The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Chiefs Are Done, Pittsburgh Hates Us, Lamar Is Missing, Guess the Lines, and Some NBA Stuff With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal right after the Texans take down the Chiefs to discuss the Chiefs’ slim playoff chances, and to recap Week 14 of the NFL season (3:34). Then, they guess the lines for Week 15 before ending with Parent Corner (57:36). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo Michelob ULTRA Courtside could get you closer to the game! michelobultra.com/courtside This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. Don’t settle for just any insurance when there’s State Farm. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It was an unbelievable football day. It was a very dramatic Sunday day. Cousin Sal and I broke all of it down. We did it live on YouTube. And it's all coming up next after a break and after Pearl Jam. But before we do that, I have to mention that the Jetbug. documentary that we did for Music Box.

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let's start here Mike Shirt texted in a couple weeks Mahomes may do something Brady never did play a meaningless football game Oh how about that And I went back and I looked And it's true Tom Brady never played a meaningless

regular season game There were stakes for every game of his career starting in 01. I thought this was an absolutely momentous Sunday night football game. The chiefs are going to be out of the playoffs. Like I honestly can't believe this. When you said he's going to do something we've never seen before, I thought you were going to say murder each and every one of his receivers. Maybe his head coach for some decisions.

It's over, Bill. The dynasty is over. We just saw it. I'm glad to spend the time with you, Mike. I thought Collinsworth was great today. I thought he had the right level of drama. So did Tariko. Drama, surprise, you could feel the stakes.

The Chiefs, three Super Bowl wins, two Super Bowl losses, two conference titles in the last seven years. You look at it in pro football reference, and it's just like the highest pinnacle of excellence, and now they might go like eight and nine. I don't even know, but they've gone from this probably one of the better seven-year runs we've ever seen in the history of the league to just, they're done. I mean, we put them in futures before the year. year it's automatically you put the chiefs saying no they'll make the playoffs yeah put that there's

seven playoff teams they're not going to make the playoffs and you go through the tenth now it's nuts go well you go through like they've lost to the chargers the eagles the jaguars the bills the broncos the cowboys and now the texans all teams that have winning records or in your case the cowboys are six six and one but um and they beat baltimore detroit and uh indianapolis so they're three and seven against good teams, which leads to the question, was this a good team? And the answer is probably not. No, there were a fine average team. Oh, it's so weird this year because I feel like there are so many average teams. And this was for the taken, right? But this game was different, I felt like than the rest of the ones that you just mentioned, because it really did seem like the receivers.

He didn't have magnificent numbers. What was he? Like 15 for 14 for 33. I think Stroud had similar numbers, except he had the touchdowns and Mahomes had the three interceptions, mostly coming off of his own players face masks and stuff. But they quit. I thought the coaches, like, I mean, let's just get to it. They were winning this game. Houston blew it the first time, 10, nothing. And then it was 10.10.

And the chiefs went for about 10.5 minutes left, fourth and four from their own 20, whatever. Like the Texans weren't texting about it immediately. They weren't looking to score again. That was it. The defense was flying for the chiefs. The Texans were in a three-and-out frenzy for the entire second half and did not seem like they could block the Chiefs anymore

and they didn't seem like they could unlock the play calling either. Like, I was wondering, why are you guys throwing a screen? They've got seven guys coming on every play. Why don't you just lob the ball over to Marks? I didn't understand what was going on. And it just felt like the Chief's defense was going to win the game. So you have 10 plus minutes left. It's fourth and one.

They're basically on their 30. It's a tie game. It's freezing cold out. The crowd's into it. It feels like the Texans are going to turn the ball over at some point over in the fourth quarter. You could feel it coming. Sack, strip sack, tip ball, something bad was going to happen. And they went for it.

And I don't care if you have Patrick Mahomes. I just, I'm not doing that. My defense is the best unit on either team on the field and I'm home. My defense is not going to let them score for the rest of the game. I thought that was one of the worst decisions of the year, not just a, of the weekend, the year. And their defense is pretty good, too, which is another reason you don't do it, right?

On fourth and it really, it just changed, and I get it, everybody goes for on fourth and one now. It doesn't really matter where you're on the field. But this just felt different just because of the momentum. And if you don't believe in that, fine. But you really felt like Houston was kind of done scoring for the night. It changed the total vibe of the game. It really was like at a Christmas party,

and people were like, you know, feeling themselves or drinking, and maybe smoking a little weed. And in someone brings a plus one. Why are you bringing up Daniel? Yeah, I didn't bring to bring up Daniel. But Jesus. And then in comes like an FBI agent as a plus one. Like, oh, this, this changes everything here.

I don't know. I don't know what we're going to do here. What bonehead, bonehead decision. We've been talking about this fourth and one, fourth and two. I mean, this has been one of the dialogues of the last 20 years, dating back to Belichick going forward on fourth and two from his own 28 in that Colts game on a Sunday night, which I wrote like a 10,000 word column about.

what happened. The difference was they couldn't stop the Colts. And he went for it because he knew if he didn't get it or if they punted, the Colts were just going to come down and score. And he felt like this was the only way he could control the game because if they didn't, they punted it back, it was over. In this case, the Chief's defense was controlling the game. You don't need to take a risk on offense. Your defense probably has a better chance of creating something than your offense does because nobody on your, either Mahomes can't throw deep balls anymore. You have that piece. They weren't running the ball that well.

And their receivers were dropping balls. It just, they were off. It was freezing cold. I get it. And Kelsey's not Kelsey anymore. That's another thing when you watch the Chiefs. Like he's, it happens. It happens to all the great players.

But he's not Kelsey anymore. And he was involved in two of the worst plays of this game. But I just hated it. And I think when you go for it and the downside is, if we go for this, this team that can no longer breathe and is in a coma offensively, we're basically resuscitated them. Yeah. We're giving them, we're giving them a Red Bull.

We're giving them a donut with some sugar in it. Like we're lifting them up. We're giving them a massage. They're like back. And they're under 30. They know they're at least getting a field goal and it changed the game. And it was stupid. And I'll fight it to the death.

It was a dumb play. I don't think you have to fight anyone. I don't know. I mean, I guess you have to fight Andy Reid. That's it. Um, my money's on Andy, by the way. He did it again. He went for it a second time with six minutes left. That's why you don't do it the first time. So you don't have to make that dumb decision with six minutes left. That's exactly why you don't do it. Put it again. Stop them. Your defense is playing great. What are you doing? I hate to look at everything through the lens of gambling. It makes me feel kind of bad sometimes. But they were like minus actually what we do. Then that's what we do. But there were minus 340 at that point, like at 4th down. The only thing that's flipping that is a turnover or when it was 4th and 1? When it was 4th and 1? When it was. fourth and one like that drive. They were minus 340. They were minus 340. They, it was a tie game and they were

minus. They had that. I wish like the, you talk about analytics and everything. There should be some nerd on the sideline. Hey, coach, take a look at the Fandle page. You're minus 340. If we boot this, we're still minus 340. If we don't get it on fourth and one, we're a plus all of a sudden. Just disgusting. Honestly, it's arrogance that's well earned because they've had an incredible amount of success the last seven years. And it was a fuck you move. We're the Chiefs, we'll get this. We've been getting it for two-thirds of a decade, and it'll be fun. And it was stupid.

It was the wrong way to play it because your defense was better than your offense in this game. So you ended that game. Mahomes had at one point, 10 straight incommelitions or interceptions. This is in the fourth quarter as they're trying to save their season. It wasn't like this was a random Sunday night game. It's like when you go through the teams there are behind, they've lost to the Chargers, the Jaguars, now the Texans, Denver's gone, that ship sails, and they've lost to the bills.

So these are all teams that, I know that at the, before the game that did, the political guy was on with Maria Taylor, like doing all the odds and trying to have like the shtick with it. I don't really understand why they used him. But he did say if the chief's lost, they had a 12% chance to make the playoffs. To me, it's like a zero percent chance. What scenario are they making the playoffs? No.

So they have, I think they're plus 340 to me. make the playoffs, it says right now. But they have the Chargers at Tennessee, Denver, and at Las Vegas. It doesn't matter. They're a game behind Houston who's not going to stop losing. They have Arizona and Las Vegas, Houston. So they're going to get two more wins, plus the win over them, plus the tiebreaker. They're not making it over Houston.

I feel like the AFC said a little. We could talk a little. One more thing about this game, disgusting. And I know you've suffered your bed aches and bad beats today. I went on the pregame show today. and I said, I am betting Houston under eight and a half points in the second half, blind betting it, like a Phil Helmew blind bet. I'm checking off the flop, that's it.

That's after flop, that's it. And I was like, Spagnola's done it. And like the last four home games, they've scored a total of one touchdown and three of them. This is it. I had that. I mean, there's no way I should have lost that. I'm so mad and broke right now. Andy Reid lost it for you.

They really did. Disgusting. Disgusting. This was also, the stats won't show it. But I really liked how C.J. Stroud played in this game. And this was a really good game for the anyone. And we've all had the thoughts like, if Davis-Mills was playing, is this much different? But Stroud took some big hits, moved around.

He never, I don't think he had a turnover. I don't think so. I had a couple big third downs to just kind of help them kind of survive a little bit. And it was really only had Collins. There was a lot about this game I didn't understand because the Chiefs lost their best cornerback early on. They lost yet another tackle at the beginning of the game. And it just felt like, wow, if you have the Texans or your Texans fan,

this couldn't have gone better. And they just, you know, it's the old Lombardi bad offensive lines don't travel. But we've also seen the Texans in this type of game earlier in this season where they just really hard for them to get to like 17 points, which goes back to the read decision. This is a team that on the road in bad weather against a good defense is just not going to put up 20 points. Yeah. And I'm with you with C.J. Stroud.

Like, he really, I don't want to say he showed me something. I decided I'm annoyed by that. Yeah, he really showed me something today. It's really a way of saying almost nothing. It's like a back hitting cup. Yeah, right. Showed me his coin collection. It was fine.

But no, you're right. He was like rolling right on third and long and we complete the, just when you thought it was like throwing it out of bounds. He'd completed for a first down. And Collins, a lot of times is. unguardable, I think. He really is. And he comes back for balls. He does everything right as a receiver. If this team had a decent running game or a good running

bank, they'd be a lot of trouble for everyone in the AFC. They might already be. Well, decent chance to host a first round game, right? They just have to catch Jacksonville because I think Indianapolis, we'll talk about them later, but it feels like Indianapolis

is in a lot of trouble. I don't think to catch them, though. They're Two off of Jacksonville. I thought they were one-off. What's their record now? Was Jacksonville 10 and 4 now? 9 and 3? 9-4, right?

Jacksonville's 9 and 4. So Houston's 8 and 5. Oh, they have 8. Right, sorry. Yeah. And they play Arizona, Las Vegas. They're at the Chargers in Indianapolis. Tennessee is just such a easy win for everyone.

But I hear you. That's how they'd have to do it. Well, Tennessee. I don't know if you watch Mike McCoy's post-game locker room speech. I missed that one. What did he do? He kept this close on? Praise Tony powered.

Talked about how well they ran the ball. He thanked KOC for, not KOC, Stofansky, for that weird two-point play he ran and took his hot quarterback off the field. Yeah, listen, I was on a Pats thread today, and all of us were like, please, God, don't, we don't want the 27 against the Texans. Right. Please know.

I don't want to play them. I don't want to play their defense. I just think that's a scary matchup because you have, you figure the bills, either they're going to catch the paths and take over the AFC East or they're going to be the five seed,

would be my guess. They have probably one more loss than them, but they'll end up probably 12 and 5, would be my guess. And then it's the Chargers, the Colts, the Texans, punchers chance of the Chiefs, says the other wildcard spot.

I think the Chargers, Texans, week 17, is probably for the 6th seed. I've looked ahead a little bit here. That's probably for the 6 seed, losers, the 7th seed. But otherwise, honestly, these playoff positions are kind of set.

I don't know what the numbers are, but Chargers, Texans, bills, probably the wild cards, right? Yeah. I think that's fair. It's hard because everybody's playing each other, and then you have in the NFC, South Carolina and Tampa playing each other twice.

So it's hard to guess what? We'll talk about that later too. I was trying to think of the most shocking, I can't believe this ended this fast NFL season that I can remember since we were kids. Because even like the Cowboys, you made the playoffs that year and you even won a round and then you lost.

And then the next year you went six and ten. And the Pats had that last year after they won the last Rams Super Bowl when, you know, they played the Titans. They still made the play. I can't remember if they made the playoffs or not. But that terrible loss to Brable at the end. The pick six of that, yeah.

Yeah, they were at least in it and it felt okay. The last one I could remember was the 1980 Steelers. Remember when they went nine and seven? I don't think they made it, but it was so stunning as a kid. Like the, right. Oh, my God, the Steelers are not going to, they'd won four or five Super Bowls. It's like, it's really over. Like, it was just like improbable.

And I'm sure there's kids right now, like, oh my God, really? This isn't happening? The Eagles, the Eagles after they made. made the Super Bowl, the loss to the Chiefs, lost the last six, was that the year, the next year? But that wasn't, yeah, you're right, that wasn't like early. So. It wasn't like either, you know, a mini dynasty like this was.

That wasn't like a generational team that, you know, we'll remember this Chiefs run for as long as we're following football. Yeah. And it wasn't even a big injury. Like, it really wasn't, you know, if Mahomes goes out week four, you understand. But this is just every game, look, they won all the one-score games last year. and they just can't do it. They can't do it this year.

So I guess it was bound to happen. The game when it really felt like, and maybe this will determine the playoffs standings, but that stupid Jaguars Monday night game that everyone in their brother lost money on and that pick six Mahomes through. And it just, that was the first time.

It was like, huh. Right. It doesn't feel like a chief season in the same way. But now you think big picture, like Reed's about to hit his 70s. They're going to lose Kelsey. They've spent all this money on all these dudes

that they've moved these contracts forward and Chris Jones is in his 30s and Mahomes are going to be in his 30s now. So, you know, we've seen teams reset but it usually depends on the draft and have putting like two, three drafts. Like when the Pats did their reset in the 2010s, it was because they hit in 2011 and 12 and 13.

They hit a bunch of drafts in a row and we're able to rebuild. So that's going to have to be what they do. But we've liked a bunch of rosters more than the chiefs for a while now, right? Yeah. Like a bunch of AFC rosters. Like, oh, I'd rather have 10,

other receiving corps than the chiefs do and the AFC. And now it's just like, yeah, that's still true. And Mahomes has lost a step and maybe Reid's lost a step. And Kelsey's definitely lost a step. And that engagement is over. I don't care what anyone says. Reporting it live right now. That's it.

Sorry. Here it is. It's funny. Mahomes, I don't feel like has lost anything other than the deep stuff, which we've talked about for two years. Everything else, like he still moves around. the pocket he still pulls plays out of his ass he's still awesome as a scrambler he's probably the only quarterback who when he's in the open does isn't necessarily going to slide like he i'll

share here bounced off him today for a really big play that you know like extended a third down but the deep balls and he threw a pick today on one it's it's been an issue for two years and i don't really understand that i don't know if it's healthier it's like a mental thing or what's going on right and these guys are open on some of these passes some of them some of them they are and then they just don't get it but it was going to be a tight window against this texan's defense on a lot of them so i just yeah i mean if you're asked the question who which quarterback do you start a team with you're not going to go four five six before you say mahomes right so i don't want to bury him too much no i was i was listening to the ringer NBA show or NFL show the other day with shield and solac was on and they were talking about drake may and the MVP and then they were talking about how many qbs Potentially, like, how big of an asset is he basically? And it's like, we have this Mahomes, Alan Lamar group.

And it's like, has May moved into that group as an asset. He's on a rookie contract. And they were like, you know, would you trade him for Lamar? The way Lamar's been playing, no. And then they mentioned Alan, who's a little bit older than May. So, but I can see the case for Alan on that. But they said Mahomes. And I'm like, man, Mahomes is going to be 31 next year.

May he's 23. Yeah. As a Patsman, it's crazy, but I don't know if I would do that. I don't know if I would give up eight years of May to get Mahomes at this point, which would have been the craziest thing to say ever a year ago. And especially since he fills the void of what you're talking about, your guy throws the deep ball well and Mahomes doesn't anymore. That's all I'm going to say nice enough, Drake May.

Thanks. They were off. Listen, you turned his career around. I know, no. Well, huge win for the Texans. I continue to think they're really good and they have some excellent wins this year and you go back to that first part of this season.

So they've beaten Baltimore, San Francisco, Jacksonville, KC, Buffalo, and Indy. Yeah. A hard schedule this year, right? Eight and five, when you think like Stroud missed a couple games. Nick Chubb is in and out. They have this Woody Marks out of nowhere playing for them.

Neither are their rookie receivers. They've been okay but not awesome. I'd say good job by us for not crossing them off I mean you read that schedule if you would have read that schedule we looked at that schedule like how the hell are they going to do this down minus 1,600 to make the playoffs I'll give you a bad job by us

I texted you and Hanch and the house we do some future bets during the season sometimes and the Colts I think were plus 780 to miss the playoffs with that schedule coming up and we batted around and we didn't do anything didn't do it. And listen, I mean, the Danny Dimes thing was terrible today.

But you knew one of these teams after like the eight, nine game mark was going to do the swan dive. And it was like, which ones are going to be? Colts are now eight and five. There's a crazy Indiana injury thing going on where you had the Pacers, these first three rounds of the NBA playoffs. Oh, yeah. With some of the greatest comebacks, you know, most entertaining games. It was like, it was like, wow, who sold their soul to win. these games basically and then poor halberton goes down in game seven

Caitlin Clark gets hurt for the fever then you have Jones who Garrett's calling Indiana Jones and seems like he's you know on pace to be the Kurt Warner of 25 years later and he's playing with a fracture fibble and then blows out the killies on his other knee and I think they're done I don't I don't think they can come back from this oh are you calling Fernando Mendoza the IU quarterback is going down the second round of playoffs maybe maybe it's just pros. Oh, I don't know. I think he should be careful, though. I would wear, like, what my mom wears. I would wear the evil eye to force up to do off the evil forces. High heels and, all right. No, yeah. No, no, you're right. Yeah. No, just, the evil eye necklace. Does

your mom wear one of those? No, my father's mother would wear that. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Was your mom insane, or is that just my mom? No, my mom's insane, but, yeah, but she has different things going on. Yeah. Yeah, you got, I mean, I'd feel bad for Daniel Jones. It was like a, it was a valiant effort. I mean, I don't know if it was 30 for 30 material. I mean, maybe he could be featured in a music box doc. Does he, I don't know if he plays an instrument, but he really just, we all thought the Jags were the ones who were going to fall off, right? When you said that, like, one of these three AFC South teams, it's got to be the Jags and now they've won four in a row. I do think, though, could they pick up Joe Flacco, this Colts team? Because they're

kind of done with this Riley Leonard guy and Anthony Richardson's not playing he's not up to speed. Isn't he on the Bengals I thought they could they either said goodbye to him or they're about to say goodbye to him I thought I saw but um you know Burroughs healthy so

they're plus 270 to make the playoffs I don't know I just I mean you would think they would go to Anthony Richardson but he heard his eye and that freak injury before a game got hit by a pass so he's out and uh yeah they're And then I don't know when Sauce Gardner comes back.

Wow, it's tough. It really fell apart for them. I thought this was a weird stat. The Colts have lost 11 straight road games to Jacksonville dating back to 2015. Yeah. We talked about that in the pregame show. Andrew Lock was the last one. I know.

Because they had Urban Meyer that year. I didn't remember them winning any games. So somehow the Colts still lost that year? I have, I don't know if you saw this on Fandul. The Jaguars are now minus 4.50. to host the Shaky's game on Saturday. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, there's a heavy amount of action when Dimes went down.

If there's, I mean, if it's Jaguars, they could host Houston, right? Couldn't that be a two-six? My guess it's, it's Jaguars against either the bills or the Patriots. Because if the bills beat the Patriots next week, they still have a chance to win the AFCs. But I would say the five-seat is coming from the AFC East would be my guess. I think the Jags could be a two-seat. Like who they're going to end up with, they have the Jets at Denver,

at Indian Tennessee. They're going to have 11 or 12 wins. Your team will be the one-seat. Right? Like, they play Denver. So if they win that, they're, I think, the two-seat. Wow, are you right here?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, because they're ahead of, oh, you're right. Because, yeah, they're going to be ahead of the FACC North. Denver's got some tough games left. So it would be the three-seat. So it'll be a three-six. So it'll be like...

I mean, Jacksonville Chargers just put it in the shakies now. Yeah, that's a lifetime of check. Yeah, there's no question. There's no NFC matchup that's going to battle that one. Yeah, you're right. I forgot that the AFC Norris is going to be the four seed. So that'll be either Pittsburgh or Baltimore hosting Buffalo or New England. Odds are to be Pittsburgh hosting Buffalo, a game that I feel like we've seen every year now for nine years, even though it's probably going to happen to us.

Yeah, I know. We can't get away from that one. What did that turn into a real disgusting division? I don't know when you want to talk about that, but goodness. So Lauren, tell me if you agree with this, Trevor Lawrence after the game today. We all feel like we're a really good team and probably don't get the credit we deserve and everybody talks about every other team. It's not untrue.

Nobody really cares about the Jags, which is fine. It's kind of just how it is and we'll use it as a chip on our shoulder and keep playing. You know what happened when I read that so? What'd you do? That nobody believes in us, police. got activated. Yeah. They all hopped in a car and started cruising the neighborhood. They were like, whoa.

Trevor Lawrence is just throwing it out there. Could the Jags be a nobody believes in us team? Nine and four, nobody's talking about us. I'm just, we're in nobody it's in December. We're in nobody believes in us land. I'm on radar now. He said nobody cares about us. Is that the same as nobody believes in us? Because I

agree that nobody cares about them. Nobody really cares about the Jags, which is fine. We don't get the credit we deserve. Everybody talks about every other team. That all quality. That's all nobody believes in us talk. Okay. All right. Yeah. I'm starting to believe. I don't think I count myself. I don't believe in you either, even though I bet on you

today, the Jaguars. I bet on them in August. They might team to win the AFC South. And with each win, I become less confident in them. I don't know what it is. But they do get off to leads now. They kind of feel like they stomp out some of these teams, and their defense is very good. Like, they won their last four. Three of them, they allowed

a total of one touchdown. Three of the four wins there. So I still think they're going to have 12 wins. I don't think, I'm not saying, I'm betting them to win the Super Bowl, whatever, what odds would they be? Like, that, I don't care. I'm not going to let you do that.

No, they're 19 to 1. Keep going on that. One thing that happened today was, I thought Thomas was, you felt his presence a little bit in that game today, which he's been, I don't know, for the last six, seven weeks,

he's been either not playing because he was hurt or he was a mess. And he was, Yeah, on fantasy waiver wires. Like, it was that bad. But if they can get him going a little bit with the running game they have and some of the other stuff. And then I had a couple of red zone plays today where there was one specifically where Lawrence was about to get sacked. He's running down the middle toward the end zone.

There's a guy behind him going for it. And it just like had all the makings of the strip sack, but he didn't fumble it. Right. And I was like, oh, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Better at this stuff. Yeah, it's weird. He's beating, well, you know, like I said,

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Do I'm going to list all the things I thought were the biggest things happen today, or do you want me to go one at a time? Sure, go ahead. When we go for drama, just one at a time? We can only really respond to one at a time, right? So I don't know, whatever you want to do? That's a great point. Lamar's...

You're right? We're alive, you know. What's going on here? I know. Has he been replaced? Is this alien Lamar? Who is this? Is he way more hurt than...

Is this like when Derek Rose came back after his ACL injury? And it was like, that looks like Derek Rose, but it's not Derek Rose. Who is that? I don't understand this. He's not scary anymore. When he takes off, you don't,

he's not, you don't feel like he's this incredible magician. He just seems like the worst case version of playoff game Lamar, but it's every week now. Right.

He has, what, no touchdown passes in how many weeks? I know he was like averaging seven fantasy points the last three weeks before today. I don't know what this team

identity is, and I'll throw the Steelers in there too, because I have no idea what they're going to do week to week. I can't handle them. But the Ravens like outran them by what, 180 yards today? That's usually a winning formula. 10 yards or something, at home, that's usually good

enough. And they got screwed on that touchdown day, like I'll, whatever. They played poorly, but that likely touchdown, I don't understand what anyone's looking at there? Like, you have to, what do you have to do? You have to secure the ball. You have to take two steps, then take 11 more steps, then high step across and then celebrate with a cheerleader.

To finish the catch by actually finishing the catch and then finishing it again. Why is it always involved in this? I know you're right. He is. Everything's down by the goal line with him. Maybe take him out there. And also, we were watching it today and they were shown the replays. It's like, why did you drop this?

It was like the guy came in late and hit it. He just caught it, took two steps and just was like, ah. Yeah. Yeah, he freaked out. Yeah. I don't know. But, I mean, they should be always. able to overcome that in Aaron Rogers.

I'll tell you what, I'm looking at something. They could be done. They're six and seven. Could they be six and 11? At Sincy, your team, at Green Bay, at Pittsburgh? I mean, they're still showing a 165 for the division. They could be six and 11. You get eight to one odds on six and 11 for them.

It might be all over. I think they're done. And I kind of felt like they were done even before this week, but the Steelers were so bad the last couple weeks. I looked it up. So the Steelers are 7 and 6, which is 13 games. Yeah. But I added it up.

I've lost money on 15 Steelers games this year. There's only 13. There's two extra games. I couldn't find them in the standings. Every week I'm wrong with them. It's just week after week, get it wrong. They are the ultimate Kastanza zigzag team. And the thing that was weird today was,

Rogers was good. I thought he like he the last couple weeks he was awful like he couldn't have been worse and today I was like he made some plays he created time he I don't know he took some hits he did the double down checkdown or whatever the fuck that's called right yeah but did you agree like he was pretty good

yes yes he extended drives he did all the things you're supposed to do as a quarterback you know maybe playing with that wrist messed up that left wrist last week was tougher than this week You wouldn't think so, but going to Baltimore would be a tall task. But yeah, they're the class of that division. We just keep hoping that Cincinnati could win so that they could compete for the division. But it's just, it's over.

It's over. It's these two crummy teams that are going to lead the way. At 110 Pacific time today, Malawi had been texted. I'd rather get a rectal exam every Sunday than watch the Ravens, which is a Ravens fan. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty rough. I don't know. Put that on the, put that on.

on the box, the VHS for the season. They still make those. The 2025 Ravens season thing. The Steelers had 13 first downs and 34 yards rushing and they won. And I don't know how many of these games have they won like that?

We're like, how do they win? Which just happened? What did I watch? Yeah. If likely catches it, I don't think the Steelers can go 50 yards to get the field goal. Do you? Probably not. No, not the way that game was going. But I feel like both these

teams deserve six and seven, seven and six at this point. So what are Ravens to make the playoffs? They are, well, their division in playoffs is essentially the same, plus 168, because they're not getting a wild card. I was thinking in quarterbacks and Lamar is better than the guys that I'm about to mention are, but quarterbacks that just weren't as good anymore and it was, and we kept waiting for it to come back and it just didn't, but Culpeper did this. Right.

Randall Cunningham did this. Michael Vick did this when he came back after the suspension and he was really good and then all of a sudden he wasn't. I'm sure there's others, but it wouldn't be like crazy unusual if he just kind of peaked two years ago and that's where we are with this now. Or he might just have four injuries and they're not being honest with us about any of them. Right.

You know, I was looking at his numbers against the Chiefs, against the Steelers in January. They're all bad. right Lamar's record and it's like we had our top four in our heads for probably about three or four years now it's been Lamar it's been Alan it's been Mahomes it's been Burrough I didn't expect to I'm not kicking two of them out of there but we're talk about it right like we're discussing Lamar has to Lamar is out of there now I mean whether he can play himself in next year but there's no scenario where he's in there anymore right your boy took his spot yeah that's

anybody else Jordan Jordan loves kind of like doing this now right Hey guys let me in I thought love was great today yeah he was excellent I don't know why he does a fadeaway pass when he doesn't seem to need to do that it's almost like a basketball thing

yeah yeah yeah but he was very very good let's talk about that game Bears Packers only three games again and I why are they doing this to us oh three games

There's three late games and one of the over under one and a half of the three games sucking is usually the over. Right. So today, two, the game sucked.

Which was great for me because I got to be an NBA hole and watched the Boston Celtics beat the Toronto Raptors. The three-seated east. One of the most inexplicable runs in the history of the franchise. Anyway.

What was like Tuesday? You were like, they're going to get pounded by the Knicks. I was like, yes, you're right. Let's bet the Knicks. And then, no, it was the other way. Yeah, it was the other way.

It was all you had to do. O.J. and Nobie didn't play, though. That was great. I thought Bears Packers, I thought it felt like a playoff game. Yeah. The Bears lost and they didn't cover by a half point. But I thought that game was a good game for them.

It was a moral victory. They belonged in the game. It came down to a couple plays. They were right there. and then playoffs, I think that team could hang around and do some stuff. And, you know, even beyond that, I'm proud of them because, you know, this is a rivalry that's been going on for like 300, 350 years, even though no one can name like two games that they remember in the last, like, quarter century.

Yes, but they stepped up. They heard it was a rivalry. You know, I know they were like one and 12 against Green Bay, the last 13. They were down, what, 143 at one point? And that could have been like, all right, everyone's calling. I'm fraudulent. Now they're going to go away. They fought back.

I think they only had like 73 yards in the first half of offense. They couldn't be stopped in the second half. I can't believe they didn't win this game. And I know you hate that play where he rolled left, their last play, where he threw an interception, Caleb. But you know what? He really showed me something. No, he was very good.

He was very good today. I'm on Caleb Williams side, and they lost. And they're not going to the division. I thought they really fucked the game up near the end. So they're basically slow playing it, and they were clearly going to try to score and go for the two point and not have the Packers get the ball back. I couldn't believe the announcers were even wondering if they were going to go for the two point. Like they were 100% going for the two point. You know why they were going for the two?

Because Green Bay let the clock go down. If there's a minute 40 left, if they're calling their timeouts of Packers, now Green Bay, now the Bears have to think about going for two, right? Yeah. But they went too slow, though. I was saying this as it was happening because I think they ran for it there's like a minute 15 left and it was headed to be

it was like third down and short and they let 38 seconds run off before they ran their next play but the guy got stuffed. So now you have all your timeouts left but now it's fourth down but now even if I get it I'm not even inside the 10 yard line

so now I've lost some of my run past flexibility because it's under 30 seconds. I just thought it was mismaner. by the bears. Don't get that cute. Like, run, but play with a little urgency. There's two minutes left in the game

and you're down seven. Like, you're, don't fuck around. Well, there's a report. Ben Johnson wasn't even on the field. He was in the locker room. He had started his, great job guy's speech.

Oh, he was oiling up. Yeah, he was already gone. He took his shirt off. So they were coachless towards the end. He was playing his entrance music. He was getting ready. I guess from Rowan left

and throw on the, the pass that was intercepted, they had done that against the Eagles last week and scored on it. So they do like it. But I'm with you. This was a good bear's loss. I know they dropped to the seventh seed.

I don't think they're in danger of losing that playoff spot. Do you? I'm trying to look at their numbers here. No. The bears are good. They're minus 215. It took me a while to kind of admit that,

but I also thought they made some jumps, but they can run the ball. They had some good drives today where it felt like the game was going to get away from them and it just didn't. And Caleb, he does a lot of good stuff. He does a lot of stuff that make you go, ugh. He's, you know, he's raw.

He's all over the map. But he's got so much talent. He'll make a couple plays a game that are some of the best plays of the entire day. You know, these really, really crazy athletic plays are hitting guys with precision. I certainly feel better about him than I did like three months ago, don't you? Definitely. I didn't even, wasn't even positive if you could win a. playoff game with him three months ago. But there's

enough there, I think. I mean, this is going to sound stupid. I'm more impressed with this game than I was him beating Philly on Black Friday. Yeah, because the Packers are legit good. I mean, the X factor of this game, I have to mention this because all the Packer fans, including a couple of my life, we're going

nuts about it. And we saw it, too. Parsons got held the entire game. And especially in the fourth quarter, he was just getting mauled. And I don't know whether they just decided to call the whole game like that, but it was pretty crazy. And you could just see it on the TV like he he was like a cannon coming out on these plays fast today yeah um i i thought this was interesting so christian watson's back yeah and he's ready to swing your fantasy league

playoffs i don't know if he saw this that uh catch and run score he reached 21.6 miles an hour is that right yeah when i was watching live i thought it was like 21.2 okay yeah it's 21.6 I'm going to get you a new calibrator for Christmas, a new MPH calibrator because, yeah, you seem to be off on some of days. And that's almost 22 miles an hour, Sal. I think Brady said that Caleb Williams this year had three runs over 20 miles an hour.

Imagine Madden talking about this nonsense. Yeah, Madden would get this shit out of there. Brady's, it was really cold there. Brady was wearing some sort of leather. Yeah, what was that? Jacket, vest. looked like a combo, Alaska Parca, but also with a leather part. And it was so cold.

I think he just decided to smile like a crazy person because I think his face froze. He was just like, ah, it's great mirror. What a game. Oh! He is growing on me. I'll say that. I don't know if he was. I thought he had some good moments in the fourth quarter.

But yeah, he's growing on me. It was enjoyable watching him. He's having fun watching too. So, yeah. Or maybe he's freezing. I think he's figured out how to let the game breathe. and had a pop in a couple of times with like, oh, this was one of my favorite plays.

Here's what they did. Like, he's able to weave like some of his own things that happen into the game now in an organic way, not an inorganic way. But Packers, I feel like we change our mind every week on this, but they seem like they're the most complete team. And especially if they can at least figure out a two-seed situation and get the first two games in Lambo. there in pretty good shape.

9, 3 and 1, what are the Rams? 10 and 3. With the Seahawks game left. With the Seahawks, right. And Green Bay is at Denver, at Chicago, Baltimore, at Minnesota. That should be three wins. That feels like three and one at least, right? So that should be.

Yeah. So that probably two seed for them, which puts them against the seventh seed, who's going to be who? Maybe an NFC West team. Could be the Bears. It could be. Well, the Bears, yeah. Yeah. the seven, the bears dropped to seven right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's true. I mean, yeah, there's still a fight for this seven seat in the NFC. I don't think it is. If Carolina wins the NFC South, is that just an automatic, automatic shakies game or now? You can't even get it out of your place.

Look at you. You're choking on it. Yeah. I just had a hiccup that almost died. Yeah. Still hiccuping donuts from last night at 2.30 of the morning. Carolina, Seattle would be a shakies game. You'd think?

Something like that. Oh, my God, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Jacksonville can't fight that. We are going to lose so much money on that. It's all going to be about Mike McDonald,

how he never loses on the road. We're going to hate Carolina by then, and they're going to win by like 27-6 or something. It all depend on which week it is when they do the Carolina zigzag. Right, that's true. If it's coming off them sucking, you can't bet on that. I can't believe how Tampa blew this division.

I honestly can't. I mean, I know you, I bet them. And now these teams are both seven and six. I mean, and I lost just a ton on that Bucks parley. Do you stayed away from the Bucks Moneyline parley? Oh, I think they've been terrible. I looked it up. They've won one game since Game 3 of the World Series, the 18 inning game.

That game happened like a year ago. Right. Yeah, it was a long time ago. But they were playing good teams. Like, this is an automatic. Just check this off. Well, remember, we were talking MVP for Baker early. Right.

He's been bad. Yeah. He misses a lot of throws and does a lot of dumb shit and looks like the baker who is in Carolina. I think he's hurt, so I'm not going to blame him. I think he's been playing hurt for the last five, six weeks. But the decision making's bad. His arm strength doesn't seem the same.

He's missing dudes. I think he's just been bad. It was rainy and he's out 100%. But it's also rainy for Tyler Shuck. Go Shuck yourself. Pretty good. And he was decent and he figured it out. And he ran for first sounds when he needed to.

I really feel like Baker let me down. Like Ruiz, early in the year, when we love Baker, had Baker as his 16th best quarterback. And he came on with me and Tate. I said, don't ever come on the show again. That's just nuts. Get out of here, Ruiz. That's it, Ruiz.

Do your own thing. But from week seven forward, which is probably what you're talking about with the baseball world series, he's 36 to 37 in both EPA and CPOE, which I think is in stuff. It feels that way watching it. Yeah. Oh, man, they are going to blow this division. And they're clueless on fourth and one.

Like, Bulls, like, they don't have an answer. They just can't convert fourth and one. Seahawks, Falcons, speaking in the NFC South, Atlanta is now four and nine. Rahim has dropped to 33 and 56 for the career. Wow. But I want to mention Seattle quickly because they took care of business. They beat the hell out of Kirk Cousins. Right.

Seattle has Indianapolis home next week. Yeah. I guess with Riley Leonard, but if you're ever going to want to play Indianapolis, it's next week. And then the week after the Rams at home.

So it's all lined up for them. They could potentially even be a one seat if they really wanted to go for it here. The last two games are on the road. But their defense is spectacular. I think nine total points, eight turnover. I know it's Brosmer and Cousins the last couple weeks,

but they don't really let down on the road. When JSN is back, I think he's going to be the career leader in walking yards into the end zone. He's so far open. He starts his trot at the six yard line and just walks in. So who is the actual leader of that? I would say either Moss or Rice.

Moss or Rice. It feels like Moss had a lot of those. Yeah, yeah. Andre Reisen used to have a bunch. Moss would have those TDs where nobody else was in the TV. He had to have led the league in that. Right, right, right. Yeah. All right. He's got a ways to go, but he's pretty good. Broncos Raiders. Wow. You know, Broncos did whatever, but just an incredible cover at the end of that game. Waders down 10, five seconds left, line up for the

field goal. Get it. They cover. And it might have been the back door of the year. Well, I mean, you have to paint a little like, can he pick it to lock it? Brandon Jones for Denver knocks it out of lock its head. So they stop the clock for delay a game. Out comes Daniel Carson to kick a spread covering walkoff field goal. I mean, God bless, I had the plus seven to half. I feel like everybody else at Denver. God bless Pete Carroll. Just extend him for 15 years. Let him coach into the 90s. I love that. And Pete Carroll was full Biden faced the entire game now. He's just he's got the Biden. Where am I? Huh? Yeah. Hunter Biden. Yeah. Or the worse.

Rams Cardinals, I just wrote that and why do we ever pick the Raiders or the Cardinals to make the playoffs? I pick the Raiders to make the playoffs. You picked the Cardinals. Maybe when we do the futures, they should just be off limits for a playoff pick.

You just can't pick them. You talk about that. Four o'clock window, they are just destined to lose by 30 in that four o'clock window like most weeks, you know? And that was dumb. They should start flexing games to four o'clock just to kind of help out the multi-view.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Well, we have a full slate the weeks coming up. There are no more bias. So we get like four or five four p.m. games. But this should have been the only bet we made. The Rams raging after that loss. Cardinals dying to lose by multiple touchdowns.

What would we do there? Gannon and the first coach fired kind of kind of get their little smoke down. Dolphins Jets. So dolphins are six and seven, which is the same record as the Chiefs. I was trying to think when they lost

that game into Cleveland, the doffins. And if I said to you, then, I will bet you in week 14, the dolphins and chiefs will both be six and seven. What was that? 25 to 1? Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.

And here's the funny thing. Like, they basically eliminated two of from the offense. He had week 10, 173 yards, week 11, 171, week 13, 157. Today, he was 127. Throwing three touchdowns in four weeks. When you watch it, It's like you kind of forget he's on the team half the time.

Right. They're just trying to run the ball. A. Chan gets hurt today. Yeah. They're bringing right. They're just pound, pound, pound. I think this probably is the last game they're going to win this year, which. It better be.

You know, we have a hundred with seven and a half. I mean, I don't care about that. We have a nice, little tidy parlay for them, for teams to not make the playoffs. And they are, they're still in the hunt. They're still in that freaking graphic. They had 239 yards rushing. They beat Brady Cook today. but they need to go.

We may want to hedge there with 55 to 1. I am not hedging the dolphins. They can fuck off. Titans Cleveland. Did we cross them off? I can't remember if we did. Yeah, they're still crossed them. Okay.

Titans Cleveland, Shadur is having kind of the perfect season where there's enough hope that it's exciting, but they're also losing every game. It's like you can't ask for much more. Stefanski, is this one of the great tank jobs of all time or is he just awful coaching? Because now it's got to be one of the, or the other.

How about this? It's just like the Browns have since been so incompetent for so long. I can't even tell what a tank is or what like why. I mean, that two point conversion is ridiculous for Sanders to not be on the field. But yeah, they don't even know what the play is. Well, he was on the field for the last one. We didn't get it. Yeah, right.

He's your quarterback, fuck face. He's just 360 yards. I do feel like Shador's status increased by him by losing to the Titans somehow. Like it's like the Lord. Well, this is like, I mean, it's a great talk radio top. topic tomorrow. He's doing just well enough that everybody can be Stepansky's sabotaging him and we can do that whole thing. We never waited. I think we do this every year when the team's down 14 and they

score and then the nerds have decided it's really smart to go for two. Yeah. And I don't know how I feel about that one way or the other, but the one that was really stupid to me was the one, what was it, Thanksgiving or Black Friday, one of those games when the team. You didn't like that one. Right. When the team, was it the Eagles? The Eagles on Friday. And everyone argued about that for three days. I thought that was the dumbest argument I've ever seen.

So you were saying, you say kick the extra point there. I think that was to go for two to see if you're going to be down by eight or nine, right? No, is to go for two to try to see if you can get it to seven. Right. Because at some point, you're going to have to get it to seven. At some point, you have to go for the two. Yeah. My thing is, why do I have to go for two now?

if I get a stop and I score another touchdown and their defenses but on the field for the whole fourth quarter and I have even more momentum. Don't I have a better chance at that point to get the two versus like right now because if I don't get it, the game's over. And then the way that people explain it's like,

well, then you know exactly how many points you need. It's like it doesn't matter. I lost the game. Right. I want to keep the game alive for as long as I can. I don't, this is one of those ones where I don't see the other side of the argument. You can throw all the math you want.

I would rather try to get TD extra point, stop, get that defense right back on the field, ram it down their throats again, and then go for the two point after they've just given up 200 yards and 20 plays, you know, go for it then. I was always in that camp. The defense is going to be more tired then than it is. Right. It's the Falcons Patriot Super Bowl corollary. The more the Falcons were on the field, they just died.

And then it was easier to do everything. But you know what's happening? I think now, not even just nerds, but people I receive. respect more and more now saying, no, no, you got to go for two. You know, like, when you see a movie, you're like, oh, that wasn't that good. But then, like, people are like, no, no, no, go watch it again.

Like I, now I feel, I don't, I can't explain it. Exactly. Fantasy is like, editing was great. That's it. Was it? Eddington is going for two. That's what it is. Yeah, Editing's going for two, the whole movie.

Right. No, you don't understand. You got to go. Editing went for two. Oh, okay. And they'll laugh at you. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah. Titans Cleveland So Cleveland Is going to be in the running for the best pick Number one pick somewhere in there But there's really no number one pick Everybody even knows McShay's going to be talking about this for the next six months

The last one, Bill's Bengals Which I was saving for the end here Which was an incredible game Allen is still 14 to 1 for MVP Which I don't understand because if they beat the Pats next week, wow, there's a real chance. Like, they could kind of flip things around.

And Alan was just superhuman today. I mean, this was like, yeah. It's hard not to think he's the best part in the week. As great as Drake May's man, I think the MVP case is there for May. I get it, even though Stafford took the lead a little bit today. But Allen is just, there's nobody like this, dude. Not too many guys who, like, they're scrambling.

And you're like, oh, he'll just get six here for the first down. He gets 46, you know? right in the snow it's like a locomotive yeah it really was that was a great game that was so much fun that game i loved it yeah it was so surprising that burrow fucked up i know two picks one wasn't his fault but the first one was like a max brosmer pick right right it was awful and it was at a huge part of the game right and it felt like i don't know i thought they were getting down and score i just james cook fumbling twice was in a huge part of the game right so like you can't be happy for that guy. He does so much, but you can't be

thrilled with him for more than like 20 minutes at a time. Yeah, that was, it's kind of a bummer for Sincency to be out of it, out of it. Like, they'll have some like if you had a choice, if you could have Bengals, just from a viewing perspective, Bengals Cowboys in the Super Bowl,

or whatever the Super Bowl is going to be, what would you pick? Just just for viewing. Why can't that be the like Pro Bowl? Yeah. Instead, it's just like the two best teams that didn't make the vote by the fans. playing for a hundred million dollars paid for by Amazon it could be in the morning too of the Super Bowl just could be the early game that'd be good poor Borough

yeah I don't know what to make of this season we're not going to have Borough in the playoffs we're not going to have Lamar right we're not going to have Mahomes we're not going to have Mandy Reid we're not going to have John Harbaugh who might get fired yeah it's just weird. It's one of the weirdest seasons we've had in a while. We'll take one more break for Nick's, Drake May, and we're going to have, who else? Jayden Danes' career is already somehow over after two years. Bryce freaking Young. Yeah. Good job. Bryce Young's in. This episode is brought to you by Sunwing. Imagine a vacation where you get so much more. Sunwing vacations make it easy to save more, do more. Their fly financial advisors do

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I know. I was with Dave Jacoby this weekend, and it's all he could talk about. He loves it. He loves it. If you think Sal can pull this off, he's asking me the person is in control of my own picks. Right. What'd you tell him? You told them yes.

I said, I thought he could. Okay, good. Don't trash talk me now. Thursday night. 16 games rest of the way. Here we go. This is our last normal slate of the year. You getting sad yet?

That football's almost over? Oh, after Thanksgiving, I'm a mess. And as my fantasy teams go away, this is right in it, right? And my regular team. Oh, can we talk about that really quick? Damn, I thought I could sneak it by you. Yeah. Well, you meant, you, I know, you shouldn't have.

I know. My double deuce team, a lot of injuries this year, just so much heart, much like Trevor Lawrence, people thought people not talking about us enough. But this is in our knockout league that our friend Brad has gotten kicked out of five times now. Yeah, five times. Five out of 15 years, something. So it was looking semi bleak for me today. I'm going against Mahomes and Kelsey.

and I have Vidal tomorrow night and then Nico Collins today and I'm down like eight points and Mahomes puts up 7.4 and Kelsey puts up a 1.3 they combine for less than 9 points Nico Collins beats them by 5 points and it looks like I make the playoffs

unless Vidal just comes in fumbles and then you got to bench them pulls the hamstring. You could just bench him, you'll be fine. How do I bench him? Take a zero. I'm not telling you. figure it out. Can I do that?

Yes, you can. Yeah. You can. I mean, everyone will hate you if that's what ends up happening. Oh, I can bench him for Remonderry Stevenson. Yeah,

put in someone that doesn't play. Yeah. Oh, that's really smart. What happens if they recalibrate the scores and then like they figure out a day later? That's tough. That's a good risk.

You know what? I want to keep them in. I want to roll up the score on a coerce. I send a message if I see him for the playoffs. but it was it was amazing rooting against mahomes and kelsey and they're having like the worst game of their entire career it's like this is great all right guest lines Thursday night what a stinker our first really bad one in a while can i'll skip this one can what can now can we not send out can we send somebody else to this oh yeah yeah yeah well what is he have collinsworth colin be like owell you don't you don't need to go to tampa owell he loves it's got to be somebody else it's not gonna freak out

too much. I was like, no, no, I love the gentlemen clubs there. It's a great scene. I hit this one exact, so good luck, off the bat.

Bucks Falcons. I might skip this. This will be one where I'll tell Howard and Rardo right now. We don't have to wait until after the Thursday night game to finish the podcast.

We'll finish it before this game. Yeah. Oh, I don't skip picking it. I was like, that's interesting. Just giving me one. All right. Bucks minus six was my guess.

It's five and a half. That's what I had. Vegas Zone. Good guess. I want to bet this. I can't bet this. They suck. They suck so bad, Tampa Bay.

This is a bad game. Yeah, they blow it with this. And they can't flex it either. Well, this isn't a bad game. Sunday marquee game. What an honor to have my team in the marquee game. Patriots Bills. in New England.

Good job. Wow. A lot of stuff going on here. Rable's record out of a buy, do you know this? 35 and 0. What? He's had that many.

I looked it up. 35 and no. No, it is not. Something like that. He hasn't had 35 buys? Was he coaching in the 80s? What are he talking about? So he's had a lot of wins in a row.

I forget what the number is. It looks great for his age. Wow. Yeah. Uh, I have this hardcore, it's in New England, hardcore tic-tac, hardcore. Pats minus one and a half.

Oh, good. I'm glad you picked that way. It's the other tic-tac. It's plus one and a half. I said plus two. I said the bills favor by two. Bills are favored. Yeah, yes, sir.

Ooh. They need it more. They didn't know about the 35 and O mark for, for Vrabel. Oh, that is a, you know what? I know we already had the nobody believes in us, please, in Jacksonville, but we're going to have to send some people over to New England. Really? Okay. I'm really surprised by that.

Take your pats in a teaser, plus seven and a half. Bang. There you go. I mean, this is massive, massive, massive home game. For the crowd, like everyone's going to be excited all week. Come in the buy, like they'll have, I feel like they're saving stuff for this game. I thought they, second half of that Monday night game, I thought they roped up the rest of that game. They didn't want to show anything in the second half.

What was this line when Buffalo was home? Was that week seven or something? What week was that? Oh, it was high. It was like seven and a half, something like that. Seven, seven and a half, eight. All right. So they're not, wow, they didn't, they adjusted a little bit, but not too much.

All right. You're up two nothing on me already. Four watchables. Ravens Bengals had to put this up. here. It's in Cincinnati. I have the Ravens favorite, even though they've looked like crap. Ravens minus two and a half.

You get it exactly. I said one and a half. Why should anyone like the Ravens in this situation? Honestly. What are they better at at this point? Maybe their defense slightly? What's the most fun Derek Henry team next season? Oh, where he goes,

huh? Chiefs? No. He wants to go to a winner, right? Denver? Someone like Denver? Doesn't even want a chance to win a title? Oh my God, that was a drive-by shooting. Oh, come on. It's fine.

Nick Wright was 50-50 to go to work tomorrow. Now he's like, now he's doubtful. Enjoyed a day off. Nick, right? It was like a bullet in Nick Wright's neck. Unbelievable. Hey, how about the Texans? Texans.

Derek Henry on the. Texans. Yeah, that's good. Has he been on the Texans? He'll hit this point where it's like, was he on that team already?

Right. Yeah. All right. Chief's home for the Chargers. Technically, Chief season not over. I have the Chiefs. Go ahead.

Chiefs minus three. You're going to get it. I said two and a half. It is four and a half. It was five and a half before the game. Four and a half. That's done.

I mean, if they win this now, I guess a short week for the Chargers. I don't know what they're thinking here. Just don't score enough. Packers at Denver. This isn't, I mean, would you have had this as the marquee game or Bill's Pats? The only reason I had Bill's Pats was there's more at stake in that case. But Packers Broncos could be the fucking Super Bowl. Yeah, but I'm just, I like points at this point of a year, you know.

Try to hit this exact because I did. Packers, Denver. So it's funny, I had one team favorite in this game by one and a half, and then I flipped it to the other team. Yeah. The more I stared at it, and I decided it would be Packers minus one and a half. All right. You had the right team favored?

Two and a half. That's what I had. You got that? Yep. Got it exactly. Yeah, this is a... This is the gambler saying we don't really believe in you yet, Bo Nix. You know, you're looking good at some of these crappier teams,

but not sure we believe in you against a good defense. And just gambling. You have to show it to us. Psychology, you're like, oh, boy, Green Bay looked pretty good. They're back. No problems there. Denver screwed us with that Raiders thing. How do they not beat them by three touchdowns?

I'm taking Green Bay, and then Denver shows up. If this gets to three, I think the Broncos are a live pick for me. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, two and a halfs, I just, I just feel like we never had two and a halves until like the last five years. No, I know. Until AI, I felt like it's AI as far. Really? Yeah, AI figured out like, no, all these lines that were three should be two and a half.

We'd make more money. Now it's just two and a half. I'm going to ask Chat, GBT, why the lines are all two and a half. And if they hesitate, I'll know you're right. Yeah. Yeah. That's after we're done with the pot. That's a good idea.

Rams home for the Lions. I might be off on this. That's a good one. I think I went too low. This is a great game, though. I did Rams minus four. That's what I said. Five and a half.

Yeah, I knew I should have gone higher. That's tough. Lions are running out of guys. Yeah. I mean, branches out now? Jesus. Yeah, that's rough on the defense. They're, they get the.

The rest advantage, though, here, 10 days. I don't know. I don't, they ran it up on Dallas, but we were due to play a sloppy game. And that's just kind of what that was. That's all I'll say. How do you feel about George Pickens? Great, dude.

It's going to be a lot of fun. Do you think, like, do you think that's true? Like, he cost himself, like, $10 to $15 million on, like, one or two plays where he gave up? I watched that whole game and did something in my intro for the podcast after. I didn't really notice the picking stuff as much. I thought it was like two plays. That was it. I mean,

it's in my feed all day long, so that's what it was. It really was just two plays. But I think it's more troubling when he goes at it with like Richard Sherman and stuff. I don't think, I don't know. It's also really tough to pay two receivers top dollar and be good, right?

We're seeing with the Bengals now. Exciting. I would recommend against it. You don't think it's good? Yeah. I don't think it's a good idea. So on Fandall, the offensive player of the year, JSN is now minus 370.

Wow. Gibbs is plus 600. Taylor is plus 850. And then McCaffrey, who has a chance to go 1,000,000. He had a buy. It's 25 to 1. Yeah, he's down to 25 to 1.

I'll just say this. Taylor was the best player I was watching all season, non-quarterback for a while. And it, I just, I agree with what, Shil and Solac were saying on the podcast the other day. Like Gibbs, eye test-wise, it just feels like he's the best at his job

over any receiver running back, tight end. But I think he, I really do think I agreed with what those guys said. I think he gets penalized because the team he's on because they have so many weapons that it's like, oh, but he's on Detroit. It's like, I don't know, man.

I wonder like from a game planning standpoint if you pulled the 32 defensive coordinator and you were like, who is the scariest guy? Yeah. I feel like Gibbs would win. Right. Yeah, you have to prepare for him differently. And I test.

You're having like extra meetings about Gibbs. Now we got to talk about Gibbs coming out of the backfields. Now this inside run with Gets. Like you're doing like an extra three hours on Gibbs stuff, I think. Yeah. I mean, look, I test is great, but stats count too. And he's up there against Barry Sanders for like a 24-year-olds. Like, he's ridiculous.

And, you know, he's hit speeds of up to 60s. 62 miles an hour, sometimes. I saw that. That seemed really fast. J.S.N's been great. I see him being the favorite, but a 4-to-1 favorite seemed crazy to me. Yeah.

But it feels like that should be a little closer. Okay. The fairly watchables, we only have two. Panthers at the Saints. I think all games with playoff implications. But this will also be a fun game because Saints already beat the Panthers. I think Shuck is like,

if I'm the Saints, I'm not going into the draft thinking I need a quarterback. I think he's been good. I'm for a rookie. By the way, we had four non-first-round rookies playing today at one point. Do you know that?

What do you need? At quarterback? Today, four rookies, none of them picked in the first round. We're all playing today. Think about how weird that. Yeah. Playing quarterback.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is weird. Including him. And now you're going to have the top five teams, arguably three or four, don't need a quarterback, right? What do you do with Tennessee?

I'm still not sure. they're trading down but who's trading up yeah this is going to be a weird draft this is going to be a weird one i have the panthers favored by two and a half at new orleans uh you get it i went higher i bought into the hysteria i said four and a half it is exactly two and a half great wait what's the score here tough game that might be a stayway four to four oh i hate i hate that division again we were so right to neglect it This is, I think, the hardest line of the day. Seahawks, home for the Colts.

Mm-hmm. And the Colts need it. Yeah. Riley Leonard against an awesome defense. I thought maybe double digits was the answer, but I went low. I think I went too low. Seahawks minus eight and a half.

You're going to get it. I said eight. Damn it. It's ten and a half. Oh, ten and a half. Yeah. I just, I don't was, did a bad job today. That's a tough, that's a tough place to win,

Raleigh Leonard. He's going to have to make some plays. So if you have the Seahawks fantasy defense, good times are ahead in the first round of the playoffs. That's a good one. San Francisco is a good one against Tennessee, as we'll see in a second. I have some bad news.

The poop fecta has six games in it. This is what happens. happens when there are no buys or anything. They have to play the whole slate. I guess, you know what? Let's go five, because maybe this goes in as a fairly watchable. Bears Browns are fairly watchable or a poop effecta? Yeah, it's fairly watchable.

Yeah, I think the way the Shador thing, everyone's going to talk about. You know, we do our bring a pregame show. We do the pre-production meeting. We try to stack the games, kind of like what you're doing, like the best. Talk about the best ones first. We always move the Browns up because there's a Shador prop. There's a Miles Garrett prop. there's fun stuff

Stefansky tanking or just having a head injury I have the Bears at home favored by eight over the Browns You get that too I said nine Why isn't this nine? It's seven and a half

Shit 6-4 you're up Poop fact of five games Giants home for Washington So Daniel's got hurt We don't know if mentioned that All the Washington fans in my life who I took money from

with my Pats versus Washington just were Chang like a speed bag Giants Giants at Washington or Giants home against Washington there's going to be no Jaded Daniels because they decided to play him

and all the Washington fans of my life did not want Jada Danos to play anymore this season because they're out of the playoffs he's already injured what's the point of this we could get a better draft pick and yet he played and got hurt again yeah and it's unfortunate

it, but I played devil's advocate with that with House and I ran into my buddy Nathan Hubbard's Washington fan. What are you going to do? You're just not going to play these guys ever? Like there's a quarter of the season left. It's like, it's easy to say from your television, your living room, but people buy tickets to these games. Why do they have to miss? I love your new role as the voice of the fan. I know. But why? It's like for next year? What's next year going to be? And then House is like, well, Mary. He's like, he's a skinny, fragile guy that is already been hurt a bunch of times and you could maybe heard him for next season. Then he's not your guy.

He's not going to make it if that's going to be the how you view it. That's it. Sorry. I feel bad he got hurt, but people buying tickets for these games. Somebody's not going to make it on that Washington team, but I don't think it's going to be, I think it'll be either the head coach or Kingsbury

would be my guess. Yeah. Eagles. Wait, you didn't guess. You didn't guess. Oh, I didn't? Oh, Giants minus two and a half. it is two and a half i said one and a half all right i got some work to do here i thought the giants were okay on monday night i still feel like they're like when you think about two-win teams them versus the raiders

they're like way better than the raiders i can't even remember monday night there were a couple plays right that screwed them no i know but what were the two they had like two plays that were just really dumb well we got a punt return oh yeah yeah yeah that's dumb yeah and you was there a miss field goal or something. Yeah, there's a misfield goal. Yeah, that's hard to handicap those. But they kind of hung with us there for two hours.

Yeah, they're okay. Eagles Raiders in Philly, you know, nobody in the earth is going to bet on this because nobody who trusts this Eagles team, but it has to be Eagles 12 and a half, Eagles 13, I'm really, it's 12 and a half. I might call bullshit on this, how close you are with these monster numbers.

It is 12 and a half. I said 11 and a half. Who's taking the Raiders? Well, but it doesn't mean you should get exactly every single time. All right. But that's the area that big favorites are going to get.

Nobody's taking the Raiders unless you're getting 13 points. Would you take the Raiders of 11? I wouldn't. No, I took him at 7.5 today. I'm so excited. They have a new system, you know, where they just bring the field goal kicker out

if it makes sense or not. As Pickett's one of those guys where he'll be like, I could kind of see it. Yeah. I'm still holding on to like a penny stock for him. You know, my favorite Gino, I feel bad for him. He was in and out of that game. But when he's in the end zone, they snap it from the two-yard line, whatever.

He backs up. He's in the end zone. He throws a screen to the guy in the end zone. I think he likes hitting a receiver in the end zone, even though it's his own end zone. I'm like, oh, Jesus, now this guy has to run six yards to get to the one. It's the feeling of seeing a receiver catching in the end zone. He celebrates. He puts his arms up.

Tua had a classic today. I don't know if you saw it because House that I had. took the Jets. We couldn't find a fifth team. So we're like, fuck it. We took the Jets. And it was a hint of a possible Jets come back. And Tua is in basically zone end zone, goes back to pass, goes this way.

And then he's throwing a screen the other way. And this Jets guy is just running in for the one yard pick six, which is always the funniest playing football. But he like kind of banged into the guy and he couldn't catch it. Tua has one of those a game. Yeah. Like some of the worst passes of the season, And it's him once a game.

And the guy always drops it somehow. There's a Madden glitch. Yeah, he really is sometimes. You're like, how did you throw that? Jags home for the Jets. I have the Jags minus 10.5. Probably too high. No.

I had nine and a half. It's 11.5. Oh, that's definitely. They hate the Jets. I hate the Jets after. I mean, what's it going to be? Is it going to be this, who is this Schmo today? I don't even know what Brady Cook.

It sounds like a quarterback name, but. Yeah, that sounds like AI or like the Madden Generator created a name. Your new quarterback is Brady Cook. He's got a 64 rating. Southeast Louisiana. So, yeah. Texans home for the cards. Is this an old school 2004 Sal and Bill three team teaser?

I know you don't want to do the Eagles. I can't. No, it's illegal to put Trevor. Lawrence and a T's. So with no Trevor Lawrence, no hurts. Yeah, we had the Niners coming up. There's a Niners game coming up. That could be the last piece.

All right. I have Texans cards. Texans minus nine in Houston. Let's see what this moved to. Come on. Where is this? Houston is home. Yeah.

Got it. Eight and a half. I had eight and a half. I did get this. I swear. well that's a good one now what are they going to so they're doing the kailer murray they're just not bringing them back because it's easier for them to get rid of a lot of his contract

but if he got hurt there's some injury thing we're doing that thing yeah yeah let him play baseball it's fine they'll go on is there a team that would talk to themselves in the kailer murray next year could he start for like the jets you can't do that to the Jets well that's going to be your answer for whatever I give here no there's a couple others I was thinking you could say it they're in this league

Atlanta oh they can't think Pennix is ever playing for them again yeah said 17 knee injuries he does he would be he would fit in Atlanta on a lot of levels I would want him indoors probably in one of the

South's I think his destiny is to be in one of the South divisions because it's just weird shit happens in both of those divisions so get him in there somewhere you're destined for the South young man take this plane ticket right

Atlanta thought would be a good one for him Niners Titans in San Francisco and I think I'm too low on this I said 10 and a half for this I said 11 and a half it's 13 and a half oh my Lord

I don't think I'm close here. Wow, 6, 7, 8, 9. So we can't put that in a tease. No. What is, I'm up by one? No, you're up by like two. Nine to, you're up by three. It's nine, six.

Oh, I clinched. Great. Yeah. Take that, Jacoby. Damn, Jacoby. So close. Sunday night. Cowboys Vikings.

Hmm. Your team. Still technically sort of alive. I guess you need the Philadelphia Eagles to lose Tomorrow against the Chargers. Yeah, at least that. And then you win this? It makes me sad to watch Washington play like they did today.

And I know it's because the quarterback went out, but, you know, they play the Eagles twice. I need them to show up. Whatever, it's over. It's fine. But meanwhile, I didn't watch one minute of that Vikings game, but apparently they played great. Yeah. Like, people were upset with me. Like, see, you didn't give J.J. McCarthy enough credit.

Like, look, I like when quarterbacks play well. Don't you? Like, I want to have good quarterbacks in the league. I just don't want them to come to life when I bet against them, you know? I want either really good ones or really bad ones. I thought Brasmer's pick six was my favorite football moment, probably the month. So Tyler Shuck does nothing for you because he's kind of in the middle. He's in the middle.

He's not a guaranteed fourth quarter interception. Just for watching football on a Sunday, yeah, he's in the middle. Although he's fun from a, like, backdoor cover or getting frisky. is a big money line thing. I want to figure out Ringer 107 next year. I really feel like we got out working underdog picks.

Like Ringer 107 should move a little bit more like our Sunday pregame show. So there's just a certain categories of picks a little bit? Yeah. Yeah. Because I thought

the Texans as an underdog would have been a really fun like just the underdog money line. The Saints against the Bucks was like a really obvious money line one. That would have been a fun one

to go after. Sunday night, Cowboys at home, I have them in the Vegas zone here at minus five and a half. That's what I had too and it's six and a half. I mean,

but what's the, we're going to be eight, eight and one. The Eagles are going to end up having like 11 wins, 10 wins. And it's going to be like,

what did we go crazy about? It's going to be a weird vibe for those Eagles playoff games. Yeah. What seed is that looking like right now? Well, they won't Top either of the NFC West teams They have the bills

They have two against Washington Vegas and the Chargers tomorrow 10 or 11, right Yeah Monday night Three Yep Steelers home

For the Dolphins And if let me tell you something If this isn't in the Vegas zone I don't know anything This is the most Vegas-owned game matchup of the year here. This is it. We've reached peak Vegas zone. I went Steelers minus four and a half. It's not. I hit this one exactly. It's three and a half. I'm going to recount these.

Six, eight, eight. You lost. No, yeah, it's 10, eight. It won, 10, eight. Nine, six in the week. How is that game not in the Vegas zone? They don't, they have no idea what to do with the Steelers. I don't blame them. I feel bad for anyone who has to set these Steelers lines. My goal for the rest of the year is to get a Steelers game. Correct. That's my new goal. Four weeks left. I was talking to Anthony Dubondo, my co-host on several shows during the week, Tony Tokens. And he's like, the Steelers special. They just outgrew it. They just can't do it anymore. They're kind of lost with it. That was the lose the first half win the game. Like, they didn't even do it today.

Well, you should have, once that story came out about they could buy out Tomlin in March, it was like, ah, they're definitely winning. Yep. Today's parent corner is brought to by Workday. Are you a forward thinker? Then you need an HR and finance platform that thinks like you do. Workday is the AI platform that helps propel your organization, your workforce, your entire industry into the future. Workday, moving business forever forward. Why don't you start us off?

Okay. So I'm a lunatic with my children in terms of like asking dumb questions. And I insist on answers, right? like I used to do this with my cousin Jimmy when I'd go out there. I'd be like 11. He'd be 14. I wouldn't let him go to sleep before he'd answer the questions. Like if one of your parents had to die, which would you pay?

And he would like stall for like two hours. By the way, he used to do that to me. I would do we work together. Right. Exactly. It's great. Simmons. Simmons.

If you could only save one of your parents, which one would you save? Yeah. And you said your father. Yeah, well, because your mother's wearing that thing. I was the answer. your mother's safe because she's got that don't say that she'll get mad at me she'll put a curse on me she did no you did not say that i refuse to answer i haven't recorded but it's fine uh no um so i of course i do this with my kids what's the point of having kids if you're not going to do

this with your kids so i'm like yeah like i ask him if one of your cousins had to live in a tree the rest of their life what would it be and which of your friends would join a boy band what's the weirdest thing you'd weirdest animal you'd put on a slice of pizza cooked kangaroo by the way is the answer there. So now Harrison, my youngest, is kind of turning the tables on me. He likes this kind of line of questioning only when he wants to play. But he asked me, and I want you to answer this, you get $10 million to complete a 20-yard pass to someone in your contacts, in your phone. And if you lose, you get shot in the head. And so then it's like, the question's like, all right, who's doing the shooting? And he's like, well, I would shoot. I'm like, no, you're not going to

shoot me in the head. And so then that also ends up. But anyway, you die if it's incomplete. If it's complete, you get $10 million. What's your answer here? What did you answer? Well, I feel like I narrowed it down to three. Mikey Meatball is a ringer producer, very good athlete. I don't think he'd let me down. Van Lathan, very dependable, athletic. I don't know, bad creaky knees. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Could stumble as you're throwing it. I think Van comes, comes too. here. And our friend tall John, because I don't think I could

overthrow him, you know? Right. He's like, he's about, you know, he's seven or eight feet tall. So those are my three. Do you have athletes in your... You know, I'm going to pick Craig Horlebeck. Oh, good. Okay. He's like almost six foot three. He's in the late 20s, like

maybe 29, 30. Still plays sports, does stuff. I would pick him or Tate. Tate, good hand-eye. Little younger, Scratch golfer. Tate's going to be upset with me. For not picking them.

I want that range. Can't pick even though my son can catch anything. Right. I don't know if I'd trust them. Maybe it's too much pressure. Maybe he'd want me to get shot in the head. He wants to collect. He wants to collect that.

Lose it. Let's go. Let's see where that money is. I would go Horacek or Tate. Oh, Tate's going to be so upset with me for not picking him. This is the worst thing you ever did to Tate. Yeah, I know. All right.

number four on the list. Damn. That's a pretty good one. That's good. So that's what your kid's doing now, coming up with crazy. Yeah, I like it. I don't mind it.

It keeps things fresh. But you know Larry David, don't you? Isn't he in your contacts? Wouldn't throw it? You wouldn't throw a Larry? He's too old. Yeah, anyone over 50 wouldn't do it. So we had a little holiday thing yesterday.

and we got rid of the dogs. We brought the two dogs to my mother-in-law's house. And they stayed over with my mother-in-law. And it was great. It was like when you're just getting rid of your kids, when you actually have real kids, then I was thinking like,

this is something we should probably do more often. Because Ben doesn't hang out with us. We get rid of the dogs. It's like we have like an empty house. It's like we're going nuts. And then that got got me into this existential crisis of it, would it just be better if we didn't have dogs? I love my

he's probably my best friend. Yeah. But it's like I did this pro-cons list in my head because it was like so nice to just wake up in the morning and we didn't have to like feed the dogs, walk the dogs, just lie in bed and post-made at Starbucks.

It's like, I'm just not doing anything. This is great. I'm so glad they're not here. What do they do to get in the way to get in the way of you post-mating Starbucks? How do they get in the way? having to wake up, go down, feed them, let them out, just like the responsibility of all that, walk them around, just like, like, do you hit a point in your life? Because I always wanted,

I've always been a dog guy. Do you hit a point in your life when you get older where it's like, eh, maybe this is kind of a pain in the ass? Really? See, I thought it was the other way. I thought and you told a nice story about your dad. Like he wants a dog, right? Like, I think when you get older and there's no one in the house, the dog is even more necessary. So this is why I did my pro-con. I played it out in my head. I did a whole bunch of pro-cons.

And I ended up with it, it is better to have the dogs. But I did it was the first time in a while where I was like, all right, let's actually think about this. Was it close? With the pro-con, it was close for you to say this. You know, the shitting in the house was a con?

You don't like that, yeah. Yeah, that happened recently after Thanksgiving when Murph dropped a big one in a room. I mean, Murph accounts for your, like 38% of your parent corners, which are sponsored a lot of times. So you have to consider that. Was that on the pro?

Well, are you going to get another dog after your older dog? Yeah, I think so. I think we are. So you always have a dog? I think so. I think we have to have someone to yell at. We have to, you know, the wife talks in a weird voice.

It's very routine at this point. Yeah. My only other parent corner is my son needs to start wearing contact lenses. Like his eyesight has been kind of lousy. What? Like just like, but lousy enough to get by where he could like see, but now it's kind of like straining and his eyes, like he actually really needs to start wearing. So he's been wearing glasses when he studies at night and stuff like that.

And he just needs to do contacts, but he doesn't like putting his fingers near his eye. So when I was 13, you're a big contact guy for a long time. Well, I was glasses forever because I didn't want to put my fingers in my eyes. I didn't want to, I was like afraid to put my contacts in. Yeah. So I thought for a parent corner, I would tell the story. I went to hypnotist between 8th and 9th grade and the hypnotist over the course of three sessions walked me through putting my finger in my eye. And I got over the hump and I started putting my contacts in. And I've been wearing contact lenses ever since the fall of 1983. And now I'm at the point where I could be in an airplane as it's landing and bumping and just like, like if I can put my contacts in. But I couldn't get over the hump. So the question is, should we get a hypnotist for my son,

who doesn't want to put his fingers in his eye? Or is this insane? No, I, first of all, oh, so you'd get rid of the dogs and get a hypnotist? No, no, okay. Would I trade the dogs for a hypnotist? Why didn't you, wouldn't an ophthalmologist be able to take you through it better than a hypnotist? You can get some kind of,

no, I didn't want to put my, I was afraid of my finger. For some reason, I had like a weird, thing about my finger going near my eye. I just didn't like it. So I have more questions. So I'd be like, ah, ah. What did he do, he or she do to get you to, like, what things did they say? We did that thing where you go into like the little hit and test thing and then he would

walk me through visualization of putting contacts in my eyes and put the finger there and press it against and blink and make sure. And I would just kind of go through it. And it actually worked. I think hypnosis might be underrated. No, I think it does work. Do we do it for a baby doll to get him to stop smoking or is it more fun to just have him smoking? No, yeah, no, that's his essence.

He needs to start and he wouldn't go anyway. He needs it. I was on such a bad gambling streak. I went to a hypnotist. Our cousin Jimmy set us up with this hypnotist he liked to stop gambling. This is like before I knew you. But when I got to him, it was a Friday and I was going to Vegas that weekend. And I said, whatever you do, can it kick in Monday?

And he's like, get the fuck out of my office. What are you talking about? Oh my God. So I had conditions. But I think it does work for people. Would Ben do that or would you just laugh at you? We're going to, so he's apparently his girlfriend's going to help him with it. And you just, once you get over the hump of it, you're good.

But there's something about the mental block of doing that. Yeah. Well, the fact that you had it and you could relay that to him. I'm a success story. I've been wearing him forever. It's why my eyes look red and everything we do now in 4K and people always think I'm stoned. It's because I have these giant fucking contacts in my eyes. Yeah.

And the other thing with contacts is you can't use like bi-zine or any of that to make your eyes whiter because you're just putting chemicals in there. And they have like these rewetting drops, but they don't really work for me. It's so complicated. You never got the Lasix, right? No, my eyesides. I'm like a minus 10 and 10.5. So it's right in that range where you have to get either reading glasses or, yeah, contacts. Yeah, there's no saving me.

I really thought, I thought as we got older, I really thought they were going to figure out seeing and hearing. Everything. Can you think like in the 80s? They're going to figure this out. We'll have no more blind people or deaf people. We'll have all this stuff. By 2000, they'll have it all.

They're going to figure out nothing. There's going to be a pilful baldness. And, you know, all right, the fat thing I feel like, you know, for a lot of money is resolving itself. But there's something for that. Yeah. Somehow we can't figure out seeing or hearing, but we can make videos of a cheap.

coming into somebody's room at AI where they steal somebody's baby and the cheetah leaves and it looks like a real video. Somehow we've been able to accomplish that. Need some kind of pill so that Murph doesn't shit all over the house and the proposed Thanksgiving. Maybe I need to hypnotize Murph. Maybe that's where this lands. Bring them. Can dogs get hypnotized? It couldn't hurt. Yeah. That's a that's Parent Corner. You can learn more at workday.com. What else? Any other highlights before we go? it. I don't know. Everyone's screaming about the college football playoffs. You don't care, right?

Like this is just... Well, I care about my James Madison guy, Chesney. They made the playoffs. Yeah, Holy Cross. From Holy Cross to James Madison, going to UCLA. That's my guy. And now he's playing Oregon. Yeah. But he won't even play the coach there, right? It's just such a mess. I thought he was going to finish the season. He is. I know he did the other day. But, uh, yeah.

I don't know. It's just like, I feel like this thing, this was like the worst week for football. These conference championships don't really mean anything. I know. They got to figure that out. I just, they have to go to 16 teams because it's just unfair no matter how you look at it. I really feel that way. Like Miami beat Notre Dame. So how are you going to put Notre Dame in over them?

Alabama, sure, three losses, but they played in a conference final, which these other teams didn't. So they get to play in the top two conference finals. So just move it to 16 games. But I think Lane Kiffin overall, I just wanted to say this. I think he's taking a lot of crap for lying to kids. the people get righteous about lying to kids. You know how many kids I would lie to for like an extra $40 million? I would lie to like 500 kids.

They make it like he took them to Bosnia and left them there. It's like they're going to be fine. They've got scholarships. They'll get a new coach that kind of cares about them. Yeah, you lie to kids. Is that the worst thing it did? It took $100 million more. Can I give you quickly a couple of basketball things that I just thought was interesting?

just on a Sunday night. Yeah, go ahead. The Celtics now have the fourth best odds to win the Eastern Conference at plus 650. There are three seed and there's real feelings that Jason Tatum

could be back in January. That's fascinating. Miami is 12 to 1 but is probably the most likely team to get Janus unless you want to say Atlanta who's 11 to 1. And those are the ones

if you wanted to make a Janus play with one of those two teams. Really? You could do it. The other one that's interesting is there's been some Trey Murphy trade buzz. And I think if San Antonio was able, San Antonio makes the most sense for him because they have Devin Vesel's contract, could send that back, and they have all these picks, right?

And Trey Murphy's probably worth three first round picks. And if they got him and they had Castle and they had Dylan Harper and they had Wambayama and they have all the other guys they have, So, you know, they're not going to beat O KC unless somebody got hurt, but it's just like their odds are 25 to 1. I think those odds would go down. Would you go something for the division I'm looking at plus 320? Would they overtake the rockets?

Potentially. Yeah. Yeah. And then the only other one is Denver would be the wildcard Trey Murphy team. Where they wouldn't be in any of, everyone will say San Antonio, Detroit. They'll list all the usual suspects. but Denver could go MacDady trade Cam

Johnson who they just traded for throw some extra picks in there to New Orleans and get Tray Murphy and that's the only team that can catch O'KC OKC is minus 130 to win the West and I honestly don't understand why that's not 2 to 1 Denver is plus 450

and Denver is the only team that I think could chase them down so and the spurs were 25 to 1 is that what you said for that yeah and then the other one is okay see that 74 plus wins is still dropping and now it's plus 490 yeah i honestly would be shocked if they lost 10 games i don't see how it happens really yeah i really don't like right now they're 23 and 1 it's like every time they lose it feels like an event they're so good they're so

deep um i know there'll be some schedule stuff coming on later they've won 15 straight their net stuff i just don't understand how they would lose 10 games so seven so that's so that's Plus 490 is a really crazy number, I think. What's their baseline? 70 and 12? 70 plus is minus 114. 75. Right now to win 70, they're minus 1.

They're minus 114 just to win 70. So it's four more wins. And 75 is plus 750. All right, I'll do that. But here's the thing about the 74. And this is why I think it's a great bet. If they're a little close to it, right? If they're like 64 and 8 or something like that,

like they're not going to do the thing we're like, yeah, we don't care about that. Like at some point you go for the record. They go 10 and 0. And they're deep, right? And I think you would want to try to finish and try to get it. And you're at your, some nights you're going against tanking teams.

I just think I can't believe plus 490. I think that should be lower. I think that should be like 2 to 1. I'm going to do that. I'll lose on that. So that one, that jumped out to me. Yeah. The Celtics over under.

This is another number I couldn't believe. 49 and a half right now. So before the year, they were 42 and a half. So it's jumped seven wins, basically based on them looking good for two weeks. And then there was a Dallas one, too, I know this. By the way, I told House this was going to happen here. You were down on the Celtics coming in the year.

Oh, my God. I went to that Washington game. I was like, oh, my, if one guy gets hurt, this team's going to win 20 games. They're going to make a little run right around the NBA Cup thing. They may not even be involved in the NBA Cup. You're going to be back on them. But now you're going to win 50 games plus, huh?

Two things happen. Yeah. I talked about on Thursday a little bit. We got hypnotists for, no. Jayland's just been night after night has been toe to toe with whoever the best guy and the other team is. Like, he really did go up a level. And Kate has been good all year.

But this, this Jordan Walsh thing is like out of control. This is a guy like he couldn't get on the court the first two years. And even the first two weeks, it was like, kind of surprising when he's even out there in crunch time. And now he's turned into this destructive wing. Like Reeves talked about him after the Friday game. He was like, that guy's really good. He's like really hard to score on.

So they built this team with these wings that try really hard. They have shooting. They figured out how to bring in Simons. And, you know, they beat Toronto and Toronto Day. That was, Toronto's been good this year. They have, they're putting together good wins over and over again. So anyway, 49.5 seemed high to me. that's you know just it says to how good they've been playing are you sad lebron's 10 points streak is

over i thought it was the best way to end i will say though i never really cared at all about the 10 points yeah i thought the more interesting one to me was the shea streak do you see that one like she is almost i think he's getting close to 100 straight 20 point games yeah yeah and the records 126. Like that's one, that's like a baseball hit streak almost. That's great. That's great. But thousands. Think about all the shit that, well, but, but don't you think like, pick any great player of all time. Don't you think any of them if they're like, all right, we got to get 10 every night? No, of course, but it really means you have to them. You didn't twist your ankle horribly in the first quarter. Right. It's more like an injury like thing. Right.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. And that's been one of the great things about, that makes LeBron so different than everybody else is the durability. Just they, like, the guy never fucking gets hurt. When he's hurt, it's even now at age 40, it seems shocking. But I thought I'm more impressed by the 20 plus.

All right. What about Brony? Could he put together like a two points tree? Like a dozen or something? Lakers had a good win today. Yeah. They won in Philly and LeBron had his best game of the year.

So we'll see. I'm interested to see what Rich, we launched our Rich and Max podcast tomorrow, game over. They're taping in the afternoon. And I'll be interested to see what Rich says about the Lakers, because I think he's going to not hold back. He says he's not talking basketball. You didn't see that thing he came out with tonight?

What? Yeah, just college football. It's him and McShay. Oh, and we had the worst UFC ever this week. By the way, you know, so that started my losing streak for the week. Of course, I had Marab and a money line parlay, and he went out there and he went like two for 25 and take downs. And then what did he say? What disease did he have today?

did he say? He's like, I'm sorry I was fighting, oh, now I have to find it. It was like a serious thing. He claimed he had a disease? The neurovirus. He's like, I've been fighting in the norovirus all week. Like, Lamar Jackson doesn't practice and it's not announced. And it's like, oh my God, this is like, come on, Dana White. Let's see a roster of everybody who has the norovirus.

And I'll be sure not to bet so many thousand on him, whatever that number is. Well, I was thinking with the dislocated elbow 26 seconds in in the previous match. Do they need a guy in the weight class who's just like the bullpen closer if there's some sort of disaster

and it has to be like in the first like two minutes of the match? If the match is over, it's like you hear the glass break, the stone cold music and it's like all of a sudden this next guy comes running in and we just keep going. I like that.

Probably not legal. No, but too many broken bones are all. You're right. No 10 point streaks in the UFC. All right, what do you got to plug this week? That's it, man. We're doing this ringer gambling show, live shows on YouTube and the Fandle Sports Network. I'm on Tuesday Wednesday.

It's great. It's great on the Fandals to actually just pop on one of the cable channels and it's there. Yeah, it's all over the place. We'll see a promo for us on a Timberwolves game. It's fun. Good times. And we occasionally give out winners. All right.

As always, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. Thanks to Eduardo and Gahow as well. Don't forget. Rich and Max, their podcast, we'll be putting up probably tomorrow night. So get ready for that. It's called Game Over. Hope you subscribed to that one.

Hope you checked out to Jeff Buckley documentary we did. We have, I think WizKids coming this week. And that one's really good, too. But Music Box series on HBO and Sal, next time I see you, we'll have an answer on Pats versus Bills. Oh, right. Yeah. Make that Sunday night.

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