The Bill Simmons Podcast - Philly’s Dominant D, Shaky Mahomes, Shakier Darnold, Shakiest Goff, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal right after the Eagles take down the Lions to recap Week 11 of the NFL season (1:53). Then, they guess the lines for Week 12 before ending with a special Parent Corner remembering Cleto Escobedo III (01:01:44). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo Michelob ULTRA Courtside could get you closer to the game! michelobultra.com/courtside This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. Don’t settle for just any insurance when there’s State Farm. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't, what do we have to do? Do we have to kill a chicken and spit the blood all over us? What do we have to do, Mike? We finally get a closed game and the rest blow it. Like, we can't end like that. Start it over. I wanted to see Jared Goff get redeemed and throw five more incompletions, Mike, even if you only had four downs.

The worst. Cubies on good teams, where you know, away, they might not have it. Is Goff number one? Oh, wow. I'll offer you Goff, Donald, Daniel Jones, and Lamar Jackson. Are they all in the NFC North?

Yeah. Two of them are. Yeah, I, uh, boy, it's tough because I'm looking at stats and everything, like Goff and cold weather or Goff outdoors and Goffins, like, he has like a number, like 39 degrees and it was 44 degrees. So I couldn't even blame it on that. Yeah. But yeah, he really does look like.

I mean, he was two for 18. Forget about that call at the last, but stupid. pass interference call, whatever. It's two for 18 down the stretch. It's miserable to watch. And the Eagles are miserable to watch too, but they're the Eagles and they play great defense. And that's why they're there.

But yeah, he is, he is Jekyll and Hyde, boy. When you say two for 18, just to clarify for the people listening tomorrow who missed the game, Sal means two completions out of 18 attempts. His last 18 for 18. Like it's literally the John Stark's number. Yeah, sometimes you just know. And it was weird because we had just watched it happen with Darnold

in the game right before against the Rams where just something tilts. These guys that can look like superheroes one day. And then the next day, Jones is the obvious one. And then Lamar is kind of the wild card. Like our friend Hensh was making January Lamar jokes on our text thread during that Cleveland game where sometimes it just doesn't look right.

But I thought about for a second, given the defense's credit today. Because watching that Brown's defense, like, man, they are tough. And Miles Garrett, that poor bastard stuck on that team forever. That sucks. Well, he did sign up for it. Yeah, he did.

They're probably paying him for it. And the same with Philly. Like, everything, they were clogging the middle. Everything was getting batted down. Every pass was covered. Like, you know, the cornerbacks were great. This was not, I feel like Dan Campbell made the call like two weeks too early. He's like, ah, I called all the plays.

I called all the offensive plays when they played Washington. It's like, what are you going to say now? Like you had it every other week. Like this was just dismal. He should have given it back to the guy this week and then taking it back and getting it next week. He just keep yanking it back and forth. Yeah, I'll take it on odd weeks.

Two straight weeks, it's been awesome. And I think, you know, now we're, this is next week's the last Sunday before Thanksgiving. Like the NFL is now real. We have a nice sense of who might be legitimate who's not. See, people say they listen and you never give good insight on anything. Yes, next. Last Sunday before Thanksgiving.

One of the reasons, you know, that we've been around forever. We have these great tidbits. But I feel comfortable saying this now. Yeah. So we've had 11 weeks sample size. I think Philly's defense is better than any other unit in the NFC. Right? We can at least start there.

They're better at playing defense than anyone else is at doing anything else in the NFC, I think is a fair statement, especially the Jalen Phillips trade. You know, they got some guys back. it just feels like they have a rush they can stop the run they can defend the pass they can basically do everything a lot of guys have

not a lot but there are teams with good front sevens front fours whatever that you can't run on you can't pass up the middle against the Eagles like you're gonna get you should tip all night for three hours and it's and it's

it's hideous to watch because I don't like the Eagles and I find that they're boring but I guess it would be worse if they were scoring six touchdowns a game and I had to watch like Barkley celebrate and, you know, A.G. Brown and everything. But, um, yeah, man, they just, you, you can't tack that they, they, every trade they make, that Howie Roseman must be such

a pain in the ass, right? To deal with. Like that. We boot him. We, we, we are in the fantasy draft where you can kick somebody out. Right. I feel like we'd kick him out every two years just to get him out of the league. So we'd have a better chance. It's like, Howard just comes in. It's like, oh, fuck, I got, I'm going to get voted out. Right. Yeah, you're going to vote it out again. That's why everyone's trading with him, because he said, he's probably, he's probably, we calling these other GMs at three in the morning. Like, stop calling, fine, I'll give you three ones for your punter. Just stop calling me.

It's good. And now they have a loaded roster again, and it's not going to change. Well, it seems like the Patriots were also going after Jalen Phillips. Yeah. And I think maybe even offering a third. They didn't want to trade them in the division. And you could argue their third's probably

slightly better than the Philly third around the same. But, yeah, listen, I look at like, even when I think about the Patriots, I think you can throw on the Patriots. They're one-pass rush or short. You're going to be feeling the Thursday night game. Fields had time to throw.

There was that receiver, that Mitchell, that they got from the Colts. There were multiple times during that game where it felt like he could make a play. And either he dropped the ball or he was in the wrong spot, but there were guys open that whole game. Philly, not the same. And especially when we get in a cold weather, it's a team built toward January. And they're, they kind of know who they are. Like, they're going to be super boring.

They're going to make you wonder why they don't throw to the receivers more. Siriana's going to do something fucking wacko in the last four minutes. Like what he did today? What was that? They're up 10, just punt. Golf's done nothing. He can't move the ball against you. Why are you giving them any semblance of life and a field goal and any chance to do anything?

All you threw is punt, you win the game. But he just can't resist, like just getting weird. He won the Super Bowl, so you can't criticize him too much. He's got to be the king of fourth and one, right? We could impose our will on you whenever, whenever we want. But, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that maybe bites them in the ass eventually, but. At some point it will. Yeah.

And it's weird because I feel like the lions are also built like tough, like the Eagles, except for at the quarterback position. I really do. I feel like the entire team, everybody else is. And, you know, also Gibbs, like every drive was the same. Like Gibbs starts off with an explosive play, either a run or like a screen pass. and then it's just pure shit from Goff, like the next few. Well, I loaded up on Philly to end the day because I had a couple of things that didn't go well today.

But the offensive line is having some injuries on that. And then the porta got scratched over the weekend. Right. And, you know, I don't think that's entirely the reason they scored nine points, but they didn't feel like the same team. And you could feel the blocking is just different than it was last year. Goff had no time to do anything, not that he was going to do anything. I think that was a way worse loss for Detroit than it was a good win for Philly,

because Philly should win that game, even though the line was minus three. For Detroit, it's getting a little gamey now for them because I really think we're going to have two playoff teams, but we have three spots for the two playoff teams out of the NFC North. We're not getting three playoff teams in the NFC North. I think we're getting two. And in Chicago, who's seven and three, Green Bay is six, three, and one. and Detroit's 6 and 4 and there's some interesting

caveats including Chicago plays Green Bay twice Chicago, the rest of the schedule home Pittsburgh at Philly they have a home and home with Green Bay their home for Cleveland is the only easy one they're at San Francisco and then they finish against Detroit. I had that written down

they'll be an underdog in five of their last seven that's what I think. Right. So if they go three and four they get to 10 and 7 but you know week after and we'll talk about that game later Green Bay 6-3-1. They still play at Detroit, home, Chicago, and at Chicago. And they also play Minnesota twice.

And they also suck. Yeah. Right. And they also make you want to stab your eyes. And then the Lions, six and four, but weirdly might have the, I mean, they have the Giants next week. They have Green Bay once at home and they're at Chicago and that's about it. So if you had to say who falls out of it between those three who.

would you pick. Chicago 7 and 3, Green Bay 6, 3, and 1, Detroit, 6, and 4. I would still say Chicago. I know they have all the wins and they have 7, so they need probably 3 to get in, but I don't know why. Maybe I'm holding on it,

and I just said Green Bay suck, but I think you're right. This loss was worse for Detroit than the wind was good for Philly, because it does show what November and December could be like in the cold weather and stuff, and everything's like a little scattered. It doesn't go their way, you know.

I just don't believe them at all outdoors. if they have to be outdoors of January. Last year's team had more of a case because I think they were just deeper and their offensive line was better. I don't believe in this day. They weren't outdoors last year either. They weren't.

It's like now they have like four, I think the rest of the way. Well, Fando has them plus 285 to miss the playoffs, which is interesting. The bears are plus 110. So I guess from an odd standpoint, they agree with the Green Bay's plus 280. So Fando is saying Chicago,

we don't believe in this team. we are going to see them fall out of the pack and yet every week they pull a fucking win out of their ass I have them at two wins, two losses and six either-or games and they're seven and three so that means they're five and one in the either-or games basically.

Yeah, they're an unremarkable seven-and-three yeah, at minus 140 to make the playoffs so I don't know, they just, they're the benefit of, I don't know, do you want to talk about that game now? Yeah, let's do quick. They've five come from behind wins and they're tied for the or they had

the lead now in the NFC North and Ben Johnson's locker room thing is now my single favorite thing to look forward to on Sundays. He did it at the end. He's like, we did it again. All three phases down the stretch. He said that.

It's like, but you gave up a go ahead scored in Minnesota with like a minute left. I don't know if it was all three phases. Good kick return. That was the, maybe two of the face. Yeah, you got a kick return. You got a couple first downs.

But, I mean, there is something about these teams that just pull wins out of their ass and that's the team this year. So I don't know what usually, usually it doesn't end. Usually it goes the course of a season and then like has a dramatic overcorrection the next season. So I don't know, but you think this ends. Well, I do think it ends.

But now like Caleb Williams is being lumped in. I know you're not, no one loves Bo Nix. But just from that draft class, I see like Drake made 8-0, Caleb Williams, 7 and 1, Bo Nix 8-0 in their last 8. So now those guys are all lumped together. So now you hear enough of that in Chicago thinks,

yeah, we are a playoff team. We're going to do this. And I don't even, I look at that box score. Like, they had 330 total yards Chicago. Like, you've got to win that game at home if you're Minnesota. Right. Caleb, it was weird because his scrambling is just great. Yeah.

Like he has four or five of their, like, Lamar level. I can't believe he got out of that place. And then the ball is just going all over the place. And sometimes it's a good place. Sometimes it isn't. But he is really hard to take down. And I do feel like there's a little bit of a ceiling with him if he can just kind of calm down and keep the passes in the mix.

I don't know. They rely on those turnovers. They got an unbelievable McCarthy performance today. Like he was so bad. It was almost defied belief. And I really thought, I don't even, what school did Max Brasburn go to? Who is Max Brosmer? I think he actually went to Minnesota College.

Yeah. It got to the point where I was, I just thought he was coming in for the third quarter. Let's see it, yeah. Like, well, they can't play McCarthy for another half. Like this is, he's unplayable. Like, he was, like, actually unplayable. And they brought him back.

And then in the last kind of drive, all of a sudden he settled down. It was a little Boonex-ish. We really, it was beyond like boot and rally bow. It was something, I don't even know what it is. I'm done giving these quarterback's nicknames. It gets me in trouble. I love your nickname.

The pets haven't lost since the Drake Baby podcast. Believe me, I know it. I need to give my own quarterback. I need to call him Dak, Press, got to be cut or something. Prescott got something just to inspire him. But you're right. You're right, no, since the Drake Baby. Call him Mr. August or something.

Yeah. Yeah, but Jay, I mean, it was 16 for 32, 150, two interceptions. could have been seven interceptions. Could have been anything you wanted out of that. And it's just, yeah, you're right. Where is Brosmer? This bear's, you know, defense isn't great. Like Flacco lit him up in the fourth quarter.

Maybe it's just a fourth quarter thing, but he did what he wanted against them, right? So, yeah, absolutely have to win that game. I wrote it down before that last drive. McCarthy had 74 yards passing. He had two picks, and he was 3.3.0 yards per attempt. and then in that last drive basically doubled his stats

for the entire game because he threw for like 75 yards and threw for a touchdown. But it was so bad and I think big picture like it's just cost them this season. Like they have to run the slate now and I don't think they're gonna run the slate with them.

The receivers look really frustrated and I think their team's pretty good. Like it's their quarterback has just killed them game after game going back to Wentz and you know they the Monday night game when he beat them. It was the Bears, right,

on that first Monday night game? Yeah. And he got hot basically for 20 minutes. Other than that, not a lot going on with you. I mean, they run the ball too. Like Aaron Jones is back.

They do do nice things. It's not like they have to rely on the past, right? But then you got blue chip receivers, obviously Jefferson and Addison. Those guys shouldn't be getting like six receptions total, whatever it is. I was looking at like an adjusted, maybe it's just over.

Maybe it's like under five and a half wins. I see like plus 420. That could be it. What do you mean? I'm just seeing Fandle has adjusted wins. Like Minnesota under five and a half is plus four 20. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. I don't see a lot. This is still, this is a quarterback that is going to be at a disadvantage and a lot of these matchups. Well, then the Packers, they beat a bad team. Yeah.

And they looked like shit, which I think is the third or fourth time this year. They had. just drops on both sides of the ball. It was really interesting. I don't know how many interceptions they dropped combined with how many drops their receivers had. Playing the Giants.

It was a classic, don't put us in a parlay. We're going to fuck around and make you super scared for three hours. Don't do it. I didn't do it. And of course, then put the Cardinals in a parley instead, which was even worse. But they're not impressive either.

And at one point, what was it, Malik Willisko and head to head against Malik and James? James. Yeah. Lincoln James, the matchup we didn't know we're going to get. But, you know, I have some Packers future, so do you. Yeah.

I thought they'd turn it on or show flashes by now and it's just not happening. And I don't, now that crafts out, I'm not, now Jacobs got hurt today. I just don't know if they have the skill guys. No, I think so, right? It has to be a different, like Watson caught today. Well, he just had a touchdown. But, yeah, it's between like six guys who are about the same catching. the ball every week, it's a different one. But I don't, I don't know what happened to Jordan

love either. Like, we could do this every matchup for anybody, any team who lost. I'm like, what happened to this quarterback? But honestly, like the NFC North was supposed to be the beast, like the heavyweights, right? What trust rating do you put on Gough, McCarthy, love, Caleb Williams? Like, if you were to go one to, like, who's, who's won in that? Is it Caleb Williams? Is he won now? Just quarterback. Like, who would you take if you had to win one playoff game. What would you trust? Yeah.

Yeah. So my choices are Gough, Caleb Williams, or Jordan Love, or McCarthy. MacArthur's fourth. So let's say I'm outdoors in January on the road. Yeah. And I could have one of those four. I'd probably take love.

I don't think I would take Caleb. There's too much, it's too erratic, right? And Goff, I think, even though Goff has had great stats and has been really loyal, Goffs third for me. If the weather's bad and you're playing a good defense, I want no part of that. Well, sometimes does that thing where he rears back. Remember that terrible electric football game? Yeah, yeah.

You have the plastic figures. And one of them, like, you'd have to really sling his arm back to, like, love does that. I'm like, oh, you're not even looking at your receiver. What the hell are you doing? It's second and eight. Even a downfield like that. I'm trying to think of, it's almost like, I remember writing about this, like, 13, 14 years ago,

Ryan Reynolds, when they were trying to make Ryan Reynolds a star for like seven years. Ironically, he belatedly became a star thanks to the Deadpool movie. This was from like

2005 to 2012, and he just kept being starring a movies and people were like, Ryan Reynolds is going to be a star and it just wasn't happening for years. And it would be like, the Emoryville Horror remake.

And then it would be like, here's the Sandra Bullock Romcom. And it just never happened. and I'm kind of wondering if love's like that we're love we've we've penciled into this group and I don't really know what the credentials are other than he played awesome in that one playoff game that they lost

wasn't that to the Niners in a really good game against the Cowboys too I know I know that's what you get that so they had the one win all right yeah I forgot about that but but it's it we are penciling him in in my head I have him in that category and I don't know if he's earned it at all

Because we have a lot of games like the one today where they just really look struggling. Well, I would have, I agree with you. I think I would also have the Bears out, even though they have the best record of those three, just because I don't trust what I'm watching with my eyes. I just feel like they should lose every game when watching. It's interesting because we both have Bears fans in our life. There's no Bears fan. It's like, we fucking got it, man.

No way. Look out. They're kind of like, I can't believe this. Hour is 7 and 3. It's enjoyable. Both are having a good time. I have a bear's friend fan who said we're the worst seven and three team of all time. I don't know if I go that far, but it's got to be one, two others.

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Oh. I'm going to give you a bunch of things, and it's an excuse for us to talk about the different games, but we're going to rank these sentences in order of improbability from one being the most probable to 10 being improbable. I can't wait.

Here's the first one. Patrick Mahomes blew a fourth quarter lead in a must-win road game and got outplayed by both free Knicks, one to ten, how improbable it was that for you as you were watching? Oh, going into the game? Yeah, even as you were watching it, how

improbable was it as it was happening? You know what? I'm going to say, I have to say like four. I had Denver plus, I took the points. I like this. Yeah, you've been suspicious of Kansas City for a while now. You wanted to do a parlay, right? With division winning

parlayes or something, like early in the week? And I was like, I don't have a good feeling about, I actually said on the pregame show. I was like, they're going to score like 19 or 20 points. Four and a half is too many. I don't know that Bo Nix can match that. But, yeah, I was actually a little more surprised at the defense. I know Mahomes is getting crap,

but I thought Spagnola would have something dialed up so that it was 197 in the fourth quarter. But it wasn't. Well, and they just needed a couple stops in the fourth. Nix was, you know, I think people will probably overreact to Nix over the course of the week. He's pretty steady today. made a couple big throws and certainly outplayed Mahomes.

I like this game, though. But Denver runs it for 21 for 59 and they still win. I'm higher. I'm like a 7. Really? I thought they, Casey scores, they go up 1960 and they're about to kick the extra point. And I'm thinking like, oh, why did I worry about the money line? Because I didn't, it was Casey 3 and a half.

I was worried about the hook. Then, of course, Bucker misses the extra point. extra point. And he missed the extra point. I was like, holy shit, they're going to fucking lose. It was like immediately swung the reaction. But I was like a seven watching it because I just felt like it was such a huge game for

KC. So you don't want to go five and five. They're five and five. It's nuts. I mean, they're minus 225 to make the playoffs. So people still believe, but I you know, I just think the road's really hard. I know the schedule is getting a little easier, but they have no room for error now. I think it's

I looked at it. It's not awful. So the bad part is they have four teams they lost to ahead of them, right? So yeah, they're minus, are they minus 220 or something? Is that what you said to make the playoffs? They have chargers, the Broncos, Colts, Texans, all at home. And then at Tennessee and at Las Vegas. Now, they need, they need what, five of those to make it.

There's some, is there some weird schedule stuff with them, though? Like they have Christmas, they're Thanksgiving, they're Christmas. They play on both, yeah. Yeah, I don't love that. The weird thing is their own five and one score games, and they were 11 and 0 last year. So what is that? Is that referees?

Is that just Mahomes not having his flair in the last drive? I don't know. I guess we'll see. So Mahomes, I just don't think he's playing that well. Like, it could be one of those things where it's a fun thing to say in a sports talk show. He doesn't hit guys on those deep balls. And when he actually does it, it's either a pass interference or maybe once a game. But he had in the first half,

he had open guys that he just missed. And I think it was three times, two or three times. I think it was three. But then the Red Zone stuff has been weird too. Like that interception he threw today was like a, you know, that was like a scrub quarterback interception, right? You're inside the 15. He didn't realize that guy was just going to jump up and catch the ball.

Like Mahomes, this shit wasn't happening with him a couple years ago. Right. So you can't blame the weapons thing because he has weapons. These guys are like, I think good receiver. He certainly has better weapons than Buffalo does. Yeah, I think so, too. And you're right. And if it wasn't a deep ball, it's the, you know, rolling right,

taking a look down the field, seeing if nothing's there. Oh, wow, he needed eight. He just ran for nine. Like, he didn't have the flow. He wasn't controlling the game at all. So it is strange, but what are we going to do? We're going to bet against this team? I wouldn't take a no at plus 190 or whatever to not make the playoffs.

No way. Plus 480 for the division, which is, has to be the biggest odds they've had since Alex Smith was their QB. Isn't it weird that they're ahead of the Chargers who are 550, despite Chargers one and a half game leave? They look so awful today.

That was the worst loss for a team, yeah. Yeah, I don't feel like this is an overreaction. They haven't looked right all year and you can't blame the weapons. I don't think they're offensive lines that good. They have these holdings every single game. There's like one, two, three, four holdings that just, they're like crippling.

All of a sudden it's, you know, second and 18, third and 17, because over and over again, it seems like their guys can't block, they just don't look right to me. And I think they're running out of time here because let's say they're, let's say they get in now. I don't do they have any chance to be a five seed. No, it doesn't look like it. No. So you're in the six, seven seed range. But I just, it's going to be a long haul. They're never going to, they're not going to have a home game for the entire playoffs. They're going to have to play every round.

They have some older guys in their team, so there's some injury stuff. And, you know, it was the first time I was watching a Mahomes game thinking of myself, I think my Patriots quarterback would have done better on that one. Oh, you guys with that.

Yeah, it's fine. I get it. Yeah. I did it, I premiered my sauna Instagram, sauna YouTube shorts today. I missed it. I did a quick Mahomes thing.

Yeah, I did it in the sauna. And then Chris Ryan pointed out. I should have called it actually hot takes because I'm hot in the sauna. Yeah, yeah. It would have been good. Are you nude or are you wearing stuff? No, I wear a T-shirt, which apparently is controversial. Some people don't understand the same way of a t-shirt and sauna.

But I like to wipe my face with a T-shirt as a... You don't have a towel? I'll send you towels. I'll go on Amazon. I don't like the feel of a towel on the face. I'd rather the shirt. I know it's weird. I'm not defending.

The color's running. Got the ring or green. It's weird. I got a white t-shirt on. You got the Hulk coming out. Oh, well, all right, let me just say this about the chiefs. We will bet them at Tennessee. We'll put them on a teaser.

We'll bet them at Las Vegas. We'll put them on a teaser. We'll bet them home against the Texans, money line or whatever few points they're given. We'll bet them home against the Colts next week. I won't say the line because it ruins everything. And then the rematches against Chargers and Broncos. I don't know if I would bet them.

I don't know if I'd feel good about that Colts game. All right. I mean, they have played them tough in the past. But you think they get swept by both the Chargers and Broncos, like, I think they'll get, I think there's five wins on this schedule. Here's what needs to happen. Mahomes needs to be Mahomes again. If it's going to be whatever this version is, they're not doing jack shit.

Like, there's got to be some other extra thing for him. I think five and five is a big deal. Like, we always compare Brady and Mahomes. Brady went five and five twice in his career. It was the first two seasons he was a starter. I think he lost six games once in a season after 2002. I think he lost five games in a season like two or three times total. and this is the guy who's supposed to be on that level

and they're talking goat stuff and he's a 500 quarterback this season and some of these losses are his fault like that red zone thing killed them today I thought their defense played pretty well you know I think his receivers are open thornton was open thought worthy was getting open Kelsey was getting open like you can't play in the weapons so at some point you just let a fire under his ass I mean he's playing honestly he's playing like he's a 36 year old quarterback and he's 30 right and the one time he feels like Mahomes is on these scrambles because he's still dishing out.

It's the one thing like he's way better at than Drake May is going out outside the pocket and actually putting his body into people. Drake May's just getting killed. Mahomes is like, Mahomes knocked somebody on his ass today. But I don't,

I just don't think he looks scary this year compared to Josh. It was like the last three quarters of that game when fucking Kaiser Soze against Tampa. That was unbelievable. But we haven't seen Mahomes do that in two years. No, I'll give you that. No, for sure.

I still think they're a playoff team based on this schedule. Not that I think they were a playoff team. I thought heading into this game, this was the team I was afraid of. And, you know, thinking like with the Pats, I was on a couple Pats threads about trying to figure out the seeds. And if we were like the two seed, oh, fuck, that means we could be 2-7 against KC. I don't want to see KC. I still don't want to see KC. But that was the line.

Let's guess the line. Pat's KC. 2-7. In New England? What's Casey's record? So Casey's like 11 and 6 or 10 and 7? 10 and 7. Yeah. They had to win like 4 to 5.

I think they put it in the TikTok. I think everyone's so afraid of Mahomes in a big game. I think it would be in the TikTok one way or the other. Let's get there. That'll be great. Let's just do that. Listen, it's more fun if he puts the superhero cape on than the guy that is kind of sort of, but not really like. I just think this whole thing's weird.

He's 30 years old. he should be peaking and he's not and I don't really understand the reason and it's not the offensive line like it has been in the past like it's we've seen him under seas

in the Super Bowl and some other games he's not playing one enough yeah Pat's Colts Broncos win totals all the overs have cover the Broncos were nine and a half

actually they didn't cover yet so they're nine and two it's almost covered right almost but just to be fair because we didn't talk about Denver at all Denver's missing a couple guys Denver was in a situation that they've been in six, seven times this year

where they actually needed their QB to make a couple of plays, and he did. They're short-arm running back. Dobbins is out for the year. And I think that's going to hurt them down the road. But I thought that was an awesome win for Denver. Like, they have to feel you fall behind. It looks like either three or four

in the fourth quarter and you just assume the chiefs, oh, this will be the classic chiefs winning on the road game. Really good. They pulled it off. It was a nice one. That defense is good.

Maybe we're not. And I know you're right. Mahomes hasn't looked good all year, so it doesn't really, we shouldn't just blame this week. But Eagles defense great, Denver defense great today. So let's see. And I actually thought Seattle's defense was really good today. Yeah. They gave up some stuff early, but they really, they boa constricted Stafford as that game went along.

For the conference, Buffalo is the favorite of plus 380, at least on Fandual. Colts plus 440. Chiefs are third at 5 to 1. Denver 6 to 1 Ravens plus 650 which is fucking bonkers I can't wait to talk about them and then the paths are six

that's 7 to 1 even though they have a real chance to be the 1 seat and not even play until round 2 and if they play they'd be home right and there's 7-1 to win the conference I don't understand that at all but if you watch their defense closely Thursday maybe it made more sense I have to take that another emotional hedge bet

that's a lot but also I wouldn't those six teams I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them in the Super Bowl right now. Would you be like super surprised? I'd be surprised by Baltimore. I don't think they're very good. We'll get to them. Actually, let's do it now.

Next, uh, improbability scale 1 to 10, 10 being the highest. Shadur Sanders didn't save a Brown's blown lead loss at home to Baltimore. How improbable was this for you on a scale 1 to 10? Wait, what's a number?

You can go minus if you want. Yeah. One's the lowest. Yeah, I'll go, I'll, I'll, I'll give it a one. I'll give it a one. It was also a one for me. Yeah. I mean, I lied at Baltimore.

So that tells you how much it was confident. He looked so discombobulated that it actually, we were texting like, does it make sense just to run the ball in the line three times and punt and just have your defense try to win the game versus risking a turnover going backwards? All stuff that happened when he was the quarterback. He ended up he was four for 16 for 47. yards plus a pick he just wasn't ready for this speed in the game miserable interception he wasn't ready it was like they picked him out of the stands and threw him into the game it was really bad by the way dylan gabriel not much better but at least was you know not not a complete detriment and i i mean at one point the announcer said Sanders made one completion and the announcer was like

well he is doing what he does best making plays from the pocket and i was I was like, I was like, what quarterback does that? What quarterback is like bad in the pocket when they have time? Isn't that like part of being a quarterback? That's a, he has chat, GBT. That's like, I have to say something good about this kid. Positive compliments. Here are his stats.

He's four for 16 for 47 yards. Give me a positive statement, I could say. Like, oh, he does, what he's doing from the pocket? Okay. All right, I'll read that. He literally doesn't do anything right because even the game management, they're down seven, completes a pass. There's like 220 left on the clock.

Yeah. And they walk it up to the line. and it just goes to the two-minute warning. It's like, you might have needed that one. You're trying to score a touchdown. It's a try to get one more playoff before the two-minute. But it's just, he just should not be playing. Do you understand he had, do you know how many times he was sacked in two years, Colorado?

Well, this, he was famous for this, right? What do you think? I don't know, it was a lot. It was over 100, right? It was 93, which is plenty. But, and I'm, not, not all his fault, but 50 of them were. Like, I watched a lot of their games. I watched a lot of that conference

and like that's the whole thing. Yeah, his decision making sucks and they're just going to feast on him. Now, granted, he didn't play with the first team. Is the first team very good? I'm not sure, but he didn't play with the first team all week. So I guess we'll see next week

if this concussion holds out. But yeah, that was brutal. And to be fair to Sanders, we get to watch a lot of bad quarterbacks. Yes. This was a case where it actually swung the game when he came in. Oh, yeah.

Because Baltimore did not play well. They didn't look right. It's week 12 next week. They've shown nothing. 17 first downs total. Two Lamar picks. Too many field goals. No explosiveness.

They end up getting the go-ahead touchdown on this gimmick. Fake tush, but great call. Fake tush push. Andrews runs around, runs for like 35 yards. But they don't look like the Ravens at all. And that's why the odds are funny because I think people still feel like they're this Ravens team from like two years ago. Oh, yeah.

They're not even remotely. the same team anymore. Well, they were favorite to win the division when they were like two and five, right? Now they fought back to five and five, and I haven't even checked, but I guess Pittsburgh won. So, yeah, they're minus 280. Like, that's a foregone conclusion that they're going to win that division. I'll tell you what else is a little off. I think Harbaugh is a little off.

Some of his play calling is very strange. Like, as bad as Shador was, they had, I think it was at the eight-yard line. They kicked the field goal to go down three. I was like, freaking go for it there. Like, just go for it. Like, what you, leave Shador Sanders at his own eight, you're going to get the ball back in three real minutes, right? So, and there was another couple of things like that.

But yeah, they're not in sync at all on any level. I mean, I thought Henry could just win that game, right? At some point, it was just like hand off to Henry. He'll bus one open soon. Well, their O-line has been so bad. I almost think they don't trust Henry like they used to. I asked Mallory Rubin, giant Ravens fan for her take. And she said, the great indictment of the late heart.

Barba era continues even in victory. They routinely come out flat and lifeless and unfocused. There's just a discombobulated quality to how they play. That feels pretty damning. It all feels so meh right now. Play calling predictable and flat. Lame obvious runs up the middle. Blah, blah, blah.

She was just like, all the Ravens fans are like, what is happening? How is this the team? We were supposed to be in at least one Super Bowl here in the 2020s. not look like a Super Bowl. That's a team I would want to play in the playoffs because I don't think, unless Lamar is going to have some dramatic athletic recovery. All right. I was also a one for that one.

Next one. Sam Darnold fell apart in a huge game through four picks and became the goat. How improbable was that for you on a scale one to ten? I would say six, actually. I didn't think it would be that bad I was a seven he had sucked me back in this is the third time

he had sucked me back in one of the picks wasn't his fault three of them were and I didn't like the body language and the look on his face after pick three

there was that it just you get in the PTSD from those last two weeks last year and you know pass rush was good it's not like the Rams defense wasn't good

but they weren't that good he just was a mess This is another thing I want to get better at. I do want to give the defense's credit. I feel like we did with Denver and with Philly just now. And I want to do it with the Rams too. But he really did look. Sam Donald looked like a guy named Sam Darnel, like playing quarterback.

He was really to a point where you get a lot of text from people like, is he throwing the game? Oh, Sam Donald's throwing the game. And you know what sucks about like living in this era where there's widespread gambling scandals? Like it becomes the go-to joke. Well, you could just be, yeah, but it's fine if it's. a joke. It's like, yeah, he does look like that. And then you'll have friends like, no, seriously, do you think he's, do you think he's actually

throwing it? But no, it'll fucking think he's too. Stop it already. But this is the time we live in. But yeah, I was actually, but then I was surprised that they came back. You're right. Like Seattle's defense stepped up. That was looking like it was going to be like 38 to 10, right? Yeah, even at the end,

you know, they, the Rams actually got a first down after they got the ball back under three minutes left. And it felt like, oh, this is over. And then they stopped them again and somehow got the ball back, you know, at like the 10 with enough time to move the ball down. And even then, like, Donald was going too slow. I almost feel like we need a nickname for his, maybe you can redeem yourself from Drake, maybe. You go ahead. For him? He's crappy Altarigo in big games, because it's like a fight club thing.

It's like when Ed Norton had the two identities. But I don't know, like, it's like, oh, it's Sam Donald that's in here today, it's blank. I was thinking Spammed Arnold. That's good. Or Stan Darnold's? Or like his evil brother, Vic? I don't know. It needs to be something.

But you kind of know it's just not Sam Donald. I think, right? Scam Donald. That's really good. Yeah, one of those two. Scammed Arnold. That's great. I like it.

Now he's going to the Super Bowl because I said those words. There you go. Fox, after one of the turnovers, they played Give It Away Give it away, give it away, give it away now. The Red Hat Chili Pepper's song. I said that was really good. Stafford's MVP case took a slight hit today. He was a little.

I thought he was favored. I thought Alan jumped him. No, Stafford's plus 170. Oh, Stafford's plus 170. All right. 15 for 2800, 30 yards, two TDs. Yeah. Yeah, maybe second.

Are the Rams the best team in the NFL are you now? Because we thought before this game, whoever wins has a stake to the claim, or would you go Eagles? I think they're the most complete team. I do. I think that's a very, yeah,

it's a very close game if they play the Eagles. But I think they could hang with them because they're tough. And I mean, we saw it last year. They played outdoors. They were in it. They were one like overthrow away from tying it, I think. So in the snow,

I do like them. I did want to point out, this is a weird time we live in, that the Seattle Kicker sets up for a 61, yarder. Yeah, it seems doable. To win the game, seems doable.

Fandle only has the Rams at minus 138. Like, if you went back in time, like five years ago, the Rams would have been minus 300. You know, 10 years ago, it would have been minus... Because he made it.

He made it right before the timeout. Yeah, right. And then they did it again and he missed it. So bizarre that that's only minus 138. What do you think the stats are on that? The guy makes the super long one, but it was called back for a timeout. Has the guy ever made it again?

no no like ever in the history football would you kick it i wouldn't kick it the first time yeah but then you're in like a cat and mouse game because they could fake doing the time out but then not do it and they're like oh shit they didn't call time out oh yeah you got to kick it no i'm saying if you if you got if you see the waving that you know all that you know the play's dead i would pass don't kick it save your kick yeah uh i i what are the conference odds if i was Eagles are plus 230 Rams plus 310. I'd probably take the Eagles because the defense. I mean, the game's, it's going to be in Philly, right?

They're just going to roll up wins. Yeah. I think the East is a much tougher one. One more improbable for you. I like this. Josh Allen had 45.8 fantasy points today. How improbable is that too? Let's go 1 to 10.

I went against him in fantasy and still might win. Oh, that's why you've screened. grabbed it. Oh, wow. Yeah. I said, yeah, yeah. I was like, who's going against Josh Allen? Oh, no, it's me. Yeah. In a week, what I needed to win, 45.8. I don't remember a QB with 45.8. Because you have to run, you have to run a few in, right? Yeah. You need like at least two rushing touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah, I would still give that like a four. I don't know. I had higher hopes for Tampa's defense. That over under was just mashed. They were, they were, they got

The terrible Allen turnover, Keon Coleman gets scratched this weekend, Kincaid's not playing, it was all set up for them. They had the lead a couple of times. They took the lead back maybe three times, and then Buffalo just kind of pulled away. And then, you know, it's funny because we were blowing Mayfield that first month. Oh, just blowing smoke at him. I just feel like he misses throw sometimes now.

He's kind of moved back toward two years ago, Baker a tiny bit. have a list of quarterbacks we think are injured. I was just going to say. Yeah. Like, could Mahomes be injured? Could Mayfield be injured? Could Goths, you know, I think something's wrong with his head. I would believe if you gave me all the QBs and said one of these guys is hiding an injury, Mayfield would be my pick. Baker's number one. Yeah, it's like, oh, he has like a torn labor room or like some sort of really bad injury we don't know about. Because it also seems like he doesn't want to run with the same. Right. Zest. Right. So, like, he has like a hairline fracture of his left collarbone or something like that.

But also, maybe like we, we give a guy like Baker credit who just throws fourth quarter touchdown passes like the, it's nobody's business. And we expect him to do that every week. And so maybe the guy who's been traded six times, it's not going to happen every week. Right.

Yeah, it was even, it was 21, 20 and halftime Buffalo. Yeah. It was 26, 21, halfway through third quarter, Tampa. right um it was 26 24 they had the ball with five minutes left in the third and then that was that's when he threw that pick and then uh yeah it was they were up 32 31 with 13 minutes left right they signed hard men and they he fumbled the punt i mean you're right it was all josh allen it's what mahomes couldn't do like and he was connecting on long passes too like that stuff we hadn't even seen him do.

I don't know where Ernie Shavers came from. We were just calling him Ernie? Ernie Shavers. That's my single, my Instagram algorithm just feeds me a lot of boxing. And please keep it coming. My favorite knockout that wasn't a knockout was Shaver's knocking down Holmes and home she's getting up. I don't think anyone's ever got up from a more ferocious punch ever in the history of the

Heard Division. He goes, he's dead for a second. and then he just gets up. And just was like, how did he get up from that? And Shavers can't believe it. And then Shavers is just throwing these crazy bombs trying to take them out. Holmes somehow gets out of it and wins the fight.

And to me, Ernie Shaver's greatest moment was being the guest referee between Time and Wildfire Rich and Bulldog Buzz Soir. Oh, my God. Gordon solely announcing it, like it's a life-changing event. So Tampa rushes for 202 yards. They ran the ball down, Buffalo. throat. They ran for 5.2

a carry, and they lost, and they lost by double figures. And they lost my Tampa plus 10 and aftase. But I think Tampa is the lead favorite for the to host a Shaky's game on Saturday.

Oh, interesting. Because it's either them or whoever wins the AFC North I think is hosted in the Shaky's game. Well, it's typically an AFC South winner, but that team's good this year. Right? That's going to be the Colts and that might be, I mean, the Colts might be a one seat.

They might not even have a Shaky's game. Right. And it's not going to be the Pats. They'll put the Pats on Saturday night because they always do. Right. And the Chargers, Denver, Chi, they'll get the night game or something. Or they'll get some kind of late game too. It's like Sunday night or something.

It's going to be Tampa. Can I just say this? Tampa Green Bay Shaky's game. Your freaking team is 7 and 1 is crazy. I don't think you could put a team that allowed 200 yards on the ground. And it wasn't a surprise to, like, the Bundo and Hafeitz were talking about it. Like, this Syracuse Tucker guy, he's going to run for triple digits. Like, all right, guys, calm down.

This is their team right now. Like, I don't know if you could put them at the top of the AFC, odds-wise. I don't think you can. I don't think you can't even if they'd be as many yards rushing. It's too easy. I genuinely think the Patriots would beat them in a playoff game. I just think we'd move the ball up and down the field on them. And then Josh would have to basically do what he did today to hang with,

the Pats. I think there's other teams that would be a bad matchup but I think Buffalo is a good matchup for them. All right, another one. Justin Herbert got knocked out of a Chargers game

and suffered a possible concussion. What was the improbable skill for you on this one? Because for me it was a one because you could see this coming last week and they can't block for him anymore and he was taking fucking massive hits and there's just no way

he's making it through the season, I don't think. I'll give it a two, but, I mean, your guy kind of plays the same brand of the ball, doesn't he? Who? I can't say his name. Drake, maybe, yeah? I think May gets way better protection than this Chargers thing. This Chargers thing was bad today.

These guys were, like, running 12, like, basically running 10-yard dashes, just hitting him as he's throwing it. They're plus 134 in Fandle to miss the playoffs right now, and I don't see the case for them making it. Really? They're 7 and 4. They have Vegas at home next week.

So let's give them that one, 8 and 4. But then they play Philly, at KC, at Dallas, Houston, at Denver. I don't think they get to 10 wins. At Dallas, Houston, that's two. They should win two games. Not if they're going to block like they block today. No, I know.

It was bad today. It was bad. And the injuries are no good and everything else. And by the way, you can run the ball down their throats. It's not like they have a good defense. Like, I know they have offensive live injuries, but what's the excuse for the defense? What was the excuse for Jacksonville just demolishing them? And it was like Etienne and Tootin.

They're just like running all over them. I took that game off. I didn't even have that game on a TV by the end. It was like 35 to 6. There was seven early games. And what would you, like the other six all came down to like the last four minutes at least. That one was gone. I think some of the networks left it too.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they look good against the Steelers, though. I don't like to react this way, right? Like, what's different about that? And yet, like, every week, it's funny. I was saying in the pregame show, we talk about Joe Alt for like four minutes. The guy never touches the ball.

And yet it does, today, it really reared its ugly head. How good he is and how good that line is. Rogers was horrible. Like, Rogers was like Sanders today. Like, he was so bad, it almost didn't give Pittsburgh a chance. And I wonder if that kind of threw people off the scent. I love the Jags today. That was one of my favorite picks.

Herbert murdered my guillotine league. I think I'm done. I think I'm done. I got like four points from him. I think you're done too. He was brought into the blue tent and interrogated by authorities for what he did to my fantasy team leading up to that moment. Meanwhile, the Jags, we got to shout them out in our continuing quest to not just talk about one team. It's a pretty nice win.

They had a terrible loss last week, right? kind of lost you have that Davis-Mills game where your season made Crater and instead it went the other way. And so now they have, what are they set? They're seven and four now. But they still have Arizona and Tennessee

and the Jets left, like in Tennessee again. Like they're making the playoffs now. This is why we like them. I know. So what are they to make the playoffs? I was looking, where are they?

They are minus one. 180 to make the playoffs now. It's not a bad bet. I think they can get to 11 wins. Such a weird team. Well, if they get to 11 wins, then that's at least one of the bars.

The Chargers somehow get to 11 wins, which I don't think they will. Then that means the chiefs basically have to get to 11 wins. I just, you know, the Jags gave up 29 points to Davis Mills in the fourth quarter last week. You know, it's always, I was trying. trying to make a case for them. Like, this is maybe one of the top five wins of all time,

even though they beat the Chargers in a great playoff game. And then, like, wow, they made the AFC championship three times. But I still think this was better. They almost had us. Yeah. Yeah. And heading in that fourth quarter was like, oh, my God. Was it by 10?

Did they have you by double digits at some point? I think they're up by 10. It was like, wow, Blake Bortles is going to end us. Last one. Jacoby Brissette was 45 for 57 for 452. 452 yards and two touchdowns and still didn't cover any 18-point teas. How is that for improbable? I'm going to 10.

I'm going to go with a solid 10. The second part is a one. Didn't he have 47? Did you say 45? He was 47 for 57 for 452 yards. And they had the classic guy about to run in for the touchdown getting stripped of the goal line, which I've now bet on that team. I think all five times it's happened this season.

I don't know what it is. But San Francisco's defense is completely fraudulent. Like completely. And that's a team that their seven and four may, it might be a playoff team. Right? Well, that was our seventh seed. I'm sticking with that.

I'm sticking with them. Their defense is awful. Their next four is the easiest schedule in football. And then their last three is the hardest, I think. So this was a perfect tune-up for Purdy. By the way, they got a lot of calls here. I think the penalties were like 130 to 15 or something.

So they were better. They'll push teams like this around. Offensively, they look the best they've looked. But they do have Carolina next week. Then they go to at Cleveland the Sunday after Thanksgiving, which we've now, I just don't think that's an easy game. I don't care how easy it looks on the schedule. There's nothing easy about it.

And they also have at Indianapolis and home Seattle end of the year. it's going to be either 10 or 11 for them. Should Shanahan give Brissette a game ball? Should they like walk to the other locker room? I didn't see the press conference, but 47 completions. My God. Yeah, that's a lot. All right, I think that's it.

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Cross-off teams. Jets Brown, Tennessee, Miami, Saints, Vegas, Giants. it's seven. Arizona, Washington, Sincey. Can we add Sincey? That's 10. Yeah, yeah. Would you put Minnesota on yet? I think I put Atlanta in before Minnesota.

That was my other question. I think Atlanta's in. Because Minnesota still plays a couple of these teams more. I don't know if they are, but I think Atlanta is. Whose Fandle hate more? Atlanta. They do. Yeah, they should. They suck.

And we see every week we say, let's just take them off the left. ledger of bets. And then I'm like, oh, they have the second best defense. I'm like the just, just awful. Just, I mean, they ought to be a shame. If they come close to making the playoffs, which I don't think they will, they got skunked by the Panthers. And then the rematch, they gave up 448 yards to Bryce Young.

And three TDs and no picks. Yeah. And Carolina is now a half game back in the NFC. South. Come on. What did the Bundo say today in the shows, 18-1? Yeah. At one point, the Panthers to win the division? Division.

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I'm on. Joe House gave out a 50 to one winner today with Kenneth Gainwell to score two touchdowns. Come on, people. That was 50 to one? Fifty to one. Wow. Maniac. Can I mention a quick Atlanta thing?

Sure. Atlanta's been the team that I think has burned us the most this year. They're in the running. This decade, yeah. They traded next year's number one for the 26 pick because they wanted to get the two pass rushers because they were like, look how smart we are. We loaded up on the pass rush. They're three and seven.

They traded that pick to the Rams. Right. The Rams have Atlanta's pick, and that's going to be like the seventh pick in the draft. Like, what an amazing trade. They basically gave up number 26, got a second rounder, and Atlanta's first. I mean, that's a fireable trade. And the basketball, the guy's getting fired. I don't know how the NFL works.

Howie Roseman will steal that pick somehow when no one's looking. Yeah, somehow that's going to be in Philadelphia. I mean, those pass rogers are good. Their defense is usually good. That's why I picked them today. but not the, I mean, fourth and four, up 2419, under two minutes left,

and Young hits Bryce Tremaine. Like, that's how they're losing these games. Ugh, you can tell that's where I lost my money. Why would you bet the Falcons? I don't know. I don't know. And the Panthers are what, 360 to make the playoffs? They're not making it.

The Falcons, they're this year's Champaign Room stripper that the buddy's gone. she likes me. Yeah. It's the Falcons. Two more things really quick. Mason Rudolph replaced Rogers midway through and Easy Steelers went over the Bengals and I didn't even realize it happened. It was on one of my TVs. The Steelers game was so forgettable and so kind of blah that I didn't realize there was a quarterback change for like a half hour. So that happened. I also forgot Texans Titans was even happening early and didn't realize until I wanted to get out of the 35 to 6 game. and saw there was a seventh game, which I'd forgotten.

I was like, oh, Texan Titans had put no thought of it, had nobody on it. You didn't know it was early? You didn't know it was on the schedule. I forgot it was on. And it wasn't in when I looked at YouTube TV. I didn't see it. Oh, even they. And I just, so I did catch the Big Cam Ward Drive,

which I think was the best moment in his career. But if that doesn't describe that game, I don't know what does. You know, when we're talking about, like, getting alerts on our phone, like House has a thing now if the Wizards are up double digits in the fourth, we should get an alert on our phone from Fandall so that we can know immediately like the Titans were favored in the second half. Like your phone should

it should literally blow up after 10 seconds if you don't do anything about it. It should shake and it's hilarious. Yeah. Last one is Miami in the Europe game, which I'm so proud. Not only do I not bet on anymore, I don't even wake up till halftime anymore. Like they can have their shitty

whatever Miami-Washington matchup. woke up at halftime put you guys on and had the game on the small left team with no left TV with no sound Miami is now 4 and 7 and they have New Orleans

and the Jets next and I thought I was going to win every Miami under I had and now I have to sweat out Miami under 6 and a half but they had an overtime interception where they deferred

they won the toss that overtime and they deferred in a 10 minute overtime And then Jordan Brooks, the linebacker, said Jack Jones said before the overtime interception, if you all stop the run, Marriota is going to throw it to me because he can't throw. And then Jack Jones picked off Marriota in overtime after telling his teammates he was going to. That's amazing.

What a show off. Marcus Marriota, everybody. He's done it again. He's still making history. So maybe he was the worst quarterback today. Think about it, like how exhausted defenses are in overtime. And they choose to go on defense first. They could get another seven-minute breather, you know,

if the other team gets a couple first downs. Yeah, it's like a special level of being a mediocre to worst quarterback that a team would defer to and give you the ball in overtime. Yeah. It's like the number one thing you wanted to do. I mean, we were doing the pregame. So my takeaways where nobody could score on fourth and goal from the one. And Tua wants to play in Jerusalem now.

So that's all I got from that. That's what he said. Miami got stuff twice on two different four. fourth and goals and some else still won. So we have four two lost teams the Patriots, the Broncos, the Rams

and Philly. I don't think any are cross-offs. No cross-off side of those. Five two lost teams. And then we still in the east, I mean, I'm sorry, in the AFC, let's say New England, Denver, Indy Buffalo, I'll make it.

That's four. Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and the Chargers are all six and four, Baltimore and KC and Houston, five and five. So there's a lot of people left in the AFC. Why do we, it's so funny, none of those two lost teams are just,

are the ones we're used to. If I got, all right, the bills are two. The bills are minus 3,000 to make the playoffs. I want to do a parlay with the bills, the Ravens, and the Chiefs. It's minus 102. Do you lose that parley? Bills, who, and the Chiefs?

Bill's Ravens Chiefs. I don't trust the Ravens. Wow. I wouldn't put them in. Who's going to steal the division from them? Maybe the Steelers. Mason Rudolph? The Ravens are trying to tell us they're not good.

Every week, they're really, they're spelling it out, they're holding up signs. We're not that good. I've not seen any signs. All right. Guess the lines. You won last week. Yeah. I'm going to keep winning.

You get a good week? No, I don't think so. Okay. There's some monster lines in here that I did not get right. Thursday night is a surprisingly good game. Bill's Texans in Houston. It's a winner. Josh Allen's not going to have six touchdowns in this one, I don't think.

He will not. Houston secondary is very, very, very, very, very good. I'm interested to see if Texans can run the ball in this game. I have the bills minus three. All right. I get it. I said three and a half. It's four and a half.

That's too high. Sorry, it's three and a half. It moved down, but either way, I got it. Okay, that's not as high. Yeah. Three and a half is fine. That's a really good Thursday night game. Well, so he'll be back, right?

Stroud? I don't know. He doesn't play on Sunday. How is he going to play on Thursday? No. I don't know if that's a really good game. I'm going to play him. Sunday marquee game, pretty obvious.

We're going to Casey. Chiefs Colts. Daniel Jones and Patrick Bahams get to renew the rivalry. It's either minus three or minus three and a half. I went with the cheap's minus three. Just take it. Whatever you got. I said two and a half.

It is three and a half. Okay. Hmm. Winnable game for the Colts. I think they can run the ball on them. Fresh off a buy. Yeah. A lot of pressure.

I actually like that. the Chiefs are home for this because I think if anything bad happens, the crowd's going to fucking get very spinkered tighty. Almost would rather be on the road if I'm the Chiefs. That's a really good game. Great game. It's an early game, huh? Is that an OK Jim game?

It might be an OK Jim. Yeah, of course. Okay, Jim. Only have two watchables. Chicago at home for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Unclear if Rogers is playing. He had a slight fracture in his wrist. Yeah, that's his left.

wrist. It's saying it's some kind of, and that's the wrist he uses to jerk off to UFOs. So I don't even know, I could see him not playing. I don't know that to be true. That's just a guess. It's just a rumor. Yeah. I have the Bears favored by three at home against the Stewards.

You nailed it. I went low. Yeah, I went one and a half. It is three. It's exactly three. That seems like Mason Rudolph. You know what this is? This is the horseshoe up the asshole, Super Bowl.

right they should start marketing that way it's two teams that have just pulled horseshoes out of their fucking rectums for three straight months you know is there any now it's a horseshoe battle of course there's like rivalry with rogers and the bears right like we own them that all that stuff he would say so it's probably better off the Steelers go with mason rudolph a score to settle there oh they was actually oh no i'm thinking a trubisket never mind I think it's fine to get Chubisky confused with the other guy you did it. I just spent hours with my father. I'm like, please, why, don't turn it?

Yeah, we're going to go through the weekend you had in a little bit. This is an amazing performance by you, just to be coherent on the Sunday iPod. Eagles at Dallas, your favorite team. I don't know about that. You can be 5-5-1 after this game. Oh, stop. nonsense there. I'm so mad at this line.

I put this line, I fucking rammed it into the Vegas zone. Like dead center minus five, Vegas zoned it up. Well, I said six because that's where it should start. Because one's a very good team that we think is going to win the conference. Arguably.

And one is a team that doesn't belong in either conference. And it's three and a half. So you get it. Wow. I mean, they're full of shit with this. That feels a little too low. Three and a half. By the way,

can I just go as good as the late games were this week? Yeah. Next week, late afternoon. Browns, Raiders, Jags, Cardinals, Falcon, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles. Oh, my Lord. If the Eagles go up like 13-0,

it's a poop fact, a special. Really bad. Yeah. Fairly watchable. It only have three. Pat's at Bengals. Bengals, wow.

It's not a good football team. They're not, that's why I love Pittsburgh today. That defense is just, eventually you'll get to them, 117 points in three games before this. This is watchable because their defense allows nice,

big plays for you. I have the Patriots. So I put some thought into this one. I think it's going to be Patriots minus six and a half. Hmm. What is it? I said eight.

That's seven. Why is it seven? You're the best team in the universe. Why is this since he loses to everybody? I think you can throw in the pads. You could throw on them? Oh. Yeah.

I think they can, I just think they can hang around in this game. I mean, it's going to have to be flag. You don't give up 60-yard rush games, right? So it's going to have to be all flacko. Jags at Cardinals. And the Jags are going to be favored. And this is a classic. Let's be careful out there on the Jags.

Trusting them, betting real money on them, assuming that they're going to just cruise through this. I would just be careful all the way around. I have Jags minus three. All right. You get it. I said one and a half and it's two and a half. I'm cashing out now.

I'm sorry, Jacoby. Jacoby's my biggest fan and Guest Alliance. I don't like the way this is going. You tap it out? Just tap out? I'm a cash out, I think. I guess it's the same thing.

You like this? Lots of easy games. Do you see the UFC fights last night? I missed them, no. I didn't get the same. The last two, which were great. Yeah. Well, the last two were supposed to

like these great championship fights just like, oh, you knew in two minutes what was going to happen in each one. Mm-hmm. Just the, the, uh, the female fight, just domination, then Islam, just domination. Yeah.

Just domination. The guy is like, I just don't know what you would do if you had to fight him in the octagon. I don't know what, he lones you to sleep. He does stand up. You're like, oh, cool, we're going to do. And then all of a sudden you're on the ground on your back. And you're like, wait, I thought we were doing stand-up.

And he just does it every round. Yeah. That's what you're saying. This is like you beat me in Guess the Alliance? I could see that. I'm Islam. Yeah, domination. Not good.

Packers, Vikings in Green Bay. And I think this goes into Vegas zone as well. I have Packers minus five and a half. All right, I had five and a half also. It's six and a half. You see any teasers you like, New England and Green Bay? Hard to think J.J. McCarthy is going to go into Lambo and do anything. But what I know?

Five poopfecta games. It's never a good sign for the weekend. Lines, home for the Giants. I put that in double figures, lines minus 10 and a half. Too low? That's the one I have to steal from you. I said 11. It's 10 and a half.

You're looking at these ahead of time. You know, you're not supposed to look at these ahead of time. We do, look at these. Your guess, and then we check, you know, versus your guess. We cross-reference. Don't look at them. Falcons at the Saints. how embarrassing is it that the Falcons are favored in this game

because I think they are I'm going to say Falcons minus two and a half oh come on that's what I said it is two and a half we both get it anyone who bets on this game should see a psychiatrist stay in away except it's probably the best four o'clock game it's this is go see a psychiatrist if you're betting this game Raiders Browns in Vegas yeah so this is the road Browns who are terrible always possibly with Shador And I still don't think the Raiders are favored by three.

I said Raiders, two and a half. I had two and a half also. It is three. Hmm. Is this an FU game for Shador? Like Vegas passed on them like six times. I mean, everybody passed on them like four times. But they remember they had like back to back picks.

I think every game's an FU gave for them. The whole thing passed out of them over and over again. They had that spot where they had like three picks and like added 25 and they, yeah. Everybody thought they would take them. Seems like everybody was right. Ravens home for the Jets this has to be double figures

Ravens minus it's in Baltimore I have Ravens minus 10 and a half okay I get this I said 13 it's 14 and a half yeah that's stupid I mean I get it but I just don't think the Ravens are explosive enough

to carry a line that big what is the evidence they settle for field goals over and over again yeah the Jets aren't like Jets aren't terrible. Like, they hung around with the Pats, I thought.

They're coming on 10 days of rest. They scored, and then they were dumb. Even against Cleveland, they had two kick returns, punt return, and then they were done. They just, they can't, maybe second half is the way to play this. Fields is like, because you watch him, you're like, oh, man, if he was only accurate, he'd be really good.

I was thinking it's like, if it was a stand-up comedian who had everything except none of the jokes were funny. Right, right, right. Like, ah, if your jokes were funny, you'd be fucking awesome, man. Everything else is so good. Yeah, right? And just each punchline sucks. You twist balloon animals like no one's business.

Yeah, like everything looks so good up there. The way you handle the stage, like, I like your outfit. Seahawks Titans is in Tennessee. And I really wanted to give this the 10 and a half, but I went 9 and a half for the Seahawks. Seahawks, 9.5. I did give it 10.5. And that was way light. It's 12.5.

Oh, my Lord. Let me just do something for fun here. Count the wins? No, I lost already. But if you do... You're doing a 13-pointer? Yeah, because... 14-13 pointer?

Oh, man. Seahawks, Ravens. I think you have to do the 13-pointer. Because it's minus 265 if you just take the 3-4. favorites there. That's no good. That's not going to get it. Maybe I had the Packers. Sunday night is a decent game in there, so.

Yeah. Oh, Mike, we finally got a decent game. Ram's. Screw this up, Baker. Rams home for the bucks. I have Rams minus six and a half against the bucks. That's exactly freaking right.

It went up. It was six, and it went to six and a half. I had four and a half. You get that. poor baker it does seem like a tough game every time doesn't he play in a terrible division when does he ever play his own shitty uh division made this is his first play schedule right yeah i guess i was just hitting them hard at once here so we have who the panthers play oh they're on monday night that's the next game um i mean tampa's minus 600 they're just got to keep losing and it doesn't really matter well how about this to win the division if the rams beat the buck

on Sunday, the Panthers could be playing for first place in San Francisco on Monday night, a team that you can throw the ball on. That's insane. I mean, I was looking at, what are they, to make the playoffs, they're plus 360, the Panthers. What are they for the division? Division there plus 500. How could that be? They're not going to make the playoffs.

They're not the division. Maybe I got that backwards. but their games are they screw that up yeah they but wait hold on what are their uh i saw their games now i'm holding this up whatever they're not making it there you go you see that's it's how i did that no wait a minute where is it i had the whole i have this today you do who is it oh okay they have the bucks twice the rams and the seahawks and they're six and five so they have to win four games bucks twice rammed seahawks well it's interesting is they have the bucks in week 16 at home and then the bucks at tampa and week 18

so if they're within a game oh so you're saying they could win a take a wild card that's interesting no i i don't think they have any chance to take the wild card i think they can win the division though oh well then the bucks will play hard that week that 18 yeah yeah yeah no can't do it uh i have the nineers favored by five and a half against carolina um now i'm in san francisco You get, whatever. It's seven. I have five.

Don't do the whatever. Then it makes it less fun for me to beat you. I don't like you. I don't like you. Whatever's. God, I needed to win three in a row. You won 116 and you're up eight four on the year. Can't have the clinches.

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We're doing a special parent corner this week. We're not going to talk about our parents. We're going to talk about our friend Quito. So go ahead. Oh, all right. Well, uh, he, Clito Escobito. Well, I've known him since I was six. He's, uh, my cousin, Jimmy's best friend. And he was the band leader for 23 years. And, um, he grew up, Jimmy grew up across the street from Clito. And, uh, he had a very cool, he was very cool growing up. First of all, he played the saxophone like no one's business. His voice was amazing. It's standing ovations in like high school and college and any, anytime he went on tour. And, uh, He was like a womanizer at like 10 years old and just a true rock star. And Jimmy and I would listen to him like, I spoke at the memorial. And I was like, it was like an alien going through his fitness regime.

Like we had no idea what he was talking about, tongue kissing girls and everything. And then he's like, he actually is a rock star. He like toured with Paul Abdul and like Paul Abdul's greatest song, Forever Your Girl, the best part of her greatest song, like, girl, you know, I love you. And I always will. Sorry, Cleto, I didn't do you. That was Clito, not on the record. Yeah, Clito sang it.

But when they were on tour, they would do it. And he toured with Paul Abdul and Mark Anthony before Jimmy brought him on. And just the greatest guy. Yeah, I don't know how much you wanted. When Jimmy was friends of them initially, Clito was a little bit older. Yeah. And you said in your, you said in your tribute, he was like your Mexican Fonzie. He was like just way cool.

You guys were just learning every single thing about life from him. So three years when your kids is like 20 years. Oh, yeah. Like somebody's like so far ahead in so many different ways. And he kind of adopted everybody. Jimmy was following him. He was a catcher in Little League. Jimmy was a catcher.

He played, Jimmy couldn't play the sax. So he played the clarinet, but he wanted to be in the band, you know? So yeah, there was that. He was super cool. I said he had like this beta max because his father, who also a great sax player, gave up his career so he could help raise Clito with his mom in Las Vegas and became a butler in Caesar's palace and became Sammy Davis Jr.'s personal butler, because Sammy had known his band, and Sammy became friends with the family, gave him this beta

max, and we'd watch old fights on it. You talk about Larry Holmes and all of them, but even like Muhammad Ali was his favorite. And it was just everything was cool about him. It was just like a rock star for his whole life. And I mean, I don't know. I could tell a million stories, but like I spoke for like 600 people. Yeah, we had, there's a mass, and then there was a whole memorial service that was about as high of a production as you're going to get from a memorial service. Incredible. Jimmy's staff went overboard for three days, did this whole two-hour tribute,

had like this 15-minute highlight video of all these different things from the show with Cleto, and then a bunch of speakers. All of whom were great. You did an awesome job. I was really proud of you. Thank you. Michael McDonald came out. Michael, yeah. Jimmy comes out at the end. It's like we wanted to get a special musical guest

and couldn't believe this person was going to come out and do this. I'm just sitting in my seat. Like I'm ready for literally any musician. And then Michael McDonald, one of my all-time favorites came out and sang something for Clito. He sang the song piece. He was so great. And like my cousin Jonathan, who also spoke, he was great, said, like, you know, we're telling all these stories about Clito and women and his poor wife is there. And it's like it was all before he met her and everything But she has to go through this and hear it's not bad enough. But she, and we're talking about it in Clito. And then he took this girl to a place called the Soak and Polk.

And it's like, and then it's like Michael McDonald's coming. It was like my cousin John that said like it was like the adult entered the room. He's like, okay, guys, I'm going to tell you about death. And I'm going to tell you about that. And he spoke fondly about Cleod. He had an unbelievable speech. It was like just off the cuff, had this unbelievable speech about life. And then he sang a song called peace.

And it was like, a two-hour thing. Then everybody went to next door to Jimmy's where Jimmy films the show and the backstage. It was like 700 people there and a bunch of our friends catered a bunch of the food like Chris Bianco. And it was basically almost everybody

who worked for the show in the last 23 years. It was really weird. Like seeing people like KP, our friends like just that grew up in the green room and like here they are. And it was just like a terrible occasion to gather for. But it was really like, or your life, like, flash before your eyes.

Like that, wow, that was like 25 years ago. And everybody was, I know when people die, it's obviously, you're always like, I can't believe this happened. But Cleto was 59. And, you know, what else do we have to say? Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, I'm getting choked up. So I'm going to let you keep talking about.

I like this. I never seen that you're vulnerable like this. I mean, you know, he died on my uncle Frank's birthday. And my uncle Frank died on his birthday. Like, my uncle Frank died. first obviously and so um and that's just amazing and just you know this it's one of a hundred coincidences and another coincidence is the cowboys our favorite team i would go with him to oxnard you know like you know that's what not bad enough that we had to watch them on tv an hour and 40

minutes away in oxnard they set up training camp during the summer and we'd watch them from behind a fence and uh we'd walk away like yeah they're going to be good this year and they're all always bad it's terrible always shaking our heads on mondays and uh but anyway the Cowboys are in Vegas tomorrow where he grew up laying three and a half points and I urged everyone in the crowd to bet $10,000 on the Cowboys because that's how Clito would want it.

Like I said, I don't care your financial situation. Just if you love Clito, I don't think they'll take us up on it. Well, his two teams were the Dodgers and the Cowboys. Yeah. One of them came to. He really, it looked like he was going to make it a few weeks ago and then kind of rallied back

a little bit and rallied back and was watching all those. Dodger games and they had that amazing run they win the world series but yeah um you know that the some of the stuff about talking about family and how close that family was um his dad was you know he's been in the band the entire time and did it hasn't missed was there in the show at the day after he died it's going to be in the yeah in the show on monday right it's you know it's i can't even look at him it's just so sad he is the nicest guy in the world right and uh forget forgetting even about the backstory of what he gave up to, you know, and then Jimmy brings them together

for 23 years. They're playing side by side. But I have to say, it freaks me out, just time going by. We saw the montage. I think you and I talked about it. Like, he was a little older than us when the show started. And now he's his little old man, right, in his 80s. Cledo, right? Clito, senior, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I can't say enough about those people. It's very sad. obviously of the kids and the wife and then the extra layer of the parents who were I mean this family would they'd call each other when they weren't working

together like every 20 minutes to see like none of them thought the other was a pain to ass about it that was just how they operated you know so yeah it was weird talking to different people about it yesterday because you know when we all started with the show I don't know

I was I was 32 how old were you were like you're younger than basically 30 or 31 yeah We had a lot of people who were in their 20s. We had people in their early 20s. Like, Dana's wife was 22. Right. You know, and you see all those pictures. And in some ways, it was a million years ago.

And then in other ways, it wasn't. Right. You know, so. I want to say something about his dad, but I'm not going to get through it. So I'm going to move on. Let's wrap up. I want to do, man. I try to think of some sort of terrible Ben's story that I could tell to loosen.

I don't have anything. My kids were very upset. They don't have, I think that was their first funeral. And they don't like it. They're not fans. It turns out funers are fun. We should mention his daughter went up. How old is his daughter?

14, 13? She's like 16 now, Jesse. 16, yeah, yeah. She went up and gave a really great, I just don't know how she did it. There was like a thousand people there. I would have been completely terrified, but talked about, you know, I don't know, really talked to elk only about her dad. Like you are with Joey with the sports.

Like she was like, yeah, you know. She's like, yeah, she's a singer and she's got the bug and they had that in common. And yeah, you're right. Let's end this. Uber Eats is like, what happened? Today's parent corner is presented by Uber Eats. Get almost anything for game day like your favorite game day foods, drinks and snacks on Uber Eats. The official on demand delivery partner of the NFL order.

So I think the band's going to keep going. Quito Sr. is going to still be in the band. Amazing. And the show is going to be on Monday. I don't know. And then you had, you had to prepare. We had you had to prepare to speak in front of 1,500 people yesterday. You had to host the show that we have, this gambling show in the morning,

watch football, and then do this. I don't know how you did it. It's all right. I'm going to go to bed for three and a half days after this. That's how I did it. So the irony of all of this. is Quito, Vegas guy, Cowboys' favorite team,

and then tomorrow the Cowboys are at Vegas. That's it. There's been a lot of weird signs in the last couple of days, including Jimmy said there was a rainbow where he lives this morning and a whole whole bunch of weird stuff. His birthday was 823,

so I'm betting, I'm going to bid all the weird coincidence of not. 823 adds to 31. Cowboys 31 exact points is 11 to 1. So at least do that if you're not going to bet the 10,000 on them. I feel like the Cowboys will win tomorrow.

I do like that. All right, let's wrap it up. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. Thanks to you, Sal. Good to see you. Good job by you, as always. Good job by you, buddy. Must be 21 plus in President Select States for a

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