The Bill Simmons Podcast - Soto’s a Met, KC Doinks It Up, Bleakest NFL Franchises, Rams-Bills Bliss, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to quickly address Juan Soto signing with the Mets, before discussing the Chiefs banking a last-second field goal to beat the Chargers (1:47), the Rams overcoming the Bills in the game of the year (21:37), another vibe shift in the NFC West, a Vikings statement win, Panthers-Eagles, Dolphins-Jets, and the Most Depressing Franchise Rankings (29:24), before guessing the lines for NFL Week 15 (01:09:02), and closing the show with Parent Corner (01:22:47). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Kyle Crichton and Chia Hao Tat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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a fantastic roller coaster ride. Yeah, it wasn't that good. Week 14 NFL, they're a couple good games, that's about it. First, our friends from PearlJap. What a night to go live. Cousin Sal is here. Sunday night. The Chiefs just doinked their way to 12-1, but more importantly, Sal got Juan Soto on his Mets team.

I know you want to talk about Juan Soto. Let's do it. I really am over the moon. I was going to come on dressed as Grimace or Jerry Seinfeld, but those costumes are in the cleaners, but I love it, man. I'm so happy. I don't care that everyone hates us now.

I don't, it makes it better. It really does. Who hates you? I don't know, who started the hating thing? What do you mean? Albert Pujols 2.0. Ticket prices are gonna be affordable now. Good luck. Enjoy paying him $51

million at age 41. Listen. Were those texts that Hench sent you? That was all Kevin Hench. I love it. I'm sorry your Red Sox lost out. I love beating the Yankees. That's the best part is beating the, we beat them. They were outbid. They bid 760 for 16 and we beat them. And I know you have to go on the field and win and all that stuff, but we never beat them at anything. We're little brother, like forever. So you bid 760 for 15. 765, yep.

Is that what it was? 765 for 15. The Yankees were at 760 for 16. And then Boris is like, do you want to drop the 16th year and just go 15? And the Yanks were like, that's too rich for our blood. That's crazy, we can't do that. Like, once you get over like 600 million,

at what point, it's like funny money at this point. It is kind of like losing a house, a bid on a house for like $120 or something. It really, at that point. Because everyone's like, yeah, 41 years old. Like, sure, I'll get $51 million at 41. I'll be the lowest paid player at that point. But I just love beating the Yankees, man.

It's like Casey Affleck dating Margot Robbie and saying, take that, big brother, bring that to TMZ. This is great. This is the best. Casey Affleck? You're like the little brother? Big brother bring that to TMZ. This is great. This is the case the afric You're like the little brother You're like the freaking cousin I Am the cousin, but thank you. Well, you're literally the cousin. I don't even know if you're the brother

Given one in 38 years. Oh, stop it. Stop it. It's great. You have tonight. We won tonight. We beat the Yankees. That's all I care about. I was delighted because this really ruins the Yankees. There's no plan B. This was the guy. They have this short window with Judge and Cole, and this was the guy they were grooming to be like the next major guy. And now what do you do if you're the Yankees? Plus you lose them to the Mets, The team that for the last, what? Really since like the mid-90s,

you've been kind of kicking their butt. The Mets had a couple little tiny runs here and there, but for the most part, it just felt like the Yankees were in the driver's seat, and now it doesn't. Now you just have this rich owner who doesn't care. He's just like, here's how much? Oh yeah, huh? Hey, 800 million?

Ah, I'm still worth $88 billion. What do I care? It's beautiful. It really is. And he left the Yankees. He played for the Yankees. Let's not forget, right? He left.

It's sort of like, remember that girl, another Seinfeld reference, Dada Newman, and Jerry couldn't figure out why he broke up with her? It's like, this is the same thing. Juan Soto didn't care about playing for the Yankees anymore How many men's Yankees crossovers have there been? Just for players. Yeah, like well stars. It's pretty pretty rare, right? Oh for stars. Yeah Well, I mean it's gone. It's gone. Mr. Yankees and yeah, I bring good and we're the two big ones Yeah, we haven't really I mean we had several Reno that had Severino. There haven't been too many the other way.

We'll take it. So do you feel like you're the 1A in New York now? Like for real? This is it. Our guy John Jastrzębski is disconsolate. I think he knew it was coming. Because again, they had all their eggs in this basket. You asked how I felt as a Red Sox fan.

I never thought the Red Sox were gonna be in this. The Red Sox are, they're the person that just goes to a bar and pretends they talk to girls all night and is like, I got eight numbers. I'm gonna text a bunch of girls when I get home. It's like, yeah, you're going home alone. That's the Red Sox. That's the stuff.

But also, are there gonna be any girls available for them in the next five years? Like, it's kind of such a bad. So they are. The Red Sox are just riding on the coattails of the four world series they won because they know people like me just wanted to see one before they died and we won four and they've taken advantage of that for the entire 2020s. I think the thing with Soto just paying a guy like that once they get 36, 37 and

up, you just kind of know where it's going to go. So you really, you're really spending all the money on the first 10 years of the contract and then you have your fingers crossed for the last five, right? Right. I'll sound like he's like, like Mookie Betts, where he's like this amazing athlete, where he's going to be 38 and he'll still be able to play second base and be some sort of impactful player. You're, you're guys, so it'll probably move more toward the Pujo Stanton.

He'll get bigger. He'll get stiffer. Yeah. It's dumb. Otani, he's not Otani, but they compared it to Otani, right? So this deal had to be based on Otani, which is dumb. He's going to be a DH, you know, it's not this year in a few years. So we'll take it.

We stole him from the Yankees. That's all that matters. So what are the biggest free agent signings of your lifetime? Cause I I'm old enough to remember and you are too. When they got George Foster from the reds. And it was a huge deal. It was one of the big free agent signings in the seventies and he was awesome on the reds. He was basically like national league, Jim Rice.

And then he went to the Mets and it just did not go well. Nothing. I remember the program to two Georges, George Foster and the manager, George Stein, uh, George Bamberger. And it was foster and Kingman and they were all, they were both hit and miss back and forth, but like, I don't even know. Like I've gotten. Yeah.

Bobby Bonilla was a big one. Bonilla was big. Piazza obviously. Piazza. Yeah. We're still, but yeah. Um, I can't even think, uh, I was like, I got excited about Saber Hagen and Viola and stuff like that, but, uh, we'll take it, man.

We'll take it. It's pretty, pretty cool to have a guy hitting, what is he? He's 20, he's going to be 26 next year. You just get this guy. He could be set. You could be in your seventies. So still be on the team. Yeah.

Think about it that way. That's how I've been thinking about Drake man. I'm like, Drake man is going to take me in my 70s with a smile on my face. I feel I'm not going to live that long. And this is like me buying a turtle. Turtles last like 90 years. It's like, all right, turtle, you're going to be on your own a few years, but I'll enjoy you in the meantime. What is the reaction with all the on the Mets fan texts? Is it like euphoria or is it like cautious euphoria? No, I think right now it's euphoria. Honestly, the Yankee part of it is just so big.

Our buddy Gus is on there and he had a really funny thing he said. I'm going to read it about his dad. He said, my dad says the four best words in English language are Mets win, Yankees lose. That's true. I don't even know if that's English. It is. The only two teams I hate are the Yankees lose. That's true. That is true. I don't even know if that's English. It is. The only two teams I hate are the Yankees and the Lakers,

and it's been a rough weekend for both of them. The LeBron trade rumors, the Whispers have started, and they look like they're winning tonight against Portland, but I'm always happier when those two teams aren't doing well. Well, when you're in your 70s, I think the Chiefs will still be winning stupid games My mom's will be 41 Collins worth level Walker and they'll just be like I

Hugo hit both uprights and submit the crossbar and it's about went through back I can't believe how many uprights do they have it our head? Come on, Mike. I Just want to kiss Patrick my Holmes is neck. That's all I love all these quarterbacks Why do we even get why do we even when it boinked off and then you wait to see if it's Yeah, it's it's in like what do we even get excited about? Well the field goal the guy made earlier in the game from like 49 or 50, it went through and then ricocheted backwards, so it kind of landed in the end zone,

which I hadn't seen very often either. That guy did not inspire a lot of confidence, but. I think the mascot was even full. Yeah. There were multiple chances to hedge all the Chiefs' parlays and teasers you had, if you had them. I know I had a few.

Halftime, 13 13 nothing, perfect time. Cause as Collinsworth was saying during that game, it was going, the Chargers were weirdly in it. They had missed a big long pass for a touchdown. It felt like it was pretty toe to toe. The score wasn't reflective. Get to the third quarter, Chargers scored twice in a row. They have the lead and it's the perfect time for the hedge.

And I looked at it and it was Chargers, I think, plus two and a half. So it was basically like if the Chiefs went by a field goal, you could still win this Chargers bet. And I was just like, you know, the Chiefs win this every time. Why am I hedging with it? Why am I nervous that the Chiefs,

this will be the time they blow it. I'm just gonna ride the Chiefs. And that turned out to be the move. Do you think they, in the beginning of the year, got together and Andy Reid's like, this is boring, guys. Let's try this, 31. 31's a number.

Let's never score 31 points. I think they've scored 30 twice. And let's see if we can win all the games or all but one of the games. Because, I mean, really, that third and seventh play, they really are challenging themselves, right? They don't get a first down, they're kicking a field goal and then the chief and the charges could go right down and he made it look so easy.

And then just dumping it off to Kelsey makes the defender miss and then hitting the goalposts is like your uncle playing you in pool and like say, I'm going to call a bank shot on every ball. Like they're just, just screwing with you the whole time. They never look comfortable They miss when they they have no explosive plays whatsoever anymore And when they when they try to run one he'll miss the guy by like 10 yards or It'll be like his arm will get hit as he throwing it or it'll be like that Hopkins play where Hopkins catches it and he gets

Strict they just said they've nothing It'll be like that Hopkins play where Hopkins catches it and he gets stripped. They just have nothing. Even like this last drive when it seemed like they would have momentum and then they'll just run the line and the guy will fall down. You never feel comfortable play to play. I was watching my homes today like trying to remember,

like hey, are you gonna do my home stuff? I can barely remember what it looks like. And then he had two of them on the final drive. But we just watched Josh Allen, the fucking Superman capon, in the earlier game. And it was, I didn't want to go there mentally because I know it's reactive and it's, but I was thinking like, shit,

the way Josh Allen played versus the way I'm watching Mahomes play now, it just seems like Allen's better this season. I'm not saying he's better career. I'm not saying he's past him, but just this season, it seems like he's better. And then Mahomes did like five things. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm still here. Let me ask you this.

You start a team, is it Josh Allen or Mahomes? And I guess I'm asking are Mahomes best years behind him, right? Because that's a different way of asking it. And I'm not sure. I think maybe he has a clips on, you can't say he's a better player because Mahomes has all the hardware.

But if you're starting a team, what are you doing? What are you, you setting up a computer? No, I have two iPads going because I was, you were gonna ask me this. Oh, all right. So as always, I'm gonna bring a Boston team into this because there's so many Chiefs-Pats parallels. Bruins, I hope.

And I was trying to remember if Brady had hit a point where it was like, man what's going on? And it happened, it was way later in his career, but it was the 2013 Pats who finished 12-4 and it was a season very similar to this Chiefs season. But Brady that year was only 25 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, threw for 43, 43 yards. The whole year, it was the year Gronk was hurt, Hernandez was gone, the two receivers

were Edelman and Amidola, the two running backs were Stefan Ridley and LeGarrette Bound. They just didn't have anybody. And it led to this whole Brady conversation of what is this? Manning was lighting it up for Denver. It's like, what, is Brady? Is it over? What do we need to find? Think about the future.

And it was just his supporting cast wasn't very good. And I think that's the case with the homes this year. Like, who are his good offensive weapons? Kelsey was gone in that game for two hours. I forgot he was in the game. Hopkins is OK. Pacheco is OK. Worthy is OK. They just they don't have a single guy.

You watch these other teams, you know, like you watch that Bill's Rams game, like that Nakua and Cooper Cup and Shakir, like all those guys are way better than anyone the Chiefs have. But what about when you, all right, so compare them to Josh Allen. You think he's got a ton of great supporting cast? Like those names are interchangeable, I think, with the Shakirs and everything. I think his running backs are better. Shakir, he's got a Mara.

I'd rather have a Mara Cooper than Hopkins. Yeah. Yeah. Titans, maybe Kelsey in a big game, but when Kincaid's out there, I'm not sure it's that much of a drop off. Yeah, I guess for what you're saying, the difference is Alan has these holy shit, you know, he had five of them in the game today in my homes. The holy shit plays seem to be these third and sevens that bring drives, keep a

drive going versus like the Alan type of play. Right. Oh my God. He just ran for 38 yards. Yeah. We get excited for Kelsey lumbering for eight yards after, you know, on third and seven, right? Whereas Allen is just zipping it in between two defenders

and forget about what he does with his legs. It's insane. He sent a fantasy record, right? 58 points or something. Oh yeah. He was, I was in that guillotine league I'm in. We needed Allen to have a bad game. As soon as the Rams took

A big lead we were like this is gonna go terribly and then he had an awesome game I think the other difference with them at least this season is my home So it's just taking more hits like they had that concert this pointed out the whole game They had that stat at one point. He'd been back to pass 40 times. He got hit 16 It just seems like physically there's a toll he's taking whereas Alan just seems superhuman at all times. Even if he's getting hit a couple times in a game, I still feel like he's fine.

It still feels like he's bigger than almost everyone he's playing against. Yeah, I know. But Holmes had a couple once today, Herbert did too. I thought that was a really, really physical, playoffy kind of game. I thought the Chargers were the big winner of the game, even though they lost. Like that game made me think that team in January, I actually think could go

toe to toe with some AFC teams. That defense is excellent. I think for most of the games they play and you're right, they're physical. And like Collinsworth said it, when they were down six, nothing Harbaugh's like, I don't want to say, I don't want to say no. Our boss kind of got them where he wants, but this is the kind of game you want to play. But anytime the chiefs aren't scoring 40, which seems like forever now you're in good shape.

Well, and they didn't have Dobbins and they didn't have McConkey. And I thought when McConkey got scratched, which I didn't even know when we did like million dollar picks on Thursday, figured McConkey was going to play. They scratched them. And after watching what we did like million dollar picks on Thursday, figured McConkey was going to play. They scratched him. And after watching what we watched from Quinton Johnson this season, Palmer's been hit or miss it's like, how are they going to move the ball? They basically got two drives where they just bully balled the chiefs down the

field, which was unusual. Um, and the chiefs kind of figure out. He's going to try to play. That's a new thing. Like, yeah, he's going to try to play. That's a new thing. Like, yeah, he's going to try to play. It's like when you're, when your kid, the night before school's like, I'm not feeling well, but I'm going to try to go to school. It's like, no, that's a no, no way.

Just, uh, email the teacher. You're not doing it. 10 year olds staying home. We got them all day. Um, chiefs now 12 and one, they clinched their division. Chiefs now 12 and one. They clinched their division. It looks like it's probably the one seed for them now. There's only four games left.

The Steelers, I would say, maybe have a chance because they play them. But don't the Chiefs and Steelers play on Christmas? They play on Christmas and that's a Wednesday, right? Yeah. Why? Really? It took me three days rest for everybody? They play on a Saturday and then a Wednesday.

Oh, Saturday and Wednesday. Okay. So you would say maybe the Steelers, if they beat them and then the Chiefs lost one more and the Steelers ran the slate, but I'm not seeing it. It feels like Casey locked up the one seed. Come on. Clanking it off the post. Ridiculous team. So then that two seed goes between Buffalo and Pittsburgh who are both 10 and 3. And I'm going to say this, so...

Yeah. I officially think Pittsburgh is the best team in the AFC. Come on. You can't. After a Jameis game. You can't claim that. I think they're the best team. I feel the safest about them. If you start nitpicking all these AFC teams, I feel the most comfortable with Pittsburgh. Great defense. I think their defense can make plays, create turnovers, create pressure. They can cover. I, I just like them. They can run the ball.

They always seem to get like two or three 30 to 40 yard plays per game or a pass interference or something. They have unbelievable special teams. They have the best field goal kicker in the conference. They're gonna have home field advantage for at least the first two rounds. And they have an awesome coach and

I just think I think right now and I'll feel free to change my mind in two weeks But right now I feel the best about them all they have C teams Buffalo's defense You saw today this chiefs team can't get to 20 points I think if the Steelers played the Chiefs right now is what we're watching from the Chiefs and that the Steelers would beat them I think it's unfair to judge the Bills defense. I think that was that was going to happen. And by the way, I had my best bet on the Ringer pregame show was the Rams over two and a half touchdowns.

I didn't I was waiting. I was waiting for you to bring this up. I didn't think they'd score six. But the point of this is of course I'm red hot and I'm wiping the mat. I'm red hot too. We're two red hot guys. I of course I'm red hot and I'm wiping the mat with those other guys. I'm red hot too. We're two red hot guys.

I love that we're red hot. But I saw it come in the Bills defense flying east to west. It was going to have to let up eventually, right? And it makes sense. It was very soft. It was a very soft zone that Stafford threw against for three hours. But I don't want to judge that. Just like I'm not going to judge how great the Steelers defense was against Jameis.

I know they're very good in general. I'm judging the three months. I've just been really impressed by, I thought they should have won the Colts game. Right? That Browns Thursday game, they had the lead with three minutes left and you know, that was stupid. I just think they've been the most impressively consistent team in the AFC this year. With that said, I'd have to take a big gulp before I went against my homes in a playoff game, especially if it was in Kansas city. But I don't know. I Pittsburgh week after week, people keep looking for reasons not to even today.

Pickens got scratched. Like, Oh my God, the mind toward Cleveland, you know, and it's like, they're fine. They're going to make plays. They have 74 points fewer than the Bills and they've allowed 30 points less. So I, I, that's the team that would scare me if I was a, a stealer. It's like, I don't know, if you're going to Buffalo, that's a mess. I think it's rock paper scissors. Cause the chiefs can't get explosive plays.

So if they played Buffalo, that's actually bad if you're the chiefs, right? Cause the way to beat the chiefs is't get explosive plays. So if they played Buffalo, that's actually bad if you're the Chiefs, right? Because the way to beat the Chiefs is to basically move the ball on them. I think the Steelers could get explosive plays on the Bills. I think they would beat the Bills. But I think the Bills, the way they're set up right now, would probably beat the Chiefs.

And then maybe the Chiefs would beat the Steelers because it would be an 18 to 16 type game, which they specialize in. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's our answer. Maybe that's one thing that Bill showed me is that they can come back. Right. Like I think we figured that anyway, but that was, that was a game that they

really could have just walked off and be like, all right, we'll lose this by 21, but they were in it till the very end. This episode is brought to you by Uber reserve. You know, it's a game changer for travel booking my ride in advance to the airport with Uber reserve. Uber reserve makes it's a game changer for travel. Booking my ride in advance to the airport with Uber reserve. Uber reserve makes it easy to plan my whole trip. I just did this booking rides up to 90 days in advance to help squeeze the most out of traveling, especially if you're doing odd hours, rush hours, like early in the morning.

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I had some clinching questions. So the first clinching question was, did Bill's Rams clinch game of the season so far? Yeah, I had my attention the whole time. I think so. What, what other candidates? I'm trying to think what else is. There were some good ones over the first third there, even the week one that Baltimore KC game was really good. There's been some good ones, but this one.

Cowboys, Giants, Thanksgiving was the highest rated. I don't, was it the best? Was it the best? I don't know. I didn't have that one. There's been a couple good Lions games. Lions Packers on Thursday was good. Yeah. What was cool about this one was the Rams took that big lead and it was not a turn off the channel game. It was like, all right, Josh will get this back. Right. Josh will bring them back into this. They had 54 plays and scored 42 points. What was that stat hench set us? They scored six touchdowns with zero turnovers. The first team, 255 to lose.

It's never been that. Yeah, exactly. Two 65, I think it was. Yep. Yeah. They got a pretty good crowd too. It was good. It was fun all around.

Um, I don't know that, uh, you know, switch it to the Rams for a second. I don't think, um, is this too much to say, I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver like Pooka Nakula, like as a possession receiver, he's phenomenal. And you could miss by like three or four yards and he's going to catch it. And he's going to protect himself and all that, all that good stuff. And they use them as a running back and he's like one of the best black and receivers in the league. Right. And just seems like he can get up whenever he wants. He's like one of the best blocking receivers in the league.

Right. And just seems like he can get up whenever he wants. He's kind of like the 2.0 version of Debo. Like whatever we thought Debo was, he's a better version of it. He's finally helping. More remarkable catches. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like it seems like now that those two guys are healthy, anytime he had like third and seven, third and nine, third and five, and they

put those two guys on the same side and you didn't know if they were going to like run little pick plays for each other or what it just felt like one of them was getting open. Absolutely. Yeah. Like I said, it was a soft zone and everything else, but he's great. Rams had 457 yards of nine drives. They were 11 for 15 on third down.

And it seemed like if the Bills had scored fast enough with the three timeouts, somehow they had a chance to possibly steal the game. Leading to one of the weirdest calls of the season where they do QB sneak on first down. They don't get it and they call timeout, which immediately made it impossible for them to just kick off and get the stops.

Which Brady, who was fantastic today for him, I thought he was really good. But Brady called it out even before the first down. He's like, you don't want to QB sneak here because if you don't get it, then you're either going to burn too much clock or use the timeout at the end of time. Like he spelled out everything that was about to happen

then it happened. But they just brain farted. If you use one timeout in that situation, you might as well use all three. he's a time out at the end of time. Like he spelled out everything that was about to happen then it happened. But they just brain farted. If you use one time out in that situation, you might as well use all three. Because then you're just relying on getting the onside kick versus, okay, if we don't get the onside kick,

we could stop the clock three times. I didn't understand that at all. They would have been better off sneaking up to the line of scrimmage and running a second down play and letting the clock go to 45. So that was where, it was a miracle they had three time outs in the first place and that was the hard part.

Then they blew it. Right. Yeah, the play probably has to be like a roll out where he's either gonna run it or pass quick or throw it out of bounds or like a shotgun quick pass like the Malcolm Butler play, something like that. But the thing you can't do is the QB sneak and then you can't then also call a timeout

and ruin your chance. I'm always amazed that these coaches. Blow the basic like video game stuff. This is like a pretty basic one point video game thing. Like I was, I like math and I was good in math, but I do think it is the video games. But for God's sakes, you should be able that that that was easy to me. Like that jumped out right away. How does McDermott not see that? Do you think because we're just watching, because of the YouTube

multi-view and some of this other stuff, and we're just watching all these games and we're seeing so many situations we're getting in our 10,000 hours for game management now, I feel like I'm at the peak of my powers. Yeah, I watch these games. I'm just like, Oh yeah, clearly you should never keep me sneak care of it. But maybe when you're on the field and it's going so fast and there's 90 things you're worrying about, sometimes you lose like a sense of just what the most normal thing to do would be, which maybe not sneak it there.

I don't know. Also, are they not watching enough situational things? I feel like we're putting ourselves on a pedestal here, but the guys that are getting to the facility, 430 in the morning, they're just watching tape of the opponent and not worried about what's going to happen at the end of games and how they should use their timeouts and timing and stuff. I don't think a lot of this stuff is that hard. It's like if you have the three timeouts and there's under two minutes left and it's a two score game and you can somehow score a touchdown and keep your three timeouts.

That's the goal. You want to be able to kick off and try to get a stop and hopefully get the ball back for a field goal would be the idea, which they almost pulled off. I have friends that text me barely got through junior college and know the ins and outs of all these. It was like this, this can't be hard stuff. Ultimately for the bill, not a big deal because they're gonna be the two seed or the three seed.

They've already clinched the AFC a week ago. There's no chance they can follow the four seed. They weren't gonna catch the Chiefs probably anyway. And Josh, I think probably clinched the MVP once and for all today. Yeah, I can see odds. Let's see. It was the rare loss that helped clinch somebody that

meanwhile Lamar didn't even play. Oh, and I don't even know who else would be in the mix. Minus four 50 for Alan. Well, Saquon was second last week, but he's gone up to plus five 50. That's not happening. Sorry, Saquon. Tom Brady was good. And I think, you know, I, I, there are only three games and I just, I put the three on the one TV together because I wanted to watch basketball, sorry,

on the other ones. And I gave Brady the audio and I really listened like for the three hours and he's changed a couple things that I thought were really important. Like he's, he's definitely, it feels like you're hanging out with him a little bit more. He's reacting to what he's seeing. He's not doing like, Oh, I have prep on this situation. I'm now I'm going to do my prep. Doesn't feel like he's overproduced, but what we got, and I don't know if it was a case of like, we just had two awesome quarterbacks and when it's awesome quarterbacks, he can put himself in the mind of the quarterback but he was

pointing out like oh here's what and Burkhardt was doing a good job of saying hey when they're when they're using all those words at the line what does that mean and then Brady's like well here's what that means and that's like that's exactly what I want from him and then he was explaining like how to how they're using the receivers how they were exploiting certain things the game management stuff he was all over. I thought he was excellent. I thought it helped that he had his Hubie Brown moment.

He just got one horse. He went horse. Yeah, he did. And it felt like he was in the game. Like it's all that stuff he said he did the previous weeks. No, he was in the game and he was liking it. And he was it was doing it. He was inside of it. So it's good. And like Nikua had that incredible catch when he kept his feet in and Brady got so

excited. It got me excited. Cause I'm like, this guy's the best quarterback ever. If he's that excited about that catch, that must've been an awesome catch. So anyway, I think the Brady thing, it started out as rocky as you would've thought. I thought it was getting worse. Like around week seven, week eight, week nine, which we talked about on the pod and Thanksgiving was a little better. And I thought today was really encouraging. I really feel like he's getting the hang of it.

Yeah, all he needs is the best game of the year, every week, and he'll be fine. That's it. If you had Cooper Rush against Drew Locke, I wonder if it would have been that great. Did the NFC West clinch division you've changed your mind on the most status today? Because we've had yet another shift at the top. Seattle's now eight and five in the driver's seat and they were dead two weeks ago. Yeah, I think the good news is we're not going to change our

minds again, right? We've changed it nine times. And they're only minus 135 because I guess the Rams are right there at plus 160, but the Cardinals have fallen off at 13 to one. Now I'm seeing on fan though, but they're done. They lost to Seattle twice and they're too back. Like it's a wrap. That's it. So it's just the Rams in Seattle for the division. And I think Seattle showed some toughness.

You know, that's one of the narratives. Like I feel like we drive some of these narratives and whatever our top three or four narratives are going into Monday, we should scrap all of narratives and whatever our top three or four narratives are going into Monday, we should scrap all of them and start over. One of them was going to be like, Oh, Kenneth walk without Kenneth Walker, they're not going to be as tough as Arizona. Yeah.

They were much tougher on both sides of the ball. Yeah. They ran the ball. There are two running backs that weren't Kenneth Walker, 29 for 172. She no no turnovers and they got the middle of their defensive lineback. My big fear with them is that they couldn't block, but they actually seem like they blocked a little bit better today.

We have a lot of future stuff with Seattle. We do. That was, I think the one I had, I had division bets with them, I had over bets with them, make the playoff bets, all kinds of things. That looked pretty bleak a couple weeks ago. Now we look at them, I actually think they might be good. I don't know if they're on the Detroit, Green Bay,

maybe even Minnesota, Philly level. They're probably fifth in that group, but they have a bunch of good players on both sides of the ball. And they, when Gino's not making any mistakes, you watch them and you go, all right, I get this. So I think they're going to be, they're three seed right now. They would, they would be playing a green Bay in the three six. I like it.

Two solid teams. That's a nice game. Really good first round matchup. I do think there's a team out there that not that we owe an apology for, but it's time we give them the recognition. You mentioned the brief with the Vikings. Oh, today was good. Yeah. Today was great. Yeah. It's time though. It's time. We have to do it. Wait, can we hold it for one second? I just want to rip through the NFC West quick. Yes, go ahead.

Arizona is 6 and 7, they're done. Niners are 6 and 7. Not totally done. You also have Washington at 8 and 5 with the last wild card spot. Who the hell knows what's going to happen with them. They have New Orleans on the road this week. Home Philly, home Atlanta at Dallas.

I would assume that gets them to at least 10 wins, which would knock out a couple of these teams. Right. But, um, Seattle has green Bay home, Minnesota home, Chicago on the road, Rams on the road, and then, uh, the Rams have San Francisco and the Jets on the road, home, Rams have San Francisco in the jets on the road, home, Zona home, Seattle. So it might come down to that Rams Seattle game. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's what we thought. I mean, I was like, this is the only division that's going to come down to week 18 now I'm not even sure if we get that, but at San Francisco is the tough now the 49ers are kind of back, not maybe in the mix, but they're going to be spoiler, I think, if not next week, somewhere in the road. That was the one. So that was the bet I lost this week.

I did well this week and that was the one. And I didn't just lose it. It was an annihilation. They look good, but the Bears also look bad. There's no such thing as the new coach, but apparently, but I don't know what to believe with the Niners. Is that the Bears were just bad or the Niners back? Like I, I honestly don't know. And I had that game on for three hours. I don't know either. I mean,

you see that stat in the second quarter or close to half is 310 to two. And yeah, I think you're right. I think that means that there's no new coach energy. There's no, it's dead two yards. We had the Jets didn that there's no new coach energy. There's no, it's dead. Two yards. We had the jets didn't cover with the new coach and they didn't cover the clock or covered. Right.

So yeah, that's it. And what did San Francisco, they're like, that was another narrative that we could throw out. Like they're done. They have too many injuries and then, you know, everybody bid $37 on Isaac Glorendo and he got them into the playoffs and fantasy and he took over today. And now he's, there's one, there's one Arizona question that we have to ask. Cause Kyler sucked again today.

He had two terrible. Yeah. That game against Seattle a couple of weeks ago, he had that awful play on fourth to one that basically was the swing that blew the game for them. That in Harrison considering is the fourth pick in the draft. I can't say he's been jumping off my TV though. Arizona was six and four, three weeks ago and we were feeling good about them. And I liked them.

I liked that they were playing. And now, now I'm wondering like, are these, what are these last four weeks going to mean for Kyler? And is this the guy that's going to be the QB for them because and they don't have a huge fan base They're not gonna be leading first take tomorrow. Nobody really cares But you know that this has been a recurring thing with Kyler where it feels like he's can keep you around But he's not quite good enough He can do the garbage time TD at the end of the game that makes it seem like the game was closer than it was.

But I just, we have a lot of evidence now that you might not be able to trust them against a good defense. Yeah, they don't finish drives. They don't, you know, there are just still some coaches in the division that they never beat or barely beat. And like you said, they were winning despite the fact that Harrison wasn't having a great year. I think he probably has five or six touchdowns, but you know, you will wait.

You were expecting him to go for like six for 150 most games and not that at all. Now they've lost three in a row, right? Yeah. Well, Bowers turned out to be the receiver from the draft. All right. Your guys say in Darnold. So 340, seven yards, five TDs today. He's had clutch games over and over again.

Last week brought them down to win it. Today, that Falcons game was a little closer. So I'm sure you watched it too. I know the score is going to blow up, but I was nervous about the Falcons for two hours in that game and Darnold was just winging it downfield. He really has energy with Jefferson and Addison. And Addison about three touchdowns. It's crazy.

So he has almost 3,300 yards Darnold, 28 touchdowns and 10 picks. And if they are in round one, he'll probably be like a four plus point favorite is on a one year deal. They have JJ McCarthy. I'd be really hesitant not to bring him back. I think they have to, I, this is this today was the first day where I was like, wow, they might have actually found their QB and maybe they should think about trading JJ McCarthy.

It's interesting. There aren't too many out there like him. And we're going to talk about some shitty franchises probably a little later and this is the way to rebound. You have to kind of strike gold with a guy like this who's getting 10 million a year and you could do that for a couple seasons. Like Epple, Baker Mayfield, Gino on a smaller scale, but I would say Darnold has a higher upside than both of them because of the pedigree he had once upon a time. I think so too.

I think the Yankees should offer him, um, 650 million for 15 for sure. If you ask me. Well, so six teams need a quarterback next year. Vegas, the Giants, Titans, Saints, maybe the Seahawks, if they can't agree to a deal with Gino and maybe the Niners, if they can't figure out a Brock Pertti extension. And I was looking at those teams and it's like, if you're Vegas and you could get Sam Darnold

and you draft Travis Hunter, and you have the money to spend, I'm probably doing that. This guy, the Niners really like him. The Vikings seem like they love him. And then if I'm the Vikings, I don't know, I'd have to really think about this one. He's only 27, it's not like he's Kirk Cousins.

He's not 37, like heading into his late 30s. Like this is, he's entering the prime of his career and he's playing great. He's a year old and a bull nix. Right. Yeah, and he has real chemistry with the receivers. They're loaded offensively, but he's won them a few games now.

He has. And you said 28 and 10. What do you have? 3,300 yards. Like this is, I don't know. He's not the reason they're 11 and two, but you get rid of them. Get used to being seven and six with the new guy, whoever it is. Right? I think it's easy at this point, honestly.

Yeah. If you're just watching them on red zone and you're just seeing the highlights, you've probably seen some of the long passes. The thing that jumps out to me is they're really nice, long, beautiful, on target passes. He got lucky today with the first touchdown he had. His arm kinda got touched so it was an under throw

and Addison made a great play. But when you have two weapons like that, you want a guy who's not afraid to wing it downfield and who has the confidence to, and if he makes a mistake, is gonna come back. I think that's been the thing that's been the most impressive with him. Yeah, he gets him out of trouble.

We're at the point, if I was a Jets fan, I'd actually be legitimately bummed out about it. The good news is there's like a hundred things that could be bummed out about. I The good news is like a hundred things. I know he's been on three teams. Listen, I get it. He's been on three teams since, but I was like, oh my God, like really? This guy's like this good. Yeah.

So I remember the, in the seventies when we lost, we Plunkett was the number one pick for the pass and he just got the shit kicked out of him. They ended up like trading him. He gets waved. Then he ends up on the Raiders and the Super Bowl, and our quarterbacks were terrible when I was a kid, and then Plunkett's like winning the Super Bowl, and it was kind of like, wait, what's going on?

We had this guy? It's really frustrating. Well, I mean, on a different scale, it's like the Bears, what they did for years with Mahomes, like yeah, we could've had this guy. I know people say they could've had him, but we were interested and we passed on them. So yeah, there's a million what ifs like that, but the jets for sure are kicking themselves.

It's tough with these late bloomer reclamation guys, because, you know, that, that case, Keenum year we were doing pods and it was legitimate. Like he was moving the ball and making plays, but you know, physically he wasn't a big guy. He didn't have like a cannon arm. And there was, you knew there were some smoking mirrors in it as it was happening, but they were winning with them, so you couldn't say much. Darnold's like, kind of checks all the boxes for,

you know, I don't think he would be like a top seven quarterback, but he has the size, he has the arm, he has the confidence, he can move around. He had one touchdown that he created today where he somehow did this Jedi fucking move to get out of it. It seemed like he was gonna get sacked and bought time and just winged it down.

And it's a touchdown. I'm really impressed. My buddy who's a Vikes fan loves him. He's just like, I just love Darnold. I don't want him to go. Yeah, I mean, if you rank the, let's say we're in the playoffs now, you rank the quarterbacks, he wouldn't be at the bottom.

He wouldn't be at the bottom of the list. And for teams that didn't make the playoffs, like Tua, I'd have him over Tua right now. You know, I'd have him. Oh my, that's, yeah, no question. Some of these other teams, I'm not, you know, I don't know, I just trust them more. Do you think he's playing better than love?

I think it's close. I feel like we, you know, we did a weird thing, right? With this division, like we have so much in stock. We, we ranked them one through four in the beginning of the year. And we have all that stuff going on. And then we have, oh, lions are playing great. And then we're like, well, the lions defense, uh, it's decimated. And then they hold the Packers to under 300 yards.

Not a narrative that went south, but I think we were raising the stock of Jordan love and the Packers when we probably should have been looking at the Vikings. Right. Like at this point, I think I'd be more surprised if the Packers pulled off an upset in the playoffs than if the Vikings did. Well, the thing with them, they, they won a couple stupid games early on, right? Like that, that Jets game in London in week five, when the Jets felt like the Jets were going to win the game and they didn't, they lost to Detroit, the Rams twice in a row. They had that weird stretch where

they beat Indy and the Jags and Tennessee all in a row. And it's like, what is this? They barely beat the Bears in a game that it felt like the Bears should have won. Then last week against Arizona, Arizona had the game. It was 19 to six. It felt like it was over. This was a real statement game for them. And it was also a statement for Atlanta, because I don't know how long. I just can't imagine they can keep playing cousins.

Yeah, that was a dumb pick by me at Atlanta this week. He has eight interceptions in the last four games. And, um, I don't know, like why did they draft pennix? Like it's a genius pick if you start them, but otherwise it's a huge waste. Unless there's something like, we don't know, like a Trey Lance situation. Like, no, he's just bad behind the scenes, you know, to trust us. He's not ready because we talked about this last week, right? Like did they, they had that six weeks after they signed him, right.

In March. Yeah. Did they know something from those six weeks? Cause it's zero TDs in the last four weeks, six picks in the last two weeks. And two awful, awful, six picks in the last two weeks. And two awful, awful, awful picks today. I mean the problem with him is, they're not just interceptions,

they're horrible. They're like, suck the life out of the team, bad place. And like him compared to Darnold, there was no contest. If you said which one of these guys got 100 million guaranteed last year to somebody who just woke up from a coma, they would have thought it was Darnold, there was no contest. If you said which one of these guys got 100 million guaranteed last year to somebody who just woke up from a coma, they would have thought it was Darnold. Oh yeah, lot of big contracts for cousins.

Yeah, I don't know how he does it. I really don't. And if it's, you know, I haven't seen the metrics. Did he surpass 36 miles an hour? Because that was the big one. That's when the DeLorean explodes. I felt like he had a couple that got into the low forties today. Oh, that's good.

All right. Do you, there's this narrative about how the Giants actually probably need Sam Darnold the most, but they can't sign him cause he was on the Jets and they'd be bringing him back to Giants Stadium. Interesting. I think that's stupid, but I also can't speak for the despair of Giants and Jets fans these days. But to get somebody that was a Jets cast off like mentally is some sort of invisible hump for them, apparently. Well, unless he thrives with the Giants.

Isn't that the best medicine? Right. I was a little bit of what I'm feeling with Juan Soto right now with the Yankees, but I think that would be great. Yeah. I'm sorry. Just a lot of- I would go dome team if I was Sam. Yeah.

Yeah. It does seem like he's, he's better there and the giants, um, the giants, I don't know if you watch that game, but I, I tried not to. Well, when they're driving to win, like, you know, the front office is like, Oh, don't, what are you doing? Drew lock just to get tripped up here or something. Like that's the, that's the red zone. I want to see like the owner's box when the two team, like, you know, Oh, don't, what are you doing? Drew lock just to get tripped up here or something like that's the, that's the red zone I want to see.

Like the owner's box when the two team to win team is driving and you know, you know, they don't, the players don't tank because they can't, they'll get killed, but you know, the front office is like, we got to stay at two wins. We have to get that top pick. We'll figure out who it is then. I made a business decision to not watch that game or Jags Titans and concentrate on all the other ones. And one of the games switched over to Giant Saints,

right as that big drew lock drive at the end. You know, big long scramble. Did you turn your head? No, I actually, I realized that I should have actually been more focused on it because if the Giants won, the Pats would have gotten, they would have been the number two pick in the draft basically, unless they win again. And so all of a sudden I'm rooting for the Giants and then of course they Giants it up

at the end and that was it. So Pats are at the number three spot right now. Yeah, Raiders and Giants are the top two. Is that right? Yeah. So Tampa has Tampa is up by a game now in the NFC South a bit that you made it. I did not, but they have chargers next week at LA at Dallas home for Carolina and a game that's suddenly tough. Cause I guess Carolina is just going to be frisky every game now. And then new Orleans at home to end it with Derek Carr probably

not playing. So he was a little reckless today. He's yeah, but he was reckless. He really was. I mean, the Raiders can't help themselves and then just blow it towards the end. But, um, you know, they're like, you want to turn the ball over three times? We got you. We got you. We got you back bucks 2813 before you look well, and then a no Kano left Right there came in Desmond He's back

So the Steelers couldn't say FC North maybe I think if they split that one of the next two games, they probably have it. They lead the NFL and takeaways. And, uh, and the most interesting thing to me about that game was just that they did that well without pickings and then Mike Williams made a couple of plays for them. Well, this is a tough week, right? Cause they're at Philly and Baltimore's got to walk over against the giants. So it could be cut to one.

And then they have the head to head. Except they're catching Philly during a week when they looked awful against Carolina and then AJ Brown had a really weird interview after it was just like the Eagles, they just don't want to be loved. That's who they are. There was too much love for them the last week. People, especially when Detroit's defense got banged up, even I was thinking, I thought they had a chance to maybe be the best team in the league with Detroit's defense, you know, kind of cratering and, um, they barely be Carolina.

And if you miss the game, I know you didn't, but Ligette had the touchdown and dropped it, the game was over. I thought he caught it. I was furious. Like you, I probably had Philly and five UFC NFL parlays that are made yesterday that were lingering over I'm like, oh my god, really they're gonna lose this but he dropped it Yeah, I don't know. I believe me I had him I did a bad amount money line parlays with all those things you just said and one guy had three point one million dollars

On the Eagles so that became a rooting interest as well. But when I saw that, that made me think Carolina had a chance because that's just too much money. This has to get weird now. Yeah. It's like when the when the betters are getting up for the games more than the team, but that might be it. Like maybe maybe you just don't.

How much are you going to get up for the Panthers coming to town and in December after you've rocked everybody? But yeah, the A.J AJ Brown thing is weird for sure. I think if green Bay had beaten Detroit on Thursday and Philly had a chance to be the one seed, they might've approached that game a little differently. Now they're like, eh, we are where we are. They're basically locked into the two seed, right? Yeah.

I don't think, uh, no scenario where they're not the two seed. They have a three game lead over Seattle and a four game lead over Tampa. Yep, two seed Bryce Yogg though So they're on their own two. They're down six. I'm just getting excited for our stupid picks pool because I had Philly Minus third minus twelve and a half or 13 I'm like, oh Bryce will throw a pick six and somehow Philly's gonna cover. And then he just kinda started marching down the field.

Dillon made a couple big plays. I thought Bryce was really impressive. I thought, I had that in my multi-view on for the whole game and was watching some of it. And I thought Bryce, he clearly has salvaged whatever he needed to salvage. He's gotta be the guy for them next year. He is decent, man.

He really is. He's decent. You went over it and how fluky it was for him to get his job back, right? It was like a Dalton family car accident and stuff. But I think the player talking about, like he scrambled on third down from his three. He ran just up to, I don't even know if he realized if he wasn't over the line yet when he passed it and then got him down the field. And, um, but yeah, they're going to be, they're going to be a pain in the ass team.

We no longer have a team where we could just bet against. And that's why, that's why I've been so, uh, kind of pissy about the Patriots. Cause I think when you have these young teams that are going nowhere, when, once you hit like late November, early December, it could go one of two ways. Either you go the way the giants are going where you've lost eight straight and it's just a comedy of errors. You can go the way the Patriots are going, where you're looking at every part of the team other than the quarterback going, are we better at one spot than we

were eight weeks ago? And you look at Carolina, they've been in these close games now. I think this was their sixth straight game. And there, there was a point when they looked like they might be the worst team in the league. Yeah. I have a right here. So, I mean, you know, they're losing them all, but starting, they beat the

saints, they beat the giants, they lost Casey by three, they lost the Tampa by three, they lost to Philly by six and dropped the game in touchdown. That's a six week sample size. If you include the bi-week, I feel like they won that. Um, but then you look at a team like the Pats, even Vegas has shown like a little. Something, you know, when you consider they probably have the worst quarterback situation in the league. Yeah.

And they almost beat Casey last week. They kind of hung around against Tampa. Well, your Patriots have been in a couple of these. I mean, I know it's not, you know, the Titans and stuff. It's not going to get too excited. I feel like we could be seven and six. If we had Belichick, we'd be seven and six. That's where I've landed. Steve Belichick? If we had Steve Belichick, Or we had Belichick's girlfriend. We had talked about the Jets who clinched 2024's most depressing team today.

They played actually pretty well the whole game and Tua was bad, I thought. Thought he was all over the place. He would have one good throw, he would have a terrible throw. The team had no flow at all. Um, couple of times, it just seems like he's leading his receivers toward a spot where they're just going to get decked. Waddle a couple of times. I almost felt like pulled up a little cause he's like, no, I'm not. Don't you feel like the way he tilts his body when he drops back to pass and

maybe he looks weirder cause he's a lefty, but the way he turns his body, it feels like anyone could know to jump a route, right? Right. Which is why he's starting it so fast. He gets rid of it in two seconds. He was fine, except when he can't, but yeah. And Rogers was okay for how he's been this year, but had some, I mean, the funniest one was he had Wilson open by 30 yards and somehow led him out of

bounds on the throw. He caught it and like just it was an 80 yard touchdown with anybody. But they had the game and it felt like they were going to win. Two minute warning. They get a first down on Miami's 27. Miami has two timeouts left. Clock ticks down to like under 120. And here's what they did.

They ran for minus five, timeout Miami. Rogers gets sacked for minus six, timeout Miami. Miami has no timeouts left and we're close to a minute left. Rogers throws a 14 yard out to Adams who goes out of bounds with a minute left. Yep. Jets kick a field goal, go up three, but now instead of having 15 seconds left, the Dolphins have a minute left. They return the kickoff to midfield, they end up tying it, they win it in OT. It was abominable.

But the jet sucks so nobody cares, but it was about as bad clock management as we've seen this year. It was really bad. The DJ was bad on the other side too, but you're right, I don't know why Adams is going out of bounds on that play. If you run for four yards and the clock runs, it's better.

Even if you missed the field goal, it's better than what they, they did there. Uh, and they could have kneeled three times that it would have been better. They could have kneeled backwards. Yeah. But the DJ, if I could bring that up for a second, uh, McDaniel, that this is my biggest pet peeve in sports. When you're fourth and three on plus territory at the 45, you have to, have to, have to go for the hard count. You have to, you have to try.

Oh, when you punted without even doing it. You can't just bring the punt team on. You have to line up and then if you, if you don't do it and they punted through the end zone, which they did, I think the authority should come down and just take you off the field right there because you just don't get it. You're not trying. These guys are the jittery jets. You can get them to jump off sides. It happens like one out of every seven times, so just try it. It's a great point. I like it. I'm mad that he has a nickname

already thanks to Lombardi the DJ because I think Young Dexter would have been a good nickname too, because he's in Miami. Yeah. He kind of looks like he's just going to go back to some room and plan some murders. He could have a few nicknames. He could be like Shaq with just like six or seven nicknames. There's no reason not to.

I wonder, like, I've been thinking a lot about the head coach stuff, because I really hope the, I don't think they will, but I'm really hoping the Patriots just get Vray Bull. I just don't understand why we wouldn't. He's in the Patriots Hall of Fame. I know he's a good coach. Like, just let's admit the Mayo thing didn't work. Let's just get Vray. Let's get a real coach.

We have this unbelievable quarterback. Like let's not waste one year with this. Let's just get him an awesome coach and let's try to build around the coach and the quarterback like we did for 20 years with Belichick and Brady. Um, but I was thinking about what makes a coach succeed and what doesn't over and over again, it's like the hot play car gets called in or it's like this amazing defensive whiz or like this guy is like are we doing this wrong I guess is my point because over and over again it seems like if they like if they fired

Mayo no like we've hired Ben Johnson the Lions whiz kid offensive coordinator it's gonna be great for Drake May my responsibility is he are we sure does he know how to coach like all aspects of the team? I know he could probably drop some cool plays like the DJ. Yeah. But does he know how to like lead men? Does he know understand game situations? Like we always rave about these great coaches that we have in the league that you and I love to bet on like Tomlin and Andy Reed and you know, the Harbaugh's.

And these guys, these aren't like whiz kids specialist things. They're like attitude. They got, they're like leaders of men who look for specific things. They build through the lines. I don't understand why everybody doesn't do that. Wow. I think that's my soliloquy. I really, well, I think the answer is there might not be enough guys like that.

They're just aren't right. I mean, it might be just be a handful leaders of men. I mean, you've got Dan Campbell, you love his post game speeches. I saw the tweet. He's another one. Right. He's awesome. Uh, he's going to win coach of the year, if not for the lions, great record

because of these speeches and these get on sports center. And if you're a Dan Quinn or a Mike Tomlin or an Andy Reed, you kind of have to step it up, you'd like take your shirt off in the locker room and let that get on TV. Right. If you're going to win this coach of the year thing because he's pretty damn good and you're right. He's a leader of men. Oh that's a good point.

You gotta think of, you almost have to think of the post game YouTube clip or the Twitter clip on that. You're on, you're mic'd up. For trying to win coach of the year. You gotta bang your head against a locker. Yeah, you almost have to memorize lines like an actor. Strip down, wave the shirt over your head, do something. Campbell uses notes which I thought was interesting.

I don't know if you've noticed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has notes, he's like, all right, first ball, and he looks down. Maybe that could be Tomlin's edge. Tomlin has no notes. He just knows who to give the game ball to. Teleprompter, yeah.

Yeah, anyway, my point is, I just think the WizKid thing, I think we're gonna grow out of that soon. It feels like that goes wrong way more than it goes right. Cliff Kingsbury last week was the number one guy for the Bears in terms of like odds and stuff. Like how much do you need to see about with him, right? Right. Bears only thing went so bad,

they paid him to go away during the season. And even the coordinator thing's a little sketchy at this point, so. Also, all right, let's say Steve Sarkasian's a good, no, not Steve, Steve Spagnolo. I got my double S's confused. Spagnolo is a good example. Like, he was the head coach, didn't work.

He might go to the Hall of Fame as the defensive coordinator. Would you rather be like the most incredible offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator? I know you make more money as a coach, but like Josh McDaniels is a good example. He was an excellent offensive coordinator and a terrible head coach. So maybe sometimes it's okay maybe to be just like

an overqualified, awesome, properly played defensive coordinator versus getting thrown. I know they have to do it. I know it's a bigger job, it's more money, you gotta do it, but. Yeah, well maybe if Andy Reid had given them like a nicer Christmas gift, Eric B. Enemy would be around and they wouldn't be scoring like 16 points a game,

like things like that, but yeah. Do you know who the running backs coach is of the commanders? I don't, I don't think so. It's Anthony Lin. Oh, yeah. Remember him? Yeah, yeah, so. It's Anthony Lin. Oh yeah. Remember him? Yeah.

That's the thing. These guys get one head coaching job and then they go back and they're like a cool coordinator or like a linebackers coach or a running backs coach or like a D backs coach or a special teams coach. And a lot of times they get their one shot and that's it. But that the big picture point is variable stated there. Belichick might go to college for God's sakes. Because he's so disgruntled. All right. Next topic. Oh, I want to do a quick jets thing. The jets had they went 0 and 7 in these games that they almost won. And I'm just going to remind you the games really quick. The Denver bad weather game 10-9 and the guy missed the field goal and they also

lost the bond downs. Minnesota and London, they had a first down inside the 30 down six and then Rogers threw a pick. Bills 23-20 they lost that they were midfield three minutes left driving Rogers threw a pick. Pats 25-22 they lost. They missed a two point to go up seven and then the Patz drove down the field and won the game on them. Colts 28-27 they actually scored give up a game winning drive to

Anthony Richardson which that has somehow happened twice this year. Seattle 26-21 first down inside the 30 lost ball and downs and then Dolphins they lose by six today and I have no idea how they lost. Is it possible the jets weren't bad? Like the jets are three and 10. Is it possible they, they actually weren't bad? Like even if they go four and three in those games, they're seven and six right now, like battling for a seventh seed. They can't close games.

There are plenty of bad teams that are where I'm one score games. You could literally pinpoint Rogers as the reason they're three and ten instead of seven and six. I didn't realize it was that easy to figure out. All right. I guess so. By that, if you're going to measure it like that. But I also think he should be tired.

Oh, and seven? Yeah. He went over 300 yards today. He should be like, that's it. It's not gonna get better than that. I have a Netflix documentary coming out next week and I passed with 300 yards and I'm never gonna blame myself.

You and I both had the Dolphins money on them. Yeah, I was scared for a minute. They were reprehensible for most of that game. They looked like they didn't really wanna be there. They looked like they thought the game was three hours later than it was and they all hustled over and got dressed and just kind of ran out and didn't warm up. I was alarmed by how, and the jets moved the ball up and down on them the whole

game. They didn't have a breeze hall. It was, it was pretty disgusting. And then Miami ends up winning. Anyway, our buddy JJ was there. He goes there. He's like, he's like an old man. He flies from New York.

He goes to the, has to have the sun. He's there. And he was like, by the end of the game, he's like an old man, he flies from New York, he has to have the sun, he's there. And he was like, by the end of the game, he texted us, he's like, I was shaking. I was shaking at the end. I was like, why were you shaking? This is monumental win. You lost like six draft spots. Six and seven. We're one away from 500. It's like, oh man, if he was shaking about that, he's not going to be happy about Juan Soto. Man, if he was shaking about that, he's not going to be happy about Juan Soto. What's the most depressing franchise rankings?

Okay. Right now, in your opinion, who is the most depressing franchise? If you're a fan and you're looking at the season you're having, the assets you have, your quarterback coach situation, what your picks are, your salary cap situation, the division you're in, the conference you're in, everything, who should be the most depressed right now? Cleveland Browns. I had them number one as well.

Without hesitation. Now the Jameis stuff, he's a miracle. He's a lot of fun to watch. I think he should be like an all time quarterback for Monday night football or something, because he's so much fun. And today we didn't even get a lot of fun to watch. I think he should be like an all time quarterback for Monday night football or something. Cause he's so much fun. And today we didn't even get a great James game. We got like a, a four, but if he could, he could do anything from actually kind of bad today. Yeah. Yeah. It was,

I don't like if it's just bad. I want them to be great and bad, but ultimately worse. But yeah, it's, uh, they owe their quarterback $92 million over the next two years. They're a losing franchise. They have borderline criminal owners, ledge bribery scandal all over the place. And they're in a tough, I mean, that division is gross. How are they going to, uh, they'll play like today. They'll be tied to the clothes for a minute and that's it. But they're looking at like six and 11 in extra years, I think at best. I had the number one as well.

My second pick was the Giants. Eight straight losses, most incompetent NFL franchise really for the last decade. If you, if you look at record, you look at all the stuff that's happened with them. They don't have a QB coach or GM. I want at least one of the three if I'm, you know, they're over three. Today, a plane flew over the stadium that said, Mr. Mara enough, please fix this dumpster fire was flying over the stadium. And now they're going to have the number one pick and it's a draft where

nobody really likes the QBs. Yeah, it's rough. And you're going to have to talk one pick and it's a draft where nobody really likes the QBs. Yeah. It's rough. And you're going to have to talk yourself into saying, Darnold, I think they have to be second. Would you have anybody over though? Um, if I had to go next, I would take the Bears. I think. Oh, interesting.

I had that Bears number nine. Oh, you did? Oh, wow. Yeah. Who do you have above that? Cause I think you could talk yourself into Caleb and they, you know, they've had some draft picks and. I think that division is going to be very good for a while. And I feel like it's a little depressing, the Caleb thing right now. And they, they just don't really, I don't think they know what they're

doing in the front office. And, uh, I, you know, they're in a loud, much like the giants, they're in a loud sitting, you know, they're never going gonna hear the end of how bad they are forever. So it gets amplified. Who do you have? I had the Raiders third for me. They're paying three coaches right now. They have the worst record in the league.

They've had no results whatsoever. Other than that one year they made the playoffs with, uh, with car. When Max Crosby was fun. We had pit boss rich. That was fun. I guess that was good. Um, no QB. I don't, I guess Tom Brady is now a part owner, but there's just not a lot going on.

And I'm in a division now with my homes and Harbaugh and Herbert and Sean Peyton. And I'm just bummed. If I'm a Raiders fan. Yeah. Um, what did the. I think they interviewed 31 agents. Was James Babydoll Dixon one of them? I don't know, but they all said they were the worst run organization, the Raiders. I mean, they've been taking wild swings for 25 years and can't get there. Who'd you have for four? Okay. For four, worst franchise, I'm going to go Quiznos. Um, you know, we had someone work at Jimmy Kim alive and moved to the Pacific Northwest like 15 years ago, opened the Quiznos and they closed immediately.

And now you hear less about it than Subway, Jimmy John's, Blimpies, Jersey Mike's, Fat Sal's out here, you know, you make your own sandwiches. Too many options. Listen, prepare for that. They're in trouble, Quiznos. Quiznos. Unless they sponsor us. In that case, they'll...

Jimmy Jets is taking their ledge. Yeah. All right, go ahead. You go. Jets. Yeah. They'll unwind this Roger thing, but they've spent so much capital in cap picks, everything. Their fans have no faith in anything they do.

They don't have a coach. They don't have a GM. They don't have a quarterback. When you're 0 for 3, as I said earlier, that's, that's where you get worried. I don't really know what the solutions are. I guess the good news is they lost today. Um, those are pretty easy top four for me at Brown's Giants Raiders Jets, but anybody else you would put up there?

I thought what was interesting about this exercise was I would have the Panthers in the top three like two months ago and now, you know, I think they might've have, might've found a coach and I think they at least have a QB that they know they can bring into the off season and feel good about. They're going to have another high draft pick. They've paid the Caleb thing. The Caleb trade turned the way Caleb played this year It's you know, maybe not gonna haunt them and the way we could have thought

So I dropped them down a number eight. Well, let me ask you this Who would you rather have so you'd rather have the Panthers franchise than the Jaguars? Yeah, cuz the thinking with the Panthers was there in such a funky division. Mm-hmm Yeah, because the thinking with the Panthers was they're in such a funky division. Mm-hmm. That's why I was like comparing it. They're in with the Bucks and the Saints and the Falcons. Like, all I have to do is, you know, find a couple good players. I can go to war.

Whereas if I'm the Jags, I'm in a vision with Stroud. I don't know. I guess it's not that worse. I mean, they're paying Trevor Lawrence $2.75 for five. Well, that's the thing. So that's got to be your guy. I had Titans five and Jags six. The only difference is the Titans definitely don't have a QB and I don't think they have

a coach either or a gym. The Jags might have a QB. Right. That's it. And I do like Brian Thomas. I do like some of the Jags. I do wonder what would happen if you gave them a really good coach next year. So I do think they have some talent, whereas the Titans, they were awful today. You also have to have an owner who's wants to win.

Okay. Most of them do. And it's not a fricking idiot. Right. Like, uh, I don't know. We can't put my team up there because it's much. You did. Yeah.

Son of a bitch. I had the bears night and the Cowboys tent. All right. But I, you know, it's a distant tent compared to jets, Titans, Jags, four, five, six, like you're miles away from those teams. They're kind of worth a lot though. If you wanted to sell them. That's what I'm just talking about winning.

And the saints I had number seven, that's another one where I don't really know long-term what you got there. They're probably the weirdest ownership situation combined with the, what's going on with the basketball team. No QB they're in Capel, Peyton fled them a couple of years ago for. For a mysterious reason. So I think they have to be mentioned as well. I think we have to mention the Patriots too. They haven't won their division in years. In years they haven't won a division. They have an impossible time building a roster.

Listen, if we didn't have Drake May, we would be in the top five for this combo. You got a stadium, no one cares. Nephew Kyle's the only one ballsy enough to wear the jersey. I have the majors, the world last week. That's one. Do you guys the lines? Yeah, let's do it. I don't take any breaks. Do we take breaks?

No, we're just flying through it. I like it. All right. Kyle's going to put the breaks in Thursday night. Niners Rams in San Francisco. Interesting one. A more exciting game than it was a week ago. If you told me Friday how excited you are about Niners Rams next Thursday, I would have been like, eh, four. Now it might be like a seven.

I liked it. Just play tough San Francisco. Give us your B- game at least for this one. What's our record for Guest of Lens? What are we doing now? I won the last couple of weeks. Seven, six, and one. You still have the lead. I have the Niners by three over the Rams.

Ooh. Yeah, you get this. Yeah, by the way, you're gonna win this week. I was way off on a lot. I said one and a half, it's two and a half. So you're going to win this week. I was way off on a lot. I said one, I said one and a half. It's two and a half. So you're getting pretty, putting rams on every teaser. I know you are bangles tomorrow. Rams Thursday.

Good. Good job on you. Something I don't trust about the Rams. It's never easy with them. You know, even today there, what was that score? Something I don't trust about the Rams. It's never easy with them. You know, even today there was that score 35 13 at one point. Yeah, like that. Just don't never feel comfortable with them and you watch that offense is never gonna be better. Yeah, I know it. That's feels like they you watch their offense and they seem like they should be that nobody wants to see these guys in the playoffs, but And I feel like people will be fine seeing them

Sunday's marquee game we had two really good options for this, but I'm gonna go with Lions Bills in Detroit Jared Goff of the punchers chance to steal the MVP. I don't think he will Bills don't totally need the game. As we mentioned earlier, they're going to be there two seed or three seed lions kind of need the game because the Vikings won't go away and, uh, and the Eagles won't go away either. So I had the lions by three and a half. We split this.

I said one and a half. It is two and a half. Hmm. You surprised? That's fair. Well, I didn't think they were going to make it three. I know it's not a must win for the bills, but I just don't see them losing back to back a lot. It's a fun one.

I'm already fast forwarding to Dan Campbell's written speech. Excited. I wonder, it feels like they docked the lions at least a point for the defensive injuries. Did you see Hutchinson might come back for round three? That was exciting. I know. They weren't bad though against Green Bay. I know it was a lot of points, but if you hold them less than 300 yards, this was my

preseason Super Bowl pick too, so it should be fun. By the way, there's seven good games this week. Yeah Watchables I have four I have eight good games Texans home for the Dolphins I Put some games in the watchables and the fairly watchables because there's They're kind of loser leave town matches for at least one of the teams like in this case Texans Dolphins I don't think the Dolphins can lose again I'm not even sure they're a playoff team but the Broncos are also playing the Colts and

that's one that normally would be like a fairly watchable but that's actually a really good game that's probably a seventh seed and there's a scenario where Dolphins beat the Texans, Colts beat the Broncos, and now all of a sudden, we have all these scenarios to figure out. So Houston, Miami, I have the Texans by three and a half over Miami. Oh, do I get this one?

I do, I said two, it's two and a half. No, that's too low, that's stupid. I have some big, big misses coming up. I might bet Houston straight up in that one. I was not impressed by the dolphins today. No, they just look sloppy and asleep would be my scouting report. Broncos Colts. Yeah.

You know, Broncos have been tough to gauge how the, how the bookmakers think of them. So I'm going to play it safe. Broncos by three. That's what I said. It's five and a half. Yeah. See, that's what I mean. I can't tell if a Fando and company like the Broncos or not, because sometimes it seems like they do and then other times it seems like they don't.

Five and a half is rich. Well, I know you said Rams, uh, bills was the game of the year, but they don't. Five and a half's rich. Well, I know you said Rams, Bills was the game of the year, but I don't think we could say enough about Denver, Cleveland last Monday. It's just so good. You're right, that was up there too. So damn good.

That was at least the gambling moment of the year. Oh yeah. James somehow taking the dance of the one and then throwing another pick. Eagles, Steelers, in Philly. This was the other candidate for the marquee game. And I think this has to be Eagles by three. That's what I said. I can't believe this actually. Four and a half. See, this is what I was telling you before. People don't see the Steelers thing. And I think it's good for us.

All right, Steelers special, let's do it. Dump the first half and win the game. The Steelers get no respect, it's bizarre. I mean, Tomlin against Philly in Philly, getting like four and a half, five. I guarantee I'd pick that game. Chargers home for the bucks. And, uh, the bucks have been scotch taping it here for a while.

Chargers look good today. I had this at three this morning when I did this, but I'm going to bump at a half point, I'm going to say Chargers by three and a half. Ooh, shouldn't have bump. No bump. I said one and a half. It's two and a half. So we split this. God. No bump. I said one and a half, it's two and a half. So we split this.

God damn it, why did I touch it? What's going on? I like the chargers. I think the Bucks are gonna have a lot of trouble scoring against them. Yeah, I think Baker's gonna be a little jittery. I'll get to him in the pocket. It's a fun one though.

This could be, they'll have more fans, right? Chargers, the rare home game with an advantage. Yeah. How many Tampa fans would make the trip from Florida to LA and mid-December? Fairly watchables. Chiefs at Cleveland in a game that by law has to be in the Vegas zone. And I'm going to say chiefs by five and a half. This makes me, people going to think I've never done this before.

And they might be, I said nine and a half. It's six and a half. I don't know. I mean, I guess, I don't know. I hate them both for various reasons. They just don't know what to make these chiefs lines anymore. Yeah. They've no idea.

Washington is at the saints. I assume no Derek Carr, which means this line has to be at least three and a half. And that's what I'm going to guess. Washington by three and a half. So that's what I said. Unless they change this, it to guess. Washington by three and a half. So that's what I said. Unless they change this. It's seven Washington by seven.

Oh, so cars out. Not a lot of Spencer Rattler fans. No, I guess not. I'm trying to figure out why this would be Washington offer by. I don't love it. Last, fairly watchable, at least fairly watchable for me. Cardinals at home for the Patriots, probably the Pats last chance to win a game. Cardinals playing to stay in the playoff hunt.

And, uh, I was in Denver on Thursday. Here's how much I love Drake may the Patriots over under on Fandual was three and a half. And the under was plus 152. And I'm like, we're not winning another game this year. Like this is, we're finishing three and 14, unless some crazy Drake May game happens. Plus 152. What a great line. I should bet that. I'm not betting it. I didn't bet it.

Since I don't want to root against Drake May, I love Drake May. I can't root against him. Nephew Kyle was telling me about this too. You guys bet like crazy and did he go for under three and a half? He would never. No, we discussed it.

We were like very unlikely win-win again, but not betting against Drake May. Yeah, this should be close. What do you think? We were like very unlikely win win again, but not betting against Drake May. Yeah. This should be close. What do you think? Yeah, I got to say, so I'd have cards by six. What'd you have? I said six also that it's six and a half. Am I really matching?

I think the Pats could win this game. Why not? Poop Factor, Bengals at Titans. I had Bengals by six at Tennessee. I swear I had the same thing and it's four and a half. They put it in the Vegas zone. So we have a lot. Oh shit.

I just realized this. Jesus. What's the matter? Just a lot of home underdogs. Yeah. So we have Browns, Saints, Titans, Giants, potentially a couple more here, and then potentially a Mundenator. Ravens at Giants, I'm going to say Ravens by 10 and a half, and I'm not going to put them in a tease. You're going to get this because I said 10.

It's 14 and a half. Oh my Lord. That's stupid. Obviously nobody's watched Lamar and John Harbaugh against a shitty team in the road. If a team has given up, they have, what can you say? Right? And the Giants are up 14 to three heading into halftime

here in Giants Stadium. Cowboys, Panthers had a lot of trouble with this one. I gave this the old one and a half cowboys by one and a half at Carolina. I had even more trouble. I said cowboys by three. Get ready, bill path by one and a half. Oh, that is a low point for the franchise. Maybe the cowboys are the worst franchise. Maybe, maybe that puts us, maybe we have to rer for the franchise. Maybe the Cowboys are the worst franchise.

Maybe that puts us, maybe we have to re-rank these franchise clients. Oh my God. Wow. I'm staring at it and it's not changing. The Panthers are favored against the Cowboys. If I had told you six weeks ago that in week 15, the Panthers are gonna be favored by a point and a half

for the Cowboys, would you have assumed there was like a bus accident? If you told me six minutes ago, I wouldn't believe it. I still don't believe what what's going on here now I guess it's Wow the Panthers have been good. This is what we talked about earlier. They've been good for I mean a good bad team not good good, but I know they hang around in these games I'd rather have their quarterback rather have their running back. I'd rather have their quarterback. I'd rather have their running back. I'd rather have one of their receivers. Yeah, you're right. The defensive tackle.

I guess it makes sense. It's just very depressing. Jets are at Jacksonville speaking depressing. I don't know if it gets more depressing than this. This is the Aaron Rodgers, Mac Jones game. Um, nobody wanted, and I have the Jets favored by one and a half. All right. I got this exactly. It's three.

They still like the jets, the odds makers. They do. Yeah. Yeah. They still do. Did they end up covering today or? Cause it was six and a half and it dropped to five and a half. It was, and then they lost by six. I think during the week it was five and a half and, uh, I'd kick off. It was six and a half, but you can't, can't win by six and a half. It was, and then they lost by six. I think during the week it was five and a half. And I'd kick off it with six and a half,

but you can't, can't win by six and a half in overtime. Sunday night. You're up 11-9. So if you win one of these, I think you're in good shape. I'm hitting this one. Seahawks Packers in Seattle. A very good one. Always a problem with the uniforms.

Always confusing. Oh yeah. Some good problem with the uniforms, always confusing. Oh yeah. Some good history with these two teams. I'm gonna say Seahawks by one and a half. Oh, no, no, no. I said Green Bay by one. It is Green Bay by two and a half. Oh man.

Let's go. That's a big mistake. Well, this could be good because I picked one. There's two Monday night games and I picked one of them exactly. Packers two and a half. Wow. You're looking at a teaser. I know you are.

Did anyone watch the Seahawks last couple of weeks? I guess they'll have the rest advantage, right? Green Bay, Jordan love in Seattle. Two Monday night games. Yep. And I wish they were better. You know, I don't care. I just, as long as there's seven early afternoon now, I mean, cause it would've been eight if there was one up, right?

So that's fine. That's fine. Vikings home for the bears. So that's fine. That's fine. Vikings home for the bears. And, uh, I don't see how this is less than seven and a half. So I'm going to say Vikings by seven and a half. I said seven. It is seven.

Jesus. So I'm up one on you right now. You're up one. You're up one and wait, one, two, three. 11, two, three. No, it's 11, 11. I was off by a point and a half in this. You should be able to maybe get it.

Desmond Ritter against his old team. What a game. Atlanta at Vegas. I'm going to say Atlanta by three and a half. Oh, I pulled it out, four. It's five and a half. Oh my God, what a win, what a day. Come back by you. Man, Soto, this is great. You get one, Soto, you've tied me and guessed the lines.

Woo hoo. I'm a little less depressed that the Cowboys are gonna run the dog to the Panthers. Unbelievable. All right, let's do parent corner. What do you got? Let's do it. What do I have? All right, I'm gonna go with the dog to the Panthers. Unbelievable. All right. Let's see parent corner.

What do you got? Let's do it. Uh, what do I have? All right. Uh, a couple things for, first of all, my youngest, my 10 year old is in his travel baseball team and he got five hits this weekend and he's batting like 360 and he's available Mets. I know you don't have any money left, but he is available.

So he wants to hit 400 in the worst way. And I asked him if he'd rather get all A's in school and hit 300 or all C's and hit 400. And he gave the right answer. He said he'd rather get all C's and hit 400. I made sure his mother wasn't looking at it. I high-fived him. So anyway, I'm a good father, but the, the big one I want to talk about is the Spotify rap. Yeah.

And how much of a loser I feel like, because I'm embarrassed to say, even though this is what I like, Kenny Loggins, Billy Joel, Huey Lewis and the News, Chicago and Hall and Oates, those are my top five. Some of those bands are too old for even you to make a documentary about. I've heard you sing them a million times. And all of your texts are about the Yacht Rock doc? Yeah, absolutely. So you're just old. I'm just old and it's sad, but then it said July was my psychedelic beach goth moment. I was like, oh, wow. And I was big into the Growlers, the Dead Ghosts and the Peisos.

I was like, this is terrific. I don't even remember listening to those. It's my kids. It's my son. It's my college kid who shares it with Spotify and he puts me in a different realm, but it makes me feel bad. Like wow, those sound like cool bands. I couldn't name one song by any of them, but.

The Growlers. I don't think the Spotify rap, even though the, the son comes in for the save, what's like some, uh, I assume hipster music. I don't know. I don't know about the Spotify rap. I, if an app tells you that how many times you get up in the middle of night to pee, it's like, ah, that's, I don't want that getting out. So thanks for trying to save me kid, but I'm old and dying.

The growlers. the growlers. My daughter asked if she could instacart some stuff in college. And I said yes. And I just wanted to redo the order as my parent corner. I'll do it. Almond breeze unsweetened. Almond breeze unsweetened original almond milk Milk Non-Dairy Milk Alternative. Hood Instant Whipped Light Cream.

Redi Whip Orange Original Dairy Whip Topping. These are the first four things she got. What? Giordeli Hot Cocoa with Chocolate Chips. Swiss Miss Milk Chocolate Hot Cocoa Cake Cup Pods. Pillsbury Eater Bake Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. Toll House Chocolate Chip Lovers Cookie Dough with Chocolate Chips and Chocolate Chunks. Peanut Butter. 90% less fat. Powdered. Original. That was my favorite. Less fat.

After all these other orders. Archer Farms. Women's Plaid Flannel Holiday Matching Family Pajama Set. Small. Archer Farms. Women's plaid flannel holiday matching family pajama set large. Strawberries, jet puff mini marshmallows and skinny pop microwave popcorn with sea salt. Wow. That was the Instagram order.

And apparently she was at my dad's house and they decided to, um, make cookies and drink hot chocolate. And, um, and she wanted to wear all this stuff. And they decided to make cookies and drink hot chocolate. And she wanted to wear all this stuff. But I got the order and I'm like, are you in college or are you in like second grade? What's happening? Remember in college, like you used to go to college

and you were just on your own and you had like, somebody had like a toaster oven and now you can just order whatever the fuck you want and it comes. That was it. Yeah, you had a crock pot or something. Like having hot chocolate when we were in college, it would have been like a miracle. Like you have hot chocolate? It sounds amazing. Do you have like a crock pot? You could make it. Now it's just, I don't know. The whole thing of being in college,

I just feels like it's like in this delivery area. They're like, oh, I want pizza. Oh, our pizza place closed. Oh shit. I guess we can't have pizza. Now it's like, oh like in this delivery area. They're like, Oh, I want pizza. Oh, our pizza place closed. Oh shit. I guess we can't have pizza now. It's like, Oh, just order a pizza. So easy. Yeah. You're right.

College make it too easy on our kids. Uh, yeah. Like, or just like 2024. It's too easy to be a kid in college compared to the way it used to be. Like you said, like get sent off and that was it, man. You had to like sink or swim. You're on your own and fend for yourself. Right.

Right. I don't know if I blame college, but she'd be doing this at home too. Right. If you were more in pain, definitely would have done that. Yeah, I like it. Well, you see her every couple of weeks, but it'd be funny if she came back like for Christmas break, 225 pounds. Red foiled.

But that's the thing. She'll, she'll take like two bites of all this stuff because we call her We call her the maggot is her nickname in our house But she's she'll like there'll be a piece of pizza on the counter and she'll just take like Just enough for the cheese to ruin the piece, but not eat the pizza. So Rose. Oh the maggot got it Know what sergeant slaughter would call his opponents a maggot? You should get a Sergeant Slaughter. Maggots just like eat away at the, at the, we call Ben the Raccoon. Cause when Ben, when Ben gets into the kitchen, it's a lot different.

There's a lot of damage. So yeah. Yeah. Um, did you watch UFC last night? I did. I did. It was great. Really good. It's actually a better card than I thought. A couple of weird decisions, but it was pretty good.

I had opposite of you. You had gone, right? I had Volkoff. Yeah. I don't know if he won any round. No, I wrote the bet off. I thought he lost all three rounds. What did he do?

Why do they have a Gracie in there? Just because of the name. And is that the best Gracie they could have? Because he seemed content to fight from his back. You just get in half guard before he was thrown down. And he was like 36. 36. But Rogan made a big case for him when he came in as a Gracie.

You know, we talked to him and he said, he's feeling great. And, uh, and he just got completely annihilated. There's gotta be a better Gracie, is what I'm thinking. The LA card's gonna be unbelievable. Yeah, that's fun. Is that in February? That one's gonna be great. No, it's January 18th.

Oh, okay. Yeah. All right, that's it for Pair Corner. Anything else we got? That's it. What number is Juan Soto gonna wear? I don't know. It'd be funny if he had to pay someone

like three and a half million dollars for it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, what is he gonna do? Whatever fricking number he wants. He could wear an ampersand. Well, we should mention on the Ringer Sunday pregame show, you are now 12 and two on your best bets.

That's pretty good, right? Like I brag, and I'm an asshole on that show for sure. And I asked these guys if they wanted to concede, but yeah, it's right there at the beginning of the show. We give our best bets. We'll give them bets the whole hour and a half. It's a lot of fun. Ring of pregame show.

We're having a pretty good year, just in general. I think our futures did good. Million dollar picks is doing good. The Ring of Sunday pregame is doing pretty good. Everybody's house has been hitting some te some, uh, some underdogs. House heats up with the underdogs in December. So who did he have today? He had Jackson.

Yeah. He made a case that said the Titans numbers were fraudulent. They're defensive numbers and a defensive play. Okay. But yeah, we have cousins South's winning weekend on Friday against all odds. By the way, you want winter seven and one with our last eight basketball bets. Better than anyone else on the ringer. Actually.

It's quite sad. No one can compete, but yeah. And then what else? Through the ringer with Tate Frazier. I want to thank our friend, Kurt Schwartzkoff, the general hooked me up at the Intuit Dome, lots of fun. What'd you see? I got tickets. I saw the Clippers and the Trailblazers. I bet the Clippers at night. I know you gave your review of the place. I feel like I was buying a

condo trying to get into the app and face scanning and all that shit. But once you're in, it's pretty great. It's fun. They make it really hard. games for the kids at the seats and everything Balmer did a nice job on the on the cheap Wait before we go Seahawks minus 135 Rams plus 160. Yeah Tampa's minus 230 Atlanta's plus 185 Pittsburgh's minus 210 Baltimore's plus 175. Hmm. They're just dying to get you to try to put Baltimore money down. Look at that Steward's schedule and there's a whole path but I think this Steward's gonna do it anyway. All right cuz as always good job by you. Good job by

you buddy. Thanks to Kyle Creighton. Thanks to Steve Cerruti. Thanks to Gahau and and you can watch this on Spotify. You might not have even realized that as you were listening to it but you can watch this on Spotify you might not have even realized that as you were listening to it but you can watch on the YouTube channel as well I'm gonna be back with the rewatchables on Monday night to the Michael Douglas movie oh which one falling down no I'm not gonna say it's a Michael Douglas movie that's that's the only hint and then uh back on this podcast on Tuesday great to see you, Sal. See you, buddy.