The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Colts Machine, a Giant Disaster, Hock Tua, Baby Doll’s Luck Corner, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

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It was good. It was your best bet. I loved it. I'm very proud of myself. I feel like I pulled out that Denver game. We'll probably talk about that one, right, on the money line. And then I doubled it up on this, my favorite pick, the San Francisco 49ers. I think I analyzed it right.

First time, like, in six years. I feel like I got everything right. We both had good ones this week because House and I went all in on that Browns' offense game. We went all in. We made it our lock of the year. Tua and wind and rain. We'll talk about that later.

You watched all the Sunday games with the ringer crew because we have a bunch of ringer people in town. And we have this movie theater in the downtown LA offices where they put all the games on the big screen. Yeah. And you got to watch the early and the late, including with some Giants fans, the late game. So what was the experience? What were the highlights?

You had JJ on his phone watching them in the dog. offense season. Hayfitz watching the Giants collapse. Tell me the highlights. Yeah, he had his skinny jeans on, high fits. You know, it's great because Spotify flies everybody out for a week out here and it's good. They call it core week and then they have meetings during the week and everybody pretends they're recording their podcast so they could blow off the meetings.

But at least Sunday, we get together, huge, huge theater. I forgot how the youngans root. I mean, they really, they really whoop it up. And some is alcohol fueled and some isn't. And then some watch on their phone. I'm not going to mention names, but they update, like, they'll be watching, like, on Fandul. So there'll be two plays ahead.

So that's kind of annoying. Is that? You can do that? You could do it. You could do it. Yeah. I shouldn't even tell you about it, but it's, oh, please don't.

But it's great. It's, I mean, High Fitz, I sent you the video, Port of Danny Hyfitts, a big giant fan. When they were down, like, every stupid first down that Bo Nick scramble for, I'm like, oh, you're nervous now. and then he was actually nervous. I thought he was going to be brought to tears at the end. Well, I think he was banking on the 16002 straight games with 18-point lead with six minutes left.

That was pretty great. Big picture before we going to the games, like, you know, this is the sports wheelhouse time. Like the Blue Jays won tonight. We're going to game seven with that. We had Otani on Friday night with, I don't even think it's a debate, the greatest player performance ever.

The only thing I was thinking was whether World Series, versus regular playoffs and everything else should be, like, two separate categories. Yeah, I think so. You know, God forbid you say something like that, like you're called melodramatic. Oh, it was the greatest you've ever seen. And then someone's like, on June 12, 1973, Rick Wise pitched a no-hitter and hit two home runs. I don't want to hear about show a-o time. Like, all right, fine.

Okay. But, no, this is as good as it gets. There's only a handful of players who have struck out 10 batters in a playoff game. and there's only a handful of hit three home runs, and he did both, like insane. Yeah, it makes you think when you watch this all the lost time when he was on the Angels, not in these games,

because the hope with him was always, oh, if he was with the Yankees or the Dodgers or the clubs, and he was in big, big games in a big city, maybe he'll even rise up and go up a level, and there'll be like true great, and there stuff pops out, and we just didn't get to see it for half a decade. And now we're seeing it,

and he actually did elevate. I still feel like, to me, the Reggie three home runs you know they're down by a run in game six you know they had the last two at home but the three straight and the exclamation point at the end I just feel like

World Series has to be kind of over here and then everything else is over here but it was certainly the greatest baseball game I've ever seen it in play I only saw the last two homers do you did you see everything? Yeah well once I didn't see I didn't see the first home and then I saw everything else I also think these numbers are screwed up and they said that

one shot was 469 feet and it's like it's still rising as we're talking two days later it's like they have to fix that and why wouldn't they why are they short changing these this should be big for baseball right that should be 510 or whatever it is or lie who cares i wasn't even sure that was possible to hit it out of the dodger stadium that easily was flying out of there anyway so that was fun college football is in full swing NBA starts Tuesday i'm sure you're betting on hockey we have the equinox coming up uh later this weekend. And then today, Broncos Giants was the best game

of the year. Just an unbelievable comeback by the Broncos. An unbelievable loss. Both teams lost. I'm not even sure there was a winner by the end of it. And of course, I had the Broncos and the T's laying one and a half, so I somehow lost. Nice. Even though they came back

and won. Oh, right. Right. Right. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, that's not good. I'm sorry about that. Yeah. Because that's a fun one to celebrate if you're on the right side. Broncos scored 33 fourth quarter points. So, yeah. I mean, they're five and two.

This could be like a playoff position game. We could be in week 18, be like, oh, my God, they're the two seed because that stupid fucking Giants game in week seven. I can't believe it. And it really looked like, it looked like they were going to give it to the Giants on that fourth and 19 with that bogus. I didn't like the rough in the passer call. I didn't think the guy got the first down.

The pass interference near the goal line was terrible. It was, they were playing the hits, and it seemed like it was a, it didn't pass the stink test. And yet the worst call of all was a review that said that Jackson Dark got in the end zone. And he did, but if he stopped short at the end zone, that kills two plays of the following drive for Denver, at least, I think, right? I'm assuming giant score on the next play or the play after,

but it would have knocked 40 seconds off the clock. I mean, yeah, there was too much. There's a just too. I mean, we're cursing Bo Nix, who I still can't put a finger on. Like, we're, oh, this is a carryover from the London game. He's so bad. And then he becomes the first player in history with two passing touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns in the fourth quarter in the same quarter.

So I think I set a record just on the day for saying the words, they scored too soon. Like in every game, there was like four games like, no, they scored too soon. But you read the stat, man. That's 1,602 games. It's just spectacular that we saw that with our own eyes. Yeah, I did feel like Darts scored too soon when they scored because the Giants were dead.

They're playing in altitude. But you can't tell the guy not to. No, I know. I think we argue about this three times a year. You got to go for it. I was thinking with Bo Necks because this is maybe the third or fourth game where he's looked like complete dog shit for two hours and then he kind of revives. It's like, did you have in college?

did you have the one guy who would throw up and pass out, and then an hour and a half later was in somebody's room, like nothing would happen. And it was like he had like a second life and then something and was just awesome. And he was like, whoa, next. I thought you passed out. That's what he's done three times this year, where you think he's dead.

I guess we'll see Beau tomorrow. And then all of a sudden he's running around. If you want, you could delete this. But I thought this of our friend, not even going all the way back to college, about 20 years ago with our friend Jacoby. I mean, he would tie one on with the best of them. And then the next day, at 7 in the morning,

he'd be ready to produce a bit with a tie on. We'd definitely not cutting that out. No, we'll leave it in? Okay. No, it's a compliment, Jacobey. It's a compliment. Yeah, he's a mature guy now. Yeah, no, he can rally with the best of him.

That's it. But he's like a Jekyll and Hyde QB. There's not a lot of these anymore. There's not a lot of guys who just look like complete dogship for a while. Like, I don't know how many open receipts. he's missed on 40 to 45-yard bombs. I've watched a lot of Broncos. I have a lot of Broncos futures.

That was my big AFC pick. And it just feels like for two hours, he misses everybody that's open. And then all of a sudden he settles down. He basically needs two hours to settle down. That's it, right? Yeah, like he's planted on there. Yeah, he's one of those guys who, in four years,

I don't know what you'd be more confident in. Is he a top six paid quarterback or is he out of the league? Or is he like Carson Wins where he's on some new team Yeah, he's got to come back and they're kind of hoping he's okay but you know he's not And you're just kind of waiting for the starter to come back That's Chicago before you

Yeah Amazingly they're 5 and 2 And we have India is 6 and 1 Tampa's 5 and 1 heading into tomorrow night And then the only 5 and 2 teams are my beloved Patriots, Denver, Philly and the Rams And Denver could either be

It feels that they could be 3 and 4 they could easily be six and one if that leveraged thing doesn't call. I think what was notable today was their defense was awful. And I thought this was going to be one of those defense against a rookie QB,

just take them out. But it was the opposite. They were, I thought, really, really bad. And even that last drive, like Dart shouldn't have been able to do that. They lucked out because Dart through one of the worst passes of the day that Tua wasn't involved with

when they were down 10. If you run three times and punt, the Broncos probably can't win. but it said dart threw them that pick he threw when he was supposed to be running and then when he was trying to kill the clock he should have passed on second down and they

it was bad they did everything the reverse and that's why Brian Dables breaking chairs in the locker room after the game oh my God well the Broncos have a one game lead over the Chiefs and yet are the Chiefs favorite on Fandoff for that division

they have to be right? Favorite to win the Super Bowl yeah they're favorite to win the Super Bowl too? They're minus the Chiefs are now minus 125. The Broncos plus 230 for the division. Chargers 370. Chargers have dropped. And the Raiders are no longer on the radar.

Yeah. And, meanwhile, you have the Chiefs who dominated the Raiders to the point that I felt really good once they scratch Bowers. This game doesn't need to be in the multi-view. We have enough games. I'm just going to hope nothing happens and they'll get a couple updates

and the Chiefs will win by a lot. It's exactly what happened. They had 30 to 3 first downs. I don't think the Raiders got to 100 yards. It was like one of the most inept offensive performances, I think of the 21st century. So that was great. So anyway, the Chiefs have rounded in a forum.

And then you look at that stupid Monday night game they lost against Jacksonville that we lost money on. Right. And is one of the three worst results of the year. Jacksonville looks the way they look today. And the Chief should probably be five and two anyway. That 90-dand-yard interception return, one of the dumbest plays of the year.

for sure yeah and it's that's what kept jackson but i remember they have like 14 turnovers in three games and now everything's like coming back to the norm but yeah i love the chiefs today i mean this was the only thing they hadn't done in a while right like lays a smackdown on a team like now you have mahomes favored for mvp you have the chief's favorite to win the super ball they haven't beaten anybody like they did like in 2022 like reed and mohomes type team and i late 23 and a half i got good odds on the only thing i don't understand is for Why run a trick play against the Raiders by the goal line? Why wouldn't you save that for a game,

but you're not going to struggle in? Which trick play? The one when Mahomes was pretending he was trying to get, there was another play there was the other thing, right? Yeah, why'd they waste that one? That was a good one work thing. That was great. Yeah, yeah, that was dumb.

So I don't know, like maybe, I don't know why. I just would like an answer for that. But who cares? They're right back at it at four and three, the toast of the town. It seemed like a little animosity for the Raiders who talked a lot of shit the last couple of times. Back to Nuggets.

I'm already in NBA mode. Stop it, please. Back in a Broncos Giants mode, the Giants are two and five. Yeah. But probably had, including your Cowboys win, two of the dumbest losses, two of the five dumbest losses. So they could easily be four and three.

I think of all the two and five and under teams, so that's, let's see, Cleveland, Vegas, Giants, Zona, Baltimore's one and five, Miami, Tennessee, Saints, Jets. If there's just a round-robin tournament of all of those teams, it's the Giants against the Ravens, I think, in the finals,

out of all the crappy teams, right? So we have our five cross-offs and who are you adding? You're adding the Giants and Ravens. I'm just saying those are the teams that are at least minus three for win totals right now. Right.

No, well, our new cross-up team is Vegas. I think our cross-up teams now are Jets, Browns, Tennessee, Miami, the Saints, and Vegas. Vegas, I think are the six. Biggest is two and five and that it's a wrap. Giants are a different tier for sure. But now, like you said,

Giants are two and five. Now they play a Philly team on the road who just wants to murder them, right? They're so mad. So they're going to fall apart here. I feel like people are still going to love Jackson Dart, but Brian Daibel is a little closer to firing after this game. You know what I mean?

Well, that's a Giants fan friend asked me how many franchise could have believably lost that game. And he said it's only the last 10 years, Giants. Because the Giants were, you know, they went to Super Bowls in the last 20 years. But then so I thought, not counting the Washington Generals.

I think you're right. Yeah. Well, I thought Jets would have absolutely, that would have happened to the Jets. Mm-hmm. Right. The first time in 16002 games, Jets definitely.

And I think the Browns are, I don't think maybe Jags, I don't know, maybe. That's tough. But I think if we were doing a fantasy draft of who would lose this way, the Giants would have been the third pick. Yeah. Right? I would have taken the Jets first and then we'd have taken the Brown second.

For sure. And then I think Giants third. The Giants could do it again next week against the Eagles. It could be, it could happen like two or three more times this year with this team. Darts fun. I like them. He is. I have no idea of Denver.

I just don't know if you're a Broncos fan how you think you can win a couple rounds with Bo Nix with how he's looked this season. It's just been too erratic. I was going to ask you as a Patriots fan and it's looking more and more certain that you're going to be a playoff team. I know you have your eyes on the division title,

but have you thought about the who we don't want to play in the first round thing? I bet Denver's not on your radar for that right now. I bet, like, the Colts are much more right there for, we can't play this team. We can't match up first round. Well, the Colts, I would say, are a safe one-seed bet right now. The Chiefs would be the two, right? Buffalo, it just seems like they've been too spotty.

The Pats, so if they win the division, which is conceivable, that's probably a three-seed for them. Oh, all right. My numbers are all different from yours, but that's fine. Where would you have them? I'm just saying, let's play this out like we know these teams and the pats are at six and the cults are a two. I think the pats are going to be in the top five if May stays out there. Just because the schedule is so awful.

That's true. I mean, it's really like number one with a bullet for easiest strength of schedule. Every week they play somebody shitty or somebody that has some major injury. And I think they're a good team. I don't think they're a great team, but May has been one of the best players. in the league for the last four weeks, their defense, they can rush the passer, they can stop the run, and they can get first downs.

Like I think they're a good team. You were so scared when they were down sending nothing. Oh, you were terrified. Hensch can back me up. I texted him, and I was like, we were down 10-3, and I was like, I like this. This team needed a little adversity. Let's see how they respond.

May went right down. Yeah, but you were crying when he texted. No, it wasn't crying. He was good. He couldn't. I was like, oh, this is exciting. I get to throw the nixon. name Adam again, but then he completed like 14

in a row. He is throwing the best deep balls in the week. They're consistently like in stride with a guy catching them with their hands up. One last thing on Broncos Giants, I just wanted to mention. Thank God we have win probability rates. Because I had no idea if that was like an amazing comeback or anything. And then when I saw the charts, I got to see the chart. Yeah.

Once I was like, oh, yeah, that really was amazing. if you can combine the wind probability charts with how fast somebody ran on a ton of boat next reach 19.8 miles an hour that would really be peak this is stupid it's the same dude do you think like in 1929 like the Great Depression they had charts of like the stock market bottoming out

like yeah here's your portfolio sir here so you see this flat line oh all right okay yeah your grandfather's dying there's a flat line and there's an annoying noise going off for a minute and a we really need them for marriage Yeah, right. That's good. My wife's a lousy move.

What's my win probability chart for asking her if I could go out tonight? All right. The other game we have to talk about is the Brown's murdering the dolphins, which... Let's kill this kicker a little bit. This number 99 is this macanacananan. Where do you come from? When a number 99 with a crazy name like that, it seems like it's from it's only sunny in Philadelphia, like a made-up name or something.

You have no confidence. So you just get on Fandle right there and bet the other side. Yeah, you at least need like a short guy who's been on a couple teams and kicks like the traditional soccer style. And it's like, oh, I remember that guy when he was on the Jaguars. He deprived us of overtime is what he deprived of. Yeah, definitely. I felt like that game had some more magic in it.

It just could have kept going and going. Brown's killing the dolphins. We were texting a lot during this game. I don't even know where to start. Two of finishes after calling out the team, 12 for 23 for 100 yards, three interceptions, two drop picks, really could have five. Yeah. He had a fumble. He led three wide receivers into just getting obliterated.

I think all three eventually got up. And it was just everything you would have expected from him in Cleveland. The weather wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be an interesting matter. So you had that. And then you had DJ Mikey Mac on the sidelines. The best. He had these big sunglasses. He looked like John Holmes in the mid-80s,

like one of his last porn movies when just the wheels are coming off. I can't even describe how fucking weird he looks. And that guy's supposed to be a leader of men. It's just checked out. And then has an insane press conference after. I actually think it seems like he's unraveling. So he's, there's no way he's.

he's going to be coaching them on Thursday, right? Interesting, because I was talking to JJ, John Dostremski, was a big Dolphins fan, and he was really just miserable for three hours, trying to figure out what year they're going to be good. And we got like the 2031, and I was like, okay, stop already. Like, he couldn't even pull the trigger on that year,

but battling for the one, you know, number one pick and everything. But yeah, McDaniel is, those glasses, is that everything except like the windshield wiper things on the glasses? Like, why don't you just go all out? He's a clown, right? Why are you wearing sunglasses? It's raining. It's here in Cleveland.

It's 40 degrees. What's going on? Why are you dressed like that? We both heard 50 to 70 mile an hour wins like on Thursday. I'm like, oh, we both went under on a teaser. And that's what made that exciting. It wasn't like a 13-7 game. It was like, holy shit.

How many interceptions is two are going to throw to put this under in jeopardy? And it almost got there. I had a giant 13-point tease that actually won. but took the line up to 48. Tua throws that pick and like basically from his own end zone. Yeah. And all of a sudden it's 31 to 6.

I'm like, oh my God, this game's going to go over 49 points. Like two is single-handedly going to drive this. He was so bad. It just, he didn't want to get hit. He was just flinging the ball up for grabs.

It was really one of the worst quarterback games. We've seen all year. And we've talked about him on this pod for four or five years. This felt like Rock Bob. bottom for him. I find it hard to believe he's going to be on that team next year. Don't you think? No, I think they have to move on from him and move on from the doesn't have to be either or. I know it's like, well, Tua said this. So McDaniel's gone. It's like, now, it's both of them. But I was, I really hung in there. I was like, I don't want to blame

Tua here because they were right in his face for a lot of the plays. Like if the average, you know, you get the playoff in like 2.9 seconds, he had like 0.6 seconds. But even so, but that goes back to McDaniel. Like, what kind of game plan? Just the ball. You got A-Champ. Just run, run, run. That's what the Browns did. That's why they weren't getting blown out in the third quarter. Right. As somebody bet on the Browns, I was praying that they weren't just going to hand off to A-chan 38 times. It's a very strange performance. The Browns, there's a couple teams that I think are good home bets. I think the Falcons are another one. We saw them tonight. But the Browns at home, I don't know. I just think their

defense shows up. They can run the ball. Proceivers aren't terrible. The quarterback's pretty Pretty tough. Yeah. And he's vanilla. Right. It's pretty mediocre. But they dominated the game. Some of the texts are great.

He's like a seven for a, for a 1 p.m. Eastern slot, sadly. Right. Should we write? We should start ranking quarterbacks in the 1 p.m. slot, not this week, but I mean, it's on a curve. Some texts that we had, Hensch said at one point, if you zoom in on McDaniel's laminate, it's just Zillow listings. I thought that was a good one. I, uh, there was this one moment where they come out of commercial and Spiro Detus and Adam Archeletta.

Oh, yeah. They have the graphic. It was their 17th Cleveland Browns game together. What memories? Get them a photo book. Like out of 17 Browns games, how many of those you think were like fun to announce? Like two? Yeah, yeah, too.

It's like, sorry, guys, you're going to Cleveland again. And this was just brutal. He probably did preseason too. Yeah, they showed that graphic and they, freeze-framed on those guys. I'm like, oh, are they dead now? Are they in carbon? I was like, what happened to these guys?

They just left. They left the booth. I left it on the multi-view all game. It was one of my four of the whole thing. I couldn't get enough of it. Every time Miami was on offense, I'll tell you this, I think the most wrong I've been all year

was my over-excitement for Trayvian-Henerson on the past thinking that he could be Jemir Gibbs for them. He has not made, I don't think, a good point this entire season. I don't know what happened in the preseason when he was the most electric rookie they've had in 10 years versus how he's looked this year.

Like he basically got buried today. He was the third street running back. And then on the flip side, Judkins on the Browns is a stud. And I remember saying after like week one or week two, like this was like a miracle that they took Judkins over Henderson. Judkins wasn't even training camp. And now it's like, Jesus, Judkins looks like they've just recreated Nick Chubb.

like a faster, quicker version of him. I was going to bring this up to you because I have him. He's 10 to 1 to win an offensive rookie of the year. I was trying to think like what has to happen. You know, they have like... Egbuka gets hurt like three more times. Egbuka, darts at the top.

So those two would have to get her. Agbuka's already hurt, but probably playing. Tyler Warren would have to go away too. So just three guys have to disappear. You know, I had Igbuka as the best, rookie that I've seen this year. Yeah. But Tyler Warren is an absolute destructor of defenses.

And they did a good job. At one point, they had a graphic today of all the formations. Like, he's lined up at all these different positions. But we've said it every week. Like, the Brown's taking Loveland over him was just weird. Yep. The whole year, he was the best tied end in the draft.

And then, like, within two weeks before the draft, people were like, I don't know, look out for this Loveland. Right. It's coming on. Like, how about the guy who's always been the best guy at the position? What must the Browns think? Like, they get shit on for every single pick, every single trade, every single, everything they do. And like, all right, all we need is for this Tyler Warren to be okay, but not great.

Like, oh, damn it. Now everyone, now Simmons is calling us out for not taking, for taking Loveland over Warren. Oh, the bears. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the bears. Yeah.

Well, the funny thing is the, so the Browns ended up with Mason Graham, who's been awesome because they did this trade back. And then watching that Jaguars, I tweeted this today. And of course, Travis Hunter had a couple garbage time catches. But that trade is just like, you watch Mason Graham, and it's like, I wouldn't trade Mason Graham for Travis Hunter straight up. I would make Jacksonville throw in a number one pick. You can find receivers.

Like what Mason Graham is doing for the Browns already, it's really hard to find. Yep. Yeah, I had the same take that I had to cross out, that Travis Hunter is we don't give him enough crap or the Jags for that. But yeah, then he scored. You had the Jags? Did you have the Jags? You said?

You didn't have the Jags. Did you? We didn't, we, House made us back off in the, uh, in the Arab thing. But, um, no, it's just, it's frustrating because after that Chief's game, I was kind of hoping that they would be good, so I'd feel better about it. And I still feel terrible about it. We, um, we're going to take a break and then we're going to play a new game. The Bill Simmons podcast is brought to by Fandle and Basketball.

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I don't know when this started. How far back when he started wishing people look? Like, is it before I even knew him? Probably before we knew him, but very, very early in on our acquaintance with him. So one of Baby Dolls' favorite things to do and the thing that has brought us the most joy is if somebody's like

their show is about to get canceled, they're about to get fired, some relationship is going to go, something bad is going to happen professionally. Baby doll would be like, I wish him a lot of luck. And that has turned into when we sniff out that something might happen,

we'll text Baby doll, baby, get the luck ready. Baby, you got to go into the reserves and get some luck. You have something in your back pocket. And it's just, it's probably the running joke we do the most, right?

Even if something seems good for them at the time. Like, oh, this one signed the deal with Tobe to be the vice president. Like, yeah, okay, great. Yeah, I wish you a lot of luck there. Like, oh, all right. You know. So anyway, we have some luck we want to hand out and honor a baby doll. I'm not sure he was watching football.

He was probably playing golf. Let's start with DJ Mike McDaniel. I think on the baby doll corner, he's a solid 10 out of 10. I think he needs a lot of luck, like a lot. for sure. I mean, I wrote a lot of things down in his voice. Go ahead. You do it. You go. All right. Yeah. Thanks, Mike McDaniel for another shitty game and an even shittier press conference. And I quote, this is from his press conference. You're ready? Because we're not, I mean, if you are negatively affecting the football team routinely, you know, assess another player. You know what, Mike, you're as lousy and motivational speaker as you are a head coach. Good luck to you and your Lulu Lemon pants. So that would be something new to do. Yeah.

Yeah. That would be a long, it would be a voice text with a couple of misspellings. Oh, yeah, yeah. Capital letters, almost all capital, almost everything. He's doing on a bridge. Right. And maybe you should give your sunglasses back to Marvin Gay. I think he'd have some luck for Tua.

Yeah. Well, first of all, wasn't it funny every time they showed Mike McDaniel? He was looking down at the play chart. He was looking down. It was almost like he knew the camera was on him and he knew everyone was staring at him and he couldn't bear to look up. Like, if you know someone's walking on a plane

that you don't want to see and you like pretend you're sleeping, like that's what he was doing. He was like, yeah, we see you, Mike. What are his other options? Where could he look? He could cover his face with it. I don't know. Like, what if he just went in the blue tent

and just kind of peeked out from the place? Mike McDaniel is in the blue tent. Nothing physically wrong with him. He's just hiding. He's probably, he didn't have darker sunglasses. He should have had like the Ray Charles glasses. Tua would definitely have some look.

Yeah. We told Baby we were doing this, and he demanded that Aaron Glenn, Aaron Glenn was number one on his list for luck. So I don't know if you want to do. How many of these do you want to do? I have a two. I have like seven.

Do it, Tua. Go do it, you know what, too. I wish anyone over 65 luck trying to pronounce your name. But, you know, good luck in the workforce. throwing your boss under the bus

and then shitting all over yourself every Sunday, yeah, that'll work in the real world. Good luck. Good luck, for you. I guess they should all end good luck, yeah. Well, he wanted to wish Aaron Glenn luck. So I looked this up. It was hard to figure out, but I think I'm right. Aaron Glenn started out 0 and 7. So the worst start by a head coach, again,

somehow Hugh Jackson, not involved. Cam Cameron, that won Miami Dolphins here for him. He started out 0 and 13, and then our guy, Dan Campbell, was 0, 11, and 1. You know, I looked at it here, so he'd have to go 0.14 to own the record. They're at CINCII, bye week, home Browns. That could be, I don't know, maybe they're two and a half point favorite or underdogs, something like that, at Pats, at Ravens, home falcons, home dolphins. Dolphins is it?

So basically Brown's Dolphins are the ones to get him to avoid that record. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. December 7th. That was the team they lost. That's the only team the Dolphins beat. That's going to be spectacular. Yeah.

I don't know. So with these guys, off the baby thing for a second, but these guys like, you want to cut them some slack if they don't have the quarterback in place, right? But he wanted Justin Fields, right? Like this was his guy. So he kind of, he can't kind of ride out the string and go like, oh, in 16. 70, right? See, that's the thing where these guys, I know they have to get people with football backgrounds

and people have coached and coached in college or been a coordinator or QB coach, whatever. It really does feel like they need to hire somebody who watches football for 14 hours a day like us. Right. Just as a consultant, be like, hey, Bill, what about fields for two years, 20 million a year? Just give me your blink test thought. And I've just been like, dude, the Steelers quit on that guy in five weeks. Right.

And he wasn't even playing that bad. And they were just like, there was one, that one game, that Sunday night game. And they were like, we're out with this guy. If he's behind, he can't, like, you can't do this. Justin Fields will never be the answer. Don't do it. Hey, Justin, guess what? We figured it out.

You lied on your fucking resume. You can't throw the ball forward. Ty Taylor is more capable than you are. Good luck getting back on the field. You're going to need it. I think that might have been it for him, by the way. he he he he was what was it what was that's that I have him here 41 yards 40 I guess that's six for six for 12 for 45 yards 45 yeah benched at

half time and then Taylor came in it's like Taylor gave him some life he he gave the other team some life he threw two picks yeah that was bad it finished with six points um I have I have one piece of luck that I think baby yeah might wish um Tom Brady getting inside info from his Fox gig and giving it to the Raiders. I think we need to wish that storyline, look. You think it's bad info. It's like, this is such an advantage for the Raiders.

The Raiders have gone backwards more furiously than any team in the league. I'm pretty sure Tom Brady's not helping them out. How about our buddy Carson Wentz, who was playing all the hits today and even had like a blooper reel at some point that was floating around on social media? I think if he played better, they would have won that game.

Yeah, if he played better, if Hawkinson doesn't slam that into the turf slightly, they were right there. They got behind too early. That wasn't a catch, though. I don't know why he was mad. He's really pissed off. The ball got loose after it hit the ground. I thought it moved enough.

Yeah, we've seen that enough to see that that's incomplete. But that's how close everything was, right? With them, he just got, yeah, the Eagles, like, I guess, like, as boring as we think they could be for three hours. There's always going to be like two or three big play capabilities. It's weird. They're not coming from Barclay, you know, and they came from BJ Brown, but it's good enough to beat a lot of these teams, that's for sure.

That was the most exciting they've been all year. Yeah, the Eagles. They actually had some explosiveness. I think it would have been embarrassing, right, if Carson Wentz. Like that, the embarrassment factor is never, never, you can never put enough emphasis on it, just like if Rable had lost to the Tennessee. those are the two games right well i think with wince there's a lot of like he's close to being

a good quarterback right when you watch him like you can actually see the potential like he'll have some nice throws and there's like that one that ad lib piece is just missing with him like when a play goes wrong and he's got a and that's just when it unravels for him do you have luck for gino smith because it feels like his career uh on the press of how did i miss that go ahead yeah go ahead do your do you Well, I just think he's in range. The only reason I would give them Grace is, and this is why I thought

Grace is my daughter's name, by the way. Go ahead. The Chief's Money Line, I thought, was the safest money line parlay ad of the year today. Because the Raiders scratch Bowers, like, they're clearly, just get us to the bye week. We'll be two and five. We'll get Bowers something. Bowers hasn't been healthy since week one. So I don't want to write off Gino yet, but it's not been great.

Jacobi Myers was solid last year. I think he's like the last three games, he barely went over 100 yards. Gentie, if you bottle them up and there's no Bowers, like you said, there's going to be not a lot of offense out of this team. Who else did you have on the baby doll look at this? I have, let's see, I have Brian Dayball.

Hey, oh, wow, Brian, you broke a chair in the locker room. Listen, you have no talent and no hair either. And look at me. I have a head of hair, a 25-year-old would covet, baby. Good luck to you, Dayball. You're going to need it. let's see do you think he's in range like if they get killed by the eagles next week would they be like it could be they have a few it's not just the eagles right they're the 49ers are decent they play them

they're at the bears and packers lions your patriots like that's a that's a mess that could be like three and nine so i don't know do you keep them at that point well one thing he doesn't have to worry about is bill belichick stealing his job bill's another one by the way and i like to wish Hulu luck for giving millions to Bill Belichick to create a reality show. And they made a shitty pilot and kept the money. Yeah, that money is gone, Hulu. You're not getting it. Jordan squandered it on designer purses and graphic artists.

They really rope a dope to Loo. They really did. That was the only one he could beat. He can't beat anyone else. They filmed it. And then they're just like, no, actually, we're going to take the money. I got a couple more. Yeah, let's hear. All right. Oh, London. Yeah, good luck, London. You didn't get a good NFL game today or last week or ever. In our eyes, you're barely worthy of the Jaguars. You'd be fortunate if we named you our 51st date. I wish you a lot of luck. I might be mixing egot maniacs here. But that's, yeah. Oh, whoever designed the Chargers uniform, I got news for you. The Savannah Bananas look is not working for you. You want a designer? Hire whoever designs for my girl to Nader.

sisters. Love thy Nader, a show which I happen to be an executive producer on. They dress all classy and shit. They're sweet girls, you know, never embarrass themselves like the Chargers team had a wardrobe or whatever. I wish you luck. We should mention Baby Doll does represent the neighbor. Nader Sisters. He's branched out. We'll give you his number at the end of the show if you want to contact them for any reason. The next time we do this, we should just have Baby Doll on camera for the segment. Yeah, yeah. You should show a picture in the 5-year, just at least a picture, just whatever. One more.

Andrew Luck. I wish him a lot of luck. You were locked for first ballot Hall of Fame at, oh, then, oh, you retired because you fell out of love with the game. Oh, that's too bad. And now you're the GM of Stanford football as if that's even a fucking thing. Well, guess what? Your team's a 30-point underdog to Miami this week. Good luck to you.

I could do this for like three hours. I'm done that. I have no others. I thought you might have had some belated luck for Brian Callahan and his dad. Yeah, go sell your shitty tire somewhere else, Callahan. We don't need you. I want to put, in case you do this again, on Luckwatch, I think Kyler Murray might be on Luckwatch. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Percette's pretty competent, two straight weeks. I know they're two and five, but. He does seem to have that offense in a better rhythm than Kyler. And Spencer Rattler, who has moments and his moving the ball, I think, would also be on luck watch. Because if they're going to be one and eight, like at that point, you've got to put in Tyler Shuck and see if he's competent or not. Do you feel like Rattler was bad today in the weather? Well, those 1 p.m. Eastern games, you're just going to get a slew of bad quarterbacks, right? Or new quarterbacks or struggling quarterbacks, whatever.

Is it like hate watching a bunch of shows now? I feel like it's like hate watch, hate watch binging five shows at once. Like, okay, there's the bear. I know I'm not going to laugh. I know it's best comedy, everything else. But it's like I feel like that's where it is. Are you with that?

Like, why do we do this to ourselves? It's to me, it's like those, it's the latest seven-hour serial killer show. There's a John Wayne Gasey show. Yeah. John Wayne Gacy, worst rotten tomatoes serial killer. Like, I think the lowest Rotten Tomatoes rating.

Just like, not a fun hang. It wasn't a fun hang in the moment. Like, there were other serial killers just eclipsed him. There were, like, more fun ones, more entertaining ones. Like, Gacy's just, like, weird. And him and Ed Gein were the two that Hollywood kind of laid off because it was like, man, there's just nothing to work with here. And now we're making eight hours about these guys.

We've just run out. I love it. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but I love it. Syracos. They're the 1 p.m. Eastern serial killers? It's running out of them. Okay. Speaking of the Jets, the Panthers are four and three.

Had to mention that. Of course, Bryce Young heard his ankle in the game. Dalton had to come in for a little bit. But Panthers over under, I think, was, what was it, six and a half? Six and a half, yeah. So they're going to get there, it looks like. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple over unders that are almost done.

Like the Colts, that one's done. You know, I was in Boston the last couple days, and I had made some future bets on Fandall in August when I was there, all stuff we talked about on the pod. One of them was a pretty sizable Pats over seven-and-half wins bet. And Fandall was like, do you want to buy this out now? And they were like, you can basically buy it out for like 80%. It's really interesting.

I was like, no, no, thanks for the offer, Fendl. I'm going to ride this out. But they give you the buy it price, which I think is fun for the futures because I had a Minnesota one where I was like, oh, maybe I should just get out of this now. Do you get out of future bets or do you feel like once you're in, you're in? We should. I have friends that do that, not even with future bets, but just regular bets.

They'll cash out. I feel like it's a loss. But I also feel like Fandle should be as if you're like leasing a car. And you're like, yeah, yeah, I don't like this. I'm going to go somewhere else. And like, let me talk to my boss for a second. I'll be right back. You know what, Bill, I'll give you 88% for that Patriots.

Yeah, let me, how about that? Would you take 90? We should take 90 right now. We don't ever do this, but don't tell anyone. We're going to have another one, I had a Pat's Denver one that they were like offering 90%. Like the ones that it are, but the reason I bring that up is like if you had the Colts over, easy.

You're at like 97% for the Fando buyout. Like, you're not even getting any value of that anymore. Packers Cardinals, yet another weird Packers game. There was a couple notable things. Parsons finally got going. We called him out last week. We had nothing to do with it. But we did point out last week that he was not jumping out of the TV.

I really liked something the floor did in this game that we've talked about in the past in different pods where they brought the field goal kicker out to tie it with like two and a half minutes left on fourth and two. I think they're on like the 27, 29 somewhere there, like two minutes left. And then change their mind, went for it on fourth and two, got it.

Long pass, right? Like, wasn't even a, yeah, it was good. It was like a ballsy call. They get it. It's one of those where if they don't get it, I think he gets criticized. But the reason I liked it, I just felt like the Packers needed something like that.

They needed some sort of like, hey, are we good or not? Because I feel like they were in no man's lane for three, four weeks. And it was the kind of thing you do when you have a good team. So they did it and they got it. I think it's going to help them.

I still don't know if they're good. What do you think? Well, they're good. I mean, listen. No, but I mean, good, good. I'd be surprised if they make the playoffs. I think we talked about on the pregame show, what was your confidence meter with the, with the Packers after they beat the Lions, like a nine or a 10, right?

What is it now? Like a seven right now in terms of like right there. But how many NFC teams do you like more than them? Well, that's, yeah, that's probably it. Probably three, if it came down to it, even though they, even though they, Spank, Detroit. Who are the three? Is Dallas one of the three?

Dallas is, well, we tied them. So they have to be on the same level, I guess. No, it's probably Tampa, Detroit. Do I say Seattle yet? I don't know. I don't know. Well, I mean, they're right in there. They're good.

I still think Philly has to be in there. Yeah. They beat Flacco and Jacoby Brissette in the last couple weeks. But Parsons is back. He's right there. Three sacks, ten pressures. He's good. It's so weird because when you're watching the game and it's like,

I like that guy, really like Tucker Craft. Wow. Golden's really good. Ah, Jacobs is excellent. Wow, what a play by love. And you watch them and you're wondering why they don't have like 40 points. Yeah. And meanwhile, it's like, you know, 16 to 13 with eight minutes left.

And they have weapons everywhere. Every time they throw to Tucker Kraft, that's 15 yards. He's basically La Porter or Tyler Warren for them. They never throw it to them. And they get Watson and Jaden Reed back soon. So it's going to be like 10 guys they could throw out there. cards a cross-off range for you?

I think so. Yeah, two and five. They've lost four in a row. They probably should have lost five in a row. So I haven't seen their schedule in a minute, but it looks like they're not going to be favored in a lot of these games, right? They're at Dallas after they're by. They're at Seattle, San Francisco, Jaguars, Tampa, the Rams.

I mean, that's one or two wins in there. So I think 10 wins for NFC. so that means they have to go 8 and 2 last 10. Oh, yeah, no. No, that's not happening. Listen, I got a lot of things wrong. I was up and down on the over-underers. I'll probably end up over.

I'll probably be like 18 and 14, 19 and 13, something like that. The cards, I never, there were a lot of smart people really on the cards this year, and I just didn't understand it. Yeah. I didn't get it. I didn't think they had the talent. Good luck, Sal, getting Fandle to cash out your NFC West Division Cardinal. bet. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, they're offering you like

7% for that one. Philly, Minnesota, we talked about earlier. The big one was the Philly receivers had 304 yards catching today, which I think people got excited about. I did have to ask you about Minnesota, though. This McCarthy

ankle sprain does not pass the Bill Simmons' stiff test. Oh, interesting. I watched that game. I wasn't positive that he was hurt at any point in that game. Then they said he was and um put this way i don't think tom brady in like 2012 was out for six weeks with this injury and i wonder if this was a soft benching i know i'm not the first one to speculate this but if you had to bet soft benching or his ankles really fucked up what would you put the ratio for

that because to me i'm like way on the soft benching side is it even soft i mean what was his performance I know it was the ankle that didn't him in, but... He was terrible. He had one good quarter that he, the fourth quarter that Monday night game, that of first house that I lost on.

No, it was Minnesota, I thought. No, not Minnesota. Chicago. Was that it? Yeah, okay. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, the good quarter.

Yeah. He played that one good quarter in that game. Other than that was, was bad. Mm-hmm. And then this, this very fortunate ankle injury popped up out of nowhere and we haven't seen them since and I just, I don't know, it doesn't pass

the sniff test to me. I think you're right and well they had once they're by, now I can't see we're 23rd did they have their buy? This dumb thing I'm looking at. I think they had their buy. They did. Yeah, they're three and three. Yeah, I don't know.

They have to bring them back sooner rather than later. The one thing I saw in that game that I liked that in Minnesota, this guy, the Vikings batty laying down on the tush push. Did you see that to me? Why did that actually work? I don't know.

I think it threw, first of all, I think it just threw them off. Like when Chosen blocked Daniel LaRusa's crane kick. Like, holy shit, this is happening. They're going to have to figure something else out. All anyone has to do is lay down. I'll lay down. I'll be the guy who lays down if they want to do that. But good for them, if that's what, if that continues to work.

Yeah, so he gets hurt in that Falcons game, week two. Since then, they put the Bengals Steelers. Browns in London. By week last week, Eagles. And then they're at the Chargers Thursday night at Detroit, week nine. And then week 10 against the Desperate Ravens team. We're running out of spots to just slide JJ back in. Right.

And if they missed on that pick, that's pretty significant. Sure. What was he? What was he the seventh pick? Well, even Schifter is like, hey, do I have to report on him every Wednesday? like what what what what's going on here it's fine it's fine if you want to take them out 10th overall right

right ankle sprained for a QB this debilitating like you're out for over a month I don't know he's got to step up the excuse I think you think we need the NBA countdown crew to come in and tell them to step up

yeah J.J. McCarthy they let Sam Darno go but I was thinking if they had paid Sam Darnold who I think has been pretty good on the Seahawks and was really good for them last year. They gave them a lot of money, though. Yep.

They probably win that 21-18 Steelers game. I think they win today. Arguable that they win that We Two Falcons game, but they probably have two more wins that they just kept San Darno. They put some of that money toward, like, defense, and I get it. Like, they spend it differently, but.

At least four and two. He's got a, if that's a sprained ankle, meanwhile, I have like a cramp. I'm such a pussy. I have a cramp in my ribs. I can't wait for the next break so I could stretch. But, yeah. McCarthy's got to step up now.

No, it's fine. You want to wish your ribs some luck. The Bears have won four straight and the Patriots have won four straight. What is crazier to you? Wow. The Bears. How about this? I didn't even know they won four straight until I watched the Ben Johnson post-game locker room thing

and he was talking about four in a row. And I'm like, for what? Oh, four wins? Four wins in a row. They beat Dallas, Vegas, Washington, and then New Orleans today. I know they went over. They were the only team to go over their point total every week before this week. And then what they only had 26?

I don't think they did it this week. But yeah, he had some bad numbers, too, Caleb Williams. Then he had like one interception, two fumbles, like 160. I can't remember how many others. I got to be honest. I thought Caleb was pretty bad. in this game. Yeah.

They won today because their defense was excellent. And, and Ratler had a couple bad throws, but their defense was really good,

really lively. I mean, they're leading the league and takeaways now. They had an interesting moment at the end of the game. Now I'm just scouring for the post-game speeches.

It's my favorite thing to do during the Sunday night game. And Ben Johnson is just trying to step it up. And he does this very agro. He's almost like a South Park character with his, with his post-game speech.

But then he gave the game ball to Dennis Allen. We forgot it was a Dennis Allen revenge game, the defensive coordinator of the Bears. Gives the ball to him. Dennis Allen comes in and gives this speech that's way better than what Ben Johnson's speech was. He almost sounded like a preacher. And the guys were locked in.

They were really excited for him. And I was like, dangerous move when you're the coach to hand off the speech to somebody who's better than you at the speech. Interesting. So maybe that speaks to the camarader or the coaching staff. I don't know. It's either that or Ben Johnson knows how bad a head coach Dennis Allen would be. He's just not threatening at all.

It's like, go ahead, take the mic, whatever you need to do. He looked at his record and pro football reference. He's like, ah, this is fine. Go do karaoke. You're fine. Whatever you want to give it to him. I am not a believer in that bear's team. So they are four and two next week when we do guest lines.

they're at the Ravens, which is our first playoff game in the year, basically. Because if the Ravens lose, it's over. Yeah. You're not making the playoffs one in six. No doubt. So this will be our first actual playoff game stakes for one of the teams. And then my team, the Patriots,

who beat Carolina, Buffalo, New Orleans, and Tennessee, three stinker team, well, two stinker teams. Carolina's okay. And then Buffalo is the big win there. But everything's going great. Couldn't be happier with May, the lines, all that stuff. The one thing is May keeps taking these hits. Yeah.

And I thought he got concussed today. The head bounced off the curve. And he shook his head too. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was like, fuck. Because I think he had two last year. And I'm reasonably confident I've seen every single play of his career for the Patriots.

He's had at least four of these now where it's seamless. It seemed like he got concussed. Some guys just seem like they take hits, but I'm starting to wonder, should he wear like the Grogan neck brace to protect his head? But it's just like, that's my one fear with this is these hits that he takes. Of course.

He's such a good scramble. But the protection broke down a couple of times, which was atypical for this team. But for the most part, this is a really good, at the very least, a really good, bad team. And they might even be a good team. I'm leaning toward that.

I think they're actually good. I think they're a good team. Yeah, of course they're a good team. See, I knew that would work. They're a good team. Yeah,

thanks. We are a good team. They're fine. You're going to beat a bunch of bad teams that you're not going to get credit for still. Like, you're going to have 11 wins and two or three of them are going to be good. But I almost feel like everybody's right there with you as I look this over.

But I was wondering how many good quarterbacks have fans that are worried about them like you are, like in terms of their quarterback is going to take a beating. Jackson Dart isn't there yet. But I think the Giants fans are probably terrified he's going to get concussed over and over again with the way he plays. May has at least been more cautious this year. The one today was a little bit

of a fluke. But yeah, look, if you look at the Pat's schedule, the At Buccaneers game Week 10 is probably the toughest game left on the schedule. And they're playing a bunch of crap teams. There's a chance. I mean, they might

play four teams this year that will have fired their coach either during the season or after. Yeah. But they can keep piling up wins. I mean, the one thing with them is Rabel has had big win total seasons before. He kind of knows you just kind of move on in next week, move on in next week. The one thing that was interesting about them this week, some of the quotes, I was surprised, like, they were talking, they're not talking about like, well, if we could make the playoffs,

that would be great. They're like, look, we got to measure ourselves where they're talking about themselves like their playoff team already. Sure. Yeah, they should. It's crazy because they were one and two four weeks ago, but now I think they, I think they know that they're good. Well, they knew they couldn't lose to both the Raiders and the Titans, right?

Like, then it doesn't even matter if you end up in the playoffs. No one's going to. That's the funny. They have two losses. They lose to that shit Raiders team. And that was the worst game, May played all year. And then the Steelers game, then turned the ball over five times. The one thing with Vrable, who I've been fascinated with how he's changed the culture.

that what he did for Remandre this year I thought it was really notable because Ramandre had all those fumbles and it's just he had this fumbling issue for a couple years now and then he had a couple big ones he cost them in the Pittsburgh game and Belichick

I mean the guy would his body just would have been found in Rhode Island like on the side of a highway with like missing ahead it would have cops would have had to Is that the ending him task? Don't tell me the cops would have ID him two weeks later

like he just never would have played for Belmont check again. Sure. And Rable was like, you know, Ramonj had the next game and in the, when they gave the game balls out. And he basically made it clear like, I'm not quitting on somebody who fumbles a couple times. Did the same thing with the kicker.

He set the kicker up for when that kicker made the game winning field goal. Set him up. It was like, I knew you're going to make it. Like, he doesn't bail on these dudes. And I think they really like that. Because you have all these coaches and all these people, just they'll bail immediately on whoever. And he's like the opposite. So I don't know.

feels like there's something really actually happening here. Well, I hope you have the same sunny outlook next week when Ramandre fumbles and you lose to the Browns. Let's see. Well, you know what, Ramandre, he's, you're part of this team and everybody makes mistakes. Is that what Dennis Allen said? You have a culture guy too in Dallas. Yeah. Let's take a break and talk about that quickly. When you support Movember, you're not just fundraising. You're showing up for the men you love. Your dad. your brother, your partner, your friends, it isn't just a men's issue. It's a human one. That's why Movember exists to change the face of men's health. From mental health and suicide

prevention to prostate and testicular cancer research and early detection, Movember is tackling the biggest health issues facing men today. Join the movement and donate now at Movember.com. So here's the thing with the Cowboys season, which seemed pretty grim when you trade to Michael Parsons. You now have a top three most fun team in the league. Yeah. Really, really fun to watch the Cowboys. And the attitude is just that something about the, something's different. So what is it other than that you have two. If you don't move for them, it's fun, right? Like, they're going to score a lot of points. Like, if you had to have a fun Super Bowl or NFC Championship, you probably have Dallas and Tampa and forget the records,

right? Like, you know, that would be probably a fun game. Because, you know, is playing out of his mind. I think he's plus 115 for comeback player of the year. I didn't see odds for offensive player of the year. He doesn't, they won't be good enough for him to win MVP. But I don't know. They're like, I was trying to think like they're like crispy cream donuts. Like they're, they great taste, but you'll get violently ill if you have to have them every meal.

They're going to disappoint your bowels. So, yeah, 4422 is a gigantic win over the commanders. We'll take it. Tough fun for the commanders. Daniels gets hurt. The defense looked awful. Yeah. Some real dark moments on the,

on a text ride with all the people, I bet the commanders versus the Pats. Oh, right. I gave everybody two wins. Dark moments. Who was it, David Chang? What's the thing? Chang, we did a separate bet

where it's a certain dollar number per win over one way or the other. Mm-hmm. So if the Pats go like 13 and 4, or 12 and 5, whatever, and Washington goes like 7 and 10. Plus, I have the plus two because they were two wins lower than the Washington over under. So it could get up there. Chang offered to do a buyout, buyout.

Like a fando a buyout? Yeah, he wanted to do a fando a buyout. And I'm like, he's like, we got to talk about some sort of a deal. And I'm like, the only deal I'm making is with Venmo or PayPal. Wow. So Chang's mad at me now. because I won't do a deal. I'm sorry, I thought I was doing bets with men.

Right. Oh, wow. Look at that. So he's not a man because he offered you a deal. He wanted to weasel out of his Washington Pats thing. Be a man. Stick to 18 weeks. Come on, Chang.

Now I have to leave for Washington. This is weird. Why do you think he's not a man all of a sudden? I don't know. Yeah, I'll probably end up making a deal. I want to stay friends with Chang. He was really upset about the Washington game. He feels like this bet has ruined the season

that they put bad juju on Jada Daniel. Well, he does look in. He looks, I know he's also injured, but he looked like he was playing injured up until then, right? Like the rushing yards are not coming easy. Honestly, he hasn't looked healthy once this season. They look very slow.

I know their receivers are out, right? Like they have no receivers. But last year, they looked so much faster than everybody. and now like to a man and I get it some starters are out but they're just looked very average I mean now they're below average

are they three and four yeah this was a hard under for us yep because there was a lot of like regression stuff with the head their defense was old every year we see this with that there's always an old team that thinks they can you know buck the system

well and they were very lucky guess what old guys get injured is how it goes that's what Chang should know that's a lesson you should teach him as you collect a hundred percent of your bet. I mean, I guess I'm willing to talk a deal with him, but I feel like he should ride it out. Get me next year.

Oh, and then Jacksabill. You have nothing else in the Cowboys? You're playing it cool. You're three and one. I want to play it cool. I would have been a lot more excited, I promise, if they had beaten Carolina last week because now it gets kind of ugly.

You know, at Broncos, we'll go over the lines in a second. they'll have the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Lions, and the Vikings and consecutive games in November. So not pretty. You're minus 340 to miss the playoffs. It's a good bet. I'm going to bet Chang on that. Your win total.

Now, Chang, if you start winning the bet, he won't give you the satisfaction. Oh, I trust it. He demands to settle it. Okay. Seven and a half? What's our win total? Seven and a half, put some juice on the over, minus 125. Okay.

Yeah, they're exciting. I'd rather bet the DAC award stuff. I mean, it was great seeing C.D. Lamb back, right? And George Pickens, I'll say a little more. I feel like he's going to lead the league in defensive pass interference calls, right, against him. Or for him, rather. Yeah. And they're all are, like, they're all legit.

And also he's a great, great number two receiver. Like, the Steelers lift on that. Like, maybe he doesn't fit in their offense. he fits in Dallas's offense really well right now. The smartest thing about that trade and it's something you should always be thinking is like that guy was never with a good quarterback ever, right? You're getting this guy who clearly was talented. I wouldn't have gone near him.

I just thought he was so erratic on the Stovers, but maybe he was erratic because he was losing his mind because his quarterbacks were terrible. Now he's his quarterback who throws, he'll go down the sideline, jump up and put his hands up, and the ball is right where his hands are. three feet over his head as he's fine like it's all the stuff he's good at so he must be like delighted

you think he should be a benchmark for receivers or like their agents like they go out like hey my guy whatever he doesn't put up the great numbers but he's never been with a quarterback who could throw a ball take a look at George Pickens what he did I feel like there's a bunch we could hold off on a couple of those

but they're probably all in the Raiders Devante Adams right now so Dallas does that tie count as half a win I mean, no How does that work on Fandall with like What if, so if you go No

If you go 8, 8 and 1 You still would have to be over 8 and a half wins It's so good So it doesn't count at all No, no But if for the playoffs 8, 8 and 1 is better than I don't know

8 and 9 9, right? Yeah Or 9 7 and 1 is better than 9 and 8 I don't think you're excited enough about the Cowboys You killed Washington You hate Washington.

Come on, the Panthers. That was just unbelievable garbage. They lost that game. And then Jacksonville, 13 penalties, zero sacks, two for 10 on third down, one lost kick return TD on a bogus block in the back. They allowed five touchdowns to Stafford with no picks. And yet another horrible game where if you woke up a half hour late, you heard Rich Eisen and it's already 14 nothing.

and it's like maybe I should just roll over and go back to bed. It could put you in a bad mood for the rest of the day. It's a long NFL day, right? And you're probably going to pick the game wrong, whoever you take. So if you could afford to stay away from it, betting-wise, and do so. Staying away from the winning games,

this show was a great idea. Week 8, guess the lines? We have six-by-week teams, so. Yeah, this is a fantasy from hell week, right? including Jacksonville. I'm not sure if there's any Jacksonville fantasy guy you'd be excited about. Brian Thomas Jr.

I don't know. Pulling John Wayne Gacy on two of my fantasy teams. Las Vegas, they had 95 yards this week, so maybe we don't miss any of those. But we are going to miss some of the Lions. We are going to miss some of the Rams. Arizona, probably not. And then Seattle.

Those are our six ones. So we're losing almost all of the NFC West. Yeah, we're losing three NFC West teams. I don't know if that's happened before and why they did that, but I'm sure there's a reason. Guest lines, what's the record right now? 4-3. You're up four weeks to three.

I think I scratched out a win to cut the deficit, but I don't feel good about this. I know. Short week. Yep. Thursday night, Chargers' home from Minnesota. We'll see if J.J. McCarthy recovers from his high ankle spread. I have the Chargers minus three.

You're going to get it. I said one and a half. I just felt like that's where all these fall with the Chargers. It's two and a half. You know, we probably didn't talk about that Colts game enough. We can talk about it when the Colts, when we do their game. People get mad if we don't talk about their team enough. No, but that one we should have talked about.

What was notable to me with the Chargers was, I mean, Herbert, especially in the last, like, two hours of the game, they were really moving the ball. But their defense was helpless. Like, the Colts would get, like, incomplete shay and running on the ground on first. And it would be second and 10. You'd be like, they're going to get eight yards. They're going to get 12 yards.

Like, up, they're going to get 20 yards. They were moving. It wasn't just that they were getting yards. These guys were, like, wide open. Taylor was just slicing through. It felt like if they could have had the ball more, they could have, like, 50 points. that's the that's what we're missing from this chargers team right from from the first couple weeks to toughness with a harbaw toughness on defense like where is it supposed to be i know there's some injuries there but they yeah i mean they couldn't get off the field on on third down and those colts like i'll say that like i'm never i'm no longer expecting the hammer to drop on them like they'll lose games but no i'm not you don't feel like oh wait till they go to kansas city well wait till they go to buffalo like those are all could be one score games they outscore everyone I thought we had the chargers.

The Colts had had a couple injuries. And I really thought that House and I both thought it was going to be like just a Herbert MVP game. And he was really good in the game and it didn't matter because the Colts were awesome. They have nine, two touchdown quarters in the season. Wow. Where they've scored two touchdowns at a quarter.

Wow. They don't punt a lot. So I think Daniel Jones, so if we have Gino in 22, Baker Mayfield in 23 Darnold in 24 now Daniel Jones in 25 this is the fourth straight year with a A QB redemption

Like if you watch Jones in this game You would think he was one of the five best quarterbacks in the league Yep He was doing everything perfectly Every guy was hit on stride Every deep ball was the right throw I thought he was fantastic

Really good They can't stop scoring I couldn't Really ignore it because Anthony Dubondo is a Colts fan and why he wasn't at that game, I have no idea, but screaming, screaming in our ears every touchdown,

every first down, even. My Indiana Sports Cluster Theory. Sunday Marquis. So, just a weird one, because the Ravens are one in five, but I think this is the game of the weekend. Ravens Bears in Baltimore, playoff stakes for the Ravens.

I think they have to win a couple in a row. And Lamar's back for sure. Mar's back. After watching that Bears team, that's a team they should be able to beat at home. I don't care how banged up their defense is. And I think they're going to be favored by three and a half. That's exactly what I said.

And those are amateur guesses, Bill. It's six and a half. Wow. I mean, it's kitchen sink written all over it. That has to be a record for a one and five team against a four and two team. Yes. A spread that's a,

almost seven is just nuts that is nuts and they they doesn't just because Lamar comes back doesn't mean the defense is fixed right Chicago could throw the ball all over the place in this game I'm not taking Chicago don't worry about it

um this is going in your ringer 107 this is going in your 107 parley this is bet number five for you I'm scared to the Ravens because I think not only Lamar thing but I thought Harbaugh I had a really, really, really rough year so far. And I just don't like the look of them.

So you could bet to, it's probably a stay away from me. You could bet to miss the playoffs, Ravens minus 128, or you could bet the Ravens on a teaser here, you know, or I guess I just said that the other way around. You can bet the Ravens to make the playoffs

that like plus 105, or you could bet a teaser here. I was already looking at a Ravens' Pats combo. It's with the Pats of the Browns. only one watchable game Texans home for the 49ers who despite all the injuries

we didn't talk about them either we jumped the Sunday night game yeah we didn't really talk about that patchwork defense they threw together and then how bad Pennix was just a bad spot right like just a bad everything

awful I don't know what to me To me, he's like, too, when it's bad, you just know it right away and you know it's not going to return for the game. But the Niners, like, you know, kiddo is back. The receivers are going to slowly come back. Purdy will be back, I think, next week. McCaffrey is still one of the five best offensive players in the week,

and somehow they're going to win 10 games. That was a great spot for San Francisco, right? We talk about, let's just talking about our five cross-off teams, which is now six. Aside from those teams, no one is as good or as bad as they look, the week before right so Atlanta just throttles Buffalo cuts off all of Josh's

Allen's lanes he can't run he can't do anything Bijan is going to go for 400 yards if there's like another five minutes in that game there's no way they're going to be as good as that traveling to San Francisco on a short week and the 49ers aren't going to be as bad as they were so that was a nice spot for us but yeah that so now that division

we'll pick the line in a second who do you think's favorite to win the NFC West I would say the Rams barely plus 140 Niners 45 Jesus Seahawks 310 you know the one thing that sucks about doing the picks

on a Thursday is I wanted to see who is going to be playing for the Niners definitely like them but you just don't know like we had the Chargers and Joe Alde I don't think ended up playing but on Thursday it seemed like he was going to play and I'm not positive

I would have been jumping on the charges without Joe Walt. Right. It's almost like we should, I guess we can't do it. Who'd you want as quarterback? You wanted Purdy or Jones? What would have made your commit? I think, no, we didn't know if Kiddo was playing. Oh.

We just, we didn't know who was playing for the Niners. There was like still, we didn't know what receivers were playing. I don't know. All right, Bill, it doesn't matter because let's take a look at our 4K Sky Cam delivered by Walmart Plus. It's Christian McCaffrey who makes a difference on this team. You can't stop CMC, man. They made it National Running Back Day.

We need another national day. What is the cutoff for running backs? I have to congratulate. I don't know. Like is Harrison's flagged football team? Do you have to congratulate all the running backs? I think you should. Next week's tight ends game.

Yeah, Vrabel didn't cut. What's his name? Remandre. That was what he gave him as a gift for national running backs guy. Yeah, you get to keep your job in your locker. This is so weird. We gave, we gave, we gave, who did, who did Mickey give Rocky's locker to? Oh, who was it?

Yeah. And Rocky won't, the Italian, right? Who was it? Wasn't Spider-Riko. No, I guess not. We'll look that up. Can't remember. All right.

Well, I have Texans minus two and a half. McKin Houston. I got this one exactly. It's one and a half unless it moved. It's Houston. TikTok zone. Well, listen, we're going to find out about Houston tomorrow because Seattle's a tough place to play.

I'm not convinced they can run the ball, Houston. I'm not convinced they can block. Seattle's defense, their front seven is going to be really good. And it's the kind of game if Houston has a chance to come back and try to be a playoff team, it should at least be a good performance tomorrow night. I think if they win, it's got to be a low-scoring game. They've averaged 12 points on defense.

19 of 14 type. They play shitty teams, but they are one of the top defenses, and maybe Darnold isn't so successful throwing downfield for one freaking game. I don't know. Fairly watchables. Falcons doffins. I have this as a fairly watchable just because I don't know who's coaching.

It could be DJ Mikey Mac could be back for another week wearing dressed like John Lennon. I have the Falcons minus seven and a half. No paycheck. seven and a half is exactly right.

I said six and it actually opened it six and it's seven and a half. So they saw what did happen that is someone out? Who the hell could be out for Miami to make that go up? Probably just people betting it because I think people saw it. People saw Miami highlights, but Atlanta's own team. Pat's Browns, I had trouble with this. It's either seven and a half or eight and a half. But I went with seven and a half

because I'm not sure people believe in the Pats yet. I wish you would have gone to eight and a half. It's seven. So you get that. Oh, would you have? I had eight. I had eight and a half. I went higher.

That's a teaser. Oh, you're loving it. I mean, I'm over under 16 and a half teasers you have with the Pats on it next week. I just think Dylan Gabriel on the road is a non-starter. Like, he's really going to come in to New England and outdo with Drake May. He's literally a non-starter.

There's a lot of non-starters today. There's a lot of non-starters in the league. What's the deal with Deshawn Watson might come back? Yeah. That he's there, like, is that good? Does that help them? I don't know. I can't figure it out.

By the way, I just noticed, I have my hot rod glass. Oh, good for you. You have a hot rod behind us. Right there. Wait, right. Yeah, right there. Double one. I miss Rodney.

There's some Twitter account that posts old wrestling matches. from the 80s and 90s. I want to say rabbits in the title, but they had the Roddy, the strap, what was the match with Valentine? When he busted his eardrop? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was even too far for wrestling.

That was a lot, yeah. Having two guys with dog collars on, I just don't know there was any way to fake any of that. And apparently there wasn't because he lost... He claimed he had permanent ear damage, and it was true because I have compromised. conversations with him and he'd snap by his ear to try to rejuvenate it. Yeah. Wrestling's real, guys.

Yeah. Eagles Giants in Philly. I couldn't get to seven. I did six and a half. We're going to split it. I could get to seven. I went seven to half. It's seven.

God damn it. Oh, man. It might be simple. I mean, why not teasing that? I'm not putting the Eagles that. They're going to lose twice to the Giants? No. Really?

I don't trust them at all. They can't do the Jalen hurts. I can't do the Jalen Hertz and a tease. Do we think, I mean, isn't it possible that that giant loss was like that Bears lost to Washington and it just everything tumbles now, even though it might be a decent team. Like they just can't now scratch together when after that Denver collapsed. It is possible.

Bills at Carolina. Minus five and a half is my guess with the bills being favorite. I put it right in the Vegas zone. unapologetically. I think I get this. I said six and a half, and it is seven and a half. That,

come on. Why? They have to, if they're all the T's ready, it's like us. They have to. So when they win 21, 20? The bills haven't played a good game yet.

Now, I do think they get their two suspended delinement back though this week, right? Yeah. And probably had all over back. So they have a full defense for once.

Bryce Young is hurt You just think the line's big You don't think Carolina's going to pull off an upset And go four and three right I think Carolina is a pretty good home team They are four and three They're going to be five and three Bill's four and three

No I'm not saying they'll be five and three You know what I like They have two running backs now Like they had Dowdo and Hubbard today They were kind of doing the one two punch It wasn't bad Yeah They would have lost if they played any other game

Any other team today Bucks at New Orleans That's another one Yeah I had Vegas own this I had bucks by four and a half in New Orleans So I get it I said seven and a half

It's six and a half Ooh Well pricey Well Five and one verse one and six They didn't play yet this year Did they? I'm trying to remember

Has there ever been a normal Buck Saints game in New Orleans Does that ever happen? It's been a normal Bucks game in years. I mean, there's no way that game's not coming down on the final two and a half minutes. Just lock that down. Oh, we're redoing the 1977 Super Bowl.

Broncos Cowboys. Yeah. It's in Denver. So I had this as a fairly watchable and I'd like to apologize because this should have been the watchables. Yeah, Denver's offense. It might not be watchable for a couple hours.

But your team is an automatic watchable against any decent team. I had the Broncos in Denver favored by four. I hit this exactly. It's three. I'm doing okay here, two, three, six, five, me. Wow, so you ever see Butch Johnson catch the touchdown pass and just like put it on the goal line?

Yeah, they called it a catch. Like it's phenomenal example how 70s football is different. I remember thinking, what am I, seven years old at that point? Really being upset that it wasn't a catch. it was a catch. It was a touchdown. When he dropped the ball, I thought he dropped it too soon.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. I thought something was fishy about it. Now a coach would beat him up for that. The one that really made me mad was the Mike Renfro play, the Houston Pittsburgh game.

Oh, right, right, right. Because that was basically the play that created replay. Yeah, he definitely caught it, and they just like, they were in the back. Was it a test, years later, with test of birdie? That was when the review stuff started. I don't know when they actually came up with it.

But the Renfro thing, wasn't it in Renfro? That's who it was, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was the fight. I felt like it's swung that one. Poop Fecta two games. Bengals Jets.

Joe Flacco against Tyrod Taylor. I think they might have played together at some point in life. I put this right in the Vegas zone. Bengals by five and a half. Yeah, you're going to edge me out here. I said six and a half. It's four and a half. Oh, still Vegas.

Oh, hold on. a second. Every team should give the Jets seven points. I mean, come on. Enough. What did you think of that Bengals' performance on Thursday night? Pretty good, right? Like, they, I think

Flacco, well, first of all, I think we switch, like, when we're saying Pooka Naku is the greatest wide receiver in the game, if he's not playing, I wouldn't think of betting the Rams. Now it's Chase. Now he's, like, right at the top and, like, doesn't matter. Like, what is he going to have, like,

22 catches in two weeks, it's phenomenal. So as long as those two were there, they're going to score points and they're not on the Jets, that should be a touchdown. Well, it reminded me of what I said 11 minutes ago about Dak and Pickens. Watching Flacco, I don't think Flacko is a very good quarterback anymore, but he is good at that little 20-yard throw-down the sideline, and it just, I don't know, it's just he had come true of those guys.

I thought it was funny that Tomlin campaigned about the trade and then got beaten by it. I didn't get the point of that at all anyway. I got to hand it. I mean, they're about to come up when we do this Sunday night game, but I got to be honest, I thought Rogers was awesome in that game.

It was good. I think the last two weeks, Rogers says, I thought he was done, unabashedly thought he was washed. I thought he's looked awesome. He's very good. Really, really good.

It hurts me to say. Yeah, it makes me wonder, like, what's the ceiling? of that Steelers team because I mean he hasn't looked this good for three years yeah but he looks great it's a great fit for them

he's hitting everybody in stride but again this team goes as far as the defense goes right I think they had like 14 or 15 sacks over the previous three weeks and they only put flacko down twice so yeah that's it man it's going to be a game every time if that happens

Kyle Brand had a really funny thing I saw on TV about how he identifies with Rogers at this point in his life because he's like, dude, typical frustrated guy in his 40s working with a bunch of younger people. She's always put out. Like when that lineman knocked him over, he's like, Jesus Christ. That was ridiculous. Yeah, that was so, you should see the few seconds before that

because he, like, pats him on the head, which even that was like a little rough. And then he, like, chases him down. Like he's, like, trying to pull his wallet or something. Yeah, I don't know. But, uh, yeah, no, I, listen. I did not expect to have an entertaining Rogers, but I thought he was really fun to watch in that game. It's fun, but they're not a lock anymore, right?

Like that made you think, like that division, you probably talked about it Friday, right? No, I didn't. We didn't, I'd tape before that game, so I'd never talked about it. I think that Steward's defense looks fraudulent to me. I thought with the Pats, we moved the ball on them for three and a half quarters.

I just don't think their defense is what people might think of this. And they're both plus 130. to win the North. And the Bengals are 5 to 1. But good, yeah, we'll talk about. Well, one more poop fact of the game. Colts, Titans. It's in Indianapolis.

And I think this is the week for the ultimate respect for the Colts. A giant line. I went all the way up to 13.5. Oh, you're smart. I said 12.5. It's 14 and a half. Yeah.

It's time. After they did today, you got to do it. You got to treat them like they're like a real contender because they are. And they're playing the shitty Titans and they have to be favored by this much. On a scale of your mother-in-law tells a joke to pulling a Norm McDonald's clip online, how hard did you laugh when Cam Ward just dropped that ball? Just dropped it. Just flat out fucking dropped.

I was waiting for it for two hours. But just the way he flings it like a magician. I know you want to. Just drop it here and then get shut out of the way. I loved it. We scored two touchdowns in like 11 seconds or something. Unbelievable. I loved it.

Sunday night, really good game. Stewards Packers in Pittsburgh. And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of talk all week about what we just said about Rogers. Like not just the fact that he's rejuvenated, but playing his old team. This is a fun one. Has he? I can't remember. Did he play the Packers last year?

As a jet? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Right? Didn't they, uh, we got to look this up. I don't remember. Let's slow this down. We can't keep saying, I don't remember what.

Are you sure he played the monster? He must have. I'm almost positive versus Packers. What are you looking at? Oh, oh, oh. Oh, yeah, maybe not. Wait. I don't think he did.

He didn't? No. Well, he's playing him Sunday night. Yep. Yeah, Mike, I just, I can't believe how good Aaron Rogers is. Come on, Mike. I can't believe it, Mike. Tick-Tack zone for me.

Stewards minus one and a half. Oh. Steelers minus one and a half. Yeah. I said Green Bay minus two and a half. It's Green Bay minus three. Then we are tied. Green Bay minus three.

Yeah, they're a better power rank team, right? We just talked about how we didn't trust the Green Bay and what was going on with them. They barely beat Jacoby Brissette today. Both are lacking. Steelers have a little rest. advantage. You know what? This line makes sense

because I'm probably going to bet on the Packers. There you go. Monday night, Chiefs. Wow, this game kind of sucks now. Chiefs home for Washington.

I was off by two points. I probably shouldn't even give you that much, but whoever wins this takes the week. I have Chiefs by eight and a half. What number? Eight and a half.

Shit. I had seven and a half. It's nine and a half. You went. Damn. Come on. Eight seven. nine and a half

there's a lot of that has all the makings of a seven point tease you love it you love it three teamer so we can do chiefs with the Patriots and the Falcons

against DJ Mikey Mack in his last offense game if they'll fire that sounds fantastic and just throw the Colts on there just to have fun as a money line yeah I'm trying to think

so if Simmy So the best two titans on, well, two of the best three, because I thought sweat was good in the game today. But Simmons got hurt and Steve got hurt. So if Simmons doesn't play against the Colts, I don't know if you can make that line high enough. Yeah, you could put Bill Simmons in there. It doesn't matter.

You're going to be fine. That's a disaster of a line. So do we just think that at no point Daniel Jones is going to turn into Daniel Jones? This is just how it's going to go for the rest of eternity? I think you called it exactly. You compared them to those other quarterbacks that stood up, that came out of some pretty much nowhere each year from 21 to 25.

And he's Sam Darnold. So what did they win? 13 games last year? Sam Darnold turned into a pumpkin in week 18 or week 17. Week 18, the last week and then the playoff week. That's fine. That's still a successful year if that happens. Is he a top five?

for you, Daniel Jones, or would you have Taylor as their MVP? I got a look here. Because Taylor should be the number one offensive player. He is. He is. He's minus 140. He's actually minus number now. He's been incredible. Yeah. So Daniel Jones is seventh. Do you put Stafford and golf ahead of him? I thought Stafford's been great. What's Drake Bay now? What are his odds?

We don't have to talk about it. He's seven to one. He's fourth. seven to one he's fourth how the hell did this happen who's who's leading mahomes mohomes plus 175 josh plus 350 baker plus 450 so why would josh be second

what has he done as you know i think he's the best quarterback in the league what has he done this year that would make him the number two MVP like why is he a better odds than drink may no he should when the pats have a better record and they've beaten them already i think they're anticipating i mean i guess you could They're anticipating a Josh run. Well, what is, what's the win totals for either of those teams?

First of all, Baker should have the best odds. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I would argue, Drake May should have better odds than Josh Allen. What do you think the Patriots when projected win total is right now? Oh. 10 and a half? That's exactly right.

What do you think Buffalo's is? What's the record, 4 and 2? Buffalo is 4. And two, yep. Don't cheat. Let me say 11 and a half for Buffalo. Yeah, that's what it is. So I guess that's the only reason he's ahead of him.

What is it for division? For the division, Buffalo is still favored minus 190. Pats plus 155. So you have to win a division. Pats plus 155 is a pretty good bet if you look at their schedule. Because there's a chance. what's like they I think 12 and 5

if they can stay healthy is conceivable with how bad the schedule is which means the bills would have to go 11 and 3 and win the the game in New England

to win the division or 10 and 3 4 and 2 no 8 8 and 3 is 12 I used to be good at math 8 and 3 8 and 3 yeah they'd have to

to go 8 and 3 and win the game in New England. It's so top-heavy. If we beat them in New England, they would have to go one game ahead of us with those two losses. Right.

So New England to win 12 games or more is plus 175. I guess it's about the same thing than as the division, right? It's a little. I mean, honestly, Fando having the, I know they have reasons for this,

but Fandle having the Ravens plus 130 and the Steelers plus 130 to win the AFC North is just bad shit crazy to me. You think the Steelers should be ahead of them? Yeah. Put this way. If you were going to bet your life

on the outcome of that and it's like you're going to die if you're wrong. Would you bet on the one in five Ravens? They're pretty far behind the Ravens. A lot has to go right for them to come back. The Steelers are a way safe for bet. They have to beat them

twice. So they play them twice. They absolutely have to beat them twice. And then the Steelers' schedule gets really weird now. here's the other one so now I'm looking Colts are minus 240 jags are 3 to 1

good luck there I need to bring baby back for the Jags at 3 to 1 good luck and then Houston plus 850 is insane like if anyone's going to win that division it's Houston

that's dumb yeah other than Indy but I would bet Indy minus 240 what's wrong with Eagles Colts minus 109 for a division how about this Eagles, Colts, Steelers,

plus 355. Yeah, that is good. That is good. Now throwing the paths. Now I'm at plus 9-11. You're a lunatic now. Now throw in Tampa minus 425. That's 11 to 1.

Have we ever picked five division winners eight weeks in? I actually have the Cardinals. It's 3707 to 1. I had a future bet. that I, if I had picked Minnesota, if I'd pick Green Bay instead of Minnesota, I think I'd actually have a chance that that was like 23 to 1. Yeah.

Well, you won. Let me ask you this. We were talking about it. Patriots and Bills have at least have 12 wins. Jets and dolphins have 12 losses. Very doable, right? Jets and dolphins, which each have to have 12 losses. 12 wins for the top two, 12 losses.

for the bottom two. I think that's going to happen. I might even say 13, 13 for top two and 13 for bottom two. I want to see for Miami's, Fando has over four and a half for Miami now, plus 110. So that's the 12 or 13, right? Yeah. And then the Jets can't be better than that. Yeah. The Jets are. Yeah, I guess we could just bet it. We could just parlor. Jets are three and a half. Jesus. I'm not better. By the way, the Jets are going to win four games? Like, Yeah. No. Jets under three and a half seems like a lot to me.

We just went over what the ones they could potentially win is two of them. So to make the playoffs, the Pats are minus 420 now. Wow. The Broncos are minus 280. How are the Jaguars minus 162? They are, huh? Do you think the Jaguars are a playoff team? in a million years

did you see them as like a seven seed? So does that mean one AFC North team gets in? That's a lot. So it would be Patriots, Denver, Jaguars those would be the wild car teams. Yeah, I'm looking. So it would be Indy,

Pats, Denver, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Kansas City. Yeah. So basically, they're saying between Chargers, Jacksonville, Cincinnati and Houston. Jacksonville is the most likely. I would rather, I would rather go with Houston, but I guess if Houston loses tomorrow, they'd be two behind them.

Maybe they know something. God, I think Jacksonville, I have so, they were just so awful. I loved them too. Just for the year. And then in the NFC, what's like the perfect? So the Ravens are plus 104, which is hilarious. And the tailors are minus 122. The Ravens aren't grabbing a wild card.

You might as well just take them to get the division. Yeah, you might as well just take the division. And then out of the longer shots, Houston plus 205. Minnesota plus 390 I'm not against as like a crazy wild card. I like Seattle plus 132. Yeah. And then your team plus 260, who knows? Who knows?

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Like what has to happen? Like I feel like I think I have a lot. of tolerance because I know how embarrassing it is for my kids and my wife and everybody else if I lose my shit because that's happened. But when we have like a six run lead and this happened Saturday and then it's a four run lead and then it's a two run lead. And the opposing coach is screaming at his players and screaming at our players and the team is banging on the fence and banging their garbage can. Like I'm fucking I'm gone. That's it. I'm hulking out. I'm turning green right there right there in uh in um in west covina california at 8 30 in the morning i just can't

i can't take it's where the boogie nights house was is that where it was west cov yeah you could should have stopped there after they should have sent me off there yeah wasn't there a suicide there i could uh i mean it was really like i just first of all in little league as soon as you shake a fence or bang it or use a bat to hit a garbage can to root your own team on the umpire goes crazy loses his mind not in this game and it went on for like a half hour. And like, finally, I said to our coach, like, you got to do something. You got to say something.

Like, now everyone's looking at me. Like, I'm the bad guy here. And luckily, they tie it up and we win in the bottom of the sixth on an era. And I'm like, high-fiving the shit out of everybody. Like, it was a big win for me. And like, even my kid is like, I hated those kids, Dad. I hated them. And I'm glad you hated them too.

I'm like, well, I didn't hate them. I just thought there should be better sportsmanship and everything. But what has to happen, I think this leads into your parent corner, but what has to happen for you to No, that this, first of all, thanks for asking. Yes. This is a passionate topic for me. Yeah. I think there's two things that you're allowed to get mad at as a parent, no matter what the age group is.

One is the coach trying to either yell at players on the other team, intimidate them in some way or fuck with them, I think is just out of line. It just shouldn't happen. especially if it's like 13 years and younger. Right. The players on your team should never hear anything from the other coach. There should be a respectful thing. And if that's not there, I think you have right to be pissed. The other, this, I mean, this is more of a soccer thing.

I think it's harder on baseball unless they're, like, throwing at the kids. But if the kids, if there's a physicality where their kids are actually, like, in danger getting hurt and the officials aren't officiating it, correct? I think you have a right to get mad. Okay. Is that your parent? I think I told a parent corner story that time about when we were screaming at the 17-year-old ref and he fled to the 10 after.

But the other team was like, you know, submarining our kids trying to hurt them. Right. And at some point, if you have to like look out for the kids, like the whole goal of any sporting event for kids is can we not have anyone get hurt? Yeah. And if somebody's trying to hurt the other team, like you have to intervene. So those would be my two. What about your first example, though, where the coach is just like yelling things and, you know,

it's not exactly supportive of the other team and then you yell shit back, but then most of the parents are like, hey, you got to be bigger than him. Like, I do, because that just means he gets away with it and keeps getting away with it. Do I have to be bigger than him? I don't think so. I mean, you're talking to a guy who started yelling at the Campbell High Women's High School soccer coach because he was talking shit to our team and we got into it a little bit

on the sidebonds. I think there's got to be a respect level that these coaches are supposed to be stewards. They're supposed to be teaching people and setting some sort of example and if they're doing the opposite, it's just that's when it gets weird.

Good. I don't think you should feel bad at all. I'll consider it out of win. Thank you. I don't think you should feel bad at all. Yeah, I know. I just got a lot of years of this left or maybe not many at all.

What if you got into it with the opposing coach and then you kind of got to a good place? Then he's like, hey, who do you like tomorrow? That's almost kind of happened. What's your wise wager? Give me a winner. We'll make it square. You think you take Simmons tomorrow night and guess the lives? I'll give you three losers.

I really love you guys. Who do you wishing luck to? My parent corner is about my dad and my stepmom. So, you know, they had a dog die last year. They always have two golden retrievers. And anytime one died, because golden retrievers, they go between 10, 12 years old, somewhere in there. They're not really like long-lasters.

And they would always get a second one. They're always girls. They always named them I.E. names. And they've had, since the mid-80s, I think they've had like seven or eight golden retrievers, maybe eight. So Sally dies last year. sally with an I.e. So only when he's left. And my dad is going to be, you know, 78 this next month. So my wife and I are like, you can't get another dog. You just can't. You can't. You can't do it.

You can't do it. They're like, no, no, no, we won't. We won't. So then gets to like January. We had some Simmons family stuff. Like, you know, my dad's sister passed away. So, They were like in between that and the dogs, some other stuff. Like all of a sudden they decided to get a second dog, almost like just to try to change the karma of this situation, which I understand. But my dad is 77 and should not have a puppy. And so they tell us we're FaceTime in them.

And they're kind of excited about it at this point because they're about to get a puppy, which I understand. And they tell us. And my wife and our faces dropped. My wife's like, you can't, you got to cancel it. This is crazy. And they're, like, devastated that we're so upset. We're like, you guys haven't had a puppy in eight years.

Like, you forget, like, how hard this is. Like, you can't, like, we wouldn't want a puppy now. We're in our 50s. And so anyway, they decide to get the puppy anyway. Then they get the puppy, the name the puppy Ruby, super cute. The puppy is, like, a freaking maniac. The all time, so now the puppy's like eight, eight and a half months old. So when I was in Boston, I was going to see them, and my dad is like just making jokes.

Like, can you take, can you take Ruby with you on your way back to L.A.? Like, kind of serious. Oh, no. Can you take her? And my stepmother's getting mad about it. And it's, it's just dominated their life. Like, Zoe has a game. They have to, like, rush out after it because the dog's been in the crate for two and a half hours.

dog gets out. I was over there the other day. In 10 minutes, she hurt me three different times. Like, she crashed into my knee. She left this long scratch over my chest. She jumped over a couch. Like, she's in absolute, they're in a condo. Like, she's just a maniac.

And they have to walk her all the time. They got to walk her in the morning. And they just didn't listen to us. And I think I might have a chance to get this dog because of my parent corner. Oh, good for you. Yeah. I might just actually just kidnap her

and I tell them. Oh, before, okay. All right. Because I actually really like this dog. No, it's, I made the joke there and my stepmother got really upset about it and was like, no, no, no, this is, there's no way we, these are our dogs and, and I could just see my dad. It's like the all time, why did we do this? Right, right, right. Maybe the dog will settle down, I don't know, but I just wanted to say this as a PSA to the,

to the parents out there who have parents. Yeah. I think what's the cutoff age for maybe you shouldn't get a dog? Well, so that's what, I wasn't sure where you were going with it. So was it the hardship of caring for a puppy was bothering you or that the dog was going to outlast them and you think that would be a bummer? Oh, no, no, no, I'm not worried about the outlasting part because I think they're going to be fine.

Oh, so if they had a four-year-old dog, you would have been okay. It's the rigors of the puppy. Right, right, right. It's like having a baby. Yeah. Like, this is, like, dominating your life. You can't leave. You have to constantly, if you're out for two hours, you've got to rush back.

You're up in the morning. They're peeing all over the place. They get UTIs. Like, it's just never ending. So you want to create a sliding scale where like a 60-year-old parent could get a puppy. But once you hit 70, the dog has to be like four or five years old if you're going to even get one. So my stepmother's younger than my dad. So that might be the only way they have some wigger room with this.

But I'm going to say if either parent is over 75, no dogs? No, I think there should at least be somebody should come to the house, like if you're adopting a foster child or something to like meet the family and make sure. Like ask my dad like, well, how many steps do you walk a day? And my dad's like, steps. Right. I mean, I walk from the couch to get a ginger rail and I come back. What do you mean steps?

It's a nice walk for a dog. I walked three blocks to go to a restaurant the other day. No, I think 75, I think there should be there should be somebody that comes to the house. Make sure. That's a good idea. I like that. I think that's good.

They kept little Ruby in the kitchen. And my dad would sit in the kitchen with her. And this was like for six months. And they wouldn't let her out in any room, other room in the house because she would pee all over the place. So I think that's partially why. She's so crazy. So my wife and I, we joke that she's the Breed Larson character in room.

Remember? Brie Larson was stuck in that room for eight years. So anytime she gets out of the room, it's like, daylight, trees, ah, and just loses it. So it's partially their fault. She's, uh, she's, uh, she's Rube Rie Lysen. Rebrilarsen? Rebril Larson? Rubey Larson, yeah, that's it.

So anyway, 75. But it's the only thing. Like some, if your mom adopted a dog right now, what would your reaction be? But forget it. It would be like it is with everything she does. So I would lose my mind. But, but some older people want to have their, life dominated by something.

You know what I mean? Like they don't, if you're not active in everything, like, all right, I just want something that controls our lives. This is like a monkey wrench. Let's do it. It's fine. You know, we'll get through it, even if we have to stay home most of the time or whatever.

I don't know that your dad's like that in his wife, but that is part of it. I think that's what he thought before, before crazy Ruby got in there. On the bright side, Boston Blue started on Friday. My dad was pretty excited. Oh, nice. New CBS lineup.

last week. All the new shows premiered. And Boston Blue with Donnie Wahlberg. Donnie Wahlberg's character came back to Boston. Nice. So we had that. Anyway, I'll keep you posting on Ruby, though. I'm going to say she's minus 300 to make it to the end of the year in their house.

I might just have to put her in a suitcase. Well, your dad listened to this? You might listen to this. And I'll show him. We're keeping them for another two months. They might get upset. It's fine. Because we told them.

Right. You said this all. You can't. Or if you're going to get a dog, adopt a house-trained dog that's like a year-old, and then you skip. That seems like the thing. Like, why do you think he wanted a puppy? Like, it's just a golden, it just has to really be a golden retriever.

Yeah. Ultimately, right? So when we got Murph, who turned five today, by the way, happy birthday to Murph, it was COVID times. And we were home a lot. Right. And we were able to, but even that was like a complete nightmare. I don't know if I'd be able, even at my age, go through the puppy thing again. Yeah.

Yeah, we have a COVID dog Same kind of thing, yeah It's a lot How old are your dogs now? Well, I just have the one And he was a COVID dog And he got hit by a car in Mexico And my cousin Katie,

Jimmy's daughter, rescued him And then we took him from her And yeah, he can't see He doesn't bark, He doesn't acknowledge us He doesn't like to be packed I like that dog

I mean, it's barely a dog So But you wouldn't get a puppy though No, no, no I wouldn't at my age What am I? I'm not 70 yet, am I? I might be there.

Yeah, but you live in you're in South Bay. It's like nice to walk the dog around. Yeah. A lot of dogs down there. All right. Fine. I'll get a dog.

Just get a dog. One of us needs to get a dog just for a parent corner because I can't even do. I mean, if I did parent corners about my son, it would be like about the 30 second interactions I have with him when he's miraculously home. I thought you were going out. I'm going out right now. A certain soccer game you saw this weekend, but you kind of alluded to it. It's fine. No, we saw, I came back, saw two wins.

Yeah. Oh, you thought I was going to talk about Mount Holyoke strategy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they parked the bus for two hours. I never seen a team parked the bus in a zero-zero game. Just play for a zero-zero time. Well, it got chippy too, right? Yeah.

A little chippy, but, you know, it's college soccer. You think somebody's going to try to score a goal. That's fun. You can watch college athletics. You have to fly out there because you murdered that app that would once show the games. They went under. You know that out? Flow?

First of all, the Flow Sports. What happened? I've definitely heard from some people that work for them. Okay. Or they're urging that they're going to... Oh, you're going to get all those always games in 4K now. This is going to be fucking ridiculous. Well, it turns out that there were more disgruntled parents than just the parents of my team.

I think was what we learned. But listen, I'm going to give them a chance to rectify everything. We'll see how it goes. I think this is how they rectify. Like, hey, Bill Simmons said parents will pay anything to watch their... kid. So we're raising the monthly feed of $1,500. $15. Oh my God. We'll see if it works. There's two big games this week. Hopefully it's going to work. Anyway, that's it for a parent corner, which was brought to by Scout Motors. Join the

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That's good. Yeah. They can take care of each other. Yeah. Dogs is a different story. But, yeah, kids. Probably worse is when they're like, I have a 15-year-old and 11-year-old. Yeah.

Oh, my God. What are you going to do with those? Yikes. Or anything under four is a nightmare. Yeah. All right. So you're Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, ringer gambling show? Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

And the Sunday pre-game show. Let me give you a couple basketball. You tell me what you think here. Oh, let me hear it. So bonus plus 20 plus points per game. He had 19.1 last year, plus 270 for that. I feel like he's healthier. He went from 38% to 41% shooting from the continued success from three is one of the biggest X factors, I think.

That's what you're leading with us. Some bonus points per game prop is your number one? That's it. Wow. Okay. You don't like that one? Plus 270? That's odd.

He was at 19. He just gets 20. Ann Edwards, most threes per game, also plus 270. He lost to Steph 4.4 to 4.1. Isn't there a world where Steph doesn't qualify? Give me plus 270 and Edwards. And you were wrong. I listened to all four hours of your thing.

Good. Great to learn that Cooper flags are generational talent. Wow. I don't know where you're getting that insight anywhere. But no. Pistons, I like it over. You don't like 50 plus at plus 182. Bicker staff.

This is how he turns a team around. I don't. That's your favorite one. Duncan Robinson. That's an improvement, I think. Right? Cunningham, top 10 player. You really don't like that.

like that under. Someone in the East asked, I know you have your picks for the East, but that was mine to get the gap plus four wins on their total. They do, I would rather personally do Milwaukee if you're going to bank on one of those teams from that division as like the better than you think team. Okay. I think Milwaukee's going to be good. They put a bunch of specials up, ringer futures on NBA.

Oh, yeah. And they have some good ones. like Indiana to win 35 plus games and make the play in plus 164 the bucks and Celtics to both make the playoffs plus 152

but they had a whole bunch of them but I sent them I sent them a slew of them and they put our favorite win totals there's some action what did you make us do that boy that I don't like the division bets

but the one you laid out was like even money and it really looked good what was it Nick's Thunder Caves Knicks Thunder Cavs for the division that was even plus one and nine

30 or something. That was better than that. Yeah, it was plus 120. I really like that one. That's good. Yeah, we did that one. I roped you guys into another one. Yeah.

Yeah, you're excited. This is good. Football's over for you. Look at you. There's your picture right there on the page there. You're wearing a suit. About to adopt a dog. This is fun.

NBA star, and this is our time right now. Yeah. Who do you have for Game 7 of the World Series? We have the World Series? I mean, of ASCS. Boy, it's going to be hard for Toronto to lose now. I know they don't really... I had Seattle, so I'm going to have to hedge here.

It's Bieber against Kirby, but these guys are going to go like three innings. I'll take Toronto slightly. I'm going to go against myself. But the Dodgers, they're minus 122 Toronto. That's a fun way. You got two Monday night games and the baseball all at once. The problem for Toronto is if it's a nail biter. Yeah.

I don't like their relievers. Yeah, yeah. If it's like a 4-3-5-4 type game. But, you know, I went into the Dodgers pick saying I don't like their relievers, and didn't even see the relievers. Never, I don't even know if they have any on the roster. Unbelievable. Yeah, crazy. All right, Cus, good job by you.

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