The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Dallas/Dak Blues, Dobbs Follows, Buffalo in Trouble, Stroud’s Wild Season, and Week 10 Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Eagles' win over the Cowboys, Josh Dobbs taking over the Vikings offense and beating the Falcons, a Raiders bounce-back win, and Patriots-Commanders (1:35). Then, they talk Chiefs-Dolphins, Bills-Bengals, Seahawks-Ravens, and C.J. Stroud's incredible performance in the Texans' win over the Buccaneers (23:11). Next, Bill and Sal guess the lines for NFL Week 10 (45:04) and close the show with Parent Corner (1:13:28). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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because his Cowboys shat the bed again, but he hit all of his picks on the Ringer Wise Guys show. And I guess the question is, what do you care more about? Being right and winning money? Or your favorite team in the laundry that you've rooted for your entire life? I thought it was being right and winning money because, like you said, I made money today. I went five for five. I was up like 14 units on Ringer Wise, guys.

My fantasy teams were good. I called the exact score, Simmons, of the Colts-Panthers game. I only gave out one score, and that was 27-13 Colts and I'm beyond miserable because my team let me down again. I freaking can't stand it. I really hate it. It's the same thing over and over. You're at a nice spot because you have

low expectations. That's exactly where you want to be as a fan. I'm in a great spot because I have one of the best tanking weapons that I've had in a long, long time. And his name is Mac Jones. And when in doubt, he can always count on some sort of pick. Today's game ending pick wasn't his fault, but for the most part, he's just going to miss throws all over the place. I mean, he just had a classic Mac game. I guess here's

my problem with you guys, with the Cowboys. So today you have 27 first downs. You're over 406 yards. I didn't think the Eagles played that well, right? And yet, at the end of the game, when you had a chance to grab it by the balls, I just didn't think it was going to happen.

I thought, I didn't think Dak was going to do it. And, you know, he steps out of bounds on the two-point conversion. It's like, oh man, that happens. I see that happening. You see it happen with a defensive end. You see it happen. You should have niftier feet. And Dak wants it. I just don't know what happened. Yeah, that's the thing. It's just the little moments like that. It's like the delay game at the worst possible time. It's the stepping out of bounds

when he didn't really need to on the two-point. It's like the delay game at the worst possible time. It's the stepping out of bounds when he didn't really need to on the two point. It's, you know, missing the guy over the middle on the key third down. He just, he's not quite there. And sometimes it feels watching on the giant TV, like the moment starts getting big for him. Like you kind of see it in his face. Am I imagining that? No, I think you're right.

And he had a great game by all counts. If you look at those numbers and I'm trying to, I don't know what to compare it to, but he had like 35 decisions to make, right? He probably had more when you really break it down, like within plays, he had three decisions, and the last three are always bad. It just sucks because I want this team to prove to me like one thing, like, all right, they could hang with the big boys. All right. They were out physical by the 49ers. Is the same thing going to happen with the Eagles? You're probably right. The Eagles didn't play their best game,

but at least they did hang with them. They didn't go away after the first half where it seemed like they would, but it's always the same damn ending. I've seen this ending. Like Mike McCarthy, come out with a new album. I'm bored of these songs already. Enough.

We've seen it. So they didn't prove anything to me other than they could blow a game at the end of which I already knew. Well, there was that fourth down play where it seemed like he had Ferguson wide open over the middle and Ferguson, the entire game was getting open for seven, eight yards, just over and over and over again. I'm like, oh, they're going to run the play where Ferguson or CeeDee Lamb goes over the middle and catches it. And instead he goes to your fourth receiver who's completely, he has a guy draped all over him. And it's just, I don't know, man, it felt like talent wise, you're right there because this Eagles team, they're eight and one.

And I feel like I've watched, I don't know, 80% of their games, maybe 85%. And I never feel like they're awesome. It always feels like, even there, reminds me of those Patriot seasons where they would have a good record, but I kind of knew it wasn't a Super Bowl team. They just can't, they have these little holes. They never seem to have momentum.

It's always like they're laboring through these games. Teams are always hanging around and they feel really beatable. I think in general, I think the NFC is as winnable as it's been since you had Dak at least, right? There's no breakaway team.

I agree. I just hate... I think being disappointed is the worst feeling, probably for anything, as a parent or anything else. But as a fan, I'm disappointed in these guys and Dak because I know he has talent. I know he's good.

You can't really be disappointed in Derek Carr or Baker Mayfield, right? Guys like that, like, oh, boy, you're not going to overvalue. They don't disappoint you. They're okay. But Dak, you see all the potential. It's like, damn it. Two bad decisions again. Why is he running? Why is there a quarterback draw with 27 seconds left and no timeout?

You got a gift first and goal from the six. You could have even gotten a first down at the one. It just disgusts me. I don't know what to say anymore. Yeah, he's like those movies that you feel like, oh man, that movie was pretty close to being really good. Yeah. And then they just cast the wrong person in the spot or they had this stupid subplot that went sideways.

I guess if you're going positives, I thought your defense played well. Ferguson and him emerging as like a real guy, I think is the most important thing that's happening to you as you head to the second half of the season.

Because my question with you is always, all right, if I double CD Liam, where are you going? Right. And Ferguson now is turning into this guy who can make these eight to 10 yard catches and get open. I think Dak's starting to trust him.

You're playing them again in week 14 on Sunday night in Dallas. And if you're hanging around and you're within a game there, you can start talking yourself back into it. But the question is, does Dak have it? Does the Dak-McCarthy combo have it? Do you trust the two of them to... It's going to have to be four straight rounds in the playoffs

because it doesn't look like they're going to be able to pass Philly at this point. Do you trust this nucleus to win four straight games? Exactly. I'm like, what am I getting excited about? There's only one team that gets a bye. Everybody else plays January 14th weekend, right? So, all right, we're 5-3. They're

8-1. I start looking at the schedule. We should, really should win the next three. Giants, Carolina, Washington on Thanksgiving. Philadelphia schedule, I know you've looked at it. Yeah, miserably hard. Chiefs, Bills, at the Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, and then back at the Cowboys, and then at Seahawks

after that. So I don't even know if we want to catch up. I'm just sick of this feeling of getting right there on the doorstep and getting kicked in the teeth. Well, you caught a huge break with the Giants game next week. Yeah, it's because their season got massacred. We'll talk about it later. I think Carolina, Bryce Young threw two pick sixes today. Washington, it seemed like they were trying to tank today, but the Pats kind of out-tanked them. And then Seattle seems like they're headed the wrong way. So you might be nine and three by the time you put you, what's your record now? Five and three, right? Five and three, yeah. Yeah. You might be nine and three by the time you see them again. And then as you said with Philly,

maybe that Buffalo game isn't as hard as it seemed two months ago, but the at KC is going to be tough. Home San Francisco is going to be tough. Maybe they blow one of those. So you might be hanging out. Flipping to the Eagles for a second, what's missing with them?

You had to root against them and the whole thing. What were you afraid of today and what were you not afraid of? I don't know. I was just... We're on a text chain. Raheem said it the best. He's like, unless Hertz gives you a gift like he did to the Jets, the game's over. They're just going

to pound you. Now, I know we had a chance at the end, but I do feel like it's first and eight. It's first down and eight. We're first down and seven. Right. They need eight yards and three downs. That's it. Maybe even seven now because like it's first and eight. It's first down and eight. We're first down and seven. Right. They need eight yards and three downs. That's it.

Maybe even seven now because if it's second and three, they're just going to pound away and push away and everything else. And four guys are going to move at once a half a second early and no one's going to call it. Yep. I'm bitter. But yeah, so I think, I think they're fine. Maybe, maybe a better running game beyondts, but I don't know.

They still went over 100 yards between four guys. I don't know. I'm not sure. I guess the pass rush wasn't there. Did I say that right? They only got the back five times. Well, they gave you... You gave them the ball back with six minutes left.

And I thought it was a really interesting moment for the Eagles because it's like, all right, they two first downs, the game's over. They immediately three and out, gave it back to you. Then that comes down.

You give back to them again. It's like, all right, now this time they're going to end it. No, another three and out. And I just thought, Hey,

you know, we, we, we have learned over the years not to overreact in early November yet. But I just thought it would have been nice for this Eagles team to just have that five-minute drive to close it. Like, all right, not only did we stop these guys, we fucking ran the ball down their throats. We finished the game. And that was that.

That is one thing. That's what I was expecting. Yeah. They didn't do it. I just don't think there's a great NFC team this year. And even though there's going to be some stuff that, you know, some teams will get better. Detroit, now that they'll have all their weapons back for the second half of the season,

they'll be a little more interesting. San Francisco, you figure they'll be healthy at some point. NFC South, everybody out of there. But it's really probably we're down to four teams unless Minnesota is just the miracle team this year. Yeah, I think like as fans,, if you don't root, right? So the Eagles, as a fan, you deserve to see them in the Final Four in the NFC. That's the only team I'd put in there right now because the 49ers are struggling.

Maybe throw the Lions in there. And the AFC, we'll get to it. But Cincinnati, Baltimore, Kansas City, I think they need to be in the final four. Everything else, Miami, Buffalo, whatever, let them sort out who's good. I can't even tell anymore between those teams. So can you walk us through what your text chain is like with your close Dallas fans?

Are you texting during the fourth quarter? What's happening? Yeah, it's not pretty. You have your couple of Dallas fan friends that you've had for like 30 years. I do. Parley kids with me. What's happening? You have your couple of Dallas fan friends you've had for like 30 years. Parlay kids with me. What's happening on that thread? It's bad. It's mostly complaining about referees.

I'll say that. Holding calls that didn't work out. You know me. I'm like a child. So I'm like, I will say though, can we let's please. I used to think the pylon was the one thing I wanted to change when the balls fumbled at the pylon as far as rules. Please figure out uncatchable.

You got referees calling pass interference and the ball's landing eight yards over the head out of bounds. That's uncatchable. You know what else is uncatchable? A running back who's four yards past the hold. That guy's uncatchable. The guy being held theoretically is not going to catch him. So let's redefine uncatchable and really make it work

for the fans. I would love to figure out the defenseless receiver thing if we're just trying to figure out stuff. Because there's times where I just don't know what the safety is supposed to do. If you're going to throw the ball over the middle right into a safety, guy's probably going to take a hit. And if the guy's going to hit him with his shoulder, you know, into the chest, and he nails him and the receiver didn't see it coming, they're now calling that an unnecessary roughness, defensive, defenseless. I just don't get it.

Like at some point, the safety has momentum. He's going forward. I don't know how you're supposed to tackle this. There's nothing they could do. You talk to these players, it's like there's absolutely nothing we could do. It's moving warp speed. Yeah, and the quarterback lowers his level,

and it's going to seem like a helmet to helmet, even though the defender didn't mean to launch at his helmet. Well, the most entertaining NFC game today was Vikings-Falcons. Yeah. Which I had the Falcons minus three and a half. I was so delighted to bet against the 25-year-old BYU quarterback. He gets nailed trying to get in the end zone. It's so funny how the guys who don't play that much

always end up taking the worst hits. It's like they forget how to protect themselves. He gets nailed immediately. It's like, here comes Josh Dobbs. Craig Horlbeck on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, he had a joke this week about how Josh Dobbs is the evil being in a horror movie that needs to find a host body to keep living. And he's like, he was living in Cleveland, and then he found Arizona's host body.

And now he's found the Minnesota. So this guy gets nailed, and it's like, oh my God, he's found the Minnesota host body. He comes in, and I'm immediately like, I'm going to lose my bet. I don't know why I didn't just lie bet Minnesota. It was like Josh Dobbs. He hasn't been there all week. He said after the game, he didn't know everybody's name. He hadn't had a rep with a single receiver.

He didn't know any of the plays. None of it mattered. He's just bringing them up and down the field. He has seven scrambles for 60 yards. They lose Osborne during the game because he gets killed in the aforementioned the guy hits him, knocks him, and he goes down. They call it, but he doesn't come back. Justin

Jefferson's gone. They can't run the ball and none of it matters because they have Josh Dobbs and he's just coming down late. Not only does he spoil the Falcons cover, but they win and they are now five and four and you could make a case. They might end up being the sixth seed with Josh Dobbs. Jefferson's coming back soon, right?

Yeah, we talked about that. I thought it was going to be Colt McCoy because he had dealt with O'Connell for like three years. But Josh Dobbs, I was like, all right, that's serviceable. I have the Vikings to make the playoffs. And by the way, before this week, it was plus 225. To get that seventh seed, all they're going to compete with is Tampa and Atlanta who we saw today. We think nine

wins is the seventh seed, right? Nine and eight, 35 and four. Yes, I don't know what the odds are now, but Josh Dobbs is definitely, you look at his numbers, they're as good as Derek Carr and Baker Mayfield, all those guys he's going to compete against. I think the thing that you forgot is Taylor Heineke is on the other side,

no matter what, no matter who the Vikings put in there. No matter who Atlanta has that quarterback, the guy's going to have at least one horrific turnover that's going to sway the momentum of the game. Minnesota has home New Orleans, at Denver, home Chicago, and a bye week. Honestly, that feels like at least seven and five, and maybe they even beat New Orleans. Then after the bye at Vegas, at Cincy, home Detroit, home Green Bay at Detroit.

And that Detroit game might mean nothing. Yeah. Detroit might be locked into the number two seat at that point. And that might be, you know, they don't, they're not playing anybody. I do think it's possible. I got to say, I love the Josh Dobbs story. I think it's my favorite story. If the Pats had signed him five weeks ago and he was leading the Pats out of the top five in the draft and tore to seven, I'd be going nuts right now.

He's so much fun. Look, we need an inspiring quarterback story. It was Geno Smith last year. So let it be Josh Dobbs this year. We crap all over the bad quarterback. We saw some bad performances today. Arizona put up zero. The Giants put up six.

It's a laughable situation there. There's so many teams that almost got shut out. The Rams put up three. So we might as well embrace a Josh Dobbs. It's fun to watch him. I'm going to throw this out. Kyle, turn the TikTok camera on. Is playing quarterback overrated?

Like Josh Dobbs, literally didn't know the names of any of his teammates and just goes down and wins a football game on the road in Atlanta. Is it overrated? I think memorizing names is overrated.

He's basically playing pickup. Just goes right in. Maybe we overrate. We always say, oh, quarterback. It's the most typical position to play. It's so hard. It's like flying a plane. Maybe not. Maybe it's super easy.

Maybe you just have to go in and they just say in your headset, like, all right, Josh, you're throwing to Addison on this one. He's going to be on the left side. All right, cool. Next play. All right, you're going to hand off on this one. Cool. Great. He did it. Maybe it's easier than we think. I think so. I think that and Cal smoothies

all the time, 24 hours, seven, take huge pay cuts to benefit the team and make your coach look good. And that's it and all that other stuff. Yeah, what did they say today? Joe Burrow, Collinsworth is praising him. And it's like, you know, he goes to bed at 8 o'clock at night. And I don't like that. That, to me, turns me off.

I was like, Joe was super cool until I found out he's missing so much good TV going to bed at eight o'clock at night. Eight o'clock? He can't bang out? I don't know, season one of Mad Men before he goes to bed? Not happening. Nothing? Not unless he just wakes up and does it. How much sleep does he need? Yeah, that's a good question. When does he wake up? do you think these people that get crazy amounts of sleep like that, they actually have it figured out and we don't like they sleep longer, but then when they're awake,

everything moves way slower and for them. So that time slows down. Cause I only sleep like six hours. Maybe I should flip it around. Well, we always think that like the CEOs, the popular, like Disney CEOs,

they, they were, you, you have a theory. They were really nice. They were nice shoes and they wake up at five in the morning. Right. Yeah. Like four 30 and they like, they wear, you have a theory, they wear nice shoes and they wake up at five in the morning,

right? Yeah, like 4.30 and they go and use a rowing machine and watch sanitation work. CNBC.

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I guess it depends when you wake up

is the answer to that question. Maybe that's what Josh Dobbs is doing. If he's sleeping 8 p.m. to noon, I think there's a problem. Well, that game was, I'm going to say,

a bad beat for me. I've been on the wrong side of a lot of those. The Bengals game? The Falcons game. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I've been on the wrong side of a lot of those. I did have, though. I did win the Philly game today

because Dak stepped out of bounds in the two-point. So we always do the bad beats, whatever. I feel like I'm batting 80% on being on the wrong side of those. Houston today was another one we'll talk about. People are very upset with Houston. People are very upset with them.

Staying in the NFC, Raiders-Giants. You called that. Good call by you there. Very nice. Daniel Jones blew out his ACL. Good call by you there. Very nice. Well, I mean, Daniel Jones blew out his ACL. New coach theory hits again. After Jeff Saturday, I'm just betting that blindly for the rest of my life. It's just like when somebody comes to your house and they say, I made a sweet potato casserole. It's like, I'm eating it. That's all you needed to say. I'm blinding on sweet

potato casserole the rest of my life. New coach theory, especially when you read all week about how much they hated the old coach. Jay Glazer had a story today about how Antonio Pierce gave this whole, did you see that whole thing? Antonio Pierce gave a speech about the 07 Giants and blah, blah, blah, and how they showed heart and we should show heart like that. And he finishes and McDaniel's like, don't ever talk about the Patriots that way again. And the team got mad. And it just seemed like people just absolutely hated McDaniels.

The team was already mad at McDaniels. He made that speech on behalf of McDaniels to kind of curry favor, get him back on their side. And even after that, he's like, we don't want to hear about the Patriots. Like, all right, jerk. Unbelievable.

I think he lost the job when he started Brian Hoyer over O'Connell a couple of weeks ago. So when he did that, that was just like, you have no foresight at all. You like, what are you trying to do? Is Brian Hoyer going to bring you to the, you know, the AFC championship game, find out what you have in the young guy who was look great in the preseason. So O'Connell plays today and he's great on the flip side. Jones blows out his ACL. So now that takes some probably to next year where you don't, it's November now that's like a 10, 11 month injury. He might not be ready for any part of training camp.

Tommy DeVito goes to get his shine box. He comes in and they fall apart. I think the giants have had the worst season from hell of any, of any team. They've had the worst losses. They've had the worst luck. They're the least fun to watch. Their season started with you guys killing them 40 to nothing or whatever that final score was. They didn't have a chance. They've lost two games they should have won in the last four weeks. And now they're in the running

for Caleb Williams. But who the hell wants Caleb Williams? He's falling apart. I think you're right. And I want to say there are worse teams than the Giants but with not the same right. And I want to say there are worse teams than the giants, but, but with not the same story, I don't know that there are worse teams than the giants. I don't know if the bears or the,

the Cardinals are worse than the giants, the Panthers, I guess we'll see soon enough, but yeah, that is a train wreck of a, of a organization there. And it's funny how it worked out for the rate is how often does an owner. He's out $55 million.

Mark Davis, on this deal. If you had to give your pool guy two weeks severance, you'd never hear the end of it. Well, Vegas is 4-5 and they play the Jets at home next week. They might be 5-5. They have Miami and KC. They have Minnesota, the Chargers, KC

again, Indy, and Denver. They're somehow lingering in the playoff race. This team looked like they were rock bottom. I thought they looked pretty good today offensively. I thought O'Connell was good. I know Daniel Jones went down. I guess so. I don't know how much you can count it, but you're right.

You called it. I think that's a good theory, the new coach theory. I also think we traded everyone. We're giving up theory, which is what Washington did against your team. They trade Montez Sweat. They trade Chase Young. And everyone's like, oh, they're giving up on the season.

Well, you know, it's not giving up. Everyone else who's on the team steps up usually in that situation. That's what commanders did. That was the first ever double tank game where I was convinced both teams were trying to lose it. And we had Mack Jones who now has 10 touchdowns and 10 turnovers on the year, but we had remand rate was running the ball. Yeah. He had nine carries for 87 yards. They just stopped handing off to him. This is today was the first day I was like, we might actually be trying to lose these. The Pats gave up 432 yards. They gave up 23 first downs. They suspiciously benched

two of their cornerbacks for the first couple plays. JC Jackson was like, I have no comment. I don't know. Keep an eye on the Pats. They're now 2-7. Let's take a break

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Sign up now. Just search Movember. All right. So in the AFC, you mentioned we have Baltimore and KC and Cincy kind of levitating above everybody else right now. The day starts off at 630 in the morning Pacific time with one of the best matchups we've ever had on foreign soil. A bizarre game. Chiefs

go up 14-0. Tyreek, this weird fumble that gets returned for a touchdown that, you know, Raheem has this theory. Raheem, who you're on Wise Guys with, who's on the Ring of Gambling show. He doesn't think things are fixed, but he does feel like

there's A-side teams and B-side teams and that the calls go certain ways for the marquee teams. It certainly, we certainly got to feel with the Pats a few times over the years when we had Brady. But it was one of those where it was like, this gets overturned every single time. How is this a touchdown? It didn't seem like he had the ball long enough at all.

The fumble was dubious. So 21-0, Then Miami comes back. They shut down KC completely, and they have a chance to tie the game. It was 21-14, and the Chiefs finally get a stop. This was a defensive struggle between two teams that

we thought had these potent offenses. I didn't know what to make of it. What did you make of it? Mahomes thinks this is in the postgamegame interview, said, and whatever, this is what you're supposed to do in support of your current team. But he said this is the best defense he's ever played with. And he might be right. I mean, when you hold this Dolphins team to, what, 175 passing for Tua and 117,

like, less than 300 yards, this Dolphins team, it's just been dynamite. I think he might be right about that. I don't know. This is a good team. This Chiefs defense for sure. Yeah, I don't know what the competition is for that title would be the only kind of slightly dickish thing I would say.

Oh, for the Chiefs? It's not like he was on the 85 Bears before this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had Chris Jones and Frank Clark. Yeah. They get stops. This is different. I thought that,

I said last week to you, I thought the Pats defense did pretty well against Miami. I don't think they have a good offensive line. I think they figured out how to gimmick it in a lot of ways,

but the longer the game goes on, you can really push on them. 35 points. What was the over-under for that game? I'll find it in a second. It was over 50, right? Wasn't it like 50?

51.5. 51.5. A close on Fandle. Never was close to getting there. I like Miami. I like watching them. I don't really take them seriously as a Super Bowl contender. I don't think they have a good enough offensive line, and we

really haven't seen them beat anybody. They lost KC. They got waxed by Buffalo. I don't know. I just... Ramsey came back, so maybe that's... They're bullies. They're bullies, right? They're Daniel

LaRusso, and the Cowboys are... Who's another bully? Who's another TV bully? The Eagles by 14-2. Yeah, the Cowboys are the NFC version of the Dolphins. At some point, they're going to have to beat one of the best six teams before we start having a real conversation. They should have a whole, they should be in the Cobra Kai division.

The Cowboys, Dolphins, just bullies and then when... The Terry Silver division? Yes. It's time to get serious. They faltered. Well, the Chiefs to me are like the Eagles. I take them seriously. It wouldn't shock me

if they were in the Super Bowl, but I continue to be unimpressed every game compared to where my standards were for where I thought they would be. It just doesn't seem like guys are open enough. Kelsey was just...

He looked like he was 34 years old today. And I thought they got really lucky on that call. But, you know. He hit. Well, the only thing with that call is, I know what Raheem is saying and everything, but do you really want people tuning out of that game?

Like, why would they call that, right? Then it's 21-0 at half. People go on and do something else. But Mahomes, you're right, hit nine receivers or pass catchers. None of them had more than three receptions. It's just so weird. You want him to lock into somebody, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen. They don't have the guy who's, oh, you know, Mahomes,

there was a play that with Justin Watson today when he had Watson deep. Watson just wasn't fast enough. He had a step on the guy, but not three steps. And the pass was there, but they were still able to break it up. And I thought that was symbolic of this team. They're not fast like they used to be. Right. Turner is a nightmare. Since he looked better than them, since he is rounding in the shape, since he beats Buffalo, this was my favorite pick of the week. Um, I just think they have Buffalo's number and I think they're too physical for him.

The big, before we talk about since he, there's a real Buffalo might miss the playoff scenario and play now they're five and four. Their defense has been decimated. They lost Bernard today during the game. He got a concussion, which means he's probably not playing next week. They're just running out of guys.

And this was a 24-18 final, but it didn't feel that way. Like Burrow, he had Chase deep on that touchdown. He underthrew him. That was easy seven. He was five yards past everybody. Chase dropped the other one. It felt like they should have had at least 35 points

in this game. They ended up with 24. Buffalo got the late TD. They made it interesting, but not really. I felt like from 10 minutes in, we were like, all right, now we're just watching this game to see if the Bills cover on a teaser. Totally. I was preparing for our pod. There was no drama

in that game. It was like the Bengals are winning this game unless somebody gets hurt. I never felt. Then Josh had his weekly interception now, which is like, I guess his new thing. And it was Josh Allen. Oh my God. And it's like, this is kind of who he is. People are trying to figure out what's wrong with Josh Allen. It's like, I think this is actually who he is. I think he's a big dude. He makes great throws. He'll have a couple dumb plays each game. And he doesn't have the same weapons that he used to. So for them to not make the playoffs

of Bills, and I agree with you, it's a possibility for sure. The AFC North runs the table. You get all three, although I guess the Jets win it. I'm sorry, the Dolphins win it. And all AFC North teams make it? Or do you see the Chargers sneaking in?

They'd be a game and a half behind at this point. Well, so I had, you got Baltimore and KC and Jacksonville. Baltimore 7-2, KC 7-2, Jacksonville 6-2. I'm going to put them in. I think I'm going to put in Miami at 6-3. Just because I think what they're doing is sustainable against bad teams. Yep. Pittsburgh or Cleveland,

that would be five. Cincy, five and three, they're in, so that's six. And then it comes down to the Houston at four and four, Buffalo at five and four, and the other one of Pittsburgh or Cleveland. So right now there's basically nine teams

and I didn't even mention the Chargers so I do think I do think 9-8 might be the seventh seed

and now you get into like three-way ties and all that shit unless somebody could get to 10 wins but I thought it was important that Houston won today

yeah the next two are for Buffalo are Denver and the Jets. So, you know, favorite in both games, both home. So they'll be at seven wins then. But Denver's playing pretty well. I don't think that Denver game's an easy game. Do you?

I mean, they have to take care. No, I don't. I'm just saying, like, if they were to get past those in their favorite, then you just have to find two more on their schedule. They're home for the Patriots late. That at Dolphins might not mean anything. I don't know. We're going way too far down here. No, but there's Philly, KC,

Dallas, and Miami still on their schedule. Those are four games that they might not be favored in any of the games except yours. Plus, they might lose a dumb one. They already lost to the Jets. Not inconceivable. They haven't looked good for five weeks. The other thing is the defense got banged up and people are pointing that,

Oh my God, so many injuries, but the defense only gave up 24 points. The offense didn't get to 20. What's the offense's excuse? Same thing last week, right? 24,

18. They beat the bucks. Like they should be scoring 30 against the giants. They lost 14, nine. Like where are these points? The score already. Oh,

they won 49, but score in some of these games. Feels like Burrow's back, even though he missed that long throw to chase. His bloody finger. He's sucking on that bloody finger. I'm going to go gauze it up. Mike, you can take care of the rest of this game, right? He's going to bed at 8 o'clock. He turns off the snooze button,

Mike. He just, he's asleep. He just bites his finger until he falls asleep. I never seen anything like it. I liked when he talked when, uh, when chase missed that pass that burrow under through the 50 yard and land on

his back. And he was like, Mike, let me tell you, you crawl out of bed the next day. Mike, you crawl out of bed. Nobody call, Mike. You crawl out of bed. Nobody call him early.

Nobody call him. By the way, I thought Collinsworth was great tonight. He went after the referee, the guy in the booth, Dean Blandino. I know it's not Dean Blandino, but yes, let's tackle these terrible rules one at a time. If a quarterback is not in trouble and he throws it 20 yards over a receiver's head, you could be sure that the guy ran the wrong route and that he wasn't trying to down it

for no reason. Come on. That was bad. Well, since he's a nightmare 4-5 matchup now, because however this plays out, the fifth seed in the AFC is probably Miami or Cincy,

if I had to put money on it now. I know we have two months left and a lot of injury potential, but they would be playing Baltimore, Casey, Jacksonville. We don't even know. Yeah, so it could be whoever wins the AFC East. Yep.

And Cincy's just looming as like, oh shit, now you got to go through them in round one. Do not want to see them. And then the other one from the AFC Baltimore, who that was, I call those the get us off the TV games. There were seven games. Somebody had to blow out somebody so I could get my six games

and it was like going back it's like I'd kind of like to see some Arizona-Cleveland but I don't have a spot and then Baltimore is like we got you this game is going to be this is what you get for calling us a marquee matchup six days ago we're going to kill this team

they look so good I I mean, they've throttled now two good NFC teams, the Lions and Seahawks, 75-9. 75-9. They're so physical. They're so good. They're playing January football, and they're going to get better when it gets cold.

They're scary as hell. Did you see some of the stats from this game? They had 29 first downs. And Seattle had six. They had 515 yards. Seattle, 191. They had 298 yards rushing. And 41 carries.

I mean, this was like an ass-kicking to the point that if you're Seattle, you almost have to recalibrate what the ceiling of your season is. They traded their second round pick for Leonard Williams five days or six days ago. And then you watch a game like that and you're like, we're not even close. Geno has not looked right this whole season. Geno might have had, what was that Case Keenum Vikings year when he was great that one year? Oh, right, right, right. And then all of a sudden he went back to being Case Keenum.

That might have happened to Geno. I'm glad he got paid. The one thing I'll say is they're not doing it defensively in the typical fashion. They're not walking away with four interceptions

in this game or against Jared Goff, right? Like they only had one pick today. They had four sacks, but... Good pass rush. Yeah.

I think it's just constant pressure is forcing these guys to make dumb decisions and just throw in complete passes. Is Lamar the MVP favorite now? I didn't even look. Is he? No, I would say he.

It takes a lot to throw Mahomes off the perch these days. You think so? I'm looking. Yeah. Oh, my God. Lamar's third. Yeah. So I'm Fando. Mahomes plus 250. Hertz plus 340.. Lamar's third. Yeah. So I'm FanDuel.

Mahomes plus 250. Hertz plus 340. And Lamar is plus 470. Two will move down a lot. Burrow will move up a little bit. Burrow's looming at 9-1 all of a sudden. Yeah. I think Baltimore,

you know, if you're going to give the first half, who looked the best in the first half of the season, I think Baltimore takes it as we head to the second half. Doesn't mean they'll keep it, but it just feels like their offense is finally the right kind of offense for Lamar.

And I don't, I'm not smart enough about football to understand what they're doing, but people have been saying how they're trying to have them to throw over the middle a little bit more. And there's a lot more motion and things happen. It doesn't seem to matter who the running back is. They look complete and I feel like they have a home field advantage which is odd. I mean, go ahead and add that extra half full point to home field when they play. Well, and also with the lead, they're tough.

If they're up 10, you just feel like, oh man, this is done. And then on the flip side, Seattle seems like they're kind of headed the wrong way. Last AFC-related game, the C.J. Stroud was just spectacular and unbelievable. We were on it. I remember

I said before the draft that me and Solak and Danny Kelly did some draft stuff. And I don't know. I barely follow college football. You follow it, but I don't know if I barely follow college football. You follow it, but I don't. And I was just like, CJ Stroud.

I don't see it. I don't see a quarterback with an initial name. We've never had it. We've had AJ Feely and we had AJ McCarron. I was like, I just said, we've never had it. I,

it makes me nervous. P.F. Chang. P.F. Chang had like one good year. P.F. Chang. It was great that year. Um, but we knew within two weeks, we were like,

this guy, we were saying it on the pod, this guy has it. Today, 30 for 42, 475 touchdowns, had two game winning drives in the last like five minutes.

Yeah. For the season, 14 touchdowns, one interception. And I went and looked up, does he have a chance to have the best rookie QB season ever? There's not a lot of candidates. Yeah, who else is in there?

Yeah, but Marino. So I looked that up. In my head, it was Marino in 1984, but it was actually the 83 year. He only started nine games. He threw 20 touchdowns, six picks. Yeah. Minshew had 21 touchdowns, six picks.

Russell Wilson had a great one. He was 26 TDs, 10 picks. Threw for 31-18. Your guy Dak, 23 touchdowns, four picks, 36-67. RG3? Yeah, that's the one I was just going to throw at you. 20 touchdowns, five picks, 3200.. RG3, 20 touchdowns, five picks, 3,200.

And then Herbert had a shockingly good rookie season, which I had forgotten. He's the only one that threw for over 4,000. RG3 had like 800 yards rushing, too, and seven touchdowns that year. Yeah, yeah. Herbert was 31 and 10, but Stroud's now

on pace for, it's not gonna, he's not gonna do this, but 28 touchdowns and two picks would be the pace. And when you watch it, they're great throws. It's not, this isn't like a machine of an offense. He's hitting dudes over the shoulder catches, sitting them deep. He's scrambling out and finding people. It's like jaw dropping how good he is as a rookie. And it's hard for me to believe we spend this much time on the draft and people didn't think, you know, people were like, hey, he might be a bust, Ohio State.

And then Will Levis, who was really good on Thursday again. I'm in on that guy too. We just, we cannot figure out the draft. I know. I don't know why we can't at this point it's should we be better at this we should be either that or there shouldn't be 15 more

experts every year more draft experts than ever and yet we don't know if Will Levis is good or Young is better than Stroud and Young just looks like a college quarterback right out there you know like that. Well, they can't block for him.

So it's hard for me to know what he is yet because it just seems like he's getting hit. He's running. He's running for his life at the time. Team's not very good. I have to say, I'm completely numb to what's a good quarterback anymore. I think like Gardner Minshew is good. Like somebody like, oh, no, no, that guy's good. That guy's a good quarterback anymore. I think like Gardner Minshew is good. Like somebody like, oh, no, no, that guy's good.

That guy's a good quarterback. Like, really? Or is everybody bad? Like, no, he's good. I can't tell. We watch those 10 a.m. games on the West Coast. It's like, this is awful shit. Why can't anybody step up?

At least Minshew has some sort of performance history where he's been confident for longer stretches. Where somebody like Trubisky just never had it. If I had to say, I'll ask you first and I'll give you my answer. Who does CJ Strav remind you of when you watch him?

I think a more poised RG3. That's why I brought him up after you brought him up. But that's why I would say, and this runs a little less, but a more poised RG3. What would you say? He reminds me of Russell Wilson in like the probably like year four, year five range when he started to get more of a command of flinging it around.

That's a great compliment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Where you just feel like if he has time to throw, he's just going to zing it and find people. But for the most part, he's not that big of a guy. I don't feel like... I like Nico Collins. I like Dell.

Their receiver... I mean, their running backs are pretty you know, pretty below average because Pierce has been kind of out for most of the season. But, um, I'm, I'm blown away by that dude.

Like they're for them to be four and four. They were what? Plus nine 50 to win or plus 20 to one to win the, uh, AFC South before the season. The other weird thing, they're going to grab that seven from the Bills, aren't they? It's really possible.

Here's the other thing. They had almost 500 yards today. 496 yards. And they went three for 11 on first down. Explain that to me. How do you have almost 500 yards? You have three third down conversions. Wow.

Something happened in this game that was unbelievable that I missed because we had all the games going on. They go for two. Not really. And it's like, it's like,

what the fuck are they doing? They don't get it. Then later on, same thing, it's 23, 22. They go for two again. And I'm like, this is the,

like, this is analytics running. I don't realize their kicker cert. Um, but then later some guy comes in. Who was that guy who kicked a field goal for them? They showed him.

Yeah. They showed him number 33. Right. And so they line him up because it was fourth and too long to, uh, to go for it. To go for it. On the 10.

And then he kicks the field goal. Right. He made it. It was the most exciting moment of the day. Yeah. I don't understand. I'm going to do a bigger thing about this on Cousin Sal's winning weekend,

but why is the punter not the backup kicker? What the hell are punters doing? What are they doing? First of all, everybody goes on fourth and five now, so the punter's job is diminished. I think you could help out and learn how to kick an extra point while you're doing nothing. Can you make a 30-yard something just in case?

Is it an ego thing? The actual kickers get mad if the punters try field goals in practice because it seems like the punters should be the go-to guy. You don't get the backup running back in there kicking. What's more exciting for you,

the non-kicker taking a 30-yard field goal in a pressure game or a position player coming in in the 19th inning of a playoff game because the team ran out of pitchers? Oh. I like the field goal thing I mean didn't you have the best example ever with Doug Flutie did it and it wasn't out of

he was just showing off the other piece was I didn't have them in million dollar picks but I had them in real life with Texans minus 3 and once there's two point conversion chicanery you're just like ah I'm going to get screwed I just wonder how it's going to happen.

They score to take the lead. They go up two. And there's like six seconds left. And this was the right move because God only knows what's going to happen when you don't have your field goal kicker to try to kick the PAT. They just decided to kneel.

So they won by two. And then rooting for the lateral fumble touchdown for the cover at the end. Don't get it. And it's like, I was right about this game. And I still lost? Like, what happened? We just, hey, good going, CJ.

I know you have a thousand yards passing today, but no, no, no. You can't be out here for this play. Go sit down. Can you just nail this? Warm up for next week. Yeah. What an amazing game.

And then on the flip side, Bryce Young throws the two pick sixes against the Colts. Which is kind of a winnable game for them. Tough one for the C.J. Stroud versus Bryce Young thing. I'd be interested. I know we can't do this,

but if you just flip those guys, what it would look like. Yeah. Like if Bryce Young was on Houston, are they four and four? I would say no. No, I don't think Yeah. I think if Bryce Young was on Houston, are they four and four? I would say no. No, I don't think so.

I think he's, I know what you're saying. It's too young. They don't block for him, but his timing just seems way off for NFL standards. Yeah, he seems small. All right, we'll take a break and we'll do guest lines.

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No, it wasn't it. Was this like a top 10? Top 15? I think three San Francisco games are probably in the top five I don't like to think about it what was the one

when he ran down the middle but then they ran out of time and couldn't spike it why are we doing this we spent like 30 seconds on your terrible Patriots we my team

which one I'm in a great spot with the Pats we might you are start looking at Drake May highlights yeah I'm ready we're like number number four in them rankings now we're like number four in the rankings now.

We're tied for third in the rankings now. Worst record. I didn't think it was. I thought he had a great game. I honestly did. That's why I'm disappointed. That's my feeling here with Dak. If you could say Dak was listening and you could tell him one thing,

what would it be? Go play for the Panthers. We'll take Bryce Young. No, I don't know. I don't know what to say. We might see Tony Romo this week. He's coming to town. Should I ask him? Romo?

Romo's doing the Chargers Lions game. Oh, wow. You around? I'm around. I'd love to see Romo. Allo's doing the Chargers Lions game. Oh, wow. You around? I'm around. I'd love to see Romo. All right. Guess the Lions week 10.

You getting sad yet? We're halfway through. I can't believe it. We're almost halfway through. I am sad.

Well, this is going to make you even sadder. Thursday night. Bears at home for the Panthers. This could be an Al Michaels pretending that he is having some medical issues

and can't go. He can't do the fight. He has vertigo. This could be an I have vertigo game for Al Michaels. What's worse than Bears-Panthers? They said Fields might play. It might be Fields versus Bryce Young. See, I think they had to.

I think that's why he sat this week. I think he was ready this week. We need you for that Thursday game. For God's sakes. We put David Chang on so much, but I still don't know if people are going to tune in to see him cook up Chicago wieners. David Chang's making Korean macaroni and cheese today.

Chicago style. Put some chili flakes on it. Let's put sausage in it. We love you, Chang. Bears, Panthers in Chicago. Well, Chang probably is going to this. I think so, yeah. Maybe he's doing like a deep dish thing.

We don't know. We don't get invited. He doesn't invite us. Never invites us. He brought Joe House. Can he take snaps for the Panthers? We need him to step up even more. I got

this exactly right. You're going to be mad. I got this one and the next one you're going to do the Germany game. But you could get both of them too. I had Bears by three. There you go. Alright, so we tied there. That's what it is? That's what it is. Yeah.

Wow. I don't mind this Bajan. I, I, he has a weird cockiness to him and he's like, throws sidearm and stuff and he gets mad at the right times, but he also seems,

um, like he's got a presence, you know, that won't win a game. I thought that was an encouraging Bears loss and they have their first and they have Carolina's first. So this is the rare, they could actually win and it's still's first. So this is the rare

they could actually win and it's still good for them if they win the game. So it made me kind of like the Bears minus three. So even if they're tanking, it doesn't matter if they tank this because somebody's got to win this. I'm going to try not to watch this game. I'm just telling you now.

This isn't one of those where I tell Kyle on Thursday night, we've got to hold the podcast. I got to save my front segment for bears. Panthers. Probably not happening Thursday night. All right. Sunday marquee game. Would you go Ravens,

Browns, Bengals, Texans, or 49ers Jags? Uh, I'm most intrigued in 49ers Jags. Interesting. I had that as well.

Yeah. So we'll make that the Sunday marquee game. 49ers at the Jaguars. And I put this right in the Tic Tac Zone. I threw a bag of Tic Tacs all over it. I have 49ers by one and a half. I went two and it's two and a half. So I get that one. But people

really want us to put the Jaguars amongst all those giants we named in the AFC. And I don't know, a win over this team? How about win this game? Yeah, win this game. I think they'd have to do that. Let's see it. Yeah, win this game. I have a...

I've been meaning to tell you this. We've been gambling a long time, the two of us, even before we met. I came to LA in September of 2002 because your cousin was trying to turn me into his cousin as well and hire me for a show. So I came with my lovely fiance and we met on a Friday and it was with all the man show guys. What happened to that woman? Oh, you married her. Yeah, she's my wife. Within

five minutes of us knowing each other, you had a USA Today out and we were going through the Friday and I was like, this guy, I know if I move to LA, this guy's going to be my friend. There's a reason I'm telling you this story. Because I know everything you've already said up until now. Why did I start telling you this?

Are you kidding me? What was the impetus? Oh, you have dementia. You were going to tell me you had dementia. That's what you were going to announce. There was a real reason I was telling you this. Jacksonville, San Francisco. I don you this. Jacksonville, San Francisco. I don't know. Jacksonville, San Francisco, 49ers. Beat red right now.

We almost have to leave this in. You got to leave it in. We're about to start telling the story. Something with betting. We've bet for a long time. It was a great story. We've been betting for a long time. I guess that's the end of the story.

Well, that's great. If you ever go on a talk show, you got to tell that. Welcome to your mid- long time. Yeah. I guess that's the end of the story. Well, that's great. If you ever go on a talk show, you got to tell that. Yeah. That's a good one. Is this why they have segment producers for talk shows? Oh, I remember what I was going to say. Oh, damn it. I was hoping it wouldn't.

Yeah. So back in the day, it was always the line was minus three. And if it was like, you want to do the money line, it was like plus 160 for the underdog. They have just figured out how to remove all of the value in all these different ways. And one of the ways they've done it is they make the line like minus two and a half or minus two. And if you like the underdog and you're like, you know what? I'll just bet the money line on the underdog. It's like plus 118 or plus 120.

And it's like, well, then I'll just take the points at that point. But the points don't, they've just basically shorted the value of the underdog, which was not what it was like when we started gambling in the, in the late eighties, early nineties. I think you're right to know each other 20 years from now. I feel like there's less value than there's ever been. Yeah, I agree with that. Case in point, your team this week, I love the commanders, plus 140.

That line didn't move. The line didn't move itself, but the odds moved when I gave it out this morning. It was like plus 118. I'm like, what? Did they shrink that? Or are people just pounding that? I don't know. It doesn't seem like people are betting the underdog money lines much more than they used to. And I feel like they do that for the straight up and

also for the parlays to not have the same kind of value either. But it reminds me of when in Vegas, when in the blackjack tables, they started getting rid of the three to two for blackjacks and they made it six to five. And it's like, this is rid of the three to two for blackjacks and they made it six to five. And it's like, this is one of the only edges we had. You're going to make this six for five. I feel like they're doing this with the underdog money.

I think so too. Let's make a promise as longtime gamblers have known each other that long, that duration. Let's try to never get in business with these odds providers. Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah. Yeah.

If they ever... They come knocking. Well, I apparently have to mention now because I just started a story and didn't finish it. Definitely leave that in, Kyle. Carrie said that's Bill Seimer, she calls it, when I just started fading out of the story. You got it, though.

You caught up. Yeah, I got it. I brought it back. I remembered it eventually. Nice comeback. Thanks got it, though. You caught up. Yeah, I got it. I brought it back. I remembered it eventually. Nice comeback. Thanks. That was CJ Stroud-esque. The watchables.

So, let's do Ravens-Browns first. I don't know what to make of this Browns team. They've had some convincing wins this year. Deshaun, he might play, he might not.

He's okay, and he's not okay. That doesn't really ever look good. Has touchdowns that bounce off other guys before they get to the guy. I think maybe, is he just smarter than the rest of us? He circled this game against Arizona on the calendar. He's like, I'll make it like I'm practicing

the three weeks leading up to this, but I'm only really going to play this game because there's no way my defense is going to make me look bad. And that's kind of what happened. He was right. I tied that Browns game to a lot today, money line wise, which I had done in the last couple weeks. I was like, you know, what are the odds the cards are going

to do anything against the Browns defense? The play was, I think the cards was 13 over under for cards points in the game. That under was sitting there. By the way, we got to mention, I bet Cardinals on bring a wise guys to be the lowest scoring team of the week at plus 470.

You nailed that one. Yeah, and I had a lot of competition from some teams that just did not want to score this week. The Rams. But that's not your great gambling achievement of the year. This is one of the great things you've ever done what's that? Pittsburgh

the Steelers not to win the first half but then to win the game you hit, it used to be 10-1 now it's like 6-1 on FanDuel because there's like real value in that but the Steelers have done that I think four times this year? I think it's only three so they did it against the Ravens, they did it against

the Rams and they did it this past? I think it's only three. So they did it against the Ravens, they did it against the Rams, and they did it this past Thursday night. So that's 26 units plus, minus the other five games they played. So yeah, that's... And it's going to happen a couple more times. It's going to keep happening. So keep pounding that. Maybe not this week, but over the course of the rest of the year,

you'll win. The Steelers exist just so the analytics community can't feel good about themselves. They're like this and here and this means this and then it's like and here are the Steelers who make no sense whatsoever and week after week are just throwing a curveball at us.

Browns are at Baltimore. I do not like this spot for them. I had this in the Vegas zone and I have it as Ravens minus five and a half. That's exactly tie there. And that's exactly what it is.

Damn it. I thought I'd at least pull that from you. Yeah. Five and a half. I think that goes up, that that goes up, right? Yeah,

I think so. If anyone's smart, I think that's a, I, you know what? We don't see any, I feel like, you know, we can blame all these quarterbacks and name recognition has been, uh, If anyone's smart, I think that's it. You know what? We don't see any. I feel like we could blame all these quarterbacks,

and name recognition has been the worst ever in terms of these quarterbacks. Have we ever seen eight sack games, this many eight sack games from teams? Are the offensive lines just falling apart too, or are the quarterbacks just not nimble enough to avoid a sack? And then we see eight and nine and seven sack games from like six teams a week. I remember 20 years ago, we had like a point guard shortage in the NBA where there just weren't enough good, pure point guards.

And even like in the All-Star game, you could feel it. There weren't enough guys that could, everybody was like a shoot first point guard. And I was like, where'd the point guards go? Then they came back. It feels that way with the offensive linemen. Every game we watch, the announcer's like, yeah, well, you know, and there's Bob at left guard and they weren't expecting him to play this season, but he got signed to the practice squad and now, now it was their left tackle, you know? And it's like, who

is happy with their line other than Baltimore? Baltimore seems like the only one that, and they had guys hurt early in the year one that, and they had guys hurt early in the year, but at least they got some guys back. Yeah, and I don't want to be negative about quarterbacks and offensive

lines all the time. So then I'm like, all right, maybe the pass rushers, the edge rushers are better than ever. Maybe they're better. Maybe there's like 15 good ones.

Maybe there's too many edge rushers. Yeah, they'll change the rules. Speaking of that, Garrett's the best defensive player I've seen this year. Just some of them talking nine weeks, guys jumping off the page.

It was Parsons, but I think it's Garrett now. But it's close. I think they're very similar. Yeah. Yeah, I would say it's one of the two, but I think it's a good argument. By the way, Vandal thinks it's real close. They're both plus 190. Yeah, Vandal has Parsons plus 190 and Garrett 190.

So I thought that bore out. But TJ Watt at plus 250, I thought was interesting odds as a dark horse for that because he's the other one that's been jumping out of the TV in these Steelers games. These guys are all great.

Impact guys. I'm looking at the odds and there's like eight or nine that are just like must-see defense, right? Like Max Crosby is so fun. Max Crosby is awesome. Bosa and TJ Watt, like you said, and Garrett and Parsons

and even Hassan Reddick today played great. So that Ravens-Browns game, that's one of those either bet the Browns money line or bet the Ravens. That's not one of those where it's like, oh, the Browns got a late TD for the cover. Like they're either going to lose by 30 or have a chance

to win. Next one, watchables. We got two more. Lions at the Chargers. Just a super fun game. You know something weird's going to happen at the end. We'll see what happens tomorrow night with the Chargers. Who do you have tomorrow night? Chargers, Jets, by the way.

I'm going to take the Jets. I like the Jets, too. I think that past defenses, you can get right against them. The Chargers are like 31st in the league. Zach Wilson, everyone wrote him off for dead because that was a terrible win last week against the Giants. I think they could win again. I have Lions

at the Chargers. Lions by three. I said two, and it's one and a half. Oh, Tic Tac Zone. It's a fun one. That's too low. The Chargers are getting way too much, way too much credit,

I think. Yeah. I just don't think they're that good. I mean, no home field, short week. Yeah, maybe you're right.

Maybe it should have been more. Maybe it'll be Lions fans at this game, like 40 K. Oh God. 35. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're already coming out here to thaw out.

Last watchable. Who could have guessed this would have been a watchable in the beginning of September Bengals Texans in Cincinnati. The CJ Stroud versus Burrow. Yeah. I think the Texans are a live dog in this one. I have a Bengals by five. Oh, it went up.

I said seven and a half, and it's eight. Oh, well. That's too high. They're not screwing with this. They're not screwing with this. Well, let's think about this. They couldn't get it to three against Buffalo. I think the cheap touchdown

potential with the Texans, if you have eight, they could be down 14 with two minutes left and CJ will just take them down. That line's a little too high. They're not buying into the CJ Stroud magic. Well, they didn't see the game today. He was incredible. Fairly

watchables. Saints at Vikings against host body Josh Dobbs he might just jump into a Saints body during the game he might just start playing for the Saints take over them you know I really wanted to have the Vikings

favored in this game but I think Vegas values the saints and they trust their defense and their infrastructure. So I have saints by one. You called it at least better than I did. I had Vikings by one. It's saints by two and a half. Oh,

wow. I was even off on my saints thing. Jesus. It's tough giving points with, uh, with the saints. It's tough giving points with the Saints. It really is. What they do. My son has Derek Hart,

quarterback, and can't understand why he's taken out at the three-yard line every single time. I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. It is hilarious.

Yeah. I like the Vikings in that game. The Vikings could be six and four after that game. And by the way, the crowd's going to be nuts. Did you see the video of Josh Dobbs going into the Vikings in that game. The Vikings could be six and four after that game. And by the way, the crowd's going to be nuts. Did you see the video of Josh Dobbs going into the Vikings locker room after the game?

Yeah, it was great. Like a regular guy. It was awesome. They love him. He knows nobody. He's like, thanks, Kenny. No, no, my name's John. He shouldn't get to know anyone.

This is working for him. But this could be like a preview of like the seven seed. Like, is it possible whoever wins this gets the seven? It's possible. Yeah. The Saints, on paper, if you're not watching any TV, and it's like, all right, defense is good. They got some playmakers in Kamara and Olave.

Taysom Hill, they're good inside the 10. Yeah. And then you bet on Derek Carr in the wrong game, and you just hate yourself. I could see this game. Flores, who's done an awesome job as the DC of the Vikings. He's

going to be sending the house on Carr. Trying to rat on him. We've seen Carr the last couple years where if you start hitting him, he starts looking a little punch drunk. I like the Vikings in this game. I'm in on Josh Jobs. I do too.

I love it. That's our guy. Steelers-Packers. Speaking of things and teams that I love, I've really enjoyed this season. I think this has been a fun season. The Steelers, with a real chance to go 6-3.

I don't know how much of that Packers-Rams game you saw. The Packers are abominable. Yeah. They stink. Steelers by three is my pick. You got it exactly. I said four. I mean, I agree with you.

The Packers are terrible. The Steelers win every game in stupid fashion. Why is it three? I think Jordan Love is kind of pretty close to Mac, that level of QB. It feels pretty hopeless with him.

He came around at the perfect time, I think, where there's 10 guys beneath him that everyone's screaming about how terrible they are. He's one level above. Yeah, he's like, please don't look at me. Distract yourself with the Brett Rippins of the world.

I have Watson on one of my fantasy teams. He's a borderline, might wave him and try to pick up somebody else. Today he was wide open and Love just missed him and underthrew it. Watson's just never going to make a play. This feels like another classic.

Maybe this is the one where you go tie first half. Steelers to win the game. I'll do both. Just to mix it up. That's a great... Steelers will win this. Great odds for that. Yeah.

Did you see any of the George Pickens stuff? I just saw that he couldn't drag his damn foot like everybody else and score a touchdown for all the fantasy people. He's starting to get a little surly. Next one, fairly watchable, is Bucs-Titans. I did this out of respect to Baker Mayfield and the Bucs because I think they've been

pretty entertaining as a bad football team. That's a team I did not expect to ever have on a TV. They've hung around. I like watching Will Levis. I think he's fun. I think he throws a good deep ball. Oh, yeah. And I like this game.

And this feels a little loser leaves town-y to me. Right? Bucs are... Three and five, right? Three and five. Three and five. Yeah. Both three and five.

Right. Well, whoever gets the six losses, right or wrong. Can I share a secret with you? Yeah. Both three and five. Right. Well, they, whoever gets the six losses, right. Yeah. Can I, can I share a secret with you? Yeah. I'm enjoying these interconference South versus South matchups more than I wanted.

I know. I know. My name is Sal and I have a confession. I thought the box, and this'll be another good one. I think large screen. I don't know, but I have bucks minus two and a half. I thought the Bucs, and this will be another good one, I think. Large screen, I don't know.

I have Bucs minus two and a half. I had two, and it's one and a half, right? Yes. You win that. You might beat me this week. What is it? One, two, three, four, five. Oh, yeah. Six, two, four.

Let's do it. Let's keep it going. I'm going gonna nail this one Seahawks home for Washington God only knows what what Washington wants to do they trade both

their pass rushers seem like they're tanking and then somehow beat the Pats I have Seahawks by 5 you get this I had 4.5 it's 6 hmm you're not gonna tease that you're not going to tease that you're not going to tease that at all? no I was going to say to the fledgling gamblers out there

I would not tease the Seahawks offensively it doesn't seem like they can block and Geno doesn't seem right something seems off with this team they should have lost last week too they won that stupid Cleveland game because P.J. Walker threw on third and three or else they'd have a little losing streak.

I mean, you talk about on paper, they're like a mighty version of the Saints that you just laid out, right? Metcalf, Lockett, Kaz Walker, who never gets no carries anymore. Defense is still some nice pieces.

Gino Smith's better than Carr? I don't know. Three poop-fecta games. First one is the Pats versus the Colts. The Pats are home. I mean, this is despicable, by the way. You don't understand how... That this is a poop-fecta game.

I know. This is a great rivalry. No, that you don't recognize this game's in Germany. What do you mean? Oh, this is the Germany game? Oh, I forgot. How sad. You've lost so much.

So you should be at this game. I should be in Germany? Yeah. Is that on your Spotify headquarter? No, there it's... It's a train ride away. You want to change? You're going to have to change your line now.

No, I'm not going to change because I don't feel like The Pats have a home field advantage They might have a home field Advantage in Germany Because I forget who was telling me But they're like

The Germany's team Because they only show One game a week in Germany That's what I think It was the Pats The Chiefs and New England Yeah I think that's why They chose

I'm going to say Pats by one Oh you went the wrong way I said Indy by one And it's Indy by one and a half. Okay. You got to go to this game. You can power walk through the streets, give your pick. I can't think of... Honestly, I can't think of anything worse.

Wow. If I go anywhere over the next two weeks, it will be to go see Victor Wambadyama again. Cause somehow I went last week to that Clipper game and it sucked and they were terrible. And they've been super fun ever since. They're never going to lose again. Why was my one game,

the bad Spurs game Falcons at the cards, the Falcons just over and over again. It's either three or three and a half or two and a half. They're just in every every week they're favored. I don't understand why. They put the easiest schedule ever. You never feel good about it. I'm going to say Falcons by three. I

whip completely on this. I thought Falcons by five and a half. I think Arizona's irretrievable. It's one and a half. Wow. You get it. It's only one and a half. So this is the last week the Cardinals can take Kyla Murray off the

pop list. They're not. They won't, right? Well, Lombardi laid this out on his podcast a few weeks ago. If he got hurt or something, then they'd be on the hook for the next couple years. It's actually smarter for them not to play him if they feel like, but it's just weird that he's working out and stuff like that.

I don't know. I hope he plays. Cause I need the Cardinals to pass the Patriots so we can get a top two pick. Yeah. You don't, you don't like this, uh,

name that tune. You're not, you're not a big fan. Clayton. No, I'm not one One and eight. Cowboys Giants in Dallas. And this is in the running for biggest line of the year.

Tommy's going to have to get his shine box again. And it's not going to go too well for him either. I have Cowboys by 14 and a half. Damn. Good job. I had 13 and a half. It's 15 and a half. Oh. Good job. I had 13 and a half. It's 15 and a half. Oh my God.

How high does that, does that get to 17? You think? Well, let's see. They beat him. What? 40 nothing with Daniel Jones.

So I think you can make it like 46, 46 and a half. I don't know why. Would you fake a health issue? He may not have to. You might get attacked by some boneheads. Honestly, did we talk about it? You and I talked about that's like the Madden curse,

the Coach of the Year award. You lose all your faculties. The Browns coach won. Oh, Stefanski. Stefanski and Dayball. If you look at them, it's like something happens to these guys. Maybe the trophy.

Sounds like a horror movie. If I was Dayball, I'd be like, I'm having major issues. I just need to take a couple weeks away. We're tied. We're tied.

I think you're going to beat me. There's two left. And I didn't do well on them. The Sunday night game is Raiders home for the Jets. And I have Jets minus. I'm sorry. Raiders minus two. Oh, good.

Okay. I put it as a pick them and it's Jets by one and a half. You got that? I got that. Why the fuck are the Jets favored? I was sick of thinking about it. Well, think about it. The Raiders were barely favored over the Giants today.

And then they beat them up, but yeah. I don't know. All right, Monday night. I was off by two points in this one. You're going to tie me. Monday night, Bills Broncos. I'm going to say Bills by eight. Oh, I said eight also.

It's six. Oh, you to say Bills by eight. Oh, I said eight also. It's six. Oh, you beat me. Off the win. Yes. Bills minus six over the Broncos. Jesus. Wow. How did I win those last two?

Or tie that last one. Wow. Nine, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Nine to eight. I'll take it. What a church. So what's our teaser? What's our teaser?

Bills and Bengals. I'm not touching the Bills. Really? I'm not touching them. Bills and Raiders? I'm afraid of CJ Stroud. I didn't have a tease this week, and it was a really nice,

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All right, what do you got, Sal? I got a couple things. I'll do the one from yesterday. So I talked to you about my son. He's a freshman in high school. He's wrestling. He's been going to this wrestling school for off-season, and now the season is about to start.

So now he's got about eight months under his belt of wrestling practices. And we have a mat in the garage and I'm like, my big moment was, all right, show me what you got kid. And I told my wife, I'm like, we're going to go in the garage and we're going to wrestle live for probably an hour, hour and a half. I want to see what he's got because he has a tournament coming up next week. And she's like, oh, you're going to hurt your back. I was like, oh, stop it.

You know? So we go in there and we go over a couple moves. I'm like, here's a trick you could use. Went from the down position, this little roll here. And that gets boring after about seven minutes. I'm like, all right, let's go live now. And I am, I got, I don't know, 70 pounds on the kid. And we're going live.

And from the top position, I could hold him down pretty easily because I got all that weight on him. And then I let up. And then from the bottom position, it's just too much work for me. I'm getting winded. And when we're both standing,

I'm getting winded. And eventually I'm like, all right, I just got to be on the top position and just lean all my fat on you. And after about 10 minutes of that, he's like, dad, I'm like, all right, I just got to be on the top position and just like, you know, lean all my fat on you. And, uh, after about 10 minutes of that, he's like, dad, I'm not really learning anything. I mean, you're just a lot bigger than me. I was like, I know, but I'm going to have an effing heart attack here. If we do standing on their feet or if I'm in the down position.

So, uh, which is it? He's like, well, you know, we could go inside. And, uh, and so I, I go in and my wife's like, that's it. That's it. I was like, well, you know, we could go inside. And so I go in and my wife's like, that's it? That's it? I was like, yeah, that's it. He almost lost me for good. So now I got to figure something out. I don't know what happened. Either I got to get in shape or he's got to take up golf. I'm not sure what the answer is, but what the hell happened to... I used to be able to do stuff like this. It's disgusting. I think we need to create a

show where guys in their early mid-50s compete against ninth graders in various things. Like, let's say Count me out. Yeah. Let's say

he was 25 pounds heavier. Who would be favored in that wrestling match? Cause how long are the, how long are the rounds? It's like, they're three, two minute periods. And it stops.

So you don't think you go three, two minute periods, you would get worn out. Uh, I mean, against, you know, there's always a weight that I think I can handle,

you know, so I could go with like 125 pounder probably, but I think, uh, and a good one, it would be tough. Do you think Pete Sampras could beat a world-class ninth grader? Oh, interesting.

See, that's pretty good. Washed up against haven't made it yet would be... I would at least try a couple episodes of that. Washed up versus watch out? Could Jalen Rose beat one of the best sixth graders in the country? I would at least try a couple episodes. Yeah, washed up versus watch out. Yeah. Could Jalen Rose beat one of the best sixth graders in the country? Didn't Scalabrini take on someone in a gym?

But that kid was a high school player already. I don't know. I still say third grade Arthur McGee could kick my ass right now. He was a very tough kid. My son turned 16 a couple of days ago. Yeah, I saw that. And it's exciting because he's going to be driving now. Oh no, he's not going to be driving because he failed the permit test twice and hasn't passed it yet. When I turned 16, all I wanted to do was drive. It was like I would have walked across hot coals

to be able to get in a car and get away from my house. Of course. Now he's fine because he's got those little fucking green birds that you can go around LA and he can always hop in an Uber X or get a ride from somebody.

There's just no urgency at all to want to drive around. Where do we go wrong with this generation? Can I defend him for a second? Is he taking it at home or is he taking it at the DMV? At the DMV. They don't make it easy at all.

First of all, you never get to see what you got wrong. My son failed it twice too. You could take it from home, but there's a camera on you. And if you even move a little bit out of frame, you're disqualified, but they won't tell you you're disqualified. They'll just tell you you failed. Disqualification is a failure, just like getting one wrong more than you need to is a failure. So there's some weird shenanigans going on at the DMV, I think. Well, here's what I don't get. So we live in this giant city, right? And it's a city full of

potholes and terrible roads and roads that haven't been fixed in a while. And some of the worst drivers I've ever seen in my entire life, like just all over the place, just horror driving. So if the test is this hard to pass, how is there so many bad drivers? It just doesn't add up. So if the test wasn't this hard, we'd have even more horrible drivers. There's horrible drivers every minute of the day here. So he must be mad though. He's mad that he's failing, right? Because he's competitive. He failed the second time.

And now he's doing the, I'm not taking... He just doesn't want to take it because he feels like a loser that he didn't pass it the two times. Meanwhile, he's at Travis Scott tonight. He went. How did he get there? At the Travis Scott concert tonight. My wife drove him. Yeah. Not that he would have driven anyway.

But on the other hand, I was thinking he's only 16. It's like people are nightmare drivers when they're 16. This might be better for everybody that he's not behind the wheel. Maybe it'd take an extra year. It's almost like we're red shirting him. It's like a red shirt freshman for driving. You know what? I'm going to give him a nice wrestling mat. I'm going to send it to your house to congratulate him on failing twice. Not only because I just don't want it in my garage anymore. Well, we went to, for his birthday, we went to Dantanas, which I think is one of the great spots in LA. And they're super nice, but we had his best friend and his girlfriend come, but he didn't know. And she showed up and he was like really touched and he couldn't believe it. And it was a great night, but they want us to do a guess the lines from the back room and Dan Tannis.

They do. Yeah. They're like all excited about it. They like gave him the card. They're like, you got to do it. I was like, that actually sounds amazing because we would eat heavy Italian food.

I would definitely beat you and guess the lines. No, I bet you would a hundred percent lose. Cause you would have like veal parmesan, three meatballs, and some Caesar, and you'd just be like throwing crazy guesses at them. Let's do it. I got a nice little lead on you now. Five to three to two

after 10 weeks. So I'm happy to give you a week. Yeah. Yeah. I've been here 20 plus years now. There's like some OG great restaurants that it's all about like what the new restaurant is. Meanwhile, there's like some awesome ones that are just's all about like what the new restaurant is. And meanwhile, there's like some awesome ones that are just like eternally awesome. Dan is this one of them.

Um, I have a quick nephew corner too. Oh, so last night, Kyle's dad is in town and Kyle and his wife and his dad and, and, um, his grandmother,

my wife's mom, they all come over and we have dinner outdoors. Kyle's been out for a few hours. It's pretty clear he was at the Frolic Room pretty early. First he said it was 3 o'clock, but then later he let it slip. It was 1 o'clock. So you could see he was very happy. There were four bottles of red that were imbibed during the dinner.

And there was only, as far as I could tell, six people drinking and I only had one glass. We were finishing the fourth bottle and I'm watching Kyle and it's like, he's like pouring soda. And I'm like, how do we go through four bottles? Like, I was just kind of amazed. Cause I was like, I only had one glass and she had two and Carrie's mom was drinking white wine and his dad had two. And so we're going around the table and Kyle goes, well, I had three glasses. And like, he definitely had like six or seven. I was thinking when you drink with Kyle, it's like when somebody cheats at golf, it's like a par five and you're like, what'd you get?

And he's like, one, two, three. Uh, I, I bogey, I got a six. And meanwhile, it's like, but you were in the trees and then you were in the trap. And I saw, then you hit it over the green. Like you got a six and then I got a six. That's Kyle. He's like the lion golfer of, of sharing wine. Is this true, Kyle? Kyle,

are you nervous around these people? Is that why you drank a little more? I took it on myself. I was opening all the bottles for everyone. I made sure we didn't run out. I was checking to make sure everyone was okay. I was just taking my tax off of that. That's all. Taking his tax off. Well, luckily Kyle failed his permit test, so he didn't have to drive home. Well, and then we had a fight with my mom and my mother-in-law at the end with my wife and my mother-in-law because they were like, we're going to clean up at the end of the day. And my wife goes, you know what? I'm just going to clean up tomorrow. That's what my mother-in-law does. Just put everything in the sink. I'll get it tomorrow. And her mom's like, no, you can't do that. And then my wife's like, no, no, that's

what I want to do. I want to do that. And my mother-in-law's like, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. And they start, and we just flee because they start going at it. We get out of there. Her mom goes in the kitchen and just starts cleaning all the dishes. And I'm like, is my wife going to clothesline her from behind? How's this going to end? She kind of just let her have it. But, uh,

Kyle, that was a little weird too. Oh yeah. I got out of there. I got out of there. Kyle doesn't remember. I was in the upstairs bathroom. I was out of there.

After his eighth glass of wine, he disappeared to a guest bedroom and then we didn't see him for 10 minutes. That's my wife and my mother-in-law. Oh, man. Fun time. That is such a thing. Family stuff's always great, though. When is the family stuff not always lively?

I know. And thank God football rules the day on Thanksgiving, because otherwise it would be a series of what you just described with my family and my wife and mother. Is your family a clean the dishes right away or a wait till the next day? Right away. And my wife is like your wife. I'll wait till tomorrow.

It's therapeutic. I'm, I'm a, it gets me past my hangover. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. All right. That's it for parent corner. All right. Cause so you have against all odds, you have cousins house winning weekend on Friday and then you have the wise guys show on lots of fun on Sunday. So you have Against All Odds. You have Cousin Sal's Winning Weekend on Friday. And then you have the Wise Guys show on FanDuel on Sunday. So you're red hot.

You're on fire. Flames are coming out of your head. I really do. Yeah, and I know it's going to disappear. It's all going south. But yeah, Ringer Wise Guys starts you off every Sunday. Cousin Sal's Winning Weekend. Ricky Williams sits down with me. We're going to talk about... He thinks Kyle has a problem, a drinking problem.. We're going to talk about, he thinks Kyle has a problem,

a drinking problem. So we're going to discuss that. Oh, Jesus. And Tate on Through the Ringer. Monday night, well, Tuesday morning, you'll see that on FanDuel TV. You know what's going to happen to Tate?

It's like when NBA starts for me. When the college hoops start, we kind of lose Tate. Tate starts getting quarterbacks confused on different teams. He just goes sideways with football. He's just going deep watching whoever.

I love it. He's also going to join us on Against the Lodge. We're going to try a college basketball preview. Yeah, it starts November 6th. It starts tomorrow or Monday. There's a game.

Cooper Flag going to Duke was the funniest thing that's happened in the last couple years that I've known Tate. You like that? Well, no, Tate didn't like it. I'll tell you that much.

I know. I know. He's not a fan. All right, cuz. As always, good job on you. Good job on you, buddy. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cousin Sal.

Thanks to Steve Cerruti and Kyle Creighton, as always. Don't forget, new Rewatchables coming tomorrow night it is the start of wait that movie made how much money? month

gotta work on the title pretty good title and I will see you on this feed almost definitely on Tuesday I want to see them on the way so I never say I don't have feelings with them. On the wayside, on the way so I never say I don't have feelings with them.