The Bill Simmons Podcast - Saquon’s Big Night, a Vegas Savior Idea, Wobbly Washington, Surging Seattle, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Eagles' shellacking of the Rams and the wild finish to the Cowboys-Commanders game (1:43). They also discuss Cardinals-Seahawks, 49ers-Packers, Bears-Vikings, whether Sam Darnold is for real, a close call for the Chiefs vs. the Panthers (33:46), Texans-Titans, Broncos-Raiders, Patriots-Dolphins, and Giants-Buccaneers, where they wonder, "Can Tampa steal the NFC South?" (41:24). Finally, they guess the lines for NFL Week 13 (1:02:05) and close the show with Parent Corner (1:29:06). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can watch all the videos and clips from this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. And coming up, Cousin Sal and I, we taped this or recorded this. I always say taped because I'm old we recorded this episode live on YouTube you can join us every Sunday night if you want to the Bill Simmons channel here we go first our friends from Pearl Jam All right, it is Sunday. It is 8.35 PM Pacific time. Just watch the Eagles absolutely kill the Rams.

Sal, I did something unusual that I wasn't going to bet on this game. And then I watched how bad the Patriots were against the dolphins. And I said to myself, Jesus, they should have beaten the Rams last week. That might be the Rams are bad. And I bet on the Eagles. Yeah. Yeah. That rarely works.

So congratulations, right? When we start playing mind games and, uh, double guessing and triple guessing things, but God, they really did look good. I hate that this is, I hate the giants that much more, not that Saquon would have been good with them. He would have been ineffective and whatever, you know, they don't have an offensive line or a quarterback that could help, but to let him go to the Eagles and now, I don't know, man, they're, they're going to be top two in the NFC almost no doubt now.

Well, it seems like things have tilted too far with the running back position where the contracts went down. Everyone talked about how replaceable they were. And then it hit the point last summer or last spring when Derek Henry and Saquon were both available. They were on bad teams. Their stock was down because of the quarterbacks, the coaching, you know, they're just wasted on the teams that are on bad offensive lines.

And then you grab those guys and put them on a different team and they look superhuman. And I wonder if going forward now we'll just know like in fantasy, in futures and all this stuff. It's like, oh yeah, Derek Henry was on a bad team last year. He should be on a really, he should be in a really good situation this year. I don't know why this was so hard to figure out. So Josh Jacobs also, right? To a lesser extent, not in the top two with those guys, but yeah, I know, I know, I know.

And you need a good running back to go far in January. I was wrong about all of it, but, um, you know, I, I don I know. I know. I know. And you need a good running back to, to go far in January. I was wrong about all of it, but, um, you know, I, I don't know, but Bill, I don't know what to tell you. Melissa Stark's talking about being the recipient of the tush push. And I just, I can't comment. I like this job, Mike. Come on. Thank God we're on a seven second delay.

Thank God. seven second delay. Thank God. Best running back rankings are Saquon and Henry one and two. Yeah. I think if you're doing tandems or running back or Detroit is probably awesome in the conversation, right? So Saquon and Henry, it's the Gibbs Montgomery combo, and then I don't even think we can make them out Rushmore. I think those have been the, kind of the best running back slash whatever, and then it's like a drop off to whoever you'd want to have next. Miami might have a chance to get there,

because it feels like those guys are getting going now, but I think that's the top three at least. I want to put Ezekiel Elliott in there, but I just can't, I can't do it. Um, let's see who else, who else would have been, well, McCaffrey, you want to put McCaffrey, but he's just now, now he's stuck on the bad team. I don't know how that happened. Well, and he doesn't look good is the other issue, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it looks good? No, no, no. I would, I would never say that about another man, but no, I don't, I don't, uh, I don't know. I don't know. He's just, that team has just fallen apart and they were so, so deep and you wouldn't think,

you would think they were like bulletproof for this kind of meltdown, but not the case. No way in hell they're making the playoffs now. Well, Henry and Barkley are one, two and rushing. Josh Jacobs is third and Chuba Hubbard is fourth. Right. So good luck on your fantasy teams, everybody. Yeah. I think Philly, Philly plays Baltimore next week.

So in terms of this offensive player of the year award, like I think it's going to be one next week, even though, even though, you know, I think Barkley is a sizable favorite at this point. And he's sneaking into the MVP conversation. He won't win. Right. It's running back. So aren't allowed to win.

And we'll talk ourselves out of that in two weeks. So we can start with Eagles, Lions, how this is a pretty amazing NFC, or we could just do the gambling angle of how Washington absolutely murdered a slew of three team teases, moneyline parlays, just, oh, I'll throw Washington in. Literally nobody on Dallas is playing. Backup QB, they're missing five of their best seven guys. They need the win. I'll just put them in there.

And we haven't had one of those in a while, Sal, where it was just a mass murder, John Wayne Gacy style, going into the basement, just getting decapitated. Just brutal. And then what made it even worse was you're like, oh, I can't believe I lost that game. And then somehow Washington comes back with this insane McLaurin play that happens once a year, and they make it, and that fucking kicker is lining up and I'm like, I should be more nervous right now.

And then I'm like, I am nervous. And then of course, terrible snap. You knew once you saw the snap, he was going to hook it. Not only did he hook it, he missed it by I would say 10 yards. And, and they end up losing the T's anyway. Probably the other than the Hail Mary, maybe the second biggest Gambi moment of the year. Yeah, I would think so.

I would say so. But this one was a sloppy, sloppy slop fest from the start, right? And also, I don't know what's going on with the kickers. Were we just too spoiled in the first few weeks when everybody was making 59 and 61 yarders? And now, it doesn't even seem like it's raining but everybody's kicks are getting blocked or sailing far right on extra points. But yeah. Fair Baron today from 28.

Oh yeah. Yeah. And people are like, well, you know, they put more loft on it if, if it's closer. These coaches have to get closer. I'm like, I don't think so. I don't know. I just don't know if anyone's blocking in practice, but yeah. And I was, I really wanted to be mad at my team.

Like what is that McLaurin bullshit? Like, are you kidding me? We can't lay a finger on him. And then when they missed the extra point, I'm like, can't you just let me be mad at my team? Right. Can you call a timeout before the PAT so I could be mad for three minutes? Exactly.

But the commies did a communist thing by not letting America cash on their three team teaser. You're right. I think Washington. So we, I remember betting on Washington for the division at the height of the, wow, it looks like Washington's going to actually be really good time of the season. And if you, if you go with the, if the hail Mary doesn't happen, there are 500 teams and they are way worse.

So 12 games now they're way worse in the second six than they were in the first six questions about whether they're even a playoff team at this point. That was like get to 10. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, it was a suspicious line. There's no question. The line was too high.

It was priced for maniacs like us to make us think twice before we did a three-teamer with them. But there was just no way I was going to be nervous with Dallas. I texted you after the game. The weird thing about this game was Dallas played well. Right. Like you moved the ball, you ran the ball. Cooper Rush was pretty good.

Like he was throwing completions. I was nervous in the second quarter. I didn't like how it was going. Cooper rush was pretty good. Like he was throwing completions. I was nervous in the second quarter. I didn't like how I was going. The defense was really active. Washington couldn't run the ball at all. And, uh, and you played well enough that I actually had to, you know, I had to redo the play out, I had them as a cross off. I don't know if.

Oh, stop this garbage. Are you talking, what are you talking about? Yeah. You're I can see you smiling. That's a nice little smirk you have there. No, it's not Michael Corleone in Godfather 3. It's Sobio as Michael Corleone. Just when I put my hands out, they pulled me back in.

No, they're crossed the hell off. They're, look, this is, they got up for this game. Sal? Not that, not that. You're not crossed off yet, Sal? I can see, you're nuts. You're absolutely nuts. Four and seven, you're nuts. You're absolutely nuts. Four and seven.

You're playing the Giants next week on Christmas. You're gonna be five and seven. You beat Cincy at home and then you're at Carolina. You can be seven and seven in three weeks. As a friend. Don't tell me you didn't look at this. Have more decency. I looked at it a month ago.

I know what's up again. We have too many home games, first of all. We're gonna get crushed, but I think we got up for this. And by the way, there's no way, you know, I didn't predict this ahead of time. I was with the rest of the world, but we got up, want the show off for Dan Quinn. And, uh, just the same, we still needed two returns for touchdowns where our guy went on touched to, uh, to, to, to pull it off. So I don't know.

I'm not, I'm not buying this. You miss the guy. I missed not, I'm not, well, you need it more than that. You miss the guy. I missed two PATs. Yeah, right. He missed two field goals. They got a pump block. We missed it.

And they gave up two kickoff touchdowns in the last five minutes of the game, which has to be a record. And one of the kickoffs was like mishandled at the one and he, they still didn't get a finger on Turpin who's very fast. But look, this is maybe it's this, maybe we have to look at these division games like we did in college when we're like, no, no division game, take the underdog. I think every division game, except for yours ended up one score today. That's not to say all the underdogs covered, but it was at least one, right. Competitive games.

I think that was four or five out of six. So. So Tennessee, seven and five, I mean, Washington seven and five, they have Tennessee next week, bi-week at New Orleans, home Philly, home Atlanta at Dallas. There's a nine and eight in there. And you guys, you, you would have at Philly in week 17, which seems like a terrible game, but they might have everything locked up and they might have the two seed locked up by then and that game might not even matter for them.

But you play Washington in week 18 and there's a scenario where you're a game back from Washington in week 18. All the NFC West teams have just all beaten each other. They're all nine and eight. There's some nine and eight, you know, clusterfuck that you could sneak in. I know you're thinking this deep down. I know you are. There's a scenario where I reach through the zoom and strangle you right now, because how do you, Packers in, right?

Packers eight, right? The Vikings have nine, they're in. And then you don't think like, first of all. I'll give you six playoff teams right now. Lions, Philly, Seattle, and Atlanta. Let's say those are our four division winners. Minnesota's in and Green Bay's in, so there's six. Okay.

Washington's seven and five. Arizona's six and five, You're two behind them. The Rams are five and six. You're a game back from them. Niners are five and six and Tampa's five and six. Nine and eight could get this seven seed. You can't rule it out. You can't.

When could Dak come back? I'm ruling it out. He can come back as far as I'm concerned when he can come back or when he can come back? I don't know, he could be back. He could be back by the end of the year. I don't think so. Why are we talking about this? I love this.

I really hate this. I hate that you wrote me in here. I love it, because I like torturing you. You're gonna be five and seven after Thanksgiving. We bet that you play the Giants. Atlanta's gonna win some dumb shit ass games, so they're gonna get to nine wins, right? And I don't know, Seattle and Arizona,

someone stupid will get that seven seed, don't worry. But I? And, um, I don't know, Seattle and Arizona, someone stupid will get that seven seed. Don't worry. But I will say I'm less, if your point is the NFC is not scary at all, except for the two teams and we can lock the lions and Eagles in for the championship game. I'm all ears. Like I would, I would take odds on that right now. I don't like any other team. Atlanta is going to win their division because they still have.

Vegas and the giants in Carolina left. I thought we bet the, did you not bet Tampa? We said we were going to bet Tampa. You didn't know if we ever did. Tampa's five and six. We did say that, but you play Tampa. You play Tampa on week 16. I'll say this about Washington.

Obviously you have to watch him today. You should be less confident in them, but they are a completely different team that we fell in love with that punted twice in three weeks or something. Like their offense is very, are you going to get two touchdowns out of that offense? You can't guarantee it. If you look at their slate, it doesn't matter who they play. You can't guarantee that. First half, Quiff Kingsbury, second half, he does this, right?

That's his history. They can't run the ball. All right, be honest. You have to swear in your kid's life, all your Cowboys text threads you were on today, not one of them was like, hey, what's the path for us to make the playoffs? This wasn't discussed on the text thread. It was, but in a joking way, I think. Like I even tweeted

Super Bowl, bound and all that. That doesn't count. Oh, Sarudy says Dak is officially out for the season. Yeah. I think he's, yeah. The IR puts him out. What if you signed Daniel Jones tomorrow? Well, I thought it'd be funny just to match them up against Cutlets, but I don't know. No, we're not getting to nine wins. We're not doing it. We will not do it. Can't be ruled out, Sal. You're crazy.

I wanted to make fun of your team. This should not be a complete victory. Well, we're going to do that later. Don't worry. I have plenty of spots for that. Do you think the Miss Paid T by Washington canceled out the Hail Mary? Now we're back to even. It's like a zero sum game.

I guess so, but they've been kind of crappy for a couple of weeks now. Right. So, um, I don't know. A momentum wise might kill them further, but, uh, they have not been good at all. I'm going to read you three David Chang texts on succession. Oh, let's hear it. Washington fan, David Chang. I quit this team.

Then McLaurin touched down. I'm back, baby, I'm back. P-A-T, fuck this game. Three in a row, just like the span of a minute. That was a roller coaster ride of an awful loss. Especially because everyone there is probably like, oh my God, hail Mary a couple of weeks ago, now this crazy McLaurin play we're going to win an OT.

Here we go. But Daniels isn't what he was right. Like even when he takes off, he looks slower. I don't even know if it's ribs that with the original injury, but, or maybe it's just a long season. It's finally gotten to them. Look, I think they can miss the playoffs because if you look at the five lost teams, they have five losses.

So does Arizona. So is Seattle, you know, and there's one spot. Well, Rans, Seattle, whatever. There's an NFC title team, but then NFC West title team, but then there's another spot for the wild card. So Washington had this, they were seven and two now it's like, holy shit. Um, Atlanta has five losses, Tampa six losses. So I liked the way Tampa looked today and Tampa's finally gotten their team back.

Evans played today, cornerbacks are back. So they can't be ruled out either. I don't like that. You didn't bet them with me at five to one. We set it on like, when you say you're going to bet something with a friend, that's like worse than then you don't do it. It's like sleeping with his wife. Like I can't believe you didn't take it.

I was going to bet it with you. And then I remembered that we weren't allowed to bet on the NFC South in a positive way. It was on the shorting. No, I know. But plus 450, I love Tampa schedule the rest of the way. You know what I'm noticing? As always, I'm reading your facial cues. First 10 minutes of the pod. How many, how many bets did you have Washington in?

Like all of them? Oh, not all of them. Probably like 70, but not all of them. How many types is Friday and Saturday? Notre Dame, some UFC that I didn't even get to see that was in China. Yeah. I mean, I had it all. I had it all.

And it's always worse when it's your team. It's like, ah, I can't even get weirdly excited for my team because the other team screwed me. You make fun of me for that. I know. Welcome to Who's Delivering presented by Uber Eats, where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out of nowhere surprises. I think Saquon's the number one guy on this list because it's not just that he improved their running back situation and just makes them more dangerous when you see all their

playmakers now, the, the cert now, but, um, the, the finishing ability, him, this team that yo is felt like they would start out great and then they would kind of limp to the finish of, of these games. He never felt a hundred percent on them. And now, now it just feels like they can extend leads their game behind Detroit. The lions are like, we've won nine straight. How do we not have a bigger lead than this? So I would say, I would say Barkley number one for me.

What do you have? I would say, well, this is down the list a little bit. Although in terms of like next year for fantasy, Cortland Sutton, and nowhere 90 plus yards and three of his last five games touchdowns all over the place, Bo Nicks, Cortland Sutton, maybe a top five hookup. Like which first round wide receiver that everybody swung and missed on would you take over Cortland Sutton at this point?

Not too many. All those 30 to $40 DJ Moore, Jaylen Waddle types. The other thing is he's made tough catches. Like he'll make touchdown catches in the corner with two guys on him Getting the feed in yeah, he's good. They the other one I'd want to mention for this is a Jackson Smith in the jig boat the the Seattle guys 336 yards in the last three weeks But feels like every time they need a first down anytime it's third and eight third and eleven third and seven

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Mitsubishi drive your ambition. So speaking of JSN, Seahawk 16 Cardinal six, this game killed me. Yeah. I think you had a lot more riding on this one. I could tell by our texts. I like the Cardinals a lot. Um, the game came down to two terrible Kyler Murray plays. That's really, I mean tell by our texts. I like the Cardinals a lot. The game came down to two terrible Kyler Murray plays.

That's really, I mean, Gino threw a pick in the end zone, but you factor that in when you're taking the Seahawks, you know, he's going to have one terrible pass. Right. Kyler had been playing pretty well and pretty responsibly. The game flips in third quarter on this fourth and one where he rolls out. And then he has the guy. He just has him for a little five yard flick pass and sails it right over his head. It's a pick six and they were on the Seattle side and it just, it was like at least a 10 point swing. That was one.

And then the other one, he just missed McBride when they're driving in the fourth quarter where if they had scored, they would have been able to get the ball potentially back with four minutes up. But here's where I landed Sal. I don't know if I have, who's your career leader in? God damn it. Why the hell did I bet on that guy, guys? Because I think Kyler is number one for me. He sucked me in nine different times where he's done this to me. And I always forget. It's like, it's like, uh, one of your friends who just has terrible taste in women and dates the same type of woman over and over again.

And you're like, why'd you, what is it not girl like Jenny from before? No, no, she's different. And that's like, ah, you're right. Same thing. Yeah. I just, I can't quit Kyler Murray just getting kicked in the teeth by him. Mine's Philip Rivers. Well, I mean, Phil Rivers or Matt Ryan, I'm not even sure they're different

people actually. I think they might be the same, but it was those two currently. There's just so many. I couldn't even name one, but you're right. He was three for 12. If he had little better of a game and they would have won. Yeah. Three for 12 and third downs and still favored to win that division of plus one 55.

Still favored. 16 pressures on him during the game by Seattle. Five sacks. Their defense, Raheem was calling on this on the Ringer Sunday pregame show today. He was saying how he thought Seattle's defense was coming on. They did get some guys back in the middle. The thing that shocked me, one of the reasons I really liked Arizona was I thought they'd be able to run up the middle

and really run on them. And especially with Connor, physical, the type of team that Seattle's had a lot of trouble with this season. And Connor had eight yards. But they locked him down. The Arizona score of only six points is kind of crazy. That team has talent.

Um, but that was the first time. This is a must win for Seattle, right? This would have been five in a row at home and only the Cowboys do that. Like, so I, I, I'm not even sure. And it looks like Vandal's not sure either that Seattle is, uh, back to, um, you know, their Marshawn Lynch days, really, they're not even favorite to win after taking this game. The only team I'm willing to cross off mentally, I wouldn't cross them off with

Penn, but with maybe with pencil is I think the Niners are just a wrap. Oh yeah. I don't see it. I, it's just, and we do this every year with it, with at least one NFL team, where we're just, we're past performance judging them and we don't want to see what we're watching now. They've lost too many guys. They're not the same team.

And it wasn't even that they didn't have Purdy today. Their defense got annihilated. The Packers ran it. Jacobs was the best guy in the field. They couldn't get their defense off the field. So even if Purdy had played or not, I don't think it would have changed the result. Too many injuries. When McCaffrey was hurt, right?

They had like, you know, the good fill-ins. That was fine. They, you know, they kept their heads above water. And then like, all right, Ayuk is out. All right, it's all right. They still have, you know, oh, well, Debo Samuel hasn't done anything. Well, then you convince yourself Joanne Jennings is great.

Now it's like, wow, they have really nothing offensively if Kittle's going to play every other game. But the one thing I thought today is like, didn't you feel like I'm not betting the Packers because we haven't praised Kyle Shanahan in years. And this could be the game where he puts it together a nice game plan for Brandon Allen. Nope, nope, nope. Not even close.

It's over. So I had the Packers for million dollar picks, then Purdy got hurt and the line went up and I was like, this has all the makings of a stay away in real life. The lines up too high, Shannon. So I wasn't going to bet it. And then the Washington game happened. I'm like, all right, Broncos with the Packers. Just throwing teams together to try to win money back.

But I still like this Packers team. And I know even today, like love wasn't great today. He was fine, but he missed. He had Watson had, what do we make of Watson? Is he just, like I was texting our fantasy guys, Danny, Danny, Craig about it. I was just like, is this guy, has he killed more fantasy teams

and seasons than any, he's not like he's like a marquee receiver, but this past today is wide open. He's running like a gazelle. He's beating two guys. It's right in his hands and just like muffs it like the dude from the replacements. But anyway, that, that was love's big, uh, big touchdown that he didn't get. Um, but I thought they looked pretty good. Yeah, they did. And, you know, they stomped out whatever offense the 49ers had, so it didn't matter. And they had good field position most of the way, but yeah, like they're, they're definitely a playoff team.

They're definitely not as good as I think we get accustomed and we'll talk about the Vikings, but you think teams like Green Bay and Minnesota should crush. Other teams like the Lions do every week. And they don't until this week when Green Bay stepped up. But you know what, you did a smart thing because too, you just can't rely on bad quarterback. So it's a miracle that Levis won. It's a miracle that Cooper Rush won. And then you're like, all right, that's out of the way.

This is, this is filling out nicely. I'm going to go against Brandon Allen and who else did you go against? Mintchew? That's a nice little, Well, I think that was one of my favorite favorites all week. We had them in million dollar picks teased with, uh, Washington and Casey, two, two teams that almost lost. I should have just done the Broncos, uh, money line.

I love the Broncos against the Raiders. So the, the Packers are somehow eight and three. Yeah. Doesn't feel like an eight and three season, but that it says that's their record. So they're going to be no worse than a sixth seed. And I think you want to be the sixth seed this year because that means you're either playing the NFC South, Atlanta or Tampa, or you're playing, you know, Seattle, Arizona. Well, those two, the seven plays the two, the six plays the three.

Three seats is going to be their NFC West or NFC South. Yeah, that's fine. So they're right where they need to be. But then if you're the sixth seed, you also, oh, do they recede after the, in round two they do. Yeah, this is, they have the play Detroit in round two. Yep. Yeah.

But now you want to be the five seed. Well, I would thinking about it. If it's Minnesota favorite at Atlanta, if, uh, if it's that, that's a first round match. I mean, I wish minutes, I wish I can get into Minnesota. I can't bet them any weeks and, um, they're a weird team. Like Donald goes for 330, but Jefferson only has Minnesota. I can't bet them any weeks and they're a weird team. Like Donald goes for 330, but Jefferson only has 27. I don't know. He had seven at the end of the regulation.

Yeah. That's right. So our seeds right now would be two seven Philly, Washington, three six Seattle, Green Bay, four five Atlanta, Minnesota. Right. And I think you're right. I think Minnesota is like a two and a half point

favorite. If we don't know what's going to happen in the next five, six weeks. Seattle, Green Bay. See, you go through Green Bay's schedule the rest of the way. First of all, this Miami game they have Thursday night. Now actually a week ago, I wouldn't have said this was that fun of a game. Now I'm kind of excited for it. The way Tua looked today, right? All of a sudden that's a good game. And then they're at Detroit the next week. Then they're at Seattle. So this could go from eight and three to eight and six in, you know, in, in two and

a half weeks, and then they play at Minnesota in week 17 too. So, you know, they could be all over the place. I think you're right about the seven seed getting, having nine wins, which in that case, Green Bay doesn't have to worry about falling to seven. No. They'll get to 10. Plus your team could potentially make it. Shut up.

With Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones leads the Cowboys. Daniel Jones is Jerry Jones' illegitimate son, and we learned about it on Thanksgiving. I can't believe it. How did they do that? Speaking of the Seahawks, really good interception title battle going on right now. We have a three-way tie at 11 with Gino and Mahomes and Love.

And then your guy Sam Darnold, your preseason pick when we did our futures draft, you had Sam Darnold, what was it like 10 to 1? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, it was somewhere around there. He's at 10. He's only one back. He's got 10. Somehow golf isn't in the top four. He had five picks in a game. It doesn't. Yeah. I thought Caleb Williams would be up there too. It's a good, you know, just shaking off the rookie rust, but he had four weeks where he didn't have a touchdown or an interception.

Yeah. He's, did he have one today? What did he have? He had a touchdown today? Uh, he had, he had one that DJ Moore, you know why I know that? Cause I bench DJ Moore. Uh, the, uh, the Seahawks they're at the jets amid could Aaron Rogers be cut rumors, if Aaron Rogers got cut before December, before the Netflix thing came out, what would the odds have been on that in August? Aaron Rodgers will be cut, will be healthy, but cut before December.

100 to one, 50 to one, what would you have said? No, no, it's a freaking basket, it's a basket case. Five to one. Of course that's a pop. Five to one. Yeah course that's a pop. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Or cut.

I, I, I'd feel he walked away from the, from the game. That's what I would think would happen. But, um, I said enough about him, but I don't think they're, um, planning it around any Netflix release at this point. Yeah. He's got, he's going to have the phantom injury, just like we all said. And that'll be that. It's probably going to be this week against Seattle.

It's a home Jets game. So that's Seattle's first game. Gino Smith back at the old team. Then they're at Arizona rematch home Green Bay home, Minnesota at Chicago at the Rams. So we had, I went back and looked at all the future bets I made. And I think I had the most bets on Seattle, which I might've made a mistake and accidentally bet on their over twice. Oh really?

But I had them most on their over to make the playoffs and to win the division. I had to try and affect that. And I thought it was dead two weeks ago. I think that's the only, that's the only division that's going to come down to week 18. I mean, I don't see how it doesn't at this point. I mean, these five and five teams, six and five, they're going to split everything the rest of the way.

And it's going to be for positioning final week and first week in January. Our Sunday night NBC week 18 game. What do they have? Seattle at the Rams or Arizona against San Francisco. So it could be Seattle at the Rams. That feels very, so you gotta go with the quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, if Purdy is still upright, then maybe it has a chance, but I think you're right.

I think Seattle, if the Rams are a game back. Yeah. It all depends, right? They have to be playing for something. So the Niners game, the Niners lose by 28. McCaffrey's 11 for 31. 37 yards receiving. And has had one of the most disappointing fantasy seasons in a while, considering he came back. But there was some...

Green Bay, Dobbs got a concussion. Probably no Alexander, and they're playing Thursday on Thanksgiving. So we'll see what happens with that. Yeah, but the Dolphins have a huge handicap in that they're going to be playing in something less than 72 degrees. Oh, it's going to be freezing. Yeah. I can't wait to talk about that.

It's going to be a fun one. And then San Francisco's at Buffalo, which could be their five and six. That could be it. That's it. That's it anyway. Look at the rest of the be their five and six. That could be it. It's it. Anyway, look at the rest of the even beyond that week. It's really bad. You mentioned Vikings bears.

So they play the Vikings play Detroit in week 18 and they're only a game back. It's not, it's not inconceivable that that game would decide the one seed, but I watched these Vikings games and I felt this way for a month. I'm sure you have too. You're like, how are they doing this? Today, it looked like they blew the game because they didn't get the onside kick. But then Darnold was awesome in OT and that was why they won. All of a sudden Darnold like really heated up and he's done this a couple of times. I can't tell.

Do you think he's sucking us in like Flacco did last year or this is more real? He might a little bit, but you know, just like you said, you were surprised that the Packers had what eight wins. I can't believe this team has nine wins. They struggle with all the teams at the lions and they're game behind the lions. Like you said, they struggled with all the teams at the lions and their game behind the lions. Like you said, they struggled with all the teams that the lions just obliterated. Right. The Titans, the Jaguars, it all came down to like, you know, this

was a fourth quarter game. And, uh, and, and even this one, like the bears, I had the bears plus three and a half, I know you don't like that, but I did have it at three and a half. Um, and, uh, it came, it came down to the kick that, I mean, you have to take away three points on the bear spread every week because of special teams. It's so bad. I've never seen a punt return or wave everybody off and then get hit by the punt himself. The montage of them at the end of the season would be pretty great.

Yeah. So on our Sunday pregame show, your wise wager, right? You're 10 and two now you have the bears three and a half. It was three and a half at seven 57. We start the show at eight Pacific time and at eight 10, the line went to three. I don't know if you moved the line or what happened. I think I did move it. And then take credit for it.

I'm going to say I,, I announced three and a half, and then you text, like, this spread is three everywhere. The spread Nazi, Bill Simmons weighs in. So I was like, what are we going to do? We have graphics everywhere. This is TV. Spread Nazi. I don't know.

You make music documentaries. You don't understand sports where you have to put the graphics on as they're going, but that's how it is. Hey, if you said it was three and a half at 7.57. Thank you. That's when you guys were put the graphics on as they're going, but that's how it is. So, Hey, if you said it was three, three and a half at seven 57, thank you. That's when you guys were starting the show. I'm just saying it was a pretty lucky bet. That's all. That's what I call it.

Pretty lucky break. So Minnesota, they played three games in a row at Jacksonville, at Tennessee, at Chicago, and they won those games by five, by 10, and by three in overtime. In week nine, they beat the Colts 21-13. In week five, they beat the Jets 23-17. And in week four, they won at Green Bay 31-29. They have not had a blowout win since week three when they beat Houston. Their next three games are at home.

Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago, and a Monday night. All super winnable. At Seattle, home Green Bay, at Detroit to finish it. I don't know what their final record's going to be. It could be like 14 and three. Yeah, I know. And they have all these one score wins. And I guess you can compare it to two years ago with Cousins when they had all the one score wins, but they, they won the division and they would, a high seat right that year. This, this time they're going to have to do it on the road. So are they going to, when are they going to surprise us when they blow it or

when they just, uh, march all the way to the Superbowl? I think this is a better team than that cousins team. Really? Yeah. Cause, uh, the Aaron Jones piece, they have two good receivers. Hockinson finally came back. I feel like they can move the ball when they actually need to. And Darnold, I want to not believe it, but he's, you know, we've seen guys, the Gino Baker,

like there's a track record for this now. Worst case scenario, probably Case Keenum. Yeah. Who's also on Minnesota. I just can't explain how Jefferson has 20. He didn't get hurt, did he? Maybe I missed that he sat out. Well, there was one play in the second half. He had like a 60 yard touchdown. He tiptoed down the line and scored and got called back.

Called back. All right. So I think that was his big one. Um, okay. Chiefs Panthers is another one we have to talk about. Chiefs 37 Panthers 27. This was the other sweated out part of the tease that was actually hitting. Yeah. Actually hitting as the Washington game was.

Right. So I have two things on this one. One is that Casey is just Milton Burling it every week now. Yeah. They're barely pulling it out of the zipper in these games. And then it's like, Oh, all right. You guys tied and got the two point. Okay.

Now my home is just like flying around the throne of Kelsey, but it just feels like they're trying to get to January when you watch them. With that said, Hopkins got going a little today. Worthy. Apparently they have Hollywood Brown coming back. Kelsey, this gray always seems to make one big catch. Um, they can run the ball. Their offense looks like it's in better, way better shape than it was a year ago.

Um, D any concern with them yet? Cause I don't have any. Well, it's interesting because I'm both unimpressed with KC and, but I'm also like you, I won't say Milton Burrow. I mean, you believe this, we have plenty of dick jokes in this podcast, but I'll use a more PG 13. I think it's more, I think they were like, they were like playing. It's like when you play horse with your seven year old son

and you spot him, H-O-R-S, but then you don't want him to win, so you try, all right, I'm gonna start doing lefty hook shots and everything, cause you can't ultimately let him win. I think that's what they did. But also what's going on? Like they had, like Mahomes had like 180 yards passing at half, they had 10 points in the first quarter,

it looked like they could score 50. Can they just get back to that after a loss? Do they have to make you sweat it out like this? Mahomes, we have one of the futures bets that we did when we did our future draft was Mahomes to get to 4,000 yards. Oh, he's not, it's going to be, no, it's going to be tight. I think he can do it. He's, he's got an average, like, uh, he's close to, he's at over 2,400 right now.

So he's got an average, I don't know, like two, two 60 a game the rest of the way. But I can't believe I'm sweating that out. My home's going to play every, every games, but 17 games and that throw for 4,000. Yeah, they're going to, they're going to go 15 and two and he's going to be stuck at like 3,700 yards. Yeah. They're gonna go 15 and two and he's gonna be stuck at like 3700 yards Yeah, but you know until Noah Gray starts dating Olivia Rodrigo. I don't think the world is gonna be right. That'd be great Or Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah, that's one thing. The other thing is I thought price young was good in this game

Yeah Especially in the second half. I thought They were plays where they apparently he was 11 for 13 on blitzes. That was the stat I saw on the internet. But there were plays where it just, you kept waiting for him to make a terrible Bryce Young pass or a tip player, but he had a lot of poise. He delivered on some third and longs. Yeah.

Some gutty third down conversions. Yep. Moved around, bought himself time. I don't remember a situation like this. We've seen a guy lose his mojo on a team where it seemed like it was over and then he went to another team, but not in the same season with the same team is pretty unusual. It is bizarre. I think we both thought Andy Dalton, but this was his team for the rest of the year.

Right. And then, um, I don't know, it's not the same as what's going on with Richardson. Although I don't even know what's going on with Richardson because they brought him back. Right? He was bad. He was bad there.

Tough matchup. Yeah. So no, I'm impressed with him. I mean, as long as he doesn't embarrass himself and he's not even close to doing that, he's putting up points and staying close with Kansas City, put them in the 7C. They're getting it before the Cowboys. Carolina. There we go.

The weird thing about this, so Dalton has the job and they're playing okay with him and it looks like he's, and they're talking about, can you trade for Bryce Young? Are they going to wave him after the, like what's- Trade him to the Giants before you go to overseas. Yeah. Dawn gets in a car accident. Right. And he's with his wife and all three of his kids and they're driving home from the school pickup and they get in an accident and it's like they're banged up, but nothing like too bad.

Like they weren't like airlifted to the hospital or anything, but it was like bad enough that he didn't play that week. Right. So young, they have to, they were like, what else are you doing? I guess we got to start Bryce Young. This guy whose confidence would just murder. So the only reason he gets his job back is this bizarre, you know, fender bender with Andy Dalton leaving his kid school, and now he's going to have the

job the rest of the way. Why do you think it's Bryce Young? You think Bryce Young should be brought in for questioning? Interesting. I hadn't even considered that. Wow. You said Interesting. I hadn't even considered that. Wow. You said it. I didn't. No, it was just, I can't remember a weirder saga than this.

It is strange. If anyone has it, gets an offender bender, like he's like us driving our, like you picking up Harrison. And now he doesn't have his job anymore. Not since Tyrod Taylor getting stabbed by the team doctor has there been a weirder way for a guy to lose the job. That franchise, we should pay more attention between that owner and everything else that goes on with that franchise. They're right up there. They're not like Clippers. They're

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Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply, details at fizz.ca. Couple more games I wanted to hit. Titans, Texans, Titans beat the Texans. Texans have a, I think locked down the shaky's game now. I don't think there's any stop in them. It's a wrap now. There's seven and five. Everybody in the AFC wants to play them in round one.

They're really singularly unimpressive. Will Leves who even when he's playing well, still has to throw a pick six to the other team. Like he can't help himself and fumble and does that. But somehow Tennessee wins anyway. You guys talked about this game a lot in the Sunday pregame. We all had them. It had a whiff to it.

Yeah. Well, first of all, there's always one AFC South game that where you're like, no, the first place team has to beat the fourth place team and it doesn't hold true. Secondly, the Titans, like, even though they had no business winning this, their defense is really good. Like by every metric, they're either first, second or third and passing red zone. Take a look at rushing. They held the Texans to 260 yards and 40 yards rushing.

I don't know what's what with CJ Stroud. I hope that he hasn't been figured out because everyone's like, Oh, there's enough tape on them and I'm like, no, I don't want to hear that, but three touchdowns, five interceptions in the last five games, it'll be enough to win the AFC South, but my God, you're right. This is definitely the team you want to play. Does it ever look like he has a ton of time? Yeah. When you watch, it always seems like he's backpedaling

or he's under duress and just. Titans bring it though, yeah. He wasn't under duress against my Cowboys. They missed the 28 yard field goal to tie the game. Right. And then they did have the ball back near the end and he pulled a Norlowski and they ended up getting a safety.

So that was, you know, they hung around, they give up an 80 yard touchdown on the fucking tight end. When does that ever happen? Um, it was a weird one, but a classic AFC South camp. Then Broncos Raiders, the Vegas had now has seven straight losses And Bobby Boccala, Antonio Pierce was playing with his trains and the sidelines again, as his team was trying to cover and somehow did it. Broncos plus or minus five and a half. Raiders guy gets tackled on the one yard line with like 12 seconds left.

They somehow don't score. First and goal 20 seconds left. What's the, what's the odds of the Raiders covering? You think they just need, they need to score first and goal 20 seconds left. What's the, what's the odds of the Raiders covering? Do you think they just need, they need to score first and goal 20 seconds left. No time out. So they're going to pass. They're going to pass and maybe run. QB sneak.

You're probably getting it. But the funnier thing was that they're just running like a non two minute drill down to where everyone else usually kicks the field goal when it gets to like the 30s. So you have more time. They're taking their time going down, trying to make plays. Um, it honestly looked like he was just trying to cover. It is like he had given up on winning the game.

The coach was, but Desmond Ritter's like, you know what? I'm not doing this. I'm not for the moral victories. I'll throw the fade out of the end zone and then I'm going to get sacked. And that'll be that. I'm not even going to rush to the odds, uh, rush to the line. So there are three quarterbacks, Minshew, O'Connell, and, uh, the Ridler, Damon Desmond-River, the big three.

11 touchdowns, 11 picks. Could we have a quarterback for, have more picks than touchdowns this season? Oh, that'll be fun. That's like what we grew up with. Yeah. We're like Richard Todd would have 16 touchdowns and season. Oh, that'll be fun. That's like what we grew up with. Yeah. We're like Richard Todd would have 16 touchdowns and 27 interceptions. Yeah, that's right.

It's, can I read you an unbelievable stat? Yeah. The Raiders have lost eight straight to rookie quarterbacks. So they are now. That's an actual stat? That's a stat. Yeah. That's a, that was from the SBN. Um, so they're like the enhancement talent.

They're like the SD Jones now. Like if you want to get, if you want to make Bo Nicks look good, if you want to make Bo Nickel look good, like in the UFC, you'll put them up against like, what would be the Raiders of the UFC. I think they're more Frankie Williams. Frankie Williams? Got his ass kicked on Piper's pit. Piper really destroyed that guy.

Top three moment of me growing up, sadly. So Vegas has lost seven straight, pretty much guaranteed a top three. This was in the ESPN, the summary of the game. It said, what we learned about the QB today. This is an actual paragraph. While Gardner Mentschie threw aurning third-quarter interception, parentheses, his tenth. And Aiden O'Connell, broken right thumb, is now eligible to come off IR. A short week means Minshew probably still starts at Kansas City,

unless his left shoulder injury is worse than expected. Desmond Ritter, anyone? Question mark. He was strip-sacked upon entering the game, denying the Raiders their best attempt to tie the game. This is a fucking shit show. It's one thing to have bad quarterbacks. Why can't these guys side Daniel Jones? I guess they don't want to. They want to be bad, right?

That write up is like a game changer for Little League, like tries to be nice when they're like, yeah, they made seven errors, but a mighty comeback and they only ended up losing one. But Bobby had a couple of strong swings. Exactly. He picked his nose. He ate some boogers, but then botched it in the bottom of the seventh. Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah. Of course they want to lose, but they have so much to do. This, I don't know what the, I don't think they'll ever be good. Why do I always bet them like, why am I still on this team all the time? You had them to make the playoffs or just over to make the playoffs. I'm an idiot. That was my big swing and miss. I have like 10 swings and misses.

Yeah. Kyle turned the Tik Tok camera. Uh-oh. So Vegas is going to have a top three pick. I would assume their coach Bobby Bockela is not, not going to, he's going to go back to being an uncle junior's driver after the season. They're going to need a coach. They need a quarterback. This has Chardur Sanders and Dion Sanders written all over it, like all over it. And by the way, I'm here for it. Yeah. The Vegas Raiders with Dion and his son,

like I'm, I'm in. That would be great. The merch would be the number one merch. The Sanders, like Hard Knocks, 10 year contract. Like let's go. What are we waiting for? I'm with you. Mark Davis is nothing like, you know, people are saying Chador and Dion go to Dallas. Not going to happen because Jerry, Mark Davis is nothing like Jerry.

First of all, his hair is beautiful. It really is impeccable. Secondly, he doesn't care who gets the spotlight. He just wants to be Raiders. That is the perfect, perfect move for them. Shador and Dion. Do it. People, people like Shador too.

Yeah. Yeah. They, they, they talk about tough. He's athletic and like he's a leader, brings a bunch of stuff to the table. Broncos seven and five, Sean Payton fist pumps at the end of the game. They have Cleveland next week, five week, Indy at the chargers at Cincy. And then week 18 home KC in a game where I assume KC will have the one seed locked up and whoever their backup, who's their backup quarterback this year?

the Chiefs Whoever it is he's playing in week 18. Yeah so Denver looks like a 10-win team. It's amazing. We talked about this in the over under pod before the year and it was you know, they had a lot of the Lot of the makings of a possible like sneaky seven seed, but the defense looks so bad on paper, it didn't make sense. But.

Carson wants, by the way, for, for the chiefs, but I'm with you. The red rocket. Yeah. So he'll, he'll get one more shot at, at goal, but I don't know. What do you think they'll lie? What their odds are to make the playoffs? I was looking at this before we hopped on Denver, probably like minus one 30. Oh wow.

You're good. It's minus one 54. I thought it'd be much higher. Like aren't they going to be, to me, like they're good. They're decent. They can move the ball. They play defense as far as like a, they're well coached. They're not going to embarrass you on national television, right?

They have a Monday night game coming up. It's like the networks are happy to have them. I think this is a good team. They're not gonna get to 10. I have to reorder my, I'm not sure. Like who's gonna beat them out at this point? Not the Colts. And I feel like I've watched a lot of Broncos

cause we get these late games on the West coast and there's only like three or four games. So I feel like I've seen like a lot of their games. And first of all, Nix has gotten, he's just night and day from that Jets game when he threw for 60 yards. It's like a different human being, but it's kind of a badass. Like he talks shit. They had that, they ran a replay today and he's just screaming at the defense of the other team. Now, granted he's like a 30 year old rookie. He's like Scott Bakula

and necessary roughness, but he's the way he carries himself. He doesn't carry himself like a rookie. He's gotten better week to week. I think he has real chemistry with Cortland Sutton, which you mentioned earlier. And I don't know, I could see them in the playoffs and I wouldn't, if they're in the playoffs, I wouldn't be like, Oh, I can't wait to bet against Denver. Like, I think they're pretty frisky. Well, this is a question. If you put the chargers in, right.

Um, you're going to put who else you're going to put in, you're going to put the Steelers in it's chargers, Ravens or Steelers and then it's the Bengals. They have to beat out the Bengals, but the Bengals are like plus three 50. They play the Bengals. So that's going to be another team. Who else? The dogs, the Colts. Uh, yeah, I think they go away this week, but we'll see if they, I, you know, I

agree because it's cold weather, but if they can somehow pull off this green bag game, it gets pretty, it's pretty fun for them because they'd have the jets at home, which is suddenly a way easier game than it looked like when we had this written down before the season where we were talking about their over under, this looked like a death stretch where it went at green Bay home jets at Houston, home, San Francisco at Cleveland at the jets. I was like, Oh my God, it's brutal. Now it's like both of those jets games, San Francisco, like I at Cleveland, none

of those games are hard except this green bed game. Right. So, you know, all they have to do is get to 10 and seven. I get, I mean, much like the Vikings, like I still don't know how they're not doing this with their best player. Like Jefferson can't, hasn't been light lighting it up and neither has Tyree kill. I mean, you got this John who's Smith, who's they should just trade paychecks at this point, like, uh, or maybe Tyree Hill needs to get arrested

every week because he doesn't show up for these games. And I don't know. I just, uh, I think they'll be stuck at eight or nine wins, but like this Denver team, we'll see if they lose this green Bay game, it's going to be a lot. They'll basically have to sweep the rest of the way. Right. Cause they would be five and seven at that point. Uh, the good news for them is in the pregame show for NBC today, Jason Garrett

was raving about Tua who was really good today and compared him to magic Johnson. Right. The way he was spreading the ball around. Magic Johnson, the way he was spreading the ball around. And, uh, at that point, I don't know if NBC has this person on staff, but they're, they're probably should be like one of those giant things that cops use to tase suspects. That's where somebody should just run on the set and just tase Garrett. Yeah.

Well, but in his defense, he would still be smiling if he was electrocuted by Tazer. He'd be like, ah, that's great. Yeah. He's, he's, um, in his defense- And he would still be smiling if he was electrocuted by Taser. He'd be like, ah, that's great, ah, ah. He's, in his defense, he's an idiot. I think that's all you can really say. Yeah, I forgot. Because there's that, I mean, there are like four Taser moments for Jason Garrett.

And like when they're going over the highlights and Baker Mayfield's making fun of Tommy DeVito and doing the hand thing, and Jason Garrett's like, how about a little helping of Gabagool? He's laughing, laughing like a school girl. And I'm like, not that I'm offended because he made an Italian reference. I'm offended that he's the worst head coach

of our generation and he's talking at me through my television set. That's why I can't stand it. Oh, wait, Jason Garrett. I think you'd be offended that he said Gabagool correctly and I didn't when I was half Italian. Yeah, I know. I like you and you are half Italian. So that's a difference. Well, Miami looked good today, but they were playing the Patriots.

I thought the Patriots were a live dog today, that the game would be close and that they'd be able to move the ball up and down the field. And Nefikai watched the game with me and can attest I was about as locked in as I've been in a while in a Pats game. Well, they did move the ball down the field, maybe not up and down. Down the field, the other direction, they had nine first half penalties. Right. But the really special thing is six of the nine were pre-snap, which is basically like, we don't practice. You have pre-snap.

It's like, that's, that's what, like, if you're a high school team and the ninth grade left tackle keeps forgetting that it's on two instead of on three. It's six pre-snap penalties. May got sacked four times, but was running for his life half the game. In two turnovers, one was May's fault, one wasn't. It got tipped. May loses a challenge. Did you see this?

Yes. I know what you're going to say. They throw to Waddle for the viewers. They throw to Waddle for 19 for a first down. And there's also a pass interference on the play. So it's a first down either way for the Dolphins, but it looks like the ball hits the ground. Mayo says, fuck it.

And challenges the catch to, I guess, save 14 yards. Right. And then they, they said, no, it was a catch. So we lost our challenge on a play that would have been a first down anyway, for dolphins, like you see stuff every week with this team that you just never see before we had the same left tackle had three pre-snap penalties in the first half. This coach is really something else. I was like, ah, you're exaggerating, but you saw his comment in the post game presser. He said, oh, there's not much I could do once they cross the white line. It's like, oh my God, you're not supposed to say that.

You definitely didn't say that in the interview. Like, of course there's both just like you said, they should be coached better. And then they wouldn't be having these pre snap penalties. Like, well, there's not much that's like you and I saying, well, why would we do a podcast, let the players do the talking and then we'll see what the records are at the end of the year. What the hell is he doing? This team.

It's so frustrating because I really think Drake's good. And they'll start every drive with run into the middle for one, or there'll be a false start. Now it's first and 15, or it's a run play where the guy gets tackled four yards behind. Like I've never seen a team have more second and 14, second and nine, second and 15, second and 12,

and just over and over again, they're behind the eight ball. And then when they actually make a play, if they're driving, Drake throws a really nice play, Ramon Drabik's a tackle, they get 20. Nope, that's coming back, holding penalty. Just this team that he's saddled on with the worst coaches and the worst offensive line and wide receivers that can barely catch the ball.

And like part of me is wondering like, are we even, I've now reverted back to, should we just sit him for the rest of the season so he doesn't get hurt? Cause it's this bad. But then you watch him and he'll have these series like he did with the Rams last week where it's like, he might win this game by himself. So I don't know what to think. Well, you should think that you're going to bet them over four and a half wins because you know, they're going to surprise you a couple more times. They'll really end and you'll lose like nine draft picks. Yeah. This game today, the, the on both sides, you know, it just shouldn't be like last week, they're just blitzing Stafford over and over again.

It's like rule number one, don't put Stafford. They're just like doing it. The whole game. Right. Today, they just seem completely blindsided by the disc jockey. Disc jockey was like, he was really spinning the tunes today. He was like, all right, yeah. Yeah, Miami sound machine. He got it going. Yeah, I don't know.

Like, look, there are some coaches who like just pull some bullshit and then they get away with it. Like Sirianni. Yeah. I don't know. Like, look, there, there's some coaches who like just pull some bullshit and then they get away with it. Like Sirianni. Yeah. I don't know. Like Barkley's so good. They're going to win regardless of his nonsense.

Like that, that crazy, not to take it back to that game, but when he was like, the first half, yeah. No, when that whole thing with the, with third and 13 or, or fourth and three, right. And then they bring them back to third and 13. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. It's like, it works. No, no. You already And then they bring them back to third and 13. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. But it works.

No, no. You already said, no, you can't come to Thanksgiving. Our table's full. You already RSVP'd. Right. Just what are you doing? But yeah, but he's going to survive that. This guy, Jared Mayo, can't.

The talent's just not there. See, I don't think, I just don't think Kraft's going to pay for another coach. I think we're stuck with this guy next year. The thing that the thing I hate the most is he was such a tough player. Yeah, he was a middle linebacker. He's just a badass. And then as a coach, he just I tweeted today, I was joking that his book would be called scared football. He's just scared the whole game. It's like, oh, it's fourth to one. We better punt.

You know, and even if they're going to like go for it on a play, it's the most predictable play ever when they run some sort of trick play, it's the worst trick play you've ever seen. It just, it looks like they don't practice. Yeah. I think it's going to be, I said this a few weeks ago and I'm going to predict it again, I think it's going to be a really hard week for him in Boston because they were so poorly prepared and coached in the game today.

I don't, I don't know how that's not the preeminent talking point of the week. These guys, just because they're good at something doesn't mean right. Like look at Jason Garrett, horrible, horrible coach. And then he goes on and is even a worse pregame commentator. So how do you even, how could you even tell what's going to be? Well, the problem is if they're not going to fire him this year and then he's, it's not going to really get better next year. Maybe they can change up and support in there.

Like let's say they get day ball. Let's say they signed T Higgins. They just do those two things. Day balls, the OC T Higgins is the wide receiver one. They get a left tackle in the draft. Like they're just noticeably better in a couple of ways. It's still not going to stop how unprepared the team looks. That's what they, and he can, he, you can't blame the players on that when you

could just have guys jumping off sides left and right, they had one play, I think it was Hooper or Henry, one of the tight ends, they had two penalties in the same place. The dolphins were like, Oh, we get to choose. But one of them was the tight end was he was just a foot, like his whole foot was over the line of scrimmage. He was just, he was basically like where the dolphins were. It's like, how are you lined up this way?

You guys are professional football players. Miami didn't have a penalty for two hours. I think really well, I don't know if you're wrong because there's no way to, there's no precedent to tell if craft will fire a coach because you had an unfirable coach for so long, right? But I don't think he's going to be like Jerry Jones, where he's just going to take shots every week and everyone's going to be like, what is wrong with this guy? And he's just going to sit there and take it. He's used to winning.

So he'll make a change. Vrebel was a really good coach who had real ties to the Pats and everybody always thought he would follow Belichick and he's sitting there right now. And I think the fear is you don't get Vrabel, you do another year with Mayo, it's just as bad next year. And now Vrabel will get one of his other jobs. There's like going to be eight jobs open. He'll get one of them.

And then you've missed out on this Vrabel chance. The only other thing I had before we get to get the lines is bucks giants. When you mentioned Tampa trying to steal the NFC South, here's the thing against it. Atlanta beat Tampa twice already and they have a one game lead. So they're basically two ahead of Tampa. Think about it. So, but look at that. Can't they go five in one?

Look at the schedule. It is at Carolina home Vegas at the chargers at Dallas home, Carolina home, New Orleans. Yeah, that could be, they could get to 10 wins. Four and two. I know everybody slips up, but with this offense getting healthy, I think that's four and two or five and one. Do I have to worry about my NFC South bet? The division has 18 wins with six weeks left.

But did you figure out how many automatic wins there are? Like how many division games? There's a couple where they play each other, but we have that. We had two, because one of the ones we did was the NFC East against the NFC South. The NFC East has a three game lead over them, but the Giants probably are winning again and they play a couple of NFC East has a three game lead over them, but the Giants probably are winning again. Right. And they play a couple of NFC South teams. Three weeks ago, it was looking great. It didn't look like the Saints or the Panthers would win another game. And the two receivers went down for Tampa. Now you're going to have

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with up to 35% off toys to stuff their stocking, noise canceling tech to silent their night and fashion like slippers to missile their toes. Shop Amazon's Black Friday deals now. Week 13 guest alliance. I got sad today, because once it's Thanksgiving, it's like almost the end of the regular season and the playoffs and we're, what are we,

60% done with the season now? Yeah. 12 weeks. So this is 13, 12 out so this is 12 out of 20. Yeah. Oh, I guess 12 out of 21. Yeah. We're like 58% done with the season.

Well, I, yeah, I know it gets both ways, right? I'm like, I like sort of went, well, first of all, thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, but then, um, cause it's just football, football, football and food. But I also can, you and I will be able to memorize most of the teams remainder of their schedule. Right. And then, but that's also very sad because there's only, that only means there's a few left.

Yeah. I think saying Thanksgiving's your favorite holiday is not a controversial opinion. Your favorite day, I think is a better conversation. So your single favorite day. Yeah, I can't think of what we'll, yeah, nothing compares. Except when the Cowboys allows it.

I think it's my favorite day too. Yeah. It's great. You don't have to worry about your team losing though, right? You just got bets and food. That's fun. Well, you have, Cowboys-Giants is our second game. It's only the fourth time.

In the, uh, since the merger that these two teams have played on Thanksgiving where they both have losing records. I believe it. So choke on your turkey during that stat. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm set my alarm for a nap for that game. That's for sure. What, uh, what's our guest aligns record? Seven. I'm seven and four? Seven, four and one?

I think you're better than that. Yeah, seven, four and one. You beat me last. I was telling it. Go over how I can make the playoffs at four, seven and one. I wanna hear it. I'm sorry. Sign Daniel Jones to help you with your picks.

Thanksgiving, lions, bears. Daniel Jones is my son. Go ahead. Lion's bears in Detroit. And I think here's my thinking on this. I think they had to jack this up so that you couldn't tease the lions with anyone else. So even though this is probably should be Lions seven and a half, I think it's Thanksgiving and everybody loves Turkey and throwing somebody, no tease in Thanksgiving. I think it has to be Lions by nine.

Okay, good. I get this. I said 10. They're not screwing around with the Lions. It's 10 and a half. That's too high. Well hear me out. Not that I have to convince you the Lions are going to win this game, but I feel like this is the season where they get the monkey off their back in many ways. Dan Campbell beat the crap out of the Cowboys for all that nonsense that went down last

year in the Rego season, right? The 49ers are gone, so they don't even have to worry about them and what happened in the NFC championship. They do have that whole, oh my God, we were embarrassed on Thanksgiving last year by the Packers. I think they're going to be up for this. I don't think this, that happens again. I saw a great Dan Campbell post game speech as I've been pushing. I don't know why this isn't just a Twitter feed of all the post game

speeches and all the lacrims. That's all it is. It's just game ball speeches. He gave game balls to like four people and then was talking about how they were road warriors. Did you see this? Yep. He was like, when I got here, we had 0, 11 and 1 and all of our road games.

And since then we're 16 and 5. And all you guys in this locker room had something to do with that. He's great. He gives a great post game. Probably the number one post game speaker right now. Wouldn't you rather see the, the feed of the losing coaches give their speech? Like Mayo? Yeah.

How great would that be? They'll like, Hey, you know, six pre-stamp penalties in the first half. We got to work on that guys. Oh, that's on you. That's on you guys. No, nothing's on you. Yeah. So guys, when we're snapping the ball, it's like either it's on one or it's on two or it's on three.

You just kind of remember when you get, when you line up. Right. It's gonna be two this time. Then you move when it's two. It's just all numbers. We'll take off till Wednesday. We'll figure it out. Unbelievable. We're gonna been having for another year. Cowboys giants in Dallas. I can't believe I'm doing this, but I think it's Cowboys by seven. Oh, wow.

I said, I said three and a half. It's four and a half. Yeah. I said three and a half. It's four and a half. Yeah. That Vegas, the Vandal Vegas doesn't like Dallas this year. They just put that in the Vegas zone. Huh?

Well, I don't know if you read anything about the giants game today, but, um, apparently the giants were like disconsolate after the game. Like they were all saying after they waved Daniel Jones, like the guys are best quarterback. Why are we waving them? And then they're, Daniel Jones, like the guys are best quarterback. Why are we waving them? And then they're, they're not even playing the second best quarterback. They're playing the third best quarterback. This is why you're not supposed to tank in the NFL. Cause this is violent sport that guys have to commit to at a certain physicality level. And when you have your franchise base like, yeah, we're done.

You know, how do you expect the team to respond to that? The coach is on his way out. The GM's on his way out. The quarterback's not going to be there. Like, I don't understand. Like why would the giants beat Dallas and Dallas? Um, I think we should just go with division game. Underdog is always a spot to win here. I really have no idea.

I don't know. Tommy DeVito. I just, um, yeah, but it was like neighbors going off on table. It was like, ask, ask table why I didn't get a reception until like, or target until the third quarter or whatever it was, but yeah, they're a mess. But you know, Daniel Jones is probably like, I see this guy get sacked. I'm glad it's not me. Just get me on a playoff team as a backup.

There's one. Sober line into this game, which is one of the worst quarterback batch ups we've ever had on Thanksgiving. Yeah. Although Cooper rush wasn't bad today. Tom Brady announced in this game. Oh, wow. That's right.

This be the Tom Brady heel turn game. Could this be his Walter white breaking bad, getting pushed over the edge, shaving his head performance where the quarterback play is so bad and he's so mad that he's working on Thanksgiving. He finally becomes Tom Brady, TV analyst, and he's just ripping guys and actually telling us like what they're doing wrong. Could it happen? Starts beating this shit out of an intern with a turkey leg that's put, put propped up on the set. Do it Tom. What does he have to lose?

Yeah. He owns a team. Is that right? Shave your head. Packers, dolphins is our third game. It's a great game. It's in green Bay and it's going to be freezing cold and you're going to see over the next four days a lot of stats about how bad the Dolphins are when it's super cold, how bad Tua is when it's super cold

and I can't wait to bet on the Packers in this game Sal. Just spoiler alert. I'm gonna say Packers by four. Yeah that's what I said it is three and a half. We split that. Man. All right so what said. It is three and a half. We split that man. All right. So what's the, what's the tease? You know, you're doing a Moneyline parlay. Is it just lions Packers and you'll pay a little juice. Should we do this for Fando?

I'll tweet this out. Go ahead. Fando. Um, so we could do, you can make it simple. I mean, forget that Packers Money Moneyline with. It's minus 120. With Detroit Moneyline. That's minus 120. That's minus 120.

Oh, good thing I'm going to make it that easy. It seems so easy. That's all we have to do. Packers. You'll win that first one by 9 50 a.m. and then you take a nap and then you take some gummies and you take a nap and then you take some gummies and you take a nap, Bill, and you miss that giant cowboy game

and you come back and watch Lambo. They're gonna win. I'm all in on that tease. I feel like we have to grab that right now. I know I would say that, but that minus 120 is not going to be there much longer. Yeah. Let's not screw it over on there's anything. That's it. And then Thanksgiving. So you get Packers Dolphins. And then when it hits midnight on

the East coast, you get to watch my Yacht Rock documentary. Oh yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. It's great. You'll love it. There's no way you won't love it. Oh, come on. Kidding me? Sunday Marquee. Well, come on. Kidding me? Sunday marquee.

Well, hold on. Are you going to do Friday? Oh, you didn't know that was a Friday game. Which one's the Friday game? Raiders-Chiefs. Raiders-Chiefs. And we can't start over because we're live. I put that in the Fairly Watchable. No, I'm not going to change my guess. I forgot about the Black Friday game.

And it's funny because they sent me a T-shirt of the studio guess. I forgot about the black Friday game. And it's funny because they sent me a t-shirt of the studio crew with my face in the middle of it. I should have worn it. Really? And that's how you turn. It looks like I'm in the crew. It looks like I'm ready to have an argument with Sherman. I love.

All right. So Kansas City home for the Raiders. It's probably going to be Ritter, right? Cause that, well, you read that blurb to us. Seemed like it was going to be Ritter. Might be Binshu. It's inspiring. Uh, I have the Chiefs by 11 and a half.

That's what, oh, you get it. I had 11. It's a 13 and a half. That's what, oh, you get it. I had 11. It's 13 and a half. Oh boy. Now listen, if you want to wait just a few hours more and do Lions Packers Chiefs, that gets you in the plus. 103. Yeah, but that's another Milton Berle situation for the Chiefs.

It's Black Friday. I don't trust them. They're not, they lost to them on Christmas. They can't keep losing to the Raiders. But even if you do a 10 point, oh, so you can do a 13 point piece. No, no, just money line. Just do the money line. Just Lion's money line, Packer's money line,

Chief's money line. What does that get us to? Plus 103. That's pretty good. Oh, there's so much college. Aren't the Chiefs gonna fuck us one of these next four weeks like they did that time with the Raiders a year ago.

Yeah. But the game he fumbles, he throws a pick six, he gets hurt. It comes back in like they haven't had that game yet. They hate this team though. Right. With the cigars and everything else. The Raiders talk shit. Sunday's marquee game is the Ravens and the Eagles in Baltimore.

It's a wonderful sporting event. The Ravens for all we know could be seven and five heading into this game. Right. And sweating out a playoff spot. I personally think they're going to win tomorrow. I don't know. Where do you stand on that Chargers? I do too. Yeah, I have them.

I money lined them. So that's probably going to be bad for them. Well, Big Brother wins, right? Big Brother always wins. Ravens. I have a minus three against the Eagles. It is. You got it exactly.

I said two and a half. Now we're tied. Okay. It's a good game. That's it. Barkley Henry, offensive player of the year. This is it. Trades of the year.

Watchables, three of them. Bengals, Steelers in Cincinnati. Bengals now in we have to win every game territory. Steelers. So I was at the, we did a premiere for the Outrock Dock on Thursday night. So I had the Steelers game on my phone. Beautiful. And I couldn't, I couldn't even,

I couldn't watch it during thing. And I also really wanted to watch thing, but I glanced at it a couple of times and it was 18 six. So pretty. And I didn't look for 10, 12 minutes, look back down. It was 1918 Steelers. It's like, Oh, look back again. It was 24 19 final. And I was like, I can't wait to find out what happened in this game. That game was just fully bonkers, but, um, it's a fun Jamis game. I feel like Jamis might be the quarterback who doesn't have a chance.

That I root for the most. It's just so, I mean, it was like, oh, for nine and third down and four for four with fourth ounce, it's just, uh, it was perfect for him and it looked great. And then NFL films did the thing and him running in slow motion. I'm like, Oh, this is why I love football. I don't even care. I can't believe of all the shitty Thursday night games we have to watch that game, you know how much I love.

I know everyone loves snow, but I really like love snow. I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving snow. And I love seeing on the TV and the flake sticking a Tomlin's beard. I can a 10 out of 10 for loving snow. And I love singing on the TV, the flake sticking a Tomlin's beard. Of all the games, why did it have to be the game when I was at a documentary premiere? I was so bummed out. I'm a 10 out of 10 for loving snow.

Sounds like something you'd hear on Yacht Rock. So that's perfect. I think that was the song. I think Stephen Bishop wrote that one. Yeah, was that Bishop? Yeah. Was that Steely Dan? I don't know.

I'm a 10 out of 10 for love and snow. Stupid. I had Bengals by one and a half against the Steelers. I get this. I said two, it is two and a half. So when was the last time a four and seven team was favored by two and a half against an eight and three team that did not have any injuries? Probably a long, long time ago.

Yeah, they're just, um, they, uh, are they going to outslug the Bengals though? That's it. Cause you know, Burroughs, Burroughs dialed in, right? So even the Steelers defense as much trouble as they as they give them, should score like 26, 27 points. I think it's enough. And everything's a must-win now for Sensi. That's why they're so good.

I think the Steelers are good. And I think they played a Thursday night game, four days after this emotional win over Baltimore. It snowed like a motherfucker. It was a stupid game that had a lot of dumb momentum twists. And I think you throw it out. He also got out coached a little bit. And he's allowed to, right? You can get an out coach once a year and now he's got coach.

Yeah. Yeah. It's always a tough division battle. Falcons chargers. It's in Atlanta. Probably not betting on this game. I hit it exactly. I would probably the Chargers and the Tees, but I'm going to say Falcons by one and a half.

Oh, that's why you did it. Well, you're right. And you're wrong. I said Chargers by one and a half and it is Chargers by one and a half, but the one and a half's always flipped. They always flip by Thursday. Chargers by one and a half. Chargers are favored, but if we talk Thursday, it'll be Falcons.

And then it might flip again. I mean, that's what happened with Arizona and Seattle. It's happened with so many of these. Jets, Texans, same thing. So you think there's a one and a half conspiracy? There is. It's the tic-tac terrorists out there moving these lines. It's like how it's the black eye conspiracy with celebrities.

And celebrities only have black eyes on their left eye. It's some sort of illuminati thing. Exactly. I know it fell down the hill and it's like, left eye was black. Shit's going on. Yep. I don't know how they come up with this stuff. That's true.

It's all true. I'm going to have a black eye on my left eye in two days. It's like, we'll show you. There was a Reddit person who broke down that Leno thing really well. But he ended up, he almost definitely is telling the truth, right? Yeah, it seems like he's telling the truth. He was playing, he's playing at some weird club in Germantown, Pennsylvania. There was the hotel, everyone's like, why is he staying at that hotel? He's a billionaire. weird club in Germans town, Pennsylvania. There was the hotel. Everyone was like, why is he standing at that hotel? He's a billionaire, but it's like it was the nearest hotel to where that gig was.

He's also very cheap. And he's also super cheap. He spends all his money on cars. He was trying to walk to some restaurant that he tried to cut and walk down a hill to cut the distance so he didn't have to go around. And he's 74. And it's the kind of thing like our dads would have done. You'd have been like, I'd be like,

Sal, what happened to your dad? It's like, ah, he fell. Like, it's just kind of what happens when you're mid 70s. So I think it adds up, but I still like the conspiracy stuff. I enjoyed all of it. Either way, the irony is great that he didn't have a car. Guy's got like 75 funny cars and hangers

all over California. Well, the more confusing thing to me is he made, I mean, he was making 30 million a year in The Tonight Show for 20 years. And when he was doing standup gigs and making crazy money on those, why does he have to go to like the middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania to do standup? Yeah. And he's indignant when they ask him about it. Like, well, why don't you just cancel the show?

Like, the show must go on. It's like, all right, you're 103. You could, you could sit one out. I'm at the Red Roof Inn on Big Bear Mountain on November 29th. It's like, well, it's a place 74. Why didn't you retire? Go sit on a beach. Right.

Um, Vikings are home for the Cardinals. It's a good one. I'll never trust Kyla Murray again until about three weeks from now. I have a Vikings minus three against Cardinals. I had you out here. I had three and a half and that's what it is. Hmm. That's too high. I had you out here. I had three and a half and that's what it is. That's too high.

That'll be. Wow. You're going to throw that. You're going to throw Kyler in a teaser? No, I'm not going to hear this again. All right. Fairly watchables. Colts at the Pats. I just think the Richardson may makes this a fairly watchable amount of poop.

Fact, the Colts are going to be favored. And I think it's Colts by one and a half. I just think the Richardson may makes this a fairly watchable amount of poop. Factor. Sure. Colts are going to be favored. And I think it's Colts by one and a half. I had two. I think it's two and a half now. That's fair. It's gonna be a loss. I don't think the pats are getting a five wins. I think I'm going to win that bet. Well, when did you make that bet? Before the year.

That was like my lock of the year was I had the Pats under four and a half wins. But I didn't know Drake May was going to be, I wouldn't have made that bet if I knew Drake was going to be good. Like you could sell it if you want, because it's still four and a half. The under is minus one forty four. it's still four and a half. The unders, it's still four and a half. What's Carolina just had a curiosity. That's four and a half too. Yeah. Some of these, there's like Cleveland, I think is also four and a half.

Your team's six and a half. I know you have them winning 10. Sure. I said nine. Denver is nine and a half though. Jesus. What's Miami? Wow.

Miami is only seven and a half. They're five and six. That doesn't add up. The overs minus 200 though, right? Yeah. It's a big, big juice. What's Miami? Miami to make the playoffs is plus two 40.

Yeah, I don't like it. You might as well just bet them against green Bay and then just keep rolling it in some of these important games. Washington to make the playoffs is, is, oh, that's Tampa. Tampa's plus one 14. Washington's minus one 88. Okay. Uh, Seahawks are at the jets. Seahawks are, um, going to be favored in this game. I don't know if there's a lot of weeks left to win real money against the jets before the line shift. This feels like the last week. The Seahawks defense has looked legitimately good the last two weeks. Seahawks by one and a half is going to be my pick.

You got it. That was smart. I said two and this is, this is another one that's going to flip unless there's a quarterback change. Although I don't even know what would have to move with. Does the line move if Rogers is out? Jets favored by three. With Tyrod Taylor, I don't think the line moves.

Rogers has been awful. Yeah. So Tyrod Taylor does the, does the Jets Seahawks line move with Tyrod Taylor? Like San Francisco moved three and a half points today. And Purdy went out. I think it stays the same. I don't think it moves. What would be crazy is if it moved the other way and the

Jets were favored with Tyrod. What's he going to do? Not throw down field. It's fine. And so it's exactly what, um, can he bring his friends in Tyrod Taylor? Okay. We have a whole new receiving core. These are my buddies. I grew up with them. Roger's dresses up like the charger's team doctor and tries to stab Tyrod with a needle. Yeah. Well, he's a medical expert. Yeah. Stab tie rod with a needle. Yeah. Well, I'm medical expert. Yeah Washington is home for the Titans So this was I guess the lines before the day and I had watched him by seven I'm gonna knock that down to six washed him by six. Yeah, you get this. I said seven and a half only because I

Don't know why but it's five and a half. Hmm Well looked like Edgar got knocked out at the end of the game. Right. So he won't play. And he's had a few concussions before. So just Brian Robinson, who was hurt during the game today, and they have that McNichols guy,

but I think they're gonna have trouble running the ball. And then Daniel still doesn't look healthy. We're gonna find out after the year that he has like three cracked ribs, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm just looking at it as a must win in Tennessee. It's also a must loss for them after winning this. I mean, how are they going to pull this off?

Rams at the saints. And after we start for the Rams today, I think they're going to be favored, but I don't think it's going to be much. I'm going to say Rams by one and a half at the saints. Rams by, I said two and it's two and a half. Lot of momentum for the clogger. I don't know if you've been following this. Yeah, why not?

People like the clogger. The team's responded. What is the clogger? He's clogging up that team with wins. Oh my God, what is his bi-week like, the clogger? When he doesn't have't watch what he eats? A lot of salad, a lot of salad and hot water. Poop Fecta speaking to the clogger. We got two, we got Texas at Jacksonville and, uh, I can't believe

Doug Peterson's still the coach. It seemed impossible after the 52 to six game. We, what was that a week ago? He survived the bye. I didn't even realize that. Yeah. They must have been busy. The ownership must have been vacationing or something.

I have Texans by three and a half at Jacksonville. I had four and a half. It's five and a half. We're both well there. I like Jacksonville. You do? Yeah. Oh, because of your guy?

No, I don't think Houston's very good. I like Jacksonville. You do? Yeah. Oh, cause of your guy. No, I don't think, I don't think Houston's very good. And I had that, I have future bets on them. I was all in on them. I've been waiting for it to turn around, but I don't think they can block. No. For one, I'm watching week to week. Doesn't seem like they can block and their defense seems like when you really need to drive the ball down the field on them, you can.

It's probably a stay away. I don't, what I don't want for the last, you know, seven weeks of the season, whatever is for the South divisions to rip my guts out. Right. So if we're on the wrong side of too many of these, it's a great way to think about it. Yeah. Great way to think about it. And here's another one bucks at Panthers.

So I have bucks by four and a half in Carolina and I like Carolina. No, I had six at six and a half. Oh, I'm going to win this week. Now, come on. It's like 10 to five or something. No, I guess you are going to win. You, wait, who would you say you like Carolina? No, I'm going to give you Carolina's last couple of weeks.

Week nine, they beat the saints by one week. 10. They beat the giants by three week, 12 tied with KC with a minute left. And they had a bi-week in there too. They haven't really had a bad game since week seven. They got killed by Washington, but even the Denver game, the 14 and 28 loss, it wasn't like they didn't get demolished. So they're, at least they're getting better. I'm like my team. Yeah, that's respectable. I mean, I have the bucks. You should also have the bucks. The one in division, we had an agreement, but so I have to,

have to lean heavy into this. But instead of doing that, I could just bet against Atlanta this week, right? Right. Because that Tampa, before then, the wind vision on Lando Raphson. Sunday night, Bills, 49ers. A game that I'm sure they were thinking was gonna be one of the best games of the year, three months ago.

Oh, Al, I just, I'm thinking about how great this game seemed to knock August. No, I just wanna do a shot of whiskey or something, Al. I don't have a goddamn good thing to say about Brandon Allen. Can we just fast forward to next week? I'll get excited about George Kittle if you want me to, Al, but I just... Um... I think this goes over seven.

I think this is billed by seven and a half. I said seven this is bills by seven and a half. I said seven and it's six and a half. Just like a point off with all of these. Well, is this the Kyle Shanahan? We're going to F everybody up everybody trying to get their money back from the Thursday night and Thanksgiving weekend. Is this the one? So Purdy's probably playing.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's about all we got. If you're, if you're making the case for the Niners, it's backs to the wall. They lose this game. Their season's over. They have a losing record in their division. You can't lose this game and have a realistic chance.

I guess maybe you could sneak into the playoffs as we made the case with your team, but. I think pretty, is he definitely playing? Like they thought he was going to play this week too. So to say that they think he's going to be ready. I don't know. I guess this is their season though. It's got to do it Monday night.

Broncos home for the Browns. This is really the Sal bowl. You're guy Bo Nicks against your guy. Jamis so much fun. It's really a really the Sal bowl. You're got Bo Nix against your guy, Jamis. So much fun. It's really, uh, really everything you want. Um, do we, do you want to guess, um, cause there's odds up for, uh, offensive rookie of the year. I think Bo Nix has to be favored.

Then you should bet him. He's plus one 25 Daniel's minus one 50 minus one 50. Yeah. The number one pick is 50 to one. Daniel's minus 150 minus 150. Wow. The number one pick is 50 to one. Caleb Williams. Jesus. I don't think he was bad today. No, he wasn't.

He was. He missed some plays. Yeah. So I got Broncos minus three and a half against Cleveland. All right. You're going to get that. I said three. It's four and a half, but too little, too late for your Simmons.

All right. Seven, five, and one. You beat me on your favorite week of the year. I love it. I love it. Cowboys are alive. That's got to stop. I mean, I don't know why that still gets me annoyed, but.

Listen, are the Cowboys alive or are they not? They're alive. Now we crossed them off. We have say. They're alive. What do you got for Parent Corner? What do I have? A couple things. Well, first of all, again, favorite weekend of the year, favorite day. You're always home already, right? Yeah. So now you got to stay get to see her for what a week or more. Yeah.

It's like eight days. She's been home since August 8th. Yeah. Right. Same here. My guy comes home, um, Wednesday morning and he's leaving Friday. He's like, I'm going back because Oregon's playing Washington. I'm going to that game. And like, my wife was like, Oh, this is terrible. It's like, I'm going back because Oregon's playing Washington. I'm going to that game. And like my wife was like, oh, this is terrible.

It's like, how many times did she cry? Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I think she's, I think it's about that. I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be bad, but I was like, this is cats in the cradle, right? I would do the same thing and my parents would get bad. And, uh, what are you going to do? So she didn't cry when Archie said he was only coming home for two days that didn't elicit tears. I think she had, um, regrouped and composed herself because I found out hours later,

but I think the, I think the tears will flow naturally when it actually happens. Going off. But, um, yeah, so that's that. The other thing is I picked my son, Jack up from wrestling practice. Yeah. And, uh, he's like extra dirty. And I was like, what the hell? Why do you smell what's going on here? What, what'd you do? It was like, we had to clean garbage.

So what do you mean you had to clean garbage? He's like, well, coach got mad because, uh, somebody went in the wrestling room and tried to lose extra weight and like was jumping rope and, uh, they were unsupervised and the principal found out and nobody would fess up. This is like the fourth nobody will fess up thing that they had to like do you know. Yeah. They had to do community service as a result and so we all had to clean garbage like over an hour, like an hour and a half after we ran and I was like all right but can't the coach, And I was like, all right, but can't the coach, I, you know, I've had bosses that do this, like the, you know, bosses and teachers and coaches that punished the whole group.

But if you looked at it logically, like my kid is not going after hours to jump rope. He's just not, right? So like, can we, we could excuse him. What are we doing here? Like if you were at work and like a beet salad was missing from the community refrigerator and you're like, nope, we're unplugging the refrigerator for everyone. You can assume it's not me that took the beet salad. I haven't seen a vegetable in like seven years. So I don't know what kind of, I don't know where you stand on that kind of messaging, but it seems like could success it.

Do you think Gerard Mayo should try some of this motivational tactics with the Patriots? Maybe. Six pre-staff penalties in the first half. You guys are all gonna have to clean up the garbage outside of Gillette Stadium. Yeah. I'm unplugging all the electricity in the locker room.

You're done. So everyone enjoys your parent corners every week. Rarely did I get multiple people in my life asking the same question about last week's parent corner from you. With the match? Yeah. If your kid throws up during the match,

Why isn't that an automatic forfeit? Supposed to be. Because our coach, throws up during the match. It's supposed to be. Why isn't that an automatic forfeit? It's supposed to be. Cause our coach, which go insides with my, my story this week is a lunatic. So he somehow, he somehow talked the ref out of the forfeit. He had to be like, our kid's nervous. He's not sick. And then my kid's like, yeah, I'm nervous.

And they're like, all right, uh, we'll, we'll clean up the dominoes and then we'll, uh, we'll let you finish. But yeah, that was it. But yeah, normally it is. It's amazing. That just isn't a rule in Southern California sports, like vomit wrestling, automatic match over. Right.

Exactly. And then my wife wanted to ask that it's, it must've smelled like puke smells. It wasn't like, uh, but it's still going to smell, right? It was a little bit. It wasn't like stand by me, like with the, the piloting contest. I wouldn't say that, but yeah, that was a lot. It was a little bit and they cleaned it up and that, yeah, I mean, the kid was like, yeah, that's a good way to like get a kid to forfeit.

Like I don't want to be vomited on, but yeah, that was it. But then I was thinking maybe that should be Jack's thing. He throws up during every match. The other kid is so bummed out. He just wants to get pinned. You know, I once farted so bad that I was wrestling a really good kid, but I shouldn't have been pinned in the first period, but I was. And then like afterwards he's like, I'm sorry, man. I had to get rid of you. That was just, that was so bad.

I thought it would work. I thought it would work in my advantage, but to my advantage, but no, he had a, he had to step up as a arsenal. That was it. My parent corner. Um, so I picked up my daughter on Friday from the airport and I did the thing where you, you pull in illegally at the arrivals, parked the car, there were no, no cops. I think they know cause it's Thanksgiving.

And I got there. I was like four minutes before her and I was watching these other cars and there was a lot of kids like coming back from college already on that Friday. And it's like the most emotional hugs. You're like getting choked up in the car, watching all these people who haven't seen their kids and they just these huge long hugs. And I'm like, I'm like, is this the most emotional place of. In America every year, the kids coming home for Thanksgiving on the airplane and seeing their families.

Then I was thinking if I'm like United, this would be a great commercial over like Fly in the Friendly Sky, whatever United's commercial is. It should just be like these home movie iPhone shots of all these people, like people were like hugging each other and crying, like they were so excited they see each other. So I'm getting emotional watching and then my daughter comes in with the bag,

and she's like, hey dad. She's kind of gives me, because I'd seen her a few weeks ago. So I was like ready to really have an emotional moment. Didn't happen, but. I thought you were going to say this should be a Twitter feed with only embraces at the airport.

I need game ball locker room speeches and emotional airport hugs. I would like somebody come off and like someone coming off a Spirit Airlines flight, all locker room speeches and emotional airport hugs. It was great. I would like somebody come off and like, someone coming off a Spirit Airlines flight, like why do you have a black guy, what happened? You and Jay Leno, what is this? What's going on?

Did he leave an auntie after you? Yeah, so anyway, and I was in a good mood the whole day and then picked her up, we're talking in the car, We drive back and we ended up going for a dinner that night. The four of us was like old times. And then within not even 24 hours, my wife and my daughter yelled at each other. And by Sunday, my wife's like, she's just the kitchen. Like I just, here's what I didn't miss is the way you treat the kitchen. And it's just like, we're just back.

It's like, oh, emotion, emotions out the window. Now everybody's yelling at each other again. We're really backed up. Yeah. There might be too much lead up time to Thanksgiving. Right. I wonder what the perfect amount is. Two days, two and a half.

Probably like a Tuesday. But it's nice to have her home. The dog, Murph just absolutely lost his mind. Like, you know, because he hadn't seen her in three and a half months. What do you think dogs think when people disappear? They're not smart. I don't know if you've noticed, but not like smart animals. Or do they just have it's almost like have dog Alzheimer's where they're just like, they

have no longterm memory and it's like, Hey, it's that person. Right. Yeah. I don't know what they think. I don't know. You know what? I'm so locked in the sports gambling and losing. I don't have time to think about what dogs are thinking about.

What did you think of Washington somehow? Somehow losing. I have kids vomiting on mats and stuff like that. Time to analyze psychoanalyze a dog. It's great though. It's great to have everybody in one spot. I like that idea for United or whoever, though. That's a that's really I can't believe they haven't done. I was trying to think what's the more emotional other than like, uh, yeah, like happy, emotional,

not like sad, emotional, like a funeral, like I guess like a wedding would be happy, emotional. Yeah. Airport. My kid is coming on from college. There's not graduations. Maybe there's not like a lot of just pure happy, happy, emotional moments. But wedding, wedding, it's the whole event, but you're right. But the airport, it's that exact moment of embracing, right? Because we think about, I don't know, living out here, we think about the airport as, oh, Andy Dick's going to say something terrible to TMZ, stepping off a jet blue flight or something. But you're right. Spinning in a positive way.

Even the people whose parents didn't greet them, like hugging the Uber driver. Yeah. Like, hey. Exactly, there's always a hug out there. Uber driver's like, ah. All right, that was Parent Corner. What do you have to plug? What do I have?

Simmons threw the ringer with the great Tate Frazier against all odds a couple times a week on the Ringer Podcast Network. We're gonna review Monday Night Football, go over the big college games and playoff implications. Cousins Sal's winning weekend with Michael Irvin and Ringer pregame show. Now listen, this has become very competitive and you know, I don't like that, but I gave out a bunch of winners and it's not a four hour show.

We only get to talk like seven times each. Wisest wager was the Bears locked in at three and a half. My dog was the Titans plus three 10. Tom and DeVito to not throw a touch, an interception. Jacob's over 74 and a half rushing yards and the ice cream Sunday, a segment you created lions by 11 to 20 points plus two 90. What a week for me. That one hit the Titans didn't hit though.

Did they? Titans plus. Oh, they did. What's the matter with you? Yeah, they won. Yeah. So they win? Oh they did win. Yeah they won. We just did 40 minutes on it. You need a hug from your daughter. Talking for an hour and a half.

Yeah for some reason I thought they covered it. Watch the Ringer pre-game show. How many sides of the Ice Cream Sunday pick did we get? I was the only one. I don't want to crap on these guys. But I was the only one. Yeah, might not have been a great song. I don't wanna crap on these guys, but I was the only one.

What are you gonna do? I have to plug Yacht Rock on HBO and Max on Friday. It's really good. Give us a little tease. Just be able to cue it up. What's good? What are people gonna sing their T's into? I'm really glad that Michael McDonald

finally gets his just due. But I think, put it this way. You don't know me, but I'm your brother. He has multiple moments where he just cooks in it. But it's really, I think it's not what you think it is to stock. That's what I will say. I don't want to spoil it. What the hell does that mean? It's way more about the music than the comedy of it and stuff like that.

I think people are going to be suppressed. Okay. And it has nothing to do with Vince McMahon? It doesn't. Vince couldn't put Vince into this. All right. Next time. That's it, cuz. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cousins Out. Thanks to nephew Kyle, Steve Cerruti, Gahal, everybody behind the scenes who helped with such a spectacular production. Wasn't that many people, but it was still fun.

You can watch this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. Don't forget, new rewatchable is coming Monday night. Running scared. Don't forget about the Yacht Rock documentary coming Friday, day after Thanksgiving on Max and on HBO. And I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday. On a seat in, on a waist so wide never said I don't have a few years with him On the waist side, on the brim so wide never said