The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Badass Knicks, Purdy on Trial, Lamar vs. Mahomes and Million Dollar Picks With Rob Mahoney and Peter Schrager

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Rob Mahoney to discuss Kings-Warriors, a Golden State check-in, and NBA All-Star ballots (2:38), before discussing some positive Knicks buzz, the Eastern Confere...nce rounding into shape, the Suns, Clippers, and more (21:53). Next, Bill talks with Peter Schrager of NFL Network and Fox Sports about the NFL coaching carousel, and some serious coaches without jobs (45:10), before previewing Chiefs-Ravens (1:05:37) and Lions-49ers (1:21:31). Finally, Bill makes the Million-Dollar Picks for the conference championship round (1:42:08). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Rob Mahoney and Peter Schrager Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:33 So anyway, please watch the movies before you actually go to our shows. Can't wait to see everybody. And that's that. More details next week from the road. Coming up on this podcast, me and Rob Mahoney are going to talk about all the Thursday night stuff that happened
Starting point is 00:02:52 because there were some really fascinating NBA matchups. Some of them turned out to be disappointing. Then, of course, Porzingis stepped on somebody's foot and now I'm in a bad mood. Anyway, we're going to talk about that and what we saw from Miami with Rogier, what we're seeing from the Lakers and all the storylines as we head into the weekend. And then Peter Schrager came on to talk about coaches, coaching vacancies. We had three jobs
Starting point is 00:03:16 left and we taped our thing and we said, oh, nothing else will happen. Then right after we finished taping, Raheem Morris got the Atlanta job. So no Belichick in Atlanta, which I predicted, if you remember, on this podcast on Sunday. And now we are one step closer to Bill Belichick working for the ringer
Starting point is 00:03:33 and joining me in Salon Guest Alliance. Give me like 50 to one odds it could happen. I don't know. Don't rule me out. So we're going to talk about some of the coaching stuff and then we're going to talk about
Starting point is 00:03:43 the two games this weekend, which are really good. And then I'm going to talk about some of the coaching stuff. And then, uh, we're gonna talk about the two games this weekend, which are really good. And then I'm going to do some million dollar picks, which have been really good lately. We'll see if I can keep it going. It's all next. First, our friends from project. All right, Rob Mahoney's here.
Starting point is 00:04:15 We're taping this part of the podcast. It's 10 o'clock Thursday night. We thought this was going to be an awesome NBA night. It was okay. It was C-. It was, eh. Warriors-Kings, though. It was going to be an awesome NBA night. It was okay. It was C-. It was, eh. Warriors-Kings, though. It was very fun.
Starting point is 00:04:30 The Warriors heading into this game in the last 15 games were 29th in defensive rating. And at one point, the Kings looked like they were going to score 175 points in them. The Kings ended up winning by one. They win late. The Warriors kind of botch a late-game possession. You know, on the one hand, Kaminga is starting to turn into something for Golden State. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:04:51 On the other hand, their defense is so bad that I don't know what they do. Rob, they were a top four protected pick to Portland this year. And I don't think they're a contender and they're just in the all time. I don't really know which way they go, but either way doesn't seem great, right? Yeah, there's some funny things happening with the Warriors and the Lakers right now where I think they're trending up in some really critical ways. And yet it might not matter that much just based on where they're starting from in the standings. And the Warriors in particular, you're right. Their defense has been
Starting point is 00:05:25 a disaster for most of the season. They have a hard time getting stops against anybody. Their energy is pretty good. It's not an effort issue. It's just they're very small. They're still not athletic enough in a couple key spots. And even though Kuminga's popping, his defense
Starting point is 00:05:42 is all over the place. It's just that offensively, he's kind of honed in on what he does best and what he should have been doing this whole time. Yeah, Kamiga's turned into this old-school ISO. He's out of 1994. You could see him in the Eastern Conference just clearing out on
Starting point is 00:05:58 one side and just trying to beat people off the dribble. I don't think he really knows what he's doing yet as kind of a team defense player or just any sort of aspect of that. But I like his confidence and he's at least something you can't look back at that draft to go, man, we blew it.
Starting point is 00:06:14 We didn't take Franz Wagner. Um, cause I think Kaminga has got something, but on the other hand, his timetable and what, where you want him to go the next four years, I'm not sure it matches a team that has a bunch of old players. I mean, the clay steps alarming. There was clay at one point I looked
Starting point is 00:06:29 at the box for like a minute left, he'd played 30 minutes and he had like zero assists and one rebound or one assistant, zero rebounds. He just doesn't do that much. And that what was really weird at the end of the game, the Kings were kind of leaving them open a couple of times, which in the old days it was like, don't keep a guy, forget about the space, like just keep somebody over there and just we'll give up one-on-one. But the Kings were drifting off him. And if that's happening combined with Barnes was killing him on the other end, I just don't know what value he brings to the table anymore. Well, this is one of the things that's happening kind of across the league really over the last couple seasons, is defenses are so good now at closing short
Starting point is 00:07:08 against guys who can't really put the ball on the floor and attack. And that's where Klay is now. Part of what made him so deadly was he was one of the best shooters ever. And if you close hard at him, he's going to attack and drive and score or attack and drive and dish and get you into the Warriors blender and you're going to be in trouble. All that other stuff is gone. So, you know, we've done a lot of hand-wringing about Klay over, I always say the last calendar year in particular, but really since his injuries.
Starting point is 00:07:34 In fairness, he's still one of the better high-volume three-point shooters in the league by percentage. He still hits a lot of his shots. It's just the defenses don't have to respect anything else. And so then they can close a little bit later to the three.
Starting point is 00:07:47 They can play, you know, they can roll the dice with stuff like that in a game like this where he's not on fire. He's basically Nets Joe Harris
Starting point is 00:07:54 at this point. That's harsh. But that's who he is. He's, you know, a good three-point shooter. I've, I don't know that I've seen
Starting point is 00:08:03 Joe Harris hit a three-pointer in the playoffs in my life. So until that happens, I will give Clay a slight edge. I'm just saying the theory of Joe Harris. Yes. And then they have this Draymond situation where he's pretty good offensively today and they need his playmaking,
Starting point is 00:08:18 especially with Chris Paul out. But the nicer, gentler, I'm trying to keep my emotions in check, Draymond. I'm not sure that's how he's meant to play basketball. There's a ferocity that's missing from him. And defensively, he should be whatever, the guy that lifts the rising tides. Did I say that right?
Starting point is 00:08:42 The guy that lifts the rising tides? Is that? Well, the guy that lifts the rising tides is the literal moon. So as long as that's the guy we're talking about, then we're on track. Well, I feel like I'm in the ballpark with that. But he's supposed to be the glue guy in defense for them and the guy who kind of makes everything better. And I don't know if he's that guy anymore. I think he's pieces of that guy, but he's not the...
Starting point is 00:09:04 I don't think he moves the same and has the same lift as he did a couple years ago. I still think he's valuable, but I just keep watching him on this team and it just feels like it's run its course
Starting point is 00:09:14 and I wonder if it's good for him and for them if there's a fresh start somewhere else. It could be, but I don't know that he's gonna lift the level of play
Starting point is 00:09:23 anywhere else any more than this. His synergy with at least Steph and with some of the core warriors is still really good and really important. I don't know that if you send him to a team with a bunch of young talent and hope that he's going to teach them the culture of playing defense, is that really going to work for a guy who's had his string of issues, his own string of accountability problems at this later stage in his career where individually he's not at the level he was a couple of years ago, it's just always going to be a hard sell with him in terms of figuring out what an alternative spot could be. And the Warriors are still dependent on him in some ways.
Starting point is 00:09:57 They're still dependent on him to get Steph the looks that he needs and wants in some of these games. So there's can't trade him a bull, and then there's untradeable, meaning nobody wants this guy. And then the other version is we can't trade this guy. He means too much to us.
Starting point is 00:10:13 He might be both. Somehow both? Somehow both and neither. I'm trying to walk through this scenario where another team, and it feels like it would be an older team, like a Lakers type of team that has proven guys that
Starting point is 00:10:28 could kind of pull him into the fold and then he could because he has experience in his playoffs and then you could unleash certain pieces of him. If you send him to I don't know, Orlando. If you don't need any help playing defense down there, they're doing just fine.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Right, but that's my point. That doesn't't make sense to me a young team on the rise that's the type of team right or you said like indiana well that doesn't make sense because they don't play that and you go through all the teams yeah it's really hard to find the right team and then you start going the drop below the teams that are either rebuilding or you know probably trying to get a top seven pick. And none of those teams make sense for me. There's like, send them home to Detroit. Well, why? Detroit's terrible. Why would they want Tremont? So it feels like the Warriors are probably stuck with them, which might not be a bad thing because if he can rekindle this thing,
Starting point is 00:11:18 but I was, I made a joke to somebody on text today that it's like watching Skip Bayless try to do a show and just be like, I'm not going any crazy takes i'm just gonna be nice yeah i'm gonna try to uplift the sports scene instead of doing my skip bayless shtick skip bayless on good morning america just real real genial guy right he replaces nate pearl nate burleson on the cbs morning news and he's just interviewing people who just escaped from being trapped in a well, and he's just pleasant. Honestly, Woodwatch. You give that a try. But yeah, the Draymond, I don't know how he channels the rage that made him so indispensable to them and so much fun to watch. And that tightrope act he was always on, where he just started falling off the tightrope. So I don't know how you get back on it. Well, the news for that, whether it's good news,
Starting point is 00:12:07 I think depends on your perspective. As much as I would like to believe in mankind's infinite capacity for change, I would say it's a matter of time until we see old Draymond kind of pop back out again. So that energy, I would expect to be back at some point. The one trade element we haven't talked about is maybe the most important one, which is just, who is the most desperate for something? And that's where you get into teams like Atlanta. That's when you get into teams like,
Starting point is 00:12:32 if Dallas went on an extended losing streak or something like that, or even further down the line into the offseason, they really wanted to shake things up in their frontcourt. You could see teams like that start to talk themselves into someone like Draymond. Again, as a culture setter, as someone who could potentially transform what you do and be a connector on offense. But you almost need that level of desperation and urgency to pull the
Starting point is 00:12:54 trigger on a trade like this. And I think if you're going state, you probably want contracts that are coming to a close and you want to get under the tax. I mean, the irony of that, they're 36.9 million over the tax line. So they are where you really don't want to be in the NBA, where you don't have a chance to win the title. You might not even have a chance to make any noise in the playoffs, and you're paying the tax. That's it.
Starting point is 00:13:19 That's the triple crown. Yeah, you mentioned Dallas, because it doesn't feel, they have some, you know, the Grant Williams signing has been I think a disaster for them they still have Rashawn Holmes who doesn't play but they they could kind of patch together some shorter term contracts and say to go and say like hey we'll take them uh I just don't know if Draymond's at the we'll take them stage and I also don't know
Starting point is 00:13:41 their appetite of even like are they are they just going to say, we're going to go down to the ship with Steph and Clay and Draymond. These are our guys. They're all going to have statues someday. And we're going to ride this out. And this is how it ends. It's never supposed to end well. But the defense to me is the stunning piece with that team.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Where the Kings almost didn't know where to go. They had so many options. The fate of Northern California almost came down to Harrison Barnes post-ups in this game. That's where we were at. Harrison Barnes, by the way, I would say one of the more random back-to-back 30-plus point game stretches
Starting point is 00:14:17 I've seen in a very long time, just out of absolutely nowhere, started erupting lately. Yeah. A lot of good things happening for the Kings, but I did not have that one on my bingo card. Jared Greenberg, after the game, he's the sideline guy,
Starting point is 00:14:33 and he led a question with Harrison Barnes, like, hey, this is the team that traded you. Does it feel good to get revenge? And I always want the athlete to answer, like, hey, man, that was 2016. It was eight years ago. Like I barely remember being on this team. Like, no, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:14:50 I've made $200 billion. I'm fine. Don't worry about Harrison Burns. But he didn't answer it that way. The revenge they might've cared about though, I would imagine if I were Damanis Sabonis, it would feel pretty good to barge through Draymond Green once or twice and put my chest through Kevon
Starting point is 00:15:05 Looney and dunk on him after what happened in the playoffs and maybe even more importantly, hit a couple floaters, hit some intermediate shots, hit the exact stuff the Warriors have been daring him to do for a long time. The Kings, I think they don't have a lot to prove in games like this at this point. They're just a good team, but it's always nice
Starting point is 00:15:22 to gut out close games against veteran competition, especially when there is that kind of back and forth at the end. Kevin Herter, I would not say covered himself in glory, missing two free throws
Starting point is 00:15:30 in crunch time, but they got the baskets they needed to and they got the critical stop forcing Steph into that turnover at the end too. Yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:15:38 that was almost a self-inflicted unforced error turnover. Steph looked like, where would you put on his prime? Would you say tail, where would you put on the, his prime? Would you say tail end?
Starting point is 00:15:48 Would you say approaching the tail end? Would you say he's fine, this team is just messed up? Where would you put him? Because it's definitely, you know, when you're at your absolute peak,
Starting point is 00:15:57 which you compare him to guys like Giannis and Jokic and people like that. When you're, when you're a top 20, top 25 NBA player at the peak, peak, peak of your powers, you're good every night.
Starting point is 00:16:09 It's shocking if you don't have a good game. Your average game is an awesome game and that's just who you are. And it doesn't even, even the Knicks game tonight, the Nuggets get killed by the Knicks, but Jokic wasn't like awful in that game because he doesn't have awful games. He's Jokic.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Curry's at the stage now where he can have awful halves and awful games. It feels like it's moving to a different point of his career, but I would also not be surprised if February comes and he averages 39 points a game and goes on a run again. Yeah, it's just everything. When you're at that stage in your career, everything isn't in your control anymore. It's a little bit more about matchups. It's a little bit more about how your teammates get you open or how they cover for you. Just the fact that, you know, the Western Conference All-Stars were announced today. Steph Curry is not one of
Starting point is 00:16:54 the starting guards. And we're not outraged? I don't think anyone's really going to argue with it, to be honest with you. Like, that's just the facts of the season. And I think he's still probably, you know, a second team, all-NBA kind of player. Like, he's still probably a second team, all NBA kind of player. He's still that good. He's just not quite at this level as
Starting point is 00:17:09 what SGA is doing, as the load that Luka is carrying. The responsibility on him is still really great. But in terms of what he can do creatively, individually, there are limits to it. And we're seeing it. Yeah. I laid out all my starters
Starting point is 00:17:25 because I had a vote for the starters but I was also curious about the tiers of alright, my five starters, who are the next five guys and then who's up for the next two spots. And it was interesting. I had Fox about a hair ahead of Curry this season on my list.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Did Sabonis make your list? Sabonis made my list. Did Sabonis make your list? Sabonis made my list. He did not make the starting list, but he's like the next group of dudes. And the question for me is, there's that Fox, Curry, Booker, Edwards, those four together. And the starters,
Starting point is 00:18:01 I don't think I have to go until next week. I like to have at least three guards as the backups for the starters. Plus, it's the All-Star game, you want guards. There's a world where Curry isn't even one of the four non-starter guards. Because Booker, especially lately, I think has been playing better. Edwards has been on a number one seed the whole year. You would probably say, their most important player.
Starting point is 00:18:28 And then Fox has been slightly better. Just percentages, numbers, his team's playing better. And there's a world where Curry doesn't make it, but it's the all-star game, and I feel like it will. It's the same reason LeBron started for a night. But is that nuts to even have that conversation?
Starting point is 00:18:43 I think he's going to make it. And I think honestly, when you lay out the West reserves, both wildcard spots will probably be guards. Unless it ends up being a Fox or Sabonis thing and one of those guys gets one of those wildcard spots, which I think that's a fascinating argument to have as far as you're assigning credit
Starting point is 00:19:00 for how good the Kings are and who you want to prioritize, whether it's Sabonis being the hub for them or Fox being this kind of just hyper-efficient individual creator for them. And also notable, just one of the best three-point shooters in the league, all of a sudden.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Incredible to watch Darren Fox play. I think Steph has to be in there. But if things had started a little earlier for the Clippers and James Harden, for example, could he have had an interesting case? If the Jazz had caught on a little earlier and Lowry Markkinen were making an even stronger march
Starting point is 00:19:33 than he already is for All-Star, would he butt in for a wildcard spot? I think there's lots of ways in which you get edging on that conversation. I just don't think Steph would be the casualty for it. I think it would be much more likely to be one of the Kings guys or one, you know, Paul George or someone like that who would get kind of nudged out of the mix. There's too many. I like that it's 12. I hate that people
Starting point is 00:19:55 are like, oh, we got to make it 15 so more people can make it. We don't need more people in the All-Star game. 12 is enough. We don't in the Eastern Conference, I can tell you that. Yeah, right. So, I had AD and Kawhi as starters, and neither of them ended up as starters. It went to Durant and LeBron. So, AD and Kawhi are 6-7. Sabonis
Starting point is 00:20:16 is 8. And then, technically, you could say Edwards, Fox, Booker, and Curry all get in, but now you're bumping out Paul George, you're bumping out Sang George. You're bumping out Sangoon. You're bumping out Towns. There's a budding Jalen Williams case that I don't think he's going to make it,
Starting point is 00:20:37 but man, eye test wise, it's harder to think of 12 guys that are better two-way players than him in the West. And then you look at all the shooting splits for him and some of the advanced stats, and it's like, if Jalen Williams had a better PR, he might actually be at All-Star Reserve. He's not going to make it.
Starting point is 00:20:56 No. But I think he's kind of lingering there, too. And then marketing would be the other one. Yeah. The one I'm watching, too, is Rudy Gobert. Will Rudy Gobert, the leader of the number one defense in the league with a bullet,
Starting point is 00:21:06 will he make the all-star team? And I think the fact that it's going to come down to the coaches is what makes it so fascinating because Rudy Gobert's peers don't always have the utmost respect for him. I don't think he gets an incredible fan representation in the vote, but the coaches value what he does.
Starting point is 00:21:22 They value the stability of a guy like that on an every night basis and certainly in a league where nobody can stop anybody. The one team that can, Gobert has a really strong case to be involved in this game. It's too bad we can't do backyard dealings on this
Starting point is 00:21:37 and be like, Rudy, we're going to vote you in as a reserve but you're going to fake an injury two minutes after we do because nobody wants to watch you in the All-Star but you're going to fake an injury two minutes after we do because nobody wants to watch you in the all-star game. Like literally nobody. We just want guards and we want up and down. Let them do the skills challenge and we'll call it good. We'll take a break. Then we got to talk about the Knicks. FanDuel is America's number one sports book. They have
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Starting point is 00:23:58 Do great things this November. Sign up now. Just search Movember. Alright, so we were talking All-Stars and in the East, Brunson didn't make it. Dame Lillard made it. There's some, what is it, fans,
Starting point is 00:24:13 it's coaches, and it's media. It's also me. I am the problem. And you? I voted for Damian Lillard. I, like, it's an excruciating decision between, I would say, Donovan Mitchell,
Starting point is 00:24:26 Jalen Brunson, and Dame, but I still like the season Dame's having. I know I'm preaching to whatever the opposite of a choir is on this one. Wow, I want to hear the case. This is great. Let's hear this. The case is, the Bucs are one of the most efficient offenses in the history of the league, and
Starting point is 00:24:41 they are efficient not because of great coaching, not because of a super well-designed roster, but because Giannis and Dame are fucking good, basically all the time. And Giannis, like, Dame's percentages night to night do fluctuate, but his impact on the game is still high in all those cases. Still, like,
Starting point is 00:24:57 secures a lot of games in crunch time, and overall is one of the architects of that offensive success. So, I value that stuff pretty highly. So, you wanted two bucks in the starting five is what you're telling us. I don't think of it that way. Why not?
Starting point is 00:25:12 There's 15 teams in the league. You got to be a really good team to have two of the five starters in a 15-team conference. I mean, the Lakers are going to have two all-stars. I don't feel great about that either. I thought AD should have gotten the spot. And then to me, LeBron was on the bubble.
Starting point is 00:25:29 But he made it as a starter, so it doesn't matter. I had Brunson, which leads us to the Knicks. Here's my question for you. The Knicks are 11-2 in January. In the last 16 games, first in defensive rating by like a mile. Like they have been the best defensive team now for more than a month. Is Knicks culture the new Heat culture?
Starting point is 00:25:54 Because the Heat got annihilated tonight by Boston. Now granted, you know, whatever, it's the Heat, it's the regular season. But the Knicks have done their own version of what the Heat did. The type of players the Heat target and go after and the type of people they put together and the Knicks have basically said to everybody, you have to be able to play defense to play for the Knicks. You have to play hard
Starting point is 00:26:15 and you just have to be diving for balls and you'll be able to switch and just fight. If you can't do that, you're not playing. They added OG. They're 11-2 in January. They feel like they're a trade away from being kind of a nightmare first round opponent. And I'm starting, I have Knicks fans in my life who are beaten down, who don't want to believe, who don't want to get sucked in. And all of them are like, I really like this team. I really like where this is going. I am super happy as a Knicks fan right now. Where do you stand? I think they're a trade away from being something much more dangerous,
Starting point is 00:26:49 but they're already a nightmare first round opponent. This is a team that no one should want to play in the regular season or the playoffs. Because the Knicks, I think what their defining characteristic is, is they do not fuck around. They show up, they play hard, they have intense focus. They don't give you things. And yeah, there's some times
Starting point is 00:27:07 where their offense kind of spins its wheels or it's a little too much Julius Randall time or maybe a little undersized on the perimeter with some of their groups. But they give a shit in a league where there's a lot of unserious teams in the regular season. And you could see it in this one,
Starting point is 00:27:23 that the Nuggets were not prepared for this level of physicality in a random January regular season. And you could see it in this one, that the Nuggets were not prepared for this level of physicality in a random January regular season game, even during rivalry week registered trademark. I don't know what the Nuggets-Knicks rivalry is, but there must be one somewhere in the books. Nuggets-Knicks, let me think.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Now, I'm out of ideas. I don't know how that one works. Nuggets at the end of a road trip and it was like one of the they were like in the pickup game where there was that one guy on the other team trying too hard and guarding everybody full court and they're like dude I'm hung over
Starting point is 00:27:53 can you leave me alone well that guy was OG Ananobi and I think he's gonna be in Jamal Murray's nightmares for a really long time like he is such a big part of how the Knicks physicality can just rock you on your axis as a team. Yeah. And I've been thinking about this too with the way
Starting point is 00:28:09 defense is officiated right now and just how the way offense is exploding. The real defensive difference makers, they just feel immensely valuable and even far and away than they did before, far and away more than they did before. And it might only be like three or four guys
Starting point is 00:28:26 in terms of perimeter players who can actually do stuff like this. And I think OG is clearly one of them. He can neutralize a matchup. He can zero out a player as dangerous as Jamal Murray. And if you can get one of those guys or develop one of those guys, that is a transformational experience for your team.
Starting point is 00:28:42 So that's why the Knicks were good and they were competent. But now they're really dangerous. They're a team that if you're a contender and you see the Knicks as your first round opponent, they could ruin your season really easily, even if they themselves aren't necessarily a favorite or a co-favorite to win the title.
Starting point is 00:28:58 We did the, didn't we do the, I came on, were you on that pod? Yeah, yeah, for the emergency trade pod. The emergency pod. It was me, you, and Barrier, right? Absolutely. And we all liked the trade for the Knicks. And we all thought OG was the best part in the trade.
Starting point is 00:29:13 And we all thought the theory of the trade we liked. Since we did that pod, I think the trade has turned out way better than I thought. And I think the thing that I don't think we of us gave enough credit to is you're kind of wasting that dude on a 500 team or a team that doesn't have this kind of identity. Now, he just makes sense on this team. When you think about him in the playoffs, I think one of the things that's scary about them is pick the team. You could probably throw OG at whoever the problem is.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Could he guard Embiid? Could he guard Embiid in a series? I think he actually could. Tatum, Brown, nobody guards Giannis, but he could at least try to take charges from him. Miami, you could throw him on anyone
Starting point is 00:30:02 in that team going down the line. Now that they have that, I want to know what the next trade is because they have to trade Fournier now. They're pretty close. And Fournier is making 18. They can get to basically 20, 22, 24 in a trade and get one more guy. But for me, it has to be a guy that fits into what they've created. Like it can't be like, oh, we can finally, we have a mulligan here, we can acquire Zach Levine. We can get away with one guy who doesn't play defense. I don't think they want to be that way. I think they
Starting point is 00:30:31 want to, from what I've seen, Tibbs seems super happy. The look on his face when he sat down at the press conference tonight, it was like the serial killer at the end of the movie about to give his monologue in the interrogation room. That's what it was like the serial killer at the end of the movie about to give his monologue in the interrogation room. That's what it was.
Starting point is 00:30:47 The end of the Fincher miniseries. Yeah, this is the team he wants. So anyone else they trade for, I think has to come in and have that same kind of intense thing. Maybe it's DeJounte Murray. I don't know. He's another one that I wonder,
Starting point is 00:31:02 in the right kind of atmosphere, could he rekindle some of the defense we saw from him in San Antonio we've not seen in Atlanta, but they're clearly going to make a deal. I think the crowd really helps too for the type of team they have. And I think I'm going to go next week, next weekend, because we're in New York
Starting point is 00:31:18 for the rewatchables, the live show, and they're playing the Lakers on Saturday. I want to see it. I want to, you know, I've seen that crowd in various stages of either just complete sadness, bitterness, or kind of like over-hopefulness compared to what the actual product is. But they're just dying to have a team they like.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And it seems like they like this team. Rando is the X factor. Yeah. He can be a lot, but in games like this, he's flexing on Nikola Jokic getting putbacks, right? When his game is properly aligned
Starting point is 00:31:52 and relatively in balance, we know who he can be when he's just hitting every jumper. That's great, but it's more about the replicability of how physical he can be, how dominant he can be going to the basket in addition to that kind of
Starting point is 00:32:04 yo-yoing pull on a defense from being able to shoot. So if he can do a how dominant he can be going to the basket in addition to that kind of yo-yoing pull on a defense from being able to shoot. So if he can do a little of all those things, and Jalen Brunson has just been such an efficient driver of that offense. So good at getting into the lane, creating problems, and also another one of these guys who's just a really successful emerging
Starting point is 00:32:20 three-point shooter at pretty good volume this season. They're so dangerous. They're really hard to play, even apparently when they're down to their third-string center. Jericho Sims is out there giving Nikola Jokic the best he's got, and that's good enough to win by nearly 40 points. And some Precious. Precious is getting thrown out there.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Here, Precious! A little Silence of the Lambs action. Right now, the Knicks are fourth. That would put them in a Cleveland-Knicks series that I'm not sure I want. I don't think the Cavs want it either. Yeah, I think we should shake the snow globe on that one. But it would be really fun if Philly had
Starting point is 00:32:59 just bounced back a tiny bit and all of a sudden Cleveland kept descending and then we could just get Knicks-Philly in round one with just an absolute shitload of pressure. The Cleveland piece of this, so Cleveland is now 26-16. They did lose their last game, but they were second in defensive rating over that 15-game stretch. And it feels legitimate, and it feels like they finally got Jared Allen. A month ago, we were wondering if Jared Allen, if OKC could just get him.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Just be like, could Cleveland maybe make him available? He should get some all-star buzz as a reserve, I think. Jared Allen's been really, really good. As important as anybody in this resurgence, I know Mitchell's numbers have been flashier, but Jared Allen's really critical to the way they function, clearly on defense, but even as a hub on offense too.
Starting point is 00:33:49 There's that old saying in sports, sometimes you're an injury away. And maybe the Mobley-Allen together thing doesn't make a lot of sense. Not that, oh, this leads to us trading Evan Mobley.
Starting point is 00:34:00 It's just maybe it was just better for Jared Allen to just be the only big guy. They definitely get some clarity every time they space out and start playing a little smaller and slightly better shooters, however much they can get on the floor.
Starting point is 00:34:11 It's not an accident that this stuff happens. I think we all understand, the Cavs included, that that's the ultimate trajectory of the team. It's just, can Evan Mobley be the five? And if he can't, then you have to start answering some really hard questions. The East feels like it's falling in a place because the Celtics and Milwaukee
Starting point is 00:34:30 are going to be one-two unless there's some sort of crazy Celtics collapse. Philly's probably three, but who knows. Nick's Cleveland right underneath them. And then Indiana, probably six, but lingering a little. And then you go to the 7, 8, 9, 10, where Miami,
Starting point is 00:34:48 every time you feel like, all right, here we go. The Celtics just crushed them today. The Celtics shot the lights out, but Miami also looked like they didn't totally want to be there, that they didn't realize it was on TNT. It was a very strange performance. Rozier was terrible in his first game.
Starting point is 00:35:02 But you have Miami and Orlando and Chicago and Atlanta in that 7, 8, 9, 10. And then really no threat underneath because Brooklyn's 17 and 27 going the wrong way and probably has to start selling for parts. It was pretty bad. They lost to the Knicks the other night at home. All the Knicks fans were there and Bridges was just super bummed out after like, ah, it sucks to play a road game when you're home. That is tough. Well, that's what happens when you put a second team in New York, a city that only cares about the Knicks.
Starting point is 00:35:33 These are the things that are going to happen. You know what, though? They almost stole this game tonight from the Timberwolves. And I think that says more about the Timberwolves and crunch time than it does about the Nets. But credit to them. Nick Claxton in particular. I thought it was a great game.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Yeah, so, and that came down to Bridges missing another misfree throw in crunch time. Yeah, it's pretty rough. Minnesota is dying for us not to believe in them. They're really trying sometimes. And yet they're 32-13 and they're the one seed in the West.
Starting point is 00:36:04 But I don't really fully believe in them in crunch time. And you could tell me that they're 32 and 13 and they're the one seed in the West. But I don't really fully believe in them in crunch time. And you could tell me that they're going to lose in round one and five. I wouldn't be shocked. So it feels like they're a trade way in half. There's just a lot of teams that are trades way in half. Wait, I got off the narrative on the East. Oh yeah. Miami 24 and 21. Have they just thrown away the regular season? This is who they are. We don't care. We'll be there in April, May, and June and that's what we do.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I wish I could believe that with this version of the team. But I think this Heat team is lesser than last season's team. And in particular, I don't think they are as Heat culture-y or as hard-nosed as that team was. There's like a little something missing
Starting point is 00:36:43 in terms of the edge of this group. And maybe that is just them saving their legs in the regular season. But Miami Heat, please score a basket. Like the way this offense struggles against set defenses is kind of infuriating for the talent that they have. Like the number of possessions that boil down
Starting point is 00:37:00 to Tyler Hero taking a quick, early, semi-contested three. Even on the night he's hitting, I just find a little distressing for what this team could be doing. I know it's not the most talented offensive group, but they're more talented than this. Well, they've had the worst point guard situation in the league
Starting point is 00:37:18 until Rozier. Jaquez goes out recently and you really feel the absence. That's the other thing. This game didn't even count. Jaime Jaquez didn't play. Right. Doesn't count as a win for the Celtics.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Doesn't count as a loss for the Heat. We erase it from the record books. Well, two things did count. One is that they threw a zone at the Celtics, which worked last year. And this year the Celtics are like, hey, we have Drew Holiday and Chris Epps for Zingastown. This ain't working anymore.
Starting point is 00:37:43 So that was a disaster. The other thing was Porzingis went down and limped off. And this has been the eggshells of the entire Celtics season. It's just, you're just trying to get through every regular season game with nothing to do with Porzingis. These tall dudes, whether it's him or Wemba Nyama or even somebody like Chet, these tall, skinny guys that they're in the air
Starting point is 00:38:03 and they're landing and you're just always worried they're going to land on a foot or land the wrong way. And it finally happened with him. It seemed really bad. And then he showed up back on the bench later and he was laughing. But it's just going to be an absolute Ben Affleck and Triple Frontier type of situation getting him to April. Just let's get him in.
Starting point is 00:38:25 Let's throw him in the unmarked van with no windows and see if we can getting him to April. Just let's get him in. Let's throw him in the unmarked van with no windows and see if we can get him to April 11th. But with that said, he is you saw it tonight. I think he is an impossible matchup for Miami. I just don't think they have a size for him. I think the Celtics-Heat matchup I think is fundamentally different with how talented
Starting point is 00:38:43 the Celtics are now. When the Celtics-Heat matchup, I think, is fundamentally different with how talented the Celtics are now. When the Celtics play other jump shooting teams, there's really not a lot of chance for those other teams. Because, yeah, the Celtics get ebb and flow, but if you have a similar shot profile to them, and Miami doesn't get to the basket, they rely on a lot of mid-range stuff, a lot of long-range stuff. How are you supposed to keep up with this? With this level of talent and this kind of layered talent? Where the thing about Chris Stapps and why his injuries are so damaging,
Starting point is 00:39:08 he's like the consequence for whatever your defensive scheme is. If you want to switch, he can post guys up from the free throw line or in. If you're showing really hard or trapping guys like Tatum and Brown or Derek White and Drew Holiday,
Starting point is 00:39:19 he's popping out, hitting tons of shots at a really high rate. Whatever you want to do, he is the hammer. And so if you take that out of Boston's system, then maybe they're kind of beatable. Maybe they're kind of manageable
Starting point is 00:39:30 for some of these other jump shooting teams. But Miami, I think they would have to dramatically change how they play to beat the Celtics right now. Well, the Rozier trade was a good start. It was certainly, he's a lot better than Kyle Larris. Quickly, Clippers, Suns, who are you more dubious of right now? I'm always more dubious of the Suns.
Starting point is 00:39:51 And I don't trust the health, the defense. Like the numbers when those guys are on the court, awesome, amazing, love it, love watching it. I cannot trust all of them to stay healthy. And by all of them, I mean not only the three stars, but Yusuf Nurkic and Eric Gordon, and a long... It's like a house
Starting point is 00:40:10 of cards or a long string of dominoes in which if literally any piece falls out of place, any card falls out of place, it's so delicately arranged, I worry about the integrity of the whole thing. So I worry about them far and away more than the Clippers. I've really enjoyed watching
Starting point is 00:40:25 Beal on that team the last two weeks. His fit's been really nice. He's really playing hard for them. It's about as hard as we've seen him play in a while. And he just feels like, I'm going to be additive. I don't need the ball too much. I'm going to be fighting. I'm going to be trying to take charges and fighting for offensive rebounds. I'm unselfish. And he's put some real thought into it. Everything I've heard is that he's been a real leader behind the scenes too. And, you know, same thing with James Harden. Like everyone said, James Harden's been an awesome leader. He works with the big guys.
Starting point is 00:40:57 He shows up first. It's just that the NBA, it's like high school. It's like, wait, I thought those two weren't, didn't they get into a fight junior year? No, no, they're friends now. Like, it's just, it's like high school. It's like, wait, I thought those two weren't, didn't they get into a fight junior year? No, no, they're friends now. Like, it's just, it's a rollercoaster ride. You can't keep up. James Harden's happy.
Starting point is 00:41:12 Bradley Beal's a leader. Kyrie, no drama at all. 2024, man. What a year. Maybe Ben Simmons can come back. You buying the Clippers as, I can actually see them in the finals? I can definitely see them in the conference finals.
Starting point is 00:41:29 I would still have a hard time seeing them beat the Nuggets. I know that may seem crazy to some people after watching the Nuggets on a night like tonight where they did not have it, but I'm not worried about Denver in the playoffs. They're still my favorite in the West, I think by a pretty wide margin. As for the other teams, I would say OKC is probably my next up. And then probably a Clippers versus Wolves conversation where it depends on who's kind of baggage you want in terms of the crunch time execution
Starting point is 00:41:52 for teams like the Timberwolves in particular. Ant waved off Cat in crunch time of the game tonight and then airballed the shot from the corner immediately. There's some stuff like that that they do that for as much as I like the arc of who Ant is and what he's doing as a decision maker concern me.
Starting point is 00:42:08 But is that worth betting? Is that worth downing versus what's happened historically with James Harden? Or what's happened historically with Kawhi Leonard and Paul George's bodies over the course of long playoff runs? I think I'd probably air Clippers in the third
Starting point is 00:42:23 power ranking spot in the West right now with all due respect to the Wolves in the season that they've had, but we're getting into some pretty close territory. We're kind of splitting hairs, I think, at that range. Yeah, if you told me Kawhi will be healthy all the way through June, I'd be like, okay. I'm taking that seriously. Then to me,
Starting point is 00:42:40 it's Clippers versus Nuggets. I'm with you on the Timberwolves. Even some of their defensive stuff, they were dominant the first 15, 16 games of the year. And that slid down a little bit. They're still top five, top six. But I wouldn't say they're dominant. And there's some knucklehead stuff with them.
Starting point is 00:42:58 I mean, that stuff the other night was absolutely alarming. Last thing, where did you stand on this Doc thing? In what sense? Did you feel like this was a team that actually needed to change their coach when you watched them? I feel like the team that needed him was TheRinger.com and the Bill Simmons podcast.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And he abandoned us, right? Like he just walked away in the middle of the season. There's nothing sacred. And I just don't think Wes Unsell Jr. is going to have the same impact on Tuesdays on the pod. We'll find out. I don't know if he has as many stories as Doc. Yeah, listen.
Starting point is 00:43:36 What a great situation to walk into, to coach. I've been thinking about it, obviously, for two days. And you can see how he got sucked into it. I did a little Instagram walk and talk the other day and I was saying like, yeah, he, he's a competitive dude. Nurse is killing it on the Sixers and beats playing great. So that makes them look bad. Harden's on the Clippers. He's doing great. That doesn't make Doc look great. And you know, he's competitive. And I was like, you know what? Last year, none of that was my fault. I'm going to show you.
Starting point is 00:44:07 And all of a sudden, he's coaching Milwaukee. And they're paying him a lot. He certainly greased the wheels for the, you know, ringer employee to $40 million contract pipeline. So, you know, let's just get that on the record. He's feeling really good about that. No, the Bucs needed that change. They needed to shake up so, so badly.
Starting point is 00:44:26 And I think what everyone holds against Doc are concerns that are far and away beyond where the Bucs have been. Like, they just need to get professionalized defensively. And he's going to be able to do that. He's going to be able to cater an offense to serve what Dame and Giannis do best.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I'm not worried about that stuff at all. And that's going to make a huge difference, especially in the regular season. But even getting them through the first playoff rounds, and then you hope the talent kind of carries you through from there. Their wings can't guard the great wings on other teams. And Dame is a minus on defense. And I don't know if the greatest coach on the earth
Starting point is 00:44:58 can fix some of that stuff. But he's a good motivator, and we'll see how he does. Before we go, you've been recapping True Detective on the Prestige TV pod with the Queen, Joanna Robinson. You've liked this season so far. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Definitely so. It's super duper weird. That's what we do. We like weird. Does this feel like a True Detective season or is it just another show completely
Starting point is 00:45:24 but it's called True Detective slash whatever? Sometimes it feels like another show. Sometimes it feels like a True Detective show. Sometimes it feels like a show trying to be a True Detective show. And I kind of appreciate all of those. Like there is certainly a reflective metatextual, you know, we're so far removed from season one, especially in the phenomenon that it was, that playing with the ideas and referring to them, it's almost impossible to do that in a way that's not self-conscious.
Starting point is 00:45:50 So there's definitely a self-consciousness to the show, but I think the framing of it and the conspiracy and the mystery of those worlds and of this season in particular lends itself pretty well to that kind of recursion and those ideas. Like seeing the spirals everywhere is just kind of par for the course
Starting point is 00:46:06 and I think feeds some interesting mystery. And, I mean, we're theorizing like crazy over there. The yarn walls are going nuts. Like, we're trying to piece this thing together as we go, but it's been an insane opening to the season so far. Can you explain the first two episodes in one condensed sentence? Seven scientists mysteriously disappear
Starting point is 00:46:28 from their research base in Alaska, freeze to death naked with no explanation. That was pretty good. In a corpsicle? And Jodie Foster is a 60-year-old Alaska sheriff who likes to have sex standing up. Don't they all? That would be my second sentence.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Was it top 20 standing up sex scene in HBO history? I wouldn't even know where to start. It got a
Starting point is 00:46:57 oh! from my wife. Just not ready for it. Smash cut to bureau sex scene. It was a lot. HBO, still keeping us on our toes in 2024. Who knew? Not ready for it. Smash cut to bureau sex scene. It was a lot. HBO still keeping us on our toes in 2024.
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Starting point is 00:48:26 You can see him on Fox. You can see him, us kind of killing the games the last couple weeks. I hope it keeps going. We're going to get to the games a little bit later. We've been on a nice little run. Let's talk coaching though. Coaching hires, coaching rumors, coaching things.
Starting point is 00:48:40 How many jobs are left now? We have three jobs as we record this that are still open. That is Washington, Seattle, and Atlanta. Atlanta just had another interview I just got a text on. They have interviewed 14 different head coach candidates in this cycle, 14 different ones. Belichick not getting a job when this many jobs were open would literally be unbelievable. And we also still have Vrabel, Pete Carroll, and Belichick on the table, all of whom seem like they want to coach. And Atlanta just seems like they want, I don't want to say a puppet coach, but somebody who's
Starting point is 00:49:15 just going to be like, I'm here to coach. That's it. You guys handle everything else. Washington, they seem to want to have a whole new infrastructure. And then Seattle, I guess, would just want a normal coach. So that might rule out Belichick completely. It's interesting that Belichick is seven years older than Andy Reid, and everyone is already saying, well, if Reid retires, maybe Belichick goes to Kansas City. I saw that report from maybe Mike Florio and Schefter were both talking about that. I have no indication that Andy Reid is going anywhere as long as Patrick Mahomes is there. So I would take that off the table
Starting point is 00:49:48 at the moment unless something drastic happens that we're not expecting. Then you're looking at three jobs. And to me, the Atlanta thing, if you weren't going to hire Belichick the first interview and you didn't hire him right after the second interview, the further we go from there, the less likely that is. Bill could say, I just want to be a head coach. He could say, I just want to be an executive if that's the case. But I think if you're hiring Belichick, you're hiring all that comes with Belichick. And that might not be what every team wants. They might want them just for those siloed jobs. And I'm not sure necessarily you can hire Belichick as strictly a head coach because at some point he's going to have to cede that control to a Terry Fontenot or Rich McKay unless you say we're
Starting point is 00:50:29 going to blow those guys out too and we're just going to go all in on Belichick at age 72. And if you look at the last six to seven Pats drafts, you'd be a little hesitant. It's weird because how do you tell a guy who's won more playoff games than anyone ever, who's the best coach of all time. And then you're in a meeting with them and you're like, here are our thoughts. It's like, it probably doesn't want your thoughts. I know.
Starting point is 00:50:52 I think it was Seth Wickersham who we both respect obviously. And who's had a pulse on, on the Patriot stuff for years. Who said, who made the parallel to like, look, Tom Brady was a free agent a couple of years ago. And basically two teams showed real interest.
Starting point is 00:51:05 It was the Chargers and the Buccaneers. And at the end of the day, the Buccaneers made the most sense. In hindsight, he took that team to a Super Bowl his first year. Shouldn't every team have looked at the last 20 years and said, okay, we're better off with Tom Brady? And then last year, Lamar Jackson, granted, you would have to give him a pick, and he was a restricted free agent. Teams were quick to the table to say, no, no, no, we're good. We don't want to deal with all that. And we're not going to go down that road.
Starting point is 00:51:29 We're going to stick with our guy. And now I think a lot of those coaches are out of jobs right now who passed on Lamar Jackson or didn't entertain it. So are we doing the same thing with Belichick here? Are we making a mistake of saying, hey, I'd rather have Dave Canales or I'd rather have Brian Callahan than Bill freaking Belichick? Or is it, you know what? I'd rather work with the 38-year-old guy who comes in wide-eyed and is willing to be
Starting point is 00:51:50 collaborative and work with everyone at a different level than having to be entering a relationship where we know that he's going to have superiority over everybody in the building the second he walks in. Well, Carolina at least finally figured out how it's supposed to go, where you hire the GM and that guy brings in a coach that he's really comfortable with. And now they're aligned. And if the coach fails, the GM fails too. hire. They interviewed all the typical candidates also. They interviewed a bunch of GM candidates. They hired the in-house guy, Dan Morgan. But from what I hear, Tepper was blown away by a couple of these GM candidates and has already discussed a possibility of, okay, well, let's bring in one of the financial guys or one of the salary cap guys. And they met with Mike Greenberg from Tampa. They met with Brent Tillis from Kansas City, who does Kansas City's cap work with Brett Veach. And they met with a couple other guys who work on the financial side.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Now the question is, can they poach one of those guys to come in also? So now you have Dan Morgan, who's your football guy, who also can do contracts and all that. But then you pair him with a really smart salary cap, strictly money-based contract guy, have those two. And then you have this coach and all of a sudden you've got now, all right, Tepper doesn't need to be meddling. He's got three different people that he trusts to handle the football. And it's like, you guys do your thing. And I swear, I'm not going to meddle. I swear I'm going to step away. I was only meddling because I felt I had to, but now we've got this thing and you guys all can trust each other.
Starting point is 00:53:20 That's new owner syndrome now. They come in and they think it works like every other business they did. I've been joking about this the entire time I've had a column in a podcast. These guys come in. I remember the Bad GM Summit. I remember I longed for those columns. Yeah, they all have to do it. You go back and all of them, they can't resist. And then they gradually realize like, oh, I need to delegate. Oh, maybe I don't know as much about football as I thought. Oh, maybe it's weird when five different people have five different agendas and they're all playing me against each other. I did like Carolina came into it open-minded though
Starting point is 00:53:51 because they met with all the usual candidates and the last guy in was Dave Canales who was Tampa's OC for one year and was in Seattle for years and that's where Dan Morgan knew him. But I'm told he blew away the interviews and this year in Tampa, that's like an all-juice, positive,
Starting point is 00:54:05 light, all about positive affirmations and all this stuff that really worked in Tampa Bay in the post-Brady thing. In back-to-back years, he kind of resurrected Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield's career. And to Tepper's credit, they did a Zoom interview last
Starting point is 00:54:21 Thursday. They liked him. They interviewed him this week after they lost in the NFC Championship game. They liked him again. And you know what? They said Thursday. They liked him. They interviewed him this week after they lost in the NFC Championship game. They liked him again. And you know what? They said, let's hire him. It wasn't like, well, he wasn't our first choice. Or, well, since October, we were looking at somebody else. They're like, no, this guy really interviewed well. We like what he did, and he's going to make the best out of Bryce Young. I respect that too, to go into this thing open-minded and not make the big name higher. I got to say, as somebody who's hired a few people in my day, you kind of know within the first three to five minutes.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I think it's funny when these people have like the five different interviews with the same person. I don't know what happens in the fifth interview that would change, you know, kind of the general vibe you would have right away of like, am I clicking with this person? Does this seem like a person I'd want to spend time with?
Starting point is 00:55:03 Does their brain seem to be working in the same way that everyone around here? You could usually tell. And that's why when you see like a Belichick for two interviews. Yeah. We kind of know what we're getting. Harbaugh was interesting too, because he had the initial interview, went really well with the Chargers and they had another one. and then he actually canceled the Atlanta one because the Chargers one went so well. And then I heard, we're doing this on Thursday,
Starting point is 00:55:30 Wednesday night, they were, they were at like a Morton's Steakhouse and Harbaugh was the life of the party and they had already announced it
Starting point is 00:55:37 and like they were fired up for the Harbaugh era and I'm like, you know what? They're going to win. Like, that's a smart hire. That's what they need
Starting point is 00:55:43 in that market and Harbaugh will turn it around. He always does. And Herbert will be good. And I appreciate that kind of hire too, where it's like, hey, not for everybody. The Harbaugh thing comes with... He usually has in the NFL and before Michigan, comes in, lasts a few years, burns everyone out, and then he's on to the next. Well, the Chargers are like, we'll take the burnout. Does it mean we could be good for a couple of years? We'll take it. We need it. So I like that match too. I thought it was the perfect, perfect, perfect place for him. They don't matter at all here.
Starting point is 00:56:11 They have no identity whatsoever. They're old fan base in San Diego. Most of those fans not only have not traveled with the team, but have kind of disowned the team. Here they're like the black sheep of the LA scene. They're completely irrelevant. Even Justin Herbert, who is somewhere between
Starting point is 00:56:29 the fifth and eighth best quarterback in the league, I don't even think he has face recognition for the jumbotron and a clipper game. Every home game they have, it's all fans of the other team.
Starting point is 00:56:40 But now he's going to come in and it's going to feel like it's a little... Make better. I was here when Pete Carroll, when he got USC going in the two thousands and it felt the same way. There was a rejuvenation, but he was the face of it and the players could kind of come in and out,
Starting point is 00:56:54 but he was always the one. And he was, now you have somebody you could have on Jimmy Kimmel's talk show, you know, and it's like, Hey, it's the chargers coach, Jim Harbaugh.
Starting point is 00:57:03 It's now they're showing him on the jumbotron. He's sitting courtside. He's next to bomber. It's like, Oh, it's the Chargers coach, Jim Harbaugh. Now they're showing him on the Jumbotron. He's sitting courtside. He's next to Balmer. It's like, oh, Harbaugh. And they just have no energy like that in the city. It's a city of stars. LA responds to stars. And in the core of their arrangement, they're tenants in what the Rams stadium is. So it's like you're almost renters. And now they have a brand new, beautiful facility that's opening up, I believe, next year. And it's a different area. You know about that deal? Tell me, what do you got? Is there more that I need to know or what? needed a tenant for the other eight games because that was part of the deal. So what I was told was they pay like so little on, you know, rent stuff. They, I, somebody told me they paid a dollar a
Starting point is 00:57:52 year, which seems insane, but they really have no expenses. They don't have to pay for anything. And they, what, what I was told was they have this influx of cash because they didn't spend for a new stadium. They don't have to pay for the upkeep. They're just kind of there so they could put it in the practice facility in Harbaugh. I'm not sure. I do know that when that whole deal went down and it was the Raiders and Chargers sharing a stadium or it was the Rams getting a stadium, that was how it all shook out. And it was the Rams first and the Chargers second as the SoFi people.
Starting point is 00:58:27 And it kind of felt that way the first few years. This will be different. I think Harbaugh goes right up with McVay as far as name recognition. I think that Harbaugh brings the real juice to it. And... A little rivalry, by the way,
Starting point is 00:58:37 with those two guys. You get another thing out of that. You get a little Herbert versus the Rams. And I think with Harbaugh, I'm curious to see the staff. So the three things that everyone tells me, it's like, you're going to win right away.
Starting point is 00:58:50 You will. Two, you're going to be tough. You're not, you're going to be disciplined. And three, he hires great staff. Now this might be a bunch of names. I feel like retreads or retreads, like it might be David Shaw and Pep Hamilton. And you might get Greg Roman. And you might say, oh, well, those guys.
Starting point is 00:59:05 He also has these young coaches and that's what he always had at Michigan and always had at the Niners. He found talent at the coaching level. They are going to be loaded on the coaching staff. And I'm curious to see who they hire at GM. They're going to be interviewing Joe Hortiz today. Joe Hortiz is like number two in Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:59:20 And they also interviewed a guy named Brandon Brown, who's with the Giants. So does Harbaugh have say? What did they say about that? Does he have final personnel? I'm sure he will have a very large voice. One of the reasons I love this for him is because you actually have the chance to build
Starting point is 00:59:34 and rebuild something. The Chargers, they have the worst salary cap situation. I think it's in the top three for next year in the league. For Belichick to go there, I just don't think he would have been able to turn that around in a year. Harbaugh can take three years. He has the QB. He was a former QB. He knows how important that piece is.
Starting point is 00:59:55 And he gets a rap for, oh, he burns his bridges fast. He's at Michigan for a while. Nine years. Yeah. I mean, that's not nothing. They were five and seven the year before he got there. Brady Hoke. They were bad. And he came in and turned them around. They won 10 games the next year. They beat their first two opponents who were ranked by like 30 points and they win the title. They beat
Starting point is 01:00:13 Alabama and Washington this year. Bill, you did mention the Jumbotron at Clippers games as like a barometer. Give me like what level of celebrity we're talking about at a Clippers game as opposed to a Lakers game. Is it the same? Either. Yeah, no, it's either. It's just like,
Starting point is 01:00:29 if you're showing somebody, does the crowd, do people like my wife, actually she wouldn't know who Jim Harbaugh was, but would there be some recognition? Like on the Dodgers, the Otani, right? If he's at a Clipper game, people are like, holy shit, Otani's here,
Starting point is 01:00:45 standing O. Mookie Betts, he can kind of slide in and out. Like he was at the Lakers Christmas game. He's 5'9". He can just put a hat on. You barely know he's there. He's on the jumbotron.
Starting point is 01:00:56 You're like, is that Mookie Betts? Harbaugh will be there like with his arms back, wearing some leather jacket. The old smile. Yeah, just like, you know, he's like a celebrity. And I think for him, especially if you're in Michigan,
Starting point is 01:01:09 you're in a fishbowl there because you're in a college campus in Ann Arbor. Now you come here, you're just another celebrity. There's a freaking million of them. He'll buy some nice house. He'll have multiple years. And he's got the QB. So to me, great move.
Starting point is 01:01:25 And I'll be interested to see if Belichick ever really strongly considered it. But the thing with Belichick, he loses out on the Eagles because it seems like Sirianni's back. The Cowboys bring McCarthy back. It all worked out wrong. None of the cards worked out his way.
Starting point is 01:01:38 Buffalo did not fire Sean McDermott. Which I mentioned last week. I didn't see that happening. And now you kid, but he might be just in wanting to coach and not being able to. Does he go and coach a high school team? And just be like,
Starting point is 01:01:53 does he go and work with a college team? Does he do it? Or is he literally going into the media and like, I'll just stay relevant and I'll do it for you. Because Bill, if Doc Rivers is going to leave your podcast network, I sure as hell
Starting point is 01:02:05 would be the first one to listen to Belichick. First of all, I'd love to have Belichick. Second of all, him not coaching next year is going to be a massive win for us as football fans
Starting point is 01:02:15 because he will strategically pick one, two, or three things and he'll boost his... And then he'll have the number one choice of any job next year, right? Who are his guys in the media? Is it him and Tom Curran? Who would it be?
Starting point is 01:02:30 Or is he going to go national? He's close with Lombardi, but I don't know how that would play out. My guess would be he would start his own sort of podcast somewhere or maybe he just does studio where he's on, does he join ESPN Monday Night Countdown?
Starting point is 01:02:45 And he's just there on Monday nights? They just fly him in private? And he's with Moss and whoever else? Yeah. I do think people will really like him
Starting point is 01:02:55 after this season if he doesn't coach. People are like, wow, Belichick had no idea. He seemed like such a dick. You know, the little wrinkles, obviously,
Starting point is 01:03:02 when he puts Nike the dog on during the draft, he's like a little wink to the crowd. But that NFL 100 thing that he did with Collinsworth when Brady flew in. He was so good.
Starting point is 01:03:10 He was better than Collinsworth. It's maybe the best thing the NFL films has done and Brady runs and Belichick runs point on it and is excellent. Well, I wonder like CBS, like we'll see what happens
Starting point is 01:03:20 with Romo and Nance. Like the Andrew Marchand in the New York Post just wrote a piece today basically like, are these guys ever going to have a resurgence? Is this just where we are for the rest of our...
Starting point is 01:03:31 They've got two monster games up ahead. The spotlight's on them and I wonder at some point does CBS go, shit, and Belichick's available for a year? Maybe we'll just bring them into the booth. I might be different. I don't know. You tell me and I don't usually dip into these words. I still think Romo's really good and exciting. I might be different. I don't know. You tell me and I don't usually dip into these. I still think Romo is really good and exciting.
Starting point is 01:03:49 And like, I enjoy Romo on these calls. I know there's been a lot of criticism of late, but like I thought he was pretty good against in Buffalo, Kansas City. He had a real like, I don't know. You feel like you're watching it with a guy at the bar and he also brings some energy and juice to it. The other guys are great too. Whether you talk about Olsen or Collinsworth or Aikman, of course, but I don't think Romo is so terrible. I know that people on Twitter
Starting point is 01:04:07 are just crushing him. I watched, this tells you where I am as a Patriots fan these days, I watched the fourth quarter in OT of the Pats-Chiefs game, the D4 game. Romo's out of his mind in that game. It's insane. He's calling every play. It honestly
Starting point is 01:04:23 seems like he came from the future and he's just spelling shit out. He's spelling the game. It's insane. He's calling every play. It honestly seems like he came from the future and he's just spelling shit out. He's spelling the momentum. And it's like, this is why we were so excited about this guy because it almost makes me, you don't think there's any chance the NFL said to him,
Starting point is 01:04:37 you can't predict stuff ahead of time because other teams can hear the signal calls and they can listen to the audio, the broadcast and hear the signals and different things. I think it was such a revelation on television. And when he gets on that telestrator and he's doing it all, I don't think it's a competitive advantage to other teams. I think it was just, he had recently retired. So he was still in that. So every year you're out. So this is one of the things with color guys, in general. One of the reasons Doc was so great on this podcast was he had just coached literally everybody for 20 years.
Starting point is 01:05:09 So he had this wealth of knowledge from day after day after day being in these war rooms trying to figure out how to beat guys, what their weaknesses were, what this team wasn't doing, what this guy wasn't doing. And I think the longer you get out of the league and in any sport, that becomes tougher. We've seen that with every announcer. That's why Collinsworth is somebody that I think fought it off.
Starting point is 01:05:29 I mean, he hasn't played for 30 plus years, but he's still on it. I mean, I think his career ended in the 90s. I think he was inside the NFL late 80s. And he was amazing
Starting point is 01:05:38 on inside the NFL. And those were really the days. That's when... So good. The Lenny Dawson, Nick Bonacotta years, and then you go from there to when he was with Marino and well,
Starting point is 01:05:47 the two thousands was when we had that. And we had, uh, inside edge with Ron Jaworski, whatever that shows NFL edge with NFL matchup. Yeah. NFL matchup. And those were the two,
Starting point is 01:05:57 they were must watch shows every week. Cause we didn't really have enough football content would air at like 7 30 AM on Sunday morning. Yeah. And it was, yes, you would have to tape 7 30 a.m on sunday morning and it was yes you would have to tape it on a on a tape with like before v before obviously dvr and i would do that i would watch it and you'd break down film i didn't know what the hell i was watching i loved it it was great uh real quick though on all these guys it's almost as if the regular season doesn't matter anymore but so many people are watching in the playoffs like you have to be great in these playoff games as players, but on the broadcast,
Starting point is 01:06:28 because we don't even know like how these guys are doing. Cause sometimes you're not watching every game as far as, Oh, I, cause you got red zone or whatever else, but like all eyes are watching you. So you get nitpicked really hard. And that's maybe why they make the money they do because there is such
Starting point is 01:06:40 scrutiny behind it. Well, it doesn't help that Greg Olson was lights out this year. And I don't know what happens to him next year. He's so good. Because it seems like Brady's going to do the number one job. So it's like, okay, this is where you need a sports czar. It's not just about like, I'm going to fix boxing.
Starting point is 01:06:58 I'm going to fix college football. The sports czar needs to be the common sense VP who comes in and says, look, Greg Olson can't be on the number two team. We're not doing that. Let's figure this out. Like, hey, Herbstreet, thanks for everything, but you're going to go back to college. We're going to get Ian Eagle and Greg Olson as our number one Amazon team. And let's just have the best people on each team. Olson being relegated to number two or number three, that would suck. Because I learned a lot of shit from that dude this year. Greg is so good.
Starting point is 01:07:29 And he's so good in the moment. Like he said something on Sunday's, on Saturday night's game where like, they were running Aaron Jones outside, outside, outside. And he's like, here's the deal with San Francisco's defensive ends. Like they are great pass rushers. They are great.
Starting point is 01:07:42 But like, this is not what they do best. I'm like, man, that's good. Because I see all these superstars on San Francisco's D line and it's like, why are they running all over them? Well, this is exactly where their weakness is. And I'm like, Greg is good in the moment. I also, I think he's a great team guy too. So I'm curious to see what happens, but I'm a Fox employee. So I support whatever decision they make. Well, I do wonder, does it just land on it's Brady with Greg Olson and Burkhart? And maybe they just say, hey, superpower, let's go. Three-man teams can be a little iffy. I think Brady's going to be really good too, though. I watched these little clips
Starting point is 01:08:16 that I put on for years. He had this podcast where he and Larry Fitzgerald would talk with Jim Gray and I didn't get anything out of it. And then in the last couple of months, he has had a few videos. He did a video on Mahomes this week that I thought was so good. And then he was telling stories with Edelman and Gronk about Belichick on the pod. And I'm like, all right, I'm ready for the Brady in the booth.
Starting point is 01:08:35 I think he could be really good if he's dedicated to this. And I think he is. That'd be great. Let's take a break and we'll talk about the games. Metrolinks and Crosslinks are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton Crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so.
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Starting point is 01:09:56 Niners are a little undervalued coming off those two games. So leaning toward the Niners. Casey plus three and a half, sign me up. Not going against Mahomes. Let's do this. They've figured it out. This is the 2018 Pats all over again. They're just going to duct tape and thumbtack
Starting point is 01:10:13 nail and scotch tape this thing and they're going to be in the Super Bowl again. This is what the NFL wants. They want Taylor Swift there. They're going to make it happen. If there was ever like, oh, there's five controversial calls in this game and somehow all five went against Baltimore,
Starting point is 01:10:29 this is the game. But I kept staring at it. I kept looking at 19 million different things. I read everything I could. And the more I stare at it, the Chiefs look like a sucker bet. Right now they're plus three and a half. They're in Baltimore.
Starting point is 01:10:44 And part of me wonders if this wasn't Mahomes. If it was somebody with the credentials of Mahomes, but not named Patrick Mahomes. Right. This line should be like Ravens by six and a half, Ravens by seven. And Mahomes, just by himself, by the sheer fear of going against Patrick Mahomes, has moved the line three to three and a half points. So I'm going to start there. Your thoughts? The silhouette of him waddling into the stadium and doing that Mahomes on his tippy-toe walk is enough to move the line three points. I hear you. I have done the same. I have done 15 hours of live television talking about this one game this week. And every which way, upside and down, it's coming up Ravens for me. Every single
Starting point is 01:11:33 way. I look at their defense. It's number one in everything. I look at the way the offense adjusted at halftime against Houston and how everyone's fears and anxieties were completely put to rest because they were able to adjust and Lamar used his arm and his legs to get it done. And I look at the crowd. This is one of those deals where your listeners will roll their eyes at me and say, oh, here we go. Schrager's stupid narrative that doesn't really matter in football, but it does. That place was bananas on Saturday. We're talking false start penalties. We're talking delay a game penalties. And that place, when it is rocking,
Starting point is 01:12:08 is as good as any home field advantage in the league, Arrowhead included, Detroit included. And on Saturday, you saw it. It was like an avalanche. Once they were able to get that thing going in the second half, it rolls. I got a press release from the Ravens PR guy, Chad Steele. He sent me this. I'm going to just read this to you quickly. Ravens PR guy, Chad Steele. He sent me this.
Starting point is 01:12:25 I'm going to just read this to you quickly. Ravens legends of the game on Sunday are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. The team will also recognize Ravens wide receiver Anquan Bolden, tight end Todd Heap, tight end Dennis Pitta, kicker Matt Stover, and outside linebacker Terrell Suggs during the game. And honorary captain Jonathan Ogden, an 11-time Pro Bowler and Ravens first-ever draft choice, will be there to serve as the Ravens honorary captain Jonathan Ogden, an 11-time Pro Bowler and Ravens' first-ever draft choice, will be there to serve as the Ravens' honorary captain.
Starting point is 01:12:47 In 2013, the Super Bowl champion became the first original Raven to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Look, I know these Baltimore fans. This place is going to be nuts on Sunday. And I just think it's hard for me to ignore it and just say, oh, well, because I'm a home So I am torn because, Bill, as we have discussed, we can go into the X's and O's and what Mike McDonald's team does and what they do on defense and how great their stories are. I'm closing my eyes. I'm trying to think of a situation outside of Mahomes and Kelsey. Just being Mahomes and Kelsey, it's really hard to pick the Chiefs here. I'll go further. If Mahomes wins this game, he has to go in the manifesto as you're never allowed to bet up against Patrick Bonds in the playoffs. That's just it. He just goes in. He becomes one of the rules going forward. Every single thing is against them. Even like, all right, let's go through their best wins
Starting point is 01:13:40 for the entire year. They beat the Jags by eight. They beat Minnesota by seven. They beat Miami in the regular season by seven in a game that Miami fumbled as they were going in for the tying score. In Germany. In Germany. They beat Cincy near the end of the season by eight. And we were like,
Starting point is 01:13:58 ah, Cincy might be back. Or Casey might be back. They look good. 25 to 17. They beat Miami in cold weather. And Miami's defense is decimated beyond decimated, right? So we're going to the playoffs. That line stays like around three.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Even though we all know Miami's defense is decimated and two is going to suck in the cold. And people are taking the Dolphins plus three, Dolphins money line. So they win that one convincingly. And then last week against Buffalo, which we had them, they win by three in Buffalo in a game where
Starting point is 01:14:29 it was an either-or game. It was going back and forth, but Buffalo's defense was pretty decimated. I don't know what happened to Stephon Diggs this year. No Gabe Davis. They barely squeezed that out. I guess my point is
Starting point is 01:14:44 the body evidence just isn't there that this is a good team. It's a team that's pulled out wins and it's a team that if it's close, you can't let them hang around and they'll get you in the end. But Baltimore, what do they have? 10, 11 wins against playoff teams. That's like one of the best records ever. 11 wins against teams that had winning records this year. And then. Which was a record. Yes. And how they beat teams,
Starting point is 01:15:10 Bill. I'm talking Detroit came in there as like the hot team. They blew them out. Seattle was the hot team. They blew them out. Miami was for the first seed in the, in the AFC, blew them out,
Starting point is 01:15:19 go to San Francisco, blow them out. And then last week, Houston in the second half, what they did to Houston was demoralizing. They just absolutely rolled them when they had to and it clicked. Last week, I felt really good about the
Starting point is 01:15:32 Chiefs. Me too. I like the fact that the Chiefs had an extra two days of rest. Buffalo played on a Monday then had to play on a Sunday. The Chiefs played on a Saturday night, had to play on a Sunday night. Chiefs played on a Saturday night, had to play on a Sunday night. This week, the Ravens have the extra day of rest. The Ravens come in just about completely healthy.
Starting point is 01:15:52 Chiefs, Joe Tooney, we're not sure what his status is. I think he's out. It sounds like it. At first, it sounded like he's going to play through it. He's tough. You know what he is. But when you don't practice for a couple of days, that makes me a little nervous. Well, he's either out or He's tough. You know what he is. But when you don't practice for a couple days, that makes me a little nervous. Well, he's either out or he's compromised. Totally. And he might be there. And from a run game standpoint, even 60%, Joe, I don't
Starting point is 01:16:13 know. But Pacheco, so if you're making the case for them, couple positives. One is that their offense, since they had that terrible Vegas loss, so they have Cincinnati. Now, Cincinnati has a bad defense, but they're 7.0 yards per play. Pacheco is 18 for 130.
Starting point is 01:16:29 They finally got Pacheco going. 273 total yards. Miami in the cold. They're 409 yards, 22 first downs. Pacheco's 24 for 97. Last week against Buffalo, 7.7 yards a play. Pacheco's 15 for 97. So there's an arrow pointing up for him that they
Starting point is 01:16:46 can run the ball. And they also, in those three games, they had three different guys had 20 plus catch plays. So their explosive plays, even though they don't seem explosive, they're actually making those plays, which is what killed them all year. Where I get nervous is like Valdez-Gantley made that catch. Two catches. Two 30-yard catches. Two hard ones. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 01:17:09 Rice made a really hard catch in traffic. They've been dropping those balls all year. What happens the first time you drop one of those in Baltimore? Totally.
Starting point is 01:17:16 The crowd's going nuts. It's going to be a little rainy potentially. Yeah, it's going to rain. So that worries me. And then the other thing that's positive for them,
Starting point is 01:17:24 they really have shut down explosive pass plays. So going back, like New England didn't even have a pass over 10 yards against them. Cincinnati only had two 20 plusers. Vegas only had one. Miami in the playoffs, Tyreek for 53. That's it. Nobody had more than 20. Buffalo last week, 15 yards was their max long pass. So if it could be like this, Baltimore just never gets anything deep, never anything, no like 38-yarder, and they just have to grind, grind, grind. And it's a weird, ugly, disjointed 21-17 game. Yeah, then you have Mahomes in the fourth quarter. Yeah, if Mahomes is within three points in the fourth quarter, all bets are off. This is, does Baltimore come in and roll them because they just have
Starting point is 01:18:08 this crazy crowd, all the momentum, and they score in their first two possessions. And it's like we have the most suffocating defense in the league. I truly think, you know, last, they had the big play. Tyreek had the big play against the Chiefs and it was 10-7 and it was like, all right, what are we going to do here? And then they just shut down Miami. And then last
Starting point is 01:18:24 week, you know, Allen has that miraculous pass on third down to Shakir at the end of the third quarter. They take the lead. And then Kansas City just said, let's stop it. Let's just shut them down. Yeah, they shut down the run. They shut it down.
Starting point is 01:18:38 So it's like, here's how this will go. Baltimore wins, I think, by 21. Or Kansas City wins by a field goal because you kept Mahomes around and did something miraculous. Yeah, I'm looking at that Baltimore first half Baltimore game. Like, if Baltimore doesn't win this game,
Starting point is 01:18:57 this is a bad... Mahomes, it's Mahomes. It's not even anything against Baltimore. Well, it's for Mahomes. They're young enough. No, it's really bad for Lamar if he can't win this game. Really?
Starting point is 01:19:04 Because his team's better. I think he slayed some dragons last week playing the way he did. No, it's really bad for Lamar if he can't win this game. Really? Because his team is better. I think he slayed some dragons last week playing the way he did. He beat the Houston Texans who were plus 5'8 to make the playoffs. He needs to win this game. And I think the line reflects that the public doesn't totally trust him in a big game. And they may trust Mahomes too much. So you saw this. This would happen with Brady and the Pats occasionally
Starting point is 01:19:25 where they got so much credit for being Brady and the Pats. Sometimes people were kind of overlooking, eh, this isn't the same kind of team. Their body of work with the Chiefs just hasn't been good compared to Baltimore, which has been incredible. The body of work, Bill, isn't just this year. To me, the body of work is the last six years. The playoff.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Yeah, I'm just talking this season. Sure. But all that to me is secondary to the experience and the know-how of that. We've been in these spots before. They haven't. And I think that's where you're picking the Kansas City Chiefs. If you're a Chiefs fan, you're like, All right, well, we've been there.
Starting point is 01:19:59 We've been on the road. We did it last week. We've been in big spots. We've been in Super Bowls. And Mahomes, I loved his comment last week after the game. They were like, what did it feel like to win your first road playoff game? And he finally said, he's like, look, we
Starting point is 01:20:11 played on the road in the Super Bowl in Tampa against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was a road game. We played in the Super Bowl last year in Arizona. That's on the road. We played in Miami. That was a nonsense narrative. This one might be a little different. I know Buffalo's fans were great and they were loud and Kelsey was jumping around shirtless. The team just wasn't good enough. I know Buffalo's fans were great and they were loud and Kelsey was jumping around
Starting point is 01:20:26 shirtless. The team just wasn't good enough. I just don't think they were good enough. The Ravens are way better than Buffalo is. They're way better. And the other thing,
Starting point is 01:20:34 they're number one on offense. They're the number one rushing team. Chiefs are 17th against the rush. Buffalo felt like for three quarters
Starting point is 01:20:44 they were running the ball on them. They were so committed to it. I'm not sure what happened at the end. They put the felt like for three quarters, they were running the ball. They were so committed to it. They were trying. I'm not sure what happened at the end. They put the numbers up. They did. They were running the ball well. Also, Kelsey.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Kelsey gave the Chiefs, I would say, a good two hours last Sunday. I don't think he has three and a half hours in him anymore. And I think this is a three and a half hour Kelsey game if you're going to beat Baltimore. It's true. He made the two touchdown passes and the catches. And the one that was cool is that, and I think Peter Kelsey game if you're going to beat Baltimore. It's true. He made the two touchdown passes
Starting point is 01:21:05 and the catches. And the one that was cool is that, and I think Peter King had it in his Monday column, is that it was a play that Andy Reid used in 2011. He brought it out, like the one where
Starting point is 01:21:13 they scored on the goal line. But I noticed in a lot of big plays, Kelsey was not in. He runs to the sideline. He wasn't in a lot of these. He seemed tired a couple of times. Totally. There was one time
Starting point is 01:21:24 where he called himself to be taken out. After they missed him in the end zone, he ran right off. And it was like a big third down. I was like, that's not usual. But this is it. Hey, look, here's the truth of the matter for me. Everything tells me Ravens. And if you want to get personal with it, my son loves Lamar.
Starting point is 01:21:39 My wife's from Baltimore. I'm going to go to the game. I'll be there. All this stuff. It feels like this has to be Ravens. And but before the season, Bill, I picked the Chiefs to win it all. And my mantra on Good Morning Football
Starting point is 01:21:49 and on your podcast was I cannot pick against Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid until they give me a reason to pick against them. And us saying, well, the other team has got a best defense and on paper this
Starting point is 01:22:01 and Anquan Bolden's going to be in the house just doesn't feel convincing enough. So I don't care if it's by one point or two points. defense and on paper this and Anquan Bolden's going to be in the house just doesn't feel convincing enough. I don't care if it's by one point or two points. I have to go by my original conviction. I still am picking the Chiefs even though every ounce of my body is telling me Ravens.
Starting point is 01:22:15 First half game for the Ravens where they win both is even money on Fandle. I find it hard to believe the Ravens are going to lose the first half and then win the game. The Chiefs are winning at halftime. It's like, oh my God, the Chiefs are going to win this. I guess my question with the Chiefs is they're not going to win every year. Like even Brady and the Pats didn't do that. And if they're not going to win on a certain year,
Starting point is 01:22:40 just even get into the AFC title game is Amazing. There's going to be years where you kind of don't totally have it. And maybe this is just a, we didn't totally have it. And maybe the Miami and Buffalo wins kind of threw people off the scent a tiny bit versus Baltimore, who has been telling us now for three months, who they are, how good they are. They've, they've taken down every single opponent you could throw at them convincingly and they're awesome at home. So if they lose this, this is a bad loss, man. I know. For Baltimore did last week's win over
Starting point is 01:23:12 sometimes you feel it. Last week's win over Buffalo did that feel like alright, they did that. Great season. You can go to bed if you're a Chiefs fan. We did it. We beat Josh Allen again. No, because they're thinking Super Bowls. But I think their offense didn't do anything in the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 01:23:29 They got really lucky that Allen, right as he's about to hit Gabe Davis in the end zone, Chris Jones shoves whoever that lineman is and just knocks him off by a split second. And Allen was bad on those last two drives. He just was. He went for the money shot. He went for the money shot. He hero balled it.
Starting point is 01:23:46 He did. He hero balled twice. Playoff manifesto rules here. What do we got? Beware of the looked a little too good the previous playoff round team, which is definitely Baltimore. But they've looked a little too good
Starting point is 01:23:58 previous week for three months. Make sure the team of the home field advantage actually has a home field advantage actually has a home field advantage. I think it'll be a madhouse on Sunday. Yeah. They haven't had a home AFC championship game since
Starting point is 01:24:15 1971 in War Memorial Stadium. I love that. Two possible new rules. One is come on, seriously, what does the NFL really, really, really want to happen here? Do they want Baltimore in here?
Starting point is 01:24:33 Do they want KC? The referee who got assigned to this game, favorable to the road team, there's been some good stats and numbers about that this week. Warren Sharpe had some good stuff. You think the Taylor Swift thing is way more of a win than Lamar, a new star, and Lamar Jackson? No, it's Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift in the
Starting point is 01:24:49 Super Bowl is the win. So, I'm just saying that's a possible new manifesto rule if the Chiefs win and there's like five weird calls. Second question for you. Let me just keep on buzzing you with this because you know this stuff more than anyone entertainment-wise. She is supposed to be in Tokyo for a world tour. Would
Starting point is 01:25:05 she cancel a date in Tokyo to be at the Super Bowl? Yes. Okay. Keep going. Yeah. The other new role goes Zags against that one I just gave you. Just never bet against Patrick Mahomes in a playoff game. It's just he's now off the table.
Starting point is 01:25:22 You can't pick against him and that would be the new manifesto rule if he wins this game. Just like he's out. We had the rule for Brady. It's like don't fucking bet against Brady. Just don't.
Starting point is 01:25:31 Don't bet against Brady Belcher. Or it's like you don't have to bet. Just enjoy the game. Yeah. Don't bet. Just scale back. Put him in a tease. Do whatever.
Starting point is 01:25:39 So those new rules are sick. Niners, Lions. I mean, I'll just go through the manifesto rules now because they're not Niners, Lions. I mean, I'll just go through the manifesto rules now because they're not good for the Lions. But where have the
Starting point is 01:25:50 everybody believes in us team and the nobody believes in our QB but us team? Ha! Is that a real thing? That was rule number five. So we have the Lions that everyone's all in on.
Starting point is 01:26:00 I mean, everybody. Yeah. And then we have the Brock Purdy situation where he looks bad in the rain. Brock Purdy sucks. I'm out on Brock Purdy. And the Niners now
Starting point is 01:26:09 defending Brock Purdy this week, which I noted. Did you watch the sound from yesterday? Like, Brandon Ayuk's coming out there talking about Purdy as if he's, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:16 Tom Brady and Peyton Manning all in one. Yeah. So you got that. Never pick an underdog unless you genuinely believe that it has a chance to win. The Lions defense winning the NFC title game on the road with what we've seen from the Lions defense
Starting point is 01:26:31 is suspicious. I would just leave it there. They ask, but where rule number seven, of all dome teams playing outdoors, especially in cold weather, it's not going to be that cold, but still rule number 10, when in doubt, gravitate toward one pick that would screw over the most gamblers and experts and would definitely go against the single worst gambler you know. That, I think, is a Niners-Ravens tease at minus 110, so that's maybe in the Lions' favor.
Starting point is 01:26:57 Possible new rule. You can't dismiss the nerd evidence when it's absolutely overwhelming. You just can't. I'm just going to read you these stats. San Francisco's offense versus Detroit's defense this year. San Francisco offense, first yards per play, Detroit, D, 23rd. San Francisco's offense, second first downs, Detroit, 22nd. San Francisco's offense, first red zone, Detroit, 29th. San Francisco,
Starting point is 01:27:21 first yards per play, Detroit, 23rd. San Francisco, fourth yards per play, Detroit 23rd. San Francisco, fourth pass, Detroit 27th. And then we had, Warren Sharp was talking about how Goff targets the middle of the field more than any QB. 53% target rate. You're not going to believe this,
Starting point is 01:27:38 but San Francisco's defense, fucking awesome at the middle of the field. You know who they have? Fred Warner on their team. So you have that. And then Nate Tice, who wrote a good piece this week, he was saying...
Starting point is 01:27:49 I like that guy. This is the first year I started reading his stuff. What's he at? Yeah. I think he's Yahoo. He said, No defense since week nine has allowed more explosive passes when defending play action than the Lions.
Starting point is 01:28:03 Well, who's the best play action offense in the league? It's the San Francisco 49ers. 9.3 yards per play. So that's all bad for the Lions. Make sure the team in the home field advantage actually has a home field advantage in another role. Niners, it's okay. I don't love this stadium.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Here's the thing, though. Their fans are great. They travel as good as any fan base. It's a weird stadium. I went there for WrestleMania. It's just kind of big. It's in Santa Clara also. It's not Candlestick
Starting point is 01:28:30 where you'd walk through a parking lot and you have to look six ways because people are shouting things at you. It's different. It's a nicer crowd, obviously. It's a kinder, gentler crowd. I would say that. But that fan base,
Starting point is 01:28:41 they show up and they come out with that boom box. They've had some big home wins. Yeah. And then the last one is just take one last look at the quarterbacks. Basically, everything's pushing me to the Niners. And I think if you do it, you have to assume that they're going to just do the Shanahan
Starting point is 01:29:01 where they just take control early and they just dominate the game. The flip side would be they go three and out to start the game. The Lions start running the ball. Gibbs gets going. Or the flip side is you're in a shootout and the Lions offense can score and all of a sudden you're asking Purdy to throw for 350 and
Starting point is 01:29:19 four touchdowns and that's not his game. It's not. But I have a couple more things for you. Detroit's defense, Tampa went 6.8 yards per play. Evans, 8 for 147. Ram, 7.7 yards per play. Puka, 9 for 181. Dallas, 6.2 yards per play. Lamb, 13 for 227. Green Bay against them, 7.0 yards per play. Watson, 5 for 94, two touchdowns.
Starting point is 01:29:49 And then roped everyone into spending $50 on him on fantasy and then suck. Chargers, 6.2 yards a play. 38 points. Allen, 11 catches, 175 yards. This thing cannot stop
Starting point is 01:30:00 monster receivers. So this feels like, like you could say it feels like an IU game. Yeah. So this feels like, like you could say, it feels like an IU game. Yeah. Feels like a Warner game. It feels like a McCaffrey game because of the way they can run.
Starting point is 01:30:14 And just a lot of their Niners are lined up on this. The big elephant in the room is obviously the playoff experience of the Niners versus the Lions. But the biggest X factor is Debo Samuel's health. I thought Purdy was unbelievable
Starting point is 01:30:26 that final drive and the guys he was throwing to Juwan Jennings. And then of course, hitting number 84, Chris Conley, who I admittedly did not know was on the team in a huge shot on the sidelines. Purdy led them the whole way down. And then of course, McCaffrey scores. I think that was major. But if Debo is good and Juszczyk is out there and McCaffrey's lining up all over the place, I don't know if there's a more dangerous offense in a playoff game because you don't know who to defend and they just get in their rhythm and they go. But Debo, right now, they're saying he's not out.
Starting point is 01:30:56 They're saying that he's not practicing. But to me, that tells me if you're going into Friday, it means he's probably going to play and he's probably going to leave it out there. And if you get even a little bit of Debo, you have to worry about him and prepare. Can I give you a hot take on Debo? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:12 He reminds me of Porzingis on the Celtics. Talk about it. I love this. Let's hear it. I was going to think he was more of a Reuben Patterson, but go on. Porzingis is the superpower for the Celtics. He makes them really special in the right series because he brings the size
Starting point is 01:31:28 and three-point shooting. They can put him in pick and roll. But they can also, if he was gone for a week, they could figure out how to be okay without him, right? And in this game, I think Ayuk is the key guy
Starting point is 01:31:40 because all the receivers who have torched the Lions over the past two months are all these down the field threats that just get open that over and over again are dusting somebody and Debo is, you know, if you're going to compare it to the Rams game, right? Puka went nuts, Kup didn't do a lot.
Starting point is 01:31:56 Kup's more of the underneath. They use him a little bit like Debo and he couldn't get going. Now that might say more about Kup, but it just feels like Ayuk is more important. Ayuk and Kittle are more important for them in this game than Debo. So anything Debo gives them,
Starting point is 01:32:11 I think, is a bonus. I don't think they need him to win the game, though. I think last week, Juwan Jennings having five catches on six targets, including all those big third downs. Those were huge plays.
Starting point is 01:32:21 I will add this. Been doing it for a couple years, by the way, Juwan Jennings. Yes, you see him number 15 you're like who's 15 oh it's that guy oh yes that guy who caught the 28 yarder
Starting point is 01:32:29 last week for a touchdown they call him third and Juwan like he's that guy and he's the locker room guy too the pump up guy and you saw what he did
Starting point is 01:32:36 on the sidelines where he threw the guy into the Gatorade tank like that's apparently how he is always but Debo is their shit talker and Debo is their tone setter. So Debo and Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
Starting point is 01:32:47 have been yapping all season long about each other. And I kind of like having Debo on the field just for his, I would say almost, the machismo, like what he brings out there. It's just like alpha stuff
Starting point is 01:33:00 that Debo brings out there. And it's like, we got Trent Williams. He's going to pound you. We've got McCaffrey. He's going to, we got you checking Kittle. You know they're going to kick your ass. And oh yeah, we got Trent Williams. He's going to pound you. We've got McCaffrey. We got you, Sheck and Kittle.
Starting point is 01:33:06 You know they're going to kick your ass. And oh yeah, we got me too. And I could lower the shoulder. So I like having Debo out there a lot more than not having him. I think it's actually
Starting point is 01:33:13 a really big deal. My other fear for the Lions, Joan Jackson, their left guard, who everybody says is really good. I'm not about to pretend to know a lot about
Starting point is 01:33:22 the guards in the NFL. But everybody's like, that guy's really awesome. And then Ragnow, the center who got hurt twice last week. Yeah. So 100%. Um,
Starting point is 01:33:33 I just, this to me feels like the lions at home. I still feel like the Rams could have, and probably should have won that game. And then Tampa, that game was way too close last week, but the lions pull both of them out, but they're at home. They have a massive home field advantage because it's so loud in there. Now that game was way too close last week, but the Lions pulled both of them out, but they're at home.
Starting point is 01:33:45 They have a massive home field advantage because it's so loud in there. Now that's a way. Now that defense, which wasn't even good with a lot of noise and a massive home field advantage. Now you're going to San Francisco against a team that we were all saying the whole year was the most talented offense in the league, Debo or no Debo. The only thing that makes me feel okay about them, if you're going to make the case for the Lions, other than too many points, I'll take the points, I'll take my chances.
Starting point is 01:34:10 They're really physical and they're a little bit cheap, too. They hold a lot. There's a lot of things that aren't called every player's defense. They'll hit guys low. They took out Higby in the round one game. I wouldn't say they're dirty.
Starting point is 01:34:25 I would say they're very physical. And that like they get away with a lot of things. They're like right on the line of, yeah, just like, ooh, I don't know about that play. And I think with the Niners, I want to see somebody just smash them out their offense. McCaffrey, guy who's gone down a lot. Debo, he's already hurt. Kittle has been hurt a bunch. Purdy, who knows?
Starting point is 01:34:42 Are they going to go into this game and just be like, we're going fucking 1978 Raiders on these guys. 1977 Raiders. We're going after everybody. Yeah, we're hitting people over the middle. Jack Tatum. Who's that guy, Branch, number 32? Yeah, Cliff Branch.
Starting point is 01:34:57 He hits a couple guys a little late, takes the penalty. He's fine. The old Branch from the Raiders. Okay, yes. Yes, Brian Branch from Clemson, 32. Yes. So that would be my one thing that worries me is that Campbell gets them so aggro
Starting point is 01:35:13 and it's just like, we're beating the shit out of these guys. Too fired up. I feel the same way about the Lions. Like I did the Packers last week. They feel like they're a year away. Now I know they're a lot older and they've got Decker and you've got Ragnow. These are veterans and these guys have been there. And Chelsea Gardner Decker and you've got Ragnow. These are veterans.
Starting point is 01:35:25 And these guys have been there. And Chelsea Gardner-Johnson's a veteran. All these guys are veterans. And golf, of course, has been in big games. But I just feel like this is San Francisco's year. And next year might be Detroit's year. Getting to the NFC Championship game is a major accomplishment. And their home crowd stuff was awesome.
Starting point is 01:35:40 And winning the NFC North and all these first-time-since stuff is great. I feel like San Francisco, this is their year. They've been primed for it. And they've been the best team all season in the NFC North and all these first time since stuff is great. I feel like San Francisco, this is their year. They've been primed for it and they've been the best team all season in the NFC. And why would they all of a sudden drop the ball here against that Lions team that is coming on the road into unfriendly territory? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:56 Maybe it's their 2018 Chiefs moment where they almost get there, but it lays the foundation or like the 2012 Seahawks was like, Oh man, we almost beat the Falcons. But here we go. Now we laid all the groundwork. I, if you're thinking narratives, just in general, like we're heading into the Super Bowl. Narratives that make sense to me are San Francisco being in the game. And we just get to talk about Purdy for two weeks.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Because that's been one of the dominant words. And then you go on the other side, like Lamar. Anyone could have had him. Anyone could have made an offer. Nobody did. Now his one gave away. Anyone could have had him twice. He was the 32nd overall pick.
Starting point is 01:36:35 And then this, of course, this offseason was weird in the fact that no one did jump and try to just give the house away for him. And then if Mahomes somehow made it, then it becomes, holy shit. Greatest ever. He is now like, if he can stay healthy and get a few
Starting point is 01:36:52 more, this is going to be a wrap. Brady should be officially concerned. I put a tweet out yesterday. I took to Twitter and I said, because Lamar was talking about Mahomes, he's a Hall of Famer. I'm a good player. Two of us are heavyweights. And I said, because Lamar was like, he's a Hall of Fame, talking about Mahomes, like he's a Hall of Famer. I'm a good player. I'm a heavyweight.
Starting point is 01:37:06 Two of us are heavyweights. And I said, if Patrick Mahomes never takes a snap again, and God forbid, we would have, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer unanimous.
Starting point is 01:37:14 And the response was like, of course he is, you fucking idiot. Like everyone was like, yes. So it's not even debated. Like, he never has to play
Starting point is 01:37:21 another game again. And Mahomes already has accomplished that much. Terrell Davis is in. Yes. Yeah. It's the Terrell Davis much. Terrell Davis is in. Yeah. It's the Terrell Davis line. Terrell Davis, not a long career, but he was like, no, I think he should be in. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:31 He's probably the best running back I've ever seen. One more guy for the Lions is Brock Wright, their best blocker. Well, he's the tight end. And he's the guy that had the big third and one. He had a 29-yard play. That was huge last week. So I'm just thinking about it because everyone's like, Detroit, they can run the ball.
Starting point is 01:37:47 They're missing their blocker tight end. They brought in Zach Ertz. Zach Ertz is who they brought in. On a week? Who hasn't played football all year? Hasn't played football in a couple months and is more of a pass-catching tight end than a blocking one. But yeah, no, Brock Wright's a very big important part of everything. Jonah Jackson's important.
Starting point is 01:38:04 Those are big losses. Yeah, I just wonder, because you're going into the game and you're going, oh, Lions, they'll be able to run the ball. And then the first play, they just get stoned on three plays. Now the Niners are coming down.
Starting point is 01:38:15 Now it's 7-0, and you're just like, oh, man, why did I take the Lions? I'm much more confident on the Niners. I see you on the Chiefs. I think in your heart, you know the Ravens are the right pick. You just don't want to vary from your Super Bowl pick. But to me, it almost seems too easy. Maybe this is a playoff manifesto rule down the road, but the matchup that seems too easy in the Super Bowl, maybe that should be a be careful. One more piece of this. I am watching the Ravens Chiefs games with, uh,
Starting point is 01:38:47 with Mallory Rubin in Chicago because we're doing the rewatchables the next day. She's going to be a nervous wreck, man. Yeah. People were like, wow, she's going to be, she's going to be a, a, a lunatic. And I'm like, yeah, either way, if they win, she's going to be a lunatic. She's going to cry mess about the women. I'm going to have to lock all the windows in the hotel. So I think that's a positive for the Ravens game, though. Good vibes. I'm bringing all my Boston title karma. What is the rewatchables that night? Do we know which one it is?
Starting point is 01:39:19 Monday night, we're doing The Fugitive. Okay, that's a great movie. Yeah. I will be in Baltimore and this is the coolest thing. I am going not for NFL Network, not for Fox,
Starting point is 01:39:32 not for my podcast. I'm going with my son. I'm going as a fan. I'm going to be sitting in the crowd and I'm just going to go and enjoy this one. I think this is going to be an all-time game
Starting point is 01:39:40 and I'm going to be excited to see it. And if I happen to bump into Taylor or Jason or whoever else, then I'll mix it up. But I think this'm going to be excited to see it. And if I happen to bump into Taylor or Jason or whoever else, then I'll mix it up. But I think this is going to be one of those, where were you when that game happened? I think it's going to be that epic between Mahomes and Lamar on Sunday. Yeah. Some people are saying this would be an all-timer. I don't know if the Chiefs are good enough to produce an all-timer. To me, if this is a close game, that means it's probably ugly and weird and disjointed
Starting point is 01:40:08 and, you know, Baltimore's defense is too good. They're awesome. Do you think it matters it's the early window? Like, is there ever, because I remember watching Falcons-Vikings in 98, and it was the early window, and then it was Broncos-Jets. I remember being so just exhausted from
Starting point is 01:40:23 that early window. Do you think it matters that it's the early window? Could you still have an all-time great conference championship game if it's the early window. And then it was Broncos-Jets. I remember being so just exhausted from that early window. Do you think it matters that it's the early window? Could you still have an all-time great conference championship game if it's the early one? I think so. I think so too. I think the case for the Chiefs is if it basically is like that Baltimore Rams overtime game. They run the ball. I think in that game, Kyron Williams had like 125 yards
Starting point is 01:40:40 rushing. Stafford was lights out. He was like 300 plus and three TDs. And they kept moving the ball back and forth. They lose an OT out. He was like 300 plus and three TDs and they kept moving the ball back and forth. They lose an OT. But so it hasn't, it's not like we haven't seen the right kind of team.
Starting point is 01:40:51 But the Rams, I think their weapons are just better than KC's weapons. One more thing. Chris Jones made, I think, a million and a half dollars
Starting point is 01:40:58 for being a first team all pro. I think he made another million for hitting nine sacks. I think he makes another million if they make the Super Bowl. So these are a little interesting nuggets if you want to keep your eyes open for me.
Starting point is 01:41:09 Can I give you two quick bets? Props? Yes. Fred Warner interception. What do you think the odds are? Plus 360. 12 to one on FanDuel. You like him picking off Jared Goff over the middle?
Starting point is 01:41:25 I think that's this. We almost hit the overtime last week with the Chiefs-Bills. Oh my God, 12-1. We had it. I think Fred Warner interception is the fun, crazy prop. And then there's a parlay of San Francisco wins the first half in the game. And then you can take the over down to over 39.5 points. 40 points covers it.
Starting point is 01:41:45 And that's basically even. It's minus 112. And that seems pretty solid. What were the odds on a DeMar Hamlin up-back fake punt call? Were there any odds on that last week? No, we did not have that one. I think if you're betting Chiefs, I like Casey Moneyline, Pacheco 70-plus rush, Kelsey and Rice, both 40 plus for receiving.
Starting point is 01:42:09 That's like five to one. And then there's some Ravens stuff where I think you could bet them first half game, Justice Hill, 25 yards, Gus Edwards, 25 yards. Lamar scores a TD. You can get to like five to one. What do you think of Dalvin Cook? I was looking for Dalvin Cook odds because I thought he looked like the best running back. He was. Really?
Starting point is 01:42:32 Yeah, I feel like we could be hearing from him, right? Yes. Especially second half, going against that Chiefs D. This is my last odds stat. Gus Edwards and Isaiah Pacheco, the two starting running backs in this game, both
Starting point is 01:42:47 Rutgers running backs representing the Scarlet Knights. Let's go. Is that true? A former Belichick favorite school who's grabbing Rutgers people. Before we go, have you heard anything about the 1-2-3 in the draft for the QBs? Is it too early?
Starting point is 01:43:04 No, we could chat about it. I heard that. I just want to know quick, because this is my half of my life revolves around this now. Yeah, I think Williams is definitely looked at as the number one first one off the board, whether it's Chicago or not. That's why we have three months to build up for it. And I'm hoping they don't trade the pick yet so we can at least debate that. And then it's a crapshoot because you see Daniel Jeremiah, who I absolutely love. He's got May at number two. And then I saw Mel Kuyper had Daniels at number two. And I think you can go either or. It depends what you like. They're two very different quarterbacks. Daniels,
Starting point is 01:43:35 of course, the big upside, the superstar sensation. And May is more of your traditional dropback quarterback. And it's going to go those three, one, two, three. It depends on what the order though. I think Caleb's one. And then at two and three, you can kind of mix and match where you like it. I don't remember a top three where you could make a case for each guy and each spot in a while. Cause you could tell me, like I was,
Starting point is 01:43:58 I was texting cause the ringer NFL draft show we have, they did a really good show this week, but they didn't talk about the QBs. And I was like, guys, I need QB talk every week. Like I just, This is an order. As someone who's in a content world like you and we do the NFL Network show, I love the teams. I mean, you're talking about the Chicago market. That was my point. The Boston market. Yeah. The Giants. The greatest successor.
Starting point is 01:44:20 And Washington. There's so many different things involved. I asked them though, how fast would Jaden Daniels have to run in the combine for people to lose their minds and talk about that? I was like, if Jaden Daniels runs a 4.29 in the 40, what happens? And Solak's like, if he does a 4.29, I'll eat like 10 pounds of cheese that night. The cheese and the bird watching.
Starting point is 01:44:47 But we were like, what is it though? Like a 4.38? Is it a 4.35? What number to get people to lose their fucking minds about him? Because he does feel like he could go into the combine and people would lose their minds. Here's the wild card on Daniels, which I haven't't seen anywhere else but multiple people have hit me with and they're like the Raiders of the 13th pick they are not in quarterback distance
Starting point is 01:45:10 for any of those guys but Antonio Pierce was at Arizona State with Jaden Dan and the two of them are apparently very tight is there a way that the Raiders can somehow mortgage their entire future and move up and get that guy that's something I would watch just for the connection of coach and quarterback because you know they hired Antonio Pierce and people around the
Starting point is 01:45:28 league were like, really? You've got Bill Belichick and Mike Vrabel and you're hiring Antonio Pierce. I think if you can get him a quarterback out of the gates and not force him to play with a retread or go with Aiden O'Connell, you're a lot better off. But the 13th pick is just out of striking range. I think that's too far. I think Atlanta at eight to me seems conceivable because you're a lot better off, but the 13th pick is just out of striking range. I think that's too far. I think Atlanta at 8 to me seems conceivable because you're only going back 5 spots. You're still getting one of the awesome receivers. You're getting
Starting point is 01:45:53 other first-round picks from him, all that stuff. All three of these guys are going to get torn apart too in the next three months, so be ready. We might be talking about they're all incredible, but there will be flaws, and there will be S2 cognition tests, and there will be wonderlicks. You know how we do it. We tear them down and then we build them up. Peter Schrager, great to see you as always. Let's go. Million Dollar Picks Conference Championship Weekend, or as some of us call it, round three. You might remember after week eight of the 2023
Starting point is 01:46:27 NFL season on Million Dollar Picks, I was down $1.93 million and I was really bummed out. I was like, what's happened? What's happened to me? Why can't I get this together? What am I not seeing? I had even my preseason picks, I had the Patriots to make the playoffs and the Giants to make the playoffs. I was like, I'm just off. I'm off this season. Maybe it's just not my year. And you know what? A lot of people would have quit. I wasn't one of those people. I was like, what am I doing wrong? You know what I did? A lot of self-reflection. I reevaluated my entire process and I came to the conclusion, I'm not working hard enough. I got to work harder on these picks. I got to study more. I got to take more notes during the games.
Starting point is 01:47:11 I can turn this around. Well, guess what? Over the next 12 weeks on million dollar picks, betting basically $300,000 a game max or less, I won $5.068 million. And I'm not saying that to brag. It could end this week. I'm just saying I didn't quit. What has every sports movie we've ever loved in the history of mankind taught us? Don't quit. Don't give up. You're going to hit a dark moment. You can crawl your way back. Well, last 12 weeks on my big bets, anything basically over 150,000, I'm 39, 19, and one. You can go back. You can go listen to every one of them. I think that's the record. I've been doing really well, which leads me to conference championship weekend on Million Dollar Picks, conference championship weekend, not round three. We're not allowed to call it round three. I like the Niners and I like the Ravens. And we talked about all this with
Starting point is 01:48:14 Peter Schrager. All week I was in my head, I'm going to take the Chiefs. I'm going to take the Chiefs. I'm going to make the Chiefs. And they just look like a sucker bet. It just looks like a mistake. It looks like this line should be six and a half or seven. It's already moved to four in some spots. It's three and a half on FanDuel. And basically, if you're taking the Chiefs, you're saying, I'm going to ignore the fact that they really haven't had any really decisive good wins against a good team all season. I'm going to ignore the fact that they trounced this Miami defense that was decimated in freezing cold weather when Tua was helpless. I'm going to ignore the fact that they barely beat
Starting point is 01:48:52 Buffalo, a team that was missing a slew of defensive starters and Gabe Davis and kind of gave the game away, if you want to be honest. I'm in on the Chiefs' comeback story. The NFL wants this. They want Taylor Swift at the Super Bowl. Don't overthink this. Always bet on Mahomes. And if you're going to bet that, and you're going to take the plus three and a half in the hook, I honestly can't blame you.
Starting point is 01:49:16 Because if Mahomes wins this with an inferior team in Baltimore, a team with an awesome home field advantage, a team that has more decisive playoff wins or wins against playoff teams and winning teams than basically anyone in recent NFL history. Name a challenger. They've come in and smoked them or beaten them or outlasted them. And now they're home and this is their moment. And the Chiefs are coming in, not really positive what they're great at other than having Patrick Mahomes.
Starting point is 01:49:47 They're good enough on defense, not great. We haven't seen them have to play from behind in a lot of games. And when they have, it hasn't been awesome. Kelsey, does he have three good hours in him? Because we're going to need that. We've seen him with a good hour, maybe a good two hours, but three, not really. Pacheco is their biggest asset in this game. Can he just run the ball? Can they control the clock? Can they make it a low scoring, ugly 21-17 type of game? They could. I fully acknowledge it. But I think this is the Ravens
Starting point is 01:50:21 time. And I think they have the best team in the AFC. At least we'll find out if it's the best team in the league, their home, everything's lined up. And I like the Ravens to win. Now the minus three and a half we'll get to later. I want to put the Ravens in a tease with the Niners, this Niners offense versus the Lions defense, who, as we talked about with Schrager, um, Tampa moved the ball on them however they wanted. So did the Rams. There's all these games that you can go back over the last half of the season, the playoffs, where teams, big yards per play, receivers over and over again.
Starting point is 01:50:58 There's always one receiver on the other team who seems to have a monster game against them. I think it could be Brandon Ayuk in this game. And they're a little overvalued because they looked really, you know, really competent at home with an awesome crowd against, you know, Rams team that was a little banged up, a Tampa team that I don't think anyone, Tampa finished nine and nine on the season or nine and 10, 10 and nine. I can't remember, but they were around 500. Anyway, I actually think they could smoke the Lions, but I'm not going to predict that because if you put the Ravens and the Niners together in a parlay, minus 110.
Starting point is 01:51:41 So 550,000 or risk 500 is going to be our first million dollar pick. We've never gone that high all season. I'm not going to get cute. I'm not going to make a hundred different small bets and try to win all these different things. We're going all in. I think we're going to have a Ravens Niners Superbowl. I think those have been the best two teams all year. If you think any outcome other than that is going to happen, either you're overthinking it or you're just trying to will something happen that might not be ordained to happen. Ravens, Niners, minus 110, 500K in that.
Starting point is 01:52:14 We're going to put 100K bets just because we have to. We have to go on the record with these games. I'm eight and two straight up in the playoffs this year. So we got to do 100K on the Ravens minus three and a half. And we're doing 100K in a parlay that is plus 100. Niners to win the first half. Niners to win the game combined with the over 41 and a half. So 100K on both of those. Then we're putting 25K in the Niners minus seven, just on the record straight up. Two parlays that I like. This one is plus 498 from the Ravens game.
Starting point is 01:52:49 Ravens win first half, Ravens win the game. Lamar touchdown. Edwards and Hill both have 25 plus yards. That is plus 498. And then we're going to take a shot at Niners to win the first half, Niners to win the game. Brandon Ayuk to have 90 plus yards. Again, big legacy of receivers torching the Lions. Puka, Mike Evans last week, Keenan Allen,
Starting point is 01:53:14 Christian Watson had the best game of his season. You go over and over again. CD Lamb had like 200 plus yards against them. So Ayuk to have 90 yards. I have, Iuk scoring a TD and McCaffrey have 40 plus receiving yards because you know he's going to take a wheel route like 35 yards. All of those together
Starting point is 01:53:31 plus 1079 putting 25K on that. And then last but not least, laid this out with Schrager earlier. Goff loves throwing over the middle of the field. You know who's in the middle
Starting point is 01:53:41 of the field for the Niners? Fred Warner. The most terrifying middle of the field linebacker we have in the middle of the field for the Niners? Fred Warner. The most terrifying middle of the field linebacker we have in the NFL. I think he gets an interception. We're putting 10K on a Fred Warner interception that is 12 to 1
Starting point is 01:53:53 on FanDuel. And those are the million dollar picks. I am up 3.138 million for the season. I am up 1.006 million for the playoffs. We have a little nest egg. Let's see if we can keep it going.
Starting point is 01:54:09 Those are the million dollar picks for round three. All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Peter Schrager. Thanks to Rob Mahoney. Thanks to Steve Cerruti and Kyle Creighton as well. Don't forget to check out youtube.com slash Bill Simmons if you want to see some of my dumb walk and talk stuff I'm doing that people seem to like, at least some people, who knows,
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