they have some good wins. They beat up your team. They beat up the Chiefs. They're okay. They're really not bad.

I know you like Tennessee to win the division, run away with that whole thing. I don't know why I have not warmed up to this Houston team yet. Even tonight, they can't run the ball. That seems like a problem. They, I thought, really scouted the Patriots well.

They, over and over again, and Collinsworth has pointed out, able to get Duke Johnson on those little pass plays against linebackers, which is kind of the secret weakness of this Pats defense.

Most of the teams they played just didn't have the right personnel to exploit it. But I thought they did a great job. I thought defensively, they threw a whole bunch of weird stuff at Brady, and Brady seemed confused a lot of the time in the first half.

Even not scoring that touchdown on that first drive was so important. They're inside the 10. It's first down, and they just had a terrible last three plays and bounced back. So anyway. Yeah, they ended up kicking a field goal. Everyone says, well, that's a win. That's first down. And they just had a terrible last three plays and bounced back. So anyway. Yeah, they end up kicking a field goal.

Everyone says, well, that's a win. That's a win for the Texans right there. Just maintaining a 7-3 lead. Well, that was a doubly big game for Houston because Tennessee is coming on like a freight train. And I want to talk about that, but let's take a break quick. Hey, there's no need to interrupt your workday

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Again, stamps.com, NRBS. Okay, so we have this AFC South where early it looked like Indianapolis grabbed control of it. Then they started getting banged up. And then Houston grabbed control. And then quietly, here comes Tennessee. And Tennessee, I texted you in-house at the beginning of the fourth quarter and was tied. And I watched the whole game.

Tennessee was better. And it seemed like it was going to be one of those potential stupid Indianapolis wins where it's like, wow, Indianapolis pulled that out by three. How did they do that? They're not nearly as good. And then Tennessee laid the smack down and you know,

there was a, there was stats circulating on the internet today about Derek Henry, his last 16 games. He's over 1700 yards with 18 TDs. And there was stats circulating on the internet today about Derrick Henry. His last 16 games, he's over 1,700 yards with 18 TDs. He might actually be the best running back in the league right now, just from a production standpoint. And Tannehill's never played this well. The receivers are physical.

And it's one of those teams, we always talk about this, where you see the sideline, everybody's locked in, where they make a play and there's 20 guys jumping on the field, fist pumping, and the coach is going nuts. And I think the Titans really think they're good. I think they believe in the ceiling of the team. And I think they're a wild card come playoff time. What do you think? It's so weird because, yeah, I guess so.

And especially since the Raiders, like, well, first of all, they play the Raiders this week, so that'll be a big game it's in Oakland but sure I think they could be the sixth best team I'm not buying into the Steelers it's a fun thing that I've done and Mike Tomlin deserves all the credit in the world for being 7-5 right now but

yeah it's weird because Tannehill as you say he's been great but he's having okay games what do you have 180 yards passing he just doesn't really screw up that much as you say, he's been great, but he's having okay games. What, does he have 180 yards passing? He just doesn't really screw up that much. He looks slow when he's running the ball and doing weird things. But Derrick Henry, it's Derrick Henry season. We said that, right?

He's going to bust out one or two 30-yard runs or something crazy, and that's going to be hard to contend with. Then you throw a block punt in there or whatever, and yeah, they believe they can win. They're a fun team to watch. I hate to say it because they're a Clay Travis team. I know. Well, the game today, Henry fumbled on the first drive. Right.

And then Tannehill had a fumble later in the half. And it started to have the feeling of one of those stupid games. The good thing for them is Vinatieri. We talked last week about the concept of the ACFU games. Yeah. Which was the acronym for our kicker fucked us. I don't know if this was an official ACFU game for Vinatieri.

He did have two kicks blocked, but I think in both cases, anyone blocks the kick. For some reason, they just couldn't block the Titans. But he missed a one early that I thought changed the momentum a little bit. I just like this Titans team. Well, and that's funny. It's funny too. I have to give you credit because as a gambler and you pick the Colts to win the division back in August and you had some success bending on them, but you saw a turn in them. I don't know what you saw. Maybe that Thursday night game or whatever. Too many injuries. Yeah. Now they're racking up all their skill position players.

Their top guys are out. Yeah, Tennessee. But then you did the thing where you texted me and House, I think, Tannehill with three exclamation points. And I think the fumble came about. Yeah. A 10 Mississippi count right after that text went through. I always forget I have the power to cause these players to turn over.

I would love to see the stats on the guy's next drive after I get the three exclamation points after whatever name you text. But kudos to you. You had him on every parlay, everything. That was a good pick. And I think they could be a six seed easily. I thought they scouted the Colts well, too, because Brissette's not 100%. I think we're going to find out after the season, he's got some injury we didn't know

about because he can't really move around. And as the game went on, they just started blitzing the hell out of him and forcing him to either have to backpedal or scramble right or left. And he just couldn't do it. He couldn't move well enough. Think about the guy the first five, six weeks of the season. He was so sure of himself. And now, you know, I was looking at how this could play out with the AFC. You figure the Ravens and the Pats would be the buy teams. Right now, it'd be Steelers at Chiefs, 6-3. And then Bills at Texans, 5-4.

And the Titans will be fighting the Steelers for that six spot. And we should talk about the Steelers because Tomlin to me is the coach of the year. Unless you want to give it to Harbaugh. But to me, that's more of an organizational thing. What Tomlin's done, he loses Roethlisberger first week.

They make this Minka Fitzpatrick trade that everybody thinks is like the all time Hail Mary, but over and over again, they pulled wins out of their asses. And, you know, you look at last week where he just was like, fuck it. And he benches Rudolph. And after not even a halftime after the first drive after halftime, where he's like, I'm not letting this guy ruin my season. Fuck him. Get some out of there.

And then doubles down after in the press conference, where he said the thing about Hodges, about he's not going to kill us, meaning like Rudolph was and Hodges won't. And then everything they did in the game today, where you had the Browns that were really looking good early and the steelers just kept scrapping and scrapping and coming back and apparently there were these stories about at halftime tomlin was drawing up like defenses they'd never used before to try to combat what the browns are doing yeah but uh well you must have heard about him because you bet the

steelers in the second half you didn't even care i was like i don't know it's minus two and a half oh now it's minus three you're like give, give me the three. I don't care. I like the Steelers here. And yeah, you're right about Tomlin. If you lose Big Ben, if you lose Connor, you lose... No, Juju! I'm not even talking about Antonio Brown, but Juju's not in any of these games. And they're still winning, and they're doing

it on defense. And I think you're right. He said to you know, all right, Mason Rudolph, you did your job. You got the Browns' best defender out of the game when we play them in two weeks so but i don't want you screwing up offensively that said they are going to have to do better offensively against this browns team is a disaster so if you look at the steelers last few games offensively what do they have 20 16 7 17 doesn't really matter who's in there a quarterback. They always seem to be around the same number there. They're going to have to do better than that, I think. And it's funny because

watching the Browns today, you see the seeds of this powerhouse. When they have that Chubb-Kareem Hunt backfield, and you don't know whether they're going to run Chubb up the middle or do a real route with Kareem Hunt or whatever.

And then they have Landry and Beckham out there. There's so much firepower. You're just like, how is this team that's scoring 35 points a game? Cream hunt led the league in rushing two years ago. And I think I know how they're not scoring 35 points a game. Did you see the picture of Baker after the game? Right.

Oh my God. Wow. He looks like he gained 30 pounds since the hand injury today. Like, is he eating the ice that he's supposed to be putting on his, on his wrist? What, what happened there?

That was a great, uh, halftime moment where you mean house are all texting, trying to figure out the, uh, Steelers halftime line because we're convinced Baker broke his hand. Yeah. And that,

and also I, I just felt like the Steelers were going to win anyway, but Baker hurting his hand. It's like if he plays, great, because his hands hurt. If he's out, Gilbert's the backup. That's great, too. Yeah. And then the third quarter starts, and there he is.

He's in the game, and they're like, yeah, he seems fine. I was like, oh, my God, what do we do? But the Steelers, inspirational story, though. And speaking of inspirational, the Dolphins, who were an 0-16 candidate. And this was one bet I did lose today where House and I had the Eagles in a parlay with the under, which was 51 and a half teased up too. Just thinking like, wow, what are the dolphins going to score 10 points? The Eagles defense is great. Guess what's not great? The Eagles defense. Guess who else might not be great?

Nick Carson Wentz. Well, I think the dolphins are just going to screw you when I'm not saying you screw anybody, screw the betters at least once a year, you're going to have whoever the dolphins are playing on a teaser or something, or a money line parlay or something. And it's not going to make any sense in the world. That team is going to need a win. Today, it was the Eagles, and you're going to lose with them. So you might as well just put money aside, like a Dolphins fund. You just have to count that you're going to blow out a tire every two years. You're going to go through a construction site and run over a nail.

So put aside money for a tire. Put aside money for a loss against the Dolphins. It's not going to make any sense, but that's how you have to treat it. I think. Yeah. But haven't the Colts have done this now? The dolphins have done this now a couple of times.

That's what I'm saying. Cause they, whether it's a lateral to win the game against the Patriots or a kicker throwing a touchdown to a punter, it's always something asinine and they do it. They covered that Washington game in week six, which was their first cover of the season. Well, whatever.

No one's bad in that. The Pittsburgh game in week eight where they had the 14-0 lead and somehow lost 27-14. They're like, okay, these guys suck. We figured them out. Then they beat the Jets by eight, beat the Colts by four, they get killed by Buffalo, they get killed by Cleveland, and then Colts by four. They get killed by Buffalo.

They get killed by Cleveland. And then they come back and beat Philly and Philly. Yep. Like, how about this, America? Stay away from the Dolphins. Don't put them in parlays. Yeah. Bad idea.

Miami, Cincinnati, and Washington all won today, right? It was really tough to make any money. Philly, the Philly fans are out of their mind. And I'll tell you this, Sal. I'll tell you where I am mentally. We lost the Super Bowl to Foles and Doug Peterson. Right. And on a day like today, you just stare in the,

it's like the Michael Corleone sitting outside the Lake Tahoe compound after Fredo's been killed. Just deep in thought and just like comprehending evil. Right. That's where I was today. I was like, wow. Foles had to be benched. He was so bad.

And this guy stared the greatest quarterback of all time in the eyes less than two years ago. Less than two years ago. He outplayed Tom Brady in the Super Bowl and now he can't make it out of the first half. And then Peterson just getting his pants pulled down by Brian Flores and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Yeah. And after the game, Peterson said something to the effect of, hey, what can I say? The Dolphins are a good team. It's like, well, you could say something other than that because that's not true.

Well, remember on the pod last week, I was joking about the white running back from the undrafted white guy from California. And the announcer was like, I'll tell you, they like this kid. Yeah, right. That kid did really well in the game today. Yeah.

He was involved in some big plays. I really like Brian Flores. One more thing. Like, Foles, I agree with that. I don't know how you explain him to my grandkids. I'm like Brian Flores. One more thing. I agree with that. I don't know how you explain him. I'm like my grandkids. I'm like, go talk to your grandmother. I can't tell you what Nick Falls. I don't know

how he won the Super Bowl. I don't know how he got a starting job or got paid $100 million. None of it makes sense. So 2045, they're like, Grandpa Sal, will you tell me what happened with Nick Falls in 2017? Scram! Can't do it.

I have no answers! So, the NFC East right now is 10-26 in non-division games. Oh, I saw something like 2 in whatever the terrible number is. 19 against winning teams or something. Well, just any game that's not two NFC teams playing each other, you're 10 and 26. That's good. According to Chase Stewart,

the record since 1970 for worst non-division winning percentage was the 2014 NFC South, which went 11, 30, and 1 for a 274 winning percentage. You're slightly above that at 10-26. Well, I could see this coming from you. I mean, that's a blockbuster division you play in for over a decade now.

Well, that blockbuster division is 10-4 against every NFC East team. Just say no. The NFC East is down. What do you want me to tell you? And also, there's a lot of data that the whole myth of the AFC East is actually not true. What's the data? I'd love to hear the data.

When have the Jets been good? The number two, three, and four teams in every division every year since 2000, the AFC East is way better than you'd think. Go look it up. How many times have the Bills made the... I'm flabbergasted here. In 15 years, How many times have the Bills made the...

I'm flabbergasted here. In 15 years, how many times have there been two AFC East playoff teams? I'm sorry. How many times have the Cowboys

made the Super Bowl? The Cowboys... I'm talking about just a playoff team. Cowboys and Eagles have both made it or the Giants have made it. They've been teamed

plenty of years like that. Yeah, you've had three Super Bowl teams and a bunch of losses. Listen, here's all I know. It's hit or miss. It's feast or famine in the NFC East. Right now it's famine.

It's going to be feast in Dallas because we don't even need to win the next two games. If we beat the Eagles in Philly, which why not? They're bad. We're bad. And then beat the Redskins at home in week 17, Cowboys and the NFC is champs. Can you walk me through your emotions on your favorite day of the year, Thanksgiving? Three things you like

the most, I would say. Gambling, one. Food, two. Football, three. I'm going to put family like 23rd. All of that together into one all-day food, Football three. I'm going to put family like 23rd. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes, way down there. All of that together into one all-day food football gambling extravaganza. Your team's right smack dab in the middle of it.

Nice healthy favorites over the Bills. Bills are plus 240 money line. Yeah. Bills don't need the game. There are five. No matter how you look at it, there are five. Even though I want to joke with you that they're going to win the AFCs, but there are five seed anyway. And, uh, Cowboys need it humiliated after another loss against the Patriots.

They have that stat thrown in their face all week. They haven't beaten a winning team. Okay. Here's a winning team that maybe not. Isn't that good? Do it Jason Garrett. But here's the thing. I kind of feel a little bit the way you do about,

well, everyone's going to take shots at Brady. I don't blame Garrett this game. Of course, he's terrible. And of course, hey, how about win a game? But when Jerry gets mad, Jerry Jones gets mad. I was angrier against Jets after the Jets loss than the Bills loss. I knew immediately we were overmatched. Now, like I said, it'd be nice if Jason Garrett could once beat a team that he's not

supposed to beat. And in this case, he was supposed to beat the bills, but they were clearly better defensively. They swarm, they do all the right things. I don't know. I was,

I was surprised to see that Garrett was going to be the, the scapegoat for this one. But yes, of course I was upset. They mocked, they mocked Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, they did. But the soup, right? They did the soup thing. I would have more comments on the game, but nephew Kyle showed up and we made Bloody Marys that were delicious. And then my mom

showed up and she had all, what was that wine, Kyle? The white wine? Yeah. She had like some funky white wine. What were you drinking? I made myself a less good Bloody Mary, and then I went to beer. We had a lot of drinks, is my point. So the game kind of flew by for me. But Buffalo, I thought without Foster, I thought they would have trouble. He was like their deep guy, but it didn't matter. They just found other deep guys.

And Singletary's good. Yeah. He's just feisty and does stuff. And Allen played really well. Josh Allen'sary is good. Yeah. He's, he's just feisty and does stuff. And Alan played really well. Josh Allen's good too. Yeah. He's good. I,

he's like a franchise quarterback. They definitely don't have to look for a quarterback anytime soon. That's our guy. He's fine. Well, they have weird is Cowboys could be out. Rams could be out. Bears are definitely out of the play.

Those are three division winners. I know there's turnover every year, but you would think one of those three would make it in, right? You would think. I just can't believe the NFC East, I would say, is the crown jewel division from a TV standpoint, right? Like if you're doing just a draft on markets and ratings, Washington, New York,

Philly, Dallas is the best you're going to do. It's a monster. Yeah, right. And we're in a situation now where the Giants have been bad for five years. Washington's been bad for 15 years.

Now, Dallas, it seemed like they were going to make a step up. Hasn't really happened. Philly's already on the downside somehow. I don't even know how that happened. And this is kind of the division now. I feel like this is going to be what it looks like next year.

It might. I think you're right. It doesn't really matter when the AFC South, in terms of markets, is down. Because, all right, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, that's fine. But the NFL football needs these teams to be good. Yeah. One thing we forgot to mention on Lamar, because I saw Tony Dungy say before the game,

let's talk about how Lamar was picking apart the Niners zone. He had 105 yards passing today. Right. 71 of those 105 yards were to tight ends. His leading receiver was Willie Sneed with 12 yards. And I think that's going to be the recipe. If the road to the Super Bowl goes through Baltimore, which I think we can say it does, we have the right to change our mind before week 18. The fact that they're not getting production out of their receivers would be the red flag for me.

If I was going to point to a red flag, if you're going through red flags for every team, the Patriots have about seven. But I think for Baltimore, it's that in the NFC right now, who would you have as the favorite did the Niners win you over as the favorite in that game? I think they kind of did. Even with this loss, they won me over. But I want to see them play the New Orleans next week. That's a gigantic game.

That's going to be fun. I still think you got Rodgers, you got Breeze, you have Russell Wilson. They're not going to be the top seed. All right. Those are tough outs either way. So I can't say anything bad about any of those teams. But I'm glad that on the whole, we have seven good teams between the two conferences.

Yeah, I think the top heaviness of the league is going to make for a really fun playoff. So right now you have, if Seattle wins tomorrow night, if they beat Minnesota, then they would be a bye team if the season ended today. So let's say they're favored by three. Let's just give them the win just for the sake of this whole exercise. All right.

Saints, Seahawks would be your bye teams. You would have San Francisco as the five seed going to Dallas. And then you would have Minnesota at Green Bay, the 6-3 matchup. I'm going to throw a very in there. I'd be very surprised if San Francisco, Minnesota, or Seattle, whoever's the five seed,

can't go to Philly or Dallas and win that game. I know one of those East teams might be a one or two point favorite depending on who travels there, Minnesota. I'd be very surprised at this point favorite, depending on who travels there, Minnesota. I'd be very surprised at this point. Well, that's why I brought that up. Because in the AFC, assuming the Texans are the four seed,

unless the Titans can somehow pass them, either way, that's a pretty strong four seed. Unusually strong for the AFC. Well, the Texans are maybe a three, don't you think? The Chiefs have four losses, don't they? Right. Well, Chiefs are Texans or Titans. That'll be one of those three.

All three of those teams are pretty good. Now you go to your conference and it's Philly or Dallas will definitely be hosting a playoff game. Yeah. And it could be against San Francisco, who might be the second best team in the whole league. Right. That's weird.

Yeah. But think about the next week. You're likely not, not a, you know, far fetched that you have Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers,

and Garoppolo. And then the final four of the NFC. I know the Packers ended up winning that game pretty handily and the weather was weird and all that, but that was one of those games where it was like, Hey guys, put this game away. What are you doing?

And then finally they did. I don't know. Yeah. For, for a half there. it was like, hey guys, put this game away. What are you doing? And then finally they did. I don't know. For a half there, it was like, really? Really? The Giants are going to hang around here? What's going on? You know what's weird? A few times this year, a team that 90% of the public has bet on has won.

Has won and covered. And it's weird. It's like the public is winning. They're guessing right on some of these games. The Packers were one of those teams. It was like 87, 88% that was betting on that game laid the six and a half points. And I wasn't really worried.

I'm still not sold on Daniel Jones. It sounds like Shermer's going to be fired. This is two double-digit lost seasons in a row. But I still don't know that they have the right quarterback in there. Well, the public was on the Chargers today. The line swelled to four and a half, and then drew luck through a couple touchdowns,

and then classic Chargers. Game's over. All of a sudden, it's not. It's a tie game. We're going to overtime. Actually, we're not going to go to overtime because there's a really game we're going to overtime actually we're not going to go to overtime because there's there's a really weird pass interference and now they've lost again in the last minute i there aren't enough chargers fans to talk about this for long enough but really can you imagine

if this was a team that had like imagine this like the bears right and the bears blew eight games in the last minute of in one season like That would be all we heard about for three days. But it's the Chargers. Well, we said last week on this podcast, when we went over that game, Denver and Chargers, we said, just stay away from it. These are two teams that every week there's a new way to lose a game. Fangio against Anthony Lynn, who somehow won 12 games last year. I don't know how.

But you could have just tuned in with two and a half minutes left because the Chargers had 220 left and three timeouts. And it was fourth and one, and they go for it. And there's a timeout, and there's a false start. So a false start after a timeout is hilarious anyway. It's fourth and six. Then another one, another false start, fourth and 11. All right, why don't you punt now? You're still on the other side at two minutes no they go for it that

williams guy makes an incredible catch like a crazy fourth and eleven catch down the sideline they're 35 yards puts them in field goal range and then they do fangio doesn't stop the clock he lets them bleed it to like 19 or something. Like he's, they're clearly kicking a field goal on fourth and one rivers backs out. They call timeout. They kick the field goal. And then, all right, there's no time left.

You left yourself no time. So why are you throwing a bomb? If you're going for it, you would think you'd want 45, 50 seconds level. You could have. And the passing affair is a Casey Hayward, like so,

so controversial, but good job by you, Chargers. You did it again. A new way to lose. It's incredible how they do it. Fanny Pack. Yeah. Him and Anthony Lynn, it's really, it's one for the ages.

Hey, last year, Crown Royal launched the first off-field water break to encourage fans of the game to moderate and hydrate, stay in the game, whether you're watching the stadium, watching at home or in a bar. Have a great time. Enjoy some crown. Just don't be that person that ruins it for everyone. Make the right call and take a water break.

So who made the right call this week or not? Who made the right call? I'm going to say Zach Taylor. Yeah. On the Bengals. Yeah. They get up. The Jets come to town.

They're an underdog. They're a three and a half point underdog. They get up 7-3. They get up 10-3. I was like, they're winning thisdog. They're a three and a half point underdog. They get up 7-3. They get up 10-3. I was like, they're winning this damn game, aren't they? Why didn't we figure this out? The Jets are a bad team. They won.

They beat the Raiders. They're excited. They're doing some Joe Namath celebrating with Crown Royal. They're down 10-3. I was like, I'm live betting them here. Minus 170. Good job by you, Zach Taylor. Of course, Andy Dalton.

They're not tanking. I mean, whatever. They may be tanking, but they weren't going, Andy Dalton. They're not tanking. I mean, whatever. They may be tanking, but they weren't going to tank this game. They were going to win one stupid game, and this was the one. Good move, Zach Taylor. Bengals get their first win. My right call goes to all the kickers who are now really experimenting with onside kicks because the percentages have swayed so much against them because they can't stack it all on one side.

Now we're seeing, we, we saw one today. I forget what game it was. Was it, I think it was, maybe it was the Pats Texans. Yeah.

You got so excited. What are you talking about? You can't remember the one that ended the game. No, no, not that one. That was great too. No,

there was one where somebody did this spin. It was almost like, it was like a boomerang. It went from right to left and it spun to the left. I think that was also in the Pats-Texas game. But we're seeing like we saw a coup on Thursday night. Two onside kicks recovered. But teams are now like figuring out weird bounces

and ways to make the ball ricochet up. And they changed the rules. It sucked. Nobody was recovering them. But now it's led to this whole innovation with the kick. And I'd like to give the right call to everybody who was in charge of this whole process that made us experiment with onside kicks.

Crown Royal reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and moderate to stay in the game. Cross off team, Sal. Wait, how excited though? Well, we got to talk about that onside kick. How excited were you? It looked like he had his mitts on it. You were going to get it.

Right there. The Texans stopped playing with three minutes left. And I didn't know what... Kyle and I were enjoying it, but it all led to us getting sucked back into the game. And then the onside kick. They showed the replay and it wasn't as close as it seemed from the high angle. But yeah, these kicks now, these weird bounces, it's scary if you're the other team. That was bizarre.

The Patriots ran after calling timeouts and making the Texans punt. They ran two draw plays. I know. And they got yardage out of it, but it seemed like they were giving up too. Anyway. Don't understand it. Cross off teams. I have 14 and we're only through 13 weeks.

So usually the rule is we try to match it to the week. So here's everybody. If you want to uncross off somebody's, tell me. Bears, Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Bucks, Cards, Chargers, Dolphins, Falcons, Giants, Jets, Lions, Panthers, Redskins. That's right. I mean, you went through those those fast but i'm pretty sure that's right caroline is off right so we could uncross the bucks if we feel like nine and seven could get a six seed in the nfc they're fun i don't think so i don't i mean so that would say that minnesota going to lose tomorrow and then go one and three. We could also uncross off the Redskins.

If we feel like 79 can take the NFC East. Oh, stop. I joked about that, but yeah. Joked about it? Where's the joke? I have to say, no, what do they have? Well, they'd have to beat Dallas on the road. I'm too afraid to look at their schedule.

What do they have? Well, they'd have to beat Dallas on the road. I'm too afraid to look at their schedule. What do they have left? Listen, if the Eagles go 2-2 and Dallas goes 1-3 down the stretch, 7-9 is the NFC's champ. I don't know if we can cross off Washington. I mean, I'm sure they play the P. You have a terrible easy schedule, right? All the time? Have you played them yet? Did you beat them?

Should we bring back in the dog in here? All right, go ahead. It's over next week. I just realized who they play. It's over. So we don't need to show them. I'm going to send them back. Guys, go home. Go home, guys.

We don't need to. Yeah, they're at Green Bay. Give them a Diet Coke, get them out of here. At Packers, it's over. At Packers, home Philly, home Giants at Dallas. Yeah.

So I'm just- Those last three are toss-ups, but very surprised if Green Bay loses, still need to win. Well, just walk through this one with me. The Skins go into Green Bay

and win next week. The Eagles beat the Giants and they would go to six and seven. And then what would you have? You would have to definitely lose. Oh, you're at Chicago. That's losable. I just told you we could lose to Chicago.

We could lose to the Rams, win in Philly, and then win at home against the Redskins. And then we have the division. You know, I'm, I'm uncrossing the Redskins. All right,

fine. Leaving that one. Leaving ink or whatever you're using to do your crosses. Leaving that one open. Can I tell you, I know why you don't want it. Jameis, I think you hinted on it or you said something about it. You feel bad crossing Tampa Bay off because they're fun to watch. And I bet Jameis would throw a pick.

It hit five of the last six weeks. It just wasn't there. They were up 25-0. No thanks to him, really. He threw the pick. It hit the ground, I know. It just wasn't there. They were up 25 nothing. No thanks to him, really. He threw the pick. It hit the ground, I know. They reviewed it and they gave the interception back to him.

I know. That was a bad beat for me. But I do think, like, I think you said he was the second most exciting player to watch. Other than Lamar, yeah. I have him second. I'm trying to round out the five. I think Philly Rivers is in there for me. I think McCaffrey's in there and I think Henry is. I have him second. I'm trying to round out the five. I think Philly Rivers is in there for me. I think McCaffrey's in there, and I think Henry is. I think he is.

Rivers is like a minor league Jameis, except with all the... He's still screaming at everybody. But Rivers, Lamar, Jameis, Henry, McCaffrey. So Tampa's five and seven, and they lost that just insane Giants game in week three. Yeah. And then they lost the Seahawks game in OT that they never should have lost. Those are two never should have lost games.

And if they win both, they're seven and five. We do that every year with them though, right? Every single year. But they're kind of, they're the chargers of the NSC basically. Right. All right, we're going to do Guess the Lines. Hey, if you're worried about finding the perfect gift this holiday, and aren't we all worried about finding the perfect gift?

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This is a weird one. No, Bears favored by one. I had Cowboys by two and a half. It's the Cowboys by three. First of all, why did you make a condescending no when I thought the Bears should be favorite in this game? Your team's six and six. You've beaten nobody.

Who have you beaten? We never see anybody. These teams play at 100%. But what if they both played at 70%? Who's your money on? It's the Cowboys. I'm just going through your wins. Giants, Redskins, Dolphins, Eagles, Giants again,

and the terrible Lions team that you barely beat by eight. Those are your six wins. Why are you good? Why should you be favored in Chicago? Why? Because you're the Cowboys. The Broncos, the Redskins, they somehow beat the Vikings. Lions, Giants, Lions again. The Bears are not worse

or better than the Cowboys. You guys are the same level of mediocre. Well, you know what? I'm going there this week for Fox and I'm going to talk to the team. And that's why I think that'll be just enough to win. You're going this week? I'm going.

I'm doing a Thursday night game. Are you bringing Brad? Brad? No. Brad and Deep Dish in Chicago? No, I can't do that. That's too bad. Sunday marquee.

I rarely do this, but we have two. We have two marquee games. Yeah. And you could argue we have three, but I narrowed it to two. Saints at home against the 49ers. Mm-hmm.

A wonderful game. Yep. I think we're going to learn a lot about Drew Brees one way or another in this game. And I really liked what I saw from the Niners today, even though they didn't win. One of the things I liked about them, we didn't talk about this. They really went out of their way to punish Lamar. And we're totally fine with after knocking him out of bounds, flags and stuff like that.

They hit him out of bounds, what, three times they got called, but there were like two others where they could have been called. They really were trying to rough them up. And I don't know. It was, there was a bully mentality that I kind of enjoyed. And I think with the saints, I would assume they're going to be doing the same thing,

right? Cause the saints are a little bit more of a finesse team. I would assume they're going to be trying to bully ball them. I have, for sure. I have the saints by three. That's exactly what I had. And, uh, Vegas has a three and ball them. Yeah, for sure. I have the Saints by three. That's exactly what I had, and Vegas has it three and a half.

The other marquee game, Pats are home, playing the Chiefs. I think there's maybe two more marquee. Well, all right, go ahead. That's all right. I can't give Josh Allen the marquee spot. I'm sorry.

That's going to be an interesting game. Listen, I love that game, but that's not... You can't... Josh Allen has not earned marquee status. Oh, the other one's a night game. That's why. This is Brady Mahomes. The Pat's coming off a loss.

I have the Patriots favored by three and a half. I had three and a half. And then after the game, I said, this is going to be tough. Everyone and their brother is getting open against this defense. Chiefs are going to be good. They're going to have an easy time of it Sunday. I dropped it to three and it's three and a half.

It opened at three and a half and stayed at three and a half after that game. I don't understand that. It should be three and a half. So you get that. Hey, Sal, Pepsi takes all NFL celebrations to the next level, whether it's a Hail Mary touchdown, a defensive stop in the goal line, or a Super Bowl win. When it's time to celebrate, it's time to crack open a Pepsi.

What is your favorite historical NFL celebration after a touchdown of all time? Oh, I wasn't prepared for this. Yeah, I know. I wanted to get your off-the-cuff answer. Butch Johnson. I'm taking you back 40 years, but he would do the guns of blazing after a Cowboys touchdown reception. Oh, you remember Butch Johnson? Yeah. He would do the good. That was like a big thing. He would

shoot the pistols up in the air. And if you look at his catch against the Steelers, it didn't matter because they lost, but it is the worst. You think of what's... Look back. Butch Johnson touchdown catch and it is not a touchdown by any means, but he celebrated anyway. He dropped it right in the end zone right away

and they called a touchdown immediately. But anyway, Butch Johnson celebration. Butch would have been a good name for one of your kids. Yeah. I might change one of them. Archie Harrison and Butch. Archie Jack and Butch. If you have a fourth kid, think about Butch. Yeah. I might change one of them. Archie Harrison and Butch. Archie Jack and Butch. If you have a fourth kid, think about Butch. Okay. Pepsi, the official sponsor of the NFL, reminds you to always be celebrating. Okay. The watchables, we have three. First one's in Buffalo. Very excited for this. Every time Buffalo is a big home game, you can always count on some

announcer to breathlessly say it's the biggest home game in Buffalo in 20 years. I don't know why we do this. Buffalo's hosted playoff games. They've definitely had a lot of big games over the years. We always make it seem like they're this third world NFL country who never gets to host a good game. They've had good games.

Stop saying that. I agree. I have the Ravens by three. You know what? I had Ravens by three and a half. It's up to six. Oh! Now, I decreed that I'm never betting against the Ravens again until after, potentially after February 2020.

But this is a big, big line and a spot that they don't, again, again, don't necessarily have to win. So I noticed this with the Niners game. I thought that line should have been three or three and a half, probably three and a half, maybe an extra half point for Garoppolo. I did not bet on it because I have Lamar on every fantasy team and I don't like betting against Lamar. It felt like they, what did the line settle at?

Five and a half? Yeah, five and a half. It just felt like it was two points because everybody loves Lamar. Right. It was like the two-point lamar cushion and it opened it for monday night before they even played the rams yeah the the spread against the niners was four and then jumped up to six and settled at five and a half so now it seems like it's a two and a half point lamar cushion because this line should be three and a half well Well, they're sick of losing money. What are they going to do? Everyone's betting the Ravens. What was it the week before they were favored by

three against the Rams? They crushed out. Yeah, when I had that game and then you talked me into hedging it with the Rams. I'm sorry. I know. That's bad. And then I had another huge parlay today. 12 to one odds. The last piece was the Pats and I didn't hedge it.

I went the other way. I should have talked you out of that. You weren't going to listen though. You were on a roll. You had a good week anyway. So I was like, you're picking winners left and right. Why the hell shouldn't the Patriots beat the Texans? The Pats doused me, doused my flames.

Tampa. Wow. Two of my favorite teams. I put this in the watchables because I love both of these teams. The Bucs, home for the Colts. Oh, what are you going to do? Oh, man. You know what I'm doing?

I'm going to bet on the Bucs. Without TY, the Colts, they just, and then Marlon Mack too, and Brissette on one leg. People are treating the Colts like it's the same team from six weeks ago, and it's just not. And until they start getting healthier, I think I, I have the bucks. I don't think this is what the line will be, but I have the bucks favored by two and a half just because I couldn't not do that, but I'm probably wrong. Well, you could have said

three. You would have been right. That's what I did. So it's three. Oh man. I thought it was going to be lower than three. I will say defense say defense travels, though. And you know this. You've seen the Colts, and that's why you like them. Because the defense steps it up. Yeah, but you can run on the Colts, though. Oh, I got to bet that Jameis interception again. I can't wait. I can't wait.

I show up. It's a great day. When it doesn't happen, I get very upset. It's like load management is going on or something. And I'm not seeing my favorite player. Well, you know what's really happening here. I can almost hear the Ringer social team cutting this out and turning this into a 50-second clip on Twitter.

It's the Jameis contract run is what's really happening here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They have a big decision to make heading into the offseason. Is Jameis the guy? He's been really kind of explosive at times. Interceptions have been well-documented, but they put up a lot of points.

The offense is getting better each week. And at some point, they're going to have to look in the mirror and decide whether they want to give him more money. What will be more interesting is if they decide not to and there will be some other team talking themselves into Jameis. And then

he goes to a new city and a whole new fan base gets to ride the Jameis rollercoaster. He's going to be a Patriot. And then all of a sudden the scattered play won't seem so cute to you. Kyle actually, in a very dark moment tonight, looked over to me and asked, is this what the next 20 years are going to be like? Yeah. And I didn't have an answer for him. I just looked sadly to the ground. When Jameis is our QB next year. Yep.

You better triple up on those Bloody Marys, Kyle. We can't generate any offense, but Brady is regenerating hair at the likes I've never seen in my life. And different colors too. Yeah. He has his main right now. It is a Michael Landon Little House on the Prairie

level like hairdo he's got I don't know what's going on yeah in fact I'm not allowed to talk about it

all the Patriot fans have made a pact we're not going to talk about Brady Serr why can't you talk about it we can't talk about Brady Serr no we just we don't want to talk about it

it's John Stamos all of a sudden John Stamos it's crazy Brady Serr versus Stamos all of a sudden. John Stamos. It's crazy. Brady's hair versus Stamos' hair. You should do that against all odds. That would be great. If whatever drug he's using to make his hair lush and thick, that doesn't jive with the NFL standards.

If that does him in, that would be the best. And it's dark. His hair's dark now. What's he doing? I don't know. This is what happens when you marry supermodels. Titans are at Oakland. Oakland,

a team that has six wins, but I feel like they've been blown out nine times. I don't understand how they're six and six. So they were six and four going to the Jets. They could have been seven and four. A lot of these games wouldn't have mattered. They would have been seven and four. Now they're 6-6. Well, their season's going to officially end next week

because the Titans... I think the Titans are really good. I keep saying this on the podcast. This is a projected cross-off, you're saying. Yeah. Did we cross off the Bears yet? No, they're alive because they're going to beat your team this week. Okay, all right.

But those two, they're in the queue. Oh, no, we crossed off the Bears. We no, we crossed, we crossed off the bears. Should I do it? Do we have to uncross them? No, no, they suck. Unless they get to the NFC somehow.

I don't think they're going to do it. The best part is the bears fans on Thanksgiving, just flipping out about Nagy and Trubisky. And then Trubisky actually made a couple of big plays and they pull out this game. That was the best game of the day. It was. I was like, I'm not even going to watch half of it. It was a great game. They pull out this game against this Lions team that had like nobody.

Yep. It was a third string QB. It was a bunch of random dudes on defense. Coach is about to be fired. That was amazing. I have the Titans favored by two and a half in Oakland. You get this. I went

the other way. I said Oakland by one. I was bad this game. It's Titans by three. I was going to bet that before it got to three, but oh well. What is with the Raiders? Their defense is awful. That's what's with the Raiders. They have a terrible defense. They, you know. Their defense is awful. That's, that's what's with the Raiders.

They have a terrible defense. And then they would have one touchdown and yeah, but they only scored one touchdown in two weeks against the Jets and the Chiefs. Like they should score

against the Chiefs, shouldn't they? I think teams have figured out that car, something that drove us crazy in that London game that we lost. That car just doesn't

throw the ball downfield. At some point, everybody's watching these tapes and be like, oh, yeah, that guy never throws the ball more than three yards. Yeah. Yeah, and you had to do that. Well, how about hand it off?

They weren't down by 21 in the first quarter. They were down 7-0. And I think, like Jacob said, close to 100 yards in the first half. How about that's your play? Keep the Chiefs honest. I have to say, though, I think overall, I think Andy Reid is just like, you know what? Screw you, Chucky.

You can go play for your wild card. This is our division. We're winning this. You're not beating us at home. Although I will say, like, Mahomes looks like some of these passes that everybody's going crazy about. It's very Brett Favre, Minnesota Vikings era. I'm getting the feel.

These could go either way, a lot of these passes, right? I agree. I think he's been erratic and, and I'll be interested to see how he does against the Pat secondary

next week because that'll be the first, you know, right. First, they've had some, when was the last hard,

hard game they've had where he's been in? Baltimore? I'm trying to think. Well, they lost to the Texans. I mean, this is

the first yeah I guess the back wins they've had since September so the barely watchables will rip through these because I want to talk about the Irishman mmm Packers home for the Redskins by the way we're doing a three hour and 40 minute recap of the Irishman so settle in yeah yeah people. Yeah. People are already lecturing,

including Sean fantasy, lecturing other people about saying the Irishman was too long. We'll get to it. It's like, guess what? The Irishman was too long. We'll talk about it after. I have the Packers by 11 over Washington.

I said 12 and a half. It's 14 and a half. That's too high. The Redskins aren't, that's too high. Cause the Redskins, you don't care about these college conference championship games.

We're going to make a nice money line parlay. We're going to put the Packers in there. We're going to put Clemson, all these big favorites. LSU. You'll see. You'll be done. You'll just need the Green Bay on Sunday. It'll be a nice thing to wake up to. I saw the Auburn-Alabama. It's fun. They didn't play any defense

for some reason, but that was a fun game. The problem with college football is you have to pencil in like four straight hours. Yeah. It's 48-45. It's like the entire Saturday. Right. I have stuff I'd rather be doing, like play Fortnite.

You could watch the Irishman. Or watch the Irishman over and over again. The Jets are home for the Dolphins. I have this down as a Jets minus three. I know I'm wrong, but I just, out of principle, could not favor the Jets by more than three. You should try to win the game. Don't worry about your principle.

I said five. It's six. Well, I was happily willing to sacrifice that game. I wanted to make a point. Damoshek started Sam Darnold over to Sean Watson. This person is, D damn sheck's paid to go in the nfl network and pretend he knows something about football unbelievable fun because i ended up 10 and 3 how do you not get a buy at 10 and 3 i'm the three seed and i'm going

to play his sorry ass team he's five and eight as a six seed and he's going to beat me it's going to be beckham's because i I cried about his trade being illegal and his guy that he got Beckham or James White. He got the two best guys in a five player deal. They're going to go nuts next week. I'm nine and four. I'm also in a wild card game. Yeah, you're a four seed, right? Yeah, I have

this whole Bucks receiver thing is going to be the death of my team because I have to start Godwin and Evans every week, right? I can't bench either of them. And yet, there are weeks like this week where they had taken early lead and they're just not throwing the ball at all

and I get 10 points total out of them. You need to win. You have Lamar. Lamar has the Jets in two weeks, so you need to get that far. It lines up pretty nicely for me. Texans-Broncos. This game's in Houston.

And I have the Texans favored by eight. We're going to split this. I said seven. It's seven and a half. What'd you think of the new Broncos quarterback? It was fine.

He's okay. He didn't have a... He had two touchdowns, but like 150 yards or something, right? I love how the line moved because he became the QB. Like Allen number three was a huge loss for the Broncos.

Right. It's like, what's going on? It's like when the Steelers went from Rudolph to Duck Hodges, they couldn't get that line out fast enough. They're like, oh, that's fine. We're good. We'll make a line. Right.

Speaking of what the hell is going on, the Jaguars are home. There's now a controversy between poor Nick Foles, who anytime the QB has the broken collarbone and they bring him back, it always seems like they bring him back three weeks too early. It's probably what happened with Nick Foles. Now there's a little Minshew mania.

They're playing the Chargers. And this normally would be a poop-fected game, but I had to put this in the barely watchables because there's a 100% chance this game will come down in the final two minutes and something absolutely ludicrous happening right? Right. So I have the Jags minus two.

It hurt my head to try to think of a line here. I think you're going to be oh no I'm closer I said pick I said to pick them the Chargers are favored by two and a half am I closer? Yeah I'm closer. Yeah you're going to be... Oh, no, I'm closer. I said pick. I said to pick them. The Chargers are favored by two and a half. Am I closer? Yeah, I'm closer. Yeah, you're closer.

I don't know how the Chargers are favored. Chargers, four and eight, still getting respect. Like they're an 11-win team or something. Well, let me ask you. Let me say this. They're not really getting respect. Which game would you rather watch? Vikings at Chargers or Bills at Steelers?

Bills at Steelers. Bills at Steelers. Really? That's what NBC did. That's a week 15 game. They flexed Vikings Chargers out and they put Bills Steelers in there. Really? You'd rather see that? Oh, yeah. We love watching Rivers blow up. I'm good with Rivers.

Alright. I'm good with him snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat or vice versa. What does he do? He snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, one of those two. Somebody's jaws are getting pried open by Rivers.

Speaking of the Steelers, they are in Arizona, and I have them favored by one and a half over the Cardinals. You got that exactly? I said four. I don't know why. I just, you know. I think I oversold that Rams win today. They beat them five times in a row. They've scored 30 points

in each game at least and held them to 10. They just own Arizona. Kyler Murray being game time decision, all that was weird. The fact that the Cardinals suddenly have three running backs is weird. Really only need one running back? The poop fact that let's blow through these

Falcons-Panthers in Atlanta. I have the Falcons favored by one. Alright, you get it. I said three. I thought it would be a little higher. I'm really, really down on the Panthers after blowing a 14-3 lead to House's Redskins. Why did I have this vague feeling

you might have had money on that game? Well, I was so excited too. 14-3. And I started Kyle Allen over Brady in a fantasy league. I'm like, I am smart. This team is good. And I was dumb and that team was bad. There was a great moment near the end of that game.

They didn't show a lot of it on the red zone. And again, thanks to everybody at the red zone for not showing a lot of it. Yeah. But they get, they're down eight and they drive all the way down, almost get a lot of it yeah but they get they're down eight and they drive all the way down almost get a touchdown it's like first and goal from the two stuff incompletion stuff i forget what the sequence but now it's fourth and goal alan number two goes backwards and again he goes backwards and then he's still going backwards

and then he just gets sacked on the 30. It was like a minus 28 for their last play that basically knocked them out of the playoffs. So if you start, if you take the snap in the red zone but you backpedal so far that you're almost at midfield, the channel could go blank, right? The red zone, yeah.

It immediately switches. Yeah, once you're out of the red zone. Right. Browns home for the Bengals, who have been rejuvenated by Andy Dalton. And I like that they went back to him. I do too. It's embarrassing when you have somebody who's clearly better than the other guy

and you're not playing him. Well, unless you're tanking, unless you're like six NBA teams right now, no offense at attacking, but no, it's nice. Bengals try. As we've seen this year, though, you can't really tank in football. It's too violent of a sport. Right.

You can't half-ass a football game. You could put that guy Finley in every week, and that'll help, but I know what you're saying. Browns, I have, this is the dumbest line of the week. I have the Browns favored by seven and a half. I had that too. I had exactly seven and a half. It's eight and a half. That's an even dumber line. How have the Browns favored by 7.5. I had that too. I had exactly 7.5. It's 8.5. That's an even

dumber line. How about the Browns? Rosillo had a good tweet today about... Yeah, I saw that. You do the Pittsburgh T-shirts and you do all that stuff and then you lose to a third string quarterback. Just shut up. Nobody wants to hear... Rosillo was like,

nobody wants to hear from you again this season. I totally agree. Let's stop covering the Browns. We're done. I think we're covering them with chocolate icing because I really don't know what happened to Baker. And as a fat guy myself, I feel I could say that. He really does look... Brother Bryce said he looked like he had his rib pads still on. So you think Baker is just gaining weight? I don't know. He doesn't, you know, he used to scramble for first downs a little bit.

Now he's waddling for two yard gains. My God. He's going to attack us now. Baker goes after people who attack him. I'm not fat. I weigh the same I weighed before the year. Right, right. That's what he should focus on. How much do you weigh? I've seen you. You look like you could lose some weight. He's going to do that

whole thing. Don't come at us, Baker. Baker and Booger in the same year would be too much for me to handle. If Booger just blocked you a second time. Booger. That Monday Night Booger Lamar thing was just hilarious. Yeah.

The whole time, the elephant in the room of him saying two years ago pretty adamantly that Lamar should be a wide receiver. Right. And then he's like, man, look at this guy. He is unbelievable.

He's changing the game. No, there's 50 good booger moments a week. And Tess, Tess, because every game that he announces, it sounds like he's doing Friday Night Smackdown. When there's an actual real game

that is like a genuinely great moment, he's announcing it the same way he would announce like a Cardinals-Bengals game. Right, yeah. He needs to shift gears in the car, would be my advice to Tess. Can't be fifth gear

for every game. Right. Yeah, I think he's surprised when they have a good game. And there's Andy Dalton touchdown! They've cut it to 10! And then Lamar throws five TDs and it's like,

alright, this is a moment. This is something I think Joe Buck has done a really good job at mastering over the years, is when he gets excited, you know something exciting is happening. Yeah, temper it otherwise. When Tess gets excited, that just means human beings were moving. Right. Well, maybe he's trying to wake Booger up.

I don't know. Yeah, that's right. That's right, Tess. They cut it to 10, and 10 is better than 11 because 10, you can get a touchdown and a field goal. 11, you need a touchdown two-point conversion to field goal to tie. Thanks.

He just blocked you again. Vikings are home. They're playing the Lions. I don't care. Vikings by 13. You're going to get this. I think we're tied now. I said 11.

It's 14. 3, 6, 8 to 3, 6. Do I have 9? 3, 4, 5, 6. I have 9? 3-4-5-6 I have 9, you have 8, 2 games left Well I hit this one exact Sunday night, Rams at home for the Seahawks I have the Rams by 1.5

I had the Rams by 2 This is going to surprise you You get this, it's Seattle by 2.5 What the hell is that? They played each other. They lost because Zerline kicked it over the crossbar there, over the upright. Who knows if it was in or not. Yeah, these division

games, either somebody owns the other team or it's like just it's going to come down to the wire. And it seems like there's no in between with the division games. Yep. Well, so I picked this one exactly right. So the best you're going to do is a tie here. Monday night. Eagles at home.

Playing the Giants. I have the Eagles by nine. You messed up. It's eight. What did you have? I had eight. I told you I had that one exactly. Yeah.

Like the only one I had. You beat me. That's a win for Sal. What a pass by Daniel Jones to Sterling Shepard. And the Giants have cut it to 22. With three minutes left. Keep going. He's not awake.

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My friend, our friend Don Barris is there. He warms up Jimmy Kimmel live. His girlfriend, my friend, Ken Harry's Harry's Ken's Butler. We have a lot of misfits. We have a lot of family. And then we have my immediate family there. So the kids are running around Archie. My oldest is watching football with us.

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I'm thankful for my parents and my family, my friends. So that hurts him to even say that. And then he eats and he's like, can I go up? Can I go play on my iPad again? I'm like, yeah, fine, whatever. Just do it. We don't want you throwing a fit. That's fine.

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he's playing to the crowd. He's not even using the words on the screen. He's doing TNT. And then if that wasn't enough, he follows it up with what's the NWA song there? California Love. What? California Love and TNT. it up with what's it uh what's the nwa song there um california love what california love and tnt

and he's going crazy and he's talking like like he really like feels the lyrics yeah um you know he's talking about uh we in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hempy and uh you know diamond shining looking like I robbed Liberace and he knows it in the good old city, city of good old Watts. He's really looking at us and feeling the music. And then he's done. And then he drops the mic like Chappelle and walks off.

And that's it. We didn't see him the rest of the night. So there you go. Tell America how old Jack is. He's 12 in February. That's fantastic. Who knew? ACDC. ACDC, yeah. TNT.

Is there video of this or no? Oh, yeah, yeah. I can get it. My mother posted it. You might have to put that on Instagram. So, my son who turned 12 earlier this month, he's just been a dick lately. He's just a dick.

Kyle, how much of a dick is he? It's so bad. It's so bad. I hate him. He's just a dick. But can get away with it with my wife because as you know, the mother-son bond is just unbreakable.

Right. And there could be 92 straight offenses and then three minutes of hugging or just affection for the mom and all is forgotten. If our judicial system worked like motherhood with sons, everyone would just get out of prison immediately. So we've come,

I think Zoe came up with this term, but when Ben is like just being a dick, we call it menstruating. He's menstruating. So there's been a lot of menstruating lately. And on Thursday night, he was just such a dick and just the whole day. And he was just a huge pain in the ass. And then at the end of the day, my wife was mad at me. And she's like, I'm like, what are you mad at me? What did I do? She's like, you know, he acts like a dick, and then you don't step in, and then I have to be the bad guy, and now I'm getting blamed. So I go talk to Ben, and I'm like, look, you got to stop being a dick to your mom. Like this is

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All right. So now, I carved out five to 10 minutes here for The Irishman. Okay. It's on Netflix. It's three hours and 20 something minutes long. It is the, I guess you could call it the trilogy almost. The De Niro, Scorsese, Pesci trilogy. Pacino gets added in.

This feels like five decades of movies. The natural finish line of all of these people together. People were surprised how much they liked this movie. I thought it was fine. That's my review. You thought it was fine? I thought it was fine. I could have shaved out 45 minutes.

It would have taken me probably one day in the edit room. Right. Just be like, hey, maybe that scene when he goes to pick up Pacino, but then they drives by him. Then he goes to the house. Then he drives by. Maybe you could have cut like two of those scenes,

but maybe when he's flying, flying and then he lands in the plane, maybe, maybe we could just say he got to Detroit and we, yeah, we know how people get places. Yeah. It was a rough cut. That was my take get places, yeah. It was a rough cut.

That was my take on The Irishman. It was a rough cut. I agree, and I think Netflix is to blame because they're like, yeah, go ahead, Scorsese. Do whatever you want. You have no limit. I know it was in the theater for a minute, but yeah, we'll let it go.

Let it breathe. Let it be as long as you want it to be. And you can't do that with him. He needs guidelines. He's like, you know, if you put a ton of food in front of a dog, it's just going to keep eating until it gets sick, right? So you have to kind of tell him, no, let's get this. Let's chalk this at 220 or 230.

I felt they easily, easily could have lopped off an hour of that and it wouldn't have affected any of the plot points or storylines. I really do. I was thinking, what the hell was cut? Because you know they cut some scenes. Every movie cuts a scene. What did they cut if they left that in? It turns out nothing. Not one scene was cut. But I felt bad. So Pacino, Pesci, De Niro,

they're probably on my Mount Rushmore. Yeah, me too. Right? Along with the guy who played Kaneki in Grease. He's number four. So it has to be a C+, at least, right?

That's the bottom. I think it only climbed to a B-, and for those reasons, I think it was too much overkill. You can't pick... As the viewer, you shouldn't have to pick out the movie like yeah these were my favorite parts and that made up a good two hours like eventually something's gonna be too long where it's gonna turn you off right yeah i have a few

thoughts you know i i think it's like seeing a band after the band's prime. Like if you saw U2 tomorrow and they had a three hour concert, it wouldn't be as good as vintage U2. Everybody would know that. But if the concert was really good, like, man, those guys were still bringing it. That was cool.

And I think that was everybody's reaction with the Irishman. It was cool that these guys could still bring it. Right. But when people start throwing around that, this was like a great movie, that's where I'm like, I hate to be the throw the water on everything person because I try not to do that. But I just watched Godfather 2

because we're doing rewatchables about that in a couple of weeks. And that's a movie that's three hours and 15 minutes. And that's probably the best movie of all time. If it's not, it's one of the best three or four movies of all time. So I was coming off the experience of watching that movie and then watching this and like just how many wasted minutes and scenes that could have been half the whatever. And the performances were, you know, for this stage of these guys' lives and careers, the

performances were good. They weren't like Pacino and Godfather 2. Like, I think there's a chance the Irishman might win the Oscar. And I think it's insane. Wow. Yeah. And I think it's just because people like Scorsese and they like Pacino and like De Niro and they think it's really cool that at this point of their lives, they could

make a really watchable movie. But first of all, it didn't need to be three hours and 20 minutes. And if we're doing it by the Netflix binge watch model, that's fine. It should have been a four-part miniseries. Then I get it. Right. But they tried to position it like this was a movie and then people have talked themselves into it.

And it's too long. It just is back and forth between pacino and denaro like when he has to i guess we could talk about it right i mean we are talking should we do this but yeah well from here on in we'll do spoilers and if people haven't seen yet they can just uh so i mean he has to explain to pacino uh who's jimmy hafa that the big guys are coming after him just Just play ball. Right. That's basically it. That's for an hour and a half. That's the thing like, hey, you're upsetting the apple card here. Just be good. You'll get your job. You'll get your position. But just do it. You know,

just don't freak out. You know, you're doing things the wrong way. All right. That conversation happened seven times. Seven. I mean, we could do two rounds of that we don't need to hey you got to tell your boy you got to tell him to behave himself all right if he'll listen to anyone he'll listen to you you know how many times do we have to see that it's great it ended up being but like you said it's like it was good seeing them together like i like it was kind of it was kind of fitting that they released it on thanksgiving weekend because it was like relatives on thanksgiving it's like it's good seeing them but then an hour four it was like relatives on Thanksgiving. It's like, it's good seeing them. But then an hour four, it's like, all right, hurry up with the pecan pie.

I think Uber's here. It's getting late. Irishman, I think your Uber's here. No, no, no. It's here. You have to go. Oh my God. And that like, and the only other thing I'll say is I think it should have been made 10

years ago. Oh, 10? How about 15? What about... I mean... Well, one was Casino. So this is after... Casino was what year?

Casino is 95, which I just watched, which, by the way, is far superior to this movie as well. Okay, sure, of course. So if they do it in 2005, let's say 14 years ago, at some point, these guys are too old. Like, De Niro's 76 years old, and he's stomping a shopkeeper on the curb. He's curb stomping. It's like, I guys are too old. Like, De Niro's 76 years old and he's stomping a shopkeeper on the curb.

He's curb stomping. It's like, I'm not buying it. I'm just not doing it. Listen. And you're staring at him and the eyebrows are just too fake. I don't know.

At some point, it's just, you can't do it. I know special effects are great and everything, but I just didn't buy a lot of it. If you shoot this in 2005, it's maybe a different story.

Listen, the stomping scene invalidates this movie from winning a Best Movie Oscar. Right, exactly. That is one of the worst scenes I've ever seen in a movie that will get nominated for an Oscar. I can't believe, if you have all this money for CGI, can you CGI him so he doesn't look like a 130-pound man stomping? He can barely stand. and the guy's like oh ah oh like denaro's like he needs a fucking walker the hell is going again i want to see the takes that didn't make it like did he fall off the curb was he what was he doing did he lose his balance

and then uh we didn't talk about the de-aging stuff and now i know it probably looks better in the theater but i can only judge it by Netflix, which I watched it on. I really had a problem with it. I thought it was disorienting. I thought the guys looked like really old guys who had gotten incredibly good Botox.

But they still seemed really old. And Pacino's hair looked like the Giants should have been playing on it on a Sunday night. What was going on with that? Actually, they might have been Jimmy Hoffa supposed to be buried in Giants Stadium. They might have actually been doing that. And Pacino is just in Scent of a Woman mode the whole time, right?

Oh, yeah. We got to get out there with the Teamsters. And he's just dialing it up. I feel like his last five movies have been like that, but fine. Well, no, but his last five, his last 15. But in this one, everybody's like, Al Pacino, wow. He's really good. I'm like, really?

Because I just watched Godfather 2. He's like a thousand times better than that movie. What are you guys talking about? Right. And then the whole movie hinges on, I have to like this De Niro character, right? Ostensibly that he's the hero of the movie, even though he's not a great guy, but I have to talk myself into, you know, at some point I have to feel bad as he's growing old and he has nobody in his life and you're supposed to feel bad for him or have some sort of emotion.

I was just like, eh, all right. Guy was a murderer. His family didn't like him. He died alone. Did that need to be a half hour? Yeah. It also didn't have to end when it ended. That was the other thing. Aside from dragging out the meat of the story, it just, okay, we need to see him in the nursing home. Do we need to see everyone in the nursing home die too? Like we get what happens to human beings. That's it. They expire. Well, then we wouldn't get the wheelchair bocce scene.

Yeah. Well, okay. That was big. Maybe put that at the beginning. I mean, there's a wheelchair bocce scene. At some point, somebody had to be like, hey, Marty, are you sure this shouldn't be like 225? But all the film nerds are going nuts for it.

And I will say that what what i so let's go positive what i loved about it was it had these scorsese touches that just made me really nostalgic to his other movies for sure you know and like even the scene where they're it start the first 20 minutes i thought were excellent um i can't even remember. It was so many years ago. The four of them in the car with the wives in the back and they want to smoke two minutes in. And it just had all those little Scorsese things. And that one assassination scene with the slow-mo of all the people in the crowd reacting to it.

And there's 12, 13 moments. The climactic scene at the end when Pacino reacting to it. And there's 12, 13 moments. The climactic scene at the end when Pacino finally gets it, I thought that was really well done. It took a 20-minute setup that probably could have been done in seven minutes. But the other thing with this movie that I thought was bizarre

was this was this one guy's account who claimed to kill Jimmy, to have killed Jimmy Hoffa. Yeah. But it's been debunked like seven different ways. Like nobody actually believes this is what happened to Jimmy Hoffa. Yeah. So it's like,

it's like this JFK Oliver Stone situation where this movie now exists that people are like, Oh, this is how Jimmy Hoffa died. It's like, no, this was this guy in his deathbed who claimed this is what happened. And nobody actually thinks this happened. Yeah. I don't know why. I think I'm just accustomed to everyone botching

or making up their own endings or making up stories. Bohemian Rhapsody, Frank Mercury didn't have AIDS at Live Aid, right? You could take such creative license now it didn't it doesn't really matter anymore that part of it i loved having uh pesci back i really missed him i thought he was excellent i thought out of the three i thought he was the best one i thought and why because he stayed within himself you know he yeah he did the calm version of himself he wasn't um you know he wasn't what's his name from from from good fellas. He wasn't stomping guys to death. Hey, do you remember that scene when he told Denary had to take care of the Jimmy thing? Wait a minute. Let me think back. Uh, and why? Because he'll listen to him, right? Even though we didn't listen to him the first six times, the people upstairs,

they, they, but in one of the seven times that they had that conversation, I thought he was really good. Right. But look, I'm glad the movie existed. I'm glad it was made. I think it was really cool that everybody got back together and did this kind of reunion movie. But if it wins the Oscar, that's insane. I think it was as overhyped the movie as we could. And this is not a knock against it. This is maybe why this is a problem.

When did we start hearing about this movie? Like a year ago? Yeah. I'm like, oh my God, this is going to be the best. But we hadn't knock against it. This is maybe why this is a problem. When did we start hearing about this movie? Like a year ago? Yeah. I'm like, Oh my God, this is going to be the best. And then, but we hadn't thought about it.

Like, why should this be the best? These guys are, you know, they're playing out the string here, but there was, it was good to see them together. That's all.

Yeah. But I just watched casino like two weeks ago. So great. Come on. I mean, you talk about rewatchables. I'll never watch this again, right? I don't have time.

I'll have to retire to watch it, but I wouldn't watch it again. Would you? There's a couple stretches that I liked. Yeah. I thought the first 20 minutes were really good. And I liked the whole stretch leading up to Pacino getting killed, even though it took forever.

But, you know, it was so methodical. It actually was, I don't know, I kind of understood what he was doing. But ultimately, one of the things I didn't get was why did Anna Paquin just kind of instinctively know that her father was a horrible person? Yeah, that was weird too. She had just ESP with her dad.

Why did she take a liking to Jimmy Hoffa, but not Pesci? Like, why does she love that guy? They're basically the same kind of guy. But she loves Pacino, but not Pesci's character. Very strange movie. See, so there wasn't like the signature

incredible scene, was there? No, I didn't think so. I thought Pesci was really good. I'm just glad I got to watch guys in wheelchair play bocce. I give it a B or a B+. All right. I gave it a B-. But again, a lot of the hype figures

into that. I felt like nothing was hyped more than this movie, so I was left a little disappointed. I'll tell you this, though. I don't want to be lectured for thinking that movie was too long. Because if you go over two and a half hours, you got to have a really good reason in a movie. Yeah. People have shit to do.

What's going on? I just think it was a miniseries and they didn't want to admit it was a miniseries. So now they're like, no, no, it's a movie. And it's like, nah, it's a four-part miniseries. There was a meme going around

about how to split it up to watch the four parts, like it's a four-part TV show. And it was the exact time. It's like after 49 minutes, that's the end of episode one and so on and so on. But they absolutely had to release it this weekend because you could jump around. That was the smartest thing about it, right? If they release this, I don't know, in February, I don't know if I have four hours, but because it was a long

weekend, it was good work by Netflix. And I'm sure a ton of people watch it. I'd like to have a De Niro, Pacino, and Pesci and Scorsese back in my life. And I'm glad the movie exists. But if it wins the Oscar, that's ridiculous. Sal, what do you got to put? What do I have? Oh,

Against All Odds, we're doing it Tuesday. We're going over six games, the conference championship games. We're going to hit them all. Big NFL games as well. And I am in Chicago Thursday night doing a bit for the pregame show. I'll be live on the field also for the pregame show. And I won Lockett in. I want to ask you real quick.

I didn't bring it with me. Shit. I get a free futures bet. Lockett in is 430 to 530 Eastern on FS with me. Shit. I get a free futures bet. Locking in is 430 to 530 Eastern on FS1 Monday through Friday. I get a free futures bet. The Mavericks, I know you're all over them. Everyone's all over

them. To win that division, plus 250 was plus 320 before the game tonight, before they beat the Lakers. Now they beat the Lakers. I'm getting the worst part of the number. Plus 250. They're tied with Houston now. Do'm getting the worst part of the number. Plus 250. They're tied with Houston now. Do you like that?

I like the one we talked about this weekend that I'm not allowed to bet on. Oh, what was it? Ben Simmons for defensive player of the year. 33 to 1. I can't waste that much. That's a lot. That's too risky? Huh?

That's too much of a long shot? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I could go with Clippers at 3-1 to win the whole thing. I kind of like this Dallas thing, but... I think the Dallas thing... The problem is Houston's really good. Yeah, shit. He's going to score 60 a night now for a while.

I've been pretty on this Dallas thing as you and House can attest. Sure. I do think when they're playing against anybody that's lazy defensively, they're probably going

to win the game because of how ridiculous they are offensively. But I don't, you know, they're so Luka dependent. Yeah. So what is it?

Plus 280? Plus 250 to win the division. They're tied for the division right now. Yeah, do it. That's fair. They could go toe-to-toe with Houston.

Offensively, they're the best team in the league by far right now. All right, I think I'll do that. And you are dialed in with them because you bet against them, too, this week, and you won. You had the Clippers. Well, I watch them as much as I watch the Celtics, so I feel like I have a good feel for what's going on with them. They're fun to root for, either way.

The other one, we have a bunch of Philly bets. And that team's just a rollercoaster ride. I wish I could sell our bets from now. I don't want any money on the Sixers. That team's a nightmare. They're like a football team they win games with their defense not with their offense

their half-court offense is like watching an AYSO game or something it's unbelievable they have Embiid 28 feet from the basket Horford's 30 feet from the basket they have no point guard it's a weirdo team alright if anyone wants to buy Bill's bet,

I don't know how we're going to do it. They're plus 650 to win the championship. They're not winning the championship. 225 to win the East. You don't like anything else? No, they're not winning the championship. I would say the upside team right now,

what are the Celtics' odds for the East? For the East, they're plus 650. Because when Hayward comes back, I think they're going to be really good. So, tuck that one away.

Hayward comes back in like four weeks. I might wait on that. Yeah, wait on that. Sal, as always, good job by you. Good job by you, Billy. Thanks to State Farm. Thanks to CarMax. Thanks to Pepsi.

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