The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Clapper Strikes Again, 49ers Roll, Browns Buckle, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal, Plus: 'Succession' Finale! | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: October 14, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Jets' first win of the season (over the Cowboys), the 49ers coasting over the Rams to 5-0, Steelers-Chargers, Texans-Chiefs, Seahawks-Browns, and more (2:05). Then they guess the NFL lines for Week 7 (42:03). Finally, Bill talks with Kyle about the Season 2 Finale of HBO's 'Succession' (1:16:40). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. I know you're in pins and needles. Coming up, we're going to talk to the cuz about week six NFL, little baseball playoffs. And then at the tail end, I'm going to talk succession season finale. So there you go. Let's bring our friends in for Pearl Jam. Okay, I feel like we start the podcast like this once a year. Is it time to fire the clapper? The cuz is on the line right now, Cousin Sal. Cowboys killed us today.

We lost money. You lost your pride. You lost your dignity. You might have lost a playoff spot. How long can you go with this coach what do you what what year is this i don't know it's 2014 i said get rid of him for the longest time i don't know he ruined jerry's birthday now he ruined jerry's birthday that's like a whole new wrinkle to the whole thing but um oh yeah he blew this game but i told you this morning you texted

me like i like did i like the cowboys do we like them against the spread? I'm like, he's not, Garrett's not able to get up for this game. It's a sandwich game between the Packers and the Eagles next Sunday night, which maybe they'll get up for, but not this one. So I said they'll win, but they won't cover. And they didn't do either. I thought it looked like the most obvious tease of all time, which is why I threw the Seahawks in it as a three teamer. As it turned out, the Chargers lost as well.

Yeah, it wasn't just the Cowboys that cost you money. I was actually happy that the Chargers blew it too. Well, but we could have at least done the Steelers plus six and a half. So the Cowboys, the Jets come out. Darnold's back. His spleen is now fine. He's spleen-fastic. Spleentastic?

Spleentastic. Either way. Comes out. It's not looking bad yet, but then you blow it deep in their territory, and then they get a 92-yard touchdown. All of a sudden, it's 14-3. Yeah, the fourth and two call was amongst the worst with Prescott just rolling left against a defense

which had proven itself to be faster than the Cowboys vertically. Well, and then you have Zeke Elliott to his left, who he's kind of running ahead of. So Zeke Elliott is both the decoy, but the defense was shaded to his side anyway. I didn't understand that play at all. I think they thought they had 150 yards to their left to work out this option play,

but there's an out-of-bounds line at some point. I feel like we've seen more aggressiveness on fourth and short the last, maybe three, four years as advanced metrics has creeped into the league and kind of convince these guys to be more brazen. And I, it actually probably started before then with riverboat Ron. Cause I remember writing about that when I was at Grantland.

Yeah. And as the, as the decades gone on, we've seen more and more of it. And the plays seem like they're getting worse. Have you noticed that? Yeah, sure. Like whatever happened to the plays

where it's like everybody, it's a play action to the left and then the tight end leaks to the other side. Right. There used to be more cleverness. Now it's these QB draws on the same side the running back backs on or people throwing off their back foot um like that play that you ended up losing the game on the two-point

conversion yeah we're very very vanilla even mahomes last sunday night there's still just a run up the middle on fourth and one like there's yeah there's no inventive and i think they're going for more on fourth and one because we're seeing more missed short kicks we have field goals or extra points we said i think there were three missed extra points by 11 30 pacific this morning so right it makes sense but yeah that was brutal to watch that cowboys and then for them that was a good drive that was thwarted and then like you said like a 92 yard touchdown pass by donald to uh like heath playing center field there like really is it shouldn't be a pro anymore. And then they shut him down in the second half, though.

They held him to a field goal. And then it was Jason Garrett's turn to ruin things. So what happens? Well, I think just the play. I can't blame him for the play calling because he's not even doing that. I don't know what he's doing anymore, but I have a feeling he has something to do with the timeouts, in which the only thing you want to do with a minute 20 left when you're inside the 20 and three timeouts is keep those three timeouts. So if you get a first down at the

eight or the seven, don't burn a timeout there, you know, down it because you know, you want four, you want a shot to convert, but you don't want it to be that the two-point conversion miss kills you, right? So you want all three timeouts. If you have two timeouts and 40 seconds left or 50 seconds left, you're done. So I don't know why I and you and House and everyone could see that, but Jason Garrett can't. It was awful. He didn't get crucified enough for it during the game.

There's 50 seconds left. They've just gotten a first down. They're inside the 10. They're in the 8-yard line. They're down 8. The timeout, first of all, the clock is kind of his friend in a weird way

because you have four plays left. Even if they go to the line, take their time, and they run a fade route in the corner, and that's your first down play, the clock stops with 25, 26 seconds. So if you still have all your timeouts, but your goal should be to try to score without burning any of the three timeouts.

And of course they just take the timeout. So now it's like, all right, now we have to score. I get a two pointer. We're losing the game. Right. It's just, I don't understand how we go through this every year. And then these coaches can't figure it out. How hard is this?

Well, that's, what's getting worse to me. me i mean you might say the fourth and one calling but yeah just just the coaching in general just the dumb the little minutiae of every game uh we saw it with quinn today and and uh in atlanta what did he do why didn't he onside kick he only had two timeouts in a minute left why are you not onside kicking? Yeah, that was weird. I don't know. Even tonight, I thought, and I'm not second guessing. I swear to God, I called these before the time. Even Collinsworth said it.

Michael said it. They all said, kick it deep. Now, you're giving the Chargers a chance on fourth and one from the 35 to go for it. Not that it mattered because Rivers threw an interception anyway, but it really does seem like they're on the wrong side of just the book, just playing by the book most of the time. And then Freddie Kitchens was at it again. Yeah. He's another one. We'll get to him. Can I read you your next five games? Yeah. It's not pretty. You got a Sunday nighter against Philly, which is a borderline loser leaves town match, but it's not, but it kind of has that vibe of

whoever comes out of that one will have more momentum. And I don't know what happens to the other team. Then you're at the Giants. You're home for Minnesota, the possibly resurgent Minnesota. I'm not ready to say that yet. Then you go at Detroit, at New England. And you're in a division, I'm sorry, in a conference where there's just too many good teams or too many decent teams. You have, I said the Niners are probably a playoff team at this point. They're 6-0. 6-0 or 5-0? 5-0. 5-0. They're 5-0. With their schedule, it's hard to imagine them not going 10-6 or 11-5, I would say, even if they played 500 the rest of the way,

10 and six, um, saints are five and one Packers are four and one. I think only one playoff team comes out of your division. I'm with you. And you're three and three. The Eagles are three and three. Then you go,

Carolina's four and two, Minnesota's four and two, Chicago's three and two Detroit is two, one and one. And the Rams are 3-3, almost looking like this might not happen for them this year. And I got to say, I'm shocked. Yeah, the Cowboys and Rams were 3-0 three weeks ago.

And now they're looking at, well, maybe one or neither of these teams make the playoffs. And I think it's worse for the Rams because they're in a division that might see two 10-win teams ahead of them, right? Did we underestimate how good Gurley was? Yeah, I think maybe we did. I think we did.

And I'm not even talking about this year's Gurley. He didn't play today, and that was one of the reasons. Well, I think we understand how much Goff relies on him, right? Yeah, I guess as a runner and a pass catcher. Yeah, I mean, I was ready to kill Goff, but I was like, God, you know, he's had 900 yards passing in the last two games. That's hard.

I don't care what's going on in these games. That's tough to come away with zero Ws in two games of 900 yards. He only had one interception against Seattle, and that was controversial. They had to review it. You know, it was on the turf or wasn't, but,

but boy, this was, this was a terrible, terrible showing. I wish I didn't love Sean McVay as much as I do, because I feel like he's making me bet them. And do you feel the same way? Like more and more every week,

I don't want to getting worse and worse. Here would be the case for not overacting to that game. They scored the first touchdown of seven, nothing. Niners come back. They scored. Niners come down again. They get a pick. They go all the way down.

And then for once, McVay gets a little aggressive. Third and short. They don't get it. Fourth and short. I don't know how they didn't get it. They don't get it. And that was on the goal line. And they would have been up 14, seven.

And after that, the wheels just kind of came off but i felt like you know even in the in the third quarter they had the ball it was still 7-7 the wheels just kind of came off for them as the as the thing went along but i do wonder what happens if they can score and go up 14-7 on that goal line right and i just can't believe they blew it i just can't believe they didn't go into that and just like, we're going to put our foot on their throat and not let this team was coming off a short week. They won Monday night. They maybe have an inflated record because of who they played. And by the way, they were out to tackle.

Two of their starting offensive tackles were out, San Francisco. So it really on paper doesn't add up at all. And like you said, it was close. So I don't know why they weren't able to put it away at any point. There was a moment during the weekend when it seemed like the Niners might throw away the game. They're missing both tackles. And then it seemed like Kittle might not play.

Right. And then you go, all right, well, they're not going to be a full strength. Maybe who knows, but coming out of that, man,

you know, the running attack, especially when they're up, they can really protect these leads, which I like. Jimmy G seems like he's still going to have the one terrible throw game, and he had it again today, that weird fade pass that got picked. It was awful. But for the most part, it just seems like they've stolen the Rams' mojo in a lot of ways. What would worry me if I was a Rams fan?

And the reason that I liked them, that I believed in them up until today was I always felt like third and eight or down seven or needing to go 80 yards in four minutes. I felt like their receivers could get open. And let's see what we're talking about. We're talking about Cooper cup, right? First and foremost,

like that, that guy can't get separation three times a game is outrageous to me. It seemed like today they had a couple really, really big plays. One was to Cup, ironically, and it was a fourth and two. But those guys, and the other one was to Gerald Everett, who was awesome last week. But it just seemed like those guys were blanketed all over the field.

And I don't really know whether the secret sauce has just been uncovered with the McVay offense or what's going on. But I'm going to throw this at you. You're going to like this. Is Sean McVay the M. Night Shyamalan of NFL coaches? All right, let's hear it. 2017, breaks out of the scene, 11 and 5, kind of his sixth sense. It's like, who's this? Who is this audacious filmmaker? He's really

bringing something new to the table. I'm not used to this. Then last year, another good one. 13-3 season, unbreakable by Shyamalan, where you're just like, oh man, oh, he's for real. This is happening. A lot of rip-offs. People start trying to rip off the whole horror thing from him. Now he's 3-3 this year. This feels like signs. The worm has turned. People have figured out his style. Now he's got to adjust. Shyamalan, it took him forever to adjust. And then he finally, the last few years, was able to get his mojo back. But the league figured him out. I'm worried the league has figured out McVay, which is a problem because he has 15 different disciples coaching teams spread around the league. I do like that. I do. I might add that maybe he's the Shug he's the Suge Knight Shyamalan.

Suge Knight. Suge was, he was all the rage back, remember, he was on Kimmel back in the day, and now a couple of years later, you know, he's beating people up in parking lots again.

You don't want to touch him. You don't want to bet this team. M. Night, M. Night McVeigh. The Goff thing has gotten so bad that I actually saw on Twitter, somebody was talking about how much dead money it would cost if they just got rid of him after the year

before his extension even kicked in I'm like alright they're definitely not doing that no they're not going to do that but it is kind of shocking I'm with you with the offense but what about what I said I know they're playing from behind against Tampa and Seattle was what it was

but he did have 900 yards past. Like Wade Phillips could be blamed for some of this too. I always expect that defense to score a touchdown every three weeks or come up with five or six sacks. And that hasn't happened either. Defense was pretty good today though. They did play well. They didn't blow it. Yeah. It was all golf, I guess. I don't know. If they lose their identity of the team that can always make a play when they need one, which I don't just don't know. If they lose their identity of the team that can always make a play when they need one, which I don't just don't think they can anymore.

Maybe part of that is girly and how dangerous he was coming out of the backfield and catching balls and all that stuff. He was going through 10 weeks last year. We were saying he was the best player in the league. So maybe they need CJ Anderson back. Things were okay with him too. Where is he? Can we get him?

Well, here's the other thing. Sorry. If they call the pass interference in the Superdome, and I don't want to make the Saints excuses again because they blew that game a million times. But if that play is called correctly and they don't make the Super Bowl, maybe this is all less surprising.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's true. It's true. I just look at this team. I don't know. It's? Yeah, it's true. It's true. I just look at this team. I don't know. It's like the Chargers tonight, too. I just don't expect them to go nine-minute drives and get a field goal or miss a field goal.

You know, you think they're high-powered offenses, and maybe they're just not anymore. Well, the Chargers can't block, which is a problem. That was bad, yeah. And when we say they have no home field advantage, did you see the stuff on social from the game today? This had to be the worst example of that I've ever seen. Ever.

They had the towels. They were just everywhere. There were no Chargers fans anywhere. We know the Steelers fans travel well. They do a good job. But yeah, I mean, I think Michael said it was 80%. I don't know. Whenever they showed anyone in the crowd, it looked like more

Steelers fans. That's got to infuriate them. What would be worse than being there, you think, with 30,000 Damoshek and that whole crew? Can you imagine anything worse? Damoshek had his kid there, yeah. How are there this many

Pittsburgh Steelers fans in LA? I don't know. How do we have 30,000 Steeler fans here? They're just waiting and crawling out. They should have had clocked out at the Heinz factory

and they just, they just drove. Oh, they all went in a bus. 40,000 people. It's insane. But no, you're right. That offensive ladder is bad. I mean, Phil Rivers

could have used four of his kids and would have blocked better for him today. Somebody should have had a Primanti's food truck outside the stadium. It would have been like a riot. Everybody would have been delayed getting in.

There's no way I can ever figure out NFL trades who can get traded, and he probably doesn't want to get traded anyway, and he has too many kids to leave LA. But he's... I just wish it was like the NBA, where guys were in play as their season started to fall apart. Yeah.

Phil Rivers on the Bears would be really fun. I know it can't happen, but- Pretty good, yeah. Maybe they should do it like Raw and SmackDown did. They did a draft, right? Yeah, that was weird. You take seven quarterbacks every three years and they're going to redraft them.

They had a... My son wanted it. I taped that and we watched it and it was very strange. Stephanie McMahon came out and just announced like six picks in a row. Yeah. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason to it.

I like when it's teams as a team captain, right? That's what we were saying, too. Yeah. I don't know. Somehow Rob Stone was in the Fox group. He's a lunatic. He's really turned crazy. I love him to death.

But when we went the other night at SmackDown, we saw Matt Leinart afterwards. He was sitting next to Stone. And I said, he's embarrassing to sit next to. He's like, I know you're kidding, but yeah, it's crazy. But he actually is embarrassing. But I can't wait to get out of here. Well, on FanDuel today, I got killed yet again, which gives me something in common with the rest of my week.

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Good for $10. Nice. Chubb, Elliott, McLaurin, Hooper, Broncos defense, all 20 plus points. Broncos D. Jared Goff was my quarterback, Simmons. 1.1. I should win $1,000 for placing so high with Jared Goff as a quarterback, Simmons. 1.1. I should win $1,000 for placing so high with Jared Goff as a quarterback.

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You did enjoy M. Night, Sean McVay. How many years are we going to do this? I asked him about it, Jerry, and he's like, I'm not even close to talking about things like that in the future. I will say, to his credit, he hasn't lied about that. He's asked every single week, every single losing week for the last, I don't know, four or five years, and he says, no, we're not thinking about it.

And it seems like he's not thinking about it. He should think about it. I wish we could go through all the old podcasts we ever did for every conversation we had where we thought Garrett might get fired on Monday. Yeah. That has to be at least six years of podcasts at this point. Definitely. I think the players are getting sick of them too.

There's some meme out there, Jeff, about him of him of uh well it's just a clip actually of him looking to high five like four guys in a row and i'm just walking right by oh i saw that yeah that's good he had his he had his arms out like he was trying to catch kids from a burning building or something yeah yeah he's never done it before um kyle kyle is really in on this jimmy g thing he's really starting to get focused on a past Niner Super Bowl. And his comment after the Niners game was that Jimmy G just looked great. Yeah. What other that guy looked great guys were there this week for you?

Because it's funny, but my 14 year old, I asked him what Super Bowl would you want to pay? I didn't even give a choice for the AFC. I'm like Patriots. Who is it? San Francisco. I said,

we haven't seen Brady breeze. We haven't seen Brady Rogers. You don't care. Nope. Once Jimmy G, uh, uh, and, uh, the pats. But, uh, what was the question? What other quarterback? What other, no, what other, you look great.

We're there. Cause I have three. I thought Russell Wilson yet again, as he, as he continues to put together his MVP campaign, there's a few MVP campaigns going on right now. Right. But they're down 20-6. The Browns are in a situation, especially with Chubb, who I think is relatively unstoppable,

especially when they have a lead. You just think, just ride that, dude. Once you're up 20-6 early in the second quarter, midway through the second quarter, it just feels like he should have 32 carries. Right. No.

No. That's not what happened, actually. There was a lot of Baker scrambling, a lot of throwing into traffic. They got a pump blocked, bad pick. All of a sudden, Russell Wilson's just climbing back. He loses his tight end pretty early in the game. Disley, who you have on your fantasy team, who I thought had really emerged

as kind of his safety blanket guy in a lot of ways. He goes out, doesn't matter. Guy Brown has two touchdowns. This Metcalf always seems to make a play or two and Lockett has gone up a level. Carson was really good, and all of a sudden they're pulling this Browns game out. Well, I mean, yeah.

I mean, you're talking all offense, and those guys are good, but, you know, yeah, you were right when you said Baker. Why is he taking over the game there? And then after the, did you see his postgame interview, like blaming the referees? It's like, dude, you'd force Ford. They forced four turnovers. You do three interceptions.

You lead the league with 11 interceptions. Shut the hell up already. Who wants to hear it? You were up 20 to six at home. Stop blaming the refs. You had a block on all these interceptions. Well, and then touchdown where, or a non-touchdown where they had like the fourth and one situation. Oh my God. Oh, Freddie. Landry. it seemed like he was in. He fumbled. Guy gets it in the end zone,

touchdown, but no, because you can't advance a fumble. Freddie, it takes five minutes for him to figure out what's going on. I think he even used the timeout. And then after it's explained, he decides he's going to challenge it anyway. So they have that and then they're like no no we're gonna stick with our call it's not a touchdown and then they end up running nick chubb into 11 people for the fourth down i'll tell you what with this freddie kitchens he's terrible well i don't even think he's a real coach i honestly don't i don't who's the coach i think it's an experiment i think the nfl is playing games they've done a nice job keeping this secret no i don't think a real guy. I think he drives a forklift or something. And they put him in there and they're like, hey, he's an actor? you'll run we'll give you a nice defense let's see what you could do and um you know just you know wear the hat and wear the big uh wear the big you know you know windbreaker and let's see if we could pass you off as a coach and it's all falling apart i don't believe it yeah i've seen

through it because i'm not sure as a coach yeah another you look great for me um carolina in general but i also like their defense. It's an opportunistic defense. Yeah. That when you throw in McCaffrey, they have a couple of receivers who can make plays. Samuel had two touchdowns today. Yeah. And I'm sure there's, who knows when Cam comes back

and they're going to do the whole, should Cam get his job back? But if he's healthy, I think he's going to get his job back. But I think that team's good. I had them, I think I had them eighth going into this weekend. And I didn't bet on the London game because I just have decided I've, I just give up on the London game after last week, bears Raiders. I'm done. I'm done with all events in London. I'm not wagering them, but I think that Carolina team's good though.

Especially with the Buccaneers. and i know you like them going in the season everything you talked about our good bad team yeah i think that's perfect for a good bad team tampa bay isn't it because they'll still pull two more upsets and then they'll lose like four games that they should win somewhere in there right but they make young quarterbacks look great they really do yeah they did uh Kyle Allen, they may look great. They made Daniel Jones. He might have been benched again. Daniel Jones. Right, I know.

But who else? Did they play? I can't even. I had them written down. Just wait until they have Kyler Murray. If they get to play him this year, he's going to throw for 700 yards. Yeah, it's bizarre.

It's bizarre. Hold on. Let me just make sure I have all these. They played. All right, Jimmy G, 31-17. Yeah, Jimmy G looked good against them. Giants. Well, all right.

They gave up 40 to the Rams. That doesn't count. Oh, even Teddy Two Gloves had 31 against them. You know? Well, they gave up 500. These are all young quarterbacks. If you're thinking of starting your third string, testing them out, make sure you get Tampa Bay on your schedule. Who out of Tampa and Tennessee,

who calls who about the Marietta for Winston trade? Straight up. Who makes the call and who thinks about it longer? Interesting. I don't know. I think I like Winston more, although I'll say this. When a guy has four interceptions, I get really excited. I get really excited for that fifth pick.

It's more excited than if Steph has 47 points, is about to shoot a three with less than 30 seconds left, or if Mike Trout had four home runs. Maybe it's a satanic part of me, but I love the five picks. Do you get excited for it? Well, what's, what's crazy with him is that the anti degree of difficulty, cause he has two awesome receivers. You could argue he has two of the best 10 receivers. Yeah. And, and somehow can still can't throw it to them. Although Evans did screw him over one time today. He had a long, he may or may not be on my fantasy team.

So I may or may not have taken this personally, but it was like a 50 yard bomb. And Evans kind of didn't do the jump up and grab a thing. And then Michael Irvin kind of killed him. Yeah. I liked having Michael Irvin do the game. Yeah, he was fun. He was good.

Yeah. Some of these guys don't lay it out for the long ones, but I think you also have Godwin on your team and he's probably going to be the number one receiver if he stays in uh healthy like fantasy wise so another uh another you look great is the kyler murray thing is i know granted he's going against atlanta's defense and anybody could put 35 points up against atlanta but he's doing when you consider he's a rookie quarterback and what what we grew up with with rookie quarterbacks how nervous everyone was to even play them in their first season right first year coach

i don't know i'm just impressed i remember when drew bledsoe his first year and he was the franchise and the patriots we thought they're going to st louis and they ended up staying and then we had drew and he even even it always felt like he was like a baby deer on ice that first year. He went his last five, and we were so excited that he looked competent for five games as a rookie. And then Kyler's running around. But that Atlanta defense, what else has to happen with Dan Quinn? Is it because he can't be the first coach fired?

They're not going to fire him. What's going on? Real quick, though, back to Kylo. I think he distanced himself from the field today for offensive rookie of the year. I really did. I mean, he was favored going in. Daniel Jones. I'm sorry.

I know everybody was giving him a pass like, oh, it's only gravy what he does against the Patriots. Like now, you know what? If you're going to feast on the bad teams like Tampa Bay, you got to take your lumps with the Patriots. You didn't look that good. He's further back. G Minshew, they gave out 30,000 mustaches in the 110 degree heat.

Everyone looked like an idiot. And then this guy, you know, they couldn't really score a touchdown. So that was bad. So I think it's Kyler's to win right now. G was bad. Yeah. G had that inside the tan. He had the tight end open on third and goal and

missed him and he missed some throws. We love Jacksonville, didn't we? We love them today. We did. I got to say, though, how many times now with the Saints defense before we just realized that it's a good defense? They're so good. I think I'm there. It's bend, don't break.

The guy's playing all over the place. They don't give up big plays the pope tweeted about the saints so that helped and uh yeah it's really like true breeze could tell you all right you know what take a month off maybe if you need six weeks that's fine too we're gonna be there in january any other uh things that that really super duper impressed i mean they have two touchdowns against the cowboys and Jaguars and two wins, two offensive touchdowns. Well, I guess we should talk Houston KC because I think Mahomes, you know, they're no longer a lock to be in that AFC championship game, right?

And it has to do with that defense and the offensive line that can't protect them mostly. I mean, we saw him throw that touchdown pass to Hill. Like, oh my God, Tyreek Hill is back. This is going to be a mess. They're going to score in the 50s every game, no problem. But then you're looking like, oh, boy. Well, I guess that could have been intercepted.

And then he threw another interception. And they're not really running the ball. And they're giving up a lot of rushing yards. Do you put Houston over KC right now with the win? Back-to-back losses at home for KC. Yeah, not good. Defense gave up 35 first downs. That's a problem. I think, so it's probably stupid for us to say who's the MVP because there's 10 games left. But we can name, though, who's been the most fun player in the league through six games, right?

Can you say Russell Wilson, you think? I think it's been Watson. Oh, okay. I think Watson's been the most fun player in the league through six games right you say russell wilson you think i think it's been watson oh okay i think watson's been you think like the week one game the chargers game was really fun he was fun last week against atlanta and then the chiefs it's either him you're right it's probably russell wilson they're in the finals but uh watson was really fun today and I loved the going for it on fourth and three I mean it was the right move it would have been like 45 yard field goal or something they're up one

how many were they up? They're up seven? It was 31-24 yeah they're up seven so they could have gone for a field goal to ice the game but if they miss it now they're giving the Chiefs the ball back on the 40. Great play. Chiefs send the house, and really nice play by Watson.

He's really good. He's definitely good. How about Mahomes 116 yards in the first drive? I don't think we'll see that again. Yeah, that was weird. That was like an unofficial record. People think that might have been a record. Yeah.

I was like, all right, how is this team going to lose? This is nuts. I watched the entire primetime show today as I was watching the Yankees-Astros game, which is still going, by the way. I don't know how you watch everything you watch. You're asking me, did you see Succession? I'm like, no, there's a baseball game on. I'm losing money on the Chargers.

How are you watching Succession right now? Can't miss Succession. Couldn't talk about it later. All right, Berman, I'm going to give you two names. You have to money on the Chargers. How are you watching Succession right now? Can't miss Succession. Couldn't talk about it later. All right, Berman, I'm going to give you two names. You have to guess what nickname he did. Okay. You might have sent me one of the clips. No, no. That was a different one. I sent you Min Min Min Shu.

Right. You're sneezing, right. George Kittle. What do you think his nickname was? That's easy. I didn't hear it. Kittles and Bits. No. No? George Ma and Pa Kittle.

What the hell? Yeah. Is that Beverly Hillbillies reference? Unclear. This wasn't quite a nickname, but Ricky Seals Jones caught a pass and he paused and said not seals and croft and ryan clark who was his co-host because tige was out today

ryan clark was good there's no way ryan clark knew who seals and croft was i'm guessing tige is like uh this mono thing sounds good i'm gonna say i have mono my spleen hurts yeah what do you think uh his name for jameson crowder was jameson crowder uh well uh new england clam crowder oh so close what was it manhattan clam crowder oh oh manhattan okay uh manhattan clam crowder yeah you were almost there if you thought about it for three more seconds you would have had it man sorry boomer i let you down there quickly um before we do you guys the lines i the fan hatred scale i was i jotted down some numbers here i want to see if you agreed. The scale of one to 10, how much the fans hate their team

right now? Okay. What do you think Rams fans, how much do they hate the Rams right now? One out of 10. 10 being the highest. Yeah, I know how it works.

Why do sometimes people go reverse and they say one's the highest. I'm not stupid. I'll say seven. I had seven and a half okay how about the eagles well they haven't really lost um now it's got to be lower it's got to be lower but just because the division's kind of messy so i'll say six i i went with 3.0 i think

the eagles fans are confident oh all right i didn't know we were playing like that. I thought these were all on the plus 5 side. No, there's no right answer. The Cowboys. I can only speak for myself. It's got to be an 8. Because of that schedule you read off to me, and I knew

that we needed to be 6-0 or 5-1. And we're not close to that. I had you down as a nine, but eight is fine. It's acceptable. Well, you know, we haven't lost a O and four team in 20 years.

So maybe I'll, maybe I'll jump that up a little bit. How about the Tampa Bay bucks? Well, so I know all those teams, that was the least, uh, the expectations were,

you know, we're putting a solid five for that team, but I the least the expectations were put in check. It's a solid five. For that team. But I think, yeah, five is probably good. All right. These last. I will say when your team loses, when you wake up early for the London game on the West Coast and your team loses, you're extra cranky.

You just are. Even though it's like it was eight hours later. I was so mad at the Cowboys. I kept my streak alive of forgetting the early, early game was on. Oh, you did? And not going over. Yeah, I was sitting there like a dumbass watching Matthew Barry's fantasy show. I watched the beginning of the Fox show.

Then I was like, oh, shit. I saw Jameis was trending. And I'm like, did he do something terrible again? And then I was like, oh, no, he actually did. It just fortunately happened in a football game. He's throwing interceptions. He's not even playing. I'll tell you what,

for those of you who want to save your marriage or whatever, man, woman, whatever you are, just another hint. I think I'm writing about this in my book. Like I suggest like betting on the first five innings of a baseball game if you like to bet on baseball, just so that you could go to dinner later in the day or something like that. Saturday night before a London game, make sure you're turned to the channel, NFL Network,

and the volume is very low so that you're one click away and you can watch and not wake everyone else up around you. It's a great tip, guys. Fan hatred scale. Do you think Atlanta is a 10? Yeah, I think they are. I think they're the only 10 right now, right? I think their fan base is

just done. Everything from the Super Bowl on, just abject hatred of the team, the situation, the missed opportunity, the window is now closed. Now you have to start thinking, by the time this flips around, is Matt Ryan

going to be too old? All that stuff. Solid 10. I guess unless you're I mean so you're not including like the Dolphins and Bengals yeah there's at this point it's almost like they're tanking okay and by the way thank you to what's his name Flores for going for two and sparing us the overtime oh I had that I was gonna ask you if you thought they tanked that uh I don't know I was just. I looked at it from that perspective. He's saving everybody from watching any more of this terrible game.

I think they sabotaged themselves. He dropped the pass, right? Did you see the play they ran? It was like a running back screen, but there were no blockers. There were the three guys right there. He was going to get tackled. They were like, let's run the play where Kenyon Drake just gets immediately

tackled by three guys. I guess. On two. Ready? Break. Right. Browns? Bill Callahan's on the field

as a coach, I think. I have the Browns as an eight out of ten on the fan hatred scale because I don't think they can go higher than eight because they already have so much self-hatred

for the last 20 years. Eight is like the max. And then the only one they had was the Chargers, but they don't have any fans. So I don't know what to do. We look for a fan to fill out this fan hatred survey.

If they had fans, I think they're at eight. What a messy team. You know, I guess this Derwin James was better than everyone thought. I mean, everyone thought he was good, but Well, he can't block. He can't put left tackle. No. Let's take a break and then we'll do guest lines.

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Before we get to guess the lines, I wanted to say something. I miss onside kicks. Yeah. Nobody can make them anymore. Whatever they did with these rules, I guess to make it safer. But now it's like, you know, the Cowboys don't get the two point. I would say, well, at least they have a chance to get the onside kick. It's like, they're not going to get this.

Right. They have a better chance of getting hit by lightning. It's like a one in a hundred chance now. So they can't stack the side. They used to be able to put 10 on one side and then the kicker, and then it was just a free for all. Can't do that. It's got to be five, five and the kicker, right? Did we get to vote on this? No, we didn't. Because if this had been held to an electorate vote, I would have voted no. I like onside kicks. Well, here's what I'll say about this. Do you remember when you were writing at Jimmy Kimmel Live? Yeah. And our buddy Daniel went crazy with the budget and we had a free dinner every night.

Yeah. Catered by Wolfgang Puck. It was Wolfgang Puck. Right. I was about to say that as a joke, but it was Wolfgang Puck. It really was. And we had a studio where we would all line up for dinner because we taped late then we taped like 905 and uh and then the wolfgang puck went away and it was less and less and we complained and doug deluca friend of ours who was lying you know he's running he's the bean counter for us he's like hey you know what someday you're gonna get pizza and then someday you're gonna get nothing well someday we got pizza and then weeks after we got nothing. It was cut out of the budget. That's what we're going to get with the onside kick. We should maybe just be happy that five guys are allowed to line up because it's going to go away. They're going to try like a fourth and 16 play and that's going to be your onside kick. I really think it's moving towards that.

I think you're right. And you left out the Wolfgang Puck story. The funniest part of it was they changed chefs from Wolfgang Puck to somebody who wasn't as good. And our friend Tony was furious about it. He was like in Attica, Attica, Attica, like really ready to revolt. He was so mad. And within two months, it was like, you're on your own. Go get a slice of pizza. We were making jokes like, this is Wolfgang Schmuck. What are we doing here? Tony was so mad. This is terrible.

I wouldn't feed this to my dogs. Oh, man. Guess what? Two months later, it was nothing. It's like, who wants to go down and get a slice? Right. That we'll pay for. Okay, guess the lines.

Week seven. There's some good fantasy implications in the bye weeks this week. Like the Bucs aren't a bye. There's a couple of ones that have a lot of fantasy guys. And I know this because many of them are on my team. Bucs, Browns, Steelers, Panthers, right?

Yeah, Panthers, McCaffrey. Chiefs are at Denver on Thursday night. By the way, before we start, and you talk about this all the time, and I don't know why the hell we're not doing this. Underdogs are 9-3. Are you serious? Yep. Okay.

Go on. Chiefs at Broncos. You're Broncos. Did you ever, did you officially give up on the Broncos? No, I'm back. Yeah, you're back. Best 2-4 team of all time. They're your fantasy defense, their whole thing. your Broncos. Did you ever, did you officially give up on the Broncos? Are you still like, yeah, you're back. Best two and four team of all time.

They're your fantasy defense, their whole thing. What a week to catch the chiefs. You got my homes hobbling around. They're coming off two losses. They're banged up. And, uh,

I don't know. It's just a nice spot. I have the chiefs favored by three and a half. You get this. I had this as well. Um, it started at four and a half Chiefs favored by three and a half. You get this. I had this as well. It started at four and a half. It went to three and a half. So we tie here.

Sunday's marquee game. There's some good games this week. Let me just say this. Have you done the Bradley Chubb Ewing theory thing here? Because Denver is all of a sudden pressuring the quarterback. This is Vic Fangio's defense. This is all we ever heard about. All right, fine. It was against Mariota.

And whoever, who was it last week that they beat? Wasn't it the Chargers? Yeah, it was the Chargers. Yeah. It was one of the two late afternoon games. So I don't think he qualifies. Bryce Harper doesn't? Bradley Chubb does not qualify.

All right. It's just very weird. Number one or number two guy on their defense. Yeah, but maybe Fanny Pack Fangio. It takes them a couple weeks for the guys to figure it out. Well, this is a fun Thursday night game. They've actually done a nice job with Thursday night schedule. This will be good.

I'll be there live this week. Oh. You're going to be in Denver. Pre-game show, I'll be in Denver, yeah. Testing out the thin air. Let's see if it's legit or not. I think it's legit. It is?

I don't think it's a myth. All right, good. I'll stay home. Sunday marquee, there were five possibilities, and this is just the one I was the most excited about. Indianapolis at home against the Houston Texans. AFC South on the line. The Colts, one of the few things I was right about this season.

It could be ending on Sunday. Feeling like I was right about them. I have Colts by three. You killed me here. I went the wrong way. I got very excited about Houston. I said Houston by two. It's Colts by two.

So you're closer. I think that gets the three. Yeah. Well, they have the week off. You think let down for Houston? I'm excited that Houston emerged as the only AFC South team that can win two games in a row,

but maybe that goes away. This is a good one. We'll learn a lot about both of these teams in this game, because this is a playoff game. They haven't played this year, so they're playing this week, and then they're playing this week and then they're playing in week 11. So two times

in the next five weeks. I'm excited for this one. I'd be very surprised if anyone other than these two competing for the division come. I'm a little down on Jacksonville now. Probably because they cost me money, but I trust these two quarterbacks the most. That was tough. We had

Jacksonville on million-dollar picks. It was Jacksonville by one and a half, and then the line was at three by game time. That always makes me nervous. It's like, oh, great. The public's betting Jacksonville. That always works out great. Perfect, perfect letdown game for New Orleans. Didn't need it, and they won anyway. My whole reason for

picking Jacksonville was I didn't think the Saints were going to be able to score. And they ended up with 13 points. So that wasn't wrong. It's just Jacksonville couldn't do anything. Yeah, that's what I said. Same thing against the Cowboys. 2-0.

Got four watchables. First one is a fun one. Might not be as fun after tomorrow night. But for now, it's fun in my head. Because the 2-1-1 Lions are home. Taking on Kirk, you'd like that, Cousins. And the Minnesota Vikings rejuvenated. Stephon Diggs rejuvenated your fantasy team this week.

Well, he's the man. I mean, that has to happen. That's for that offense to click. Like, it's nice to see Thielen running around making great catches, but when those two connect, that's how you know the Vikings are back, right? Well, and more importantly, Cousins actually was able to connect the pass. He was open. Diggs was wide open twice, and he actually caught him in stride twice.

He really was. They're a mess in the secondary. Darby, Maddox out for Philly. Yeah. In trouble. I have the Lions favored by two against Minnesota. Yeah, we both called this wrong. I said one and a half, and it's actually Minnesota favored by one.

You win that one. Minnesota favored by one. So that's one of those if Detroit sucks tomorrow, that could be Minnesota by three pretty quickly. Next one. Speaking of a team that plays tomorrow, Green Bay. They're home.

I'm calling this right now. Don't let me throw this into a tease. Although I retired from gambling today. Packers at home against the Raiders. The Raiders are dying, dying to cost people more money. They're like, please put the Packers in a tease so we could screw you over.

Who else can we cost money? I have the Packers by seven and it is, it is in the teaser basket. We're going to... No, no, get it out of the basket. Take it out now. We're going to share this at seven. It's six and a half.

Maybe we... We have to see tomorrow. I almost rather the Packers lose tomorrow to like this on a teaser, right? Maybe we should have a money underdog parlay basket. Yeah. I just said dogs were nine and three against the spread. I just have very low self-esteem with gambling right now. The Bears Raiders thing, I'll never recover from.

I'll never get over the 97-yard drive to knock my tees out. Unbelievable. 97 yards and like three yards at a clip, right? The fake punt. I want to do a documentary about that game and it's just all about me. Just one camera on me, like the guy in Fire Festival. What was that guy's name?

I don't know. Yeah. The guy who Kimmel hung out with for a half hour that night? That guy? I just want to do that. I want to have the same dumb look on my face as I talk about the 97-year drive. Yeah. I don't know if we should say the guy Kimmel hung out with

because it makes people think things. What is it? At the wheelhouse party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said hi to him. Next one. This is yet another. Is Trubisky back?

What's his deal? He'll be back next week, right? I think so. This is another tough one for Trubisky back? What's his deal? He'll be back next week, right? I think so. This is another tough one for Trubisky because it's Bears at home against the New Orleans Saints who have been taking out quarterbacks left and right. And now our friend Mitch is in this. I have Bears minus one and a half. I had three. Vegas has a three and a half.

Again, another game for the Bears doesn't need. I don't get that. What do they do? Do they step up? Now, Breeze isn't back, right? When is he supposed to be back? No. But why do they think the Bears should be favored by three and a half?

I don't get it. I don't know. Coming off a bye, New Orleans on the road again. That's the only thing I can think here. Can I just say something as Tom Brady's staunchest defender? Not that he needs defenders because he's won six Super Bowl ranks and he's the best quarterback of all time.

If Tom Brady got hurt and Teddy Bridgewater came in and won four straight games, everybody would be total dicks about it. Oh, everyone who's not a Patriots fan. Every non-Patriots fan would be like, oh, everyone who's not a Patriots fan. Yeah. Every non-Patriots fan. Oh, I guess it's all Belichick all along.

Oh, Brady. Maybe he was a system guy. Well, who's the jackass that went 10-6 with you guys? Matt Castle? He went... Yeah, he went... He played the forward pass

with the Cowboys? 10-5. What was he? We didn't make the playoffs. The biggest game he had that year, he sucked. Nobody seems to remember that part. But what was he? 10-5?

What was it? Yeah, we went 11-5 that year. Easy schedule. We didn't even make the playoffs. That's how you know the Patriots cheat. When Matt Castle goes 10-5 or 11-5. I prefer to look at it as we were five games worse than the year before. I see.

We were minus five from the previous year, which is a pretty big drop-off. What are you saying? If Teddy Bridgewater... They should be more talking about Breeze. People should be shitting on Breeze because they'd be doing it with Brady. Brady, maybe you should retire. Teddy Bridgewater comes in. He's 4-0.

Obviously, they don't need him. I don't want to praise Tom Brady here, but I'm not even in the least worried about it. And by the way, 100-1 odds that he scores two touchdowns. We should have been on that. How is our friend Daniel not on that? Brady runs for two touchdowns. He did it last week.

You've heard me talk many, many times about how much I love the Brady QB sneak. It is my favorite play in sports. It's unstoppable. It's the only sure thing I have in my life. It's the best. Every time it works. I can remember the two times in the last 20 years it got stopped and it was shocking.

And then sometimes you don't try it on fourth and one. It's like, where was that? Do that play. Do that. Why not? We should look at that because that's going to happen every week. But it was 50 to one that he scores the first touchdown and 100 to one that he scores two. I don't think he scored two since middle school.

That was the first time he ran for two. But it's a fun one. Hench and I, the entire game, we're just exchanging Sonny Michelle texts. For or against? We just don't get it. We just don't exchanging Sonny Michelle texts. For or against? We just don't get it. We just don't get the Sonny Michelle. It's been explained there's a really good Reddit thread about how when he's in the game, the reason

they never throw it to him and they just run the ball straight is because they're trying to Jedi mind trick the other team. It's like, well, they're definitely running. He's in, but then that sets up the play action. So he's like the sacrificial lamb for the play action, basically. Right. It all sounds great, except he runs into the first hacker every time.

So other than that. Well, that's his mind trick. Seahawks are home against Lamar and the Ravens. This is the best game. I know you didn't rank these. You just lumped these together, but this is the best one. So I thought about having this as the marquee game. You think this should have been the marquee game? Oh, this is fun.

You're not going to take your eyes off these quarterbacks, right? You know, I didn't put it in because I think the Ravens are the good-bad team. I thought Dallas was the good-bad team, but you're just bad. You're not even... There's no good. You don't deserve the word good. Thank you. Good. The Ravens are the good-bad team. Against bad teams, they look great. They look great good. Thank you. Good. The Ravens are the good-bad team. Against bad teams, they look great.

They look great today. Lamar was awesome. Against the Seahawks. I mean, he had 111 rushing yards in the first half. In the first half. It was crazy. The Bengals returned the kick, and they didn't have a chance to win this game. They returned the opening kick.

I have the Seahawks favored by four. I had four also. It's three and a half. I know I'm going to go back on my word here. I just want to watch this one. It's going to be fun. Four and two against five and one. When are the Niners and when are we getting Niners Seahawks?

I'm genuinely excited for that one. It's coming up. When is that? is that soon hold on I'm looking at it I'm on it alright at Niners that's in four weeks and then

oh they end the season against each other that's fantastic oh right that's right. Might not mean anything. Maybe it will. That's the best division by far. Yeah. The Rams are now mediocre.

You have Seattle and San Francisco at the top, and you have the offensive rookie of the year who's going to steal a couple of games in fourth place. As we're taping this, right now it is 9.26 Pacific time. The Yankee game is still going on. Happ is in right now. It gets the Astros. What's the score.

I can't even look. It's still tied. Um, I'll two days on base though. But, um, it's even when the Red Sox aren't in the playoffs, I feel like I have a team.

Cause it's like, yeah, whoever's playing the Yankees. Like I genuinely care about the Yankee opponent and want them to do well and succeed. So it's like I get to adopt this team for the week. I said yesterday, I said, listen, I know everyone's busy with kids' sports

and planning on holiday stuff, but we've forgotten what's most important, that we need to focus our attention on rooting hard against the Yankees because we don't want them around for another couple of weeks, right? Well, they're fans. Yeah. what's most important that we need to focus our attention on rooting hard against the Yankees. Cause this is, we don't want them around for another couple of weeks. Right. Well,

their fans. Yeah. I mean, you know, look, the, the Boston fans are much better, but man,

when the Yankee fans have their chest puffed out, what's worse. What's honestly, what's worse. You, you hate both sides. Who's worse. Who's worse when they're more fired up about their team,

Boston fans or Yankee fans? Boston. Really? Over Yankee fans? I don't know. Honestly, I really, this is such a dumb question. I can't. It depends on the day.

It really does. Yankee fans. I was at a party last night and a Yankee fan looked me in the eye and said that he thought Gleyber Torres could cure cancer if he wanted to. Really? Yeah. He was like, right now, he's just going to settle for being the best shortstop of all time.

But at some point, he's going to look at cancer and he's going to cure it. Yeah. That's happened. I'm sorry. Barely watchable. You know you align yourself with some lunatics. You mentioned one of them already on this show. Which one?

Hench? Hench is one. There's just so many. Really, it's like asking, okay, what smells worse? you mentioned one of them already on this show which one and i just thought of hanch's one there's just so many and really it's like asking what okay what smells worse horse vomit or rabbit shit like i don't know they're both bad get them both away from me uh the barely watchables we have three rams at atlanta man this this seemed like such a fun game two months ago. There's no way you could bet either of these teams. No. It's impossible. I will say, this is the perfect elixir for the struggling Rams offense.

The abominable Atlanta defense. I have the Rams favored by two and a half in this one. That's what I had. Wow, we're on with all these. It's three and a half. By the way, someone sent you, and you got excited because it was a long email. Very, very long. Eight paragraphs saying that I do the scoring wrong.

I'm guess the lines that ties shouldn't be worth a point each. They should be worth a half of each. And I went over it as a, what does it matter? If you won six games and I won four games and we tied six, you're still going to win. I don't see how it makes a difference. I need that explained to me. Listen, anytime I get an email about you cheating, I'm going to forward it to you because I know it annoys you. I know it's going to annoy you. That's all I could think about for the next hour. And this one particularly made no sense. I'm not a cheater. Danny Dimes is home against Kyler Murray in that I you could argue this could have been in the

watchables but I put in the barely right I have Giants by three and I think this is a wonderful game you get this I said three and a half I gave it the other edge I thought West coming east might give it but you're right I think Murray's better so they they knocked it down to three it's exactly three the thing with Murray and I think we have to watch out for this within the next two years at least, very dangerous garbage time spread buster QB, right? Down, the card's getting 13 and a half, and they're down 20, and he's scrambling around with a minute left against six defensive backs.

He's just one of those guys. Careful. Definitely. I don't know. Boy, they could be 3-3-1 if they win this. They're right there. And he doesn't have anything. No Christian Kirk this week.

David Johnson was banged up, almost didn't play. Yeah. The other barely watchables, and it's a shame because one of the teams is undefeated, is 49ers at Washington. Washington can never be higher than barely watchable on this list. No sense of a trap here at all? Maybe. West coming east, houses team.

I'm not going to let you put in a teaser. Well, I retired from gambling, so you don't have to worry about it. That's right. I had the 49ers by nine and a half. Probably too low. Wow. Right on. I said eight. I thought that was high. Now it's nine and a half exactly. Hmm.

That goes up, right? That'll go up to like 11. I guess. I don't know what to make of that Washington game. I guess they almost blew it. That was just stupid. Let's take one more break before we get to the poopfecta. Hey, let's face it. Guys are terrible at taking care of their health.

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First one is the bills at home against the dolphins. Do you see any scenario where the dolphins aren't in the poop factor the rest of the way? Cause I know they have to be there. I forgot. I forgot the chair. Oh, I guess they scored a touchdown this week. I think they were outscored 80-0 in the second half in games this year. They scored. I have Buffalo by 12 against the Dolphins.

Okay, so I said 13-1⁄2. It's 16-1⁄2. Oh, man. Now, this can't – was Jim Kelly ever favored by 16 and a half over a team? Yeah. He has been. All right, but not since then, for sure. For sure not since then.

So the Bills are going to be five and one after next week. Yeah. That's going to be the second best record in the AFC, just in case you're wondering. Wow. Crazy. And they played Miami again after this, too. Jags are at Cincinnati. Not a lot of mention.

Now the Yankees just got out of the 10th. God damn it. I feel bad because I may have. We had Washington. You proposed two to me because you put that poll up there, right? No, I wanted to. I can't bet. I wasn't going to bet on the Yankees.

When have I ever bet on the Yankees? You proposed Washington Yankees World Series bet. I don't even know what the odds were. What were they? The only reason I had that yesterday when I texted you in the morning was I didn't think Granke was going to come through. I don't

trust him as a playoff guy. I thought the Yankees had a chance to steal game one. I think it was plus 150 for Washington, Houston. And then it was Washington Yankees were plus 150. Washington, Houston was basically plus 120. So we did that one. No, Washington Yankees had to be more, right? Like more than plus 150.

Was it? Maybe it was plus 220. The Yankees were minus. They were plus 150 themselves. So it was plus 220 then. Yeah. You're right. Yeah, I know. I just hope I didn't talk you out of Yankees.

No, I could be here. Name any time in your life I bet on the Yankees. No, we can't do it. Jags at Bengals. Maybe this is the trap game. Jags. I have Jags at Bengals. Maybe this is the trap game. Jags. I have Jags minus three. You're going to get it.

It was three and a half. It went to three. I went four and a half. That was dumb of me. But how many Cincinnati letdowns? First of all, Joe Mixon can't even run the ball. What are we watching for with that team anymore? Bengals quietly 0-6. What's weird is they should have beaten the Seahawks the first week. Yeah. Bengals quietly 0-6. What's weird is they

should have beaten the Seahawks the first week. Probably the hottest team in football right now. We always say that there's that week one game that we look back and we're like, ah, that was weird. I think that was the game this year, right? That was it. They took it right to the

Seahawks for the entire game. I guess Titans 43, Browns 13 is pretty weird in retrospect. That was another week one game. Oh, wow. Yeah, I forgot about that. What else? Chargers 30, Colts 24 in overtime.

Semi-weird. The 49ers 31 bucks 17 that makes a lot more sense now right and then Raiders 24 Broncos 16

felt like an upset back in the day but not really anymore um yeah what did the um wait there was a team

I wanted to ask about what did uh which one the Bengals Chicago lost to Green Bay yeah alright that was fun yeah the Bengals

the final score of that one was 21-20 Seahawks. Yep. And the synopsis says, Seahawks hold off Dalton Bengals for 21-20 wins. I had them in a gigantic money line parlay with Seahawks. I got so lucky. I think they had like 147 yards of offense or something. I was so impressed. I picked the Bengals the next week.

I think I even bet on them. And the Niners completely eviscerated them. They're crushed every week after. Last one. Chargers are at Tennessee. Probable new quarterback for this one. Which team?

I think we're going to get Tannehill for this would be my guess. I have the Chargers by three in Tennessee. Oh, wow. I have the Chargers by three in Tennessee. Oh, wow. All right, I get this. You should see my pad here. I have 17 scribbles before I ended up with Pickham,

and it's Tennessee minus one. Yeah. I realized I made that guess before the Chargers got killed today. You want to change it? No, I'll take the loss. Tennessee favored against anybody who doesn't suck is probably aggressive. All right, let's count these up the way I do it.

The right way to do it. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Including ties, it's 8-8. Oh, great. I'm going to hit these. You don't want to include ties. It's 4. I'm hitting these last two exactly.

4-0, 4-0, and 4 ties. Cowboys home with the Clapper against the Philadelphia Eagles I think Dallas will be favored by two and a half points you nailed it here not nailed it but it opened at two and a half it went down to two after the Sunday night game

for some reason I went three so you're closer it's two okay I'm going to nail this I got to get this one two after the Sunday night game for some reason. I went three. You're closer. It's two. I'm going to nail this next one. I'm going to get this one. I'm three points off. I'll tell you that much. You're going to probably win the week. Monday night. The Patriots of New England

going against the New York Jets. I have the Pats by eight and a half. Wow. Oh, man. Shit. I had 13. And it's 10. Oh, I get it.

You get it. You won the week, Simmons. And you go ahead for the year. Three to two with two ties. Kyle, is it all right to worry about that game? No, no. Don't do it to yourself. We don't have to worry about this one.

You sure? What did you say stay away i'll tell you one thing about that jets team there's just a lot of guys all over the place who were drafted in the first round or were former first rounders for another team or whatever but they do have a lot of dudes guess who's good jamal adams he's good and mosley's banged up but he comes back, that's a fun defense to watch. Worries me a little bit. Oh, it does not worry you. Worries me a little

bit. They don't lose to this team anymore. That was like three, four years ago. That was a fun thing. Are you aware of this whole groundswell of Pats fans out there who want them to bring Antonio Brown back? I can only assume. Why?

Why? Because you don't have a receiver with eight touchdowns? What's the big deal? The theory, as the theory goes, they're paying him anyway. Yeah. There's been no criminal anything. Yeah. And we need him.

They are paying him? They're paying him full? It looks like that, yeah. He had a guaranteed bonus. They can't get out of it. You want him back. When you say groundswell, you mean you want him back and you're trying to blame others for this. There's no groundswell

in the Simmons house. No? Yeah. This is not a groundswell over here. Kyle wants him back. If they took him back, Kyle, the biggest protest, he would shrug his shoulders. That's all he would do. I'll say this. Kyle's a forgiving man yeah second chances in kyle's world people make mistakes and they deserve second third fourth 17 chances in kyle's world they make a lot of mistakes yeah kyle's doing great on him back what the hell do you need him for Kyle's doing great he's out of credit card debt

things are great for him right now he is? yeah he's doing great nice he hasn't been betting teasers with us that's for sure there's no way to get out it's time for parent corner

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So I think it's similar to, I think you're like me in that professional wrestling. We loved it. Now, we've come back around to love it again. But when we were growing up, we loved it when it was Piper, when it was Hogan, when it was Snooker, a little before maybe Bob Backlund. Then Ricky Steamboat a little bit. And then everybody started to love it. Speaking of groundswell. And I backed off a little that, that bummed me out a little bit, right? Were you the same way? Yeah. Like, like a band when they record in a garage and you're hearing them and then they, they're on top 40 radio and you're like, ah, that's enough. Yeah. So that's what happened with the wrestling well so that's kind of what it's happened with my son my

middle son my older son loved wrestling went at it hard for a few years then my middle son jack loved it went at it hard still going tailing off a little bit but liking it and then the youngest son really is into it now just over the last few months he got an undertaker costume for halloween it doesn't fit at all we're like constantly cutting things down to the right size the wig and the shoes and and the hat and everything else and now the middle son who does not like my younger son at all is now done with wrestling he's like screw it i don't want to even compete and wrestling's dumb because uh my little brother likes it okay the problem is we have and i think you have you you might be the only one who has more of these these wrestling figures yeah i think we have like 200 you might have like uh like 1200 i don't know

but um you know and there's no shortage of rings there's ladders there's all kinds of things and so you could have matches i used to use star wars figures when I was a kid, but they now have a wrestler for everyone. Now we have like 200 of these. My little one's playing with them. The middle one's like, no, no, no, those are mine. These are off limits. And so the little one comes crying into my bed. I'm trying to watch the London game. It's 630 in the morning, for God's sakes. Give me some room. And he comes crying, says his older brother says they're off limits. And I was like, no, that's ridiculous. Those are his brothers. They're not even his. And my wife is like, you know what? Just buy new ones. I was like, I'm not going to buy new ones.

There's 200 of these. How much do they cost? Between $15 and $50, right? I'm not doing it. I'm getting pressured into buying the new ones. I'm not doing it. I'm getting pressured into buying the new ones. I'm not buying them. I'm not looking for anyone to send them to me. I just need some advice. I'm crazy not to buy new ones, right? You don't need 500 of these things laying around. First of all, I was at a wrestling event with your son

nine days ago, the middle one, and he brought a giant championship belt and was holding it over his head and screaming for two hours. So now he's out of wrestling? Well, he's out of it because he doesn't want to make the little one look cool. So if the little one likes something, he wants it to be deemed babyish, right? So he's got to kind of walk away from it.

I know he's at a weird spot here. He really is. So he sounds a little hypocritical. Sure. Second, I thought the best thing about having a third son was you just got to take all the shit you bought for the other two and just give it to the third kid that would seem like it should be a perk for me yeah it's like it's almost like half half the cost of a real son because you they just have the old shit from the other sons yes all right so now i

need your wife to call my wife or text her and say, you're, you're acting foolish here. Keep the wrestlers. Don't buy any more. That's all. It sounds like this is a nice place for Jack, your middle son to prove and show that he can be a bigger man. Really? He doesn't have that in him. You can't jet out mind trick and be like, Jack, you could, you could be the bigger man here. Give him your figures. No, no. He's not ready to have that conversation. He wants to quit himself and not let anyone have his figures.

What if you bought the figures from Jack and then replaced that asset with another asset? Then you're not buying more figures. Well, that would have been a nice plan if I didn't have the Cowboys on a teaser and then the Chargers on a teaser and whoever else. How are we so bad at gambling every year? Georgia yesterday, Saturday. My parent corner,

my son was on my podcast the other day because Nick Kroll was here. I loved it. And it was the first time I'd ever seen him nervous. Oh God, the Yankees just got a hit. Oh no. Now it's second and first, two outs. Top of the 11th. God, it's throwing me off.

So it was the first time I'd really ever seen him nervous, which was just shocking. The good news is, I think we filmed that on a Wednesday. He recovered in time. It was Yom Kippur. Went to a friend's house that night who has one of our friends, me and my wife's, who also has two daughters who the younger daughter and Ben are in the same class. And a bunch of her friends are there. They're just a bunch of girls. So Ben was in his glory

because he just had all of these sixth grade girls that he could like do his thing with. So my wife decides she wants to leave and Ben is like, I'm staying. So he stays. Somebody else can give him a ride home. So he's staying now. There's two reasons he wants to stay. One is he's got all these sixth grade girls.

The other one is the Dodger game is on the clinton the clinton kershaw disaster ben decides to troll all the dodger fans in the living room and is telling people that kershaw is gonna choke doing this whole thing and then he did he's like see i told you's trash. He's doing like the cocky 11-year-old, barely know anything about sports thing. And it's actually like pouring gasoline into the fire with these poor Dodger fans who were just, you know, enjoying the game after Yom Kippur. And then all hell is broken loose.

I know nothing about this. I went to a party last night that had multiple dads who were at the thing. And all of them separately brought it up to me how my son was like, you should have seen your son trolling everyone at this Yom Kippur thing about the Dodgers. So now I have to talk with him about how that's not cool to troll people as they're going through just one of the most horrible sports experience of their life. Yeah.

And as a Red Sox fan and a Patriots fan, how are you going to do it? You should pay someone else. Yeah. You can't do that. It's a good point. I just, I might have to get a,

like a Rams fan to do it or talk to him about it. But, but yeah, he's, he's doing the, he was doing the cackling thing. Oh no. It's like,

Oh my God, Kershaw does this all the time. It was just pouring gasoline. It's like, oh, my God. Kershaw does this all the time. It's just pouring gasoline. Sounded horrible. I was mortified. So anyway, that's that's the pair corner for this week. So when are you going to Denver?

I'm going to Denver. Yeah. Thursday night football. I'm on the pregame show. I will be in Denver giving my pick live. And yeah, that's going to be fun and lock it in.

I'm the king again. Simmons, I get another free futures bet. Four thirty to five thirty and yeah, that's going to be fun and lock it in. I'm the king again, Simmons. I got another free futures bet 4.30 to 5.30 Eastern on FS1 and that's that. And Clay Travis, they're still letting him on TV after the China thing, wasn't he?

Yes. Did he throw himself into the China thing? The NBA China thing? It's crazy. You would have thought he sent the tweet. I don't know what happened. does he did make a good point is there going to be a more expensive tweet I that's a good one Clay Travis is like my son at Yom Kippur at the Dodger game he is the NBA China scandal he does he has a lot of sins to atone for too. I think that's, I think,

I don't know, Roseanne had a tweet that was more expensive, not more expensive. I don't know, it's going to be interesting. The funniest one is Trump has turned

all his anger towards Steve Kerr for some reason. Oh, yeah. Because it just seemed like an easy target. He did the classic transferring,

whatever. Poor Steve Kerr didn't do any tweets. Why isn't Trump attacking Daryl Morey? Right, exactly. Yeah, Trump, that was a really delayed reaction. That was like four days before Trump weighed in. Yeah, well, I don't know. I have a feeling he just didn't, you know how sometimes you write a tweet,

you don't like it, you decide not to send it. He might have just was waiting for the perfect one. Trump, yeah. Couldn't get it done. You think that's what he does? You think he carefully thinks he's out? I do. I think he's very, very, very careful. Yeah. Especially at social media. Sal, this was a pleasure as always. Good job by you. Good job by you, Billy. Before we go, I want to talk about Succession really quick. Great season. I love any season that ends with a yacht. It's an amazing yacht. Shiny yacht.

Do you think they... I mean, they must be renting that yacht for like two weeks. Seemed like they were filming all the scenes on it. Yeah, I was wondering. There's a couple of scenes where I was like, is that like a screen behind Brian Cox there? Like a green screen? Yeah, behind Logan Roy. They're just a couple of the shots maybe i don't know but that was definitely

uh it was so shiny i couldn't stop looking at the waves reflecting off the boat i was worried they were going to be able to bring this season home because last i thought the last episode was a little up and down and i still don't understand the whole roman and turkey and whatever the hell was going on there yeah but they brought it back and they were setting up the big kendall double cross yeah and kendall really really brought us in i thought that was the best kendall episode by the actor who played him totally gamut of emotions yeah i was so tired of watching him just eat eat shit off the ground it was so nice to you like the last two minutes like whoa you had a couple things because you like that and then you liked when uh

tom fought back oh my god finally Tom fought back with Shiv finally. He fought back with Shiv and he ate the chicken. He ate the chicken. Thanks for the chicken, Logan. Put his sunglasses on and stared him down. Thanks for the chicken, Logan. That was crazy. There were two great scenes.

One when they were all around the table trying to throw each other under the bus. In the nicest way? Yeah. Well, it wouldn't make sense for me because I'm not as loyal as you have been. So you should really. And then the person's like, well, thanks for mentioning that, Kyle.

So much. But I really think that was really good. And then the whole last 12 minutes, Kendall going to see Logan, kissing him on the cheek. It just seemed like he was completely broken emotionally. The one thug tear dropping, yeah. It was great. And then he could feel like, ah, I wonder if he's not going to double cross him.

No, because it was atonement. This is from one of the original double cross, he thought. Nope. And then he did the Bachelor ending where he did the butt. Yeah. He said, Kyle, you're everything I ever wanted then he did the Bachelor ending where he did the butt. He's like, Kyle, you're everything I ever wanted in a guy. Blah, blah, blah. Butt.

And he dropped the butt and you're like, okay, here we go. Yes. I guess my bit, I have to watch it three more times, but I thought Logan's smile at the end was a combo of I was kind of secretly hoping he was going to do this. Because that's a killer move that he said. Yeah. He was kind of challenging him to do going to do this. Because that's a killer move that he said. Yeah.

He was kind of challenging him to do it, but the shareholders had told him early in the episode. They wanted it to be him anyway. Yeah. But he obviously just didn't want to do it himself, but was hoping one of his kids would do it. And that's how it played out. I thought it was a great season.

I'm really going to miss the show. Now we have to wait a year. Jesus, really? The seasons are so short. Does the offseason have to be so short? It's a year. It's not going to come back until late next summer. Who is the MVP of season two?

Greg, because he's still fine. Greg is still fine. He came from doing absolutely nothing, not unlike myself. He's definitely doing some dirt. He could have totally been on a skewer. You think he was the MVP? Look at him. Maybe he's most improved. Maybe most improved.

Yeah, MVP. I don't know. Maybe Tom because he ate the chicken. Tom was really strong. I've always loved Tom. I actually thought Kendo was the MVP of the season. Because he started off in the lowest spot. He was all over the place. And they had to he started off in the lowest spot. He was all over the place

and they had to bring it home in an authentic way. But there was an episode when he shit all over himself. He did so many drugs. Then the next episode, he's fine and they're kind of yanking him around. He's finding love, yeah. Yeah, but they brought it back.

So then by the last episode, it was believable. I also thought, I mean, Roman was the comedy MVP. Oh, yeah. He had 50% of the best lines. What did he say today? You farted in your own shit? Farted in your shit or something. Yeah. He was the comedy MVP.

And Shiv, Shiv was, I think Shiv was all over the map and not always the best way this year. Becoming super unlikable. Yeah. She kind of turned into her dad in a lot of ways. Except for without any real success. Just sort of like in a gimme sort of way.

Just totally ruthless and not really likable. And what did she really ever accomplish with any of that? I don't know. She got fired and she's quit and she's not in on the family and she's just throwing her husband under the bus. And the dad played her. Yeah. And she's playing her husband and he just kind of told her, you're

kind of gross for everything that you did. And you could tell she felt really bad. So I don't think there's anything good to be said about her other than she's hot. She went to the dark side when she coerced the witness in a very gentle way right but then it seemed like there were signs of a human being with tom when tom was like i think i'd be unled what did he say i'd be more unhappy no no he said i'd be the sadness i'd be less sad if i didn't have you than i feel when i have you. That's right.

It's like, oh man, that's a dagger. Kind of identifiable though. I think we've all had somebody like that, right? Oh, I've absolutely been there. Yes. You're way, you're way. I'm sad either way this plays out, but I'd be less sad without you. The one thing I know for sure is I'm absolutely miserable right now.

Right. The one thing I know for sure. So that was good. Really good season. The biggest disappointment for me is our friend Tommy. He hooked up Pusha with the guy who does the theme song. I know, I thought that's how it was going to end. It was the perfect one to end with the puppets. I thought they were going to do hip hop for the ending.

But I give the show it's not an A+, but I give it a solid A for season two. Sure, I'm down with that. I thought it was better than season one. Yeah. I thought the first eight episodes were probably better than the last four, whatever,

like the, or the last three, whatever. How many episodes were there? 10? Yeah. So first seven were better than the last three. My biggest gripe was the Holly Hunter character.

I never thought they figured that out. It's, was she supposed to be sexy? Was she conniving? Maybe she was just supposed to be sexy to Logan. But she wasn't sexy, though. Yeah, she wasn't. I never got a handle on her character.

I didn't think she had the charisma. I never bought that she was smarter than everybody else. I just would have liked to have seen... I think it was mostly Holly Hunter's fault, who I think is a good actress, but I just never got that character. Yeah, it seemed like they punted on Holly Hunter and they punted on Roman and Turkey

or whatever was going on there. It just was like some filler. They just kind of sped it along. There had to be a way for that not to work out for them, but still. Well, I'm going to really miss this show. I think they have, they've figured out a way.

One of my favorite things about TV shows like this is when they figure out the big setting with lots of people. And they were able to do this in all these different seasons. One ended with a Scottish wedding. Season two ends on a yacht. They're always like weddings, funerals, trips, where they can get the main groups in all these different settings. And they do it over and over and over again.

I mean, the show, they live in New York, right? Right. But they're never in New York. Right. That's true. They're always in like everywhere else but New York. Unless Kendall's like smoking a cigarette, stealing a pack of batteries,

you don't really see New York anywhere. Yeah. But outside of those big things, you got to think like, it probably doesn't cost a ton to film the show because they're really just in rooms talking. Right. You know what I mean? They're renting mansions and yachts. Outside of those things, it's probably doesn't cost a ton to film the show. Cause they're really just in rooms talking. Right. You know what I mean?

They're renting mansions and yachts. Outside of those things. It's just like, they're just in rooms. It could be anywhere. The coolest toy they had the whole season was the slide on the yacht. I thought that was great. You did bring that up.

I thought that you rather have that or a helicopter. I don't know. Helicopter. Helicopter. Yeah. No, the traffic's awful. Helicopter is good.

Shadow helicopter. Helicopter. And out of my daughter's soccer games instead of spending three hours on the i-5 yeah you were not happy about that today congratulations on uh on succession season two we really enjoyed it and check out uh chris ryan and jace concepcion they're doing their um number one boys the last episode will be on youtube and ch Chris is also going to be breaking down the watch as well. I might, I want to watch it a couple more times. I might do something on Tuesday as well. All right.

Thanks to the cuz. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to the Astros because they just beat the Yankees. Carlos Correa, walk off over. Go Astros. You got this. Thanks to ZipRecruiter.

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