The Bill Simmons Podcast - Super Bowl LII Winners and Losers With Cousin Sal (Ep. 322)

Episode Date: February 5, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the bad matchups for the Pats (5:00), Doug Pederson's MVP coaching (12:00), the strip sack on Brady (18:00), the Malcolm Butler mystery (24:00), the future of the Pats defense (32:00), Nick Foles's next move (41:00), the Super Bowl odds for next season (52:00), and another edition of "Parent Corner" (1:02:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You'll see my son, Ben Simmons, a couple of times in this video. But basically everybody on staff, we have a bunch of Philly fans on board and not as many Boston fans, which I'm going to rectify. In fact, I'm going to make an announcement. I fired all the Philly fans on our staff today.

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First Pearl Jam. All right. Cousin Sal is here. Against our odds last week, we did a lot of props. Then he did a second round of props. And then we talked about who to wager on. You took the pats? Moneyline?

I did. This podcast should be so much more fun for me. But except that i lost uh many many thousands of dollars between uh oh harry guy weighing himself and uh some fat coach uh having a breakdown in the middle of the game i don't know which fat coach i'd say yours is belichick fat now god he is in my oh my god and i challenge him if he could lose 52 all right we'll we'll talk about the way in uh at the tail end because there's a lot to break down on that one so how you feeling right we'll we'll talk about the way in uh at the tail end because there's a lot to break down on that one so you feel we don't have to talk about this we talk about kylie's birth or something i've never i've never taken a terrible loss better i don't know

whether i'm old or whether we just want a lot of rings or whatever but i was worried about this game all week look at the zit i have on the side of my head oh yeah i don't get zits very often i get a zit right um i think i won money on that you did will i get a zit minus 300 it's just a it was just a bad matchup for us and the thing that we needed was nick falls to not play well and he was magnificent i actually one of the many things i disagreed with yesterday, it was deferring the coin toss and having Nick Foles have the ball first. Yeah. I'm going the other way. I want to score and go up 7-0 and then give Nick Foles the ball. I'm like, all right, you're already down 7-0.

They came out. Anyone who's watched Philly all year, it's the most aggressive team in the league. They go for it in every situation. Yeah. And they were clearly not going to be like, oh, they gave us the ball first. Let's hand off. Yeah. We don't want to test Nick yet. Like, of were clearly not going to be like, Oh, they gave us the ball first. Let's hand off. Yeah.

Let's, we don't want to test Nick yet. Like, of course they're going to start throwing. That's the one stat that I figure you and I kind of knew a couple of weeks ago. And then it became popular across the board that the Patriots had not scored in the first quarter.

Yeah. In the Brady Belichick era and era in the super bowl. And you figure, yes, just based on that, forget about giving Nick Foles the ball. You figure they'd want to be like, screw you, we're getting on the board.

Yeah, let's take a lead and put Nick Foles behind the eight ball. And I didn't like any of the coaching yesterday. I thought it was one of the sloppiest first halves they've ever played in a big playoff game. So many mistakes. Special teams was bad. Missed field goals. The decision to put eric row on

alshon jeffrey was a disaster i by the way i probably would have told them that if they'd called me yeah hey bill what do you think we're thinking about putting eric why don't you just put gilmore on him we've spent 50 million dollars on him well it's that's why it's called the two bills and not the three it should have been the three bills. That didn't involve you. But yeah, the fourth down, that was very, not going on fourth and one, but going on fourth and sixth or fourth and five. Very, very strange to me. I felt like we could get five yards on them whenever we wanted.

The first half though, it was a weird game because they were clearly worried about the front four of Philly. So first half, it seemed like their goal was just to get to the second half and be close. In first half, they did a lot of weird screens. A lot of the third out calls were these weird reverses, like that weird reverse they ran with Brandon Cooks,

which they've run like three times all year, and little wide receiver screens. And they didn't just say, all right, let's just be the Patriots. Then second half, they decided to be the Patriots. They scored every single time. Well, I hate to kill Brandon Cooks because he ended up not playing the rest of the game. Because he almost got killed?

Because he almost got killed. Someone else almost did it for me. But that third and one play. Why? He tried to hurdle the guy? Oh, my God. That's the one thing. You're leaving your feet.

You're giving them all your momentum back. That's the one thing. Seems like he could have beaten the corner. Fastest guy in the league. Just do a juke move. And then they try the field goal there and they back. That's the one thing. Seems like he could have beaten the corner. He could have been in the league, just do a juke move, and then they try the field goal there, and they miss. It was perplexing. Peterson would not have tried the field goal there.

No. He would have gone for it. Right. And the Eagles fans wanted us to kick the field goal there. That's always what it is, right? What does the opposing team's fans want you to do? Yeah, they did not want us to go for that. Or miss the field goal, even better.

But, yeah, and especially when you know you're up against a renegade coach like Peterson. You're like, you have to match him, you know, balls for balls here and uh it was just strange to me but i did get the sense that i was like well maybe the pats are playing rope-a-dope that is what they do definitely we're doing it the first half part where they they expose their trick plays the pass to brady like i was like wow right you wouldn't think you'd see that till the third but that's what i mean i think they were doing the trick plays and the weird wide receiver screens and little reverses because in the second half, they were going to be like, all right, second half, we're going conventional.

First half is when their pass rush is going to be going crazy. Let's use all these things to keep them off balance and make sure they're pausing, and then we're going to attack them. The Cooks getting concussed, it's so weird today everybody talking about what happened to malcolm butler that's become the big storyline first of all our front seven didn't touch falls the whole fucking game it's bad the best guy in the front seven was james harrison who did not have a sack who was waived by pittsburgh in mid-december and played the entire game yesterday was the only reliable guy we had

the linebackers were atrocious it was everything we talked about last week we can't cover screen passes we can't cover real routes all credit to falls but it's easier to do it's easier to do when you have four to he might have had two plays where he had a little pressure and he just kind of moved out so you know yeah if butler was out there maybe he makes a couple of those arm tackles or whatever but i also you know watching the pitchers last couple years he also gave up a bunch of big plays too like i'm sure he would have given up a couple that's not why they lost they lost because they had no pass rush and because they had a one point lead with 10 minutes left right with nick falls and Foles and the other team. Just get a stop.

The game's over. They couldn't stop us. Right. Couldn't get a stop. Couldn't get one. Which makes me think. Get a stop on third down. They go for it on fourth down.

They get it. But you text me. You're like, I told you that defense was bad. No, I'm sorry. I was like, I told you our defense was bad. But they, but why didn't the Steelers have 600 yards against you? Like you've played better offenses before. And like, I guess they should have scored in the thirties, the Steelers, if yards against you? You've played better offenses before. I guess they should have scored in the 30s, the Steelers,

if you count the Jesse James stuff. But it just seems like as bad as it was, you always made big plays. You always would come up with a big play. On defense. Right, defensively. We kind of did, though. With six minutes left. Well, two times in a row, we stopped them on third.

Right. And they were what row we stopped them on third right and that was and they were what 10 for 16 play when he had the eight yard loss that led to the field goal instead of them scoring right and then the next time was six minutes left and i actually stupid me i'm watching it going i'm high-fiving my son and my nephew and and we got him we stopped him that's it and and then they in uh what's his face michaels is like they're leaving the offense in the field i was like of course they are and they're gonna fucking get it like i just assumed they're gonna pump but peterson you know he to me he was the mvp of that game they're super aggressive he was they're aggressive in every every chance they even they went for it

on a two point when it was ridiculous to go for it. The second quarter up 15-3, that's a terrible decision. I was watching first half with Tate. Tate said go for two there, and I wasn't against it. Here's why I wasn't against it. I know it's a bad decision, but Blount just scored a touchdown, former Patriot, and now you're going to really put your foot on their throat and go for a two-point conversion. Run a better play.

How about that? Don't run the lob pass to the guy who has somebody dripped all over him. Right. But I thought Peterson did exactly everything he needed to do. And this is what I was saying all last week on every podcast I was on. Jacksonville played not to lose in the second half. But all the same plays that Philly were making yesterday were there for Jacksonville. Yeah.

They were running the ball on us. Play action worked every time. Any wheel route or screen pass worked. Our linebackers were the slowest linebackers we've ever had. Even the last year with Junior Seau, he was faster than some of these guys. 10 for 16 on third down is the huge. And two for two on fourth. So you get 12 for 18 and must convert downs, basically.

And here's some underrated third down conversions they had. First of all, the first one. The first drive. It's third and six or eight. And Alshon Jeffrey basically makes like a helmet catch kind of thing. Yeah. Puts it up against his head. It's like, oh, did you bring it in?

He's like, yeah, okay, brought it in. It's like, that's big. You know, you're punting your first drive. That's huge. The other one is second half. And there are a ton. Well, they're all big, obviously. The second half, Patriots come down and score.

They do their thing. They get the ball. They throw a lot to Rob. That was like the Stewart's drive. Yeah. It was just like the Gronk drive. No, not Gronk. Oh, I call him Robert.

Okay. So Robert's open on the coin and seam. He's open over the middle. They score. They have third down the Eagles. And now if they punt after the Patriots score, now you're playing your game. Who was it?

It was a third down. Who's the guy you have in there instead of Butler? Well, somebody missed the arm tackle. Right. Yeah, that guy. And that was it. That was third and six, and that was big. So people pointed that.

They pointed to another play where a guy in the secondary missed the tackle. But I don't know. We never touch foals. Yeah. The Minnesota had the same issue two weeks ago. They didn't touch him. He got super comfortable.

And I got to be honest, just watching where football is going these days, I don't know why everybody doesn't run that RPO. If you don't have Brady or Aaron Rodgers or people like that. Like Dak. If Dak ran the RPO with Zeke Elliott, I feel like that would be kind of unstoppable. Yeah.

I don't know why they're doing it with their backup quarterback and we can't stop them. But he made great throws is the other thing. Like some of those Jeffrey catches, we had coverage on them. Unbelievable. And that pass to Clement, the touchdown pass to Clement. It was weird. I had some Pats fans in my life saying we got screwed on calls

and others didn't even mention it. I thought those two touchdown calls were fine. Yeah. But I'm also, we talked about this all year. Did you think, so you're talking about Ertz, right? Ertz was definitely a touchdown. He was a runner. But when he had to be a runner.

Clem and I actually thought they might overturn. You did? I was hoping. Yeah. You just don't know what you're looking at anymore. Like, yeah, the ball moved, but God, he really did have possession enough. And if it was my game, I would call it a touchdown. But we've seen all year the ball move.

The Ertz thing, like, I was sure that was a touchdown he became a runner you can't grab the ball at midfield and lunge and like you know yeah obviously at some point I've become a runner but when Sterator came back did you think they were over just just by his cadence and he's like he kind of sighed before he like took a deep breath usually it's like the ruling is upheld it's a touchdown but yeah I would have been big the longer that review on, the more I thought they were overturning. Right. They're looking for something that's not there. But they really screwed up that last drive.

I'm trying to think. The Eagles. We never should have even gotten the ball back. Oh, right. I thought Peterson was incredible that game, but they screwed up the last drive. There was the play like about 220 left when they threw it to Aguilar he ran out of bounds yes yeah which just stay in bounds it's 45 more seconds coming up the crown at the seven the game is over we're talking about that the whole time but but then when they had it i think it was like first down on the 18 it was basically like one more first down you kick a

field goal we don't ever touch the ball again we got the ball back with 221 so that's a weird thing five another one peterson 99 right but when it's when the when the opposing coach calls a timeout with 203 left that next play should be a pass yes you're going to get the two-minute warning it stops anyway it was another second down play should have been a pass for foals but they still won yeah i'm just saying that's just a weird thing that bothers me but that was my problem with the entire game like wow this is great it's back and forth everyone could score this this should be way more exciting than it is except for the fact that you know you only have to watch the last two and a half minutes of this because the patriots are gonna have it that game was exciting who's stupid enough to leave the ball i'm sure

if a patriot you're probably dying the whole time but who's stupid enough to leave the ball? I'm sure if a Patriots fan, you were probably dying the whole time. But who's stupid enough to leave the opposing team with the ball with too much time left? And Brady had, what, 212? No, 221. 221. That's like a whole quarter for any other team. Pass to somebody gets out of bounds. Yeah.

Second down. It was a white guy. It was either Gronk or Amador. Wide open on the right side when the ball got stripped. But I think that would have been another 12 yards. If that comes out, split second, now we're in the 40. I'll tell you this. I really thought we were going to score.

Yeah. My reaction watching it, having watched Brady's entire career and seen that team in so many situations like that, I was like, we're scoring right now. I was actually shocked by the strip. I'm still thinking the Hail Mary is going to be overturned. They're still going to look at that. I can't believe you lost.

That was my big officiating gripe from the game yesterday. Listen, it's impossible to catch a Hail Mary, but they're running down the field. And like about 20 yards down the field, one of the Eagles guys just does like a Randy Orton RKO on Chris Hogan and knocks him out of the play. RPOs and RKOs. That's what the team's about.

And they didn't call it. It's like, at some point, you have to enforce some rule on the Hail Mary play. Like, you shouldn't be allowed, which, by the way, smart play by the Eagles

because if they call that, it's a five-yard penalty. They just replay. With the ball not in the area? The ball was not in the area. Yeah, right, right. You just keep giving them a chance. Here's the thing, though. We we're up one 10 minutes left we get a stop the game's over because that

we were doing whatever we wanted at that point and the whole season this crappy patriots defense we don't have edelman the whole year we don't have cooks for the last three quarters of the game we're down north number three and number four wide receivers and dorset who i think they threw you 10 times and grock who had a concussion two weeks ago and the game was somehow right there the football's so strange the falcons in round two had four plays inside the, what, the five-yard line? Whoa, who's that? Four plays inside the five-yard line? Yeah. They catch any of those, and the Eagles are out in round two.

And we're like, oh, man, too bad they didn't have Wentz. Every year we look at this. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And you learn something different. There's a new, a strange thing every year. It's like, I will never understand how a team didn't punt and lost the Super Bowl. How understand how a team didn't punt and lost the super bowl how about this they didn't punt our quarterback threw 505 yards and three touchdowns and no picks

how much would you have bet on the patriots 505 yards did whatever he wanted the whole game right was this a game where he was like maybe we can't win but i'm gonna pass i'm gonna get i'm gonna break some records well think of the pass before the first half ended. We just kept getting the ball back. Why did you have to pass? What was that pass? Which one? Was it Amendola? It was like a 25-yard pass that we're in no way going to score on. Lots of padding of the stats.

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Go to meandys.com right now. Yesterday was my son's first bad sports loss. Oh, was it? Started liking the Pats a couple years ago. Was really fired up. Watched every play. Fighting off tears at the end. Really?

Yeah, it was good to see. 10's a tough age. Nine and 10 are really tough sports last ages, but really thought with 221 left that we were winning that game. I went back and forth. I was like, God, this kind of feels like, it feels like every Pats game,

but it also feels like maybe their luck had run out. What does this do to your legacy? Anything? Nothing. Nothing at all. So here's where I get sappy about the Pats for 60 seconds. Isn't that everything you want from the

champs yesterday? They were done five times in that game. They scored touchdowns, down double digits, three straight possessions. Even at the end, they screw up that terrible kick reverse thing. They get the ball on the 8 yard line no timeouts left

65 seconds left they complete a 4th and 10 they get to midfield they get a chance for a Hail Mary they are like a horror movie villain you have to cut their head off to kill them and you look at all the games this decade they lose Super Bowl this year

they win last year they they lose super bowl this year they win last year denver they lose 2018 even that game they're fighting to the bitter end brady's got a concussion year before they win the super bowl like they're you always have to cut their heads off to kill them right and uh and you know america hates the patriots i get it whose play is more excited super bowls than new england patriots no nobody every year we're in the super bowl we entertain you motherfuckers I get it. Whose play is more exciting Super Bowls than New England Patriots? No, nobody. Every year we're in the Super Bowl. We entertain you motherfuckers for four hours. Yeah.

You're like Justin Timberlake. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're better than Justin Timberlake was yesterday. Listen, I agree with you, but let's start some controversy here. Could Bill, you guys, you had Frances on Friday. Yeah. You discussed it.

Part of it, one of the things you brought up was interesting different dynasties and could bill do it without tom and i think you did francesa brought this up right before he told you to uh to bet patrick chung for mvp which was interesting but i bet on to get a concussion that was a different bet can he do it? That's the only thing I take from this game. I don't think he could have done it without Brady. I think Brady could have done this without Belichick. Yeah.

This, this game helped the Brady mantra the most, the Brady over Belichick thing. Brady was spectacular. It's unbelievable. Age 40. Belichick. So we should talk about the Malcolm Butler quickly

because I have a theory. Go ahead. Everyone's completely overrated it. They've gone nuts, the whole thing. Here's what I think happened. And he wasn't that good this year. I would say C plus, B minus. I think they decided they were going to start the game

with Rowe on Jeffrey and that they were going to bench Butler, but not for the whole game. I think they decided they were going to start the game with Roe on Jeffrey and that they were going to bench Butler, but not for the whole game. I think they told him this, and I think he reacted like a big baby. Right. And Belichick's like, fuck this guy. Yeah. How about this?

You won't play. I think that's what happened. I don't think any of them will ever admit that, but that's the only thing that makes sense. Sounds about right. Because there were two D-backs that were out there who are not even close to him as, as players. Even if he's a B minus C plus the guys that they had out there,

D plus D minus. Yeah. And it's not like Butler's never played the nickel before. It's not you. Well, he doesn't know how to play. Like that's bullshit. So I think what happened by all accounts,

they said, um, they kind of found out that decision was happening before the game and i think he reacted badly and by the way he was crying in the national anthem sure and he's a guy that you know pink had the flu i mean she she fought adversity and she did you bet taking out her gum at half the ed before the she sang i didn't do that but i think they you know they they've really been tough on him this year. He had this big contract he thought he was getting. They didn't get it to him.

They thought they were going to trade him. They didn't. He kind of stuck around. He was playing for our new deal. He didn't have a great season. And then they benched him for the Super Bowl. And I think he must have reacted badly. Maybe.

I think Belichick, as hard-ass as he is, he's going to have to live with that a little bit. 10 for 16 on third down. He might make one of those plays. I agree. I would be more concerned about living with how my front seven didn't touch the quarterback the whole game. Just make Nick Foles

make one drop of sweat come down his forehead. Listen, I told you this two weeks ago. I thought the Jags should have beaten the Pats. I think they left it on the table. I thought Atlanta left it on the table a And I thought Atlanta left it on the table a year ago and Seattle should have, you know,

if they just take care of business in the last minute, they win that Super Bowl and you need luck with this stuff. It really was. Like you could make a team. So you're five and three. Five and three seems right. Could be three and five, could be seven and one. Six and two.

I will say this. This is, yesterday's Super Bowl was the first time that I felt like they got beat. Yeah. I was fine with it. The two Giants Super Bowls, like I'm still mad about. The Eagles were the better team. You thought the Patriots were better. I think the Eagles were a better team.

Okay. And I think the only reason that game was close is because Brady's unbelievable. I think to do that without your top two receivers is crazy. Throws for 505 without your top two receivers is crazy. Throws for 5.05 without his top two receivers. And just was incredible. But what's better then? What's better about the Eagles then? Like, they're the champs.

They were the better team. But let's break it down. Like, so I was wrong about a ton of things yesterday. But I did say on my Ringer video the Patriots would score 33 points. I got that exactly right. Nice. Unfortunately, I said the Eagles would score 33 points i got that exactly right nice fortunately i said the the eagles would score 20 so that was wrong but here's a defense their defense it's kind of just what i thought it's like just what the giants did to them the patriots did that they exposed that

all the underneath routes and everything and you know yeah they they hit the quarterback but they have trouble sacking the quarterback and no one one's better than Brady than avoiding the sack, being niftier than that. And I don't know. What did they give up? 600 yards? Here's how they were better. Special teams, they crushed us. And special teams have been a huge part of the Belichick era the whole time.

We got destroyed on special teams. You're just missing. Missed a field goal. Missed an extra point. The kickoffs, they were getting every kickoff between the 25 and the 30. Our kickoffs were going

to like the 19. The stupid reverse at the end that cost us 12 yards. They looked crisper than we did on special teams. Defense, neither side was great. They both took the day off.

But they made the play. They had to make one play and they got the strip sack. Right. We didn't make a single play that whole game. Well, you made the one play. That Jeffrey threw us an interception. Well, that would have been it. That would have been.

That barely counts. It would have been 22 to six. He should have caught it. He should have caught it. Well, but his arm was pinned in his defense. Right. His left arm was almost cut off. But if he catches that, we're down two touchdowns.

Right. It's 22-6 at that point. So they were better at that. And I thought they coached better than Belichick and Patricia. Definitely coached better. I thought going for it, I thought we should have been more aggressive, especially in the first half, especially inside the 10. You know, they did something really smart.

The fourth down and one play. Because I was like, that was another one. We're like, yeah, we stopped them. Oh, shit, they're going for it. And they came off the field. They called the timeout, came back on the field. Yeah, it was like, oh, they're going to try to get us to jump. And then coming back, you still thought they might just try to take the clock down.

But that was smart for nine different reasons. One was that it worked. But if they don't get it we're still on the one yard line and the and the half's over right if they kick a field goal they're kicking off to us with like a minute and a half left or something right it was like a bit because we didn't call one of the weird one of the weird little coaching mistakes belichick made was they got the first down. There was like a minute 35 left. They don't call timeout.

Don't call timeout. It's 50 seconds right off the clock. Hanch was going crazy. Oh, that was terrible. But if they kick field goal, we still get it back with like 45 left to get it to 25. Brady can get a field goal out of that. It would have just been plus zero. Yeah.

But instead they went for it. I thought it was smart. It was a great play. Their trick play was better than our trick play. Danny Amendola, I love the guy. He hit both of the props that we recommended on your pod this week. That pass sucked. The pass to Brady?

Yeah, just put it up in the air a little bit. He was wide open by 100 yards. Tate, he's calling him Danny Amendola. Things are bad now you could tell two names you're using the amandola how bad was that pass it was a bad pass i thought brady was gonna catch it though i thought it was i was shocked he jumped a little early yeah he actually he did jump a little if he just waited and and done like the uh the the baby falling out of the burning tree catch versus the put your hands over your head catch isn't that the welker

catch the drop that it kind of another bad pass i mean that was kind of it but what's weird is so what resurfaced this week was the video of brady's combine where he's running the 40 and just like kind of like gingerly like going after his uh his kid in the in the parking lot who might have gotten away like they didn't even say that's and it was reminiscent of that like it didn't look like he was sprinting. Brady's two worst plays were. And that was a touchdown, too. Not waiting for him to catch that.

He would have gotten caught for being. You think so? Yeah. Oh, my God. So much daylight. Like, 20 seconds left in the first half. Yeah. They're near midfield,

and they have a chance to get a field goal. Brady scrambles out to the left, and instead of just getting rid of it, decides to scramble and just gets tackled. He thought he could get out of bounds. It's like, you're 40 years old. You're going to get tackled. Those were, I thought, his two biggest mistakes. It's so hard to kill

Brady today. Well, that's what I mean. Literally, those were his two mistakes that I remember. All the offense was there. All the offense for both teams. Well, I don't know what the Pats do going forward on the defense. And I was talking to a friend. I can't remember who I was talking about this this weekend. Maybe it was you.

About how these NFL teams have these little five-year runs. Yeah. And the Patriots, it's like a dynasty. It's 18 years. But it's really like three different five- to six-year runs. And then Patriots, it's like a dynasty. It's 18 years, but it's really like three different five to six year runs. And then your team changes. I think they're at the end of whatever five year run this was. And they're going to have to really figure out what kind of team they want now.

Because Brady's going to play at least a couple more years. Do you really think a couple more? I was just going to ask you. You don't think one more? I watched Tom versus time over the weekend i couldn't resist i watched it with my wife actually it's fast it's like four 15 minute uh is it videos was way better than i thought it was gonna be it was really good yeah uh it's very well done and i realized as i was watching it like i know nothing about brady i've been following

this guy for 18 years he went out with him in 2007 and his friends in Miami. And I still know nothing. You see his house. You see his kids. You see just like his training regimen and all the different things he does to get ready. You see him in his office, like just going in his office and just watching plays. He has this computer and he's just like watching, just scouting constantly. And you watch four episodes of this show,

like this guy's not going away. Like he's, all he cares about is football. Right. So, you know, he looked great yesterday and I don't see, until he gets hurt,

I don't see any path toward him not playing. And I think he took a lot of crap for the kiss with the sun. Like, you know, like. By the way, that was episode three. When you watch it live, it's playing. I think he took a lot of crap for the kiss with the son. By the way, that was episode three. When you watch it live, it's nothing.

I know. Me and my four-year-old, we go at it for hours making out. It shouldn't be a big deal. Gave him a peck. You know what was terrible last night? Bridget Moynihan with the Eagles tweet. Oh, what did she do? Oh, did she? Yeah, she tweeted something about Nick Foles

and then did like a hashtag Eagles or something. Oh, man. Settle down, Bridget Moynihan. Uh-oh. Come on. Someone said that was the worst drop since Bridget Moynihan when he went for the pass. I forgot.

Oh. I know. What are you going to do? Giselle is a big winner of this Tom versus time thing. Yeah. It's probably carefully edited to cut out all the times where she was like, you're ignoring your family! And she just comes off as the super supportive wife.

Right. I'm out to watch it. Can we talk about what it was like at the Corolla party? Yeah, let's do it. How many Patriot fans there? I'm telling you, everyone had money on the Patriots, except Carolla had $100 on the Eagles. Well, look, we've learned our lesson.

And now we've learned another lesson. Well, we should talk about all the years you and I have known each other. We've known each other for every Pat's Super Bowl except the first one. Yeah. And I always have some sort of Pat's Super Bowl bet going. Right. This is the first time I ever hedged. You hedged.

We had the pass to win the Super Bowl at minus 115. You took the points. I thought it was a pussy move. And I said, look, the offseason is very long. It's 31 weeks. It's even longer when you bet against the Patriots and lose. It really is. It's the first time I've ever hedged.

Yeah. I just wanted to get out because I knew in my heart that this was a terrible matchup for them. I did text you yesterday. I bet on the Pats win by one to three points plus 650. Right. So they're up one with 10 minutes left. I'm doing the math.

I'm like, wow, this is great. Nailed it. This will be, I just want them to win. But wow, if they win by one, that'll be hilarious. That's pretty good. So everyone has the pats at Corolla's. Yeah, people, right? Tate was there for the first half.

People were mostly rooting for the Patriots. Brad was rooting against them, of course, but he was in another room spinning around eating, and that was it. Oh, MVP, I think, went to Hench, who dressed his daughter as a Girl Scout. I don't even know if she's in the Girl Scouts. She came to the Super Bowl party to sell cookies. No.

Yeah. Stop. I was like, I don't know about this, Hench. She's going to be competing. You know, we're selling squares for the pool and everything. Well, luckily, my fat friend Harry won $5,200 and spent like $200 on Thin Mints. So that was, I'm not even kidding. He bought a stack of boxes.

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Oh, yeah. And attacked our friend Daniel for seven minutes. Just attacked him. And Daniel didn't hear it, but now he's going to hear this. Just attacked him. What did he say? Some people have a gambling problem, and for other people, everything is a negotiation or whatever he said.

Basically, Daniel needs money on everything at all time. And he was saying how every year at the party, there's $20 Superbowl squares that are just too pricey for just about everybody there. Well, it's like, is there $2,000 in this room that we're going to collect? Like,

no, there's not, there's not even a thousand, but there's like 600. And then Jimmy buys the rest of the squares and wins for somebody. But Dana's like, I can't wait to go $20. It's simple. Come on.

Do it. It's like having a blinking contest against a guy with no eyelids. Yeah, that's gross. I was dying. I was actually listening to it on the highway and I almost crashed because I was laughing so hard. Just attacking him. Yeah, we know a lot of characters.

So did you do the squares? We did the $10 squares. Because 9-3 was a weird one. That couldn't have happened before. 9-9's everywhere. 2-2 was in play for a while. It was strange. Some of the props... I have some long shots here.

The big props we recommended was my best bet on your podcast was Brady over 25 and a half. We somehow bumped that line too. It ended at 27 and a half. I'm going to take credit. I don't care. It was 25 and a half. We did a pot. It went up too.

I felt bad for you. And it covered by half. It went up. And then as soon as it went up, you saw, you're like, oh, there's no value in this. And you're like, that's a stay away. It's a stay away. And he threw 28. Ah, 28.

It was that kind of day for me. Amendola, eight for 155. Both of those hit. All the overs. Kyrie versus the Pats was a no bet because he didn't play. Oh, right. He didn't play. Okay.

I think Ajayi went over. I think basically every bet we gave went over, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, look. I think we won almost all of them. 700 points scored. All the overs.

Except for Dwayne freaking Allen. Why didn't you tell me that guy? He's trash. Didn't even see the field. Oh, you lost Gary Russell. Oh, I lost my Gary Russell problem. Did he not play? I didn't see him at all.

Over half the yard. I actually thought when Cooks went out, I actually thought for sure Allen was going to come. The problem was we weren't really in third and one or goal line or any of that stuff because we were just scoring all the time. Right, I know. Yeah, it was no problem. Pats to convert a fourth down was my big one I liked,

and that happened, although that should have happened like four times. Eagles by eight, exactly. Our friend Donnick had it. 50 to one odds by eight exactly. He bet Eagles by eight exactly? Yeah, well, he had like three, five, seven. He had a few of them, but 50 to one odds is nice. Jeffrey for first touchdown.

You can get it anywhere between eight and 12 to one. One thing I did say, that Foles for MVP was a better bet than Eagles to win. You got like plus 325 for that. And Yellow Gatorade, 9-4. We should mention that. At the Munder. For the 10th straight year,

you and I gave out our favorite props without having bet on them first. Yeah, right. We're not going to do that again. Timberlake Prince was plus 200. To cover a Prince song it was it was one of the locks

of the Super Bowl and the line was way off we discussed it on the podcast right and then somehow didn't bet it and then it came off the board

once WordGate came out that by the way that that wasn't a hologram just for just so everybody knows no I guess it was on a screen it was on a giant screen

and they were just kind of singing together not a hologram was not a hologram strange but on a giant screen, and they were just kind of singing together. Not a hologram. It was not a hologram. Strange. But wait, what was the one we said, what song did he do? He sang I Would Die For You. I Would Die For You opened at 50 to 1, went down to 4 to 1.

There was a lot of suspicious action on I Would Die For You. We were saying we thought it was going to be Let's Go Crazy. I Would Die For You is a slow song. It's a risky song to do Super Bowl. Yeah. Also, not the greatest kind of. Yeah, I know. Having dying in your.

I was excited that he played that song about Britney Spears. Yeah. I thought a good omen for the Pats. That was good. That was good. Cry Me A River. I was like, because I had written about it in my mailbag. Like, if he plays Cry Me A River, that's going to be the Pats. That was good. Cry Me a River. I was like, because I had written about it in my mailbag. Like, if the place

Cry Me a River, that's going to be the Pats theme song. Oh, interesting. I don't know what ended up being the Justin Timberlake song that described the Super Bowl. I was thinking maybe Marist

because didn't he play Marist? Did he play Marist, Tate? What's the one from last year? I didn't even get to watch when I was driving. You didn't miss much, Tate. What's the one from last year? The one he did for the Oscars.

Can't Stop the Feeling? Yeah, Can't Stop the Feeling. Yeah, I guess the Oscars. Can't stop the feeling? Yeah, can't stop the feeling. Yeah, I guess that's it. Can't stop the Foles-ing? Can't stop the Foles-ing. Can't stop the freaking third downs. Can we put out the Nick Foles? Nick Foles out-dueled Tom Brady

in the fourth quarter. What happens when Nick Foles? What happens? Down one, Nick Foles gets points, and then Brady gets strip-sacked. That happened. I'm going to come to grips with this like five days from now. I'm just going to start screaming.

Like, what the fuck just happened, Nick Foles? Could he be your backup? Would you like him as a backup? Nick Foles should start. I mean, he clearly showed yesterday. Start him, run the RPO offense with him. The Eagles don't trade him, though, right? He has one more year on his deal.

He basically has a two-year, $11 million deal. Well, you can trade him next year. They could trade him. Well, they could trade him this year on his deal. He basically has a two-year, $11 million deal. You can trade him next year. They could trade him. They could trade him this year if they wanted. This is the last year they could trade him, but you have to keep him because you don't know when Wentz is coming back. You trade him in mid-October. But Wentz is starting.

Wentz is going to start. Yeah, I would hope so. It is pretty interesting, though. Does this hurt Cousins a little bit? Does he get a little less now that there's a Nick Foles potentially to sign? I don't know. So I have a lot of Philly fans in my life and I was very diplomatic last night. I was actually happy for a few of them, not all of them,

but I'm very carefully monitoring how they handle the Superbowl win because there's a couple of ways to go at these Philly fans if they get a little too big for their britches. One of them is to just go all in on. You've got to trade Wentz now. You have a Super Bowl MVP. How do you not trade Wentz? This is crazy and start a QB controversy.

The other one, obviously, is the Markel Fultz card, which I just have in my back pocket. So just all the Philly fans, just be careful. Congratulations. Unbelievable Super Bowl, butilly fans, just be careful. Congratulations. Unbelievable Super Bowl, but don't stick your chest out too far. You can't beat the NFC East. Huh? You can't beat the NFC East.

That's it. This is bad for the Cowboys. I know. This team's going to be good for a long time. Are you the last team that hasn't won the Super Bowl in the NFC East? I think we were the last one seed to not make the Super Bowl in the last five years. You should do that RPO offense with Dak Prescott.

I'm going to look into it. I don't know how you stop it. I was watching the game going, what do we do? Do we put like eight? If you put more defensive backs in, they just run. Yeah. You know, conversely, the Pats ran play action every play. And it's like they would go like 10 plays without handing off

it's like who is this play action fooling the linebacker is really biting on this but I guess it did fool people he had 505 yards Tom versus time Super Bowl odds next year Tom versus time that's it those are all the stories you have we gotta talk about the Harry thing

no I thought we'd do that at the end. All right. Let's do Super Bowl hats. Well, your Pats are favored. Five to one. Whether Belichick's back or not, you think he is. What if the Browns offered number one and number four for Wentz and then like a second rounder next year?

Wow. What would the Eagles do? Eagles say no to that, right, Tate? Yeah. What if they offered one and four in their first next year? It sounds like they're not going to do anything with Wentz. They're already set in stone. But the problem is if Wentz comes back and is not good,

then you just traded away a Super Bowl MVP. The Eagles will have to have known that there's permanent damage to that knee. What if you have the Super Bowl champ and you add the first, fourth, and next year's first rounder to that whole nucleus? As an NFC fan, you'd be frightened by that scenario, right? Oh, yeah, I'd be scared. What would you be more scared of them doing?

Keeping Wentz or just trading him for a boatload? Yeah, I'm more worried about Foles' trade value now. I feel like someone may trade a first for Foles. Yeah, if you trade for Foles, though, you have to run that exact offense. You can't. It's stupid. And you need a good offensive line. Yeah.

You need a good offensive line. Yeah, all the parts have to be there. I'll tell you what Tate's afraid of. Tate's afraid of ever being next to Carolla on a missed extra point. Again, where the ball may or may not have gone over the goalpost. I didn't even think of that. It's the 20 minutes of his life. Oh, God.

Oh, yeah. Why doesn't he just have a jukebox now with his rants that he just presses B7? He basically does. When Tate left, he was like, I got to go. His head was spinning off like Ralph Krambe. Was Tate the first fresh face he had done that rant for? I think he was. Say, ah, who are you? Hey, goalpost.

Don't go anywhere. B7. I didn't know he was talking to me, but then he just looks over and he goes, we should raise the post, right? And I was like, yeah, I guess so. And then I realized he'd been talking to me the whole time. They already raised the freaking post.

You didn't know because his eyes were rolling back and his head was still there. They raised the post, what, five years ago, four years ago? They raised it. I thought this argument was dead. We'd never hear about it again. But because that kid- The two replays that I didn't get one of was that one

and the one when Amendola got stripped, but they said the play was whistled dead. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought the Eagles were going to challenge that. It seemed like he lost the ball before they whistled it. But you can't challenge a whistle, right? I mean, you can, but they'll never- But he lost the ball before they whistled it but you yeah but you can't challenge it was right i mean you can but he lost the ball and then they blew the whistle so i was like oh my god that's a fumble they're gonna challenge that and then that game just kind of kept going yeah the other thing what was i gonna say the other thing at the

party um i'm surprised kimmo was there jimmy was there he's the oscars yeah i know well he had four weeks he had to oversee the weight challenge. We could talk about this now. Yeah, let's talk about it now. So I bet my friend Harry, who loves to eat, I bet him back in May, $5,200 I would give him if he could lose 52 pounds by Super Bowl 52. If he didn't, he would wear a sandwich board

on Hollywood Boulevard that read, I'm Harry, Harry Hippo, the fat loser who couldn't lose fat. He would sing Daughtry tunes for an hour up and down. I think this is the most money ever bet on any podcast. You think it was? A $5,200. I can't imagine a podcast ever had more at stake. So the ringer covered it. And on my podcast, Against All Odds, he was weighing in and he was telling us what he was. And on Thursday, he had to be down to 194.8. On Thursday, he was like 200, 201. I was like, great. He's got three days. Then he goes and does an enema.

Well, we talked on your podcast. We even looked up how much weight you lost on an enema. Or no, on a colonic. Yeah. And the guesses range from two pounds to nine pounds. So that made it left us more confused. This cleanse combined with the enema, not to get gross, but we're already there, somehow produced a weight loss of like 11 pounds in two days.

The best part was he gave himself the enema, which I didn't even know that was conceivable. Yeah, right. I feel like I won because he gave himself an enema. Well, I know that self-enema is the single worst porn search you can do so and then throw harry in the mix harry harry self enema so you if you're porn searching that that's the all-time low you've hit so he weighs himself he's wearing what go to ringer what was at the round the ringer uh ringer twitter feed that ringer you can find it weird but it's pretty good carola's involved jimmy kimmel it actually was the most underrated entertainment option yesterday kimmel and carola's the announcers yeah jimmy's hosted the

oscars in a month he's doing the harry way challenge maybe he's not maybe he's not after the loss the gig after this harry weighs in he's got these grandpa underwear from uh jimmy pointed out like world war ii his red underwear he weighs in your son was getting uncomfortably close to him i was scared for everybody. I wanted to keep Jack at arm's distance. Harry in his underwear, your 10-year-old son. I don't know. I was nervous.

It was a little touch and go for a while. Harry weighs in. He makes it by like three pounds. And before the kickoff even, I lose $5,200. And to make matters worse, I'm driving here today. I have an hour-long drive. I happen to put the scale on the back of the car. The scale, every turn I make, the scale is banging

against the side. A constant reminder for an hour that I lost this money. I can't just block it out. I think you should have claimed that the scale was off. Was rigged? Well, just at the scale, you should have weighed a whole bunch of other people who had already been weighed. I had a 15 pound weight there and I did calibrate it, but I didn't want to say anything.

So I guess the lesson is don't bet $5,200 on a weight, maybe $500. Right. How low would you have had to gone with a number where he still would have taken it that seriously? Like $2,500, does he give himself an enema? Yeah, I think so. Just to win.

Yeah. This is a guy who, I told you, he has like a 30, a parlay and it'll pay $45 and he'll be watching a Korean tennis tournament at four in the morning. Was this the highlight of his life?

It had to be. Definitely had to be. So the two people who had the highlights of their life last night were Nick Foles and Harry. Yeah. Harry, Nick the dick

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Eagles 8-1. Packers 3rd, 10-1. Steelers also 10. Vikings. What do you think the Eagles were a year ago? Had to have been like 30-1, right? Something like that. I think it was 55-1.

55-1? Yeah, I saw 50 somewhere. Pretty good. So what are the lessons we can learn from that? Well, wait, real quick. But the Rams 20. I think there's some value in some of these. 49ers, Jimmy G, you love them, 25.

What pick do they have? Like 7? Yeah, they're like 6 or 7. And they have cap space too, right? 25 to 1 is nice. How about the Jags at 27-1? If Cousins ends up on the Jags or the Broncos at 49. No, but I think the Jags got screwed by this Bortles thing.

They just have to keep him. What did Lombardi say about that, Tate? If he's hurt on March 1st, they have to keep? If he doesn't pass his physical, then they have to pick up his option. So he'll be there for 19-1. But he has like a screwed up wrist. Yeah, I mean, he's not going to pass it. So up his option. So he'll be there for 19. But he has like a screwed up wrist. Yeah. I mean, he's not going to pass it.

So he has to be. He'll be there for 19. Yeah, I don't think they can get cousins. This weird Bortles wrist injury could decide the FC. This is the heist part two, I think. Yeah. Chiefs. I think the Chiefs are in the mix.

Even though Andy Reid's their coach. Because that Alex Smith trade. Mahomes can just basically replicate Alex Smith. They got a good corner. they got an extra pick. I think their team's pretty talented anyway. Right. I'm trying to think long shots that fit that Eagles blueprint. Well, the Saints are fun at 20.

The Texans are 20 to 1. That's always good. That's a little low. Falcons 20, Rams 20. You know, what are the Colts? I'll have to look that one up. 20 Rams, 20. You know, what are the Colts? Uh, I'll have to look that one up. Cause,

uh, they have like a top, they have like the fourth pick or the third pick. Did they have the third pick? They got luck coming back and they're going to have McDaniels who, by the way, one of the winners yesterday that if you're doing a winners and losers is McDaniels. Yeah.

You put up over 600 yards on the Eagles. Yeah. No kidding. Kind of destroyed them with Brady. 35 to 1, Colter. Man, even that's low. They just don't want you to win these. No.

No, nobody can win. No more winners. Very sad. It's over now. Do we have a parent corner? We do, but let's talk about against our odds. Oh, let's do it. What's the plan?

We have Winter Olympics start Thursday. I can only guess. Harry has some thoughts. Harry's got thoughts. If he's not passed out from overdosing on Sonic milkshakes. I'm actually kind of bummed about the hockey. It's just been... That was my favorite part of the Winter Olympics,

having all the NHL players there, and it's been kind of demolished. Well, we could bet over U.S. medals. That's always fun. It's patriotic. Every four years, I care 10% less about the Winter Olympics, and now I'm at minus 25%. Minus 25%.

I'm below zero. But Denmark's 28-1 To win curling Can we bet on the curling? I'll talk myself into it You have basketball, you have college basketball You have golf We'll have golf, the Masters coming up We have college basketball

Is going to be big The World Cup The World Cup's going to be big. There's a lot of stuff going on. Tate, did the right team win the Super Bowl? This season. Just add everybody. Were the Eagles the best team?

Yeah, I think so. I think they also told us that all year, right? Yeah. We kind of dismissed them the entire season, and then they came back and made us all look stupid. I have a question for Tate. I think, oh, yeah. Are we sure the Patriots were ever good you guys suck well think about it though we

played in the last three and a half months the steelers which if jesse james holds on the ball we lose i know the jaguars should have beaten us and the e beat us. Those were the three biggest games they played. They did not decisively lay the smack down with anybody. I think the team that's got to be kicking themselves is Atlanta. Atlanta, right. Actually, the Jaguars, too. I don't think the Jaguars wouldn't have beaten Philly. I don't think.

I don't think so. They're not going to be able to put up 30 plus points against Philly. Right. But Atlanta should have beaten Philly. Had the game. It was a coaching malpractice the entire game.

Right. Eagles only scored 15 points. They were not comfortable at all with Foles yet like they were in subsequent weeks. And if Atlanta wins that game, the next round they're going

inside to play Minnesota, which I think they could have beaten them. And then they would have had a rematch against the pats with all the same receivers wide open the whole game will we ever see a rags to riches in four weeks story like nick foals like we did like we did with nick foals sports movie let's not forget christmas day night the raiders defense made him look like dog shit like really they couldn't get a first down they couldn't move it he's checking down everything and a week later

New Year's Eve day against the Cowboys they were trying to score didn't play the whole game but my Cowboys shut him out yeah that was the highlight of your season that's it the clappers coach of the year I think based on that and then Falcons a little better good, good game, managed the game.

They unleashed him in the Minnesota game. Yeah, and it just got better and better and better. I think there's something to remember going forward about when the backup quarterback comes in, you can't judge it by that first week or so. I guess. Because he gets that month of reps. There's got to be something to that.

Every day he's in there with the first string and you know he's just going to be better in day 30 than he is in day two yeah the backup quarterbacks by all counts just don't get a lot of reps against anybody it's a spectacular resort resurgence nonetheless give it up to nick foals what was your favorite gambling moment of the entire NFL season? Oh, it had to be my best bet of the regular season when we both had, I convinced you to take the Titans over the Texans. Texans had whipped them like a month earlier, and the Titans were home, and they're giving like five or something,

and barely, barely, barely scratched enough to get ahead of the game. And they're running out the clock. Oh, Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry. That was great. I'll take that. What about yours? Probably the 10-minute mark yesterday when I thought the Pats were going to win the Super Bowl

and I was going to win all my bets. You had one to three? Yeah, that commercial break was the highlight of my year. I was like, wow, this is great. We're going to win the Super Bowl and I was going to win all my bets. You had one to three. Yeah. That commercial break was the highlight of my year. I was like, wow, this is great. We're going to win the Super Bowl again. We're going to get one stop. I thought at some point during the game, we're going to deflect a pass. Yeah.

Another like false throws it. It bounces off Aguilar's shoulder pads and goes up in the air. I was just waiting for it. Right. Well, I guess you had it with the Jeffrey play. I know, but Foles never threw us one. There was the air. I was just waiting for it. I guess you had it with the Jeffrey play. I know, but Foles never threw us one. I thought there was one more. I know. Brady arguably threw more

near picks than Foles did. He threw three of them that the Eagles could have made an amazing catch on. Some of those that were off to Robert when he tried to throw Robert in the middle of the field. Come on. I thought that was going to be. I wish I could feel worse for you. I don't know what to say. Tate, what does this guy want from us? You have 17 Super Bowl wins. I'm not asking for your sympathy. Okay know what to say Tate what does this guy want from us you have 17 Superbowl wins

I'm not asking for your sympathy okay good that's what I none forthcoming my wife and my daughter came home yesterday and they were like sorry dad

and I was like I'm fine we've won five Superbowls we need to get over this unbelievable I'll never be I'll never be at that stage we won five

we made eight yeah our 40 year old quarterback threw for 505 right it's great we were right in the game with our shitty defense yeah We won five. We made eight. Yeah. Our 40-year-old quarterback threw for 5.05. Right. It's great. We were right in the game with our shitty defense. Yeah.

Last note before we get to parent corner. One of the joys for me next season is going to be when the Lions suck with Matt Patricia. Because I have always been convinced for this entire run that, you know, it's like the old thing. Like if somebody comes from The Daily Show or something with Jon Stewart, like Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. Like you can have people that work underneath him, but it's still Jon Stewart. It's a show.

And with Belichick, it's like, all right, he's the defensive corner. I think McDaniels has a real impact, but like they're going to hire Greg Shiano to be the defensive coordinator. And guess what? He'll be better than Matt Patricia was. I cannot wait to see Matt Patricia on this Detroit Lions thing. He was so frustrating and did so many weird things on defense. Yeah.

And I don't know. Well, you play both those teams. You play the Colts and the Lions next year. Yeah. But Belichick is going to be nice when they play the Lions. You think so? Yeah. The Butler thing.

I can't lose that game. I hope the real story comes out. I hope the story isn't what my theory was. I hope it wasn't what my theory is, that they didn't like his reaction to getting benched. You hope it wasn't? No, that's stupid. Yeah.

Come on. But anything's going to be stupid. What's it going to be? Let's do parent corner. I'll cheer you up. I'll start with mine and take a bore witness to it. My son Archie is 12 years old. I'm looking over my sheets, going over the props, how much I've lost.

I think it's about the second quarter. He comes up to me and Tate. He's like, hey, dad, I know why women like the Eagles. And I don't know what he's talking about. I think he's talking about Carolla's wife and my wife. I'm like, oh, what are you talking about? Why do women like the Eagles? He's like, because they have Fletcher Cox.

His first dirty joke. I was like, oh, my God. All right, that's interesting interesting i don't think you need the word fletcher in there that doesn't do anything for it but wow he's got this big smile with his braces shining and everything i'm like go tell jimmy that joke and uh he tells jimmy jimmy's gonna use it in the oscars yeah the fletcher cox do you remember the first dirty joke you told i don't i really don't i actually do you remember yours good dirty joke you told? I don't. I really don't. I actually do. You remember yours?

Go ahead. It was fourth grade. And the joke was about Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse are getting divorced. It was that joke. You know that joke? No. Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse are getting divorced. And they're having the trial.

And the lawyer's making this whole case. Minnie's crazy. Like she's, you need a settlement. And Mickey calls the lawyers like, I didn't say she was crazy. I said she was fucking goofy. I remember telling that joke in fourth grade to my dad's family.

They were horrified. Really? Yeah, they were horrified. I don't know if I made it up or I heard it at school, but. I love that. I had never heard that. Yeah. Good, good, good.

All right. Or maybe Jimmy will tell that one too. This is on ABC. This is a Disney property. My parent corner, I don't have a great one this week, but my daughter had yet another bar mitzvah on Saturday night and wore a cocktail dress that was probably four inches too short. Oh, no.

And no bra. Probably reason to have a bra at this point. And goes out and she just, and I'm like, are you really not going to wear a bra? We start getting an argument about it. And she's just doing, dad, dad dad and rolling her eyes and and again i saw the future flash in front of me that's a kind of like when you lean over people are going to be able to see your little boobs and she's dead i'm like but i'm just telling you like you're gonna dance like what happens if you drop you know like dad is that a situation where if your wife

isn't on board with you you just have you have no chance right yeah we're i'm basically out of the loot though yeah i'm like malcolm butler i've been benched i'm on the sidelines going i don't understand the true story is gonna come out every possession why bill was benched from the 98 of the zoe possessions i don't understand what's happened uh yeah i'm just out and my wife's going no it's fine it's fine and i'm like i'm not sure it's fine because if you lean over you can maybe see your nipples and she's 12 and a half no no it's fine she won't i'm just i heard him out nipple gate at a bar mitzvah

these bar mitzvahs man yeah just every week unbelievable every week there's stuff going on what do you got the book that's it against all odds uh wednesday we'll go over um i'm gonna go over we'll wrap up this football season we're gonna hit uh some uh what i just said winter olympic props i think i'll have our friend jay cornegay on to see how the books i think the books got beat i saw a lot of like seven figure first of all the eagles and the over was the biggest underdog tease i remember in a long time everybody was taking the ten and a half and then you had this better x there were four million dollar bets on the eagles money line and stuff what was the adjusted line for the eagles taking

it to like what minus three and a half or minus four and a half yeah it was like plus four plus like plus four something 450 I think that was a pretty good one yeah I thought the line was too high I didn't understand it the whole week I said it over and over again everybody thinks I'm reverse jinxing it it's like just look at my history of Pat's Super Bowls usually I pick them to win and cover and this this time I just thought it should have been three yeah I don't understand like if they had moved it to three people would have banged the Pats I picked them to win and cover. And this time, I just thought it should have been three. And I don't understand. If they had moved it to three, people would have banged the Pats.

Maybe. Maybe. But again. I don't know. Four and a half was a mistake. At least bring it down to four. Yeah, but it was a mistake because why? Because you thought the Eagles defense would show up, and it didn't? I don't know.

It's just like four and a half, basically, pats can win one two three or four in the eagles cover yeah i don't know it was just weird no i guess some of the some of the books dropped them to four by the uh they did yeah there was a lot of action all over the place and i think um you know all the when all the over props win like you said amandola the yards and the reception that's a disaster for they get crushed because people are usually more prone to bet the over yes yeah and then the actual over for the game hit big time. Yep. Any tease with anybody in the over won, right?

That's a winner. Oh, no, mid the pats, I guess, didn't win. You don't have the pats, yeah. But I'm telling you, people love the Eagles plus 10.5. It would have been nice if Jake Elliott missed that field goal. God, he was clutch. Rookie. That last one to take it from 5 to 8?

Mm-hmm. If he missed that, we would have had the ball in like the 35. Right. With like 65 seconds left. Right. It's clutch. Just didn't have the little angel on our shoulder. John Hamm, who's in our fantasy league.

Went right after you. He was basically saying it was the Pats-Trump connection. That was why we aren't getting the breaks anymore. Well, Brady won't even go to the White House. What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know either. Because Kraft is a member at Mar-a-Lago.

Is that why? I guess. Hey, you saw Kraft in the luxury suite. He has no idea what's going on anymore. He doesn't care. Yeah. He's like, oh, what? Did we just score?

John Hamm. Come on, John Hamm. Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight. Clint Eastwood. Jay Ajayi and Corey Clement are on the show. I'll get you their autographs. Corey Clement? He was good in that game.

Yeah. Over 100 yards receiving, right? Tate, any last thoughts? Another season of me and Sal in the books. Your third one? It was a lot of fun. Thanks. It's a joyous ride.

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maybe this is it huh we're not picking the hall of fame game the line this is it it's really it good job by you good job by you good ones maybe. This is it, huh? We're not picking the Hall of Fame game, the line? This is it? It's the Hall of Fame game. Who's in it? Good job by you. Good job by you. Good job by you. I feel it's within. On the wayside. I'm a bruised soul.

I never was. And I don't have.