The Bill Simmons Podcast - Philly’s Not Special, Trubiskoholics Anonymous, Fun QBs and 2010s Yankees Misery with Cousin Sal and JackO | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to talk Cowboys-Eagles, Lamar Jackson running all over the Seahawks, another Trubisky meltdown, Colts-Texans, and more (2:16), before guessing the NFL lines for Week 8 (44:52). Finally, Bill calls up JackO to discuss a decade of the Yankees missing the World Series (1:27:28). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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but given the dramatic Yankees loss this weekend, we had to call Jacko, So we did that tonight as well. He is going to be on at the end of this podcast. Right now, we're bringing in the cuz. Hey, Google, call Cousin Sal. Calling Cousin Sal, mobile. Hello, who's this? What's happening? what's going on man uh you're in brooklyn how much how much uh how much pizza how many bagels what's what's the food tally so far

i'm not there yet with the pizza and bagels i just got here late last night uh jimmy took us to some swanky restaurant in Williamsburg, which didn't have pizza, but it had pretzel encrusted pork schnitzel. I was like, I'm in on that. I took a bow and took a bite in honor of house. Then today, it was

all pub food because I had all my buddies at the bar. I'll go crazy with the pizza. Good day for you. Cowboys win. A lot of good stuff happening. What was the highlight of the day for you? That was it, right? That was pretty good. That was a pretty good ass-kicking. Going into the

bye, we needed it. I can't say anything bad about them, really. I guess the Eagles' defense, their secondary was worse off than everyone thought because Dak just had his way with that team. And they ran for a first down, threw for a first down whenever they needed to. And they came up playing big on defense.

And Jason Garrett didn't figure into it. And that's all you want from a Cowboys game. And now they have the lead going into the bye. Yeah, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I thought that was a way worse Eagles loss than a good Cowboys win. Because, you know, now the Eagles, they're in a situation, six of the seven games,

they've fallen behind by 10 plus early, which was my one fear with them. They have a way of like fighting back in these games and they tried to do it today and couldn't get going, but it feels like something's really wrong with that team. And I'm at the point mentally where the fact that Doug Peterson outcoached Bill Belichick in a Super Bowl, it's going to start keeping me awake at night soon. So it just is. Let's not forget Doug Peterson guaranteed victory or whatever.

He said, we're going to win this game. I think as soon as the game was over last week, whatever atrocious loss they had last week. So I don't know. A lot of credit, Doug Peterson. I had SportsCenter on after the game and Jerry Jones was being interviewed by reporters, which I always think is hilarious when the owner is being interviewed.

So what'd you think in the box there on third quarter and blah, blah, blah? What good outcome is there from a Jerry Jones interview? I guess there's good outcomes for the media, but for the Cowboys, what good can come out of a Jerry Jones interview And I guess there's good outcomes from, for the media, but for the Cowboys, what good can come out of a Jerry Jones interview after a win? I can't think of anything. None,

none. And like, I think I said last week, at least he's consistent. He always says he's not firing Jason Garrett and he never, ever fires Jason Garrett. But I will say like the weird thing with the, with the quarterback,

with Pratt Prescott, boy, it really, whatever the wind's blowing is people's opinion is like, he beats up on the Dolphins, he beats up on the Redskins, and they're like, oh, you got to give him $40 million. Give him whatever he wants. I know you just signed Zeke, but you have to give Dak whatever he wants.

Then he loses badly to the Packers. He loses to the Jets, and it's like, phew, good thing Jerry waited. And then today he has a good game, and Collinsworth's like, I think he's got to have a cup of coffee with Jerry sometime soon. I know. Can we just wait to see what happens by the end of the year? Maybe he's worth $33 million and not $40, not $30. I don't know.

He did look good today. The ball was coming out. Zeke looked good. That was about as good of a Cowboys performance as you're going to get. Collinsworth is never really that critical, but went as far as he could possibly go with the Eagles near the end where he's like,

I just expected a little more from the Eagles tonight. Which for him is like, you know, an absolute assassination. I agree with him though. It's a Sunday night game. Doug Peterson.

I think he's just dining on this Belichick win. That's it. I think this is just the, he's kind of done it now. He's, he's walked it. It's funny. I had a Jeff Chow who,

uh, the ringer president is an Eagles fan. He emailed Sean. He texted Sean fantasy jets fan and was like, that was an awful three hours. Is this what's being, is this what being a Jets fan is like? I thought that was mean. I don't know.

I feel like he might need to apologize later, especially because things are turning out. Um, all right. So I have a few things to throw at you. First of all, the NFC East record right now is 10 and 18. Wow. Is it that bad? Yeah, I guess it is. You're 6-14 outside of your division. There's only one division worse record-wise, can you guess?

The division that's worse than that is, well, the Saints have a good record. Otherwise, I was going to say South. It's not the AFC West. Wait, let me get this. It's not your division because the Bills are a fraudulent five-in-one team. Jesus, there's eight divisions. How can you not get this? All right, all right.

Brad. It's, oh, it's got AFC North. Yeah. AFC North is 9-17 and 5-13 in outside division games. The Ravens are 5-2 and have now a two and a half game lead in the AFC North. And I think they were actually the big winner today because I thought they were the good bad team. The team that just beats the other bad teams. That was a A-plus professional win by them in Seattle.

And now, you know, they have a chance to be potentially a three seed, maybe even a two seed if there's some AFC West wackiness. Their defense looked about as good as it's looked all season. I think Marcus Peters is fool's gold, but he did play well today. Most important, Lamar Jackson went into a really difficult place to play and had five or six holy shit plays in that game. Did you watch that game? Because I thought he was awesome.

I told you last week, I don't think you made it at the marquee match. I was like, oh, this should be it. You can't take your eyes off for either of these quarterbacks. This is the game to watch. And Lamar Jackson, I felt like he heard us and said, you know what? I'm going to prove that I'm better than Russell Wilson this year. And not only that, the door's wide open for the MVP. I'm vaulting to the top two or three right here. I'm making it my game. And he did. He really did. Seattle's another team that was just kind of lucky. I think I said the last eight games,

one point games, they've won all of them and they've won very close ones this year. And we, we weren't sure what to make of it. Obviously the Rams one was very close, but I'm not going to take anything away from the Ravens. They kicked ass. They're the second best right now in the AFC.

Well, as you know, I love to compare everything to the NBA. And we did, I remember like a year ago, we did a whole Mahomes-Curry thing. The similarities with them, not just with how exciting and unique Mahomes was and how it resembled when Curry's career really started to take off in 2012-13, but that they were ushering in what felt like this new era of football. And I don't think Lamar is doing that.

But what he was doing today reminded me of a basketball game when one guy is just really feeling it. You know, a really close back and forth game. And then somebody's like, oh my God, he just hit a 28 footer. Oh my God, he just went through five guys. The crazy thing was, and I watched the entire game. I don't know how many drops they had, but Andrew's dropped at least three easy 15 yard passes.

And they had a couple other jobs, but I didn't even feel like his receivers really even played that well. He was just so good. They couldn't lose. Yeah. Right. Like I honestly, like he,

I have to give him credit because in this day and age, like we've seen enough of the RG3s of the world and who else? The running quarterbacks. Cam Newton was a running quarterback. Steve Young. These guys get hurt. And Lamar Jackson doesn't care. He's taken off. His goal is to have 150 yards rushing a game. like that's minimal for him and it's like oh boy i'm like watching a guy who's now playing without a helmet you know i've seen so many times it's been proven that this is not going to work or this is not going to last and damn it he's going to win this way and uh really i really like i go i go crazy when clay travis shows stats about quarterback ratings and how lamar i was like don't show his quarterback rating right he's a running quarterback and there's nothing wrong to say about that you know know, he wins games like that, and he puts up phenomenal numbers on the ground. So can't discredit that. I don't want to say he's the best running quarterback I've ever seen, because I think we've seen a lot of them.

I've never seen a quarterback more in control of situations that usually when we see a quarterback in them, you're like, oh, my God, this guy's going to get killed. Or, oh my God, you should slide. Or what are you doing? Why are you taking this guy head on? There's this split second where the defenders have just never seen anything like this before, where they're expecting to be on the attack with the QB.

And yet the QB is like, yeah, yeah, I'm actually, I'm actually going to decide what's going to happen here. And he flips it on them. It's like watching, you know, like if you had, if I was being cornered by a pit bull or something and you flipped it on the pit bull and the pit bull is like, wait a second, what's going on? I thought you were supposed to be scared here. That's kind of what he's doing over and over again with these linebackers and defensive

ends where, you know, he's either going by them or he's lowering his shoulder and knocking them over. I don't know. I really enjoy it. I'm going to throw this at you. Well, let me just say this. I think it's even more impressive that he doesn't lean on his arm and everybody sees this coming at the run. That's by far his most impressive part again, and scariest part of his game. And he's not like Michael Vick, who was a great running quarterback. I think he had like 10, 100 yard rushing games in his career, but Michael Vick had a cannon. So he had to watch for both like Lamar, you know,

you can maybe play the safeties too deep and, and not have to worry as much with Lamar, but he still shreds them on the ground. Yeah, and he's got a lot of confidence and a lot of swagger, and they did an awesome job, as we've discussed, pretty much every week of building the perfect offense around him. So the most fun quarterback power rankings right now. Mahomes had this for a solid year, but now we have gimpy Mahomes.

Now we have Mahomes who's not even playing, but even when he comes back, it's going to be, let's take it slow. Let's be careful, Mahomes. I think Lamar's the most, I think the championship belt has been passed. Lamar has it, right? Well, I said, what did I say last

week? I said I wanted to see Lamar and Russell Wilson before Brady and breeze or any, anything else. Like, so I think I put those two, but my homes is really when he's on his game, it's a lot of fun. Well,

it really is. So I think that's one, two, three. Now he's a gimp. So it doesn't matter. Lamar. I have the,

my top six is Lamar Rogers. This is just right now. It could change next week. Lamar Rogers, my homes, Watson, Russell Wilson, my 2019 man crush, Jacoby Brissett, and finishing last, Mitch Trubisky. That's my list.

I was just going to throw that in as a joke because I hate his guts right now. He cost me so much money. You talk about the worst thing that happened to me today. It was backing the Bears who didn't have a chance. They were so bad today, but I don't argue with those first five. So let's talk about the Trubisky holics.

He had, I was even going to tweet this because I went and looked it up and it was when the game was over, it was like 33 to 10 or whatever, whatever the score was. And I looked it up and he had like 25 passes for 110 yards or something. And no TDs, they had six first downs at the time I looked it up. I was going to do a snarky tweet. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to do this. There's

going to be a day and it's not too far away when the New England Patriots don't have the best quarterback of all time. and I'm stuck with somebody like Mitch Trubisky. I'm not going to be all gleeful that this guy's terrible. So I didn't do the tweet. And then, of course, in garbage time, he led two TDs

and did his whole thing and padded the stats. He's awful. And I think he's killed... Didn't it look like he was like a third string quarterback who just came in, didn't get reps all week and was just throwing underneath and getting screen passes blocked

and I couldn't take it anymore. They couldn't move the freaking ball and then when they did they fumbled every single time. I mean, really, they had to kick return for a touchdown. Otherwise, it was zero offense through like three quarters, like you said. Yeah, it was bad, bad news. I mean, look, they had to kick return for a touchdown. Otherwise, it was zero offense through like three quarters, like you said. Well, he's... Yeah, that was bad, bad news.

I mean, look, there's always eight to ten bad quarterbacks every year. I think what makes this situation unique is the same thing that made the Bortles thing unique last year, where you had this team that, from a talent standpoint, is a top six or seven team. And the lack of not only success, but confidence in the quarterback really feels like it's killed the team. I'd feel like the Bears, watching them in that Raiders game a couple weeks ago, watching them today, their defense,

I know Hicks is out, that hurts, obviously, but their defense is still really talented. They kind of rolled over as that game went along. And I think when you're in a situation where your quarterback just stinks, at some point, aren't you just like, ah, what does it matter? We're going to hold them to 17 points.

He's not going to be able to score 18. So we're screwed. And at some point you let up. And I think we saw that with the Jaguars last year. We saw that with the Bears this year. And it's the same situation where you just wait, you wait, you wait, you pretend it's not a problem. You're like, ah, maybe we can squeeze by with this and they're going to throw away a whole year, which really sucks because you know, that Khalil Mack trade was basically a win now trade and it didn't happen last year. Yeah. Now this year you throw that away. And, uh, I, I, I just think they need to do something and I don't think they year. It makes it look bad. Yeah, now this year you throw that away. And I just think they need to do something

and I don't think they will. I think it always is until the offseason when you do something. As far as today went, and you hit it on the head with the garbage points at the end, but there were 61 points scored. Like I thought this was going to be a game

where I'm not even saying the Bears are better than the Saints, but the Saints have won like three games in a row that they don't need. Like they're not division games. They're on the road. They went in like Bridgewater's coming through. I thought this was the one they take off, and I thought the Bears step up.

And like you said, they had two weeks off because they were coming off the London game. They looked so soft, the defense. They looked like they got beat up in the trenches, and it was nonstop. I mean, Bridgewater had a couple plays where he had eight seconds to throw. Like, anybody is going to be able to capitalize on that. Also, Kamara was out. Everything was pointing to take the Bears today, and they really got smoked.

You know, Washington started the Niners game, which I had the Niners and the over and a tease, not realizing it was a monsoon in Washington. I should probably look up the weather. And we also, we also had them to win by 22 or more. That was a, that was a,

but we should check the weather more. If we're actually professionals, it should have known about the monsoon. I mean, Jimmy G is a good quarterback, but could not grip the ball. He had a couple of passes where the ball just kind of went sideways on him. But,

um, Washington started that game with 10 straight runs. It was comical. It was even like second and 18, they're still running. We're just going to kill the clock, run the ball, shorten the game. You can put

nine guys up there. That's fine. We're going to run the ball again. It seems like that's just what the Bears should do. The Bears should just be like, look, we're going to run the ball. You're going to have to believe us. We're going to run it. You want to put more guys up there? Great. And then

every 10 plays, maybe a play action to a wide open tight end. And that's really it. I wouldn't do anything else with Trubisky. I really wouldn't. And I don't understand why they don't scramble with him either. That's the other thing. This guy was supposedly this combine guy. He used to be a running quarterback too. I really wouldn't. And I don't understand why they don't scramble with him either. That's the other thing. This guy was supposedly this combine guy. He used to be a running quarterback too. I know.

And then Nagy's gotten bad too. I don't know what happened. They had one drive where it was like second and eight and they throw short and then third and two, they throw long. It's like, ah, you're killing the drive there. Don't let Trubisky throw long on third and two. Figure something else out there.

But yeah, he should run the ball. Montgomery, who I had in like two fantasy leagues, had zero points. I think he ended up with zero or one fantasy points. So yeah, they really didn't mix it up at all. I hated that team today. I was so mad at them. They're in a really dangerous

spot because there's two teams. I don't see how they make it. Well, yeah, there's two teams in their division that are just better than them. And then you have Saints Carolina. You have San Francisco, Seattle. I don't see it. We always say about the nine-game mark, somebody gets hot second half of the season.

So I know it'll be somebody. I just don't think it'll be the Bears for that quarterback. It's not going to happen. No, I don't think so either. Let's take a break. I want to talk about a couple other things. Let's talk about FanDuel. I'm teaming up with them to give you, the listener, a chance to play fantasy football against me, Sal, and the trifecta, the best part, the winner gets to fly to Puerto Rico to be our official correspondent for FanDuel's World Fantasy Football Championship Live Finals. All expenses paid. Four days worth of WFFC events in Puerto Rico, including an exclusive beach afterparty

with a live performance by Ludacris. What's the deal, Kyle? You're going? Dude, you tell me. They invited you. I can't believe it. You're going. I need them to tell me. This isn't a joke anymore.

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I just think fantasy was really bad this week. I guess my two best ones were Dalvin Cook and Latavius Murray, but like I had Danny Dimes. He only got me 11 points. You won money too, Kyle, right? I won 12 bucks, yeah. Oh, you won. Look at us.

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we don't need to talk about the Trubiskyholics. Have you heard of a team called the Indianapolis Colts that are now four and two and have a one game lead in the AFC South and along with the Washington Nationals have completely revived the Ewing theory? Have you heard of them? I have to say, you nailed this. I'll give you credit. You nailed this.

I think it's worked out even better than you thought. I mean, they are solid. They're a tough out every week. I know the win against the Chargers doesn't look as great as maybe it was when we were watching, but four and two after six, can't ask for better. Now, let me ask you this real quick. I know you're going to want to talk about this. I think about Romo.

I think about Prescott. What happened with, you know, Prescott had to be like eight and one, nine and one for them to say, Romo, you got to step aside. Very sad. Yeah. What do you do? I know this isn't even in the cards, but what do you do in the case of Bridgewater? What do you do in the case of Jacoby Brissett?

What do these guys' records have to look like before they tell Drew Brees and let's say Andrew Luck decided to come back? We're okay. Just step aside for a second. What kind of, because we might be close. We might be like three games away for each. Brissette, definitely the players respond to him in a really,

really, really big way. And you can feel it. Like he definitely just feels like the leader of the team. The Bridgewater thing is fascinating to me because, and there's somebody on this podcast a few weeks ago where I was just like, I don't see it.

He seems like a backup. He's gotten better every week. He was excellent today. I thought he made a couple of A-list throws. Didn't you think? He had that one throw late in the game to Thomas.

Thomas was like double covered. He threaded it over, you know, and he had like no window at all. It's a 40-yard pass. It was really, really impressive. I thought he was really good. Against the Bears, too. It was a formidable defense most of the time.

And without Kamara and without Jared Cook. It was a great showing. I was thinking about the Bears, you know, who are just crippled by their quarterback. And here's this other team that has two quarterbacks. This is their second-best guy just picking them apart. The Bears have to be like,

what the fuck? There's like 15 good quarterbacks in the whole league. You guy just picking them apart. The Bears have to be like, what the fuck? There's like 15 good quarterbacks in the whole league. You have two of them? Really? Right. But the Colts though, Colts have a one game lead over Houston now. In that division, Jacksonville you can cross off. Tennessee is

embarrassing. We'll talk about that game in a second. It's really lined up for them. They're over under heading into the season was 7.5. I know because I bet it. They were 4-1 to win the division. Are they the most surprising division leader right now? They have to be, right? The Niners at least had better odds than 4-1, I think.

That's close. So the Colts over-under was what? 7.5, you said? Seven and a half wins. Yeah, the Niners had their over under was way higher for wins than that. I thought it was like eight and a half or nine. Oh, no, it wasn't nine. It wasn't nine.

It was eight or eight and a half. Yeah. But the six and oh Niners is surprising. You know what I mean? Like if they were five and two tied with Seattle or whatever, four and I would say yeah that's close with the with the Colts but the fact that they're undefeated is it's pretty special I know the fact that their their their linemen um slid in the rain in celebration further than any Washington running back ran today was uh pretty impressive too I know uh I know they took care of business today,

but I don't know. I think my one thing with them is that I'm not sure they protect Garoppolo that well. And I even went and looked at the next-gen stats, which are pretty cool. And he's, I think, in the bottom four of

somebody who has enough time. It was like two and a half seconds. Kirk Cousins is like three or something like that. I have all the odds right now. So San Francisco is eight and a half plus 380 to win the division. Indianapolis was seven and a half

and four to one. They were 35 to win the conference. They were plus 270 to make the playoffs. Okay, yeah. All right, so yeah, slightly, but you do have two losses. I think San Francisco was like the Bears of last year. I'm looking at this now. This includes today's game.

64 points allowed. I know they haven't played world beaters except for the Rams, but 64? Maybe they have one game fewer than some of these teams. And the next closest is, well, I guess it's Chicago at 105. And then everyone else is like in the 150s. They're really good with the lead. By the way, looking at these over-unders, the Rams over-under for wins was 10.5.

They were minus 140 to win the division. The Chargers over-under for wins was 9. a half. They were minus 140 to win the division. The Chargers over under for wins was nine and a half. Yikes. Right. Cleveland was nine. They're plus 150 to win the division. And then Buffalo, they're over under was six and a half.

Minus 200. They're almost there. Baltimore was plus, Baltimore's plus 350 to win the division and eight and a half wins. Arizona was five and a half wins. They're halfway there. So, I mean, with the Baltimore division

bet, if you're going to say, hey, Ben Roethlisberger is going to get hurt after the first game, who's winning the division? I think we both would have said Baltimore. Yeah. And you know, when you said the NFC East compares to the AFC North in terms of futility at the bottom, I still think, I know without looking at records, I think Cleveland and I think Pittsburgh can be competitive in any game. I don't think that about the Redskins or the Giants, you know, Cincinnati, I don't either, but I think at least second and third, while they're not going to make the playoffs, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, they're a lot better than the third place that the NFC East has to offer. I agree with that. I was trying to figure out my

power pole. Wait a second. Okay, there it is. I think New England and New Orleans are 1A and 1B now. You could make a case. If the Pats aren't good on Monday night, I think you can

make a case New Orleans might be 1A. Because they've answered every single challenge. And their defense is for real. And they're well coached. And they have big game players. And they've just been really good. Week after week, they've done it. I actually think the Pats need to lay the smack down a little bit.

The next tier I have as the contenders would be San Francisco, Green Bay, and Kansas City then I would have Indianapolis as the sleeper at number 6 Carolina, Baltimore, Minnesota 7, 8, 9 then Buffalo, Seattle 10, 11 and maybe Dallas 12

I guess Dallas could be there in 12 now did you say Houston? I'm about to. Wow. I mean, Houston beat Mahomes in Kansas City. I know they look flat today, but isn't that something we were talking about them maybe

being a two seed? And now they're like 14th on your list? I have Houston 13 and the Rams 14. And the reason I bring this up is remember when we did this a while ago and I was like, wow, if you go team 9 through team 20, I don't know who would beat who. We have seen there's

been some separation because now you get to, once you get to the Rams at 14, now it's Detroit, Chicago, Philly, Jacksonville, Oakland, Arizona, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver. It drops off is my point. And I think we generally have a sense of who the best 14 teams are at least.

So if you had to go outside the 14, give me a team you think could make the playoffs out of this group. Detroit, 2-3-1. Chicago, 3-3. Philly, 3-3. Jags, 3-4. Oakland, 2-3-1. Chicago, 3-3. Philly, 3-3. Jags, 3-4. Oakland, 3-3. Arizona, 3-3-1.

Pittsburgh, 2-4. Tennessee, 3-4. Or Cleveland, 2-4. Do you like any of those teams to make the playoffs? I don't like any of them to make the playoffs. I think you'd have to set high odds.

I think I first have to determine, is it going to be an NFC or an AFC team? And the Bills at 5-1. I think you could be 3-4 in the AFC right now and make the playoffs better chance than the NFC 3 and 4. I think they show like 14% of 3 and 4 teams make the playoffs over the years. I think they pop that up in the NBC

game. But do you agree with the AFC being easier to get the 6 seed? Yeah, I think once you get past the top 14, I would thought the same thing. I don't think it's NFC. I think it would be AFC. And the team I thought... Yeah, I thought Oakland at 3-3 because I know the final score of that Packer

game, and if you didn't watch it, you would think it was a blowout. The game was closer than the score, and the car play swung the game. It just did. I felt like the Raiders were in that game. They were doing what they wanted to do. Jacobs, yet again, was brilliant.

And, you know, if they have a flaw, it's just they don't have enough of a pass rush, ironically, because they don't have Kuyo Mack, although he was a good in the Saints game anyway. But the other QB always seems to have a lot of time against them. But offensively, I think they know who they are and they kind of hang around in these games. Today got away with them, but they're one of those. They're 3-3, but I I think they know who they are and they kind of hang around in these games. Today got away with them,

but they're one of those, they're three and three, but I actually think they would beat other bad teams. So that would be the one. I think if you're looking for, if the Bills kind of fell off, I was not impressed with the Bills today. I mean, the Dolphins really put a major scare into them.

That was not an easy win. Even at the end, they got an onside kick touchdown return. That was not an easy win. You know, even, even at the end, they had, they got an onside kick touchdown return that happens once a year. Yeah. Just to cover whatever. And by the way that we have some immediate friends, right. That had three team teasers and that was monstrous and you never see it.

That was big. Yeah. I was looking at it and I was like, why don't I put some money on the, on the dolphins at nine to one? Like, all right, the bills aren't going to score 40 probably here.

You know, Fitzmagic always has a weird game, and it would come against the Bills, of course, right? So, you know, and they ended up losing by 10, but that was a good game all the way through. I don't love that Bills team. I think they're a bit of a farce. They really are. I think they have trouble moving the ball,

and it's going to come back to haunt them eventually. The Raiders, if 9-7 becomes the sixth seed, I think the Raiders are a possibility for it if that ends up happening. Sure. Are the Falcons the worst team in the league? Well. I couldn't believe the answer to this might be yes, but I think the answer might be yes.

They're terrible. I was wondering, I was going to ask you, are there openings at the ringer for Dan Quinn? It was like Jim Cunningham needed an assistant or something. I don't know. Kyle, do you need something? You need your coffee poured? Because if you're ever going to fire anyone, that's the guy.

I mean, they just looked listless. They weren't a 10-point underdog against the Rams. They were a three-point underdog, and they were never in that game. And I don't know, maybe Jalen Ramsey makes a difference, but I don't think that he should. I get that Ryan was hurt and that did it. They weren't going to come back from that. But really, really bad offensive.

They had 38 yards rushing, I think. I don't know what it is with them. It'd be tough to say they're worse than the Bengals, but maybe they are. I loved the Rams today and would not allow myself to bet on them because I've been burned and had my feelings hurt by them multiple times. But it did seem like if the Rams were ever going to get going, God, what a great opponent to have that crappy Falcons defense.

And that got them going. we didn't, the Jalen Ramsey trade happened after, uh, after we had done our podcast. It's funny. So they've got, they've traded five first round picks for a variety of things.

And in the NBA, you're, you're not allowed to do this. Like we saw this summer, they wouldn't, people are training for Paul George and Anthony Davis. The picks can't be consecutive years. Like they have all these measures in place because of the Stepian rule, which Cleveland had this owner, Ted Stepian, back in the early 80s, who was just giving his first round picks away.

And they ended up being like Magic Johnson and James, not magic Johnson was James worthy was one of them. I think, uh, Charles Barkley might end up being one of them, but, um, so the NBA put all these rules in. So,

so teams couldn't just brazenly do this. And then you have the Rams. They're just kind of all in on this team now. And I'm not even sure they're a playoff team. I think it's bizarre. I don't, I don't, I really don't understand the motivation behind it. You have to feel like you're one piece away to make a trade like that.

I personally thought they gave up too much. I don't know what they do. I feel like they have a different, they have bundles of money that other teams don't have access to. I know they trade picks and everything and that helps, but yeah, they're constantly playing for this year. And what's weird is you saw Jared Goff play like he did the last few weeks and you could easily conclude, alright, maybe this isn't our year. that

and also, it doesn't make sense. Marcus Peters was supposed to be so much better under Wade Phillips' defense and he just wasn't. So, I don't know why you would be convinced that Jalen Ramsey would be the same, but it does seem like, although they had 38 yards rushing, so I don't know if he was the difference today. Maybe Peters and Ramsey just needed new jerseys.

Well, it's weird because, you know, let's say the stadium was open and they're trying to kind of own the year, right? The 2019, this is our year. It's the year of the Rams. We got to go all in, empty every bolt we have because we're trying to own the city. I would get it, but the stadium's not open yet. Yeah. You know, and, and next year when the stadium does open, when is it open next year or a

year and a half? It's next year, right? Yeah. It's next year. Um, I don't know how they're going to be able to field a contender with all the money they have going out the window. year and a half. It's next year, right? Yeah, it's next year. I don't know how they're going to be able to field a contender with all the money they have going out the window. Unless there's something about the salary cap, I don't understand. It just seems like just between Gurley Goff and Donald, that's an insane

amount of money. I don't understand how you have a 53-man roster with that. I agree. I don't either. But then they get rid of Dominick and Sue, and they get rid of other players, and it just seems like guys are in and out, the revolving door.

We're going to do guest lines in one second. I have a question for you first. Yeah. Which QB has the highest quarterback rating right now? I hate this stat, but the quarterback with the highest rating don't look it up

don't cheat like you no no no I'm just looking at teams here no well I'll say I'll say Jacoby Brissett no

good guess you know I like Jacoby Brissett yeah who is it I'm trying to think why you would bring it up the listeners are in the car right now there's some guy who's parked right now.

He's about to get it. He's like, fuck, I just really want the answer before I get out of my car. I'm going to drag it along. The answer is Kirk Cousins. Oh, wow. Kirk Cousins has a QB rating of 114.3. He has 13 touchdowns and 3 interceptions.

He was available... He's made quite interceptions. He was available. He's made quite a comeback. He was available on our fantasy waiver wire for two solid weeks. He looked awesome today. He was throwing BBs. He was throwing darts. He also, according to NextGenStats, he has the most time to throw of any QB in the league.

3.05 seconds. For what's that worth? Hey, last year, Crown Royal launched the first off-the-field water break to encourage fans of the game to moderate and hydrate to stay in the game. Whether you're watching in the stadium, watching at home or in a bar, have a great time, enjoy some Crown. Just don't be that person. That ruins it for everyone. Make the right call. Take a water

break. So who made the right call or not this week? I have to give special, special, special attention to Bill O'Brien who did something I've never seen in all my years of watching football today. They're down five. Yeah, you didn't like this. Yeah, they're down five, 241 left.

They're on like their own four. They have to punt. They have all three timeouts left. He frantically calls timeout. Coming out of the timeout, they take a safety to take it from five to seven. And then they punt to the Colts. Only now they have two timeouts instead of three. Well, what happens? They get the ball back with 50 seconds left. Guess how many timeouts they had? Zero. Now they had to go 80 yards. If you know you're going to take a safety, guess what doesn't help you? A timeout. Just take a

delay game. You're going to go back two yards anyway. Or have one of your guys just jump off sides and have that go back five yards. Why are you taking a timeout? Why are these teams so stupid? My son wouldn't do this in Madden. That's my Crown Royal water break. The timeout was dumb. I don't kill them for the safety. I think that could go either way. Safety was great. I didn't mind the safety.

I just don't understand why I needed a timeout to decide to do a safety. They needed another, they had a minute left. Yeah, you're right. All right. I'm going to give it, but you're being sarcastic here with your good call thing, right?

No, it said or not. I think- Oh, or not. Okay. Yeah. I think, guess who needed a water break? Bill O'Brien. He needed a big glass of-

I see. Glass of water to rethink why he lost the timeout. Jesus. All right. I'll go with a coach as well. I didn't know we were doing this. I'm going to go with a coach as well. And he could celebrate with some crown royal. Andy Reid.

To win that game, I know we think Denver is terrible. All we heard all week and all we knew was that Denver was going to run the ball all over the Chiefs. Everybody runs all over the Chiefs. Everybody had Phillip Lindsey in their weekly fantasy draft or tried to scramble to trade for him in a regular fantasy league. And what did they do?

Anytime Flacco dropped back to pass, they sent somebody and they sacked him. And he was in more second and 16s and third and 16s. And because he's Joe Flacco, he couldn't come back, even though they went right down the field and scored six, went for two, didn't get it. Mahomes gets

hurt. They don't score. I mean, you would think that would inspire them. Nothing. It inspired the Chiefs defense. It inspired Andy Reid. Nice play calling there. You did a good job by you, Andy Reid. Crown War reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and moderate to stay in the game.

You mentioned Denver. you went that was your first time to denver stadium right yeah that was fun that was a lot of fun it's a good crowd they i felt bad for them i really like joe flacco was like you know there was one part where joe flacco and then i ended up seeing it on the replay when i came home he gets scared of the balls that are deflected like he'll throw a ball that's deflected and it's coming back at him. And he like makes a face as if there's like an avalanche, like a falling down on him. Like,

I don't know what happened to him. Like, wouldn't you think, I didn't see what the live line was, but after my homes went out, Denver should have been favored and they didn't even come close to, to scoring. They were so bad offensively.

Yeah. Matt Moore came in and they did the whole thing. to scoring. They were so bad offensively. Yeah. Matt Moore came in and they did the whole thing. Like Matt Moore, 10 year veteran. I love, I love, there's nothing else to say about the backup quarterback, except he's a veteran.

It's like, right. Exactly. Like Kyle, 10 years from now, it's a Kyle Creighton veteran producer. Oh no. That'd be tough. If we're saying that about you in 10 years, Kyle, it's like Kyle Creighton, veteran producer. Oh, no. That would be tough.

If we're saying that about you in 10 years, Kyle, something bad happened. Correct. He's a veteran. Yeah. He's a veteran. He had that cup of coffee. It means you've made money for doing nothing. That's what it means.

It's not a compliment at all. The second guessing, the quarterback sneak, I've had enough of it. I know Chiefs fans are upset, but you know, Tom Brady is 73 years old and quarterback sneaks like every game or every other game. So it's an effective play. And if you can get a first down that way,

you're not, it's a freak accident that you're going to see a guy blowing out his kneecap doing that. Right. Or am I crazy? Well, it costs the chargers their season today because Phillip Rivers refuses to do quarterback sneaks. And they had to pound the ball in with Melvin.

I never should have ended my contract to hold out Gordon. They are amazing. They're amazing. We didn't talk. I forgot to circle back in that game. That was a tsunami. How did they do it? How did they find a different way to win?

It was to a point where I was like, all right, they don't want to score too quickly here because they'll leave Tennessee's 53 seconds. So to a point where it got back to, oh boy, they're not going to score at all. They're not even going to attempt a field goal to tie. And it's not like they threw an interception either. Just unbelievable bad luck for that team.

Yeah, Mike Vrabel. I mean, Vrabel versus Anthony Lynn was one for the ages. Really want to, I'll be telling my grandkids about that battle. Two of the greats trying to outwit each other. Vrabel goes for the fourth and one at midfield with the three-point lead and not a lot of time

left. And does the kind of terrible delayed QB sneak with Tannehill who really hasn't played for like a year and a half. I didn't get that at all. And then the Chargers were like, oh, you think you're going to blow the game? Watch this.

And they did their whole thing. And then it just kept stopping. The officials were awful. And it was like, is that a touchdown? It's not. No, it's first down and goal at the one. And then the Chargers, I've never seen anything like it where you watch them and it was like, is that a touchdown? It's not. No, it's first down and goal at the one and then the Chargers, I've never seen anything like it where you watch them and you're like, oh wow, how are

they going to screw this one up? It's first down. The clock is their friend. All they have to do is put Rivers in shotgun and do quick passes for at least two downs. They could have QB sneaked on the second down if you didn't get it. Spiked the ball on third down. You still

have a play on fourth down. Every possible way it could have gone, they picked the wrong way. So congrats to them. It really is something. I want to say something real quick before we get to the lines and everyone's like the officiating is getting worse. I know one area it is definitely

getting worse is spotting the ball. They spot the ball wrong yeah it's about the ball wrong on close plays all the time and then they go to like a four minute review and the review will clearly show that bridgewater was short by a yard or somebody else was short by a yard or three quarters of a yard and they don't overturn they stay with their shitty whatever they called on the field like it can't be beyond the reasonable doubt anymore. Just, we have enough angles where if you see a knee down and you see where the

ball is and you see where the red flag is, and if he hasn't reached the red flag overturn it, because it's a big, you're losing a challenge, you know, that's a huge deal to lose a challenge if you get it wrong. So I think they have to be better with that. Well,

it doesn't have to be beyond the reasonable doubt with spotting the ball. It wasn't a huge deal to Mike Vrabel because he could have challenged the Tannehill fourth and one and decided not to. He's like, I'm good. It's the biggest play of the game. Maybe they were right. Meanwhile, it was clearly he had the first doubt, it seemed like. But man, that was something. I feel like the red zone should have just been split screenshots of Vrabel and Anthony and Lynn just staring out in the field with dumb looks on their face. All right. Week 8 lines. Thursday night. Let's do it.

Thursday. Who's winning? I'm winning right now, right? I'm up. You're winning 3-2-2. Yeah. Two ties. I have a one game lead on Thursday night is really awful.

It's the Vikings and the Redskins. It's, I guess a Kirk cousins revenge game. I don't, I, is this, can you really have revenge against an awful franchise and an awful team and a team that's going nowhere?

What kind of revenge is this? Right. The cousins bowl. Yeah. Like who, who, what was your toughest wrestling loss in high school? There were so many. I don't know. It's hard to rank them.

I know what you're saying. You don't have one that really stuck out? No. Okay. I don't know why we have to go after me here. I don't know. Well, I was just going to say, your worst wrestling loss ever, it's the 20-year homecoming and you go back and they don't have a wrestling

team anymore, but you just challenge a phys ed teacher and you wrestle and you pin them in 10 seconds. Like I've got my revenge game. It's like, no, not really. Gotcha.

Not really. You didn't really get revenge. So same thing with Kirk. It's like that, like, like that clip I sent you, we sent each other about Tom Hanks fighting the Fonz after the Fonz beat him up. Oh, yeah.

Karate Tom Hanks, yeah. Yeah, you, me, and our cousin Jimmy, and Daniel, we have crazy text threads, and there was a long text thread about the Tom Hanks-Henry Winkler feud that we never knew about. Now we have all our listeners Googling this. This is a real thing. Tom Hanks apparently got Henry Winkler fired as director two weeks into Turner and Hooch. And they are like two of Hollywood's legendary nice guys.

And yet there's some sort of feud. It's fascinating. The nicest guys. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense at all. But then I pointed, I was like, no, this is well-documented. And I showed a Happy Days clip of I sent you guys. That's true.

Tom Hanks doing karate on the phone. Yeah. Every time you send me a Happy Days clip, I'm amazed that Henry Minko was the coolest guy in America for like six years. He really was. Our entire childhood, he was the coolest person on the planet.

I have for Thursday night, Vikings minus 14 and a half over the Redskins. All right, you went, Oh, who gets this? Uh, I can't screw this up because we have Hawks watching us here. I think we tie Kyle. You should decide who wins these because we need an arbiter,

a fair one. I said 17 and a half. You said 14 and a half and it's 16. I believe we tie, right? It's 16 or 15. It's 16. We're both off by a point and a half. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Alright, we tie. Okay. Good. Awful game. Sorry, America. I don't know if... Yeah, that's really bad. Not really good for Fox, but they really better lean on this Cousins Bowl thing. I think you really have to step it up in the pregame show

because the game itself isn't going to be great. So whatever you do in the pregame show. Because the game itself isn't going to be great. So whatever you do in the pregame show, you're going to really have to make it count. Maybe you should wrestle the phys ed teacher. Maybe you go back. All right, I'll bring it. You know what?

I'll wrestle him, Hanks, and Henry Winkler at the same time. It's a tactic match. Listen to Washington's past catchers today. A guy by the name of Quinn Smallwood, Wendell Smallwood, Sprinkle, McLaurin, who had a couple good games, Sims, and Richardson. I don't know what to expect with this game. Not pretty.

Sunday Marquee, are you okay with me going Pat's Browns for this? I saw that. Is there one you would go instead? It's a pretty bad week. This is... Yeah, it's not that good. You know, Chris Ryan, who...

If Philly had won and Buffalo looked better, I would say maybe that one, but I think you're right. You know, Chris Ryan, beloved ringer, executive editor. We found out that he loves pumpkin patches. And in October on the weekends, like he's big on just going to pumpkin patches and checking them out and all that stuff. This is a pumpkin patch weekend. I think. Oh yeah.

Where you're really, you're really not missing any major NFL action on Sunday. This is the time to go look for Halloween costumes with your kids. Go get some pumpkin patches with Chris Ryan. Whatever you want to do. This is the weekend to do it,

I feel like. Yeah, we used to call it apple picking, right? Then we, last year, we called it apple picking. Pumpkin patching is fine too. Apple picking too. I think Chris is more of a pumpkin,

pumpkin guy, but yeah, apple. By the way, he's really not. I made this joke like a week ago, and it's been a running joke in the mayor office. He was taking a day off, and he's going to a pumpkin patch. Oh, that's fun. Sunday marquee, Pats, home for the Browns.

I mean, just a lot of fantasy guys in this, at least. I have Pats by 10 over the Browns. You nailed it. I said 10 and a half. It is 10. You're a little nervous about this one. I'm nervous about the Pats. It's gotten to the point where I'm Googling to see when Nikhil Harry comes back.

He's 21. He hasn't played it down yet. It feels like we really need him at this point. Josh Gordon's banged up. We don't have a tight end. I'm watching Gronk. What channel was he on today? Fox? Yep, he's on Fox now. Yeah, Sunday pregame.

I'm like, Gronk, just come on. Just put some pads on. What are you doing? Just go back. We need you. Then we're watching. Are you more nervous for the Browns or the Jets? I'm more nervous about the Jets. I'm, but I'm, I'm never more nervous about the Jets. I think there's some, there's a frisky element to that game that with the Jets fans and who's that

loser, the fireman, him, him getting involved. There's a lot I don't like about this game. Who's that loser? What's his name? I feel the same way.

At least, at least with the Browns, you know, I know everyone's afraid Beckham's going to break out for 400 yards every game. Yeah. But you have the most disciplined coach of all time against Freddie Kitchens and the Browns

who are the least disciplined. I mean, they have the most penalty yards in the league. Yeah, we should be able to take that. I don't think you lose that game. The watchables, I have four. They're not even that watchable. They're just more watchable than the barely watchables. First one, Buffalo at home against Philadelphia Eagles.

Here's why I think this is a watchable, because this is kind of a season on the line game for the Eagles. I don't know if they can go to five losses. I'm also not sure they can keep the Bills defense off them. From what we saw today, they couldn't keep the Cowboys defense off them. So, I have the Bills minus one and a half.

You got it exactly. Wow, you're cheating. I had one. It is one and a half, like you said. Yeah, I don't know. Are they, I think they really could be

the worst five and one team of all time. I know I'm setting myself up. Are they, what, what, I think they really could be the worst five-on-one team of all time. I know I'm setting myself up for disaster here, but, and Bill's fans will hate me, but I'm not impressed with them. Well, here's the thing about today, and we see this every year, it's the old,

how hard is it to get up for, like, the Dolphins game, game. You know, next week, next week's the game where it's like the playoff atmosphere. You bring out all your best plays, all that stuff. This Dolphins game, you're just trying to get through the game.

So I think that line will end up at three. Next one, Colts Broncos. This probably should be in the barely watchables, but I just love Jacoby. I love the Colts. I had so much fun watching them today. I feel like they've won me all the money that I lost in all the other games. I'm probably even or close. Colts, I had minus seven and a half at home against Denver.

And what did you have? All right. I had you out here. I said six and it's six and a half. So it's right in there. I thought it was eight and a half. What do you mean you thought? You saw it?

Yeah, remember I texted you because I wanted to do a tease. This is the one game I looked up. So what is it? Is it six and a half? Well, maybe it moved

or something. Hold on. Let me see. Maybe it did. Six and a half. Is that what I said? Yeah, six and a half. Six and a half.

You like it on a teaser. I a half you like it on a teaser I do I like it on a teaser I like it straight up I just like it Colts Denver could go to hell if they

if they kill a teaser this week they really can the Flacco thing when it goes when the fans turn on him is gets really sad because I think

they kind of hate him anyway deep down because he threw that pass that ended the Broncos season that time the 80 yarder in the playoff game. So they're already coming into it

like kind of fuck this guy and now he's literally fucking them. But it also makes Elway look bad. I don't know what kind of legacy he had for quarterback bringing quarterbacks in but now it's like

Flacco, Simit. You were able to get Peyton Manning to come play for you. That was it, right? That's what he did. Yeah. Everything else, not impressive. Well, the Niners are impressive. They're 6-0. This could have been the marquee game. Niners, Panthers. It's just tough to put Kyle

Allen in the marquee spot. But, you know, this is a possible round one playoff game. I have the 49ers favored by six against Carolina. You got it. I went way high. I said seven and a half and it's five.

And I don't trust it. Now I don't trust it. I like that it's seven and a half. Now that they're going lower, I feel like they know something. I'd like to see the Niners have to play behind by two scores once. That hasn't happened yet. No.

I'd like to see it. Texans home for the Raiders. I already like the Raiders' money line in this game. I don't even know what the line is. I have Texans by six. All right, I hit it exactly at seven. They made it't even know what the line is. I have Texans by six. All right. I hit it exactly at seven. I made it a full touchdown, the Texans.

That's great. Tasty. Again, I was, well, maybe they just had a bad game against the Colts, but I am always surprised that Sean Watson gets off to a poor start. You know, they have 10 points at half. What did they have at half? I don't know what they had, but I was a head scratcher

with that offense. Do you like his receivers? Because other than Hopkins, I think it's a pretty motley crew. Well, Fuller had like three touchdowns the other day, right? I know, but he's one of those where he looks good. As they're tied in. Is he the leader in the limping off

to the locker room to get checked out? Receiver, whatever that standings are? It just seems like he can't stay in the field. Yeah, there's a lot of that. And speaking of that, Alshon Jeffrey

is now running and walking like he's 55 years old. He's moving like Red Fox. Have you noticed that? There's that touchdown today over the middle when he jumped and the ball was over his head

and Collinsworth was like, did he mistime that? It's like, no, Alshon Jeffries is just 45 years old all of a sudden. Like two years ago, he easily catches that for a touchdown. Now he can't jump more than 10 inches. God bless Collinsworth. You're right. It's hard for him to criticize. His exact comment, I think, was, did he jump too early for that?

All right. Sometimes that happens. Yeah. And then they showed the replay. It's like, I think, was, did he jump too early for that? All right, sometimes that happens. Yeah, and then they showed the replay. He's like, no, he can't jump anymore. He's 100 years old. What happened? Guy's like 27. I think we're going to find out

he has a torn meniscus after the season. Barely watchables. I have six, which really sums up the week. First one. Get the booze ready. Bears Chargers in Chicago. I have the Bears favored

by two and a half. I said three and it's somehow four and a half. Four and a half point favorite. What are you talking about? I cannot move the ball. I don't know what it is. I don't care if they make it 10 or 10 the other

way. We should have a name for this. Like, you have to stop listening to this podcast if you bet this game. I don't know what we would call that game, but this is what I'm talking about. This is the one of the week because you're out of your mind if you think you can figure out who's going to emerge victorious.

The Trubisky-holics are like, Mitch just needs one game to get going. Just needs one long drive to get his footing under him. It's going to happen. He's a streaky quarterback. Plus seven and a half. Plus seven and a half, I had them on an adjusted line parlay. Six teams.

First five are in. That's all I need in real life for money, and then lock it in to win the title. and they couldn't cover seven and a half that team going against that without their running back well i'll tell you what you will about bridge water he's the second string quarterback in a game the saints didn't need and they got walloped so pissed at them i know it was garbage time and and the game was over but trubisky looked awesome in those last two drives. If he could just carry that over. His QB rating was 140 as the Saints had their entire second string in there.

It's going to happen. I believe he's still young. He hasn't played in a lot of games yet. So just quit. Just give up. It's not happening. Trubiskyholics, go to a meeting. Go to a TA meeting.

Go to Trubiskyholics Anonymous. Talk to somebody who can help you. I should go. I should go because I defended him. I said, ah, you guys are crazy. Chase Daniel has been a backup for 12 years. This is why he is what he is. Get Trubisky in there. It'll be a different story. Nope. I'm done with him. I said, ah, you guys are crazy. Chase Daniel has been a backup for 12 years. This is why he is what he is. Get Trubisky in there. It'll be a different story.

Nope. I'm done with him. My name is Cousin Sal. I'm a Trubisky-holic. In week seven, I bet on the Bears to cover at home against Teddy Bridgewater and say it's... I really hated myself. It was a dark day. I ended up eating 10 deep dish slices of Brooklyn pizza at midnight

licking my wounds. Do we have a pepperoni all over the wounds? Do we have, you know, we cross off teams. I feel like we should cross off quarterbacks in terms of who we'll never bet against. I'll put Trubisky and Dalton right up there today. Oh my God. I will never in my life bet on Trubisky again. No.

Unless it was an event where he's throwing incompletions. That's the only way I would bet on him. If there were bodies that he was just missing by five feet at a carnival, I would bet on him for that. All right. I think we should set that up. Remember Battle of the Network Stars when they'd have the dunk tank? Sure.

Mitch would be throwing at the thing that tried to make Heather Thomas go down for like an hour. Just missing. Yeah, right. Heather Thomas just being in her bathing suit, reading a magazine, waiting for Mitch to hit the thing to knock her in. Mitch, we don't need you to knock Heather Thomas down. We just need you to cover plus seven and a half at home, asshole. Let's take a break. Let's talk about Square.

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All right. Let's rip through the rest of these. We have Detroit is home for the Giants. The poor Lions are somehow 2-3-1. It was Detroit is home for the giants. The port lions are somehow two, three, and one. It was looking so good for them in that green bag game. It looked like they're going to be three,

one, and one. Now they're a game below 500. And Matt Patricia had a really dumb look on his face for most of the second half today. So maybe they can get the mojo back against Danny dimes. I have the lions by six. I will not be putting this in a tease.

I had seven. Exactly. I had six be putting this in a tease I had seven exactly I had six exactly two and it's seven and I think you're right but I did think the Lions were going to spiral after that Packers game Monday night I was like you know they always come up short against the Packers it's such a stupid thing

Stafford can't get like a signature win and I was like they're going to spiral this is it for them. But I forgot they had the Giants two weeks later. So next one back more quarterbacks that we're not allowed to bet on. That's right. It's Ryan Tannehill

against Jameis Winston. Don't bet on either of these guys. It's in Tennessee. I think what's hilariously the Tennessee fans are kind of talking themselves into the season a little bit. They're like, man,

we got rid of Mariota. This, this new guy is a C minus, but that's better than an F minus. We're feeling good. I have a Titans by three for this one. That's exactly what I have. They,

Vegas has it at two and a half. And you have to wonder like it was, you know, Mariota and Winston and same, same class, at two and a half. And you have to wonder, like, it was, you know, Mariota and Winston in the same class, right? Seven years ago? Or is this their seventh year? Mariota couldn't even make it to this game. It's like, really? You're going to cancel on the fight that everyone kind of wants to see,

or at least that would make this game somewhat interesting? All right. Thanks for showing up. We need a pregame handshake with them where one of them misses the handshake. Rams Bengals is in Los Angeles. I don't think there will be 30,000 Cincinnati fans there. I'm just guessing. Rams now, all of a sudden,

we were pouring dirt on them a week ago and saying they were done. Now all of a sudden, they could be on a two game winning streak here. Rams, I have favored by nine points

over Cincinnati at home. Ooh. I had 13 and it's 12 and a half. So I'm going to get that one. Huh? Yeah, they went high. Well, the Bengals are awful.

They have, what's the coach, Zach Taylor? He was the Rams assistant last year. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're supposed to trust the Rams. The Rams should be double figure favorites over anybody. What are the coach? Zach Taylor. He was the Rams assistant last year. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're supposed to trust the Rams.

The Rams should be double figure favorites over anybody. What are we doing? What are we doing here? If you've seen those bangles, they can't get out of their own way. They're terrible. Even games they're in, they just blow it.

They'll give up two touchdowns. I want to be close. Turned it over four times today. So, so bad. So Rams, if they go five and three after this game, then they're at the Steelers.

They're home for the Trubiskyholics. Then they're home for the Ravens. But they really could be seven and three going into that Ravens game. Look, today's Rams could beat anybody. They really could, the team we saw today. But, and let's face it, they're a game behind Seattle. So let's say San Francisco wins a division,

which is still up in the air, obviously. They're a game behind Seattle. They still get Seattle at home, and they could have beaten Seattle. Zerline's kick sailed over the upright. Might have been in. Who knows? So I don't think they're out of it. They're plus 280 before today to make the playoffs.

I was like, I like that. I'm not giving up on my boy Sean McVay. Yeah, I'm not either. We have NFC. We have one NFC East team. We have Green Bay and probably Minnesota. We definitely have New Orleans. We definitely have the

Niners, just schedule-wise. I think they get in. Then it's between Carolina, Seattle, the Rams, and the Vikings, basically, for two spots. For two spots, yeah. If you don't give the Vikings one, yes. Yeah, I'm saying Minnesota, Carolina, Seattle, Rams. Kirk Cousins will do this.

He's like, oh, cool. Everyone believes in me. Watch this. he's like oh cool everyone believes in me watch this like he has now set it up for whatever evil plan he has to screw over the most amount of gamblers at any time are they playing yeah so thursday night they kill the redskins everyone's like wow kirk cousins 18 touchdowns three picks my god we were wrong he He's just waiting. Just wait. He's like the clown in it. He's going to do it. You may not have to wait because Thielen, what's Thielen's injury?

He looked like he could come back, but they held him out. You know, that's huge. That was tough. I actually watched that live. He caught a touchdown, and for some reason, the wall was five feet past the end zone. He went crashing into it. It was kind of ugly. I thought he tore up his knee for a second.

That's rich man's Cooper cup. If he gets hurt, that whole season could spiral. Yeah. Well, I would watch out for Kirk. I do think it's like it where it's like, yeah, we killed the clown. It's over. It's all behind us. No, you didn't.

The clown's coming back. You didn't kill anybody. He's pulling you back into the sewer. Yeah. It's over. It's all behind us. No, you didn't. The clown's coming back. You didn't kill anybody. He's pulling you back into the sewer. Yeah. He's not done. It three with Kirk Cousins. Next one.

Saints home for the cards. Cards are somehow three, three and one. The cards are 500 through seven games. That's a great division. What is happening?

That's the best division in a long time. Yeah. That's a fun one. They're three, three and one, division in a long time. Yeah. That's a fun one. They're 3-3-1, but I think they're 12-point underdogs in New Orleans this week. What do you think? No, not that high. I said 8, and it's 9.

I'm looking good against you here. I'm up 8-6, including ties. Well, I'm hitting the rest of these. I think, I will say will say rookie of the year did did not very impressive numbers wise Kyle Amari but did he wrestle that top spot away from Danny Dimes

with the win I mean I personally think it's Jacobs I think he's the best rookie I've seen this year I was just going to say that he's got to be a solid third maybe that could be a good bet for us because if we think the Raiders are a sneaky 9-7 type team and it seems like Jacobs is off the radar

unless you've actually watched a Raiders game, he's easily the best rookie this year. I like McLaurin too. Let's get Danny Dimes out of there because the Giants are going to win five or six games. The Raiders could win eight or nine. And Giants are going to win five or six games. The Raiders could win eight or nine. And Arizona is not going to win that many, but

they're in the best division. So I think it's between those two, Murray and Jacobs. Is that guy Chase Edmonds a rookie? I don't know what he is, but that was ridiculous. They activated David Johnson. He did have a carry, but Edmonds went crazy

can I read you a couple Mike Francesa tweets I love it do it Cods walked in and buried Giants in their building embarrassed them

they aren't badly coached it is much worse than that they are complete losers later if you watch the coaches press conference after another terrible performance you understand why the giants are a gift two and five should be one and six and why he is a career loser he is clueless his twitter is really rounded into form i feel like francesa did he mention in any of those tweets that the Giants were one of his best

bets this week? The Giants minus three. I think that's why he was so mad. I know, but to say they should be one and five, like these are all reasons he wouldn't take them as a best bet. He's just mad. Yeah, you're probably right. Shermer's fourth quarter decisions were as bad as I've ever seen.

And Jones regresses by the week. I think this was a rough week for him between the Knicks. I'm sorry, the Yankees and the Giants. Yankees. Well, he was, and then there's some discrepancy too. He's saying, and no way, no way you bench Encarnacion. They're a mile away from benching Encarnacion. And they're like, they're like really like 36 hours later.

He's like, he's like he's been a disappointment he can't play anymore he's got to be gone that's it uh he's right about schirmer though he's right about schirmer third and 18 he hands off to barkley so you figure they're gonna punt because they have two timeouts and a two-minute warning fourth and 15 they run a play and he sat like that was that was that was the most surprising thing of the day Chase Edmonds by the way

23 years old the fourth round pick so I think he's a rookie right oh shit so he's a wild card for rookie of the year that guy

that guy's really good I don't know where he came from he drafted 2018 from Fordham yeah

so he's got a year under his belt already. Well, that makes him ineligible, unfortunately, for rookie of the year. Yeah. Forget it. Sorry, Chase. Seattle is in Atlanta. I had no idea what to do with this line.

I picked Seahawks minus six. I said six also. This is the one I and you were most off on. It's three and a half. Oh, that's... Come on. Atlanta is done. Is this supposing that Matt Ryan's playing or is it

Schaub? Who's in there? I can't believe Schaub is still in the league. It's like you could have told me Jake DeLome was their backup. I would be as surprised. Alright, the poopfecta. Jacksonville is home

for the Jets I don't know why this is any better or worse than Seahawks Falcons but I have the Jags by two against the Jets

some by the way the Jags could be four and four if they win this game right I think I get this Kyle help us out with the math

I said six the number is four and a half so I'm a point and a half off So I'm a point and a half off and you're two and a half off. You got it. Congrats. Well, four and a half. Yeah. Jacksonville should win. No, no.

I'm just saying. It's a short week. I'm trying to go over the game here. Forget it. Oh, I think that line's too high. I think those teams are even. Yeah, they probably are. Let's see what the Jets show us tomorrow. What's so good about the Jaguars? Their best defensive player was Jalen Ramsey.

They traded him. Yeah, that's true. Once you're trading one of the three best guys in your team for future first-round picks, that's the white flag to me. Listen, they don't need him. They picked Andy Dalton three times. You know how hard that is? Poor Andy. Can't do that.

It's impossible to say Andy's stats aren't great, but their offensive line is probably you think that's the worst one? It's one of the three worst. It's pretty bad. He's just running for his life. Sunday night, this was a lot more fun two weeks ago to look at on paper. Chiefs-Packers. It's now Matt was a lot more fun. Uh, two weeks ago to look at on paper chiefs Packers.

It's now Matt Moore against Aaron Rogers. Not, not as fun as my homes are my homie. I have. Right. God, I don't know why I did this. I sent this to you.

I had chiefs by three. Probably should have gone lower, but, uh, that's what I picked. Chiefs by three. Yeah. Matt Moore by three.

Yeah. Aaron Rogers coming off a career. Matt Moore by three. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers coming off a career day. I know, it was dumb. I said Green Bay by two and a half. It's Green Bay by three. It's a bad job by me, Sal. Would have been great. Would have been great.

Honestly, Rodgers-Mahomes, especially after today, would have been as good as it gets, but NBC gets screwed. I'd be very careful betting the Packers in that game yeah yeah you figure between the Packers and Seattle

and it might be both going up against backups and I don't trust either of those to win outright Steelers Monday night home against the Dolphins Steelers Monday night home

against the Dolphins in Roger Goodell's latest attempt to ram a red ball in ESPN's mouth and call ESPN the gimp. Here you go, ESPN. Here's Steelers Dolphins. Enjoy.

Put this red ball in your mouth. I'm going to put the strap behind your head I want you to put your hands behind your head behind your waist I'm going to handcuff you and I'm going to put you in this trunk and call you the gimp here's Steelers Dolphins right

and then you'll give us another 5 billion dollars when it's time to renegotiate the contract your schedule is going to be a 100 times worse than NBC's. Now pay us. Well, I think ESPN then shoots back and says, oh, yeah, we're going to give you booger for three hours. Listen to this. It's a battle.

Joe Tessitore booger we'll show you yeah wow I have a Steelers minus eight against the Dolphins

eight I had 13 and a half it's 14 and a half what is it yeah isn't their quarterback named Duck

all right let me check here Hodges what do you mean Duck the guy Duck Hodges he's the quarterback he's favored by 13 against an NFL team he's favored by 14 and a half what's going on did I read this wrong

no 14 and a half that's exactly what it is I'm not saying you're lying I just think that's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. A third string quarterback is favored by 14 and a half points? That's a lot. Now that you put it that way, I was just looking at the deal was showing six here. I'm looking at the Dolphins

and that they played their asses off and still lost by double digits today. But you're right. First of all, they almost beat the Bills. They were in that game the whole game, and they should have lost by three. They gave up an onside kick touchdown. They were in that game. This is an absurd line.

And as I complain about it, I will also not be betting the Dolphins. You wouldn't take plus 24 and a half would you on three team teaser Pat Shurmur's a loser the Giants are losers you get to listen to him tomorrow Francesco oh yeah that's right you get to listen to him

I'll be able to hear him two o'clock or whatever he's gonna be so mad Yankees I know Chapman Aaron Judge we have Jack going in a second he's gonna be going to be so mad. Yankees. I know. Chapman. Aaron Judge. We have Jack going in a second. He's going to be complaining

about Aaron Judge and the Yankees collapse. Nice. I really enjoyed it. That was great. You know what's fun? Playoff baseball. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah, it is. But I'm also... By the way, we made money. We had Washington Houston for the World Series.

We didn't call it in March but we called it like a week ago it was still decent odds and we made some money we almost had yesterday and I love playoff baseball I don't like the bullpen by committee I don't like it all we hear about is the Astros arms they have the three best in baseball and then it's like entire game six is going to be 12 pitchers and the Astros threw seven pitchers at the Yankees Yankees only had seven hits going into the ninth inning so why I just don't like that part of it I can't imagine in any other sport

I don't like it in baseball but at least the Yankees are gone it's funny all the things baseball has added over the last couple years I hate it's like hey good news there's no starters tonight it's a bullpen game yeah okay that sounds fun couple years. I hate. It's like, hey, good news. There's no starters tonight. It's a bullpen game.

Okay, that sounds fun. Let's see Chad Green start with an inning. That'll be great. Must win game. Oh, he's not doing well? I can't believe it because he's not a starter. It's bad for gamblers too. Don't you want to have some kind of handle on it to handicap it?

We want to know your guy's going more than 26 pitches. You're basically taking seven pitchers against seven pitchers. That's how you have to handicap it. That said, Astro's probably a better team. Nationals are a miracle team right now.

Astro's minus 220 to win the World Series, which is the highest. This is what happens with baseball. Those are the highest odds since 12 years ago,

Red Sox-Rockies, which I had forgotten for a second. That was a World Series. Yeah. That was the last time the odds were so big. You know, the Nats,

they had the awesome sweep and then the classic didn't play for a week. Never great when you have the old momentum going. I think with baseball, it's so much better to ride the wave and get hot for two, three weeks. It's tough to just press the pause button for seven days and come back. I think that Jacko and I are going to talk about it in a second. I think this Astros team is incredible.

And having, you know, the Red Sox go against them and gone against them in some playoff series. It's just they have so many scary guys in their lineup. I think that park is a really weird place to play. It's just, there's nothing really like it. It's just goofy. It's like playing in an amusement park. And the sound is crazy.

And I would be surprised if, minus 220 sounds fair to me. it's just goofy. It's like playing in an amusement park and the sound is crazy. I would be surprised if... Minus 220 sounds fair to me. Well, but doesn't it seem like when a team beats... When the best team beats the third best team and then goes play the second best team, you're like, alright, they're going to beat them. They just beat the Yankees. Why wouldn't...

They just beat the Yankees at 103 wins. They have 107 wins. Why wouldn't they beat the Nation Yankees at 103 wins? They have 107 wins. Why wouldn't they beat the nationals? And it just seems too easy to do that. I mean, you're going to get a game. You're going to get Scherzer at plus one 60 betting in that game one. And I,

yeah, it might be too much, too much of a layoff for, uh, for, uh, the Nats, but I would be careful.

I think this is going to be close. So I'm looking at, don't they have the playoff series line prices? Oh, MLB Futures? No. I just told you, 220.

No, they don't have the exact games. Exact games. Exact games. I don't see those yet. No, those will be out tomorrow. I thought I did see those earlier. I like the Astros in six.

Like the six. The Astros in six. I think the Astros in six. Like the six. The Astros in six. I think the Astros in five was the favorite. Well, good luck to the Ewing Theory Nationals. I have a feeling we're going to be betting on the Astros with the Colts. I could see that happening. The rarely seen World Series champ NFL bet

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I have a 14, 11, right? 14-year-old, this is? 14, 11, and 5. And the 11-year-old, quirky kid, he's going to run for spirit commissioner, which is crazy because he wants nothing to do with school at all. Not a damn thing.

And all of a sudden he comes home and he says, I want to be spirit commissioner, which involves like writing a speech, making posters, campaigning and all this other stuff. And he's going against another fifth grader. And this kid miles so i have a lot of suggestions for posters which really are all about a smear campaign against miles and the kids are laughing but my wife is furious at all the suggestions i'm making but uh everybody's laughing um except for my youngest son because my youngest son they partner kindergartners with fifth graders. You know how you have a fifth grade buddy if you're in kindergarten? Yeah. Like the oldest kids in the school taught you?

Well, it should have been my son and my other son, kindergarten, fifth grade, but they don't get along. So my fifth grade son passed. He's like, no, let someone else take Harrison. I don't want to take him. So guess who picks him up? Miles picks up Harrison and Harrison loves miles and is rooting for miles against my son in the race against spirit commission. And

which got so bad that the, my fifth grader and Harrison are like nose to nose yelling at each other about, it was like the civil war when, when brothers fought each other. Yeah. I'm like both laughing and trying to pull them apart. And it's just going to be bad. It's just going to be a bad next few weeks for the Spirit Commission race. And by the way, my son does have a lot of spirit. Like, you know how they have pajama day? Do your kids still have pajama day like on Fridays, like every fourth Friday or something?

I think it ends around fifth grade. Yeah, fifth grade is probably when they call quits on that one. Yeah. So most of the kids call it quits in second grade. They're like, this is disgusting. I'm not wearing pajamas to school. But since my son does have spirit, he wears pajamas and brings a stuffed animal and doesn't care if after school, after a play date, we go for Mexican food and he's still in his pajamas at six o'clock. He's all about the spirit. So good luck to him, despite the fact that his youngest brother is rooting hard against him. It's amazing.

The feud between the two brothers, we really haven't seen anything like this since Michael and Fredo. It feels like it's got that level of intensity, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not taking either of them to a toll booth anytime soon. Like when you or Melissa at your funeral, one of them is going to be like, I'm not going until I'm sure I'm positive he's out. The other one's out. I don't want my brother there. There is a lot of succession elements to it. My parent corner, I've talked about this before, but my daughter and her boyfriend, they have a date every usually friday night this time it was saturday night and they hang out they watch movies and

it's really adorable they really like each other but um but this time around his mom came to come pick her up at pick him up at uh like 11 15 or something like that. And the mom shows up. We're talking to her. We're like, hey, Zoe, come on down. And nothing. Two minutes pass. Hey, come on, guys. Let's go. Nothing. Hey, what are you guys doing up there?

Hear some movement. Don't worry. This story is not going to get gross. Okay. They come down. They both look like they're both like look like they've been asleep for like an hour they fell asleep watching

a movie and they explained it as he had had a baseball game early he was tired she'd played a soccer game she was tired it was like wow you guys literally are a married couple now you're falling asleep when you're watching TV at 10 o'clock at night.

You've skipped all the stages of a relationship. You've already gotten to the end. The worst part. The 10 o'clock fall asleep. Oh yeah. All right. Oh, what happened?

Oh, I don't know. Um, I was just, I was surprised. I thought you, I thought you said it wasn't going to get gross. They're a married couple.

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What do you have to plug? Well, I got a lot. Bear with me. Lock it in. 430 to 530 Eastern on FS1. Thursday, I'll be at the pregame desk in New York. You know, Howie, Terry, Tony, and Michael are based here in New York. So I will be there giving my pick live.

I'll tell you now. It's the Vikings. And Jimmy Kimmel Live's in Brooklyn. Springsteen, Alicia Keys tonight. Kelly Ripa, Eddie Murphy, John Krasinski later in the week. And, oh, and you're going to be on Against All Odds, the NBA pod. We do over-unders.

We talk about your MVP vote. We really get in deep how much your MVP vote means to you. Rookie of the Year, first coach fired, all that stuff. Well, we taped this already. We talked on Rookie of the Year about what happens if Zion gets hurt. He's as great as he is and as big of a lock as he is, he's also the most dangerous Rookie of the Year favorite we've had. What happens if he gets hurt? He's already hurt. So we talked about all the possible candidates, including

one guy that I threw at you that I was like, watch this guy, 25 to 1. I'm not going to tell you this. You have to listen to Sal's pod. But I continue to feel good about that pick. I've been monitoring his minutes too. It looks like he might get, like I said, those guys in the 20-25 range, they usually, that's just dead money because they don't get enough minutes.

But the guy you recommend and listen tomorrow, you'll hear, I think he has a shot. I'm in a salary cap fantasy league with my friend Chen, which we had last night,

actually, ironically, as my daughter was asleep on her date. And this guy was like my big guy that I wanted and we waited until the second round.

I was so fired up. I really like this guy. You'll have to listen to Sal's pod to know who it is. Sal, say hi to Eddie Murphy, Jimmy Kimmel, and Bruce Springsteen for me. I will. I can't believe you're not coming out here for Eddie, but we'll get you a seat in the front

if you want to make a last-minute trip. I don't believe he's coming on. I'll believe it when you send me a picture of him actually on the stage with Jimmy Kimmel. Until that happens, I'm not going to believe he's coming on. I'll believe it when you send me a picture of him actually on the stage with Jimmy Kimmel. Until that happens, I'm not going to believe it. He's playing himself and Jimmy Kimmel. That's what he's doing. He's that versatile.

Alright, Sal. Good job by you. Good job by you. Alright, we're going to bring in Jacko in one second to talk about the Yankees. But first, don't forget Palooza on Tuesday. Ringer. Bunch of new videos, bunch of things you haven't seen. We're going to do a little pregame show, me and Rosillo. All kinds of stuff. You can go to our YouTube page, youtube.com slash ringer. You can

go to our Twitter at ringer, or you can go to theringer.com to find all the stuff we're doing, including Take Hunter 4. That's happening. All right, let's bring in Jacko. All right, it's a rare Sunday night appearance for Jacko. The Yankees were eliminated less than 24 hours ago. Not an enjoyable moment for you. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I really enjoyed the look on Aroldis Chapman's face. I think it was a smile. The decade is now complete. No World Series appearances for the first time in 100 years. How are you feeling? Wait, walk us through the emotions as you sort through this. Well, my emotions are not great. It's funny.

Baseball, you know, I don't know. Maybe because I follow baseball more closely than other sports, so maybe other sports are just as heartbreaking. But baseball seems to have a unique heartbreaking quality to it where you can have the highest of highs after LeMay who ties the game up and then have a crushing defeat after Altuve hits one in the bottom of the ninth. Really, the course of this series, you know, I'm early to lock out on these things, but I knew when they didn't win game two,

when it was there for them to win multiple times, that that was a disaster. If they went back home to New York up 2-0, they're in really good shape, and I'd have been so happy. So I had been pretty despondent since that time. And the thing with baseball is, like, you sit there and watch these games and that one went to, you know, 11 or 12 innings, whatever it was. And you sit there and watch it and it causes you to like question your life decisions.

Like, why am I doing this to myself? Like, why am I watching this? And then you start to like count your blessings. Well, you know, I have a nice family and my kids, my wife, they love me. I have a nice dog. It's like, it's not all bad, you know? So it's like, this is, this should not be like a fun hobby. Nobody has, nobody has a hobby where it like makes you question, question your life's decisions and count your blessings. So that's what playoff baseball will do to you when you're a Yankee fan and they haven't been to a world series 10 years. So I'm a shell of my former self.

I'm a broken man at this point is where I am, really. It really sounds like it. You sound like me after the Boone Homer in 03. I think I was up till four in the morning writing a column that night. And it was basically, I think my friend Hedge said something similar where it's just like, I just have to take a deep breath and reflect on the good things that have happened to me in life. That's exactly what you do.

It's true. It's ridiculous. It's so stupid. And even during the course of this series, I would find myself like waking up in the middle of the night and then like tossing and turning. And it's like, why,

why am I doing this to myself? I can have other hobbies. I could play golf. I could make models. I don't know. I could play golf. I could make models. I don't know. You could do whatever. I could collect stamps. I could do something that wouldn't make me wake up in the middle of the night and pace the floor in anguish.

I think you made the right... I had the same feeling after game two that they left it on the table and it was one of those games that just kept going and it kept going and it kept going. Right. And you just kept waiting for one of the two teams to take it and nobody did and nobody did. And then Hap came in and I don't know,

it just, at some point there's a pitcher in there and you just go, ah, he kind of feels like the guy who's going to be walking off the mound. Sadly, just have that vibe to them. That's what Jay Hap was born to be. The guy that's sadly walking off the mound.

But I mean, you know, you look at this Yankee team and I think the big flaw just in general, you had this unbelievable window with Torres and Judge. We were texting about this last night where you're paying 1.29 million combined for those two guys. And they're two of the best guys in the team. It's such an advantage. to not make the world series when you have that as

the equivalent of like the chiefs never making a world series when they have my homes on this rookie contract, you know, it's like, I'm sorry, super bowl. Um, where you just, you kind of struck the lottery. And, and plus you have money to spend anyway. It's kind of struck the lottery. Right. And plus you have money to spend anyway. It's kind of improbable. Now, I think the Astros, you've gone against them a couple times. My Red Sox have gone against them.

I really do think they're a great team. Absolutely. I do think we'll remember this, however many year range this Astros team is, and say, yeah, that was a really, really great couple years for them. And I'm scared of Springer. I'm scared of Altuve.

You go on down the line, Bregman. They just have multiple guys that just kind of put the fair God in you. Not to mention the Cole Verlander combo. Well, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, you know, in my mind, I knew that the Astros on paper certainly were a better team. And, you know, we I think we did a podcast back in May and we were like you when we were doing some Yankees Red Sox they were the best team. They had the best record in baseball. They had home field advantage throughout the playoffs. They have Verlander and Cole. They have a great lineup. Maybe a little

weakness in the bullpen, but with home field where they won 60 games, I think they had never lost more than two games in a row at home all year. So on paper, you're like, well... So then when Tampa takes them to five games, though, you get a little hope in your mind that, well, you know, Tampa, if they could take them to five games, the Yanks might have a puncher's chance here. And then when you take game one pretty handily, you're like, hey, wait a second.

Maybe the Astros get a little doubt in their minds. You get it back on the ropes. So you start to have a little hope. But I mean, you know, the Verlander Cole combo is just is just deadly in modern day baseball to have two starters like that the Yankees can't put anything close to on the field anything anything anything on the field close to that so you know that combined with a great lineup I mean they're they're a phenomenal team so really you know you just kind of have to tip your cap and say well they were the better team but it's like you know Yankees, the Yankees are no slouches theoretically with

their lineup and, you know, the guys they have at various positions, their bullpen, not their starters, obviously, but their bullpen and their lineup. I mean, they, they, you know, it should, they should have had a better shot at this and should have acquitted themselves better than they really did. Yeah. But the irony is you lose game two and you lose game six, which were both bullpen battles, which I agree with you. I thought you had the advantage in those,

you know, whether it was the nine inning game where each team used seven pitchers or the 12, 13 inning game like game two. I thought that would benefit you. You beat Verlander, you know, in game five. Right. But I just thought the flaw with this Astros team was all those relievers. And even Asuna, who has great stats, but I've had him in fantasy for, I think,

three of the last three and a half years. There's something untrustworthy about him. Yeah. Even yesterday, Hench and I, because we own the team together, the League of Dierks team, we just kind of hated him, even though his stats were good. We just didn't trust him.

And he comes in up two runs, and we're like, oh, he's going to give up at least a run. He's going to make this interesting. Here comes the 32 pitch at bat. I didn't expect, the LeMahieu at bat was kind of legendary. And he turned out to be kind of the MVP. Him and Torres him and Torres I'd say would be the two biggest bright spots,

right? Coming out of this. Unquestionably. Yeah. What do you do going forward? Because actually let me go backwards for a second. If you could, if you could change Brian Cashman's mind on one move over the last six,

seven months, what would it be? If you could have a reset, reset, I would have, you know, I'm not sure how much his hands were tied, but I would have offered more money to Patrick Corbin, a lot more money. I would have, when his agent didn't immediately call back, I would have called the agent back. Cause that's his, that was his thing. Well, we made him an offer, and then he never called us back and just took the Nationals offer. I mean, you can be a little proactive. You're the New York fucking Yankees with an unlimited payroll.

If that's the guy you want, if you need a starter, and he's determined to be the best one on the market, that's the guy that you should go and get, and you should make him a godfather offer and get him in pinstripes. Whatever it takes. Don't let him negotiate with other teams. Don't say to him, look, whatever you get, come back to us and we'll top it, you know, by a dollar or $10,

whatever it is. I wouldn't let him out the door until he signed on the dotted line. I didn't understand. Even when you got him, I was like, oh man, cause he's always kind of scared me and carnassian. But then when you got him, I was like, oh, man, because he's always kind of scared me, Encarnacion. But then when you get to the actual playoffs and Luke Voigt, who he wasn't incredible, but I don't know. I just like that guy in big games.

Against the Red Sox, for whatever reason, I was always afraid of him when he came up. And I just didn't feel like that was the position needed to upgrade. What you needed to upgrade was you needed another reliable pitcher. Like the fact that CC pitched in this series at all is egregious. Absolutely. I honestly, they even had to have a bullpen game, you know,

with Chad green, who was Chad green was very good in the post season. It's very, very good. But if you're the New York Yankees, you don't want to be having Chad Green start a game. And the guy they did go and spend money on or made a trade for was Paxton,

who was great in his most recent outing in Game 5. But in Game 3, I guess it was. No, Game 2, he couldn't get out of the third inning. So you had to go to your bullpen early. And it's like, as lights out as your bullpen might be, you just, they're overtaxed and you can't go to them over and over again. Now, they held their own and Houston missed some opportunities. But, I mean, what killed the Yankees is what, again,

is what's killed them over the course of the last 10 years, where they can't get a clutch hit to save their lives. And I know all the Ivy League boys that run the team and their computers, they say there's no such thing as a clutch situation or whatever, or a clutch is not anything to be factored in. Well, but there are clutch situations. I mean, when the Yankees have the bases loaded and D.D. Gregorius comes up and Houston switches pitchers and he swings at the first pitch

and grounds back to the pitcher. That's not great. I don't know what analytics say, but you know what John O'Connell says? That's not great. Not good. Not good. When Judge comes up and strikes out numerous times with guys on base, when they have multiple guys on base and they can't do a goddamn thing to put any kind of pressure on Houston to tie the score, to take a lead,

to maybe put some doubts in Houston's mind, they can't get any kind of a clutch hit. So you say, well, yeah, the Yankees have Torres and they have Judge and they're not paying him a lot of money. Judge is a phenomenal player. I said last night that he stinks, but he does stink in the postseason. I mean, he made some great defensive plays. He did some things.

He got some walks. He's not there to get walks and get singles. He's there to hit the ball out of the ballpark with guys on base. And he strikes out every single time on that low and outside pitch. I don't know why they can't teach him, don't swing the bat at this. He did nothing. Gary Sanchez, you know, who's legendary in the regular season, 38 home runs and everything else,

he can hit all the home runs he wants against Baltimore. What makes you a great Yankee is what you do in the postseason. And he, once again, is a complete no-show in the postseason. So I don't know if it's in his head or what, but if you're counting on guys like Judge and Sanchez who carry you there in the regular season and put up phenomenal numbers, and then if they

no-show in the postseason... Excuse me. That's my allergies. I'm not overcome with emotion here. Maybe it's a little of both. I'm sorry you're crying. No, no. Just allergies. So when those guys don't show up in the post. Maybe it's a little of both. I was talking to you crying. No, no, just allergies. So when those guys don't show up in the postseason, it's just deadly. And, you know, I think they could have certainly used another starter. I would have gone out and gotten Corbin.

You know, at the deadline, they could have had Dallas Keuchel, who I know wasn't lights out, but is an upgrade over Jay Happ, that they could have just had for money without having to give up prospects. And the notion that the Yankees are ever going to get like outbid by somebody is so sacrilegious. I literally can't believe that George Sambrena hasn't risen from his crypt and strangled his son because the notion that they can get outbid for players that they want when they desperately need pitching, starting pitching, you know, maybe that could have made the difference to get them to home field. Maybe games one and two are in New York instead of Houston. Maybe that could have made the difference to get them home field.

Maybe games one and two are in New York instead of Houston. Maybe you win game two and you start putting all kinds of pressure on Houston. So the fact that they get outbid on guys, and it's like looking forward now, it's been 10 years since they've been in a World Series, and you look forward now and all these people in my timeline on Twitter are like, oh, well, they'll go get Cole. They'll go get Cole. Well, what have we seen in the Yankees history in the last five years that suggests they're going to go get Garrett Cole? What have we seen in that? There's nothing

to show that. Or, you know, Strasburg opts out. They're going to be in on Strasburg. No, they're not. They're not going to spend any money. And what they're going to sell you on is, well, we had a lot of injuries and we were set back by, and we didn't have Severino all year, and now we're going to have a full year of Severino, and Jordan Montgomery is going to be back, and they're going to pitch you on Davey Garcia, this prospect they have, and that's what they're going to sell you on. So the notion they're going to go get Cole,

and they're going to go get Strasburg is ridiculous. And even if they did get those guys, I don't have any confidence they would do what they do with the teams they currently are on because the Yankees go out and get Sonny Gray, who's a Cy Young candidate. He's horrible in New York, and then he goes and pitches in Cincinnati, and he's like a comeback player of the year candidate. So I wonder if there's some, either it's Larry Rothschild, who should be out the door tonight. I would have left him in Houston.

Or there's some organizational philosophy where their pitching is not even adequate. It's ridiculous. And Paxton, who was supposedly phenomenal, wasn't really lights out until the second half of the year when he suddenly turned it on. But the first half, he was not great. So I'm not sure what their analytics boys are doing in terms of pitching, but they need to upgrade the software on that.

And then you look around the American League, the Red Sox, I mean, whatever they do with Betts and Martinez and Sale and Price, you know, are getting younger. The Red Sox are still going to be the Red Sox. They're, you know, a fantastic organization. They're not going anywhere. Oakland is good. The Angels are apparently the favorites to get Cole. So if you have Cole and Otani and Trout, suddenly you're a dangerous team.

The Twins just won 100 games. The Indians are always good. So it's not like, well, the Yankees will just, you know, they'll beat Baltimore 47 times again next year and win 105 games and waltz into the postseason and no problems. I mean, they can't cancel that in. The White Sox have a lot of dudes too. The White Sox have all kinds of prospects. I have some good news for you.

Yeah. Next year is the last year you have to pay Jacoby Ellsbury. Oh, that's good. I've got that going for me. 21.1 million finally expiring. Yeah. Sadly, it's only the second year we're going to be paying Aaron Hicks on his seven-year contract to

hit 230 and be injured. And it's only, what, the third year of Giancarlo Stanton, who couldn't even show up on the first base. I was going to ask about old Giancarlo. What are your thoughts through two years on the Yanks for him? I'm not the biggest

Giancarlo fan. I literally don't understand how this guy who's like this Greek god and I know everybody's going to be like, well, you know what it is. It's Dan Roy's PB. Save your tweets. Just save it. I'm not in the mood. Save it. How the guy cannot run to first base

as a professional athlete without ending up on the DL or the excuse me, the aisle for multiple days and weeks. How he plays in game one, you know, he eventually hit a home run, I guess, in game two, I think it was. And rounding the bases somehow he injures himself. I just don't understand that. I'm not I'm not even close to being a professional athlete. I'd like to think I could run 90 feet without being in the hospital. I have a question. Out of his 72 at-bats during the regular season, what was your favorite? It's hard to pick just one. They all were so good. There's two elephants in the room. I'll do the first one first. I don't feel like you believe in Judge. And he's supposed to be the next

guy. He's taking the mantle from Jeter. He's one of the new faces of baseball and all this stuff. And my feeling with you is you just don't seem to believe. Well, here's the other thing I'll say about Judge. I think Judge is a stand-up guy. He talked to the media last night.

But you know what judge does a lot. Judge has a lot of this swagger and the Yankees have all this swagger and they do this thing, you know, after they beat the twins, which they do all the time, you know, they're handing out championship belts to Gleyber Torres and they're walking the walk. And on Twitter, they're like, we're going to defend the Bronx. You know, when they're playing the Red Sox, he's playing New York, New York outside of their locker room and everything. And then everyone's like,

rah, rah, that's great. You know what you they're playing the Red Sox, he's playing New York, New York, outside of their locker room and everything. And everyone's like, rah, rah, that's great. You know what you have to do if you're going to do that shit? Back it up. Get a hit in the postseason. Get a big fucking hit. Get a clutch hit. Do something in the postseason. Walk the fucking walk.

Everybody's good at talking the fucking talk. Walk the fucking walk. Do something. Derek Jeter and the Yankees of the 90s, they didn't talk a lot of smack. We're going to defend the Bronx. Jeter never said anything. You know what Jeter did? Hekees of the 90s, they didn't talk a lot of smack. We're going to defend the Bronx. Jeter never said anything. You know what Jeter did? He produced in the postseason.

You know who did talk a lot? Reggie Jackson. You know what he did? And I'm not a big Reggie Jackson fan remotely. You know what he did? He talked shit to everybody and patted himself on the back until he broke his arm. You know what he did? He had three home runs in a World Series game to single-handedly win it.

Yeah. You can get away with that shit when you do stuff. When you strike out 29 times, or 41 times in 29 postseason games, take it easy with that, with the swagger. And people have mocked me up left and right on Twitter because now, apparently, the face of the New York fucking Yankees is Nick Swisher, who was on the Yankees for like three years

and was known for big... He's like the Kevin Millar of the Yankees. He's like the clown prince of the Yankees is Nick Swisher, who was on the Yankees for like three years and was known for big. He's like the Kevin Millar of the Yankees. He's like the clown prince of the Yankees. He's throwing out first pitches. And I'm reading on Twitter where one of the Yankees beat writers wrote a book and all these guys are so influenced by, by Nick Swisher when he was in Scranton and took them to the Waffle House and they all love Nick Swisher. And Nick Swisher was Mr. Swagger and never did jack shit in the playoffs or anywhere else for that matter. And I don't understand who it is that has appointed Nick Swisher as the face

of the Yankees, but that's probably a big fucking problem in my eyes. I enjoy that. He's the face of the Yankees. Cause the current face of the Yankees is the other elf in the room. It's, it's been one title this century. Yeah.

It's been zero world Series appearances this decade. And I feel like the Yankee fans are starting to get a little testy about it. I'm going to be honest with you. I think it's time for Cashman to go. Wow. And I don't know if it's Cashman and maybe he's hamstrung by Hal Steinbrenner, who has a, unlike his father, has a budget and he's not going to exceed it. But they're the kings of analytics.

We have all these analytics and you hire not going to exceed it. But they're the kings of analytics. We have all these analytics. And you hire Boone to be the manager who has as much say in decisions as I do, probably less. And he gets told what to do by the analytics boys. And the analytics boys have their computers. And so far, that approach is not working. The Larry Rothschild, Aaron Boone analytics crew ain't working because the New York Yankees with their payroll and the level of talent that they allegedly have should have at least been in a World Series.

I'm not even asking you to win one. Can you be in one? I think the Stanton trade really hurt them because it seemed like such a smart trade at the time, right? Well, that's the thing. I mean, he likes, you know, they basically gave him to him. And the guy was reigning NL MVP. You start to, you know, salivate about

the notion of him and Judge back-to-back in the lineup. And, you know, who would turn that down in retrospect? You know, when you're the Yankees and you can afford to pay anybody, why would you turn that down? But yeah, it's worked out disastrously. D.D. Gregorius? Free agent? Yeah, there's no way they're going to bring him back.

Any farewell words for him? I enjoyed D.D. It's crazy to think he's the guy that replaced Jeter and it was like, oh my god, who's going to replace Jeter? And how do you fill these shoes? He more than adequately filled that role. He has, he had numerous big moments in the regular season, but he's another guy that completely, you know, and he's recovering from Tommy John surgery, but you know, he's been back since like July, June or July. So I'm not sure we're going to use injuries as an excuse anymore, but he was terrible. The second half of the season, terrible.

And he was horrendous in the postseason, just horrendous. So there's no way they're giving him a contract when they have, you know, they have Urshela and they have Gleyber Torres and they have LeMayhew and they have Andahar coming back next year. So there's no way they're going to pay DD. Yeah, I think he's gone. How about your boy Chapman? He can opt out of his deal. He's got two years, 30 million left,

but can opt out. My guess is that he would opt out of that. Yeah. Everybody seems to think he's going to opt out. I mean, you know, everybody was killing him for the, for the smile or whatever. And ironically I really wasn't because I think he was just like, that was just like a shock thing. Like almost like a shock, like, oh my God, what just happened? Like, you know, I don't know, you know, just complete shock. I don't, I can't kill him for that. And I like Aroldis.

He's been like, I'm on a first name basis. I like Aroldis. He's not funny. What the hell's wrong with me? I like A-Dog. You know, I was just saying to him this morning uh no um i like chap and you know i don't understand and this may be a phil again a yankees philosophy thing when you can throw 105 miles an hour throw the ball 105 fucking miles an hour and if you get

beat when you're throwing 100 plus tip your cap to him don't fucking get beat on your second best pitch a slider don't throw a slider there. Two times in a row. But you know what? In Yankees lore in 1996, Mark Wohlers, who was the great closer for the Braves,

he gave up the home run to Layridge to tie the game in game three, which turned the whole series around. He did it on a slider. Don't get beat on your second best pitch.

Threw the ball 105. My guess is he's out and Batances blew out as a killie, so he's no longer an option for next year, too. So the vaunted bullpen depth might be the same. He's also a free agent, so you go from the bullpen

depth that was their strength. I don't know if Chapman's going to opt out. I suppose he's going to. He's definitely going to. He will definitely make more money than two years, $30 million. Yeah, true. I think he has more money than that. I thought he had a five-year deal with the Yankees.

This was year one of. But I thought he had more money coming to him. So, you know, do they talk to him about extending it and making the pot a little sweeter? Maybe, because otherwise you're looking at, you know, Conley and Britton as your closer, one of those guys, a set-up guy, because otherwise you're looking at Conley and Britton as your closer, one of those guys, a set-up guy, and the other guy's a closer. And, you know, they went out and signed Adovino, who was supposedly another classic Yankees pitching thing.

They go get Adovino, who in Colorado was unhittable. And I'm watching these videos when they sign them, and it's slider, and it can't move. It moves everywhere, and nobody can hit it. Well, they hit it pretty good in the postseason because he couldn't get anybody out. Yeah. And he's another guy that came in and was like, wow, if I was to face Babe Ruth, I'd strike him out. Why don't you try to strike out the number eight hitter for the Astros before we go after Babe Ruth?

How about that? Can we do that before we start swaggering all over the place? I'm sure Nick Swisher loved it when he said he could strike out Babe Ruth. He must have been happy as a clam about that one. At what point do you just, can you no longer look back at the 20th century and, and just look at the 21st century? Because I look at the Red Sox,

you know, at the rate they're going, never. I have to continue to look back to the 20th century. Obviously a drought for the Red Sox in the, in the 20th century turned out not great, like maybe for the last 82 years, but 21st century has been really enjoyable.

Right. Absolutely. Yeah. I could see why you had a good time. Yeah. Right. I'm, I'm,

you know, I try to look at the now, the here and now Jacko, I don't know if either of our teams are winning the world series next year. I mean, we have the, the Red Sox, the,

the sale extension. I, is next year. I mean, we have the Red Sox, the sale extension. I know nothing would make you happier than Mookie Betts leaving the Red Sox. The schadenfreude of dumb things happening in the Red Sox

is really what's starting to drive you as a Yankee fan, which is interesting because that used to be what drove me as a Red Sox fan just hoping bad things

happened in the Yankees. It does feel like a role reversal. It does. It's horrendous. It's awful. Right now, it's only 24 hours, so it's all very raw. I'm like, why do I want to put myself through this again next year?

What, am I going to get all excited because they're going to win 15 games against the Orioles and 12 games against the Blue Jays and split with the Red Sox and they're going to win 90 plus games and we're going to do this all over again next year. I don't know.

Of course, come February, I'll talk myself into Zach Britton as the closer and I'll be all gung-ho, but right now I'm questioning my choices. A broken jack-up. Before we go though, I was thinking with Giancarlo Stanton, maybe some yoga?

Maybe lay off the free weights? Maybe. Maybe go to a yoga vegan diet, talk to some actresses in Hollywood out here, and just try to reposition the body, maybe not have so much bulk? Maybe a little hot yoga. Hot yoga, that's a good idea. Dave Jacoby does hot yoga. A little hot yoga, I think, loosens things up.

This is the thing. The old baseball players in the old days, they never lifted weights because they said it ruined you. Who are you going to root for in the World Series? Who are you rooting for in the World Series? Oh, I'm rooting for the Nationals. Come on, Joe House. You've got to go with the Nats. Well, House is on a run. I mean, the Caps last year, the Mystics last month,

and now the Nationals. It's all coming up house. Unbelievable. Jacko, thanks for popping on on a Sunday night. My pleasure. Nothing makes me happier as a baseball fan other than when the Red Sox win than when you're very upset at the Yankees. So this was great.

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