The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Annual Worst NBA Contracts Draft With Joe House and Wosny Lambre

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House and Wosny Lambre to discuss the best player in the NBA right now and underrated subplots before diving into their annual Worst NBA Contracts Draft (3...:01). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Wosny Lambre and Joe House Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo Sam’s Club | Join The Club of Yes And TaxAct makes it easy to file your taxes and get your maximum refund. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:55 Was, where did CR month rank for you on the happiest moments for you this decade? Is it up there in top seven? I mean, it's always CR month for me, personally. So it's just another month. You know, like I'm, I'm listening to all the, all 80 CR pods anyway. So there's no, there's no difference for me. That's fair. That's it. House, that seems to be the consensus that every month is CR month. We just basically put a name on it. He's beloved. The thing that I will say is, you know, in my life, I've had a lot of people over
Starting point is 00:01:28 the year say, how can it be that this tremendous show, rewatchables, where there's a home base right there in Los Angeles, has not done LA Confidential. I know. It's going to be next week. We're recording next week. So, Sierra Month, we put up to live and die in L.A. today. We have the nice guys coming next week.
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Starting point is 00:03:08 older to purchase membership, and membership is subject to qualifications. Visit sammsclub.com slash yes-end for details. All right, fellas, I don't remember when we started doing this. I just remember that I want to keep doing it for the rest of my life. When Was told us, he was leaving the ringer. I was just immediately like, but we're still going to get to do worst contracts, right? If that actually happened on the phone.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Yeah, we had an emotional phone call. But before we do worst contracts, I went to Clippers Spurs last night. Mm-hmm. And I had really good seats. My friend Mark Simino took me. I sat court side. I was on the wood.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Wembe is the best player I've seen all season. Wow. And I've seen all the players. I know. I intentionally didn't tell. this to you house. SGA's going to win the MVP. SGA looks like he's
Starting point is 00:04:26 veering into this Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant area. I think it's already happened. He has a chance to, he's going to win MVP, his chance to be finals MVP two years in a row. I cannot believe how good Wembe is, how hard he plays, and how much he affects
Starting point is 00:04:43 both ends of the floor, but especially the defense. We were just counting all the shots. He changes alters or makes the guy change his mind. And it was almost 30. And he just, he never lets up. He's just going hard the entire time. And the impact that he has on a game, I just thought it was the most impactful thing I've seen.
Starting point is 00:05:03 I've seen a great Yolkage game this year. I saw a great SGA game this year. Like, I just think he's the most impactful. I don't think that means he's going to win MVP. But, but, was, it did change how I'm feeling about the playoffs and whether San Antonio can really stick it to OKC and everybody else. What do you think? Yeah, you start the year.
Starting point is 00:05:23 I'm pretty skeptical of a young team like that and their ability to dominate playoff series. But as the year progresses and they take down team after team in big matchups where, you know, we watch enough NBA games where we could tell when both teams are actually going as hard as they can. Yeah. And it's been a bunch of these games,
Starting point is 00:05:45 the Detroit games, the OKC games, the Denver game. every single game I'm watching, I'm like, man, these guys are trying their hardest. Denver, Wemby didn't even play. These guys had to become superheroes in the fourth quarter
Starting point is 00:06:01 to even pull that game out. And yeah, you mentioned the defense, which obviously I think we all thought he would become this kind of defensive play. But to me, his offense is just way ahead of schedule where, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:15 it's not that he's not taking jump shots anymore. He's just taking way better kinds. of jump shots where they put a you know they put a little six nine guy on him and he catches the ball at 18 feet doesn't even put the ball on the floor gives a fake jab steps just like I'm going to shoot over you and it's almost
Starting point is 00:06:31 like I'm placing the ball right in the basket. Yeah. And that's not to mention what he's able to do at the cup and so to me offensively is where it just goes to another level because I didn't think he would be this potent this quickly. Clippers tried Chris Don on him that
Starting point is 00:06:47 lasted about four minutes. They basically put everyone on their team on him. House, he had one play in the second half, and it was in front of us. He was on the right block, and he did this swirling spin move and did this, like, Dr. J. lefty flip, George Gervin, like, just three-foot flip shot. And the whole crowd was like, oh, fuck. Like, he has five, oh, fuck moments just for the crowd in person where you're just like, I've never seen that.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And I think that thing that really stuck out. to me yesterday just watching the team, you know, Castle's a badass. Like Castle, to me, is moved into the third team all-M-Ba conversation. I don't know if I'm going to vote for him, but he's at least on my little bubble list. But everybody in that Fox,
Starting point is 00:07:33 all these dudes play really hard. But Wemby is the one, I'm shocked how hard he plays. Almost to the point where you fear for his safety. Like, yo, maybe don't play this hard, but I just think that's what he does. Yeah, he's got that young guy intensity. He doesn't know.
Starting point is 00:07:49 better. He's out there to break everybody down and collect names and put them all in the graveyard. He's putting up tombstones right now. That's the stage of his career. But the thing, I went through the mental checklist, as you were saying, he's the best player you saw this show. I was like, wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:08:06 SGA, the Joker. I know. I don't feel great about saying it. I'm just telling you how I felt watching it. I was like, I can't believe what's happening. I think it's a fair point. I think it's a fair point. I will still reserve judgment until we get to the playoffs because the way this the seating in the west is lining up, it looks completely outrageous. We might get like the spurs and the Lakers in the
Starting point is 00:08:32 first round. We might get the spurs in Minnesota in their first round. And we know this. The OGs know this. The playoffs are a radically different animal. And I think that healthy skepticism that we OGs feel around, okay, young team, you did your thing in the regular season. We, all give out the flowers because it was a thing of beauty the way they stepped up the physicality of San Antonio when you say castle that that castle fox, they just get into you. They get into you. I love that. The kid that came in and I've been watching this last couple weeks, but Carter Brian came in,
Starting point is 00:09:07 he's a fucking huge dude. Like if you didn't know anything, you would think he was like a center. I think he's six nine. And there was one time in the first half he said, or maybe a second half, he said, he was just at mid-court and set a pick on somebody. I think it was Garland who didn't see him. And he ran into him. I was like watching somebody run into a tree.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Like he's huge already. And they played a tiny bit. Cornette didn't play last night. So they played a little small ball five with him. And I was like, this is, this is not nothing right now. But the wemby thing, the point Waz made about the offense being ahead of schedule.
Starting point is 00:09:45 There's a lot of jump shots with that team. I was trying to, As I was watching last night, I was trying to think, like, how does this go sideways? They were up 16, 18, 20. And they do have these little stretches where somebody going an 80 run, 9-0 run, and I don't always love the shots San Antonio gets. And ultimately, it's probably going to come down to Fox, whether Fox can figure out a Fox Wemby thing.
Starting point is 00:10:09 But it's weird to say he's the best player I've seen because I don't think he's the best part in the league. but I also think maybe we underrate the defensive impact-wise of just when somebody's that special. It's almost like we don't know how to calibrate in our heads because it's like there's two sides of basketball,
Starting point is 00:10:26 there's offense and defense. And when somebody is that far ahead of everyone else in the league on defense, I wonder how we calibrate that. Yeah, I think that's the ultimate question. I think me, I personally, my favorite performance individually so far the year,
Starting point is 00:10:42 outside of Bam out of Bio Brick and Kobe's record which made me super happy is SGA that game against Boston in the fourth quarter what he was doing it was
Starting point is 00:10:57 like you said Mike and Kobe it felt like that watching it in real time and I was actually watching it with Paul and he was just like man they got to get the ball out of his hands because if he gets a shot off
Starting point is 00:11:09 it's going in And he's dictating the pace And he's getting to whatever spot he wants And he's so calm He's so poised And it's the second they send That extra bit of help Or that extra bit of, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:25 shading the defense He's whipping it out there to his open guys I just think his command On offense right now Especially we see it every year in the playoffs Eventually you just got to put the ball In your best player's hands And trust that amazing things are going to happen
Starting point is 00:11:40 And with SGA right now, to me, that's the guy that's like, that's the guy right now. Yeah, no question. Even with Yokic, he has to kind of get set up. You don't want Yokic starting his attack from the three-point line. He can start his attack from wherever. It's lethal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Well, the command he has on offense probably rivals the command Wemby has on defense. In the playoffs, I would trust the offense. Oh, yeah. So I think there's too many ways the defense can go sideways. You get in foul trouble. You can land on somebody's leg, all that stuff. It's interesting that Wembe's moved in that conference. Like, we're doing Ringer 100 voting this week.
Starting point is 00:12:18 SGA is probably going to get the first spot, which I think is the first time Yokic has lost. It's not like Yokic isn't having an awesome year. But I think the end of the game stuff with Denver has to affect how you think about Yokage, at least like 1%, right, House? For sure. And if you look at the last 10 games
Starting point is 00:12:35 where it starts to feel like Oklahoma City understands the moment and understands, We're now getting to the point in the season where let's get some of these playoff chops going. They have two wins against Denver, speaking of, both of which were close games. Good wins. They have a win against Boston. They have a win against Minnesota. They have a win on the road against the Knicks.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Like, they're understanding the moment, and that's why we're seeing this version of SGA. I mean, I don't have any issue whatsoever with them taking that middle chunk of the season and like, yeah, we've got some injuries. Yeah, we're going to get some. some rest. Yeah, we're going to take some Ls along the way here. It's okay. We'll be fine. Now look at the stretch that we're in right here now where there are, it looks like they're kind of coming into form to me. Well, one thing with Wembe guys, because I was really watching him carefully last night. We, House and I are old, so I've seen basically every good center since the mid-70s. And Kareem was somebody who was really durable. Part of it was how he played.
Starting point is 00:13:36 He didn't play as hard as Wemby night tonight. He did in the playoffs. But, um, But had that really, I think Karim was 7-4, long, skinny, but athletic. Like when you saw him run, you weren't like, oh, man, what's that going to look like in 10 years? Like he, he, when be, I'm not saying he's gliding, but it looks better when you watch it, where you're like, all right, I can see that guy lasting while, the way he moves around. But the big thing with him, because he falls a lot. Like it's, you know, he gets knocked down. He might land on somebody's foot.
Starting point is 00:14:09 He knows how to fall. which is a weird thing to say about some of the best athletes in the world, but some guys don't necessarily 100% know how to fall. And he has these falls. And it's almost like he must practice them on like a trampoline or, you know, on a big canvas thing or something. Say it was like four times where I go, no. And then he just gets up.
Starting point is 00:14:30 And the fall is never as bad as it seems like it's going to be. So I don't know. I'm more intrigued by these playoffs than anything we've had in a long time. just because what House said earlier about these weird matchups, even now the Lakers, at least being, you could talk yourself into them in a series, maybe Luca just getting hot for four out of seven games, who knows, then the East.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Watching the Celtics last night where there was some real, I don't know, did you guys see that game last night? I watched it. I watched it. Some really interesting Jalen Tatum stuff in that game where Jaylen's like, I got this and just took over the last five minutes. Tatum was on the side, and it was like, I didn't know for sure that was going to happen.
Starting point is 00:15:09 happened this year, but it happened. So there's just a lot going on. What's your favorite subplot as we had into April was? Well, I think the East playoffs are going to be fascinating. Like, I'm on the record. I'm not this big Detroit is heading shoulders above anybody. No, that's done. I still think the NICs, because of their sort of cohesion and continuity,
Starting point is 00:15:35 I know they don't do it night to night, but they've showed me enough spurts like, all right, man, you guys are capable of playing competent defense. Right. And I think they're going to do it in the playoffs. And then the OKC game they had, I thought, was a good loss for them. They at least show that they could swim in those waters. You know what I mean? Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:15:54 And in Boston, man, I'm just blown away by what they're doing this year. And I've said it a bunch of times. Brad Stevens doesn't have a bunch of sycophants in the media. So nobody's calling them a genius and nobody's up his ass like they do certain other GMs. Brad Stevens is GMing his ass off this year. To put these randos together and a bunch of white guys nobody ever heard of. And these guys are getting serious minutes.
Starting point is 00:16:22 And when you watch it, the level of execution and focus and attention to detail that Boston plays with, obviously, Missoula deserves a lot of credit. But these are scrap heat dudes that are just playing their tails off for Boston. I'm just intrigued by the whole Eastern Conference thing at the top. I'm kind of off Cleveland. The Hardin thing was dope when it started and I was like, yeah, we all come to our census.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Yeah, I got sucked in again like an idiot. And I'm now like, why did I even entertain that? I'm really intrigued by the East playoffs. And I think, you know, okay. And then Miami and Orlando is like just, who knows? Who knows? And meanwhile Charlotte's a 10 seed. They'd have to win right now two playing games
Starting point is 00:17:06 just to get into the playoffs. Love Charlie. Yeah, it's Detroit's probably the one out of the top four I feel the worst about. I think it's really hard for them to score. You know, one thing that the Celtics have, house that has happened all year
Starting point is 00:17:22 and it happened again in the Phoenix game last night, they bring in the dragons, like at near the end of the first quarter, and they just flip the flow of the game. They'll bring in, you know, two of like Hugo, Shireman, sometimes with Walsh. And these guys come in, they just try their ass off.
Starting point is 00:17:40 And they're a lot of times going against second strings or second string point guards or backup wings. And the crowd will really get into it. I think that's going to be an intriguing wrinkle too. Like they can kind of survive a bad six minutes and then come back. And I don't know where this is going. All right. Celtics are the biggest and best wild card for sure.
Starting point is 00:17:58 But my underrated subplot, oh, yeah. Apologies in advance. the Lakers? I know. The Lakers? Bill's not bad. The Lakers.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Did you see what JJ said last night? I did not. He was like, I think it's clear to everybody now, or something like that, that LeBron is going to be our third, our number three usage guy, the rest of the way.
Starting point is 00:18:24 He said something like that. He's 48 years old. But he basically, he made a point of saying, this guy's going to have the ball, the third amount of, of time out of Reeves, Luca, and LeBron. And we're just, this is who we are now.
Starting point is 00:18:38 I don't think they knew that a month ago was. Which is insane to me because you just watched the games, especially Austin Reeves, the way he started the season, like a bat shot out of hell. And every single game that I watch him now, I just hear cash registers ringing, honestly. And you can tell he's smelling it. He could feel the max contract coming his way.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And I love that for him. I don't know. You watch LeBron with the ball. He's just not a threat. Defensees don't treat him as if he's a threat. He doesn't draw help anymore. It doesn't matter who they switch on to him. Sometimes he'll beat up on a little guy, a smaller defender.
Starting point is 00:19:17 And that's nice. That's what he needs to be doing. But defenses will switch anybody onto him. Yeah. They don't play conventional picking roll coverage on him anymore. It's just like he's not going to beat us one-on-one with a move when he's on the ball. So it's like, get off my ball. give it to the two guys who can create.
Starting point is 00:19:35 And he's starting to figure that out. He's figured out the win for me is to actually be the third best guy in this team. What else were you going to say about the Lakers? I rudely interrupt the defense. The defense. It's the defense. They held the Knicks to 97 points. They held Houston and 92 points.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Now those are slower, you know, that especially the Houston game. But I just keep losing money betting against the Lakers. And their defense is vastly improved. And their rebounding is vastly improved. in this stretch that we've seen them where they beat the Knicks, they beat Minnesota, they beat Denver,
Starting point is 00:20:07 they beat Houston, and all those games matter to all those teams because all those teams are jockeing for position, you know, getting ready for this playoff run and those,
Starting point is 00:20:17 not one element of those wins was fluky, and it looks like, you know, all JJ said last night was what we were kind of watching with our own eyes, which is it's Luca and Reeves,
Starting point is 00:20:28 and then LeBron's a great, you know, sort of third option. But the IQ element of it, especially on defense, if they, I'm interested in seeing I haven't had a chance to sit down with net ratings over this six-game stretch that they're on or whatever. No, it's like 12 games and they're in the top four. Yeah. So a couple counters, things I'm holding my hat, hanging my hat on just because I hate the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:20:52 DeAndre Aitin's involved. That's dominating is involved. It's involved. Can't trust him. He's on a team. He's on the team. physically has not really made it through a season in at least three years. Now, he looks like he's in the best shape.
Starting point is 00:21:06 He's been in a while, but he's had a bunch of different injuries, and they're playing in big minutes, and I think that's alarming. And then LeBron's 40 years old, and he's played 41. Including the 41, including the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:21:17 he's played over 70,000 minutes, and you're playing in big minutes, and there's going to be situations where he's going to have to guard people. All right. Okay. Enough four play. We're going to take a break. And then the worst contracts of 2026 is next.
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Starting point is 00:23:08 And we are talking about them as assets only. This is a league that just signed a $76.4 billion media contract, whatever that was, 80 billion. I can't remember. News finally broke this week about the expansion that they're going to be voting on expansion at the Board of Governors meeting, which conspiracy built out the timing of that announcement was pretty interesting because everybody knew that this was happening for months and
Starting point is 00:23:35 they put it out and they almost put it out in a way to, in my opinion, try to shift the sentiment with the 30 owners. They need 23 votes. There's a Dolan coalition and I think Isbis in there too and a couple others that, why are we doing this? I'd rather have my 130th media share. So I thought the timing of that announcement was intriguing, maybe to try to bump up. up what the number could get to, $8 billion, $8 billion, $9 billion, whatever. Maybe if it gets above eight, maybe even the
Starting point is 00:24:05 people who were against this, like, all right, fuck it. But I do think, I don't think this is a slam dunk. And I don't know what Seattle group has $8 billion dollars ready to roll. There's a bunch of Vegas groups all attached to famous players that we know, like
Starting point is 00:24:20 LeBron, Shaq, Curry, Magic Johnson, his hat was in the ring. Seattle, I'm not sure where they get the money, but this all seems positive. Anyway, we're all happy for all these guys. There's going to be 30 new jobs coming in and they'll probably be more bad contracts-wise. 100%. And one thing to all the things you said about the players and the contracts, we're happy for you guys and your families. Another thing that I would say is if we could see what the owners were making and revenues and franchise valuation increases, Lord, would I love to do that? Oh my God. But we can't because those get to be
Starting point is 00:24:57 opaque and secret and, you know, kind of gives you an idea about how the system works. But I did love, because I'm a hoop-type guy when it comes to the salary stuff. I loved looking at all of these salaries and just being reminded about how much of this stuff just changes from year to year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And also just like, man, some of these contracts are just like still, it's way less than it used to be like we always say. But there's still a few out there that's like, man, this is tough. You know, it's funny. I was thinking the same thing about how there's less than, I feel like we had more to work with in the 22 ranch house.
Starting point is 00:25:34 I think the apron stuff has really hurt, hurt this draft. I still think we're all going to be pleased with the results, but I don't think the ceiling is as high as it was in the 21 area. But yeah, screw the aprons. I totally agree. This is, I came in. I'm honestly sad because there aren't as many. bad contracts as we've grown accustomed to.
Starting point is 00:25:59 I don't know if we can get to, we can definitely do 15. Each of us can have five guys. That's very easy. Yeah. Is it easy to get to 20? Like, then you have to start quibbling around the edges a little bit. No,
Starting point is 00:26:10 but I think that's the fun part of this. There's going to be some, if we each have to draft 10, there's going to be some fun names. Yeah, there's going to be some good ones as we get down the list. Some surprises. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:25 All right. We'll give, Waz, you can have the first pick. Oh, this is a guess. I'll take the second pick and I'll go third. So, Waz, because you haven't been on in a while, it's great to have you back in the ringer circles. So you get the easy first pick here. Come on down, Philadelphia 76ers.
Starting point is 00:26:44 It's Joel Embed. Oh. Oh, I'm surprised. Are you? I thought it might be another sixer there. Okay. No, that other sixer only has two years left on his deal after this one, whereas Embed does.
Starting point is 00:26:57 After this season is over, Bill. Yeah. 60 million, 64 million, 70 million. How many games has Joelle played this year? And even when he plays, he's constantly in a stage of ramping up. Yeah. And then he ramps up, and then he has
Starting point is 00:27:13 to sit again. So the guy's not going to play. And half the time when he does play, he's ramping up to being an effective player. We know his knee is not getting better. it's getting worse and he's got
Starting point is 00:27:28 190 million or something like that left on the deal. Started next year. Yeah. This is the first of a four-year 243.5 million dollar extension house. Yes. Yeah, look. I don't think his shooting coach
Starting point is 00:27:47 did him any help when he played like 12 games in a row and the shooting coach was like, see? See? Hey, Ringer. It's like, all right. Settle down. Let's see if he can play for two straight months. House, did you have him first or second? Oh, he was an easy first. And part of the reason for that is because there is a player that was on the Philadelphia 76ers until the trade deadline.
Starting point is 00:28:10 And then they got rid of that player who's still on a rookie effing contract because they decided that, you know, asset wise, they don't want to pay the luxury tax because they have so much of their cap committed to two guys. And Jared, mother effing McCain is expendable? Hello? I mean, this team has a pathway, right? They caught the greatest good fortune ever by the tank job they did last season when Joel couldn't play and got the third overall pick in a very good draft. And then they have role players around it. No more McCain, expendable.
Starting point is 00:28:46 We can't figure out how to get him time. We can't figure out, and we don't want to pay the luxury tax because why? because why? Help me understand what's going on there, Philadelphia. They gambled and they lost and I respect it. I do respect Darrell. They get a rocket's first. They got some seconds. Congrats. Joel and Bede last three years. 33 games, 19 games, 33 games.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Wow. 12 seasons. He's played in 485. He's missed. It will be 486 tonight because I think they play. I went back and I looked at all the centers that House and I have grown up with over the years and watched the injury prone list, right? So Joel's at 485. Bill Walton, 468 and 13 seasons. That's how many he played. Damn. Yao Ming, 486 and nine seasons. Ralph Samson, 456 and nine seasons. Sam Bowie, 511 and 11 seasons. Andrew Bynum. How many games do you think, Andrew Bynum played career? He's got to be in the 300s. What do you think, guys? Totally agree. 118 and nine seasons.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Yeah, so just just north. Brad Doherty, 548 and 10 seasons. So these are, that's one, I just gave you six other guys who were in this high, 400s low, 500s range, who had a bunch of injuries, who missed a bunch of time,
Starting point is 00:30:08 and it did not get better. Boget was at 706 for 14 seasons. So that's probably the peak. And then I looked at, I remember Ogascus and Rick Smith's being more injury prone than they actually were looking at their basketball. Those guys actually played. a lot of games. I was surprised.
Starting point is 00:30:24 It's not, this is not looking good. Big picture. Like I don't, it's, why is he is Embed in the league three years from now? So here's the thing. That piece that came out over the summer from ESPN, and I forget the writer's name, I always forget this dude's name. He did an incredible job where he got a candid, Joel Embed feature. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:48 It gave you a beauty, like one of the best pieces I've read. in five years, 100%. And he gave you a beautiful insight into Joelle's thinking, like the sort of stages of his career, and all of that stuff. And reading that piece, I came away with that from one thing.
Starting point is 00:31:06 This guy's resigned to his fate. It's over. He knows his body's never going to cooperate. Yeah. He signed this big deal. He's going to play out the string. He's going to ride off into the sunset with his 600 million in earnings
Starting point is 00:31:19 or something like that. And God bless him. he worked his ass off for it. But again, even like, you know, back in like January, December, when Joie was having some awesome offensive nights and it looked like the defense was coming back. And I'm like, man, this is so cool to watch. Just knowing in the back of my head, this is just not sustainable.
Starting point is 00:31:41 And the sad truth is it's not going to change. None of this is going to change. And the worst contracts draft, off to a somber start. I remember there was a, I felt like there was a moment when World Wide West and Leon Rose took over the Knicks and Joelle was still playing well, but you could kind of see the finish line a little closer than maybe whatever, that I feel like they could have traded him for everything they gave up for bridges
Starting point is 00:32:09 and probably more stuff, right? And just been like, you know what? We took this as far as it can go. Let's just cash in now. We have Darrell. let's try to fit, but they went the other way. They did the Paul George extension to make, I guess it beat happier. And I'm guessing that's your number two pick, Joe House?
Starting point is 00:32:31 It sure is. Let's just get Philly off our chest and be done with them. Let's clear them. Let's clear them off of our cap space. That's exactly right. I mean, the Paul George signing in and of itself at the time they did it. And Darrell's just, it's how he operates. It's his M.O.
Starting point is 00:32:48 can I get three of the top 20 players in the league? You know, you can say whatever you want to say about Paul George is a top 20. But the time they signed him, the year he was coming off. Give up a really good year. Put 74 games. Incredible defense that year. And then he got that contract. He got the extra year that he wanted it.
Starting point is 00:33:06 He has a player option two years from now for almost $57 million. That's getting picked up. Yeah. I bet he exercises that. I facted that into the contract. Yeah, he exercises that. still $110 million left after this season. He promptly arrived in Philadelphia and played 41 games,
Starting point is 00:33:22 and he's at 27 right now working off this drug suspension. I will say, I will say, they are interesting as mother efforts. If indeed Maxie's ankle can, you know, be ready in time for playoffs and then be, they are interesting. I was somebody last night who made this prediction to me. He was a Knicks fan worried about,
Starting point is 00:33:46 Nick Sixers round one. I was like, please don't worry about that. This is not a war. I don't know. It's not a worry house. It's not a word. Two years ago,
Starting point is 00:33:58 they had all their players and the Knicks beat them. I know. I did text House and Sal a couple and Hitch, what, six weeks ago, I was like,
Starting point is 00:34:06 the Sixers had just played an awesome game and Bede was great in it. And I was like, did the Sixers at the highest ceiling of any team in the East? And like the moment,
Starting point is 00:34:15 they played the Knicks two days later and Bede fell down 20 times, got hurt a couple games later, and the moment it was over. But this is, over the course of a series where you have to potentially play seven games in two weeks, I don't see it. So Paul,
Starting point is 00:34:29 George is not unavailable. He's perpetually unavailable. When he's not injured, he's getting suspended for we don't know what. I think I know what the guy's suspended for. There's some guesses. We can pretend we don't know what the drug is that he got suspended. 25 games
Starting point is 00:34:46 for. Okay, cool. Well, we know what it was. When he is playing, right, I I saw an interview he gave. I think it was a post game where he's like, my job is to set good screens, keep the ball moving, space the floor,
Starting point is 00:35:02 play defense. And I'm like, yo, he's right. And he's elite when he's doing all of that. But man, we pay guys $55 million to do that now? No, we don't. That's a 25. He's a role player. If he was getting 25, 30 million bucks, you would not bat.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Exactly. It's his age 35 year and he's got another 110 million dollars left. That's why it's ridiculous. I blacked out. Are we talking about LeBron or Paul George? Oh, here we go. Here we go. Why would you do that to LeBron? Here we go. Just jokes. LeBron plays. LeBron plays. I'm mad about the Lakers resurgence.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I know. LeBron plays. So Paul George has played in the 2020s, if we include the 2000s, 1920 season. He's played 331 games. He had a 25 game suspension that cost him $11.7 million, but also save Philly enough money that they got close
Starting point is 00:36:00 to the tax that convinced them, fuck it, let's trade Jared McCain. So in a weird way, the suspension which seemed like it was a gift for Philly led to this trade that enrages all the Sixer fans. Wait, so suspensions. Does it count the tax?
Starting point is 00:36:15 You're not. not paying the guy. Wow. Yeah. So it saved them, it saved them all this tax money and gave them the idea, oh, we could reset our tax this year.
Starting point is 00:36:23 I shouldn't talk too much shit because my team traded Anthony Simons for Busevich. Probably could have used Simons. But yeah, if you look at the Mori stuff, it's really like either really good or really awful. And there's no in between. Like the maxi pick was really good.
Starting point is 00:36:42 Even the McCain pick was good. The late tank. to get VJ at three. VJ was a good pick. Maybe you say con Cinnipple at three, I don't know. The Hardin-Simmons deal, I think, was pretty good. The Grimes trade was good. But then not trading Simmons for Halberton,
Starting point is 00:37:00 the Paul George signing, the Embeddead extension, the second Hardin trade to the Quippers and the McCain trade. Just a lot of home runs and strikeouts, basically. Here's my thing about Darrell. And I've, you know, I've had a bunch of criticisms of him
Starting point is 00:37:15 over the years, mainly about just like the propagandish ways that he approaches media, which is smart and I get it. I understand why he has to do it. I kind of roll my eyes at it. Sometimes the only thing I'll say, man, he goes for it. Yeah, he does. He's not one of these GMs that's like,
Starting point is 00:37:33 in six years, we're going to be incredible. It's like, no, every single year this guy is trying to find an edge and trying to make his team better that freaking year. Yeah. Every year he's doing that. And I respect the hell out of Darrell for that, honestly. I'm up with the third pick.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Sadly, the two and sixers are off the board. This is an interesting, interesting couple ways to go. You know, there's a pick that seems like an easy pick, and yet the heart wants what the heart wants. At number three, I'm taking Jared Jackson, Jr. Wow. Five years, $240 million. I just don't
Starting point is 00:38:15 I just don't get it That's a garden variety extension I just don't get it Career Outraged by that I don't understand this Career 18 points a game 5.6 rebounds
Starting point is 00:38:28 This is career averages 1.9 blocks I looked up I went on stathead and I tried to figure out all these different ways to figure out Has there ever been a better player who didn't rebound?
Starting point is 00:38:42 and who blocked shots and scored, but just didn't really care about getting rebounds ever. It's only eight guys ever average 17 points a game, under eight rebounds a game, and over one block a game. And all of them are forwards except for Joe Barry Carroll and Chris Stap's Porzingis. He's an unusual player in a way that I don't know
Starting point is 00:39:04 makes him a winning player. And we just saw it on Memphis the last two years. As the league got better, I'm fine with him if he's 25 million year, 28 million year. I don't want to pay him this much money. I just think he's too expensive. And the amount of years on the deal is what scares me. I just, because there's other guys that will go over and either the contracts are shorter
Starting point is 00:39:28 or the money's not as long. This one, I just, it really jumped out to me. I thought it was too much. I didn't even really like that they traded the first round picks for him. Wow. I'm not there with you in the sense that I didn't even have Jaron Jackson on here because I think I went that rogue yeah yeah for me for me I don't have him either I think he's clinton have him no 240 million dollars he's he's nobody defensive player of the year you you went
Starting point is 00:40:00 through a whole list of things about the attributes of his game it didn't mention the word defense one effing time where was the defense the last two years so he's I'm a rams submarine that team. You can't try and say, give me the sample size with this Memphis team. I have to pay all this money to him but then I have to put other players next to him to hide all the things he can't do. So, why do I have to do that?
Starting point is 00:40:23 Bill is right in the sense that this guy is nobody's idea of a number one player in any way, shape, or form. Like, I'll give you an example, like a Dwight Howard in his prime. He's number one. He shows up, you have a top three defense. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:38 most centers can't guard him, right? And so Jared Jackson is like a really good two. I wouldn't say he's a premium two. I would say he's a really good number two. I just completely disagree. That's what I think is fair. So here's my thinking. With this new apron now, you can afford two expensive guys, right?
Starting point is 00:40:57 Sure. You're seeing this with the Lakers now where they're going to have to pay Reeves. They're going to have to get rid of LeBron or get them on a short contract. The Celtics have Tatum and Brown. You go on down the list, you get two. So there's 60 of these guys in the league that you can pay 45, to 60, 70 million a year to. I'm just, I'm not, he's not one of those guys for me because once you do that,
Starting point is 00:41:18 that's your title window right there. It's like, all right, these, these are my best two guys. What's my ceiling? We've already kind of seen the ceiling. They made round two once in Memphis. The last couple years they were allowed. I just don't, I think to me at that position, I don't want to pay a center more than like 15, 20 million a year.
Starting point is 00:41:37 It's interesting because it's been proven that Jackson can't play center. He's just, your defense will fall off a cliff against good teams if this guy is playing center for you. Because of the rebound and problems you mentioned. You're just going to get destroyed on the boards. Yes. At the same time, I'm like, and he's not as good on defense as Evan Mowbly, but like, has Evan Mowbly proven that he could hold down, lock up a center position yet. And we all love him
Starting point is 00:42:10 and see him as a play that's worthy of that max extension. And so, like, I'm very late center. I just wonder, like, I'm watching the Celtics with Ceda and Luca Garza who they're paying and combined
Starting point is 00:42:28 $3 million a year. I just, I value the perimeter players so much more than centers that aren't like impactful over the top. Like the Lakers, they got DeAndre Aten for $8 million a year, right? Just throw him in there. Hey, can you protect the rim a little bit? I just think these guys are out there. And I don't know why I have to pay $240 million for Jaron Jackson, why he's that big of an upgrade over 20 other guys in the league. I don't think he is. If the jazz are in the top five of the West within the next two
Starting point is 00:43:01 years, I think his deal is more than worth it. Okay. If you're one of the 10 best teams in the NBA, I think paying Jaron Jackson that much is more than worth it. Now, if you're still nibbling on the edges of playing status, then I'm just like, I don't know. I like that we have some controversy number three. Did we go snake fashion? I can't remember. We usually go snake.
Starting point is 00:43:29 All right. Well, I'll take the other guy that I thought about here, Zach Levine. Oh, yeah. Two years, 96.5 million left. At least I can get out of that contract after next year. So he's played, this is his 12th year, and he's played four career playoff games. I went back on stathead.
Starting point is 00:43:50 I was just trying to figure out, has anyone ever had a better, more meaningless career? No offense to Zach. But so 63 guys that played 600 plus games, made an all-star team, and average 20 plus a game for their career. 63 total. None of them have played less than 26 playoff games
Starting point is 00:44:10 except for Zach Levine, who's played four. He's been in one round one, and I don't know if he even won a game. This guy's career is going to come and go, and then 50 years from now, somebody's going to be on basketball reference. Like, what's up with Zach Levine? Is he top 100?
Starting point is 00:44:28 I just never seen a career like this was. This is a one of one. It's so crazy where the talent is so obvious in the sense of like this guy is an elite shooter, incredible, explosive, you know, graceful athlete. He's shown ball handling ability on ball stuff. Yet he's a loser every single place that he goes and everybody gets sick of him. And the plus minus doesn't like him either. I think he's like minus 14 this year or something. Obviously, the defense has always been just a troll.
Starting point is 00:45:02 And the thing is his contract for next year is a player option, guys. I'm reporting that he picked it up. He's been, he probably already did. If he opted out, guys, would anybody throw the, you know, the Jordan Poole contract of four years, 120 at him, the Tyler Hero? No. Nobody would want anything to do with this guy. It's like 8 million a year. How has he not been a wizard?
Starting point is 00:45:33 What did you guys do wrong? It just feels like it was the ultimate team for him. When you outline that list with 63 guys, what was the attributes to average 20 points and what was the other thing? You'd play 600 games. Yeah, yeah. You know who won an all-star team and 20 points?
Starting point is 00:45:50 Rex Chapman made an all-star team, didn't he? At least once? I don't know if Sexy Rexy ever made one. He didn't make it. Well, that's who I think of when I think of Zach would be. And Sexy Rexy did get to more playoff games than Levine as well. Well, so that's our first either the Kings traded for him or drafted him. I'm going to keep a running tally because they're recurring theme in this worst contracts draft.
Starting point is 00:46:19 We're up to one. House, you have the fifth pick. Yeah, I'm going to take your notion as it relates to centers. and the predilection of teams to overpay them and then get nothing at all out of them. And welcome Yakup Pertil to the conversation. It is stunning to me. Do you know?
Starting point is 00:46:42 I'll put it to you in the form of a question. How many times in his career has Jakub Pertil averaged 30 minutes a game over a season? Did he average that with the Warriors? I doubt it. They don't play game. Not warriors, the Spurs. Spurs, yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:04 You might be getting your Yakums mixed up. I'm going to say he's never played 30. You are correct. He has never averaged 30 minutes a game in his entire career over the course of a season. He also... Well, you got to mention what he... So he is this year plus the next four for $123 million. Because they gave him an extension for really...
Starting point is 00:47:27 reasons that remain unqueaths. No $123 million. The $25 million man. Yeah. Well, this was, I wanted to blame aside, but it's Bobby Webster's the guy and Bobby's still there. They said at the time that it was, he's like the anchor and the of this young core that's coming together.
Starting point is 00:47:47 And immediately, he hasn't played 60 games since the 2022-23 season. Maybe it was even going further back. Hasn't played 60 games. games. His highest number of games is 57. He's played, you know, whatever the number is this season, under 40. And he's had a bad back all year that they're like, his back's feeling better. It's like, is you talking about me and house or your 30-year-old center makes $25 billion? The rookie they drafted is ready. Yeah. Why waste another minute with Perl? And they tried, you know, over the trade deadline to stick him into some package. The rumors were out there. There's reports about
Starting point is 00:48:25 they're trying to get off of the stupid contract that they just extended him. It hasn't been a full calendar years. That's a wizard's move. Trying to trade the guy whose extension hasn't kicked in yet. That was the Andre Blatch. That was by when they amnestyed Andre. That was my favorite Wizards. But they didn't pay him $25 million a year.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Wise, you remember that? We talk about this every year. The Wizards gave Andre the extension and then a year later amnestyed him before the extension kicked in. The all-time best. Incredible work. And the crazy thing about Erdog is that it's just what Toronto
Starting point is 00:48:57 just loves to do. They love to get a guy. They love stability. Let's extend them right away. Let's just knock this contract out right away. And I think he's had moments in his career where it's like, okay, this is an above-average starting center. But the guy just doesn't play that much.
Starting point is 00:49:15 He was good on Monday night against Detroit or Sunday. Whatever, when they just, Sunday, they just beat Detroit. So you guys are telling me you would rather have Jaron Jackson 5 for 240, then Yacomperto, 5 for 123? Without presentation or reservation. Interesting. Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I feel like that 240 is just crippling. I mean, I have room for one more. You think the Utah Jazz is a crippled as a franchise? No, I'm just saying if I'm trying to win a title and I only have two spots and I've just given one of them to Jaron Jackson, I don't know what I'm winning at that point.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I have to get really, really crazy lucky like the Spurs did with all these rookie year contract guys. Let me ask you this though, Bill. Ask yourself this. Would Utah actually allow Yaakov Pertl to finish a game that they were trying to throw in tank in the middle of? Interesting.
Starting point is 00:50:11 Hey, Jakub, get your minutes, buddy. Enjoy all the way through the end of this game. All right, well, you have the sixth pick of the draft. Oh, man, this is, yeah, this is a pretty simple one. for me. Not simple. Miles Turner. Another center. Another center. 26. Next year, 2016,
Starting point is 00:50:34 after that 27, then a play option for 29. Add in the dame stretch. So that's another like how much, you know, tens of millions of dollars every single year. That is fair. If you add the dame stretch to the Turner thing, he's the third pick. But I don't know if we can legally do that.
Starting point is 00:50:53 I think you, that's a leap of faith. Come on now, I'm finding the loopholes here. And you add to the fact that Janus is gone. You did all of this shit. Yeah. Yonis ain't coming back. That's why this deal is so egregious to me. It's not just the deal in and of itself.
Starting point is 00:51:13 So Turner, four for 109, turns 30 next season. He's already played 700 plus games. And they could have just kept Brooke Lopez and tried to sign a couple cross-your-finger guys on the scrap heap, hope that they could get lucky, and kept Dame. And used Dame, maybe they could have traded Dame in February with one year left on his deal after this for a bigger contract. Maybe they could have just punted on the season and taking it to the summer. But instead, they did this Dame stretch.
Starting point is 00:51:45 And I don't know, did you like the Turner thing when they did it? Because I remember really not liking it. I understand the move because all they have to lose is Janus, the Greek freak. And so, you know, the notion of trying to find a chemistry that's going to work after the failure of Dame Lillard. And really, that's just because of the injury to Dame. I get it. But, you know, Miles Turner is on the wrong side of so many statistical categories. He can't defend the rim any longer.
Starting point is 00:52:18 He is atrocious inside the three point line. So, was, I said at the time that this was the equivalent of you're about to break up with somebody, but instead you decide to have a kid to try to save the relationship. Yeah. Was the master. They moved. And I think that's how it played out.
Starting point is 00:52:36 We are, we've gone through six. So our first six, Embed, Paul George, controversial, Jaron Jackson, Zach Levine, Pertil, Turner. We're going to take a break, come back, finish the draft. Hey, every Wednesday, I look through the NBA slate. I try to come up with a parlay. I won the first week. Second week I should have won.
Starting point is 00:52:53 I blew it with an over-under. I'm not doing over-unders anymore. Just doing trying to pick winners, team and stuff together. For that Wednesday slate, I'm looking at that Houston Lakers game because I think when teams play back-to-back in the same location, I like going with the team that lost the first game
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Starting point is 00:54:24 Order now. Alcohol and select markets, product availability may vary by region. See app for details. All right, Wise, you have the seventh pick. What is it? Oh, I know where I'm going with this. Arvita's the bonuses, kid. Get them out of here.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Get them out of here. I've been banging this. drum of this kid is overpaid and overrated for like three, four years now. And I think the league in the world has finally caught up with me where the trade deadline, he was one of those guys in the Tray Youngs and all these other guys that teams are like, please, I beg you, get this guy off from my hands. They just straight up couldn't do it. And he's owed 45 next year, 48 the year after that.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Let me repeat that. De Monis the bonus is owed 45 next year, 48, to basically be a guy who gets rebounds and can sometimes make an open layup. That's it. He does nothing else. Can I Zach? Actually, he's a good pass or two.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I shouldn't say that. He's a good pass. Wrong team, wrong organization used incorrectly. I think he might be an asset. Yeah, right. I want to see somebody else get him. Now, I mean, the plus minus stats are awful because of the defense.
Starting point is 00:55:46 I do think there's a fun version of him. It's just not a fun version of you have to pay him $48 million a year for the fun version. That's where the training gets up. Your center can't have the same wingspan as your point guard. That's just not going to be helpful for your defense. And so, yes, a bonus, that's just, he's a glaring, obvious case for me. I wonder if they even try to trade him. So basically it was a four-year-130, four-year, or three-year,
Starting point is 00:56:15 136.4, including this year. He's only played 20 playoff games. He's never made round two. He turns 30 next year. House, this is another guy I could see on the Wizards at some point. No, why? Stop that. That's the old Wizards.
Starting point is 00:56:30 What the Wizards are doing now is perfectly sound. Trade for injured guys that hope you take who are really expensive. It's totally fine. Tanking this year, not next year. We'll be competitive next year. We'll try hard next year, especially when AJ DeBanza is playing wing for the Washington will be very interesting.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Is there a team for you guys that you feel like Sabonis would actually be good on? You'd have to put him next to some sort of rim protector right? Like a like a four who is a Rembe. He can play next to Wemby who's always outside.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Yeah, Wembe. Webby's a good one. He'll do all the paint protecting and he operates on the outside so Sabon is going to operate inside. But again, he has to play next to a space alien in order to make any type of sense whatsoever. So that can't be Alexar? He could have been good. I think he'd be interesting on Houston or Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:57:24 I think, you know, in the right kind of rotational spot, he can be effective offensively. No, no, he can play next to Shangoon because, I mean, it's insurance for the Stephen Adams' recurring injury that's every single season. I know knock at all. I love Stephen Adams, but he just can't play. I honestly can't believe that's a bonus money that's left until you remember that Vivek paid it.
Starting point is 00:57:48 And yet, I still feel like on the right team, he's such a smart, offensive player, and he's a good rebounder. And there's stuff that he does that I do feel like he could have a moment, but I really think it would have to be. You'd really have to thread the needle on what kind of team that was.
Starting point is 00:58:04 And I don't know, I'm off the top of my head, I can't think of one. House, you're up with the eighth pick. Yeah, this feels like the right spot. to put John Morant in. Welcome, welcome John Morant. I mean,
Starting point is 00:58:16 he's still got two years left, uh, just over $87 million. And Memphis asked the entire league, maybe the entire world, maybe they went abroad and asked if would anybody be interested in John Moran services? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:30 The NBA said no. No, no team in the league was interested. Even Miami said no. Miami was a classic Miami move. They were like, we're good. Thanks. Yeah. He's only 26 years old.
Starting point is 00:58:42 still can't shoot from three. And unfortunately, the thing that really sets him apart, the ability to get to the rim is diminished over the last couple of years. And his free throw rate has diminished over the last couple years. That's really the dynamic version of him that has, you know, another six years of a career to it. But he's getting paid, you know, just under $44 million over the next couple of years. And I don't have.
Starting point is 00:59:12 an answer as to what team he belongs on. What team would make sense for John Moran? 327 games in seven years. Last three years, nine games, 50 games, 20 games. And was one mistake away from being suspended for a year, I would guess. Which I don't know if that would help from a cap standpoint. But yeah, they put them on eBay for two months and no buyers. And they kept lowering the buy it now price and people are like, no, thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Also, Bill, on what planet is your age 26th season with no reportable drastic injury in sight your worst season ever? Like, this whole thing is going in a crazy bad direction for him. Yeah. Because it's like you're playing, it's not like you've hit a ceiling. you're playing way worse than you have three years ago. So what am I to attribute that to besides, some people would say change the scenery, when you watch it, it's like,
Starting point is 01:00:21 can't make a shot, isn't getting to the cup anymore. Yeah. So that's like a lethal combination for the type of game that John Moran plays. He reminds me of some of the guys who just went sideways in the 2000s where you'd be like,
Starting point is 01:00:36 why isn't Steve Francis good anymore? What happened here? Right. And he just was never good again or Marbury, these guys that just kind of lost it. We'll see. I still feel like I wonder if he could be revived. Me too. Like in the right organization system, whole thing, like almost like a plant that seems dead and you just keep watering it and take care of it and somehow, you know.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Where did you fall in the great debate of falling point guards with Jha, Trey, and Mellow Ball? I thought Mello was the most redeemable of the three. I was a Jai guy because I've actually seen him play serious basketball before. Yeah. Like in the playoffs. Whereas the Mello ball is all just like clown shit. You know what I mean? But again, it's tough, man.
Starting point is 01:01:26 It's tough to hold any hope that this guy's going to come back. The only thing with Lamello is I was trying to think about the situation and the fact that he was just on bad team. with a cheap organization, and you just wonder like, well, what would happen if you just put, you know, with Jha, the questions are just different. It's like, this guy failed the IQ test
Starting point is 01:01:47 and then went back into the classroom and then failed it again. And that's where you're like, okay, I'll give you one, but the two makes me a little nervous. Another guy I can't believe wasn't ever on the Wizards. All right, I have two picks. Speaking of the Kings, we've gone long enough without mentioning Keegan,
Starting point is 01:02:06 Murray's name. Signed an extension for some reason, because they're the Kings. So not including this year, six years, $151.1 million for Keegan Murray, who is basically 13 and 5 the last three years. OK, three point shooter. There are so many wings. It's almost like the same thing with centers. Like you can find wings on every team that you could just.
Starting point is 01:02:36 just play 25 minutes again. The Clippers have guys. They're still, guys are still pulling off their warm-up jackets on the quippers. They're like, who's that guy? It's like, ah, he scored 10 points. I just would never overpay guys that are just role players.
Starting point is 01:02:52 And he's a role player. And I don't see any scenario where he's anything more than a role player. So six years, 151, I don't get it. I don't think this contract's tradable. And that would be my first pick house. I don't have any argument with it.
Starting point is 01:03:05 See, I think Keegan Murray is tradable in the sense that you know what, like, what's the bonus is like, what's his realistic role on a team? It's like you got to find the perfect situation and surroundings and blah, blah, blah, blah. Whereas Keegan Murray, it's like, if he's playing the way we think he's capable of playing, that fits on every team in the NBA, right? A guy who can shoot, who's a movement shooter, who's got sides. Yeah. I'm not even sure how good he is on he's probably their best wing defender other than Keon Ellis the last two years.
Starting point is 01:03:39 So to me he still has a market but I understand he not in the apron era. I don't think there's a really a market in the same way now that you're just constricted on what he can spend. We can just say that he hasn't lived up to the extension this season so far.
Starting point is 01:03:56 I think that's fair to say. Well, I'll give you another wing. I'm upset that he hasn't been taking it. Patrick Williams on the Bulls, four years, 72 million career nine points a game. And they traded Okoro for him, who also was a lottery pick, letdown guy, but Okoro's contract was half as long.
Starting point is 01:04:18 This Bulls GM is the worst GM in the league. He doesn't have the right PR team for the worst GM argument. We maybe need to get him some help. But did it turn down the Derek Queen trade? 12 pick was like no I'm good I don't want your first run pick next year in New Orleans it took the French cater doesn't play did that Williams a Coro trade nobody could figure out dumped Kobe White and Iowa at the trade deadline for nothing you got like a couple second rounders the only trade that's really worth for them was the giddy Caruso trade yeah but they
Starting point is 01:04:53 gave up something um I don't understand anything they're doing but Patrick Williams this is another example of like, I just don't want to pay that guy $18 million a year when I could find someone for two. He's got three years guaranteed left after this year, guys. Yeah. He's a guy who he gets the benefit
Starting point is 01:05:12 of where he was drafted. And they couldn't, the Bulls had a decision to make. If we let him go and he goes off somewhere else on the extension and does and comes back to haunt us. Right. Yeah. That's, that was the conch. That's that he has a
Starting point is 01:05:27 back to haunt us. contract. We had a million of these guys in the 2000s where we would have like the Ty Thomas, Stroh Miles Swift, these guys that it was like, well, he was drafted fourth.
Starting point is 01:05:39 Like, he's got to be good, right? And then somebody else would take a chance on them. And then now is it. But we got to have in a new category of extension. The stays to haunt you guy. This is a contract that's going to stay and haunt you.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Well, that's called the Joel Embed. House you're up. Yeah, I'm on Dejante. Murray. It's not like all his fault, but do you know how much money he makes? Yeah, well, give the money. Go ahead. Yeah. He still has two years left after this season. And there it's, it's 63.5 million dollars. Now that is that that that's the issue. If you want
Starting point is 01:06:15 DeJante Murray and he was getting Jordan Poole money, if he was getting 20, whatever, that's okay. But he is a point guard that can't shoot the three and is a very questionable defender. And I don't know what his role with this Pelicans team could be. Now, he's playing better. His defense is the thing that should have been his calling card. But, you know, his scoring volume increased. The defense didn't sort of go along with it. So the problem is the money.
Starting point is 01:06:46 The problem is the money. I'm really surprised by this house. Really? $30 million for him? I kind of enjoyed the Pelicans as a terrible league past him. I thought he's looked. I was kind of shocked by how good he looked. And he's like talking shit too.
Starting point is 01:07:03 Like he's like, I get it. Like seems like he's got the eye of the tiger a little bit. I actually would trade for him this summer if I was somebody because he looks healthy to be. 30 million dollars. I know. That's the problem.
Starting point is 01:07:15 It's just the money. He had a point in time, man, early in his career where I was like, this is one of the best on ball defenders I've ever seen. Yeah. Like in his early loss. That's right. San Antonio days.
Starting point is 01:07:27 he was incredible. He was unbelievable. But like now, you know, he got a little taste of becoming a scoring garden with a lot of guys where ends up having is like, all right, I don't do defense anymore. I score. That's for other people to do now. And also, you know, he's coming off of an Achilles. So you got to figure some of his athleticism and quickness has been sapped. I briefly thought about him.
Starting point is 01:07:53 But, you know, it's only two years. Yeah. So I think teams would be willing to eat that. If you could convince yourself that you're going to get this guy to function within a role at an elite level, I just think this is the second team now who thought he was going to come in and do something significant for them. And it just hasn't panned out. So I actually super respect the pick. I would rather pay him than Jaron Jackson, Jr.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Wise, you're up with two in a row. Are they different amounts of money? I want to get a, and this is not to get too controversial, but this matters. McKell Bridges, man. Where's he been? I thought he'd be gone by now. McKell Bridges, who is owed after this season 33, 36, 38, and again, it's not just the money. They also gave a ton of picks to get them.
Starting point is 01:08:50 and then, you know, if you paying attention to the Nix Internet, there's a lot of grumbling of like, hold on, if we never gave up all those picks to get this kid in here, we'd have Yonest by now. So you think about the opportunity costs from having given away all of those picks to get McKell Bridges, who I'll admit, I was all on board when they did this. It was like, well, you got to try to be Boston.
Starting point is 01:09:16 You got to get a bunch of great wings into your building. you pair him with OG that's a good recipe and in fact they beat Boston last year in the playoffs and Bridges was critical to a lot of the stuff
Starting point is 01:09:29 that they were doing on defense I just think when you watch him over the course of the season he's so inconsistent his unwillingness to take layups or get filed or like and the defense kind of waxes
Starting point is 01:09:42 and wanes and I don't know man he seems like a great guy and I'm sure his teammates In the wrong situation, too, where he just doesn't get the ball ever. And now it seems like he's lost confidence a little bit. I don't know. I'm out on the bridge. He was on my list because the key point other than that the production isn't there for somebody making mid-30s,
Starting point is 01:10:04 he's a walking reminder of all the picks you traded and this one chance you had with near the Knicks where you struck oil with the Brunson signing. Right? You had, you were able to convince OG to stay and you got him on a pretty good. trade. And then you had all this draft pick capital to make one major move. And you kind of shot your wide, Forrest Gump style.
Starting point is 01:10:32 It was, you put your hand on Jenny's boob. MacHill Bridges, Buh! Well, he is a Villanova guy. He's part of the club. You understand? It's like, maybe, maybe show some stamina.
Starting point is 01:10:47 A bit premature, a bit premature. a bit premature. It was a premature trade ejaculation. I and then Brutson took a little less, I think,
Starting point is 01:10:57 so they could give them the extension. Some weird vibes with that next team. What's your other pick, Wes? Again, another guy
Starting point is 01:11:05 that's going to be a little controversial because the dorks are obsessed with him. But for me is Dyson Daniels. I think that extension is looking,
Starting point is 01:11:14 that extension is looking funny in the light. It is because He's just a one-sided player straight up. The guy plays one side of the ball. And on offense, I like that Quinn Snyder is putting the ball in his hands because God knows he's useless when he doesn't have the ball.
Starting point is 01:11:34 Because no defense respects him. You're playing four on five. But it's not like he's showing some real dexterity there. It's just he's getting an opportunity to try to maybe see if it develops. But the shooting just isn't there. and he's not some great finisher at the cup. He's not some incredible facilitator. He's a zero on offense.
Starting point is 01:11:57 And to be paying the guy $100 million for the next four years, I just think it's tough, man. It's really tough. Wow, I'm shocked by that because the Hawks are red hot. Red hot, 10 in a row. And the reason is the lineup with they basically brought McCollum in. Yeah. They stopped playing Risa Shea.
Starting point is 01:12:15 and they just kind of got it going. And Jalen Johnson's playing his way on an all NBA team. How's you were surprised by that pick? Well, because I have another guy that fits exactly the parameter of what Waz just described. And I hope he doesn't take this guy in terms of a brand new extension where you're like you might have buyers remorse right away. Well, you can take them right now.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Go. Oh, did Waz take two? He took Bridges and Dyson Daniels. Oh, that's wonderful. Dyson. He was having a great time listening to this pot. And now he's got a gunshot. the side of his head.
Starting point is 01:12:46 It's like, what happened? But here's the thing. I believe it. Daniels at least has one elite skill. Unfortunately, Christian Brown is a very nice player. Christian Brown. Five year 125 million dollar extension signed in October of 2025. And unfortunately, he was the wrong guy to extend because they're not going to be able to
Starting point is 01:13:10 extend Peyton Watson. And Peyton Watson is better than Christian Brown. And that's a just, that's a tough one. That's, that's a, you, you can't move off of that within, you know, a calendar year. Now, Brown's contribution will see it come playoff time. It did take Peyton Watson longer to contribute. But I don't, does anybody here think that Christian Brown's better than Peyton Watson that Brown has a higher upside than Watson? He is a one trick.
Starting point is 01:13:38 I've watched him guard some really good dudes, though. He's good. It's a little high. Solid. They definitely goosed it. They did not sign Brown to that extension thinking he would shoot 28.6% from three this season. He's also been hurt. And they're open threes.
Starting point is 01:13:55 That's the problem. They're Joker threes. He's not going to get that anywhere else in the entire NBA. I'm a big Christian Brown supporter, but he's had a disappointed season. And he's got one extra year. He got one more year than Dyson Daniels even got. And so, yeah, I think it's the. It's the same kind of principle there.
Starting point is 01:14:15 And you know what's so funny about that. It's the exact same deal that the warriors were avoiding with Emmanuel Moody. They were just like, listen, I was like, eh, like, you can't give this guy a Dyson Daniels deal? You can't, he doesn't deserve the Christian Brown deal. Right. And they said, no, fuck him. He's out. It's tough.
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Starting point is 01:16:05 Prices, participation, delivery area, and charges may vary. Well, I can't believe this guy hasn't been taken yet. I don't know where you guys were. I thought for sure he wouldn't get back to me. Anthony Davis, this year and the next two, three years, 175.3 million since the bubble title. He's played 279 games amidst 203 because I assume he's not coming back. Since the bubble title, 36 games, 46, 76, 51, 20. He's 33 years old.
Starting point is 01:16:36 He's going to be 34 next year. and they tried to trade him and there were no takers. And our friend Rich Paul, he tried to lay the ground of if you trade him, you got to give him an extension. And that quickly became, wait, you've traded him the Wizards? There was no market for him.
Starting point is 01:16:52 And I actually thought House's team got kind of a steal because what do they care? They're not getting a free agent anyway, but just fundamentally paying this guy $120 million for two years and you have no idea if he's going to play 30 games. That seems like a bad contract. For me with AD, when he plays,
Starting point is 01:17:11 I think he plays close to what that contract is worth. Whereas like with a Paul George and some of these other, it's like you're just not playing like a $50 million player. It's like AD, when he's on the court, the defense gets lifted up. Yeah. He's a plus offensive player and like he's really good. But the guy just does not play. And so he's his name is or his name is now AD when he plays.
Starting point is 01:17:37 It's just like, it's all one together. That's his day. For a while, he was every other Davis. Every other Davis. Yeah. You can't even say that. Any day that he plays. Anthony Street Close Davis.
Starting point is 01:17:47 Yeah. See, I, from a rational perspective, I have no quibble with the idea of Davis at this spot and this thing. I will say this. I do think his impact and meaning to this wizard's team is outsized and it will have, you know, translate into a kind of value that goes beyond. If he's something. You know, it's a gigantic.
Starting point is 01:18:08 If we can get, honestly, I'll take 60 games from him because what he will teach, Sarr, who has already got the instincts as a rim protector, what he will create for- He didn't have it that night against Miami. That's for sure. He got, oh, my God, did his lunch get just destroyed that day? How else is it going to learn?
Starting point is 01:18:29 I thought it was a learning. You haven't been on the podcast since that happened. The disgrace of the 83. I don't know what you're talking about. Will Riley and Alex Sarre combined for 50 points. It was a tremendous, the game, developing game. How did your team give up, Leger brought this up? How did your team give up 30 points in the first quarter to bam out of bio?
Starting point is 01:18:52 When the heat rested everybody else. Have you watched? They can't get in front of him without, they couldn't get in front of him without fouling him. He set the NBA record. What are you to say? It was the worst moment in Wizard's history. It was embarrassing. No, no, there's been far worse.
Starting point is 01:19:09 That was awful. There's definitely been far worse. We played the Southex played the Wizards. Jordan Poole was on this team. The Celtics played the Wizards after and Keda had like 25 in the first half or something. And Scalibrini was announcing with our friend Drew Carter. And he just over and over again, he was like, it was almost like he was muttering to himself like he forgot his mic was on.
Starting point is 01:19:29 He was like, I just, I don't understand what the Wizards are doing. I don't understand. I've never seen. like this. I don't understand why they won't guard Keda. They're just letting him get layups. I don't understand this, Drew. I don't understand what they're doing. And he just kept saying it, which
Starting point is 01:19:45 is how everyone feels watched the Wizards. Wizards covered. Is this coach? Line was 20 and a half. Wizards covered. Go ahead. So the coach just, he got all his money up front. And he's a developmental coach. Like they have all of these G-League guys that are bringing up. It's really fun to see Juju Reese.
Starting point is 01:20:03 Maryland Terrapin's own Ju-Ju-Ju-Ris. Angel's brother. Angel came to a game. Oh, Congrats, House. Yeah, we've got things.
Starting point is 01:20:11 I don't know. It's a sublifting. It's a buzz. Why not? Sharif Cooper, internet legend, Instagram legend is getting some run. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:20:19 why not? I'm in the camp that this is just not good for young players to be on the Washington Generals, basically. I don't see how this is helpful to any more. I think the idea, bro, when they traded for Tray Young and AD,
Starting point is 01:20:33 and they're like basically bragging to anybody who would listen that these guys don't, will not play because they're going to be too competitive. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? Trey Young, who nobody in the NBA wanted, would make you too competitive?
Starting point is 01:20:50 Well, that's disgusting. That's disgusting. They had to get him rid of him. That was the trade. It was necessary. That is nuts. They thought they could get away with keeping Trey on the bench for the whole season. That's nuts. Both the high in the league is like, that's enough.
Starting point is 01:21:05 How's this turning to those Philly fans during the mid-2010s with the process. I love what we're doing. At a certain point, how this is professional sports? Yeah. You should be trying to win, bro. You should be trying to teach these kids winning habits. Or they're forecasting. Guys, we need you to lose every day.
Starting point is 01:21:25 I know. Yeah. It's stuck every day. It's one thing to game the system. It's another thing to just be completely humiliated game after game. I got it. I don't get it. house you're just
Starting point is 01:21:36 you just what do you want me to say they have a mission they have a mission and they're going to be very successful at achieving their goal which is having one of the four
Starting point is 01:21:46 worst records in the NBA they're going to destroy the integrity of professional sports in the meantime and the NBA doesn't have any integrity the NBA is the league that gave the Dallas Mavericks the first overall draft pick last season
Starting point is 01:21:58 they can fuck right off oh Lord have mercy we're running out of picks but that's a And this is, I think, our first one year left after this year guy that's been taken. I don't think we've taken an expiring 27 guy yet. And I'm going to have to do it here with DeAndre Hunter. Two years, 48.2 million.
Starting point is 01:22:21 This year, he was averaging 14 points a game for the Cavaliers and shooting 30.5% from three. On threes that were wide open, because nobody was guarding him because everybody was like, please shoot, we're going to guard Donovan Mitchell and the other guys of this team. Couldn't make any of them. And the Kings were like, he's available? Intriguing. And went and grabbed him. And I didn't understand it at all.
Starting point is 01:22:43 I thought he was so bad. Second half of last year with the Cavs, and then this season, I can't believe anybody would want to pay him $24 million when you could just find 10 guys who could get three. All you need to know is the Cavs had him in their building. And they said, ah, we'd rather Dean Wade. That's really tough.
Starting point is 01:23:02 Really tough. So our first two-year guy, how's your up? I'm surprised this guy has fallen this far, but maybe because there's only two years left. One of them is a player option. Jalen Green feels like a guy that should get mentioned at this point in the draft. He really shouldn't jump ahead of either Colin Gillespie or Grace Nallen in the starting rotation for the Phoenix Sons. This is another guy who Houston had to extend him because of where they took him in
Starting point is 01:23:33 the draft. The problem is he still, three years, 105.8, including this year. Yeah, right. So two years after this year, player option remaining at over $72 million. After this season, 36 million.
Starting point is 01:23:49 36 and 36. Yeah, that is the issue. He'll probably be picking up that player options. This is the thing about Jaylen Green. I was one of the last people off the bandwagon. And there's times even in the Boston game where I'm like, yo, this is a useful player. Like, he's puncturing the defense. He's disrupting stuff.
Starting point is 01:24:05 Like he felt pesky and like good in moments against Boston. But he's just so inconsistent. The decision making comes and goes. The shot is all over the place. Yeah, he definitely belongs on this list for sure. This was the right area to take him. I think it's a great pick. I've been impressed with how hard he's playing for Phoenix, though.
Starting point is 01:24:27 And I do think his heart's in the right place. I just think he was a young player who went to a bad team. I'm not sure what happens to his minutes when Brooks comes back, but he does his moments every once in a while. He's so talented. If he's healthy this upcoming season, you know, that he might end up being an asset.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Because this Phoenix thing, what they have going on there with, you know, coaching, there is a kind of ethic there where he might, you know, it might click in for him. They did a good job.
Starting point is 01:24:55 Yeah, with the guys who just play hard and give a shit. And you kind of either, for Jalen Green, who I think could go either way as a player. It feels like he's at least embracing the right things. They get the South Day. They played the Southwax really well last night.
Starting point is 01:25:11 That was a good game. And Booker in Boston, you can just book the 40 plus points. Was, do you have two picks left? Oh, yeah. I got plenty of picks left. Wow. First one, absolutely Jeremy Grant. Sure.
Starting point is 01:25:24 34 mil next season. Yeah, come on. 36-mill player option. He's just average. Is he even? average at this point. I think he's been in every draft that we've done. Even his old contract, I think,
Starting point is 01:25:38 was also in this. I think he's been in our last, I think he's been all decade. He's like the the McHale Bridges streak of worst contract draft. Who's my name? Kyrie Irvin. Kyrie Irvin.
Starting point is 01:25:56 Okay. 39 mil next season. Coming off of the ACL. Play option for 40 after that. That's getting picked up. he's a small guy you know obviously his mobility is going to be compromised
Starting point is 01:26:12 by the career long injuries guys like he's been having dealing with injuries all the time and it's like even when he comes back can you count on him to be on the floor and so yeah Kyrie to me tough tough tough contract two different spots in his career
Starting point is 01:26:29 where he basically took 18 months off yeah right because that net season that first net season and he didn't really play, and then they shoved them for this one. I think this is the right spot for him. I have no idea anymore with Longevity House. Because back in the day,
Starting point is 01:26:44 it was like if somebody had that injury in their early 30s, their career was just over, there was no chance they'd come back. Now watching Jason Tatum, just blow by guys 10 months after an Achilles. I don't know what to think anymore, but it does feel a little pricey, I would say.
Starting point is 01:27:00 Okay, what's your other pick then? Oh, you have Jeremy, Graham and Kyrie. So how's your up? Um, this is going to be controversial. I'm interested in, in the, the reaction of, of you guys. I do wonder about Deerrin Fox. Hmm. Because, I really like them.
Starting point is 01:27:18 There is a ton of money left on this contract. And what is he represent to this team if Dylan Harper needs more minutes? If you need minutes for, how are you going to give the minutes to the, to the back court? across the board here, how many more times do you think the Aaron Fox is going to be an all-star? That's what you have to kind of answer. This is a thought experiment.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Like I'm looking, I'm like, wow, it's just, it's, it's four more years and it's $223 million remaining. It's a, it's a very large number.
Starting point is 01:27:54 To me, and it made sense. It makes sense. It's a red conversation to have. I saw him in person last night and thought he was, look fucking great. So that's, and they have,
Starting point is 01:28:05 the money to spend because Wembe's on a rookie deal. All true. If they're in the top two of the West, to me, he's worth the money. Me too. I agree. At a certain point, you know, some extensions are going to kick in way down the road for the younger guards. But right now, for the next two to three seasons, he seems worth the trouble. And I think he's a, I think he's flippable. That's the difference, right? Yeah. Where we talk about guys like Embed, there's the second Philly picks up the phone click on the other end. You're talking, trade to me that NB deal.
Starting point is 01:28:40 I think with Fox with these, you know, he's known as a hard worker, a good locker room guy can play. You know what I'm saying? I think it was, it's why I posted as a thought experiment. I do. It's very unfair to say how many times over the life of this contract is he going to be an all star because you go through the West and, you know, he's right. Well, his redundancies at his position with Castle and you're hoping if Dylan
Starting point is 01:29:02 Harper, who you drafted is what you're going to. think he's going to be. This guy is completely expendable, right? So, but Harper's not there yet. Not even close. Not even close. Agreed. Agreed. So we'll see. Thought experiment. That's the only reason I put it out. I appreciate the spirit behind the
Starting point is 01:29:19 pick. I feel even better about my Jaron Jackson pick. You just wondered about five for 220 for the second best guy in a team that might win the title. I just can't believe how much you dismiss defense. He's an elite effing defender. He's
Starting point is 01:29:34 already multiple first time, first all NBA defender. Defensive player of the year. Well, he is an anchor. He made some mild defenses in the mental eight 2000s that we weren't sure about. There are elite that's for him. The fact that the statute of limitations on Kobe Snark has expired is amazing for me. It's a great feeling. going to lie. It's just for the Laker fans who are nuts about him.
Starting point is 01:30:09 The, this name hasn't been said yet. It's been said, I think every year we've had the draft. He only has a year left after this one. It's a two-year 42.7 left on the deal. I just can't believe how bad he is in some of the games as I watched my friend Doc Rivers trying to save the buck season. Kyle Cusma. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:30:30 I just like paying Kyle Cusma over 20 million. How much does he have left? It's 42.5 for this year and the next year. That's just, I just have to take him. Coos, my guy. Yeah, it's been a rough one. Really rough. He threw a pass the other night.
Starting point is 01:30:48 That went way into like the third deck. And they cut to Doc. Doc's face was just, he couldn't believe it. It just, you just drawn. I started calling him Samsonite when he was. With Samsonate, I Go ahead. I just don't think he would play. Yeah, because his bag
Starting point is 01:31:10 was always packed. His luggage was sitting right there at the end of the bed. Got a bag always played. My boy, Samsonite. I don't think he'd play one minute on the Celtics. Oh, wow. There's still some good guys left. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:26 There's a few there's a few guys on the border. And I wouldn't even say on the border. Just, and I have this, I have a list called, I have,
Starting point is 01:31:37 I got my eye on this. I, I, I, uh, I got to go back to my center, center thing. That's the right time to take them.
Starting point is 01:31:49 Jared Allen. Mm-hmm. Five years, including this year for 1.30. And I've watched Nemeas Kda outplay him multiple times. And I'm just like, I just don't want to pay that much for a center.
Starting point is 01:32:03 ever. I just feel like I can find centers. It's respectable. I think on another team, he's a perfectly fine starter. Yeah, yeah. I think it's he's, you know, not a top eight center, but he's solid. Solid center. I just don't want to pay that much for a center when I have second apron and all luxury tax and shit like that. House, you have any more picks? I just feel like, again, this is a thought experiment. You guys feel like Carl Anthony Towns two years left, $120 million. He was on my list.
Starting point is 01:32:35 Diminished. Okay. It's a lot of money. You're all right. It goes back to the Jaron Jackson thing. This is one of my two guys I'm paying. Two years after this one.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At $60 million. Yeah. Right. It caught my attention. Why?
Starting point is 01:32:51 If you have two, you want to go quick? Yeah. Finney Smith's. He should have been taken sooner. He's toast. This guy is done. He's got. 40 mil after this year over the next
Starting point is 01:33:03 three years. Jonathan Isaac, another guy who's toast to me. He's just completely toast and has 45 mil after this year old. So I get it. They got a quote-unquote discount because of the injuries. But three years, 45 after
Starting point is 01:33:19 this season. So he's out of here. Those are, I'm out of all. Oh, one more front line just to throw it out there. Jordan Poole, make it 34 next year to be a scrub bench warmer. Like, goddamn. That's just horrible. That's fine. He's perpetually on the list.
Starting point is 01:33:35 He always deserves being on the list. Has you have any more? No, no, I'm happy with where I ended here. Can you, can we each go, one guy you really wanted to take, but you didn't have the balls? Oh, that's easy. Franz Wagner.
Starting point is 01:33:52 Oh, Franz Wagner. Five for 220. Lord, have mercy. That is tremendous. I do like his game. It does seem like he gets hurt though. You have to play. You have to play the games.
Starting point is 01:34:08 I gave Jabari Smith some consideration just because of lack of consistency, but then he served me some shut the fuck up juice last night. He had a very good game, and so I'm just going to shut the fuck up. But that would be, that would be, you know, I looked at him. Not an ideal time to bring this name up, Bill, but. Bam out of bio. What is his money? Who is his back?
Starting point is 01:34:39 52 next year, 56 the year after that. Player option for 60 the year after that. Forever in the record books. The guy averages 17 points a game. I had two that I really looked at. Kevin Durant? No, no, no, no. No.
Starting point is 01:35:02 I agree. No, no, no. No, no, you can't even move the case. He's still, he's too good at age 37. Three, three for, counting this year, three for 144.7. So I have him for two more years after this year, and he'll be 39 at the end of that. And every time I watch him go against a good team,
Starting point is 01:35:26 it feels like it could go either way, not to mention some of the non-basketball stuff. I just wonder if that's, do you want to be in the 50 million a year for Kevin Durant business at this point of his career? What I'm on the market teams are snapping them up like this. That's why I need that score. That's why I just looked at it for a second. Are we sure Lori Marketing should make $200 million for four years? I've got my eye on this.
Starting point is 01:35:51 We're talking about him. Did I fall asleep for a minute to my internet go out? We haven't talked about Zion. If you're going to say Laurie Marketing. You can get out of that contract every year though. is the problem. You can take him year for year. He's on a year to year deal.
Starting point is 01:36:07 Marketing it is at 46 next year, 49 the year after that, 53 and a half the year after that. We're just like, we have no idea. We have no idea what kind of play. I know Utah. Play guys that are good on your team. Let us see if he can play. We didn't mention Trey Young two for 95.3.
Starting point is 01:36:26 He's going to get an extension. It's an expiring next year, which, well, if he gets an extension, we should have picked Trey's extension as a P. That's from the big. Go ahead. You guys are 100% that should have been a pig. The extension hasn't been announced.
Starting point is 01:36:40 I'm like, is this actually really happened? Like, they're really going to extend this dude? Please don't do that. House, don't do it. It's happening. House, no.
Starting point is 01:36:47 It's going to happen. No house. No. I'm telling you. Well, we can just pin Tray Young to the top of next year's drive. Yeah. Ice Trey and Trey Johnson.
Starting point is 01:36:54 We got Trey to Trey, baby. It's going to be delightful. Did anybody take a spin around the block with Jalen Suggs's 5 for 150 contract. I love Jalen Sugs too much. I can't.
Starting point is 01:37:05 I'm too attached to him. He means too much to that team. I'm personally attached. 30 is fair for him. That's why I landed as well. When you compare him to like Jalen Green, other guys around that 30, we're like saying like, you really want to pay the 30 to Jalen Sugs is fair.
Starting point is 01:37:21 We respect championship quality and equity here, but see aacum. He's been really good this year. Yeah. I think it's a fair price for him. don't you think he's like in the 45 a year range? I'm keeping my eye on it. He's getting older. He's getting up in age, guys.
Starting point is 01:37:39 I'm just keeping my eye. And shingle. Keeping my eye on that. Your coach is dissing you every single day. He basically called your defense trash multiple times in public. Might have been right. Was, where are you standing on a manual quickly for 1.30? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:37:59 He's... He could have gone to the top 15. These slides under the radar because it's like at 32. 32 and a half a year. If you're playing, if you're starting on the Eastern Conference's fifth best team, that's kind of fair. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:20 But he's not playing like that though. The problem is they, he's basically in the heat check spot for the Raptors. Like kind of elevated heat check where Jordan Clarkson was a couple years ago. You don't want to pay those guys. 30. You want to pay him like 20. So it's 10 million too much, but Toronto just made a strategy. The only
Starting point is 01:38:39 other one we didn't mention were Terrence man for 3 for 47, Malik Monk for 3 for 65. And I'd like to commend all of us for not mentioning any of the Achilles guys. Nobody brought up Tatum. Thank you guys. Not bring up Tatum. Cudos for nobody bringing up Tyrese Halliburton,
Starting point is 01:38:58 make it over 200 million for the next couple years. And then Dame, Dame 3 for 42. he's just getting at the end of it he's getting what he got and then the last one would be Kauai 3 for 149 which he's been so awesome this year
Starting point is 01:39:13 but it's the same thing with Durant like am I gonna be happy with that in 2027? Probably not but next year is Kauai's last year on the deal that's why it's like I can't even consider it he's got like he's on an expiring
Starting point is 01:39:29 in basically three months after that though I thought right? No, next year is it. Next year he's done. I screwed that up. You're right. We didn't mention
Starting point is 01:39:42 Draymond Green, two for 53.5. We didn't mention Drew Holiday, three for 102.4. And then Rudy Gobert just came out on skates. Two for 72.
Starting point is 01:39:53 Everybody's cool with it. So two rookie contracts house, Risa Shea, two for 27, basically. You got to pay him $13 million. next year. He doesn't play anymore. Don't care.
Starting point is 01:40:06 And then shout out. Rob Dillingham gets like 7 million guaranteed next year and should be headed to Europe. And that's really it. I think if we did this two weeks ago,
Starting point is 01:40:17 I think one of us would have taken D'Andre Aiton for the comedy. But he's actually been out there in crunch time. And I think BAM absolutely makes listless, if not for this two weeks. That's a great point. Bam would have been pretty high up there.
Starting point is 01:40:33 offensive season overall. He would have been pretty high up there. All right. So finalist. Embed, Paul George, Jaron Jackson Jr., controversial.
Starting point is 01:40:42 Levine, Pertil, Miles Turner, Sabonis, John Morant, Kegan Murray, Patrick Williams, Dejante Murray,
Starting point is 01:40:50 still disagree with that one. McHale Bridges, Dyson Daniels, Christian Brown, Anthony Davis, DeAndre Hunter, Jalen Green, Jeremy Grant,
Starting point is 01:41:00 Kyrie Irving, Dehran Fox, disagree with that one, Kyle Kuzma, Jared Allen, Carl Anthony Towns, and Dorian Finney Smith, who was Mr. Irrelevant of the worst contract draft for 20, 26. We're going to be saying about our worst contract friends next year. I don't, like, Coosmo won't make it.
Starting point is 01:41:22 Maybe Jeremy Grant doesn't make it next year. His streak might be over. Maybe there will be some new guys we didn't expect. I think last year. Zach Levine's definitely gone. Last year, some of the guys that we took ended up, like, playing their way out of bad contract status. I'm pretty sure. Hold on. I had this. Like, didn't we have, I think somebody took Scotty Barnes last year at one point? Oh, I did. I took Scotty Barnes sometime in the last two years because of the way that Toronto was open and notorious with its tank job.
Starting point is 01:41:59 There was no point to paying him. They were sacrificing years of the extension. I think Brian and Ingram got taken, but there's some guys that played themselves off the list. The point is, there's hope. For anybody on this list, you control your own destiny. Next year, you might be on the best contracts list. Oh, I say a cat tail.
Starting point is 01:42:16 See it. Mimi's being rude. That's the end of the podcast when Wausus's the cat waves the tail. House, always a pleasure. Was a true pleasure. Great to have you back. This was fun, guys. Thanks to Gahua and Eduardo as well.
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