The Bill Simmons Podcast - Patriots Victory Party No. 6 With a Bored and Horrified Cousin Sal | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 478)

Episode Date: February 4, 2019

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the prop-bet-busting Super Bowl performance by the Patriots and the Rams, the national anthem run-time controversy, questions surrounding Todd Gurley, some Patriots apologies by Bill, Parent Corner, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, it's Sunday night, West Coast time, 8.52 p.m. The New England Patriots have won their sixth Super Bowl. Nephew Kyle is drained. He's smelling it all in. I don't know what he was just doing in the backyard for the last 50 minutes. I'm not going to judge him. He's very excited. I don't know why he doesn't have a beverage.

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We're now within 10 weeks of taxes. Get TurboTax live with CPAs and EAs on demand. See details at TurboTax.com. We're also brought to you by the world's greatest website, TheRinger.com, where we wrote about the Super Bowl all week, and we are writing about it tonight and tomorrow morning as we try to figure out what happens next. What do we do after one of the most exciting Super Bowls ever? God, that was just exhilarating. What happens next? What do we do after one of the most exciting Superbowls ever? God,

that was just exhilarating. Uh, what happens now? Do the Patriots do it again? Can the Rams put it together? I'm sure we'll be covering that all week. We got free agency in the draft coming up. We have the ringer NFL show.

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So be ready for that one coming up. It's sad for the last time, 13 years in the books, me and the cuz wrapping it up. I'm sure he's going to be depressed for a variety of reasons. First, somebody who does not depress me, our friends from Pearl Jam. Kyle, give it a little extra this time. Let's play like five, six more seconds of the Pearl Jam this time. You got it. Let's let it go a little bit longer. Yeah. All right. Pearl Jam. Let's let it go a little bit longer.

Yeah. Yeah. Great. The cuz is on the line. Other than the Rams fans, probably the most discouraged person out there. You just did not enjoy the Super Bowl. You don't like coming on after the Pats winning the Super Bowl. I didn't like it. I thought I protected myself a little bit because I didn't want the threefer.

I didn't want the season to end, which always makes me sad, the Pats to win, and for me not to win money. So I did bet on the Patriots. I actually thought they were better anyway. So one for three, and congratulations. I mean, this is the sweetest of all for you, right? Yeah, I mean, it was the most exciting exhilarating ending we've had yeah it was weird it was just an ugly game and all of a sudden it

was the fourth quarter and then the pats made a couple plays and cooks dropped on and got through a bad pass and then a couple first downs and then the game's over i don't know what to say so it was yeah i don't know what i mean i was thinking about i was like these two nobody deserves a parade uh everybody deserves fast food at the white house if that um i don't know what to take from this brady early on looked like he was bored he looked like he just they i feel like they tanked the first quarter of these games of patriots he looked like he didn't they didn't care if they scored or if they scored three or anything what they they have. The first thing I thought about was the third and eight. They took a timeout, and then they ran it up the gut. And I think Michelle was stopped, and they punted.

Just weird stuff the whole game. Yeah. I got to say, I got to give credit to the defenses. I thought that Pat's defense, that was the best they've ever played in the Super Bowl. 2002 was really good for three plus quarters. Then as the fourth quarter went on, they kind of died. This Pats defense never died. They made a bunch of big plays.

Pass rush was there the whole time. I have a lot of people to apologize to later in the podcast. I thought the Rams defense was good too. Just as a Pats fan, they kept going to Edelman over and over and over and over and over and over again. The running game was okay. Devlin had to come out really quickly because it became clear

that the Rams were just loading up on that. Hogan was never open the whole game. I mean, it was, Hinch and I were sending angry texts to each other back and forth. And I was saying, I thought Hogan was the Gordon Hayward of this Patriots playoff run. He just could not get open ever. And the running backs, they weren't really thrown to out of the backfield. So it just was hard for them to move the ball. I got to say, I think the Rams' defense was really good. I don't know. Brady missed some throws, but they held them to 400 yards.

But can you say held on 400 yards no i thought about it too i was like well maybe brady wins the mvp edelman has really good numbers could you give it to brady then i was looking at it he had really the same numbers as goth he was 21 for 35 262 with an interception golf was 19 for 38 229 with an interception so they were right right there. It was, it just wasn't that impressive. It was, you know, you had, you had that helmet to helmet. You had like, yeah, that's just like weird stuff the whole time. Like, do you want, do you want the season end on a, on a bad call by the ref in a great game or just no bad calls on a book, just a crap game?

I guess, I guess tonight's result was better. Well, you know, this Patriots team, I was disparaging them all year to some degree, just like, wow. I mean, if they win the, if they win the Superbowl this year, this would be one of the great Brady Belichick accomplishments ever. I think the one thing that really shifted as, as the playoffs went along was the defense. You know, even in that chiefs game, they gave up 31. They gave up a bunch in the fourth quarter. But that Chiefs offense was so good. It was just a matter of time before they took advantage of him. The pass

rush they were getting. And Gilmore, other than maybe Ty Law in 0-2 and maybe the first repeat season, the 0-3 heading into 0-4 season, but Gilmore was as good as Ty Law during that first Pats run. He was really

a monster this whole playoffs. And not even that interception was like a coverage interception. They sent the man, coughed through off his back foot and it was a nice play in there. He was all over the place. We were talking about who's the MVP and it

seemed like it was Edelman, but most of those catches came in the first half when they only had three points. Gronk might have had a sneaky case just because he finished with six for 87 and had the biggest play of the game. And then you start looking at Gilmore.

Reggie Slater was really good, the special teams ace. Actually, in the conversation, that's how boring this game was Tony Romo maybe Romo was in there but to me everyone's focusing on at least right now and it might change tomorrow by the time people

hear this but everyone's focused on the Pats ugly game even the halftime show is bad but the Rams were really bad and I think that's the legacy of this game. Their offense was offensive. What was your take at Corolla's house? First of all, no one, again, knew what was going on with Todd Gurley. He was in there for one snap and then he wasn't in there forever. And then he was in there a little bit and he ran and then they

didn't go back to him. So CJ Anderson wasn't doing the job and goff was a mess he was all over the place he was really bad he was back to the mvp talk for a minute if cooks makes one of those two touchdown grabs bad pass by goff cooks was wide open staring at him like as if he was like filming the whole thing and then there was a great play by the the pats guy who got there just in the nick of time and then there was a one drop by cooks. One of those things where his right arm, I think it was right arm was held a little, but then it got free and then you couldn't, you just couldn't get it in.

But he had 120 yards without either of those plays. He, even in a losing effort, you might've had cooks as the MVP. If one of those, one of those touchdowns goes, but that offense, it was just,

it was just bad news the whole time. You kept waiting for something to happen. You know, in these super bowls, the offenses wake up in the second half and the over-under was 28 in the second half. I was like, God, this is going to go over. And I luckily didn't pull the trigger on it because it was way under. What was it, 10-3 Patriots second half?

Yeah, 13 points total. I felt the same way. It felt like a repeat of other Patriots Super Bowls where nothing's happening, nothing happens. Almost like the Carolina Super Bowl. And then all of a sudden it's a points explosion. Never happened. That Cooks play you mentioned, Goff was late on the throw.

That actually was probably his worst play of the game because Cooks was open from the moment he started going downfield. He was late with it. There was, I think, like 3.30 left in the third quarter. And by the way, his best play of the game shouldn't have even counted. I think the guy won. I can't even remember who it was,

but at one foot inbounds, the refs put the ball down pretty quickly. Usually give another three count before you let the defense, I don't know, look at a player or whatever.

I think they would have challenged that if they could have. Definitely had one foot in there. Yeah, there was a no challenge. So they, Cooks, they don't get that touchdown

because Goff's late with the throw. Then he takes a bad sack. They settle for a field goal. And then that next play after the Pats had scored on the drive with seven minutes left, that was the one when it seemed like Cooks had a touchdown. Looked like he could have caught it with one-handed.

That would have been an amazing catch if he caught that. It would have been a great play. It's good defense. Actually, I think Goff's worst play, did you mention? I don't think they got a field goal on this one. It was third and two. First of all, why are they not running twice, I don't think they got a field goal on this one. It was third and two. First of all, why they're not running twice.

I don't know, but he drops back to pass. He gets, he gets sacked. It ends up being fourth and 16. There's so many things you could do on fourth and two or fourth and one there. He took a sack.

He could, he had ample time to get rid of it. And then they had to punt that ball. It was just, it just extended the misery for the Rams offense. Well, I wonder without basically Gurley wasn't Gurley that whole game.

And Gurley was the best offensive player in the league during the regular season. And that might have hid some sins for Goff. The other thing was, they really missed Cooper Cup. And I gotta say the Patriots really missed Josh Gordon this whole playoffs. By this Super Bowl, it really reminded

me of the second Giants Super Bowl when Chad Ochocinco was on the right side of the field and the Giants were just single covering him. They didn't even care. They knew he wasn't going to get open. And that's a little bit how it felt every time Hogan was split outside. Flash's speed, I think, would

open up the offense a little bit, but they never had that deep threat. And it was a pretty flawed Patriot team. Gronk reached back into the wayback machine last week or two weeks ago against Kansas City and then tonight in that final drive. And I think that was the biggest play of Gronk's career, the near touchdown that set up the touchdown.

It should have been a tie. I would have, I would have cashed a 12 to one if it was a touchdown. Oh my God. It wasn't a touchdown. We all had under one and a half as the shortest touchdown. They put it at the two yard line and a Sony Michelle takes the next, next carry in.

Yeah. And we had a, we had some Devlin action too. Devlin was, Devlin was not really heard of. We'll get to how bad our, our prop bets were later, but I think.

When were you most nervous in this game? I was thinking about you. I was like, I don't even know. I don't even know if nerves factors in. Cause at some point you're watching the game, like, all right.

Right. Like, were you like, should we even be in this? Like it's going to come down to the fourth quarter. Right. And the right in the last drive well a couple things worked in the Patriots favor one was that they had no running back to throw those little wheel route passes to that had just killed us all season if Gurley wasn't Gurley he couldn't do it with CJ Anderson so that play was removed I was scared of cooks every time he was in motion But I was on the edge of my seat.

This is funny, but every time Johnny Hecker punted, Kyle and I were like leaning forward like, all right, it could be a fake. Just watch it. Watch this guy. Be careful. I was just terrified of those Johnny Hecker punts. Because of you, I had no Hecker pass attempt.

Because of you, I had to parlay with something that I eventually lost anyway. Yeah, that one. That was the only prop I won on the Friday podcast was Hecker parlayed with, will the Pats score a fourth quarter TD? The Pats have scored a fourth quarter TD, I think, in every Super Bowl.

Is that possible? Maybe not the Philly one? That sounds right. I can't remember if they scored in the Philly one on the fourth quarter or not. All those props were so bad today. Yeah, the Gurley, it seemed in the beginning, it was like, oh, okay.

And Tracy Wolfson was like, Todd Gurley's ready to go. They're going to really lean on him. And that first drive, he looked like Gurley for one play. And then it became pretty clear that he wasn't Gurley. And this is kind of a mistake from them from a from a roster standpoint but they didn't have that third running back who you know how every team has that weird third running back discuss that friday yeah they didn't they didn't do it that guy who patriots did and burke had we ran he had that big first down run to seal it pretty much yeah Yeah, they needed that second

Williams that KC had. Just one of those guys. Anybody who could catch the ball out of the backfield. I really thought this was a game where they really missed Cooper Cup. Because Cook, we had Cook last year. I know the two routes he can run. Cook can run the deep pattern

and then he can run the deep pattern stop play where he can run the deep pattern stop play where he comes back. That's it. Reynolds, they just – Reynolds seemed like he was actually open. They just weren't throwing to him. And then Woods is – he is what he is. They really missed Cup, I thought, especially on those third downers.

They had no big play capabilities until – I think when he went out, they had like one 35-yard pass the whole rest of the year. It wasn't otherwise it was nothing 50 or, or more. And, you know, add to it. This is when I thought Sean McVay would make it an adjustment. When your D back goes out with a broken arm, like, all right, well, now we're going to see some points or we're going to see some first downs or something.

So that was a point. That was a point when I was scared. Yeah. Cause just the D was playing so well and the secondary was playing so well. And then Chong is like yet again

a patriot like breaking something during a Super Bowl. I don't know how many times this has happened but they just could never capitalize on it. It was a really

really weird game. I think if you're talking like just this century weirdest Super Bowls, Pittsburgh, Seattle is way up there. Yeah.

I think that Green Bay Pittsburgh game, what was that like 2010? That was pretty weird. Right. They, you know, there were some other blowouts, but at least one team was like dominant.

This was one where I think Pat's Giants, the second one was a, was a way more entertaining game than this, but had the same kind of ugly feel to it. I just kept thinking Goff would get it together. I really did. I thought for one drive or so. I mean, there was one play in the red zone

the whole game between two teams. Was it the Michelle touchdown run? That was it? That was the only red zone play the whole day. But Goff, he did it against the Saints. Obviously, that's a hostile environment, crazy place to play. He eventually got it together. Never, never, never did it in this one.

Well, the Pats, Hench texted me this. They got inside the 45 times at one point and had three points. Now, that must have driven you crazy. How many times did they punt from the 45? Yeah, and also, I thought it was telling from both teams that they were just going to punt inside the other team's 50. So both teams clearly knew this was going to be a defensive game. None of us knew this.

But what was the over-under? I wish they would have told us. 56 and a half. Yeah, that was a half. We have overs on all these props. Nothing hits. Edelman, 20 to 1 to win MVP. I guess that's good.

Someone commented, said he's the first steroid MVP guy. Oh. Did I say it? I don't know. Is he? Oh, Sal. Jesus. And then our friend Dave said, no, no, no.

Big Poppy. No. Jesus. I'm our friend Dave said, no, no, no. Big Poppy. No, Jesus. I'm sorry. I got to rain on your parade because you guys don't deserve a parade for this one. But God, it's fine. Well, maybe Edelman's stumbling on something there. You take those first four games off with the suspension and you're just fresher in January.

He was great. He was great. He was great. I want to have him being a hall of famer. Maybe it was, he, is he one or two in post-season receptions now? Yeah. Hold on. Let's, let's take one break. I want to talk about this. Let's take a break to talk about simply safe. No one should feel unsafe at home. Period. Fear has no place in a place like home. That's been simply safe submission from day one. You may have seen their commercial about it during the big game this year. Kyle was excited. Yeah. Kyle loves SimpliSafe. We saw SimpliSafe during Rams Pats tonight. It was like, oh, our friends. If you didn't see it, find it

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There's some guys in there that I'm like, how is that guy in there? And then other guys make it and it's equally confusing. But I think if you're creating your super team, if you're just creating your ultimate NFL playoff team, I feel like he has to be the slot receiver, right? Sure, yeah. Who else would it be? Unless you he has to be the slot receiver, right? Sure. Yeah. Who else would it be? Unless you're going to pick Steve Largent, but Steve Largent

wasn't really in the playoffs. But for somebody who actually has the playoff resume, I think he has to be the slot receiver. And that's probably his legacy. Look at the Seattle comeback. He was all over the place in that game and probably got concussed at midfield on the drive that brought them back.

So you have that one. Then you have the Baltimore game, which was a couple weeks before that Seattle game when they fell behind you through the touchdown pass. Remember at Amendola? So you have that one. Then you have the Atlanta comeback. Then you have this game and a host of other ones, but shit. Well, but here's what's weird about football because it's so fickle because if he touches

that punt, like he so desperately wanted to against the Chiefs, he's the goat. And I don't mean greatest of all time because that probably puts the pages. I know they threw an interception also because of him on like the very next play went off his hands. Right. Little things like that it's so weird it could have different teams in the super bowl uh as a result but i will say this i think now 15 years has come and gone and you know i don't want to throw a race into it but

everyone says oh why can't they get the speedy white uh slot guy there must have been a million of those guys in college i don't think there are i really don't i think edelman's one of a kind you know you can go back to the wayne crevette days this is really there's not a ton of those guys in college. I don't think there are. I really don't. I think Edelman's one of a kind. You can go back to the Wayne Corbett days. There's not a ton of these guys. They're not that good. Every team has kind of tried it. And it might be that Brady makes them look great, but I think he's got some greatness either way. Well, if you look back, it's so funny that we didn't think

to do this as we lost every prop on our Super Bowl prop podcast. But if you go back to 14, when they beat Indianapolis, then lost to Denver and Peyton Manning. But he's basically like, they're throwing to him targets, double figures

every single time since that Denver game. He was 84, 89 yards in 13, but then 74, 98, 109, 100, 7 for 53. A couple years ago, 8 for 137, eight for 118, five for 87, nine for 151, seven for 96.

And then whatever he had today. But that is, that's an amazing run. That might actually get him into the hall of fame. I don't know if the PD thing will hurt him, but. Yeah. And then he's a lot of fun to watch. And even when Brady didn't throw to him it seemed like he was open they would show the replay so it also always manages to get open

it's kind of you know kind of so bell checking brady the sixth round pick and then adam on the seventh round pick right and those are the guys that lead to uh to your your your three and four, second time they've done this. So here's some stuff for you, Sal. Yeah. Three titles since the Deflategate game. Right. When Brady had to allegedly cheat, which he didn't. And oh, it must have been the footballs.

And then he's ripped off one of the greatest four postseason runs. Probably, I don't know what it looks like against Montana's best four-year stretch, but it's got to be... It can't be... Montana could not have exceeded this. See, this is the part I hate. I'm going to get through this quick.

Brady, most Super Bowls ever. Top Charles Haley. Six. Same number of titles as Michael Jordan. Kind of fitting. most Super Bowls ever. Top Charles Haley. Right. Six. Same number of titles as Michael Jordan. Kind of fitting. Belichick, oldest Super Bowl coach ever.

Were you surprised to hear this? I thought Dick Vermeule was like 80 when he won on the Rams. I guess not. Wow. Who did you think?

Yeah, like Chuck Nolan, all those guys. Why did I think Dick Vermeule was like 79 when he won for the Rams? Vermeule was old. Yeah. Really?

Belichick, oldest Super Bowl winning coach ever. All right. Maybe we can hang it up now. Edelman, as far as I can tell, first PD suspension and then Super Bowl MVP same season. So congrats to him. Best Super Bowl Pats defense I think

best performance that we've had I'll give them that if I could say one positive thing about them I'll give them that and then I think start to finish if you throw in the Super Bowl halftime

I think this Super Bowl in its totality will be remembered as least favorable favorable Super Bowl ever. I agree. I mean, there were some 16-6 of what the Steelers win.

Some Vikings teams went down. It was 16-6 or something. But not with the hatred that this Patriots run has had. No, right. I didn't even go. I didn't go on the ring or Slack. I didn't go on Twitter. It's just like, I get it.

I'm sure people are just like, can these guys go away? Well, I don't think anyone liked it. It was two cheating teams. The Rams didn't belong there either. So you just pick your poison there. But I was thinking, who's more upset, Chiefs fans or Saints fans right now? Well, that brings us to Crown Royal. They're doing something pretty cool this football season.

They launched a responsible drinking campaign called The Water Break, all about encouraging people to hydrate between drinks. Is this it? Does a responsible campaign end today? I think it does. People go back to being irresponsible? I hope not. I really hope not.

They encourage people to hydrate between drinks for a better experience, whether at the game, watching at home or in a bar. Have a great time. Enjoy some Crown. Don't be that person. That ruins it for everyone. We've all seen that guy who drank too much

watching the game make the right call take a water break who made the right call this week my right call for me is that pass interference in the Saints-Rams game

I'm really glad it happened I was really glad that it wasn't a call Bill it's not a right call because they didn't make the call it was the right call not to throw a flag so

if they if they if they make the what seemed like the right call but to throw a flag. So if they make what seemed like the right call, but obviously not, because I trust those four professionals in the NFC title game. And if the Saints had somehow gotten through, I think that would have been

probably a little more dangerous to play Drew Brees than what we saw from Jared Goff today. I think anything was a little more dangerous. So thanks to those guys. I think Ben Simmons, your son, could have been a little more dangerous, yeah. So thanks to those guys. Ben Simmons, your son, could have been a little more dangerous today. Thanks to those guys for making the right call for the New England Patriots. What do you have for the water?

Could Goodell step in and be like, hey, we're sorry about the last three weeks. Obviously, there was some officiating miscues and the product we put on the field February 3rd for the Super Bowl was abysmal. We are going to make this a do-over and you get two titles if you win in 2020. Oh, they roll

it over like a skin? Yeah, it rolls over. Like our ZFL pool, if you tie the league. I think that's how they do it. I don't like that idea. What's your right call? The league holds their head with dignity. I hadn't thought about it. I think the right call is for me. I made the right call. Our friend Daniel likes to bet these props. I have some

accounts open, so i was like hey i you know i i put some in for him and i would not let him bet the gatorade color because in years past it'll be like clear and he'll have bet green and he'll be like hey buddy i just i said the next day like i just saw some people saying there's a tinge of green in the uh and i was like no that's water dan he's like oh but i don't i don't think i should pay you for this so i was like hey he wanted blue at plus 400 i said i'm not putting that in for Dan was like, oh, but I don't think I should pay you for this. So I was like, hey, he wanted blue at plus 400. I said, I'm not putting that in for you. I don't want to argue.

I don't want to go 37 texts on Monday going through this. And sure enough, blue is the freaking sky. He was not happy. Oh, my God. It was so blue. It was so blue. Well, at least you bet on the Patriots. That's right.

I had the Patriots. Crown Royal reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and hydrate responsibly. Let's talk about some people I have to apologize to. Go ahead. Kyle Van Nooy. He's taking some guff on this

podcast for me. He had a good game. Talk about the defense and blah, blah, blah. In the old days, we had Vrabel and Bruschi. And now we have Kyle freaking Vannoy. Why wouldn't the running, why wouldn't he just send a running back against Vannoy and pass coverage? You won't be able to stop him. He was awesome during the playoffs and he was really good in this game.

And yet again, here's, here's a lesson for me. Bill Belichick knows more about football than I do. So sometimes, you know, sometimes it's the harsh reality of what it was, but Van Noy, that was an old school Vrabel Bruschi throwing his body around like a, like a freak of maniac performance. Sony Michelle. I like nephew Kyle Van Noy was, was, was been good. Nephew Kyle Van Noy. Sony Michelle. I don't understand why you can't catch the football at all.

Uh, by the way, they threw it to him. He really should have had, I think he took his eye off it. And, uh, brother Brian,

someone commented like they're not going to throw it to him. Yeah. Well, that's why they didn't throw it on my year. Cause every time they threw it to him, he screwed it up. Yeah. But they did a nice job running the ball today against a really imposing Rams front line.

I'm 18 for 94. First run out of the gate. That was important because he went up the middle and did it too, which is that vaunted that sweet spot for the Rams. And yeah. I don't think, I wouldn't say he was outstanding, but he was solid. We'll give him a solid, right, Kyle? Yeah, definitely.

Good enough for me. Solid. I don't understand why he can't catch the ball, but he was solid. We'll give him solid, right, Kyle? Yeah, definitely. Good enough for me. I don't understand why he can't catch the ball, but that's fine. He rushed for 94 yards. I'd like to apologize for saying they should have taken Lamar Jackson. I have a lot of regrets, though. I'd like to apologize to Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator

who's going to Miami, who did a great job today. I was like, oh, give me a break. Belichick coaches defense, but Brian Flores, nice job. And then last but not least. He has to coach the Dolphins. He apologized for that too. Yeah.

I feel bad. I wish he was going to a team where they actually might have some success. Last but not least, Rob Gronkowski. Yeah. It seemed like it was over. It seemed like we were on the tail end. Lived through it with Ben Coates 20 years ago. These big tight ends, it just, they pass this point

and then there's no coming back. But. Seven for 87, or six for 87. No, he hit his number, 87. And the blocking and the way he reinvented himself in December and January, and they really figured out how to use him so that he didn't take too much punishment,

so that he was doing mostly blocking, and then occasionally just those great runs down the middle, I mean, a pass place down the middle. Right. I don't know who my favorite Patriot of all time is. I'd have to really sit down and think about this for like a week and make a list but he has to be in the top three

and I think he might be number one Kyle I wouldn't blame you I just love the guy I was so happy that he came through today and he's been such a joy to root for this decade people can say all the shit they want about the Patriots.

It's fine. Good for you. No, you should be excited. Anytime you have a tight end, it doesn't go to prison. Oh my God. Jesus. I'm sorry. I got to give you a song.

Oh my God. I get a lot of crap from people. He was like a Mr. Fuji salt, my face on that. Gronk was an incredible decade with him. And I just really love that guy. Really one of my favorite athletes I've ever rooted for in any sport. And the play he made in the game today that basically won the game for them. I don't know how many tight ends make that play.

Kelsey probably makes it. Who else? Current tight ends right now. I don't know. That might be it. That might be it, right? And then if you're going all time, there's maybe Gonzalez makes it. I think- Shockey. Shockey makes it. I think Shockey does make it. Ben Coates. Yeah.

There's some guys, but it's a list of 12 or less and you know the best play he ever made it was the Denver game that they end up losing 20 to 18 when Brady didn't see him for the two point

because I think he had a concussion but it was like fourth and 18 and Gronk was like our only receiver Brady throws it in the triple coverage and

Gronk just jumps over everybody and gets it. Right. Incredible. I was at the second Giants game when the Hail Mary and he almost caught the tip. He came within like one second of it, one split second. And that was when he was playing on one leg. I still feel like if he's healthy, we win that Super Bowl.

I love Gronk. He's fun. Why not Edelman though? I can't believe he's not in your top three. He just went through two minutes of providing a great resume for us. He's in the top seven. I really have to sort it out. Willie McGinnis is in there.

Steve Grogan. Stanley the Steamer Morgan. There's a whole bunch of them, but Gronk it's going to be a sad day when he goes. The thing is, I really feel like I think he comes back next year, right? This felt like this was the Gronk Swanson, but I don't think it is now. Yeah, why not?

This is a pretty healthy year for him. And the thing is, they tried to trade him, and it seemed like they successfully completed the trade. And then Gronk traded him. He's probably not going to get any faster. No. But if you can get him to do what he did tonight, every three weeks,

I think he's worth keeping around. And then the last thing, just like watching this team reinvent what it was during the season. I don't have to apologize to anyone for this. Cause this is, this was what we were saying in the pot all year. Like, I don't know how they're going to be there,

but you know, they're going to be there. They'll figure it out. This was the all time. They'll figure it out season where I don't really understand how they figured it out where they just basically became this power running ball possession team. It had nothing in common with really any other Patriots offense that we've had, but, um, really, really just amazing coaching as usual. At some point, people will appreciate it when he's gone.

Yeah, just really disciplined got them to the championship game. Disciplined. Wanted for him. I don't know. Right? I mean, like skill-wise, they weren't better than the Chiefs. Yeah. How many times have they not been better than teams that they beat?

No, I mean, even the little stuff like the special teams coverage and punts not going in the end zone. Edelman made a huge mistake in the second half when they had the Rams pinned, and he didn't field the punt, and then it rolled like another 30 yards for the Super Bowl record. Yeah, they were working on a bunch of rolls. Yeah, that was a rare mistake for the most part. It's just a team that doesn't. But then you guys got a punt that landed at the two,

and then a Phil Mickelson rollback. That was weird, too. The starting field position was not a strong suit for the Rams, for sure. Tom Brady? You're apologizing to him. No. It's his 30th playoff win, so. That's a lot.

30-10 with 13 bye weeks. So if you count bye weeks as wins, which I always felt like they should, he'd be 43 and 10 in the playoffs. 30 playoff wins. Do we see that again? That's insane. Think about that.

30 playoff wins. 30 playoff wins. I don't think anyone is in over like 18 other than him. No, you'd have to do it over the same amount of time. 17 years, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, that might be untouchable.

That might be like Cy Young, 511 wins, kind of untouchable. 30 and 10, if that was like an NBA team, they would have the best record in the Eastern Conference. Oh, all right. Which is just insane. How are we still arguing about who the best quarterback is? Let's never have the argument again. How about that?

Who else had six wins on? Neither of them were a quarterback. Six championships. Well, Haley had five, I think. Right. No, there's two guys. There's two guys, Buzzer something, buzzer something and her battery or something who had like six championships,

not, not Superbowls, but they were six coach, two other coaches that had six titles, but they weren't Superbowls. They were like back in the, it was like George Hallis

and Curly Lambeau. So Belichick, and now he's got his son's coaching. He's figured out. God knows what, they have a lot of picks this year, Sal, in the draft. They do, right? They have like, I think, seven in the top 120 or something.

What did you want them to do on fourth and six inches? Because I went back and forth. And obviously, the answer is, well, if you knew Gostkowski was going to make the kick to go up 10, that's what you want to do. But, oh, my God. So it was 40. Brady just sneaking it forward is pretty good, too. Yeah, it's tough, though, because Sue, against Sue, I don't know if you can do that.

Plus, it was right where I felt comfortable with Guskowski. It was like, if it was 43, I would have done the sneak. It was like 41, right? Right. It was perfect. Yeah, it was. It was right. That's what Hench and I were saying. I'm like, Oh my God, if this was, if there was three yards further, you would say don't kick. And if it was a half a yard more,

you would say, don't go for it on fourth and what, you know? Yeah. I don't, um, just quick. I was going to say that fourth down conversion. So as far as Vegas goes, I guess we'll go over some of the props in a minute. But fourth down conversion was a big one that Vegas needed to lose because everyone had it. And I think both teams were 0 for 1 or maybe just the Patriots were 0 for 1. It was only one. Maybe there was two attempts, but nobody made a fourth down conversion.

No one made a two-point conversion. No one attempted a two-point conversion. Brady's over completions was 26 and a half or 25.5, depending on when you got it. He only had 21. No overtime. I mean, Vegas checked all boxes. They won everything. No safety and no any other touchdown.

So they won. Even though everyone had money on the Patriots, I think Vegas cleaned up on these props. Yeah, it seemed like they won on the props, but they did not win on the Patriots because that line went from... It opened for some reason as Rams by one, and it got bet all the way to two and then eventually landed at two and a half and then never moved after that, which was weird. By the way, the Rams teasers were killed on that zero line miss, that last miss of like 48 yards because if you had Rams plus, what, eight and a half? Yeah, Rams. You're good there with that kick. Rams in the yards. Cause if you had Rams plus what? Eight and a half. Yeah. Rams there with that kick Rams in the under Rams in the under, it feels like Vegas really did clean up.

I get maybe what was Edelman for MVP? 20. He was 20 to one. We should, how do we not discuss? How did we do such a bad job last week? We did two different fucking podcasts on Superbowl props. We never even threw that out. Is there only receiver? What do you out. He's our only receiver.

What do you mean? He's our only receiver. How do we not talk that one out? I blame myself. I like James White. I thought James White would light it up for us. James White played 10 snaps. We misread the game. Something weird happened though. I think

the Rams were ready for whatever that offense was that had been working for the Pats for the last few weeks and they just kind of audibled on the fly and then you know on the last drive they went with that same

on the last two drives actually they went with that Devlin as the fullback like what they started the game with but then they were spreading them all out and doing five wide receivers, but with big guys on the field. That was pretty cool. Yeah.

Pat's coaching stuff. Kudos to them. The only thing I want, I had Pat to win by 7-12 and the Rams to win by 7-12. And the Pats were 5-1. What do you think the biggest mistake of the Rams in that game was? I thought it was, it really seemed like when they went no huddle, Goff was kind of forgetting how kind of nervous and flustered he was

and actually would get into a rhythm. And then the Pats couldn't sub. And there was a couple moments there where they were doing a couple plays in a row and it was like, why don't they just do this? Because this is what happened to him against the Saints too. When he's not thinking and he's just kind of calm plays and going, it seems like he's more comfortable. I thought that was their biggest mistake.

What did you think it was? Yeah, probably. I mean, play-action passing was their best. No huddle turned into just a nothing move because you're right. The pats adjusted better than they did. I still need answers on Todd Gurley. I do. I don't know what it is.

Mystery, right? You want to say he's injured. You want to give McVay the benefit of the doubt, but that guy can't not be in there for all that time. Someone needs to speak up. This is not a Malcolm Butler situation, right? He at least needs to answer if he was injured or not. Yeah, if this was the NBA,

I think people would be losing their minds. If this is like, oh, the Rockets lost in the finals and James Harden played 18 minutes in game seven and they lost. People are like, oh, the Rockets lost in the finals and James Harden played 18 minutes in game seven and they lost. People are like, what happened? Yeah. They probably can't really ever tell us because they didn't report the injury in the injury report, right?

They just said his knee was hurt. Right. So what if it comes out that he had like a torn meniscus? Then I think everyone could deal with it a little better. But isn't that illegal? Oh, to not report that? Yeah. Yeah, sure. My guess

is he has like a torn meniscus or partially torn meniscus or something going on there that wasn't kind of reported. We didn't talk about the anthem. No. Let's talk about some of those props. So the anthem, we talked about it on the two podcasts

we did last week. Harry, love the over. So the Anthem, we talked about it on the two podcasts we did last week. Harry, love the over. Love the over. 110 seconds. Yeah. And all of a sudden, in the last 48 hours, just an incredible amount of action on the over. Someone must have seen her rehearsal

or something yesterday. Yeah, on gambling Twitter, somebody was reporting that a cameraman who was there was like, this is the lock of the year that this is going over. But they didn't move the time. They just moved the VIG.

It ended up being minus 300. Well, it got to minus 300. Ended up being minus 200, I think, 110 seconds. And then she went over by like five, six seconds, right? So she went over, but now there's a controversy. Now they're saying she false started on on brave on the word brave she sang it twice i thought even the first time it went over by a second but everyone's saying well if you only count that first brave

um it's a second under but if you count the second or third brave she's in the home of the brave brave like she continued it. So I think they're paying out both sides, a lot of these betting houses. You know what happened? They asked her to stick around. They were going to find out for sure what happened. She said she was leaving.

And they said, where are you going? She said, I'm leaving on that midnight train to Georgia. Oh, no, you did not. You did not just do that. I'm just trying to get a bad joke. So she's on a midnight train to Georgia. Oh, no, you did not. You did not just do that. I'm just trying to get a bad joke. So she's on a midnight train to Georgia? That's where she is. She's in Georgia.

No, she's headed to Georgia right now. Oh, my God. It's a midnight train. So that was bad. What else happened? Brady making out with Kraft in the post-game celebration. I thought it was six to one odds. I thought that was a little low.

Did they kiss? He kissed them? They were all over each other's faces. Well, I think, I think Kraft was just sloppy. Yeah. He did his, we are,

he forgot, he does the speech, which is turned into like our version of the Patriots dictatorship where the dictator gives the same speech at the end of every successful election. And he did the, we are all Patriots dictatorship where the dictator gives the same speech at the end of every successful election. And he did the we are all Patriots speech, but then it kind of went off the rails. And Jim Nance had to grab the mic.

We are all Patriots. I love Kraft. Kraft had a big week. He was dancing with Cardi B. I know. But imagine having that much fun when you're that age. We can only ask for half of it, right? Yeah.

I'm not sure his kids are that excited about it. Oh, really? Yeah. You know, their dad's like in his late 70s. Yeah. It's like when Uncle Frank of Jimmy Come Alive, mine and Jimmy's uncle, and you were there that first year. Yeah.

He loved it. He loved the fame. He didn't know what to do with it. Yeah. The little fame he had but they used to warm up the audience and he was like uh tongue kissing girls in the audience yeah like his daughters had to tell him to stop like okay this is not this is not good it was we we really worried about you having a new aunt who might have right might have been like uh crystal right chip. Right. Chip, he's angry enough.

We don't need this. Well, the game decided by exactly 10 points was 8-1 odds. I'm trying to figure out what the big ones are. One quarter being scoreless was 4-1 odds. That's pretty good, especially since the Patriots just don't seem to try out of the gate. Well, that's what we talked about last week.

One of the pods had a bet on a slower first half than a second half, and it was hard to figure out how to do that. Yeah, we should have done second half points more. What about if they have those ranges for the unders or point totals or whatever what would have been

16 points that had to have been like 50 to 1 I think it was that's the one I couldn't find I was looking for probably didn't even go over 25 yep um trying to think what else hold on wasn't a lot of great stuff like

everything went under Gilmore intercept the pass was plus 450 but people getting really really angry about Maroon 5 that was like

minus 700 oh my god he took his shirt off and everything what else do you want the bottom line is there's just no Super Bowl halftime

that's gonna make everybody happy I don't know what you do if and I don't feel bad for the NFL cause it it's run by Roger Goodell, who has lied to us a million times over the years and has given us 20 scandals. But, um, I just don't know what you do. What, unless you just have Beyonce every year, what are you going to do? What, what, what is everybody going to agree on that? Oh, I love that Superbowl halftime. There's, it's always going to agree on that? Oh, I love that Super Bowl halftime. It's always going to be disappointing, right?

Beyonce's great, but short of that, do you go feel like, not that this is an easy get, but Springsteen will always rate better than Maroon 5. I don't care what kind of audience you're going for. Or Billy Joel. Or Billy Joel.

Or your hero, Elton John, who's got your computer stolen. Bad mouth. Yeah. All right. Maybe that's the move. You just got to go. You almost have to go with somebody who is like wildly past their prime so people don't

get mad. Right. I was thinking like the Rolling Stones might actually make sense. Yeah, sure. Because people would be so amazed that the Rolling Stones were out there in their late 70s and early 80s that they wouldn't be pissed off about it, right? Sony Michelle was first touchdown 6-1 and last touchdown 6-1. And that was one we liked about we were trying to figure out

a Patriot touchdown with the Patriots will win. Sony was like plus 250 for that. Right. There was another one, whose age will be closer to the total points in the game. Belichick 66 was minus 300 to McVay's 33. McVay won. Oh, he wasn't going away. Two to one.

So he should be excited about that. He did win something. It should have been Belichick's grandkid. I think that would have been a battle. Does Sean McVay take a hit? I mean, the Sean McVay coaching tree has been the most beaten into the ground social media joke of this year so far.

Right. And then, I did not think they were well coached in this game. No. I mean, really, like I said, you kept waiting for the adjustment, especially when Chung went out, right?

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was treated to something that you didn't get to see because you were driving back from Corolla's house. And I want to talk about Corolla's house. I want some of the highlights in a second. Okay. Chris Berman, anchor in the ESPN postgame coverage. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yes.

How was it? Did it take you back, back, back, back, back? Remember his old habit of asking very long questions? Yeah, that's gotten better, right? He ditched that? No, it has not gotten better. It's really, really, they're longer than ever chris burman's questions they are kyle and i were in disbelief we really like we're going nuts but uh he did the highlights do you want to guess his nickname for

sony michelle oh uh well sony michelle my bell sony trinitron michelle what the hell is that i guess like sony trinitron oh sony trinitron we went with the sony sony trinitron michelle he wrote that on the plane so it was flying right over the clouds of denver i loved it. It was great. It was great to have him back. It was phenomenal. He asked a question to Belichick that I think is still going. Belichick had to cut him off at the 75-second mark of the question. If it's on SportsCenter,

you'll see what I mean. If you could bore Bill Belichick, that's pretty strong. Belichick literally jumped in. He was just like, I'm just going in. I'm saving this question before it takes us all down and then uh it was great it was really good to have oh that's good what uh give us some highlights from carola's house uh there's a good thing our buddy daniel

got there early because he wants to run the pool you know the squares and it's always the same thing with the squares there's like 10 adults there and 14 kids and the 10 adults end up buying 10 boxes each you know whatever for 10 bucks but anyway uh so he gets there early he sees that there's no there's no hard alcohol and daniel flips out yeah and he's like what are you gonna do buddy when are you gonna get these like well you're gonna have to go to the store and get it we need mixers we need this we need that he, oh, boy. So Daniel comes back, gets a whole bag. He gets chips. He goes nuts.

And he's like, all right, Adam, that was $173. He's like, all right, well, you went a little crazy here, Daniel. We don't need four bags of ruffles right here, right? There's only a few of us. He's like, it doesn't matter. It's $173. So he gives him $60. He's like, all right, I'll pay you the rest later.

And then Daniel's going to collect money for the pool. And Adam, he's like, how much do you have for the pool? He's like, well, you could use the 60 I gave you. So that's going to be a big thing. Oh no. Yeah. He had to use the $60 that he gave Daniel and he didn't win. Our friend Mike August won the half and the fricking final or third quarter and final one of them. And did you find out Corolla's wife who works for his whole enterprise was our friend Lynette was hosting a Super Bowl party that somehow is not at Adam's house.

It was at a Hooters in Burbank and she did a video and she said that AJ Benzo was going to be there and Olga, their maid. Yeah, their housekeeper Olga was there. That was their cell.

When that was there. Yeah, this is the same day they're having a Super Bowl party. They're hosting a Super Bowl party, and then she has to go sell Mangria at a Hooters in Burbank down the road. Do AJ Benzo and Olga have a podcast on Podcast One or no? Has that happened yet? AJ and Olga? I think we should look. Yeah. AJ, Olga and Adam's son, Sonny have a fantasy football podcast. What were, um, what was the breakdown of people rooting against the Patriots and then rooting against the Patriots? Like they were Germany in 1942. No, you know, the most,

everyone's learned their lesson. They bet the, if you didn't like the Patriots, they were Germany in 1942. No, you know, everyone's learned their lesson. If you didn't like the Patriots, you bet it. Our cousin Jimmy bet the Patriots. My dad had money on the Patriots. Obviously, Hench, he had the Patriots. Dickie Barrett was there, a Patriots fan. Adam's a Rams fan. He was furious only a couple times.

When the Rams kicked off, he was mad that they didn't take the ball there. Yeah. They decided they won the coin toss. I don't know. That ended up working out because Brady threw a horrific interception. Yeah, it was bad. And almost another one after that. But yeah, not too bad.

It was mostly Pats fans. My friends that were at the game said that it was heavy, heavy, heavy Pats fans, which makes sense. Yeah, that's what I heard. There's really not that many Rams fans, right? I guess not, because at this point, every fan base should have run out of money after like three and four years. Right. Well, you think about it. They, they lost a bunch of people when they left LA. Then they were in St. Louis for almost what, 20 years. And then they ditched

St. Louis. So the, everyone at St. Louis hates them. They'll never root for them again. Then they come back here and they have some fans, but it's, you wouldn't call it, it has to be the 31st biggest NFL fan base we have. Chargers are a distant 32nd. Our friend, John Hamm,

our buddy is from St. Louis and bet big on the Patriots. I'm not afraid to say it. Yeah. Just weird. I think that was probably... It would have been interesting if... Let's say that was a marquee franchise

or a franchise with a huge amount of fans. Let's say that was the Bears and Trubisky was Goff and Trubisky had the game and the Bears and all their eight generations of fans, they lost that game the way the Rams lost it. I think that's all we'd be hearing about for the next

48 hours. What the fuck happened? Where's Todd Gurley? Why is Goff so bad? Do we need another quarterback? People are flipping out because it's the Rams. I'm not sure. Well, I think people are only flipping out because they pulled a stunt against the Patriots.

People don't want to see the Patriots win. But let's go the other way with that. How many teams would have a worse showing at the Super Bowl, fan-wise? I don't think... The Chargers, maybe? That's it. I think Rams are 31st and Chargers are 32nd.

Wow. That's it. I think one of the most fascinating subplots of this season, other than this weird Patriots team winning the Super Bowl after joking about it on the podcast all year, like, oh, they'll figure it out. They'll probably win the Super Bowl. Them finally breaking you.

You were like, fuck it. And you bet on them. I don't remember you doing that before. Well, here's what I thought. Here's what I thought. I thought, okay, let's say this game is played 10 times, right? Yeah. And just by Vegas numbers, the Patriots win five or six times, right?

So of the remaining four times based on the past Super Bowls and thinking that this team is not really worse than these past three Super Bowls, you are the very worst in two or three of those four remaining going to get Brady driving with the ball in the fourth quarter to win the game, and you're only giving two and a half points. So you have eight or nine out of ten chances to win this game. I just thought it was smart.

I thought that was the only real analysis there. Hench is texting me. Yeah. What's he saying? He's upset at Chris Hogan. Oh, Jesus. He said, Chris Hogan with all zeros on six targets is hard to do. Jesus Christ.

And then he goes, Brady to Edelman and Gronk, 16 of 19 for 228. Imagine if we had an actual wide receiver in addition to the slot and tight end. Their hair isn't dry from the champagne. He's already thrown everybody on the box. He's mad at Chris Hogan. We did have some texts about the Grand Slam in motion right now. Bruins, what else going on?

Celtics? The Red Sox won in October Right The next major sports title Was tonight Right So now we got NBA and NHL

For the For the Grand Salami Even you have to root Against the Celtics At this point right Come on Well that's been The irony of this

As the Patriots won This awesome Super Bowl It seems like the Celtics dynasty Is cratering Before we even had a chance to lose our overbet. This is your team, yeah.

They really might trade. Kyrie might not be on the team in five days. You hate this, huh? I really do. I think it really is WWE now with these guys every two weeks changing their mind, right? Is it heel?

Is it baby face? I'm disgusted by it. This is the first time I've ever felt like the old guy just none of these guys are happy you look around the league

it's like is anybody happy on their team right 30 teams and like 3 teams are happy everybody else is

like the Lakers who just put that team together and they had like a mutiny against Luke Walton on Saturday night right it's nuts

yeah it's bad that's why we have to look ahead to football together and they had a mutiny against Luke Walton on Saturday night. It's nuts. Yeah, it's bad. That's why we have to look ahead to football. Yeah, that's true. I wanted to talk about Do you have the 2020 odds here? Who do you think is favored? Two teams at the top favored at 8-1. The Rams? I'm sorry.

The Chiefs have to be one. Patriots? Yeah. Chiefs and Pats 8 to 1 Rams 10 Bears and Saints 15 Colts and Packers 18 then you got the Chargers and Eagles and Steelers at 20 and Vikings at 20 also. Dallas 25, Cleveland 30, Atlanta 30, Ravens 30, Seahawks 40, Texans 40, 49ers 45. Then it gets a little. Dallas at 25 and the Browns at 30 are pretty interesting. Stop it. Well, because. I know what you're doing.

Stop. Is this Dax last year before you have to pay him? Mm-hmm. But you still have him on a cheap contract this year, right? Yeah. What does it matter? It's still the same guy. I know, but it's an advantage if you don't have to pay your quarterback, is my point. It's a salary cap advantage. Well, you're assuming they

signed Amari Cooper, right? Right. Steelers are tough because you don't know what's going to be with the... I'll tell you what the value is. Colts. They have like 30 million cap space. 18-1. I think the Bears at 15-1 are pretty nice. You like the Bears?

Yeah, I think anybody with a quarterback on a rookie contract have to be the teams you look at. Trubisky would not have been worse today. He would not have. He actually would have run around and made some plays at least, unlike Goff. I think with the Rams, as has been discussed ad nauseum for two weeks, they went all in on this season. Sue's on a one-year contract.

They paid Donald. They paid Todd Gurley. They got Sue. Was Tlaib this year? Yeah, Tlaib was a one-year. I think Peters is one-year. This was kind of – They're not going to hold defense.

Cooks, yeah, you're right. They went all in on trying to do it this year, which is... Wade Phillips was celebrating. What play was it? It was very early on. He just forced the fourth down. He had his arms in the air like they had been in the Super Bowl. It was the Brady pick.

He went crazy. Was that it? I thought it was even after a third down play that it just stopped him. Yeah, he went crazy with the pick, too. Well, this is it, Sal. We got to do parent corner in a second, but this is when you get sad. I am sad.

I think this is an annual tradition now where you just go into a deep pit of despair. Football is now over. This is miserable. I commented that I long for the preseason, but I think it started tonight, six months early. You're on a show where you have to talk about gambling for five hours a week? We have five weeks on Lock It In before the

conference tournaments. Oh my God. What are we going to do? You're going to have to watch an incredible amount of college basketball. I know. I'm already started. It's good. It's the pros that's killing me. All right all right you want to parent corner yeah let's all right let's go uh well i mentioned last week that i was at the elton john concert i parked in one of those crappy ten dollar lots in downtown la not a great section but whatever i was stuck ten dollar lot uh during the concert some thug breaks my window steals my computer my fault i left it in plain view in the back seat yeah big mistake so much yeah it's really stupid uh my 10 year old is obsessed now with this because he's um

first of all he's very much into crime and he's very much into um you know when you're in fourth grade you do these like projects on your home state california and he decided to focus on san francisco and he came across alcatraz and now he knows everything about alcatraz including the fact that three guys escaped in 1962 and are still alive they're in their mid 80s um i guess it was a big story because he showed me the picture the before and after what they look like yeah uh and he he theorized that one of these three guys is the one that stole my computer last week at the Elton outside the Elton John concert and I had to tell him I was like look I'm not gonna rule anything out and he's like no no no you have to look into these guys I'm telling you one of them took it so

um one of these very you know very old very white men uh came over here and took him took my and i have to now go to northern california and research this thanks to my uh my middle son who's not not gonna let it die either he really thinks one of these guys wow yeah he doesn't know that those guys are at the bottom of the pacific ocean for the last 59 years getting eaten by fish they're, he doesn't. They're at the bottom of the Pacific with my computer. Oh, God. Anyway, that's it. I have a, since this is the last paracord, I have a heartwarming one.

Oh, good. We were due for one of those. Yeah. We went to poetry night at my kid's school. My son, each class does this whole class poem, and then you end up going to your kid's class. And each kid reads these poems that they did. So my son, fifth grade, does his.

Whole class goes. Everyone, that was great. We're getting ready to leave. And the teacher grabs me and says, hey, I have to tell you a story about your son. So instantly, I'm terrified, right? I mean, everyone who's heard parent court in the last couple of years, like this is just not going to go well. The teacher excitedly grabbing me, telling me the story about my son. And apparently they've been learning about persuasive essays in class.

And they changed some rule where they decided that the kids couldn't go on their computers or on their phones during recess. I guess because like with everything else, nobody's going to have social skills anymore in 10 years. Right. decide to write a persuasive, unsolicited, decide to write a persuasive essay to the teacher about how when it rains, the kids should be allowed to potentially go on the internet because you can't have recess, you can't play. Oh yeah. And they write this whole Unabomber manifesto about it. Wow. Using the persuasive essay skills that they have been learning in class, only this wasn't part of their homework or anything. They actually went outside their things to do it.

And she was so delighted by it that it was a rare moment of praise for my son, Sal. We're ending parent court on this. Was it persuasive enough? It was. She changed the rules. Everybody, yeah. When it rains, the kids get the internet. Attica, Attica.

Maybe, yeah. Maybe there's some Alcatraz tie in there, but the whole thing, wow, that's great. She was so delighted that he used the lessons of the persuasive essay. So I don't know, Sal, he might not be living at home till he's 40. I'm starting to get optimistic. It might be like 35, 33. Yeah, maybe he'll be an attorney. I thought you were going to say the poetry teacher's like, Ben's the greatest. He figured out a rhyme for shithead. He did. I posted some Instagram stories of his behavior during the Super Bowl game and left out when Goodell was given the trophy, and he walked up to the TV and middle-fingered Goodell.

I feel like people would have potentially enjoyed that one. By the way way I am three seasons through The Sopranos I love it I love what you're posting the little you posted the one

with the the Pine Barrens the one that never resolved itself when they chased the big Russian through the through the forest

and you know what it was so frustrating when the Russian when we never found out what happened but on the second time knowing that we weren't going to find him, you get to just enjoy Pauly and

Christopher, my two favorite characters. That whole episode is basically centered around those two guys just being idiots. You've got to watch it. You've just got to crank it out one night. I have a problem. This came up today. Our friend Nick Santora,

you know him, right he wrote like three episodes of the surprise what yeah oh yeah you should have him on he he he's all over the place he wrote three episodes of the one where uh uh i know for sure the one where um uh tony whips the congressman yeah remember they're going after the same guy he wrote that one he wrote a couple others and yet he claims it's one of the more overrated shows of all time. Oh, that's so not true. I hate it. I hate that.

He said it couldn't be his. His thing is the acting. He says there's Carmela and there's Tony. And then everybody, he said, everyone's gumad, everyone's girlfriend, everyone's wife, the supporting cast. A lot of them never did anything again. They were such bad actors. The writing was

good throughout of course he wrote on it and he would say that but he said if you think of the acting compared to like breaking bad and the others there's like three or four good acts so that's it there are some bad actors i'm not gonna deny that but i will say there are some i think paulie walnuts i gotta i gotta say stevie van zand Zandt. I always thought he wasn't as good as Polly Walnuts, but when you watch it the second time. He took me the longest to get used to. I was like, this is a cartoon Dick Tracy figure right here. But now that I know where it's going the second time,

I'm way more used to it. And I think even the first time we were like, all right, this is just how it is. These guys actually did kill people. That's why they're in there. And then, Richie Aprile and,

yeah, even he never did anything happen. No, but he's great on the show and then Ralphie's great. Janice was great. Meadow is like

surprisingly good for, for kind of the put out daughter. AJ, AJ's a problem. Bobby Bacala is a problem too.

Right. But Uncle June was good. I, I don't know. I, I think there's some bad actors, but, AJ you didn't like AJ AJ's a problem Bobby Bacala is a problem too right but Uncle June was good I I don't know I think there's some bad actors but there's some you know

Artie was good well you're watching it a second time the other thing he said was like in 35% of the episodes nothing happens whereas in Breaking Bad there's maybe one episode the fly

that nothing happens yeah but you gotta grade it on a curve though it was like the first great show you know like the first great show, you know, like the first great cable show.

So I'm sure if they did it over again, 20 years later, they would have had some tricks, but no, I love, you know, I love the, I love what you posted.

Then when they were fighting over the ketchup, what is that? Let me have some of that. I, uh, I was shocked by, I'm probably like 42 episodes in or something, but Gandolfini is all time.

Yeah. I know there's some push for Cranston for Breaking Bad. I get it. But Gandolfini is so amazing in this show. It really is. I think it's the greatest TV performance ever by anybody. Yeah. I really do.

Really watching him more carefully the second time and all the horrible things he does on the show and you never bail on him ever as a favorite character. And he's really a bad guy. I mean, the third season really turns out great,

but the five different times he just assaults the bada bing guy who answers the phone. Yeah, right. He's getting mad at the guy for different reasons and slamming glasses against his head and you never really hold it against him but you root for everything and unlike walter white like there's so many anti-heroes you know there's dexter and everybody rooted for like killed somebody he would cheat on his wife

yeah he would you still root it he's like oh he's doing bad this is bad he should oh he doesn't need to do this but yeah you root it for him every time right and then gloria the gumar we just went through that one at the end of the season was she the mercedes yeah the mercedes she was great she was great and then it just goes really bad and he is so terrifying in that scene when the last time they see each other. And then when they kill her, they warn her. They're like, it's not going to be cinematic.

I remember that line. I remember that being a great line. I'm telling you, you're going to have to bang through these. All right. I got to watch it. It's got to happen.

Because I don't give a crap about these screeners. These movies, they're all terrible. So I think I'm going to watch it. Well, what I was shocked by, it's been so long since I saw it. I don't remember 90%

of what happened. I mean, season three was in... I just started season four, which was when I met you, 2002. That was 16 and a half years ago. Yeah. Then the other ones are 99, 2000, and 2001.

That was before the Patriots won a Super Bowl. Yeah, I never thought of it that way, but why would I? Who cares? Patriots, now they've won six Super Bowls is my point it's like we've been in nine Super Bowls we've won six yeah yeah but I really miss

it's like what I was telling you before how my wife was saying how I really miss my friends I really miss my friend Paul the Walnuts he was the Gronk of that show for me every scene and apparently I was reading the Alan Sepinwall's book miss my friend Paulie Walnuts. He was the Gronk of that show for me. Every scene, and apparently, I was reading the Alan Sepinwall's book. I've been kind of reading

along as I read, as I watch these shows. And I didn't realize in season four, Paulie Walnuts had back surgery in real life. So they had to put him in jail to get him out of the first bunch of episodes. Which, you know, it's almost like when Gronk, you know, tore his ACL.

You can survive, but it's just not the ideal. Right, right. He was great. Even his relationship with his mother, each a scone, Ma. He was fed up with her. And then what they did with him and Christopher, their back and forths were good too. Yeah, it was forth. So we're good. Yeah, it is great.

So good. So we can see you unlock it in and we can, uh, listen to you on the against all odds podcast, which will be coming back this week. Every Wednesday night. We'll still be talking. There's so much to gamble on. It's going to be a little tougher,

but you know, it's a lot coming up. Uh, a lot of basketball, March madness coming up. We've got some good stuff this week. Oh, unlock it in four 30 to 530 Eastern.

Watch tomorrow specifically. We play a prank on Clay Travis, who was on Radio Row. He's one of the stars of Lock It In. He has his own radio show. We sent the guy over there. His name is Chip Rank. The guy has the word prank in his name, in his made-up name. He's the equipment manager for the Rams for the last 53 years.

He's an old man, but he was actually just an actor we picked up in Atlanta. And he sits with Clay, and he has a heart attack in the middle of the show, and we recorded the whole thing. Is that on tomorrow? Yeah, it's on tomorrow. It'll be the first thing. You know, your girl Rachel, I saw her Brady video. You didn't love it. I didn't like it. I liked her until that video. I'll tell her. I'll let her know. Go away, Tom. G-O-A-T.

It's the Canadians who like to pretend that they're just these nice, gentle people, but they're not. They're actually not gentle people at all. They're very feisty and they're nasty and they're spiteful. The Canadians. I will pass it on. That's why in hockey, it's like, you know, they interview Canadian hockey players and say, hey, we got to go out there and do our thing. But then on the ice, they're just serial killers.

You're right. She's the same way. She's also missing three teeth. That's it. You're right. Got to watch out for those Canadians. Watch're right. She's the same way. She's also missing three teeth. That's it. You're right. Gotta watch out for those Canadians. Watch your back. The Cuz, season 13

in the books. As always, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. Alright, thanks to the Cuz for another wonderful year of talk. The big wrinkle this year was the Sunday night thing, which I think I just think you gotta do in this day and age.

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