The Bill Simmons Podcast - The 2018 Masters Tournament With Bill's Dad and Jeff Goldblum Reminisces on His Decades-Long Movie Career | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 348)

Episode Date: April 4, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons sits down with his dad live from Augusta to talk about his lifelong dream of going to the Masters (5:11) and other news from the sports world (10:30). Then, Bill sits down with the "Mayor of Hollywood," a.k.a. Jeff Goldblum, to talk Steelers vs. Patriots (37:48), to play the IMDb Game (47:01), and to compare stories from fatherhood (88:31). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today's episode of the Bill Simmons Podcast live from Augusta on the Ringer Podcast Network is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Dad, did you use ZipRecruiter when you were the superintendent of schools in East of Massachusetts? You did. They didn't have it yet. They didn't have it yet. Yeah, you would have though. You would have tried to find some teachers on there.

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I am going on that podcast tomorrow on Thursday, day one, Joe House, Jeff Shackelford, they gave all their Masters picks on Monday. I am going on that podcast tomorrow on Thursday, day one, Masters, to talk about that and some other stuff. We will be rerunning that part on this podcast on Friday morning. And also, I should mention, I went to Callaway. I went to get fitted in clubs in Callaway, dad, near San Diego. Got these clubs. I'm coming back. Yeah, you laugh. I'm coming back. You won't play with me anymore after I broke my five iron that time. You're not a really fun person to play with. Well, I'm sorry. I think I'm older. I'm a little wiser. I'm a little more mature.

You don't believe that. Well, anyway, we went to Callaway got fitted for clubs got these new set of rogue woods that were pretty cool and went on Callaway Live with Harry that is on Callaway if you go to

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Joe House and I went on there yesterday and talked about our favorite master's bets, which we'll do whenever House gets out of the shower. House takes like half hour showers, as you're about to find out. House has been in the shower already for 20 minutes i'm just more we're sharing a bathroom that's what i'm more you're sharing a bathroom oh man that's like sharing a bathroom with the water buffalo um but we have uh we're on against all odds with sal we talked about our favorite master picks and also how uh my agent james baby doll dixon uh offered no help whatsoever

in augusta this week We told that whole story. Very enjoyable. You'll check that out. If you check that out on the Against All Odds podcast, you'll enjoy it. Coming up, we have Jeff Goldblum, an interview I did last week, who is really, really fun to interview. That's coming up later in this podcast. Right now, we're live from Augusta.

We're going to talk Masters and basketball and a couple other things. But first, Pearl Jam. All right, my dad is here. Nephew Kyle just woke up. Kyle, were you just going to sleep until like noon today? We have to go to the Masters. I yelled away at him. I was like, all right, all right.

Where do we start, Dad? I'm hoping Kyle isn't wearing that outfit to the mask. Yeah, hopefully he'll change. So your bucket list. We had on your bucket list was a Red Sox World Series, number one. A Patriots Super Bowl, number two. A Bruins Stanley Cup, number three. And then seeing one more Celtics title. Post-Bird, number four. All of those

things happened, not in that order. The Bruins Stanley Cup, after the first three happened, the Bruins Stanley Cup, we just assumed that was never going to happen. Then somehow that happened. Somehow that happened. And now your bucket list is basically my daughter playing for the World Cup team, my son pitching Major League Baseball, the Celtics winning one more title somehow, and then going to Augusta. So we're crossing this one off. You'd never been to Augusta.

Why'd you want to go to Augusta so badly? You know, every year you and I talk on the phone or text each other during the Masters. It just looks like the most beautiful venue that you could ever imagine for a golf tournament. And yesterday after we took a tour with Jeff Shackelford, I can't believe how much more beautiful. Unbelievably beautiful. Yeah. Unbelievably beautiful. But I will say it's 10, 20, 30 times more difficult each hole when you see them in person than you see them on TV. What did you think looked like the most difficult hole in person? I thought 13 really looked difficult.

It's a par five? Yeah, the par five. Sometimes on TV it looks like if they get it just in the front of the green, that it's not going to roll off. Yeah. But when you see it in person, there's no way it doesn't go. I don't know what, maybe they're cutting it differently. So that's the hole where you hit the long enough drive and you can try to drive the green in two over the water. Exactly. But sometimes either you hit it in the water or you hit it a little short in the green, it'll just roll back and go in the water. Exactly. But sometimes either you hit it in the water or you hit it a little short in the green

and it'll just roll back and go in the water. Right. Although when we took a close look yesterday, it was really fun because we got there late in the day and it wasn't that crowded. There are sandy spots in the water or at the side of the water where you could see the ball rolling down

and maybe you would still have a shot yeah and we saw a couple of players including kuchar looking at where those sandy spots were i mean when they do their practice round i mean they're out there carefully looking at spots to land the ball or spots where maybe they won't get in as much trouble if the ball does land there. What was the best looking hole? 12. By far, 12. 12 in person is a thousand times more beautiful than you think when you see it on TV. Is there a reason?

Just the flowers? The flowers, the background. And I guess, not I guess, Shackleford was saying some years the flowers are not quite in bloom or they've had a lot of rain and hot sun and it started to fade. I guess this is perfect right now. Yeah. And the background on 12 and just the vista of hitting into that green. It was just gorgeous. i made you buy new sneakers fortunately you made me buy new sneakers they're very comfortable i don't know that i would have

survived without them yesterday yeah you you last like 20 years or so you've just been brown loafers no matter what the situation is and i was like you have to actually wear sneakers at Augusta or else well the major trouble the other nice thing about walking Augusta I mean it the grass is perfect so you're walking almost on foam rubber and sneakers really helped but it was I will say though I didn't expect it to be so hilly yeah Yeah. I mean, we took a lot of breaks. We weren't taking pictures because you can't have your cell phone out there, but just taking breaks and taking a look at each course carefully. But it's really hilly.

Yeah. I could see you maybe hanging back. I don't know what we're doing. We're going today for the part three. Then tomorrow we're going for day one. Right. Today we have the breckman's passes that this we don't even totally understand what what it is but it's by all accounts pretty great and today we may or may not get some rain make it a little rain so whatever those breckman passes entitle us to do we might just leave you there i wonder if

you could sleep there maybe i just leave you there. I wonder if you could sleep there. Maybe. We might just leave you. We might never see you again. Where on your bucket list top 10 was Tiger making a Sunday Masters run? I don't know if it was on my bucket list, but there's no doubt that coming here for the first and probably only time to have Tiger make his return. Yeah, we didn't expect this because we planned this trip a while ago and we didn't know that the Tiger Renaissance was in motion.

It's also amazing. I know he's a controversial figure, obviously, but to a person, everybody's talking about Tiger here. I don't know if he's controversial anymore. I think people just want him to be good at golf again. I think everybody has forgiven the past. I want him to be good at golf again because... People miss Tiger.

Guess what? Golf wasn't as much fun without Tiger. It wasn't. Just wasn't. Yeah. And you saw it those last couple tournaments when he was in the mix at the end and everybody was like,

how's Tiger? How's Tiger doing? What's he doing? And there's just nobody else like that. Jordan Spieth is never going to be like that. And I have to admit, like the Houston Open last week, I had many things to do last weekend. Somehow I found myself, it wasn't the Houston Open,

the weekend before that in the tournament that he was in contention. I had many other things to do. And I found myself watching TV to see how Tiger was doing. What do you mean you have many other things to do? You're retired. What are you talking about? I have errands. Dog walks?

Walking the dogs? My dogs like to go on walks. I have errands. You sound like you're a CEO of a company or something. You've been retired for eight years. I have people I consult with and give advice to. You move your car from one side of the street to the other with those parking rules?

Are you giving me shit? Speaking of giving you shit, you had this stealth Twitter account. That just opened about 20 minutes ago? Well, you had it. You used it to follow a couple people just for basketball stuff. And I convinced you as part of your masters being masters at 70 bucket list experience that you had to really get this Twitter account going. So we,

we, well, I'm not sure you can convince me. You took my phone and suddenly I'm involved. But house agreed. We voted that you have to start tweeting more. The account is that is at Dr. Bill47, so drbill1947, if you want to follow my dad.

And your first tweet was about the Brandon Cooks trade. It was. Which you liked because you want them to take Lamar Jackson at 23. You fired him for Lamar Jackson. I love Lamar Jackson. You like Lamar. Yeah. His stock's dropping because he hired his mom as an agent,

which freaks some teams out, which I think is ridiculous. I was glad to see that. Yeah, please. My gut tells me the Patriots will play it safe and take an offensive tackle. Yeah, they're going to get us excited for Lamar to take a guard. Yeah, really. And you and I, every year in the draft. Oh, it's so unsatisfying.

We have our lists, or at least I'll talk. I have my lists and players I know they're going to take or should take or will take. They've only had two fun drafts that I liked. One was when they took the two tight ends, Gronk and future double murderer Aaron Hernandez. But at the time, we didn't know who was going to kill anyone.

He seemed like a nice guy. He seemed like a nice guy. We were excited for him. That was exciting. That was really exciting. The one time ever they traded up and they got Chandler Jones. Remember that draft? Yeah, and they took the linebacker. You were so happy they traded up.

I've never heard you more happy about something as random as a team trading up eight draft picks or whatever it was. Well, they took the linebacker too. Jamie Collins. So, no. Oh, no, Hightower. Yeah, they took Chandler Jones and Hightower. You were just over the moon. Because we always do the opposite. Normally

you say it, you have your draft board which I don't even know how you make it because you barely watch college football other than the big games. No, you know, I'm retired so I can have a little time. You study. You don't know as much about the college football draft as the NHL draft which you hop in on. I study once we get into April and March and April.

So every year you're waiting like four hours for us to pick because we're always near the end of the first round. I see the guys that are available. Yeah. You get ready and you get your heart set on these two guys that you barely ever seen. Yeah. Then we trade down six spots and then we trade out another seven.

And we take guys we never heard of. This year we have 23 and 31. You and I, we liked Cooks, but we're also not shedding any tears. I liked him more in the first half of the year. He had that Miami game when they played the second time. They played at Miami. And this cornerback I had never heard of on Miami. We had all these receivers out, they needed cooks to do stuff.

And that cornerback completely swallowed him up and took him out of the game in a way that was dramatic. And I think all of us kind of looked at each other and went, wow, is Brandon cooks good. What's going on here. Cause he could basically run the bomb pattern and he could run the 15 yard stop sprint and stop and turn. But he didn't get anything over the middle.

And on third and four, third and five, it didn't seem like he could get open. He wasn't a Brady type of receiver. Yeah, there were two things that really disturbed me about how he played. He never fought for the ball. Unless he was behind the defender and Brady— Brady underthrew it. Yeah. He never fought for the ball and the second thing is

what you just said. You'd never see the guy go over the middle the way Amendola would. I don't even think he was unafraid to do it. He didn't have that skill of like, oh, the defense is doing this. I'm going to look at Tom. We know what each other's

going to do. Instead of doing what he thought I was going to do, I'm going to cut in. And he just didn't know how to do it. I thought Brady, the first half of the year, did everything he could to build up his confidence. Yeah. And to say that Cooks and I really have. What do you call him, Cookie?

Yeah. Brady called him Cookie. I'm not sure i'm not sure brady was doing more of that to try to motivate cookie and it never worked out and he disappeared in the playoffs the well no in the in the in the jacksonville game he had he got he got open in that game well in the first half anyway he had like six catches i think but i'm not sure they were difficult the super bowl he really heard us lombardi talked about yesterday on twitter the the reverse where he tried to just jump over the guy instead of just beating him to the corner

which instead of getting a touchdown we ended up getting three points that was a big four points right and or he certainly would have gotten the first down and then then you said, you won't say this on the podcast, but you blamed him for getting a concussion. You just didn't think it was tough enough. No, you didn't say that. I didn't say that. No, but it did suck that he got hurt in the Super Bowl. And even though we would have lost anyway,

I do like to tell Philly fans of my life that we would have won the Super Bowl if Cooks didn't get a concussion. I don't even really believe it. It's just my way of trying to hurt them. You just reminded me of something yesterday. House and I were walking around the course. No, I think it was Kyle and I. Kyle wanted to get a sandwich. I think it was his fourth sandwich of the day. And we saw a guy right in front of us. He had a Philadelphia Super Bowl hat on. Yeah. It really disturbed me. Yeah.

It really disturbed me. Well, now you can, Philly fans can go on Twitter and tweet in your replies about 41 to 33 because that's what they did to me. They never deserve that victory. No, they beat us.

That was the first Super Bowl I feel like we lost. Those two giant ones that would bother me to my grave that we blew those games and gave those games away. The Philly one, I feel like we just couldn't stop them ever. You must have a lot of Philly fans following you on Twitter.

We never stopped them. They did whatever they wanted on offense. We never got to stop ever. They had the ball for nine minutes in the fourth quarter. All we had to do was get the ball back. We couldn't even do that. Is this another discussion about maybe Butler would have helped? At least he could have tackled somebody?

One of the weirdest. Whole thing was weird. Whole thing was weird. My buddy Hench thinks that Belichick, my buddy Hench has this hot take conspiracy theory that Kraft did tell Belichick to trade Jimmy because Brady told him. And that Belichick's revenge now is to basically rebuild around

to keep trading, to have this young team, no left tackle, this work in progress building team just to F Brady back. This team that can't win the Super Bowl next year but is built for three years from now when he's not on the team anymore. I don't believe this conspiracy there, but I enjoyed it. It could be. So to rebuild around Lamar Jackson, I like it. I can see it happening.

So the red flags for Lamar Jackson. This happens every year. There's some quarterback that everybody picks apart, and it's stupid, and then they come into the league, and they're good. It happened last year with Deshaun Watson, who somehow dropped to the 11th or 12 12th pick and it was idiotic. And some similarities between the two of them. Yeah.

It was like, oh, well, he's athletic, but who knows? And then they just pick it apart and there's just a tinge of racism. Every time this, it always seems to be a black quarterback for some reason. We're like, oh, he might be a receiver. I don't know. It's like, Lamar Jackson was awesome in college.

Why does he have to move to receiver? Right. Because he's skinny? Like, he's 21 years old. His body's not going to fill out. Like, Kevin Durant was skinny. I think he's the kind of quarterback of the future, actually. It's just unbelievable to me.

They try to talk themselves into these other dudes. Right. It's like Josh Allen. Oh, he's got all the tools. Okay. We see those guys. We feel like we've seen Josh Allen every year. We see those guys come in the league every year. It's just so funny.

They make the same mistakes every year. Six foot four and a half, big arm, and not enough upstairs to call a game. Yeah, who knows? The only question with him is, what is he going to be like in a big game? It's like, okay, that seems like a big question. It's like that dude on Villanova, Bridges, the 3 and D wingman guy who was awesome, but he's not going to go in the top five of the draft. And I'm positive he's going to be good.

He'll go like ninth, and he'll end up being one of the three best players in the draft. Everybody will be like, whoa, Bridges should have gone higher. It's like, no kidding. I'm telling you right now, he should go higher. Well, I just saw a mock draft yesterday, NBA the draft. Everybody will be like, whoa, Bridges should have gone higher. It's like, no kidding. I'm telling you right now he should go higher. Well, I just saw a mock draft yesterday, NBA mock draft, of course. It's tough to do that given that there's so much play at the bottom. Yeah, there's too many teams. But it had the Cavaliers taking Bridges.

That'd be a great pick for them. I wasn't happy to see that. Yeah, I'm hoping they take somebody who needs a little more work. Yeah. We had, for about six weeks there, we had that Lakers pick that brought us so much joy. I'm not, I'm still in the,

they're going to get lucky and. They'd have to get really lucky at this point. And we're going to get the second or third pick. We need to get super duper lucky with that. It's like a 2% chance. Don't you think we're owed? I think, super lucky with that uh it's like a two percent chance don't you think we're owed i think i think it's not an accident that the lakers have always kept these picks that they could lose if they you know so you're saying now you're saying adam silver has something to do with no i'm just saying

it's just kind of funny the lakers okay never seem to get boned over with any of this stuff they always get their picks they always get in the top three. It's a pretty big market. Pretty big market. But it looks like that pick's rolling over to the Sacramento Kings next year, and it's top one protected. And we get to root against the Kings all next year,

which I feel really good about because that's a train wreck of a franchise. You and I love rooting against the team. Oh, we love having the team, the anti-team, basically. Plus it's a West Coast team, which means I'm up at one in the morning seeing how Sacramento does all of next year. There's no guy that they can really pick that's going to swing them in one season.

It's all guys that might be really, really good. This guy, Doncic, in Europe is one of the best players I've ever watched on YouTube. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He's 18. Of course I'm familiar with him. He's playing in the... Well, I mean, I don't know if you're familiar with his game. I have a little time on my hand.

I've watched him on YouTube. He's in the EuroLeague playing basically for the best team or one of the best two teams. And they're running crunch time plays for him. And he's making game-winning shots. And he really looks a little, I've got to say, a little birdish. He's a point guard, but he's got this nice fluid game. And he just knows what to do. I agree.

The thing is, as a rookie coming in, I'm not sure how many more wins he gives Sacramento. No. Well, Pussy's so young. But I think, so like if Sacramento won the lottery, they would take him. He's not going to swing them by 20 wins next year. No. We should also mention, since you're here,

you're out of your mind about this new guy in the Bruins. You love nothing more than when the Bruins have a good team and then they get some random guy from college who's not random to anyone who falls college hockey. Last year, I was really excited about McAvoy. And this year, really excited about Donato. But Donato was a bigger prospect than McAvoy. Well, in the Boston area, I'd say that Donato went to the Olympics

and got a lot of fanfare because he did so well. He's like the leading scorer in the Olympics, isn't he? Yeah, I'm saying. But McAvoy didn't have that opportunity. Yeah. But again, you have McAvoy coming out of Boston University. You have Donato coming out of Harvard. Pretty exciting.

You have two local kids. You have Donato, whose father played for the Bruins. 30-year anniversary of the Janie Joyce team. That was fun. Remember when they came up? We made it to the finals and then the Oilers killed us. People are very excited about this Bruins team. The problem is

obviously we're getting injuries. Carlo's out for the year, broken leg. That's going to hurt them. They have a couple of other guys with Knicks. They had a bad loss last night against Tampa Bay. But you're optimistic. I'm optimistic. You like this Bruins team.

I do like this. Good goalie. One punch Chara, just signed for another year. I'm good with that. I like this team a lot. And I think if the chips fall correctly, we could see them in the finals. And the Celtics, it's just been the year from hell.

And yet somehow we might make round two or round three. I mean, every day you turn around and... Yesterday they started a guy at point guard that I had to look up. I know you were. And I was like, oh, I was like, Kadeem Allen? Oh, and you had to remind me that was the guy we took with the 58th pick. I think he was the 56th pick.

Our fifth string point guard started last night. Yeah, I don't think he, I guess the little I heard was he didn't play that well. One of the most lovable Celtics teams we've had. Very much so. Reminds me of the 92 team yeah and the 93 team those last two Reggie Lewis years like just the

sum of the parts the whole exceeds the sum of the parts there's so many unknowns though is Irving actually going to come back if he comes back will it be round two

if we're in round two who do you want to play Milwaukee or Miami well we talked about it earlier I think I'd rather play Miami I'd rather play Milwaukee yeah I? Well, we talked about it earlier. I think I'd rather play Miami. I'd rather play Milwaukee.

Yeah. I just think they're so poorly coached that it'll take care of itself. Miami has all these dudes that kill us. Milwaukee was killing us last night, so it's hard to say. I'm not as worried about Milwaukee. I'm worried about anybody. But House is saying last night he thinks the Wizards can beat the Cavs. And we saw Michael Wilbon at this event we went to, this Wasserman dinner. Shout out to Casey Wasserman.

And Wilbon thinks the Wizards, the one team they love to play, the team that they're most fired up for, the team that they think about when they fall asleep every night is this Cavaliers team. They genuinely feel like they can beat the Cavaliers. I'm hoping the Wizards drop to seven because I'd love to play the Wizards in the first round. Oh, I would rather have the Wizards play the Cavs. Even if they don't beat the Cavs, at least they'll wear them out and win a couple games and get people excited. They're kind of built to compete with the Cavs, even a little better than we are. They have no bench.

The only guy they can bring up is Oubre. No, Sadoransky's been pretty good. compete with the Cavs. Even a little better than we are. They have no bench. The only guy they can bring up is Oubre. No, Sadaransky's been pretty good. House is cautiously lukewarm on Sadaransky. Not as lukewarm on Mahimny, right, House? Oh, I'm frozen. He's asked that he's frozen. He's not cold enough. He's frozen on Mahimny.

But I got to ask, he's frozen frozen on Mahimny but I gotta ask maybe you could cover this on your new Twitter account would you make a run at Kawhi this summer because I'm getting a lot of those emails lately no I wouldn't if it was Jalen Brown and the Sacramento pick you wouldn't trade that for Kawhi

no there's something going on with that guy. I mean, how do you not come back? Would you trade Abdul Nader and a second rounder for Kawhi? Yeah. Okay. But, you know,

even his teammates seem to be criticizing him. There's a quote from Parker the other day saying Parker was saying that his own injury, Parker's injury, was much more severe than Leonard's and he came back and what's going on here. That tells you a lot, I thought. I don't think he's a guy I want on my team.

Wow, you're framing him off. Yeah. So no, I'm not making that trade. You don't have a lot of leeway with people. You don't think Danny Ainge is listening? I think the Celtics would trade for Kawhi tomorrow. Yeah. I don't want to.

I think to me, Tatum is untouchable. Untouchable. Him hitting the rookie wall, I got a little worried. He had the bad hand. Lasted about two weeks. It was more than two weeks. Two and a half weeks. It was like six.

But he got through it. And the stuff he's been doing the last three weeks with Kyrie out has been really, really high level for somebody who's a freaking baby. Just turned 20. Well, the other thing is- It's just crazy. They've been having him play the four, the three, the two, and the one. You're right. I mean, he played point-

And by the way, guarding four positions too. Yes, he played point guard the other day and guarded the other point You're right. I mean, he played point. And by the way, guarding four positions too. Yes, he played point guard the other day and guarded the other point guard. Yeah. He's really something. Although, I'm happy that Fultz

is not going to be just a complete train wreck. There's signs of life with Fultz. Yeah. I would rather have Tatum in the pick, obviously, for 20 different reasons. But I didn't... We just need more good basketball players. It would have sucked I would rather have Tatum in the pick obviously for

20 different reasons but I didn't we just need more good basketball players it would have sucked if Fultz never figured it out he also seems like a nice kid although if you look in the box scores which I have a little more time to do than maybe you do he's not attempting any three point shots

no and teams are playing five feet off him I don't know if they're going to be able to play him in the playoffs but athletically he belongs. And, and he's been so good on that. He's getting a lot of assists. Yeah. And no three point attempts.

He's really fast. The guy who's been blowing me away the last, and the Sixer fans who, the Philly fans are so sensitive. He's been good all season. He's gone up a level, Ben Simmons. Yeah.

From a confidence standpoint, the way he runs that team now, he really kind of looks magic-like sometimes. I got to say, I would not say that in a casual, flippant way. He grabs these rebounds, and he just goes down the court. You and I loved him in college. Yeah, we didn't understand why his team wasn't better, but it's clear that he just, the better his teammates are, the better he's going to be.

Athletically, he's so good. I love the fact that he doesn't, he knows what he can't do. He doesn't, he's not like, I'm a shitty shooter, but I'm going to shoot anyway. No, he doesn't force the outside jumper. I can score from these three spots. Otherwise, I'm going to just control the game. You know, that's a well-coached team, too.

Yeah, I didn't always think that. But the last four or five weeks, it feels like he has a field. But it helped because they got Ilya Soba and Bellinelli, who you and I really liked. I wish the Celtics had gotten Bellinelli. You know, both those guys, when you look in the box score, every night, they're hitting threes. They're coming off the bench. Bellinelli's done it. That dude's done look in the box score every night yeah they're hitting threes they're coming off the bench no no he's done it that dude's done it in the finals that guy's has a real bench

scoring experience i was mad we didn't get him i was upset that ange didn't make a move for him also i mean we're missing that guy off the bench i think the celtics feel like they have no they've never said this publicly but just that it's just unrealistic for them to win four straight playoff rounds without Gordon Hayward. And why do anything when next year is the year they're looking at. And Hayward, who we'd always heard little floaters about him coming back in April. It's just not happening.

And it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't happen. And you don't want to risk any re-injuring just to try to get to the third round. Amazing, though, that 60 games combined, basically, for Hayward and Kyrie. Yeah. I guess 61 if you count the five minutes Hayward played on opening night. But they're going to miss 104 games combined. The two best, most expensive guys in the team, and the team is still going to win 57 games.

It is amazing, but it's not just those two guys. And then Smart missed what? Tice. Tice, I liked a lot. In the beginning of the season, I said, because you hadn't watched him much. No, that's not, First of all, not true. I did watch Latt, but you acted like you were the only one with cable.

I was at the games too. I'm just so used to you telling me that you like a tall, awkward, white guy in the Celtics. I had to keep my guard up. I still remember when you were calling me raving about Steamsma. Steamsma I Steams was something. I don't think they gave him enough of a shot.

Steamsma was pretty good that one year. Too many injuries. I don't want to write the year off, but maybe next year is our year. Well, you never know. If it can be Cleveland-Washington round one, and Washington can somehow beat Cleveland, and then we get to round two and who knows? Well, who knows about injuries on other teams too?

Philly, even though Philly is ridiculously talented, just a slew of guys who have never played in a playoff game. It usually takes a year, although we have some guys. I guess Jalen got some reps last year, but Tatum in the playoffs. Tatum gacked those two Warriors games, which were two of the biggest games of the year. It was just deer in the headlights. So I have my guard up with him just because he's so young. I think with those young guys, there's certain games where they just kind of go,

holy shit, I'm on ABC and I'm playing LeBron right now. You know, we could talk about each one of those guys. The bottom line is if Irving isn't out there, you know, we're not going to be moving on. We might move on to the second round, but I hope he's out there. It's an injury that maybe he can come back for the end of the first round. We're going to Augusta.

So we have to wrap this up. I'm throwing it to the Jeff Goldblum podcast. But we should mention once again, your new Twitter account. DR Bill 1947. Excited for your Bruins takes. There'll be Bruins takes, Celtics takes, and NFL draft coming up. That Marshawn's next overtime goal, you'll be right there with a tweet. Red Sox should be 6-0.

They're 5-1. Price is back. Do you want to apologize to David Price for all the terrible things you texted me about him last year? Do you have evidence

of those texts? I do. They're on my phone. I don't remember any of them. He really despised him. Now you're back. Now it's like it never happened. You know...

Hey, Bogarts is back, by the way. He's so far. Guess what? When you don't have a broken wrist, it's easier to swing. You and I talked in the year. Yeah, he was hurt all last year and killing my team and my fantasy team. Every time a guy gets hit in the wrist. Yeah, you hate wrist injuries.

Oh. You hate feet for basketball, wrist for baseball. Well, I'll show my age a little bit. Garcia Pera was never the same after he got hit in the wrist. He didn't get hit in the wrist. His wrist exploded. Well, he got hit in the wrist. He got hit by a pitch.

Yeah, but it exploded in a way that was unusual. Well, so that's what I'm saying. He was never the same. Yeah. Yeah. Probably put on a little too much muscle in retrospect. All right. Next time we hear from my dad, it will be after we've actually been at Augusta.

Oh, we forgot one more thing. The Brockton Firefighter. Give him a shout out. You know, Parzi Ali from Thorny Lee, the Brockton area. My friend, Stephen Hansen, big fan, always talking about him and his dad, telling me he's playing a practice round this morning, 1130 with Tiger. And he's in the third pairing tomorrow.

So hope he makes the cut. So this kid from Brockton who didn't even start playing golf on a conventional golf course and eventually did and worked his way up and is an amateur firefighter and miraculously did all these things. Firefighter, amateur golfer. That's what I meant. Amateur golfer and firefighter and miraculously qualified.

And qualified not just for this, but for the u.s open too right i'm really not sure but yeah so we're on this guy's bandwagon this is one of the more violent bandwagon jumps i've seen from you i'll be following him in the tomorrow in the first round maybe we should follow him tomorrow can you walk 18 holes i i walked a lot of holes yesterday maybe nephew kyle might be able to carry you we We have to get nephew Kyle a badge tomorrow. I did see some older guys like me. They were in these little carts. Maybe you have to show that you're

partially paralyzed, but I don't know where you get those. All right. Whatever injury you can fake tomorrow to get a cart, we'll try to figure that out. Dad, thanks for coming on. Thank you. And since we're here, don't forget, Against All Odds Mean House, we for coming on. Thank you. And since we're here, don't forget,

Against All Odds Mean House, we're on there this week giving master's picks. We're going to be on Shack House tomorrow night. Be ready for that. And that's it. Anyway, here's an interview that I did with Jeff Goldblum. We talked wide-ranging interview. It's really fun. I love when there's,

when I'm not sure where the guest is going and he's refusing to do a conventional interview. I loved it. It was great. It kept me on my toes the whole time. Somebody who's been in our lives for a long time. Jeff Goldblum, here it is. Here we go. The mayor of Hollywood, Jeff Goldblum.

I thought you were introducing yourself. No, I'm not even anything in Hollywood. You're the mayor, though. Everyone says you're the mayor. No, I'm nothing. There was a whole oral history in GQ once about how you've resonated with all these different pockets of the Hollywood community. Really? Yeah.

Pockets? Don't act like you didn't read it. I read it. Those were very sweet. As a matter of fact, I'm a little late. I'm belated in getting back to all those people who they called and came up with something

nice to say in many cases. It was all about how you just connect with people left and right, no matter where you are. You can be at an airplane. I've only been here two minutes. I know. You told me about lozenges. I've told you about my lozenge secret. You apologized for being so impeccably dressed

because you were coming from another show because you're in the circuit. That's right. Meanwhile, I'm dressed like a bum as always in a sweatshirt. You dress fantastically. I'm just comfortable. I'm a comfortable guy. Does anybody know that you have the hair of a young...

The hair of an Italian? Steve McQueen. Young Steve McQueen. And the piercing blue eyes of Peter O'Toole. Oh, thank you. Lawrence of Arabia. That's really nice. I had no idea.

Thank you. Yeah, who knew? You were this camera ready. Who knew? Yeah, I'm definitely not camera ready today. So you're at the end of the circuit. We're catching you. But I don't think it matters because I think you're ready to go at all times.

I'm always, I'm in the, I'm in full flush of my Goldblum tendencies. But you have a small child, so you wake up every morning. I have two small children. So you're up in the mornings. Yes, I am. That's the problem with having kids when you're older is they wake up super early. But it's not a problem because old people wake up super early. Like I'm 48.

All of a sudden, I'm getting up at 6 now. Of course. We like to get up early. And we like to go to bed early. Yeah. That's the thing. That's the part I'm still struggling with. Really? Why? What do you like to get up early and we like to go to bed early. Yeah. That's the thing. That's the part I'm still struggling with. Really? Why? What do you like to do at night? Have another bowl of cereal? I like to watch TV.

Do you still watch TV or do you go on the YouTube and just watch sample this and that? I do both, but I really still like scrolling through the channels and being like, oh, that movie's on. I still get a kick out of it. It's our generation though. I know, but hey get a kick out of it. Yeah, it's an old habit. It's our generation, though. I know.

But hey, how about Apple TV? That's really changed my life, the whole Netflix. You can see every movie. You can really seriously watch movies now. It's almost like too many choices. It's kind of paralyzing. It's like when you go on an airplane sometimes, and they have the movie library,

and there's like 100 movies that I kind of want to watch again, but I'm not that excited. I settle on my old standbys. One of which is the big chill, which is just like, kind of like comfort watching. I know all the, I know all the scenes. I like the characters. I feel like they're my friends. I died back in the world. If you were that, you will, well, you would be of course, Tom Barringer probably. Oh, stop it. He was an actor. Or, well, you could be. No, I'd have been more like you because you were a writer. Well, yeah. That was my background. Well, you could be, of course, Tom Barringer, probably. Oh, stop it. He was an actor. No, I'd have been more like you because you were a writer. That was my background.

Well, you could have really. I mean, you're kind of a troublemaker in that movie, but. Yeah, I'm a bit of a scallywag. Well, wait a minute. You were a writer, of course. Yeah. Tell me everything about that without. That's how I started everything.

I was a sports columnist. Wait, where are you from originally? I'm from Boston originally. I like how you flipped this podcast on me. No, I'm not flipping you from originally? I'm from Boston originally. I like how you flipped this podcast on me. No, I'm not flipping anything. Yeah, I'm from Boston originally. And then I got hired by ESPN to write a sports column

and that led to a whole bunch of other good things. That's so interesting. Why? You were always interested in sports? You always just liked sports? Love sports. That's so interesting.

You're a tall guy though. You never... I'm 6'4". I'm a little over 6'4". Never played hoops? I played everything on the street during... You had to... You know, they had to call me in for dinner at the end of the day because I was out on

the street playing basketball during basketball season, baseball during baseball season, football. I was in Little League. You know, I did all that. But my uncle, my dad's brother named Chucky Goldblo, was a big star for Westminster College. A basketball star. He was exactly my height. He kind of looked like me. And supposedly, the legend has it, he was going to go into the NBA.

He was going to be in the NBA. But you don't have a basketball movie in your background or anything. No, I don't. I take part in that great white hype movie, speaking of boxing. Boxing. Yeah. But you couldn't have been in like Fish That Saved Pittsburgh or some of those late 70s, like an up and coming role?

Yeah. Maybe I could still. You should tell your agent. You blew it. Fast Break you could have been in? Fast Break, really? I don't know either of those movies so far. I'm playing.

I know Hoosiers. I know the basketball movie Hoosiers. What are your favorite sports movies? Hoosiers. Hoosiers. I know the basketball movie Hoosiers. What are your favorite sports movies? Hoosiers. Hoosiers you like? Yeah, what else? Well, the classics are the old school classics are like Hoosiers, The Natural. The Natural.

I did like Glenn Close is a friend of mine from The Big Chill, of course. We've stayed in touch and she just, she's a dear angel. She said something nice about me in that piece for GQ and she came over to our house to meet our two little boys. We've got two touch, and she's a dear angel. She said something nice about me in that piece for GQ, and she came over to our house to meet our two little boys. We've got two little boys now. Yeah.

And she was in The Natural. That's right. She was the lady in white in The Natural, but then played Fatal Attraction Lady like a year later, which is like the two opposite ends of the spectrum. That's right. Oh, she's got every color in the rainbow. She can do everything.

But how about that Glenn Close sports movies? That's what we were talking about. Hey, do you like that movie that Oliver Stone did about football that, you know, any given Sunday? I think it's really weird, but it's aged really nicely. Yeah, it's kind of a guilty pleasure for me. I kind of like it, too. Pacino is here. We did a podcast last week.

You've got to be kidding. Sitting right there. Now you've struck a chord. Now you're talking about something. I'm not positive he knew what was going on. What do you mean? I think he thought it was a live radio show for a while and then realized it was eventually a long-form conversation that he could just keep going

and going. And about 25 minutes in, he started doing all. I remember one time with Brando and I was like, oh, this is, yes. And it was great. He was awesome. Really? He name dropped any given Sunday. He was like, I was in this movie once, any given Sunday. I was like, yeah, I'm familiar.

I've seen it 40 times. Were you starstruck with him? I mean, I would have had a million questions for him. Did you ask about the Godfather? Or did you feel comfortable talking about all that? I did. And he talked about how he almost got fired in The Godfather. Right, of course.

That's a famous story. He was talking about the 70s. He was talking about the 80s. There's just like five years that are just missing where he just didn't act. Right, before he came back in Sea of Love. Yeah. You know. That's how he phrased it, actually.

Then I came back with a movie you might have heard of, Sea of Love. Yeah, with John Goodman. Yeah, that was good. My friend Ellen Barkin. Good one. I did a couple of movies with Ellen Barkin. Yeah. You know, a couple of movies.

That's what I, we're going to play a game that we're going to be able to dive into all different parts. I like to play all manner of games. By the way, I'm from Pittsburgh. You're from Boston. Right. So you must be a Patriots fan. I know.

Or as a broadcaster, you're not allowed to have any allegiance to any team. Oh, I'm the exact opposite. I'm open about my allegiances. Really? So you're for the Patriots? So yeah, we've been beating the Steelers pretty consistently now for two decades. Did you see today, I saw in the Bleacher Report, they have the new catch rule has been established. I know.

Which would have, and they referenced the catch. You would have won that game. We would have won that game. We would have won that game. Yeah. As we should have. As usual, they changed the rules after the Patriots benefited from them. That's a recurring theme with the league. Now, even being a fan as you are, are you suspicious of their...

Now, that rule needed a change. Right. My whole thing is... But after their win... If it seems like a catch, it should be a catch. Yeah. You know? Like, Jesse James clearly caught the ball. To say, like, no, actually, it moved catch, it should be a catch. Yeah. You know? Like Jesse James clearly caught the ball.

To say like, no, actually it moved one-eighth of an inch. Yeah. I don't like it. Well, anyway, we could talk about that forever. But I'm a big Pittsburgh Steelers fan. You must know everything about the offseason with the Steelers this year. Well, you have your running backs holding out. Yeah, Le'Veon Bell.

What do you think? I met him once. I took a couple of pictures with him, believe it or not. I support running backs holding out because their careers are about eight to nine years and they need to get paid during the eight to nine years. And it can't be like, yeah, next year we'll get you. And then all of a sudden you get cut. How long did Barry Sanders work?

Yeah. How long did Jim Brown work? It's a young man's position. Hey, here's a quiz for you. Yeah. What movie? let's talk about sports figures who then did movies.

What movie did, well, Jim Brown did a lot of movies. Jim Brown retired to make kind of not that great movies. He was like these low-budget action movies. But he just didn't want to play anymore. He was smart. He didn't want to take the punishment. Oh, you're right. Very smart.

But O.J. was in Capricorn One, which was actually a good movie. I like Capricorn One. You don't like it? I don't know. I've never seen it. You're not in on it? I've never seen it. It was about how they basically faked going to Mars.

They filmed it in a studio, but then something went wrong and the astronauts had to escape. Right. Right. You know what? It was a good one. Courtney B. Vance is in Isle of Dogs. I've been spending time with him on this publicity tour. He's a wonderful guy, a wonderful actor.

And of course, he played Johnny Cochran in the recent. He was amazing in that. He was quite amazing in that. And then Sterling K. Brown was great too. And he's had a whole kind of, not revival, but like, I guess breakthrough. He played Chris Darden. Chris Darden, of course.

You got to get in on one of these Ryan Murphy things. And I just did a, well, I like Ryan Murphy, and I saw every episode of Feud. And wait a minute, I was on a couple episodes of Glee. That's Ryan Murphy too, right? Yeah, but you got to do one where you play like Bob Shapiro. Oh, really? Like if Travolta had, if they hadn't had him,

I think you were next. Sterling K. Brown, I just did a movie with. Yeah. Called Hotel Artemis with the two of us and mainly Jodie Foster. Oh. How about that? Interesting. Isn't that interesting?

He hosted SNL and was really good. Yes. And I like when actors that I like host SNL because it's a nice test of kind of, I don't want to say how good of an actor they are, but how flexible they are as an actor. Yes, I know what you mean. A different thing. You did it.

You hosted it twice, right? A couple of times, yeah. Did you ever act? Did you do much acting? God, no. No? No, I'd be terrible. I'd be terrible.

You'd be wonderful. No, you'd be great. You hosted in 93? Yeah, I think it was 93. Aerosmith? That's right. Aerosmith. I don't remember. You hosted one more time, but I don't remember the other. I remember the Aerosmith, though. Aerosmith? That's right. Aerosmith. I don't remember.

You asked it one more time, but I don't remember the other. I remember the Aerosmith, though, because that was the kind of story. And then I played with him. You know, I play piano. I heard that story. I played. You heard that story. You went on stage with him.

I won't bore you with that. That's right, yeah. That's not a boring story. They invited you on stage during an Aerosmith concert. They invited me on stage at the start of the moment, and I played a song with him in some outdoor theater, 80,000 people. I'm going to play the IMDb game with you. It's going to be fun. You ready? Yes. Yeah. Well, I want to play. Do you know what the IMDb game is?

No, I don't. We go through some of the movies you did. Okay. And just the trigger of the names prompts you into some sort of memory from the past. Watch this. That's my, that's my best, that's special skills on my resume, you know, free association along with a stick shift and, you know, I speak some French. Well, what was,

there was on one set where they were playing like basically every movie you were in could go to another actor but then it could circle back and come back to you. that's a fun game.

That's a different, a little variation is the movie game. Actor, movie, actor, movie, actor, movie. That would be a fun game to play together. Kevin Bacon was another one that could do that. There's certain actors who've been,

who've crossed so many paths. Yeah, that's right. All right, so your first movie. Death Wish. Death Wish. And you're like a horrible thug in the movie. And you set up this whole vigilante. You're freak number one on the IFDB.

That was your first movie. It was like the most horrible part ever. That's right. 1973, long before you were born. Gregory Rzakis and Chris Logan

are the freak number two and three. Charles Bronson, of course, is the fellow whose wife, Hope Lang, gets killed.

You break into her apartment and you do terrible things to her and her daughter. We do terrible things. So what do you tell your fam after? Like, good news. I got a break. I'm in this movie. But you might not want to see it. Well, I don't know. I was excited. I just studied with Sanford Miser

and no, it was a part. It was a part. I got a part. To break into any part at all was the first thing I'd ever gone up for. Wow. So it was like a miracle. The greatest miracle to me. And playing a part that was unlike me. I'd ever gone up for. Wow. So it was like a miracle, the greatest miracle to me. And playing a part that was unlike me. I thought I was characterizing and going to practice my acting. So I was thrilled about it.

Yeah. That movie, which they finally remade, which had been dying to be remade forever, is such a great idea. The idea of the movie? Don't just like normal guy. Yes. Something horrible happens to his family and he becomes a vigilante. You like that idea?

It's a great idea. What do you like about that idea? I just like it. Well, it did well the first time, but- It didn't do as well the second time. I just like the principle behind it of somebody kind of snapping and looking for their own version of justice. Really?

You don't seem to like it as much. No, of course not. Not in real life. No, I meant as a fantasy, not as a real life. Yes, yes. As a movie. Yeah. It's an idea that appeals to a lot of people who felt frightened and, and they want to do something violent to, to keep themselves safe as we know in today's world,

a lot of many people feel at risk. But we, I, I believe me, Jeff Goldblum, I believe. And I hope I don't offend anybody that in the long arc that I hope 100 years from now or even sooner, we say people were doing what? Yeah, they were. They had these things called guns and nuclear weapons that they could do away with everybody in a second. And before we decommissioned all that technology and melted them down and made sculptures and lovely little things that you could watch, people were actually resolving their conflicts, not by conversation and lively, vibrant conversation and disagreement, but they were hurting each other and killing each other even when the the the the wisdom literature tells us it's one of the commandments

that's one of the things you don't want to do don't kill anybody so why why are there even these things yes that you can resort to when we get mad of course yes so you're saying death wish isn't going to age well hey i'm, I'm talking about something else entirely besides the commercial legs of a movie, of a stupid little movie. I wonder 100 years from now, I wonder if people would be interacting. Everybody just might be in their own little house or apartment or condo and just texting and emailing each other and that's it. We don't know. The technology has, I'm no expert, but it's so erupted, and we don't know what it's going to do to the culture.

Me, I hope that we can use it in a way to allow ourselves to make deeper, more intimate, personal connections with each other. And one of the vehicles for that through the ages has been storytelling and telling each other in person and by way of the movies or however we do it, stories where we pretend things sometimes. We go, hey, let's imagine that, but what if this happened? We act out things. That's kind of nice. Well, you're the mayor of Hollywood. You can make this happen. I'm nothing.

Just tell the people that work under you to just get the laws passed. There's nobody. What laws? Do you have an office? I keep acting going? No, no. No, no. I'm just on my own here. How about Starsky and Hutch,

1977? That was a great show. Thank you very much. I love that show. The great David Soule and How about Starsky and Hutch, 1977? Hey, now you're cooking with gas. Thank you very much. I love that show. The great David Soule and Paul Michael Glazer. Unbelievable car. I might've had that toy little tiny replica of it. I want a muscle car now.

I mean, I've never had a fun car in my life. I'm driving a Prius now and that's the correct car. My friend, Ed Begley told me to get that. My wife has a Tesla now and I'm thinking of getting a new car. There's a little space left in my garage, which is not going to fit, you know, the Dodge Challenger or something in orange with a stripe or something.

But I'd kind of like that. I should go off the grid and get a Leaf or a Bolt or another Tesla, but it's maybe too small. Well, and what was that car? Is that a Dodge Challenger or something like that? I can't remember.'t know yeah i'd like i like the paint job i don't even remember what car it was you and i that's me all i really care about i don't i know nothing about cars all i really care about a car is the color yeah so i've been looking at those mini coopers and i go gee i want one of those little those cute little colors what about uh annie hall you had one line

annie hall i said you know what it is? Maybe you researched it. Would you have known had you not researched it? I haven't seen that movie in a while. Oh, okay. So nobody knows. Okay, here. I say in that movie, I forgot my mantra. Woody Allen, Alvy Singer visits Hollywood and there's a Los Angeles party and some guy on the phone, he passes with Paul Simon and he's visiting Paul Simon's house and Diane Keaton, his girlfriend, and he passes me, I'm on the phone, and I say, I forgot my mantra. You know, that's the line. How big of a deal was it to get a Woody Allen,

even a line in a Woody Allen movie in 1977? Because Andy Hall was the one that blew him up, but he was already big anyway. Oh, sure he was, but it changed a lot. I think it changed some things in movies and for his career, it was a landmark. I do believe, I don't know if he sees it that way, but it was a big deal for me. Like I say, I'd started in 73. This was actually in 75-ish. So it was only a few movies in. It was my

third movie after Death Wish. I did California Split and Nashville, these two that I miraculously landed with Robert Altman, spectacular director. And then I met Woody Allen on this and he said, yeah, I'll, you know, come on and do this. Who was more happy for you, Starsky or Hutch? Happy for me. That was after.

Starsky and Hutch was after I moved here. But how about. Well, this next movie was a movie my parents took me to in the theater and probably shouldn't have. Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Oh, 1978. parents took me to in the theater and probably shouldn't have invasion of the body snatchers oh 1978 a really good idea and a movie that has shockingly held up well well thank you very much i i i haven't seen it in a while but i'll bet it it is nice because philip kaufman a wonderful director uh who directed the right stuff i had a little part in that yeah uh directed that michael

chapman who was the cinematographer on ragingaging Bull, speaking of which, was the great cinematographer. Oh, it's got lovely things in it. And, of course, Donald Sutherland is in it. Do you know that premise, Tommy? Pods are taking over people. If you fall asleep, you turn into a pod and get replaced by the pod. Yeah. So the whole goal for the last hour of the movie is don't fall asleep.

Yeah. But, obviously, human beings have to sleep. Yes. It's kind of terrifying. It's terrifying. And of course, people have attached symbols to it. Imagine that it's a symbol for other things. Many other-

Jeff's character falls asleep and becomes a bad guy. Yeah. Well- You shouldn't have fallen asleep. I do. Oh, do I? Yes, I do and becomes a bad guy. Yeah. Well, you shouldn't have fallen asleep. I do. Oh, do I? Yes, I do. Yeah, I do. You shouldn't have fallen asleep. You blew it. Well, they take you over. These pod people take, take you over. You got to sleep at some point, but I think it's a, now that I, I'm thinking out loud right now, I think it's a metaphor for any of us in our modern world to fall below a level of awareness, attention, wakefulness. And then we become, if we do, if we lose touch with reality,

the facts of reality and a certain alertness, we might become a kind of unrecognizable soulless type, you know? That's how I felt the last two years at ESPN when I was there. Really? No, it's a little bit, a tiny bit. The Right Stuff, another one that sold out well. Same director. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, so Big Chill 83, this is your big break. Is it? I don't know. I don't know, I'm asking you. I don't know about that. I mean, it was a continuum along the way of it was, it got attention. Well, maybe it didn't feel like it was the big break as it was a continuum along the way of it was a it got attention well maybe it didn't feel like it was the big break as it was happening but in retrospect you have this awesome director it becomes this iconic movie belongs to a generation like it's my mom's probably one of

her top three favorite movies because it's like her generation yeah it's like we went to college we're gonna save the world and then 10 years passed and it's like, hey, let's make some money now. And that was like the existential dilemma of the baby boomers. When you get older, do you lose your idealism? We're looking right now at these wonderful kids who are protesting in union and are on the right side of history, of course. And what will we be like when we get older? Are we that brave? Are we that idealistic?

I don't know. I love that movie because I have like probably like 20 and 25 go-to movies. The thing I love about that movie is it's it's about friendship and one of the one of the big themes that it is these people are like almost like become family and they're your friends but they're really not in your life after a certain point yeah and like william hurt's character he at one point he's like you guys you've seen you twice a year and like he does that whole speech you don't know me yeah yeah you don't know me and it cuts deep, but at the same time, like they feel like they do know him. That's like their brother.

Yes. And it's so painful, but it's like, that's what life's like. You feel like somebody is your best friend and then you don't talk to them for two years. Yeah, that's right. You still love them though. Even members of your own family. Yeah. Sometimes you go, geez, we're family, but I, we've drifted apart or this and that. Yeah, it's a classic. It's like The Godfather 2. Right. You know, oh, my gosh. That's the ultimate family movie.

They're connected by blood in a very strong way, but they wind up killing. He winds up killing Fredo. Oh, my God. Still can't get over it. Oh, my God. In Godfather 3, he becomes, you know, epileptic over the whole thing. Psychically epileptic.

Aye, aye, aye. And then visited upon him is the death of his own daughter in front of his eyes. And he screams silently like the painting. The camera coming back. Yes. That was great. Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye. Those Corleones.

When you filmed The Big Chill, they had everybody come like three weeks early or two weeks early, and you guys all hung out. It really sounds like it was a special experience. It was very special. I don't know. It doesn't seem like movies unfold that way very often, where it's like you're connecting with all the people, and then you act in the movie after. It's rare.

Yeah. No. we did it like a play you do that when you do plays yeah but we rehearsed that for more than two weeks i think for four weeks or something uh we got together and talked and bonded ourselves together intentionally and and worked out the stuff in the movie yeah and became quite close and it was very palsy and warm and delicious. And then we all went to Buford, South Carolina, where they filmed the great Santini in that same house with Duvall. That's right. And yeah, and we lived there, we lived in a complex there all together. And after filming, we would get together and play charades and play games and sing and dance yeah it's great no sequel no no i don't know if the

i don't know what a sequel would be for that movie yeah i don't know it's tough i like how it just ends at the kitchen table and then yes yes it's fine and dandy so that opened up after that now you're rolling well i don't know about that but but- No, you're rolling now at that point. Well- You're getting to pick projects now that you want to do. I don't know. No? Remember? Sure.

It was nice. I'm sure it was helpful. You know, I've never been careerist is what you're talking about. And so I don't know if I even- Maybe you love acting. I love acting. It must be nice to be like, oh, now I have a chance to do this project that I don't have a chance. Yes, as that's come more and more as I've gone on,

and not at any one landmark point really is the answer, but as that has come, yeah, I feel better now than ever and luckier, and I'm enjoying acting more purely and in a relaxed fashion than ever and feel that I'm on the brink of my best stuff, in fact. Silverado. Yes. People feel like is one on the brink of my best stuff. In fact, Silverado. Yes. People feel like is one of the last really good eighties movies. Really?

I don't know. Good. Well, you said it. I don't know. Are you, are you just running up the flagpole? See what I'll say?

No. Yeah. I think a lot of people do like that movie. Of course. we're doing word association with your movies. Yeah. Okay. I'm just trying to set you up.

Oh yeah. Well, you're starting the association. You're throwing me off because you're starting me on the association. You're like, here, drive the car away and I'll drive for the first walk. Now just take my wheel whenever you want. Let me drive it. Let's see. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's a lovely movie, of course. And I have a big fart coat in that movie. You play Slick Calvin Stanhope. Calvin Stanhope. It's a great character name. That movie and you play slick calvin stand up calvin stand great character name that's right and i got a dagger up my boot and i've got a derringer up my sleeve and sweet danny glover and i get to tangling at the end of that movie uh he does me in so costner's in that and he's about to become a mammoth star could you see that as you like when

you're doing a movie like that, are you looking around going, oh, that guy's somebody. That guy's, something's happening to this guy. So you're asking questions that have the sensibility of careerism to them. So you don't like the careerism stuff. It's not that I don't like it.

I've never been focused on it. So the answer to the last question is no. I don't go around usually saying, hey, as if I'm smoking a cigar. I'm not the cigar. That's the other side of it. So the answer to the last question is no. I don't go around usually saying, hey, as if I'm smoking a cigar. I'm not the cigar. That's the other side of the coin. But don't you notice, like, wow, that guy's a really good actor. Yes. I can get excited about and say,

wow, geez, very sparkling. Wow, who is this guy? Who is this guy? I don't know that I immediately start thinking, oh boy. I bet good things are going to happen to him. Good things. So that's the writer in me.

Yeah, that's, you're another kind of, you've got a different kind of talent than I. I don't know if I have that talent. I don't even know if it's a talent. Oh, sure it is. Look at you. But isn't there a competitiveness, like when you're on a set like that

and you got people, you're all the same age, especially when you're younger. I mean, they're friends, but at the same time time they're going to be rivals for future parts and stuff you didn't feel i get i guess if you choose to if you choose to think that way you're down a route that's oh that's going to get even more even more radical see this is why you're the mayor of hollywood and you will drive yourself self nuts because it's unhealthy right you know read the play death of a salesman i think uh i biff i think happy happy the the the misguided and confused son who doesn't even know he's confused who's suffering from a classic american disease syndrome says you know i think one of my troubles is I have an overdeveloped sense of

competition. And we see that his dad who has visited that upon him and who happy has not had the sensitivity and intelligence like Biff to resist is doomed in a tragic way. And so is happy. It's only Biff that gets out of it. I myself have tried to, I'm not unfamiliar with the temptation to feel like that here and there, but I myself have always been an active aspirant toward its antidote. Stay involved with what you love to do and be the best of yourself and find yourself for the sheer joy of work and forget this game and rat race. It's only going to flip it around. It's only going to be dismal. When you're in the big, you must learn one thing when you're in every movie, right?

Learn one thing. One thing that's going to help you going forward. Yeah. I'm a humble student. I'm always eager to sponge up any. What'd you learn from Big Joe? What did I learn? Well, I'll tell you. What'd you take away from that movie? Like, I'm going humble student. I'm always eager to sponge up any. What'd you learn from Big Joe? What did I learn? Well, I'll tell you. What'd you take away from that movie? Like, I'm going to use this. Okay, listen to this. I don't know about acting. I'm always trying to get better at acting

and maybe I learned a thing or two. But Joe Beth Williams, who was wonderful in that movie, one of these nights to which I referred, where we were playing charades, saw me before the uh my turn kind of fishing around like a scallywag of some kind in the bowl and kind of trying to take a peek you're cheating titles i was cheating but i thought it was kind of cute stakes cheating huh low stakes cheating it's what low stakes cheating low stakes cheating yes well i didn't

even know that phrase but it's a kind of, yes. I just created it. I thought of it. It's very good. I thought of it, yes, as low stakes and this is just for fun. And aren't I kind of cute and charming that I'm kind of trying to get a sneaky leg up. She became red with fury. She's an honorable person, Jo Beth Lance.

She's noble and honorable and wonderful and decent. And in front of everybody said, Jeff Goldblum. And I don't know, I don't remember the exact words, but she read me the riot act and says, shame on you. Look what you're doing. Don't, how, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I was stricken with shame. From that point on, I can say that it kind of shifted my paradigm. I never cheated again. I don't think it became so shameful to me. I think it cured me. She cured me in that moment. Sequelhandedly. It was like she baptized you. I guess I was ready. Yeah. I guess I was ready for it, but somehow that, you know, any game I play, you know, and hopefully in life too,

and some of the more complicated ways in which we can be dishonest or cheat in ways, but certainly in any game, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Don't tell, I don't want to know anything about it. This is a, it really taints the victory. Can I still cheat at low stakes things like Scrabble? You can do anything you want. Everybody's on their own, right on schedule, on their own timeline. And if it still works for you, if it's still fine for you, it maybe is okay. I played Scrabble with my wife once and my dad, and I actually thought it was a blank tile, but it was turned the wrong way.

And then two other blank tiles came out and I had used a blank tile that really was like an eye underneath it. And they're still making fun of me about this like 20 years later but i didn't know or you cheated you knew and you cheated i don't think i knew i but believe me i would have cheated at scrabble but in this case i didn't know so i had plausible deniability yes well well i'm glad she taught you that because plausible deniability but you know that's a form of low grade cheating too you have to low stakes cheat yes turn that tile In Scrabble, if you're playing, if you think it's a blank, make sure you turn it over as many times as you need to to make sure I really

have a blank one. Because ignorance of the law is not a defense. That's amazing she cured you. Amazing. I'll be indebted to her forever. You did Into the Night. Yes. You caught P the Night. Yes. You caught Pfeiffer pretty early there, right?

No. Yeah, Pfeiffer. It was quite early. Yeah, she had done Grease 2. She had a little Scarface. And I think had she just done Scarface, Scarface was like a year or so before. Ah. Was that Scorsese?

Scarface is not Scorsese. Who did Into the Night? No, John Landis is Into the Night. John Landis, that's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, well. Was that Scorsese? Scarface is not Scorsese. No, no, who did Into the Night? No, John Landis is Into the Night. John Landis, that's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What'd you learn from that one? Well, Michelle Pfeiffer is wonderful,

and we went on to do Prince of Egypt, another voice thing together, and we went on to do a play in Central Park, a Shakespeare play, Twelfth Night. I think the world of her, and continue to be a huge fan. She's my favorite actress, and it's a running joke with The Ringer staff, with some of the people I've worked with.

I just think she can do no wrong. Oh, she's fantastic. I don't think I could do a podcast with her. I would be too discombobulated. She's absolutely wonderful. I just saw her in mother she's uh she's oh what do you think of that movie well we'll talk all about super weird right we're going to talk all about that later i thought it was very provocative and i was riveted

to it and there's much to say polarizing much to say about it yeah but wait one second is i was going to say something about just a second well Well, something you learned from her. Oh, I know something I learned from into the night. Yeah. We just made, I saw it again recently because I was going to do a whole video DVD, extra material, you know, not commentary, but a little interview about it that would be included on the Blu-ray DVD, which I think just came out. I haven't seen it yet. So I don't know how they cut it down, But in the interview, I talked a lot about, and I hope it's there because I liked it, about seeing it now, seeing it recently, and realizing all the ways I would change my performance. Oh, that's interesting.

And every way I would act differently now. You mean like you would scale it up, scale it down? It's complicated. It went on for, I talked a lot about it. I don't know that I could summarize it right now, but see, maybe it's not, they didn't include it. Maybe it was too boring to include an inside baseball, but I want to watch that to see if they included it. Give me the one sentence cliff notes.

What would you have done differently? I think I said, quick notes. What would you have done differently? I think I said... My interpretation. I think I would have interpreted it differently. Interpreted it differently. That's not me. For a second, I was scared I'd left my phone on, but that's you. You always turn your phone off in the theater, don't you, when you go to a play? I do.

Yeah, that's good. No, it's the FaceTime. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, that's good. No, it's FaceTime. Oh, congratulations. What's that mean? Somebody's calling you on FaceTime? You don't do FaceTime? Oh, because your kids aren't old enough yet. Your young kids.

They're on no screen time whatsoever. I do Instagram. So I post some things on Instagram, and then I look sort of compulsively, pathetically, at hashtag Jeff Goldblum to see what people are posting. Are people nice? Very nice. They're very nice.

And they post fun old pictures of me and from things that I like to see sometimes and pictures that they've drawn of me and tattoos that they've gotten of me on themselves. What was your most regrettable hairdo from the past? Hairdo. You must have had one bad one from the 70s or 80s, right? Oh, yeah.

I've swung wildly in horrible style directions. I mean, their hair now looks magnificent. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Well, you have classic. I mean, yours is like perfectly pushed up. Yours looks like George Clooney. Really?

Really? Wait a minute. It looks like there's a lot of product in there, but I don't think there is. Okay, so this is one of these. It starts as a compliment. This is like me. It is a compliment. When I say, hey, that's a lovely sweater i really mean sometimes oh my gosh i have to

mention it because it's so god awful really but wait you wanted to say it's all pushed up i like how it's sitting up and it's it seems like there's product in but i don't think there is like i think it's just like a natural yeah natural like fluff upwards. Okay. Well, if you like it, if you like it, I just came, as I told you from the, from filming that show, The Talk. Right. So I had a hair person. I'm not going to, I'm not, there's nothing that I need to hide from you. You did a wonderful job.

Yeah. It's a, a David Cox did it and he did, he even filled in, look at this. My, see my sideburnss i've got a kind of a very kind of little shadow on the side i've got an affected yes i've got an affected sort of very but very planned stubble a length of stubble that i like that we both like that he recommended and he sort of groomed it a little bit to outline this sideburn yeah which he then darkened a little bit so it's all darkened so it looks like my mustache which is actually dark yeah this is the actual fit but it sort of matches that i kind of like it

even though i'm yeah uh conceptually opposed to hair dye much or me too kind of you know any kind of uh interference or mutilation. The Fly, 86, which was on cable for a long time, but you went all in on that one. The Fly? Yeah. What do you mean all in? It was grueling.

You didn't have clothes on for a lot of it. Some of it, that's true. I mean, that was like a commitment, that movie. It sure was, yeah. Well, I've always been committed to my acting. It was a good idea. It was a good idea for a movie. Again, with you with a good idea. I know, I just always been committed to my acting. It was a good idea. It was a good idea for a movie. Again, with you with a good idea. I know, I just like it.

I respect ideas. You have a producer's sensibility. You know what? Good idea for a movie. Hey, this kid's going far. All that kind of stuff. Are you sure you don't smoke cigars? I will if you want me to.

I'm going to send you a case of cigars after this. Suppose this is Frank Capra's office. Maybe it makes me go. This was Frank Capra's office? Apparently. You've got to be kidding. We had Paul Thomas Anderson a couple months ago, and he was pretty adamant. Yeah. was frank capra's office maybe it makes me capra's office apparently you've got to be kidding we had paul thomas anderson a couple months ago and he was i love pretty adamant yeah he's pretty adamant

that this frank capra's i love him he's the master was my favorite movie that year and there will be blood and inherent vice and he's fantastic so you frank capra this was his audience this was his office it seems like it was so it's a wonderful life i know in like the in like Capra, this was his audience? This was his office? It seems like it was. So it's a wonderful life. I know. In like the 30s, this was his office. Oh my golly. I know. So what does it mean?

That's why you're the mayor of Hollywood has so much energy right now. Well, I don't believe in- In the old Frank Capra grounds. Yeah, I don't believe in that stuff. You know, the leftover vibrations. Leftover energy? No, I don't.

Nope, I don't. Nope. I don't. Maybe he'd like tucked like one little piece of karma somewhere in these walls. Piece of karma. You acted. I don't know what you're talking about. You're a funny mix of a producer and you're like crazy person. You're like King Vidor and, and Swami Satchitananda. In the fly you acted with acted with your then girlfriend. Yes, yes.

Jean Davis. Yeah, she became my wife. Yeah, what's it like to do a movie with somebody you're dating? Well, it was delightful at the time. She's a wonderful woman and a wonderful actress. And we got to rehearse all the time, obsessively, you know, before it started. But how do you keep like the relationship stuff out of like the work we're doing a movie together stuff how does it overlap well yeah it

didn't need to in this case all the you know it was a very it's a it's a movie about two people having a very strong connection and then a tragic and then the guy's turning into a fly so that's a problem yeah yeah but usually for relationships can relationships can undermine them in some ways. If he's turning into a fly. When somebody's turning into a bug, yeah. Yes. Good idea for a movie. Don't you think so?

Good idea for a movie. Where's my cigar? You know, this is what I do with Charlie. We have a couple of leather chairs in the living room. And when he sits on one and I sit on the other one, I say, Charlie, let's have brandy and cigars. And I go, and then I put it in front of him and he goes, and then I give him some brandy, you know, but I'll pretend.

We pretend. He doesn't know what either of those are yet, but we're pretending. You did The Player with Altman second time. Altman's like the player. The player, yes. We did four movies together. Yeah, he's always mentioned in the conversation of best ever, one of the best ever.

What made him special in your opinion? There's a Robert Altman award. I think that one of the Independent Spirit Awards is the Robert Altman award. Oh, he was fantastic. We did California Split together

and Nashville and The Player. Was he one of those like solicit your opinion? Was he a multiple take guy? Was he a multiple take guy? Was he a one take guy? Was he a lot of prep before? What kind of director was he? He was a, he's a real artist.

He was a real artist and kept, kept evolving. And like Miles Davis, you know, kept changing his wave of making movies and made different kinds of movies, directed plays at some point, did movies that were true to the lines of the play that he was adapting. Oh, I did Beyond Therapy with him too. We did four movies together. But famously early on, he was very improvisational and would take

the script as a kind of a blueprint. He did that in Nashville and California split and a very minimal, didn't like to rehearse much. So you could be doing a scene with somebody and you'd be having coffee and you just try it eight different ways. And he would just be curious to see which one worked. Something like that. He was visionary, but was a kind of a master host and, and guide. And his sensibility was very strong his sense of humor was strong and and and he was very trustful uh to the original part of your question yeah and so you felt really that he was he was collaborating with you and and that you had something to offer and you're gonna hate this question i am what okay would you rather work with that type of director or the type of director is like you're doing this do, do it this way, and you're just kind of fulfilling the spot of the job?

That's a very good, I like that question. Oh, good. You liked one of my questions. Because I'm a kind of a, I like all your questions. Thank you. I'm a kind of a craft geek, you know. I studied with good people, Sandy Meisner early on. I liked the classroom, and then I taught for a couple of decades.

So how you do things is of interest to me. And in the classroom, I would say to people, as I say to myself now, that you have to know how to do some different things and be able to work with different people. Explore the studio space a little bit. I don't know what you're talking about. Well, with the scene. Oh, okay. Explore the studio space. You have a dancer's kind of uh you know mentality too

you should see him moving around in here yes yes explore the space i think yeah the um but but here's what i like to do i like to be able to do a play uh for the david mamet play which i've done and all sorts of plays where you have to say every single line exactly the way it is including the dot dot dots which mean you take a pause there and you have to make it seem like you're improvising it. And on stage, you have to hit that light, you know, sometimes. And sometimes when you work with a great cinematographer like Gordon Willis, who did Annie Hall, they go, here, this way you're in the light, and this inch back this way, you're not in the light.

So do this, and in fact, look over that way. So you're physically constrained to it, and you've got to say all this inch back this way, you're not in the light. So do this. And in fact, look over that way. So you're physically constrained to, and you got to say all this stuff. That's got to be so hard. It's kind of demanding and like a spontaneous, lively affair. At the same time, I like to do the other thing where I let go like Taika Waititi, who directed Thor Ragnarok.

We improvised a lot of that. We made up lines and we did all kind of stuff in that. And I love doing that too. So I like doing both of them. Would you agree that there are some actors out there that just fucking love it? Cause like Pacino, I was talking to Brian Koppelman who did Ocean's 13. He does billions.

And he was saying they did this, they're doing Ocean's 13 with Pacino and they finish whatever the scene was. And Soderbergh's directing. And he's like, hey, Steven, let me do one more take just for me. There's no reason for it. He just really wanted to do one more and try a different thing and experiment with it,

even though he was done for the scene and he just could have gone back to his trailer. Yes, of course. That's the way I've always, I admire him because of that. He's a model for me. And from the very start of getting into this, I did it for the sheer joy and fun and adventure and romantic excitement of creative excitement of doing it. I didn't care what happened out of that.

I had no idea out of that. And yes, of course, you're doing it for the pleasure. And the people I work with now, this Wes Anderson is a genius director. He does, you know, many takes. And then he says, well, I think I got it. I've got everything I want. Now let's do, let's do one just for pleasure. And he does that too, because it's so delicious to act. It's such a rare privilege and, and it's just fantastic. You don't have to say who, but have you worked with a director that's one of those, I'm going to do so many takes, you're going to wear down until I get you to the point I want to get you to? No. Because there are directors out there who do that, right? They'll do like a hundred takes.

I guess, but even the ones I've heard of, I mean, Wes Anderson on Grand Budapest Hotel did a lot of takes. But because he had very kind of, he's a perfectionist and he wanted to kind of tweak it and still play around. He loves actors and working with him is a delicious kind of experience. But he wanted to keep playing around and moving in the spaces, exploring the space. He didn't do the arms. Yeah, exploring the space. And until he felt he'd had what he envisioned and until his appetite was satisfied. So yes, like that. But no, I've never had the other kind who went like,

hey, Jeff is too, I got to relax him. I got to get him into a different condition by just wearing him out. No, I never had that, I don't think. But directors that I've heard like that, I've been watching recently a lot of interviews about Stanley Kubrick. Yeah. Who apparently- He's having like a weird renaissance now all of a sudden.

Is he? Yeah, there's a big book that came out about him. And there's a lot of YouTube conspiracy documentaries about him these days. I'm fascinated by him and I love his movies. But he did famously a lot of takes. I never worked with him, but I'm not sure why he did them. But geez, it sounds good to me. You did Jurassic Park in 93, which became one of the biggest movies ever. Did you think that was going to happen when you made it? Well, this is going to be, I'm going to call my friend Bill zivins i'm bill i'm in the biggest movie ever this is gonna be the biggest movie ever but that was like a life-altering i mean the amount of people

that saw that movie but it was based on a big book and spielberg's directing it yeah so you had to know it was going to be yeah a blockbuster yeah life life would you hadn't really picked movies like that before? I was very lucky to be in that movie. I loved working with Steven Spielberg. It was a very wonderful creative experience with him. He's terrific. And working with him was very nourishing and nurturing. I liked that.

Yes, I think if I gave myself a moment to think that, yes, this book is popular, but I loved the book. I love the character in the book by Michael Crichton. Dinosaurs, if they do what it sounds like they're doing, they're going to make technology to bring them to people in a way they haven't seen. Gee, this might be a catch on. But it wasn't, you know, even a couple of decades ago, it wasn't like it is now where everybody is indoctrinated with your favorite uh um consideration which is how's this you know this is how's this gonna alter our lives and what's but you became the jurassic park guy to probably a whole new group of people it's been very fun that guy it's been very fun no not i'm It's been very fun. No, I'm not pointing it out there. I'm just pointing people aside.

I'm like, Jurassic Park. Yeah. It's fun to be recognized and people make drawings of you. And that's awful fun. And I'm in this next one, Jurassic World. And people are excited about that. Yeah, it's terrific that it caught on so widely and intensely for a lot of people. Now the special effects are better.

And now the special effects are better? Yeah, 25 years later, we can really make it seem like these dinosaurs are coming after you. I'll bet they can. In the old days, it was a lot of, like, the characters staring up. Well, that's how we did it. Yeah, I mean, it was...

But they still have to do that. I was on the set watching Chris and Bryce look at, you know, a tennis ball, and then later they're going to put in things, you know. But early on, we did some of that. Stan Winston did the puppetry, so we had real dinosaurs there that we could look at. But Dennis Murin did the award-winning CGI stuff

that he was pioneering. But yeah, I'll bet they keep improving all of that stuff. But I'm a particular fan, too, and I can't wait to see what J.A. Bayona does with the special effects and that whole movie. But I'm a fan of Wes Anderson's work in Isle of Dogs, where it's no CGI. It's all stop-motion animation.

Really? Which is kind of a throwback to Ray Harryhausen and Jason the Argonauts and all that stuff. Yes, it's very... What do you think made him want to do that? Well, he did it before with Fantastic Mr. Fox. This is another kind of miles ahead version of it. It's a very artful, beautiful, gorgeous art form.

And he's a master, and this is a masterpiece. Wait till you see it. When does it come out? It's out as of this last week in a few theaters, but then it's coming out more widely. There's a big wide release. There's a big wide release rolling out, as they say, here and there. Look to your local papers and theaters to see when.

But pretty soon it's going to be everywhere around. But the Isle of Dogs. Yeah, Isle of Dogs it's called. It's fantastic. You know the cast in Isle of Dogs? It's loaded. Loaded. But people love doing Wes Anderson movies.

It seems like he can kind of pick who he wants. I believe on this, the story goes that all his first choices did it. You get the call from Wes Anderson, you're like, I'll be there with you. Yeah, Bill Murray and Ed Norton and Bryan Cranston and Bob Alaban and Liev Schreiber, Harvey Keitel, Scarlett Johansson, Tilda Swinton, Greta Gerwig, Frances McDormand, Yoko Ono. Yoko Ono? Yes, Courtney B. Vance. Yes, yes.

Many people, all sorts of people. What did you learn from Spielberg? Well, Mr. Spielberg is quite brilliant. Well, he's wildly prepared, but when he comes to the set, having been prepared, he's present prepared, but when he comes to the set, having been prepared, he's present in the moment and improvisational. It's kind of a dual combo platter, you know, that allows him to be so alive and vibrant and imaginative on the set and on the spot and working with you. But I think it's because he's had that camera in his hand

since he was a kid. And it's like, you know, it's a second nature to him. And he's just great. Last day of the movie shoot, is he a handshake guy? Is he a one second hug guy? Or is he like a five second hug guy? Let me see. As he's saying goodbye to you.

And he's thanking you for being in the movie. He's wonderfully warm. Not only did we, I think, hug for at least five seconds, as I remember. Because you seem like a five second hugger. Oh yeah, I'll go on. You'll dole him out. Oh, I'll dole him out? Yeah, you'll, yeah, you'll, to deserving parties.

I like, I'm a people person and I like human contact of all kinds. Yes. I do. But like Stanley Kubrick, probably short handshake, maybe even not a handshake. I just, well,

listen to this. I just saw, I was, I watched eyes wide shut again, his last movie. Such a fucking weird, great movie. I love that movie.

Very provocative movie. And I just saw all sorts of interviews about it, analysis of it. And I just saw an interview with Tom Cruise about it. And he described saying goodbye to him after a year or two. Yeah, it was like two years. Two years, however long they were working on the movie. He said, I said to him, and he got tearful because now Stanley Kubrick had died. Yeah. And Tom Cruise was recalling all of this. It was almost my favorite thing that I'd ever seen Tom Cruise talk about. He said, at the end of this, I said, well, it's the last day. And he said, I dreaded it.

And I was, because I didn't want to say goodbye to Stanley, but I looked forward to it because I had enough of Dr. Bill. And he says, after the last shot, I looked at Stanley, and we were by ourselves, and I said, well, Stanley, I just want to thank you and tell you how much I love you. And he said, Stanley looked at me, and he said, I love you too, Tom. Thank you very much. And it was like that.

It was a very moving description of it. I'm shocked to hear that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. I'll bet Stanley Kubrick was a very wonderful, soulful, deeply intelligent and rooted person. Yeah. When you did Independence Day?

Yes. Will Smith was taken off. Do you feel like his career was? No. I had you for a second.'re like an agent you could be an agent you should you should be like this will smith guys going places you've got to get a job as an agent too maybe a side hustle but that was a massive movie i feel like the summer movie thing that was when summer movies became a thing that was now going to be in our lives for the rest of

eternity like speed had started in 94 i think twister was the year after yeah and then independence day and it's like this is now our life where you're going to have these giant summer movies no kidding lots of people in there i think jaws was maybe one of the jaws jaws started the initial wave started something yeah um well nothing's going to be for all of eternity, of course, as we know. You know, soon enough, people will be saying, what were those things called? People didn't watch them. Yeah. They sat in theaters with each other.

And that's when they had summer. That's when they released certain things. Yeah. That's when there was a summer. Yeah, that's when there was a summer. Now it's 110 degrees every day. Well, we hope we can stay around. Nobody will remember us or anything about this.

So, you know, that's how that goes. But yeah, but Independence Day was a nice summery, summer event that summer. It certainly was. I feel like everybody in my life has seen that movie probably. Oh, congratulations. It's like an under 30 kind of iconic cable movie. Okay, good news.

More good news. Grand Budapest Hotel. Yes, sir. That's the one that I did just before. Was that the first one with Wes Anderson? No, the first one with Wes Anderson was 13 years ago. Oh, the Steve Zissou. Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou starring Bill Murray and Cate Blanchett and Angelica Houston. Had you worked

with Bill Murray before? No, I had not. No, that was the first time. And he was amazing. Amazing. How did your energies vibe just out of curiosity? Because I always heard he was an eccentric kind of could go in any direction kind of guy i love him he's always keeps you on your toes and he's um surprising and interesting and wondrous and wonderful he's just always like that you can see i just saw uh because it was we did a whole bunch of Isle of Dogs publicity and they paired me and Bill and Bob Alaban together. It's not a pair anymore.

It's a troika of some kind. Anyway, I just saw the first one on Instagram, on YouTube somehow, of us sitting there for five minutes having a little conversation. Yeah, you'll see what our dynamic is like a little bit. Uh, who's the funniest person you've been on a set with? Cause you've had some classics, but you've been with some funny people over the years. Sure have. Well, Bill Murray is spectacularly funny.

Let's see. You did a movie with Eddie Murphy. You know who, huh? You did a movie with Eddie Murphy. Murphy is of course wonderfully funny. You know, I found? You did a movie with Eddie Murphy once. Murphy is, of course, wonderfully funny. You know who I found very, very funny is Jason Schwartzman. Interesting. Yep. Jason Schwartzman is very funny. He wrote this movie, Isle of Dogs, along with Roman Coppola, with Wes Anderson and Kunichi Nimura.

And he's very funny. Just like funny in the room. Huh? Funny in the room. Funny in the room. I'm not sure what that is. I think that's a comedian's, you know. Well, there's certain people, like if there's 10 people around,

certain people just have the need to entertain everybody. Yeah. Oh, I have all these people. He doesn't have that. He entertain everybody. Yeah. Oh, I have all these people. He doesn't have that. He does not have that. And sometimes that need, I sort of smell out and it turns off my funny bone. I don't want to be entertained. Yeah.

And I, you know, he's a deeply human person and he's unexpectedly funny sometimes. And he's not always funny and he's not always trying to be funny. Yeah. And I don't know if he ever wants to be funny necessarily in the way that you're talking about. He just happens to be surprising. He's amusingly funny. He's, yes, yes.

So who haven't you worked with that you've always wanted to work with at this point? I mean, we had the Jeff Goldblum game. You're connected to almost everybody, but like Tom Cruise you never worked with, right? I certainly haven't. No, no. I sure would like to work with P.T. Anderson, who worked with Tom Cruise, thinks the world of him.

You can see him on YouTube going on. Well, you guys have shared a couch, so that's a good start. He was right there three months ago. You feel his, he left some energy, him and Frank Capra. You think so? They left some energy for the podcast. Okay, if you say so. But yeah, no, that's amazing. So P.T. Anderson, I'd love to work with and the Coen brothers I've never

worked with and all sorts of people. Gee, I just did this movie called The Mountain that Rick Alverson directed. Wonderful director. He did a movie called Entertainment just before that. This is with me and Ty Sheridan, who stars in Ready Player One. Yeah, right. Speaking of the next Spielberg movie. I heard he was really good in that. He's fantastic.

He was in a Terry Malick movie early on and a Jeff Nichols movie, Joe and Mud. He's 20 years old now. He's from Austin. He's a spectacular person and a spectacular actor. It's him and old now. He's from Austin. He's a spectacular person and a spectacular actor. It's him and me and Udo Kier, an actor whom some people may know.

Oh, yeah. And Denis Lavon, this French actor who's in some unusual arty movies, who's in it. It's going to be an unusual movie. I'm excited about that. And you've never worked with Pacino? No Pacino? I've never worked with Pacino? No, Pacino. I've never worked. I've met him. De Niro?

I've never. Well, Mr. De Niro and I had a scene together that movie was shelved. We rehearsed it for a moment called Bogart Slept Here. But no, we never worked together. So what are you going to learn in this incarnation

of you as a dad with these two small kids? life lessons have you learned so far that's a very good question well you're a dad too yeah um i'm earlier on in the process i feel like it was so far away now having the two tiny kids again i can't it seems like it was a hundred years ago well i'm so moved and touched it opens up my heart, and system. I think that's part of it. And I've learned how wonderful my wife is. If I didn't know it before, she was an athlete, by the way, she was in the Olympics for Canada. She was a rhythmic gymnast. Seriously? Oh yeah. She was the Pan-American champion that year. She was the best rhythmic gymnast. You married a Canadian Olympic rhythmic gymnast. Yes, I did. Amazing. And then she learned after her competition ended, she learned a Cirque du Soleil kind of aerial stuff.

And that's what she does now. And when I met her, she doubled Emma Stone for La La Land. She did that aerial dancing outside the planetarium in that scene. Wow. She does stuff like that. Anyway, I've seen her in a different way since we've had kids. She's a deeply wonderful person and mother, and she's just fantastic.

I'm opened up in ways that I haven't been before. I was just, oh, I know. Yesterday I saw you. It's a far before, long ago for you. But I saw the younger one, River Joe, take his first step, really, yesterday. He's been pulling himself up. Right.

They want it to happen so bad. Yeah. Yeah, although I like this approach where you don't rush them or put them in a position where they figure it out on their own. That's how they learn. You're not teaching them anything. Like this table right here. Yeah, but he's so excited and he's so he makes these

screeches this morning they were singing together making these screeches together the two kids they were just fantastic thrilling but yesterday when he started to like hold on with one hand and kind of you know do a little walking i got choked up yeah it's just they're just fantastic you know i found this old computer i had with all these pictures from when my kids were tiny and it honestly i was like oh my god it's like oh my god and i dropped charlie off at school today and sometimes i drop him off and sometimes you know the teacher says you know so you want to give a hug and yesterday no, I'm okay. Cause he was already involved with, you know, but he's, he's, we're in a very good, he, we're, we're, we're, we adore each other these

days. And I hope that continues, but today I dropped him off and he, and he said, okay, you want to give dad a hug? He was across the room. He ran, ran to me into my arms. We hugged for more than five seconds and yeah i kissed him and then and then teacher sarah said something else to me he went back and then before i left he ran back and gave me a second time you know i know this makes it boring that's great when they unconditionally love you it was just fantastic yeah it definitely shifts 10 years later yeah they love they love you my daughter loves me but she's also like there's a there's an angle half the time it changes oh yeah oh you want me to drive you to the grove okay i

see oh i see what you're doing they are very pure at this point they're just pure so pure when they're lovers and you know and of course they have every color emotionally in the rainbow he's sort of unhappy sometimes about his younger brother and hits him and gets mad at us. So you're going to like these pre-K little soirees and like the end of the year singing thing where they'd put them all out and they'd try to sing. They're doing that stuff? I haven't done it. The little events? The parent events?

Well, yes. It's coming. I'm just telling you, it's in your future. You like him? What do you think? Yeah, it's good. It'll just be funny for you because you'll have the couple of telling you, it's, it's in your future. You like him. What do you think? Yeah, it's good. It'll just be funny for you. Cause you'll have the couple of parents like,

Hey man, Jeff Goldblum. How are you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. Everybody.

It's a, it's a common denominator. Yeah. Lowering. Isn't it? You know, I mean, it's a conversation starter.

It's a conversation. Yeah. Maybe I'm in the movies, but the kids, what do we think about our kids? Yeah. How are you doing with the sleeping or the pooping or whatever? And it's just great.

You got to butter those people up. The mayor of Hollywood, your term's coming up soon, 2018. You got to run for reelection. I'm not running for anything. No, I'm out of office. Thanks for coming on. Isle of Dogs. It seems like you're proud of this one. I'm thrilled. I'm actually no kidding around. Just very proud to be any Isle of Dogs. It seems like you're proud of this one. I'm thrilled. I'm actually, no kidding around, just very proud to be any little part of this.

It's a masterpiece. It's one of the great movies, I believe, in the continuum of art cinema. And I had a delicious experience on it, and I love all these people on it. But to be part of a movie like this is a very lucky, proud-making thing. Yep. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.

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