The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Improbable Celtics, 'Cobra Kai,' and Bank Robbery Movies With Bill's Dad and Shea Serrano | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 366)

Episode Date: May 16, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons gives his thoughts on the improbable Celtics run as he names the most improbable finals teams in NBA history (3:10). Then Bill calls up his dad to talk about Boston's victory in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals (24:38). Finally, Bill is joined by Shea Serrano to talk about YouTube Red's 'Cobra Kai,' liking Johnny Lawrence, '80s movies that need to be TV shows, and 'Den of Thieves' and other bank robbery films (58:45). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't even know. We'll see. First, Pearl Jam. All right. Celtics up 2-0 in the Eastern Conference Finals. We're going to talk to my dad about that in a little bit because he was there. I just wanted to mention, trying to figure out how crazy this is that this is happening

because I'm positive that no team has made the finals without their two best players or two of their best three. I don't think it's fair to call it's almost a meaning to Al Horford now to say that he's not one of the three best players in this team and the relative equal to

Hayward and probably 90 to 95 maybe maybe even a hundred percent of Kyrie. I thought he was the MVP this year of the Celtics. Even before Kyrie got hurt, I thought it was at least a debate. And I just thought Horford was more irreplaceable for what he did. And then on top of it, I really wanted to vote for him for all NBA third team and came very, very close. And I don't even remember if I ended up voting for him or not, but I waffled back and forth. And if I didn't vote for him, the reason was I was afraid of being called a homer on the internet by basketball, Twitter, and all the mean people out there. You know who you are. There's some mean people out there. But I didn't want people to be like, oh, Horford, 13 points, eight rebounds. How is he on here? But the Celtics, they ended up with a two seed. They got 61 games total out of their two best scorers, basically.

And Horford was the glue to the team. Now people, I think, are fully appreciating what he does in the playoffs and how unique it was. It's funny. And I mentioned this before. We had these all NBA teams for the regular season and the MVP ballot and the rookie of the year and all these different things. And then the playoffs come around and really the only thing we have to determine in the moment. And then for people looking back 35, 40 years from now, what happened in that particular playoffs, we really just have the finals MVP and the results of the games.

And in college, they have the all-tournament team and things like that. I think if you're doing an all-tournament team for this NBA playoffs so far, obviously you'd have LeBron James in there. I think you would have James Harden. I think you would have Kevin Durant and Al Horford. I think are the four no brainer people that would be in there. And then we could argue about who the fifth person should be.

I'll even go a step further. I think if you're giving out an MVP for the playoffs, I think, I also think it's Al Horford because of all the things he does and all the mismatches he creates game to game. And you look at the Milwaukee series, he was the guy Milwaukee could never really figure out. He was a guy who could post up when they needed him.

He was a guy who could shoot threes, run the fast break. He hustles back on defense. He beats guys down the floor. He's doing all that stuff. Then it gets to the Philly series. And Embiid, who is the most unstoppable low post center we have right now, Horford was able to hold him off and actually really kind of give it to him on the other end and was a difference maker and made the biggest shot of the series. And then we go to the third round and he's somebody that can guard all

these different types. Even in the last series, he's guarding Ben Simmons. He's guarded all types of players, this whole playoffs. And I think, you know, what's cool for somebody like me and other Celtics fans, and even going back to the Hawks days, people who watched him day in, day out, who kind of knew how special he was day to day, week to week, and also what a great teammate he is. He's a guy that I always talk about the table test with NBA players about what do you bring to the table, what do you take off?

And you take somebody like Westbrook, who he brings 90% of this great stuff. And the 10% he takes off is so noticeable and so glaring that we kind of focus on that 10%, maybe a little too much sometimes. And Horford is one of those things. He just brings stuff to the table and it's just like, oh, here's some forks. Here's some knives. Here's a, here's a bread plate. Here's a butter plate. Hey, I brought some bread for you guys. And he's just bringing stuff and doesn't really take a lot off. And he's not somebody that anybody would say is one of the top 10 guys in the league. But it's funny because Draymond Green, who basically is the Al Horford of the Western Conference, and his stats are better in some respects, he's probably a slightly better defender, definitely more competitive,

definitely more of a personality, not as good of a three-point shooter. Better passer. I would say relatively same in the athleticism department. But Draymond Green, I think, gets the respect. And I think people are always like, oh yeah, he's definitely one of the best 15 guys in the league. Draymond Green's great. He's done a lot in a lot of big games. And Al Horford,

because the Cavs have kicked his ass in some playoffs. It's not exciting to talk about Al Horford. I think he has kind of slipped through the cracks. In the playoffs this year, he's at 17 a game, 8.4 rebounds, 3.6 assists. He's shooting 36% from three, shooting 58% on field goals, and then 80% from the free throw line. His PR is 22.7, which as we know, PR is a little overrated, but it's still a good indicator. His usage rate is 19.4%.

So he's not even involved in 20% of the possessions. But you're going down the line, he's just solid. And it's actually something that he's been, if you go back to his Hawks days, right? So on the Hawks, they won a couple rounds a couple of times. And he was always in like the 15 and nine, 16 and eight kind of range. So it isn't much different than what he's doing.

It just seems to stand out more. And I think you can make a real case he's been the playoff MVP if it's not LeBron. I'd have a hard time giving LeBron the playoff MVP if they lost in round three. I think I never liked the losing guy as the MVP argument. But anyway, he's one of the four, however you want to stand on it.

But anyway, I was thinking about the most shocking teams that have made the NBA finals. And I went back to the ABA-NBA merger in 76, because once you go before that, the basketball gets a little weird. But the 76 Suns, who played the Celtics in the finals and had the famous triple overtime game that I went to, and I fell asleep during. Actually, I told this story in my book, but the game started at nine o'clock, Boston crowd, super drunk. Game goes, it's about 11 o'clock. We're in the fourth quarter. And I was not even six years old yet. I think I, no, I was six years old. It was six and a half. And that was it. I was just, I had never stayed up that late before and ended up going to sleep.

And everybody in my section liked me because I was this little kid who dressed like the Celtics. I used to go on the court before the games. This was in the seventies. They just let people wander onto the court. I used to wander onto the court and stand under the basket and I would rebound for the players. I swear to God, I'm not even kidding. I would go right under the basket and I would pray for an air ball because if somebody hit an air ball or if two balls sit together, the ball would bounce me, I would throw it back. And I was just that kid.

Everybody kind of in our section and around the baseline knew who they were. I used to wander over to the Celtic bench. There's this picture of me in the Boston Herald once of me next to Tom Heinsohn and John Killalay, who was the assistant way back when, just me standing next to them. That's just what that era was like. Tickets were $3 and it was all blue collar people and people smoked at halftime and it was a different sport.

So I went to that Triple OT game. I fell asleep, stretched over three people, my dad, my dad, and then my legs were on somebody. And I think my head was on some lady. So nobody could get up. And in the second overtime, if you remember, the Celtics had the ball down one with like seven seconds left. And they were inbounding the ball right near us because we sat behind the Phoenix bench at that point and everybody stood up. So I actually had to wake up because everybody could stand, nobody could see. And so I wake up and I'm out of it. And now it's like midnight and they inbound the ball to Havacek who's playing on one leg. Cause he, he was like the first person on plantar fasciitis. I think he was the first person ever diagnosed with it. He wasn't even supposed to get the ball.

He gets it, goes down the left side, right in front of us. And I actually remember this. You know how you can kind of, I remember remembering something, but you don't actually remember. I can actually like literally remember this. Him going down in front of us on one leg and he banks a shot in. And it seemed like the Celtics won. It seemed like the buzzer sounded and they won. So everyone charges the court. And now it's like, I've gone from, I was asleep to now I'm awake to this guy hits the shot and it seems like we win. And now every, this was in the era when

people jumped on the court, plus everybody's drunk and it's midnight. Now people are vaulting over us to get to the court. Cause we're in like the fourth row. And so now I'm terrified. I'm like, we're all going to die. Like everybody's charged to the court, what's happening? And this huge chaos on the court, everybody's celebrating. And the referee gets punched, Richie Powers. And then it turns out the Suns have one second left

on the clock to work with. They call a timeout so they can advance the ball at mid court, which is really smart. They get a technical. Jojo White hits the technical. And then they inbound the ball to Garherd and it becomes one of the most famous shots in history. He makes like this 15 footer,

but in the garden when I was six, it seemed like it was about 45 feet. Goes in, triple overtime, Celtics finally win. And then held off the Suns in six. I don't know if I needed to tell that story, but I really enjoyed it anyway. But anyway, the Suns had no business making the finals that year. They beat the Warriors in seven.

And that was kind of the most shocking team that had ever made the finals to that point. But then if you go through after that, the 78 Sonics, I think they won 44 games or 46 or something, but they started out five and 17. They fired their coach. It was a young team, a lot like the Celtics. They didn't have any all NBA players, but they did have guys who became great guys. Dennis Johnson, Gus Williams, Jack Sikma, and they ended up making the finals and they lost to the Bullets and then they ended up beating the Bullets next year. That team was shocking. The 95 Rockets, the year after Hakeem Olajuwon won, they just counted out. They didn't have home court in any series. They didn't have a great regular season. And they shocked people. Nine years before that, the 86 Rockets,

I think were another shocker. But they had two number one picks in the draft that decade, and they were fearsome to play against. And it wasn't like that shocking that they made the finals it was shocking that they beat the lakers in five but it wasn't shocking that they beat the lakers like it was definitely they were on the radar at that point uh the 99 knicks the year patrick ewing got hurt and um the year i had written about the ewing theory on my website uh my old website bostonsportsguy.com had written about the Ewing theory on my website. My old website, bostonsportsguy.com had written about the Ewing theory and then Patrick Ewing got hurt. Everyone wrote off the Knicks and they made the finals

and everyone thought I was a witch doctor. The 07 Cavs, that was LeBron had been in the league at that point, it was his fourth year. He didn't really have anybody good on his team other than LeBron James. And the Pistons were on this run where they made the finals in 04, or they won it. They made it in 05, almost won it. 06, Shaq and Wade hit them with a haymaker. And then 07, people thought they were going to make it

again. Cavs shocked them in game five. LeBron puts up 48 in Detroit. They win in game six. Boobie Gibson, who's now on the challenge, champs versus pros. So I don't know whether this is a sad fall or a great thing for Boobie Gibson. We'll never know. But 07 Cavs, shocking, they made the finals. They got destroyed by the Spurs.

And then the other one was the 09 Magic, which beat the Celtics. They beat somebody else that was really good, who I'm blanking on. And it just was like surprising. Oh, the Cavs. The Cavs, that was the year the Cavs were supposed to make the finals. And LeBron was awesome in that series. And the Magic just made a lot of threes.

And Dwight Howard was great. And they snuck in there. That's really it for the last 40 years. I mean, you could say the 2011 Mavericks were kind of surprising. You could go through certain teams, but the 2012 Celtics probably made it because Derrick Rose got hurt. You could go through and you could, but every team kind of made sense. This 2018 Celtics potentially making the finals

makes no sense whatsoever. It's inconceivable. But then I went through the finals teams that had no first team All-NBA or second team All-NBA guys. Going back, the last team was the 05 Pistons. And that year, Ben Wallace was third team all NBA. So he was still a top 15 guy. The 2000 Pacers, they didn't have any all NBA guys. That was also a really good team. They had Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose, the Davis brothers, Rick Smiths. It was one

of those teams that didn't have a top 15 guy, but was the deepest, best bet to make the finals that year, I would say. I think they won 60 games. The 99 Knicks that we mentioned, that was a fluke year. That was the lockout year, 50 game season. Nothing made sense that year. The Knicks were an eight seed and made the finals. They never should have been an eight seed. That was the year the Pacers probably should have made it and blew it. The 95 Rockets, Hakeem was third team all-NBA that year. 94 Knicks, no all-NBA guys that year. But to be fair, it was a crazy year for centers because you had Hakeem Robinson and Shaq. So Ewing was the fourth best center that year but almost any other year makes it.

The 1990 Trailblazers, Drexler was third team. The 1990 Pistons, Dumars was third team. The 89 and 88 Pistons did not have an all NBA guy and in 88, they only had two teams anyway but that's how deep and great that team was. And in 88, they only had two teams anyway. But that's how deep and great that team was. And by the way, Isaiah was one of the best eight or nine guys in the league. He just was giving up stats to win at that point. 79 Sonics, we mentioned. 78 Sonics and the 78 Bullets had no first or second team all-NBA guys. And the reason I mentioned this,

even if you go through all those teams that didn't have them or Ben Wallace was second team or whatever, you could at least look back and go, oh, that made sense. You know? Like Hakeem Olajuwon's one of the 12 best players ever. Ewing's one of the best 40 players ever.

Clyde Drexler's probably the sixth or seventh best two guard ever. And that team was really good. Those Pistons teams were loaded. Dumars is a Hall of Famer. Isaiah Thomas is one of the best 25 players. Dennis Rodman was on that team. Like those teams were good.

The 79, 78 Sonics had DJ and Gus, who in retrospect were an incredible backcourt. And DJ's in the Hall of Fame. Gus is not in the Hall of Fame, but should be, especially with some of the guys that have gotten in. That 78 Bullets team had Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld and Bobby Dandridge, who made second team All-NBA the year after. And the 00 Pacers had Reggie Miller, who is one of the great clutch guys we've had in the last 25 years, plus a bunch of other good guys. And Jalen in his prime, Jalen was really good. Jalen was arguably, you know, could have made 13 mile NBA at some point in his career.

I don't know if he ever did. 99 Knicks had Camby and Sprewell and Allen Houston. Those teams are good. What we're seeing with the Celtics team to not have Kyrie and to not have Hayward, but then to have this mishmash of Horford is probably close to being an all-NBA guy and might even make it this year, but not totally. Tatum will make it at some point in his life. Jalen Brown might too, but there's just no track record of this happening.

Even the 76 Suns who came out of nowhere, Alvin Adams was Rookie of the Year. Paul Westfall was embarking on this awesome half-decade run where I think he made three first-team OMBAs and a second-team OMBA and was just the best two-guard in the league for five years. This team, it's either guys who we never really appreciated or guys who are a few years away from being the guy. And, uh, it's unprecedented. It's, it's crazy that LeBron yesterday

basically did the same thing he did in 2012 in game six, where he comes out and makes every shot and tries to kill the crowd. And this team wouldn't go away. And they're down five at the half. And I was like, but they just took LeBron's best shot. They're going to win. And that's where we are right now. So, and one last thing on this OMA thing, usually it takes two guys to make the finals.

And if you go through history, everybody had two, pretty much, I would say 80% of the Miami teams LeBron and Wade and then even Bosh the Warriors you had Curry and Green and Clay Curry and Durant you went through the Cavs had LeBron and Kyrie

Miami the Miami team in 06 Wade and Dirk Wade and Shaq you went down the line like it's almost an anomaly just to have one guy. The 2011 Mavs basically had Dirk and then a bunch of roll guys. And that was kind of surprising. The Lakers had Kobe and Pau Gasol, who is one of the best 12 to 15 guys in the league

for a few years there. The 07 team with the Cavs was basically LeBron and nobody. But even like you look at 2013 and 14 with the Spurs, Parker was second team one year and third team another year at OMBA. Duncan in 2013, I think he was first team at OMBA. Pretty sure he was first team. Second year he wasn but you know they had their two guys every team has had these two guys that you could be like oh those were their two guys and I think for the Celtics

team I guess basically one of those guys has to be Brad Stevens it's like I've never seen a situation where the coach is one of the two guys but I think we're there it seems like he's having that much of an impact game to game, week to week. So maybe the two guys for the Celtics are Stevens and Horford, and then the combo of Tatum and Brown, who one of whom every game seems to be an elite guy, but it's, you never know which one it's going to be.

I've just never seen anything like this. And I don't know whether, I don't know what we're watching, but we're going to, we're going to call my dad and we're going to, and we're going to get his take on the whole thing. Cause he was there yesterday. We're going to call my dad in one second. First though, quip. Most of us are brushing our teeth wrong, not for long enough and forget to change our brush on time. And it's just, we're a mess when we brush our teeth wrong, not for long enough, and forget to change our brush on time. And it's just, we're a mess when we brush our teeth. Most brands focus on selling flashy gimmicks rather than better brushing. But not Quip.

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with a Quip electric toothbrush. That's your first refill pack free at getquip.com slash BS. All right, we're going to call my dad. All right, my dad's on the line. Dad, you missed it. I just audibled into this whole story about the triple overtime game in 1976 before I even was talking about the NBA teams and how I slept across you and two other people for most of the second half and the first overtime. Do you want to verify that story? I will verify that because the game got over about after one in the morning.

Right. It was back in the day when they started those games at like 9, 10, 9, 12. And you can imagine on the East Coast what time it would have been if there were three OV times as there were. And you were six years old. Yeah. But I remember waking up for the Havlicek shot that we thought won the game and then everybody jumped over us and I thought we were going to die. True. I think you also woke up when Garfield Heard made that ridiculous.

It wasn't a three. There were no threes back then? No. It was a two to tie. Yeah. Looking back, I do think there's a case to be made with child services for you bringing me to that game. Well, I think you might have missed school the next day. I remember I wrote about this in my basketball book.

We got home at like 1.30. No, we got home a little later than that. Maybe even later. And for whatever reason, like we were both wired from the game and we put TV on and Charlie's Angels was on it was like they were rerunning some episode of Charlie's Angels from I have to admit I don't remember that part I just remember

it was like a show like that and I was like wow TV's still on at this hour I was like so blown away by that because we were living in Brookline which meant that it wasn't like we could walk home we had to take the train we had a car at a parking lot somewhere and had to drive in heavy traffic at 1.30 in the morning.

But one of the half dozen most memorable games ever. For you, I vividly remember you sleeping. Your head was on my lap and your body and legs were in two't two strangers in a row. Right.

And they never said a thing. Well, but then they had to stand up for the Albuquerque shot. So yesterday- Yeah. So you kept getting awakened because people would stand up when crazy things happened. That's right. My friend Sully said that the crowd last night, he said, was the loudest since the 2010 finals. Would you deny or confirm?

I think he's probably accurate. I thought the crowd Sunday was really, really loud, too, in spurts because, you know, we took a big lead. It got really loud at the end of the third quarter on Sunday when they got it down to 14 but last night was a totally different kind of game I mean you had LeBron coming out scoring 21 points in the first quarter and

we should have been down by 15 points and we're down by 4 and I mean we played great team basketball it's like every quarter somebody took over. Jalen Brown, I think he had 14 points in the first quarter. And then, you know, different guys took over. Rozier had a good quarter. Obviously, Al Horford had a terrific fourth quarter. Smart was outstanding. But when we're down by 11, I think we were down by 11 in the third quarter,

and the crowd was a little bit, I wouldn't say afraid, but certainly terrified that LeBron was going to go on a final run and equal his 25 first-half points. And then we had a couple of things happen. I mean, I don't know when it happened, when J.R. Smith pushed Horford into the crowd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That really woke up the crowd.

There were a couple of other great moments that woke up the crowd. And Grozier's dunk. I mean, I'm remembering specific plays, but we played great teams. There was one sequence where Marcus Smart got two offensive rebounds on the same

play and the second one was this death-defying jump back in, the putback. That was probably the biggest motivating play for the crowd. crowd. I happened to be coming out of the bathroom at that time, unfortunately. I could hear, it's like the roof almost came off at that moment. Of course, I came down to my seat. I was with my brother Don, your uncle

Don. Don said, you just missed the biggest play of the game. I heard it, but I didn't see it I'm sure it was a great pee though yeah it was necessary I think the Celtics fans for the past few years have been in that Marcus corner which is

a corner where you just kind of have to watch him day in day out to understand what he means especially in these home games and how unafraid he is he's certainly somebody you never want him to shoot from three, but that's just part of the package. He's going to do it. And he's going to make that one crazy pass in traffic. That's a bad idea. And he's going to take the one charge where he gets called for a foul that he shouldn't do. And you just kind of accept it. And now it's like he's put it together, whatever this weird mismatch of skills he has.

And he's kind of unlike any, not only is he unlike any player I've ever watched, it might be in any sport. I've never really watched anybody like this before. The stats don't even come close to describing what he is and what he means and how he connects with the crowd and how tough he is. And like when JR did that, did that a cheap shot on Horford, which was really a dangerous play, you know,

smart was going to be the first guy over there getting in his face. That's just who he is. And he's just this tough guy that him and, and your, your nemesis, Marcus Morris and Aaron Baines. This team's really tough, and they don't take shit, and they're just in your face. But smart you've come around on, right? I have come around on it. You and I used to think he was a version of kind of like Tony Allen,

that defensive stalwart. But I've changed my opinion on him. He's a much, much better player than Tony Allen. He had nine assists last night. When he was, I think his plus minus, his plus was over 20. Even LeBron in the postgame, when he gave his interview, he referenced Marcus Smart and the impact he had on the game. And sure enough, who was the guy who immediately came to Horford's defense? Marcus Smart. Although Rozier was there too. I mean, our

guards were terrific last night compared to Cleveland. I think Cleveland's starting guards had three points. And after J.R. Smith did that cheap shot push, which, as you said, was very dangerous. Horford certainly could have hurt himself. The crowd started chanting. Fuck J.R., right? F-U-0, F-U-0.

And the zero meaning, up on the scoreboard, he had zero points and zero assists, I think, for the game. Yeah. Well, I think it's an intelligent crowd. I mean, they pick out interesting factors in terms of their chance. Loud, loud crowd. Great crowd. Well, Smart had, and this is like we don't really have a stat for this,

but I guess we have the stats, but just the combined impact of it. He had four offensive rebounds, or three offensive rebounds and four steals. And he's a guard. So those are seven different plays that he swung, but then the impact of those, like that second offensive rebound put back,

as you said, it was the key crowd moment of the game, but then he had that steal right before the first half and then they got the cheap bucket and all of a sudden it was a little more manageable than the score was than it was, but he, he manages to do those things. I don't know how he's not on the team next year. And I don't know what the right price for him is. I also think if I was, you know, fortunately this is a summer where not a lot of people have cap space, but if I was another team, like you get that guy on your team and the culture that he brings and the ferocity and the intensity, if you're a shitty team, I don't know how you put a price on that. So I'm hoping nobody realizes that we get them for like 10, 11,

12 million a year or something. But, um, you know, he is a guy, he is a guy that would be a good guy to sign. It was a guy, uh, sitting next to Don who, um, I assumed had scalped the tickets. I'm sure that a high price, but every time smart had the ball, he was screaming out, don't shoot, don't shoot, don't shoot. And then when he made the shot, of course, he's standing up cheering. And I'm probably in the same ballpark.

Yeah, no, no, yes. I don't yell, don't shoot anymore. I just kind of cringe when he shoots. I've now changed my don't shoot to Marcus Morris when he has the ball. Don't shoot, don't shoot. You're probably right on that one. But I will say this about Morris. I don't know if we've ever had a, other than Pierce in the end of last decade, and it was before LeBron was LeBron,

but Pierce used to defend him pretty well in the 08 range. And Posey was okay against him too. But I don't remember a Celtic doing kind of a, I don't want to say better, but doing a more decent job on LeBron. He at least makes him work for whatever he's going to get. And LeBron can't overpower him. They're basically the same size. Morris is a big dude. He's 6'9",

250. I'm not going to disagree with you because at halftime, well, first of all, LeBron had 21 in the first quarter, but he only had four points in the second quarter. So that was... Because Morris was guarding him more in the second quarter.

They tried to get away with Jalen Brown and Tatum and... Cleveland did a great job in the first quarter of picking Morris off of LeBron. And we'd end up with somebody else guarding LeBron when he...

who had more difficulty when he went to the basket. I don't know if you recall, but LeBron, who had more difficulty when he went to the basket. Also, I don't know if you recall, but LeBron made three of his first four three-pointers. Well, when he made that one in front of the bench, I started to get the flashbacks of that game we went to, the 2012 game six, when he just murdered us. But the difference was they could never really pull away as he was doing that. Well, yeah. And everybody's written about it and, and I'm sure you've talked about it as well.

He didn't have his sidekick Kyrie Irving. Yeah. I mean, there was a slight period in the second quarter when Korver hurt us, you know, I think he made three threes and a two and he had 11 points at the half. I don't think he scored in the second half. They have an inconsistent group around LeBron.

You're using the word inconsistent? That's complimentary compared to what it actually is. They suck. They had three guys in double figures. I think we had five or six guys in double figures. Almost seven because had five or six guys in double figures. Almost seven because I think Baines had nine points.

You know, we're just... I'm still walking out of there shaking my head because there's no Irving, there's no Hayward. We have five guys out there playing terrific team basketball, but we never expected to be here.

We're two games away from the finals. I know. I just did, before you came on, I was saying the most surprising teams that made the finals, and just there's certain teams that, even if it's surprising they made the finals, they still had an all-NBA guy on the team,

like Dwight Howard and the Oni Magic. He was first team all-NBA there. He was the best center in the league. This team has no really anything. Although I think the listeners already heard me make this case, but I think Horford people are now appreciating that he's kind of better than everyone realized, but we felt this way the whole time.

But do you still feel like he's gone up a leap, gone up a level or, or you feel like this is our Horford? Um, I think he's gone up a level in the playoffs. I think he's a terrifically consistent player, team player. I mean, if it calls for him playing point forward, he'll play point forward. But I looked up at the scoreboard, I think at the end of the third quarter, he had seven points. And he was missing shots that he typically makes.

Yeah, he was off. Not just three-pointers. Yeah, I agree. I mean, his 15. So was Tatum. So was Tatum, yep. But in the fourth quarter, putting Smart aside, because he was crazy the whole game, Horford took over.

Yeah. He was, I think he had a minute-and-a-half span side because he was crazy the whole game. Horford took over. He was, I think he had a minute and a half span where he made like eight points and all of a sudden LeBron was walking to the bench and taken out of the game. I'm sure you can see this from your

seats. They just don't move on defense. And I don't know. I keep thinking like what's going to happen in Cleveland. And I'm sure we're, you know, I'm sure LeBron's going to get some calls in game three and the typical game three stuff. He got calls last night.

Yeah, but he's LeBron. He should get the calls. But, but I think the one thing that's not going to change with this Cavs team is how bad they are on defense. They've been bad the whole year. They've, they figured out how to kind of cheat it, but where you can get them is ball movement and running off of rebounds.

And like Tim Legler was on ESPN last night after the game, and he was pointing out like three plays that happened during the game where the Celtics would get a rebound and they would have all five guys underneath the Cavs basket. And then they would take off and the Cavs had guys like four guys back and the Celtics were still able to beat them down court because they're just, they're just not hustling. And I think LeBron has learned, there was a great Brian Windhorst story about this.

LeBron's learned how to kind of cheat during games and not, and save his energy basically basically, for offense. You can't do that against us. Because, like I said, I took Don to the game. He had never seen LeBron play. And we're walking out of the garden after the game, and he said, you know, LeBron doesn't play much defense. No. And I said, what do you mean?

He said, well, he kind of loafs out there. He paces. He tries to play, you know, safety or center field. Yeah. And it was very noticeable. On the other hand, he carried the offense. But he has to do that. Yeah, I know.

He's in his 15th year, and he's played a kajillion minutes. And he picks these spots to save energy. But I think what's interesting is, especially yesterday, the Celtics were kind of attacking that and they're going backdoor on him and sending picks and waiting for him to kind of zone out for a second. And there was a number of times

they were able to take advantage of that. Then you go to J.R. Smith and Kyle Korver. Like these guys aren't good defenders. The trades they made, you know, look at yesterday. Clarkson gets a DMP. Hood played 11 minutes, two points. Larry Nance played 11 minutes, zero points.

And then George Hill, who looked like a corpse last night, 33 minutes, three points. And those were their big trade deadline deals. And by the way, you don't have to worry about the Brooklyn pick conning us anymore in the lottery because it ended up being the eighth pick. Yeah, the eighth pick.

I mean, they'll get a player, but they're not going to get a superstar player. Yeah, you know, although I guess if Kyrie, Kyrie would have been hurt anyway, so they would have been missing him either way. Well, who knows? I mean, one injury on one team one year doesn't mean it would have happened on the other team.

So yesterday, they got 64 points and 25 rebounds from Love and LeBron, and they lost by 13. This Celtics team has been much better at home than on the road for the most part. And even the games they've won, they basically played like a good half. And guys like Rogier have been different guys at home than on the road. I think it's tougher to expect the energy guys. It's just not the same. You're on the road.

Yeah, we have to do what we did against Philly. We have to steal one of the two games. I don't know if you saw Ty Lue's post-game press conference, but he made a comment. He said, you know, the Celts don't play as well on the road. Yeah. And I'm not sure you want to throw that out there, because we already know that, but do you throw that out there to the Celtics?

And he also, I don't remember the word he used. It wasn't goons, but it was an inference that the Celtics play too physical a style of basketball. And I'm kind of laughing as I'm recalling J.R. Smith shoving with two hands in the back of Horford as he went curling and could have easily done something to his legs. Well, remember he knocked out Crowder a few years ago. There's a YouTube clip of J.R. Smith that's called J.R. Smith's 10 Dirtiest Plays. That probably could be. I didn't know that. Yeah, there's 10 of them, but there could probably be 20.

He's somebody that definitely has these moments where he just snaps during games. And has also had a really bad year. I think the Cavs fans have been the most frustrated with him, I think, over anybody. Love's always hurt us. Thompson, I thought his rebounding hurt us. But I think the problem for them is because they didn't develop their 7 through 11 guys at all, it's a pretty easy team to play because you know what you're getting. It's not like they can throw different lineups.

I wouldn't have started J.R. last night. I would have started Korver. Yeah, I agree. After that first half, Korver never got the ball. I don't think he played the third quarter. Do you know how many minutes he played? Yeah, you know how many minutes he played? No.

21. Yeah. I would have played him 35 minutes. I was going to say, I would have played him 40. I mean, every time he came off a screen, he was open. And the guy in front of me said, who scares you more, Redick or Korver? And I thought that was a really good question, given we've just seen Redick in the Philly series. They're very similar scary players.

You know, when that ball goes up in the air, you kind of assume it's going in. And there's not too many players like that. So I'm glad he didn't play that many minutes. Do you want to apologize to Jalen Brown for not liking that pick when they made it two years ago? I think you owe him something.

It was Rick Grossbeck that got booed. I didn't get booed. You didn't like the pick. I don't think I... Who did I say I wanted? I mean, I don't, I never heard Jalen Brown. You wanted Jamal Murray. I think it's from me on the bus. Who did, who did I want? Jamal Murray on Kentucky, who's now in Denver. That's who you wanted. You were upset. You were like, Jalen Brown, who is this guy he can't score

you don't remember that I don't think so I don't remember that at all do you remember being upset when they made the Tatum trade you didn't understand why you traded down why do we do that

what the hell's going on why don't we just take faults he's the best guy do you have any video evidence for that you know Zach Lowe and I I did Zach Lowe's podcast on Monday.

We were talking about that trade about the best part of that trade was the Lakers not smoke screening anybody at all and just staying at number two and not even pretending they were taking Tatum for a second. Cause the Celts were taking Tatum at one. They just figured they could get him at three. Cause the Lakers are taking Lonzo, get another asset. And all magic had to do was pretend he liked Jason Tatum for two seconds.

And we would have traded something to him, probably. No, or we just stay at one and we don't make the trade, right? Yeah, that's a good point. Except LA was stuck. They were between a rock and a hard place on that pick. Their fan base wanted them to take a ball.

Don't you think? Yeah, but I think they would end up taking them anyway, but I don't know if it's a good idea to have it out there who you're taking. We were worried about Sacramento. The Celtics have Sacramento's pick next year. It's top one protected. So our hope for Sacramento is that... They're the second worst team.

Or also that they don't get somebody who's good enough to kind of transform their team so that all of a sudden they're the eighth worst team instead of the third worst team. This morning I read a very well done article on The Ringer about the... They're projected top first and second round picks now in the draft. well done article on the ringer about the, um, they're projected top first and second round picks now in the,

in the draft. And there's, they're projecting Phoenix to take, uh, the kid from, uh, Spain and that, and that the center would go number two to the King. Well,

that's what we want. And you said that's what you want because he may be terrific in three years, but he's not going to carry a team next year. He's not going to be Shaq on the 93 Magic and come in and put up 22 and 12 a game. He will take a couple years. Doncic worries me for the Sacramento because he could come in and have an immediate impact

I've been really impressed by some of the stuff he's been doing for them with this Real Madrid team tough for Phoenix not to go for that franchise center though tough choice

that they're going to have I think I just think that I think Luka was special to do what he's doing well but to do what he's doing at 18, to be playing crunch time and being the guy on one of the best teams in Europe was crazy.

Well, obviously the New Phoenix coach coached him I think in the World Championships. I hope they take him. They take him and they still have no center, which is part of the reason I'm a little worried they may take the center. I thought... I thought...

I was the most worried when Phoenix hired that coach that they were going to end up with him anyway. Because it just seemed fishy to me. They hired this guy with this connection who I'd never really heard mentioned for a job. And then all of a sudden this guy is the Phoenix coach. So I figured like if they were two, three or four, he was going to rig it so that, hey, I'm not even going to come to the NBA unless I go to Phoenix.

But now Phoenix gets the number one pick. And you think about it, like if they had him, Booker and Josh Jackson and then they use their cap space to go sign Clint Capella all of a sudden that seems really fun it would be a little bit

like the Celtics with the great wings yeah but for Sacramento I don't really see they don't really have a lot of salary cap space

Fox is their best guy but he's a couple years away and I don't really see a path for them you know the big thing for us was was Brooklyn was Brooklyn, that Brooklyn pick not landing in the top three would have, would have sucked.

Yeah. I mean, if, if Brooklyn had, if actually Cleveland had ended up with the second pick in the draft, that would have just bothered me for some stupid reason. So can I read got number eight. Before we go, can I read some of your tweets from last night? My dad's on Twitter. Well, I need to say my phone died in the third quarter. So my loyal fan base, I couldn't tweet anything.

My dad has 26,000 followers, which I think puts you in the top 50 for people over 70. But unfortunately, your phone died and your prostate died in the third quarter. Yeah, it was a tough night. Here's some of your tweets from last night. Seltz settling for the three, blah, blah, blah. Also, has LeBron ever had a turnover or missed a shot where he wasn't fouled? Cry baby! Three exclamation points.

That was one. League apparently gave the message to the refs, need the series tied at one, heading back to Cleveland. Terrible calls all game. Then the next one. With my brother Don, who's never seen LeBron in person, asked me why LeBron cries to the refs every time he doesn't get a call, misses a shot, or commits a turnover.

I told him there's one set of rules for the King and another for everyone else. You were fired up. So I guess my point is people wonder where I get it from, but I'm 50% you, and that's where I get it from because those sound like exaggerated, crazy tweets that I would do. I guess they do. It really bugs me when LeBron cries every time something happens. You hate LeBron. It really bugs me. I mean, he'll get a turnover and it will be the Celtics' fault. God forbid he gets called for a foul.

He's never fouled in his career. And if he misses a shot, obviously he must have gotten hit on the arm. It's such a consistent Crybaby theme during the game. He really does. Obviously it bugged me during the game. Yeah. You know what they do? The Celtics do this.

I don't know if people realize this, but LeBron always looks up at the Jumbotron after any call that goes against him for replay. He does. I watched it last night. You're right. But do you know what the Celtics do? Well, the Celtics don't show stuff that's controversial. No, they don't show any replay that he's going to look up. They just show him looking up at the Jumbotron. So he looks up for the call and it's just LeBron looking at himself, basically. And it's one of their little tricks.

I saw him looking up there and there was kind of an iffy call. And he's looking up there and the Jumbotron has a picture of him looking up there. But I didn't realize that that's a deliberate effort on the part of the Celtics not to give him anything to then go scream to the ref about, right? The other thing that I learned last night was that Marcus Morris' brother, Markeith, was sitting under the basket near where Wick was. And apparently when J.R. Smith did that foul,

he was standing up and screaming at J.R. Smith. We had both Morris brothers upset at J.R. Smith. I think that's good for us. That's very funny. So how are you feeling? Do we win this? Oh, God. When Cleveland was up 11 last night in the third quarter, I just didn't know if we could

come back because LeBron, we couldn't stop LeBron. And then suddenly it's 84-77 and we're in the lead and I'm not sure how it happened. I said to Don, what happened? We're down by 11 and now we're up by 7.

It happened so fast. Can we do this? Yeah, we can do this. But we have to steal one in Cleveland. And you're coming back for game six. Wouldn't you like to see us up 3-1? No, I'm coming back for five. I mean game five.

Would you like to see us up 3-1? No, I want to cancel my trip because we swept. That's my dream scenario. Oh, okay. Well, that's not happening. I know, but I'm just saying if you gave me my draft picks for choices for the rest of the series, number one would be I have to cancel my trip because we swept the series. Number two would be we're up 3-1 and going into game five.

But I do think this big layoff before game three helps the Celtics because this is— If it's 2-2 next Wednesday night, unfortunately, I have horror memories of that Miami team coming in here. I think that was game six. LeBron just being...

He was younger, obviously, but he was totally unstoppable that night. He doesn't have the same gas tank. And the thing that I'm curious for, if I had to bet, if you told me it's going to be 2-2 and the Cavs are going to win game five in Boston, that's one scenario, or the Cavs are going to splinter and get swept would be the other scenario,

which neither one I don't think is that realistic. I see them splintering more than rallying because I thought the stuff that was going on last night, and the announcers were talking about it, but then the people I know who were at the game were like they were yelling at each other and the body language was awful. I could see-

They were yelling at each other, by the way. The, it'll be interesting to see. George Hill and J. J. R. Smith were yelling at each other. Yeah.

It'll be interesting to see. It just doesn't seem like a happy team, which makes me wonder, you know, Clarkson's unhappy. Hood refused to go in a game. Thompson's playing time got ranked around all year. J.

R. Smith is a freaking wild card. Kevin Love. It's like, he's either LeBron's best friend or LeBron's a bad at one or the other. You're going down the line. Nance isn't playing. But again, they, they play much better at home. True.

And we have, we have guys, and Terry Rozier is the perfect example. I don't know what happens to him on the road, but he's not the same player. Well, he's, he's a young player. Well, he's a young guy. Yeah, he's a young guy. I mean, if this series goes seven, I mean, let's say everybody holds home court and game seven in Boston. It's a Sunday night at 830. My God. That's crazy.

Wow. Don't you think? It's crazy for you. Why is it that this is a Sunday at 3.30 in the afternoon game. People are worried about your heart and your health. Do you want to give them the report on that before we go? Fortunately, I have good heart medication. I didn't need any of it on Sunday.

What was that pause? I didn't need any of it on Sunday. Tuesday you needed it? I needed it last night. It led to my bathroom visit. I'd like to see a sweep. It would certainly help my heart

condition. Then we're on to the finals. The Celtics need time to recover and so do you. We'll see. This is certainly one of the most improbable. I feel like 2012, making the finals with that team, that seemed like it was pretty much done.

That was pretty crazy. Last year, just making it to round three was relatively nuts. If we're in a game seven in Boston, are you here? What kind of fan are you? Are you here? Are you flying coast to

coast for game seven? I'm going to wait to see what happens. Okay. I think I'm a pretty good fan. I've come back a few times already. I think you're a great fan. Thanks a lot. I had three people come up

to me last night and say, really enjoying your tweets. Oh, you've been really having a renaissance. The social media renaissance. It's great. This is great for you. You need to give me a couple more shout outs. All right.

I don't know that I have the over 70 crowd yet. Are they tweeting, by the way? Probably not. Okay. All right. Dad, hang in there. I'll talk to you later in the week. All right. Talk to you probably that. Okay. All right. Dad, hang in there. I'll talk to you later in the week. All right, talk to you.

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Yeah. Can you fix that? Thank you. It took 10 seconds for this to get inappropriate. Thank you. You're coming off a triumphant appearance on house of carbs. Yes. You talked about um

san antonio food you did not like my comments about the san antonio text just closest i'd ever come to quitting my job yeah i didn't mean that i i should have checked i should have at least given you a heads up something i was saying the the text max is great but that's really the only alternative there and if you're there for eight days and by day four, it's like you can't eat another fajita. You can't have another taco. And you're just like, can I have a salad or a juice or anything? We have fajita salads.

Fajita salads. That's an actual thing. Salsa juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm one of those guys that likes to mix it up. And there's not a lot of mixing it up in San Antonio. No, there's not. You're going to get some beans and some rice and some meat.

And some sizzling chicken. And arrange it in a way that is pleasing to you. But your case was Tex-Mex is the best and so what if it's the only thing on the menu? It still kicks everything else's ass. Shaq dunked everything. It's the same thing. Why do we want Shaq

to shoot a three pointer? Well, I don't want Mexicans in San Antonio cooking up, I don't know, Italian food. You don't need pasta

in San Antonio. No, I don't need pasta in San Antonio. You got, there is some barbecue, but you have to kind of leave San Antonio

and head out about 40 minutes. We did it. Jalen and I did it once. We went to whatever the most famous place was and it was like a, probably an $80 taxi. And then the part 40 minutes. We did it. Jalen and I did it once. We went to whatever the most famous place was. And it was like a, probably an $80 taxi.

And then the part we didn't realize what, we did, we really did. We paid $80 for a taxi. Okay. And the part we didn't realize was the taxi back home. It was like, oh yeah, we're in the middle of nowhere. And now we have to find somebody to drive us back. So that was an issue. But I'll tell you, nothing, I've never seen anybody happier than Jalen Rose

in an old school barbecue place. Really? Oh my God. Big barbecue guy, huh? He just, when we went to Gus's Fried Chicken in Memphis, I actually, I think it might've been the first Instagram picture I ever took was Jalen in this Gus's Fried Chicken thing.

And he was just, he's just that all of those foods, that was my favorite part of traveling with them. We would go find like whatever, like the under the radar barbecue chicken place or all that stuff. You're moving to San Antonio soon. Correct. July. Just in time for the 10th straight lottery appearances. That's what I'm showing.

I want to be like on the panel when we, you know, the person they send. They're going to send you. If they can send Jamie Girtz, they can send Chase Serato. Jamie Girtz, I think they could start a trend now of celebrities who, you know, had their moment, maybe not recently. And those become your lottery representatives. It worked out well for them. I would say, would you- They got the third pick, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Would you have sent William Z- They got the third pick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Would you have sent William Zabka from the Cobra Kai series that we're about to talk about? That's an automatic first pick. Yeah. If he's there, if he's like- Johnny Lawrence. But he has to be dressed.

He has to be dressed like Johnny Lawrence. Yeah. With the bandana and everything. Or the Clippers. The Clippers, they've sent Billy Zabka is going to be their person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really think that would have worked for them. Yeah.

But Cobra Kai, so you wrote about this for The Ringer, but I have not talked about it yet. I was supposed to have Macho and Zapka on my podcast last week and something happened and we had to delay it. So I can't wait anymore. I want to talk about this.

Okay. Heard about this idea and felt bad for everybody. Just like a year ago. Really? It was like, oh, this is sad. This makes me sad. No way.

This is a mistake. We can't do this. Okay. YouTube Red, what the hell have they done? Billy Zabka, he hasn't acted in 25 years since his legendary, I call it a three-peat, karate kid Kid, just one of the guys back to school. Yeah. I don't know where that makes-

The greatest bully run in history. Yeah, it's like Shaq 000102 versus Billy Zabka 848586. I don't know. We don't have the stats to really cross genres, but an incredible run, faded off. I did Adam Carolla's radio show, I'm gonna say 10 years ago. And we had him come on to talk about Karate Kid.

And he was 80% into it and like 20% pissed off about it. Like I'm an actor. You know, I don't define myself by this movie. And Adam and I were both like, what the hell are you talking about? You're Johnny Lawrence. Like you won the lottery. This is one of the great iconic roles ever.

But now it seems like he's embraced it. So anyway, they had the trailer. I'm going to say about two months ago. And the trailer was good. I thought it was fake when the trailer happened. Yeah, it was like, this is too good. What's happening? And it became clear they spent money on this.

I still was was my guard was still up and then the korean iverson donnie quack he that's his self-proclaimed nickname oh yeah i heard it on the music podcast um so korean iverson is in our slack and is like cobra kai is amazing it's really good i just ripped through it is anyone else watching this or are you guys on the demo? And he's probably 10 years younger than I am. You're mid thirties, right? You late thirties? Yeah, 36.

So I would say that the Karate Kid demo, Nephew Kyle, you Karate Kid guy? Yeah. Yeah, see, I don't know where the demo ends. I think it stretches forever. Maybe it does. My kids just watched it. So Kwok loved it.

And I'm like, okay, I'm in. So my whole family was gone on a Saturday night two weeks ago. Daughter's at a bar mitzvah. My son and my wife were somewhere. And I just banged out all of them. And I had beer in the fridge. Probably drank like seven. Watched 10 episodes.

It was probably what, five hours? Yeah. Each episode was between like 23 and 31 minutes. It was five hours of joy is what it was. And you agree. 100% agree. They did everything right, it felt like. Yeah.

Every single thing that they could have messed up on, they avoided it. And everything that they could do right, they did it. From little tiny hat tips in there to big gigantic ones. It was just, it was really, really well done. What I realized, they did two really, really smart things. One was they flipped it and they made Johnny Lawrence sympathetic. This was a guy who was one of the iconic 80s villains. I certainly made my shared jokes

about him in columns over the years i talked about how one joke i remember having was how after he graduated he went to duke yeah like he clearly was there he's the captain of the lacrosse team um the basically the closest we've had to like an Aryan youth character that without actually embracing. Okay. Just all those, like he's just, he was that guy. Right.

And they flipped it. And within 15 minutes of the first show, I'm rooting for Johnny Lawrence. Yeah. And then they have this key episode. I can't remember which, which it was a few down and where he's telling the kid that he's training. Yeah.

This guy, Daniel LaRusso. And he's like, this guy comes in. I just broke it up with my girlfriend. This guy's hitting on her. Yeah. He starts a fight with me and they're backing up with the footage for the

movie. And I'm like, Oh yeah, Daniel LaRusso is kind of an asshole. And he's able to get his ass kicked. Did that flip your opinion on Daniel LaRusso? No, I'm still very pro LaRusso.

He's just so charming. He's too charming to not like. Even when you rewatch the movie and you see like, he's kind of talking to his mom like a dick right now. But he just, he gives you that smile and that all shucks posture that he does. And he pulls you in. Yeah, the way that they turned Johnny Lawrence,

who in the original Karate Kid is just as bad as a villain gets. Evil. As far as intimidating. Like, I don't know why he's so intimidating. It's a little bit of his voice. It's a little bit of his hair. It's like he's not super handsome, but just handsome enough to like sort of throw you off.

It's always, you know somebody's evil when one of their henchmen, when they're kicking somebody's ass and somebody's like, that's enough, Johnny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he hit that, other people telling him that's enough, you know they're evil somebody's ass and somebody's like that's enough Johnny like he hit that other people telling him that's enough you know they're evil at that point and yeah they just lean into him how his

life fell apart and he's trying to put it together I thought the scene for me that did it that made me go like okay this show's gonna be like he's gonna be great in this role is when he's in the convenience store and the guy is like he has a pizza. Yeah.

He orders a pizza and he's like looking for a plate. And so he gets into an argument with the cashier. Yeah. But the cashier speaking Spanish and Miguel, who he eventually comes on a train, is like translating for him. And the guy says something in Spanish. And then he asks him, what did he say? And then the kid starts laughing. He says, he said you have like a

small whatever and then he goes like you said I have a small wang and then he just looks at him with those like Johnny Lawrence eyes no smile or anything he goes tell him he has a tiny wang and that's it and I was like yes this is exactly what I'm looking for right here he was so good they laid it out really early

with an old action movie cliche of the guy waking up and there's the beer next to him yeah on the bed which he then decides to drink even though it's like nine in the morning which i think has been in maybe 38 to 40 movies over it's like oh this guy's not his life's not going well he's he's drinking a half a warm half beer. That's how you know. That's how he's waking up. Yeah. He did everything but light the cigarette. He didn't smoke.

You can always tell. It's either that or you could tell by how hard they turn their alarm clock off. It's like, brr, brr. They bang it, they throw it. Yeah. Like, okay, I know where you are in life. Yeah. And then, so the other thing is Daniel LaRusso, a very successful cardio guy now.

Absolutely believable. Big billboards. Believable. Yeah. I agree. Because you know why? Because Mr. Miyagi taught him how to be a winner. Yeah.

He's a charmer. He's like, you need that skill set to sell cars to people. And that was another part that really made me laugh. They show, the first time you see him is on Billy's TV. Yeah. Or on Johnny's TV. And it's a commercial and it's just like a normal commercial and then at the end he like starts chopping the prices in half yeah he's

like yeah yeah and it's like this is this is really fun there's a lot of really smart stuff in it and it made me not like ralph macchio that much but i still had the dna of liking him from the three movies yeah um so it was like they could, they could have ratcheted it up and made him more likable. They made his kids unlikable. I wasn't having the daughter. She's in a hit and run pretty early. Yeah.

I like the daughter. She's working two guys against each other. I liked her. I didn't like the son. He kind of has just sort of a throwaway role. You don't have a daughter. That's true. You weren't judging her like a dad.

I was judging it like, why are you playing these two guys against each other that's not how i raised you right right why are you showing up at the party with this new guy come on um but so that was great what i realized though as i'm watching it is you know there's all this ip from the 70s 80s and 90s and when they re they do the remakes um either they remake it and they modernize it which is really not work that often like they did like the total recall remake it's like why do we need this total recall was good right and then it's like here's an inferior terrible remake of a movie that you liked or like amityville horror it's like i i like the

amityville horror i didn't need another amityville Horror. The Ryan Reynolds one? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they do this, or they do like the Godfather 3 version of here are these characters later, and they try to make it a new movie and bring in all these crazy new characters. This was like, you like these movies in the 80s. Mm-hmm. You know these characters. Mm-hmm. Here they are now. Yeah. And some things have changed, but characters, here they are now.

Yeah. And some things have changed, but ultimately here they are. But also we know what happened in the old movie. We're not hitting all the same beats. We're going to acknowledge the old movie. We're going to show footage from the old movie. Great touch. We're going to bring you back in.

And it's like you just picked up where it left off. And I don't know why that hasn't really worked that well but I feel like they stumbled on something and now I'm thinking like what's next what else can we do? Yeah I think the trick there is you want to

when you're remaking a thing you want to not advance anything like with the Total Recall thing that's why it didn't work Total Recall was already set in the future now you're just setting it a little further in the future it's like now it's further in the future or whatever and you've got all this like super advanced stuff with the karate kid when they're just like this these are just the people and that's all you need and we're gonna we're still cobra kai and we're still this we're still we're not changing the pieces we're still using the same sort of music just you know it felt old and new at the same time which is always a tricky thing

to be able to pull off so i and i don't want to say they invented it because we've seen other other people have done this like the brady bunch movie when i was i was living in boston it was after i was a graduate of college and it was about 20 years after the Brady Bunch had been this iconic show of my childhood. Right. And they basically brought it back, but they had new actors playing all the same people. And part of why it worked was because they were making fun of,

it was this very elaborate making fun of this show from the 70s with all the new characters. So that works. But I think Rocky, the 2006 2006 movie which i have conflicted feelings on when they he came back and that with antonio tarver yeah okay the the fight scene's good the love interest is not good there's things i would do differently with it ultimately it was nice to have him back yeah but then creed i think is the best example of this so creed comes out for cobra kai they take rocky who i already like i have a history with and they now we've advanced but then Creed, I think, is the best example of this. Creed is a perfect example. So Creed comes out before Cobra Kai.

They take Rocky, who I already like, I have a history with, and now we've advanced his life, and now new things are happening. Yeah. And that's what they did with this. Yeah. I think the other thing you need to do is you have to, when you're pulling in all the new people or reintroducing all the characters, you need for it to change just a little bit, just enough to make it feel more interesting and that's what they did here when they turn like we're gonna put we're gonna

make ralph the bad guy this time or or daniel with the bad guy we're gonna make johnny the good guy we're gonna get to see the new johnny lawrence like his origin story with yeah ds which was which is always fun to watch um yeah you have to do those sorts of things yeah they the casting was good i was glad they just didn't cast white people yeah of course they mixed it up they had all kinds all types and they set up season two brilliantly yeah all the tracks down perfect should we give away the spoiler maybe how many weeks is i don't want to spoil the the the last spoiler yeah let's not spoil that but okay i was super excited oh yeah how's it oh yeah it was like one of those yeah yeah uh i was also really surprised by how likable of an actor billy

zapka was he did not think he had that in him why hasn't that dude been acting i don't know but yeah that's like the tiny wang scene that i was talking about because he's in a lot of scenes he does little things where you just laugh and when he i think his relationship with miguel for me was like the most touching part i agree um they do that quick little trick where we find out he has a kid and the kid doesn't like him and he's really sort of going through it. And this is after Miguel's mom had pulled him away from Johnny. And so they do like a cut shot and they show him at the door

explaining to someone like, this kid is the last, he's all that I have left. He's the only one that believes in me anymore. And you think it's the son and then they swing it around and it's Miguel's mom. And you're like,

let's fucking go. Let's do this. Although he never slept with the mom, which I was upset about. He didn't. No, he can't. That's going to,

that, that doesn't, that doesn't happen for season two. That's season three. Yeah. They could have had margaritas when they got drunk and something bad could have happened. That'll be,

that'll definitely be, be season three. But yeah, they do like, there was that part. There was a part where when he goes and he gets the cobra kai reinstated back into the tournament and then they're paralleling that with with uh miguel out on a date and then they meet back over the dojo and he's like did you do your thing i did my yeah and they just start celebrating

together like yes this is so great and they think some good homages like the uh he goes on the date and some but they play the same music that Daniel-san played when he was with Ally. Yeah. I love the part when they got drunk at the bar together and they go look up Ally on Facebook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's married and she lives in Denver. It's really clever. Yeah.

You would have wanted more episodes. I thought I would have settled for eight. I thought 10 was too many. But you would have gone for like 15. I would have gone like office style. Give me 22 episodes. It would have settled for eight. I thought 10 was too many, but you would have gone for like 15. I would have gone like office style. Give me 22 episodes. It would have been great. I would have liked to see them stretch it out

just a little bit more. They also had the good training scene that they basically just copied from the movie with that music. The really good Karate Kid music. Do, do, do, do, do, do. And they're on the canoe with like it's twilight and they're doing like the poses

so they did that part so they played some of the hits but they did it in a way that didn't feel over the top I was really impressed and it made me think like what else is out there I'd always going back to my column 15 years ago I'd always joked about

a movie where Drago and Clubber Lang fight. And it's just basically like Rocky ruined our careers but now we're both on the comeback trail and Rocky's retired and there's this arc headed toward. Now those guys are too old but I would still kind of like to

catch up with Ivan Drago. Drago versus Clubber. That movie is nine minutes long. Yeah. And Drago just. It might just be a trailer. Destroys him. Oh really? You have Drago as Clubber, that movie is nine minutes long. Yeah. And Drago just- It might just be a trailer. Destroys him. Oh, really? You have Drago as the favorite?

Oh, 100%. I think Drago's PD is, I think it's like an Andrew Gulotta thing. I think he has a very short run. Rocky's, when his second fight with Clubber, when he's like at peak Rocky form, which was not the best version of Rocky. Rocky and Rocky 4 is the best version of rocky rocky yeah rocky and rocky four is the best version of rocky rocky and rocky's incredible shape he's like he's like a welterweight and rocky yeah he's a big guy he's like no he's like 160 pounds of just muscle yeah

but uh but yeah in rocky three that fight only goes like two or three rounds and then yeah it's over that's a flaw in rocky three that Clubber is that tired after two rounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rocky's like, look at him. He can't breathe. The Clubber's like, See, I've had this argument many times. I think Rocky III is the best Rocky movie,

but I like Rocky IV the most. Yeah, I think that's a fair statement. I think Rocky IV is the most entertaining. I think Rocky III start to finish is actually just a really good movie. It's really smart. It's a genuinely good movie. It's really well written.

It's got twists and turns. Clubber Lang is incredible. Thunder Lips is incredible. It's the best Pauly. Adrian looks genuinely good in that movie. It's the only Rocky movie where they touch on race at all. Yeah.

Pauly gets a little racist in Rocky 3. Yeah. The basic cable, they might have to edit a couple of those lines out. But it's got the unbelievable ending of the what if ending when they have the third fight and we'll never know. And that's another example what they do with Creed where they like jump back to a thing and show you something that you didn't get to see before, and they clear it up.

They do that in Cobra Kai. So what else is out there for you? Because we both agree this works. We both recommend Cobra Kai. What do you want? What do you want from the 80s or 90s? They're making Top Gun 2, which worries me, but at the same time, Cobra Kai has now opened my eyes to if Top Gun 2 is done correctly. Top Gun 2, which worries me. But at the same time, Cobra Kai has now opened my eyes to if Top Gun 2 is done correctly.

Top Gun 2 can work. Fat. It's just planes. Fat Val Kilmer. Planes haven't changed that much. Planes haven't changed. Put him in charge of flight school. Cruise would like, my fear is like Cruise with like badly dyed hair, pretending he's

not 58 years old anymore. Right, right, right. Trying to still be Maverick and having some girl that's too young for him and that's where it could go wrong but on the other hand if he's in the Tom Skerritt role what was his character

in Top Gun? Tom Skerritt? The guy who's the father figure? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he's in that role for somebody who's the new Maverick I think that could work. I don't know.

You gotta I guarantee he's not with Kelly McGillis though. Switch it enough. No, no, no. She's out. Give me we do need I would like to see Top Gun. I would like to see new Bloodsport.

If we're going to make a TV series out of a movie, Bloodsport has all the parts you need. So you, you, me, and our old Grantland colleague and friend, Ray Bartholomew, are the three people who love Bloodsport the most of all people, including Jean-Claude Van Damme and everyone else. And maybe my son, cause I think I've gotten him into it enough. Yeah. The original blood sport came out 30 years ago. It is one of the best 10 premises ever for an action movie.

Absolutely. It's incredible. Go. He goes to the secret tournament. What is it? Thailand somewhere. It's like a Thailand type. Yeah.

We don't really know. But he's also, the Americans don't want him to fight, so he's kind of on the run for the Americans. And then this crazy, I don't even know how they came up with it, the fight thing where it's like, it's a little bit hilled. Oh, the mat.

The mat is like, it goes up, so you have a chance to do these running crazy kicks. And basically you're allowed to kill somebody. And Chong Li, who's a menace and who's the most steroid guy that's ever existed, somehow goes too far in a tournament where you're allowed to kill somebody and everybody turns their back on him. It's like, well, that was too far. You killed him the wrong way. You shouldn't have broken his neck after he gave up. Come on, Chong him. Yeah. It's like, well, that was too far. You killed him the wrong way. You shouldn't have broken his neck after he gave up.

Come on, Chugley. Yeah. But that is start to finish great. And I'm with you. Why isn't that a series? Any movie that has a tournament in it is automatically like at least 40% good. You can't lose.

Yeah. It's because the last 25 minutes, you know, it's just working to the last 25. You know what you're getting. I'm with you on Bloodsport. Sadly, RIP pour out a 40 for Patrick Swayze, but Roadhouse 30 years later where he's now the same Elliot character.

What happened with the Roadhouse remake that they were doing? Weren't they talking about doing it with Ronda Rousey a couple of years ago? I think the problem was Ronda Rousey was in it. Ronda Rousey's good. She can't act though. Probably not, but she could fight.

Her Fast and Furious scenes. Oh, we should mention Justin Lin locked in for Fast and Furious 9. Is he? Yeah. Let's go. They just announced that two days ago. Fast and Furious 9.

He did the best too. Yeah. What are your favorite? I forget. First place is the first one for me. Well, because that's the most realistic. The last one, I'm almost ready to do a podcast with you about the last one. It's got a lot of holes.

I love the last one. I still don't understand the missile underneath the water tracking the people on cars on ice going 200 miles an hour and what happened to everybody. You gotta just not ask any questions. You can't ask any questions for the last two. The further into the series

you get the less amount of questions you can ask. I still think them driving a car through two skyscrapers is the most unrealistic moment in the movie

but you could also talk me into parachuting on onto the mountain but also going full speed and dropping the parachute. I still, when I watch, you can't even do that in Fortnite.

When I watch, when I watch them jumping from building to building, I still like lean back in my seat. It's harrowing. It's harrowing. When does the rock skyscraper movie come out? And are we seeing it together? It comes out this summer.

I'm excited for that. July. I think, I think in July. But yeah, that's going to be good. So going backwards, Speed? No, that doesn't work as a TV. We're talking about

movie to TV series, right? Either. Oh, you want movie to TV? Yeah. It would take us five minutes to make Speed a TV series. Yeah, exactly. Keanu Reeves is still a bomb guy. And now there's a guy they can't catch. And it's like 24, basically.

What if it's 10 hours of real time? You got to go catch him. I don't think Speed works as a TV show. I think the biggest mistake 24 made was not coming back as a binge watch show on Netflix. Yeah. Where it's like, here's 13 episodes of 24 it's 13 hours and bang through it yeah speed could work for that though speed could i don't know what if it's i'm trying to think uh somebody you love i mean like your three favorite actors that

you feel like aren't getting enough do do right now? Current actors or old actors? Either. Give me- Name all three famous Mexican actors right now. I want, we don't have three. Name two. They're like three Latino actors. Three Latino actors. Give me John Leguizamo.

I want a John Leguizamo TV show. How about John Leguizamo as the Dennis Hopper terrorist torturing Keanu Reeves? He could be the bad guy, but I think he works better as a good guy, as like a sympathetic good guy. What about 11 Latino actors who turn on Hollywood

and start terrorizing Hollywood because there's not enough parts? That would work. And only Keanu Reeves could stop them. But we still, if you have 11- All of them would get hired. 11 of them-

Jimmy Spitz would be able to come back. We have like- All of them would get hired. 11 of them. Jimmy Smith would be able to come back. We have to CGI four of them because we only have seven. John Leguizamo's got to play three parts. It'd be Jimmy Smith's with CGI technology

so they could use L.A. Law, Jimmy Smith's. And what was the move, Running Scared, Jimmy Smith's? Like when they did it with the new Terminator

with Arnold. They brought back the new Terminator. Where do you stand on Running Scared? The Paul Newman one? No, the- The Paul Walker one? The Billy Crystal Gregory Hines one.

I've never seen that one. Oh. Wait, that's the one they remade with Paul Walker? No, that's just same title, totally different movie. This one was like- I do like that one. A buddy cop movie with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines. Really?

That has Jimmy Smith as the bad guy. It has Joe Pantoliano in one of his key 80s. Oh, I love Joe. He's a great character actor, right? I guarantee you will like this movie. And has an essential 80s Michael McDonald song in it. Okay. Yeah.

Really great. All right. It's really, I actually, I don't understand why they didn't make five running scares. And I know the, the three people still listen to this podcast. Agree with me right now. At least one of them are like, Oh,

I'm so glad someone brought this up. So wait, so what is your, what's your pecking order for movies you'd make? Uh, give me blood sport first place. So you go 10 episodes of Bloodsport in Thailand? 10 episodes of Bloodsport.

Yeah, I'm going to do the same thing. We got a guy who has to go fight in a tournament. Roadhouse we can't do because really nobody's left from that movie now. Swayze killed everybody and then he died in real life. I don't know how they do that one. He's out. You can't do Roadhouse,

but you could probably do... I think it would be cool to do just one of the guys. Oh, wow. Right? That movie is not age well. My daughter was like, what's going on with this movie? She can't write for a school paper? I don't understand that.

She's a girl. She can't write for the school paper? What? You have to redo some parts of it, but I feel like right now would be a good time to remake that one those crossover movies where nobody in the new high school can figure out that it's actually a girl and there's no real reason for them to be doing it but they commit to it anyway it's like i'm gonna spend three months dressed like a boy to prove some point to my newspaper editor yeah it's a little flawed.

What about Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield? I feel like that would work as a TV show. I think that one could probably work too. Although they basically just remade that as the movie with that, the Melissa McCarthy movie, Life of the Party. So my daughter came home from that Melissa McCarthy movie and told me the plot. And I was like, this is Back to School.

She had no idea what that meant. Yeah. Did you go see it? Yeah, what that meant. Yeah. So. Did you go see it? Yeah, she liked it. It's good. Didn't they also do that with Cedric the Entertainer? Didn't they remake Back to School with him too?

I didn't see that one. Are we just out of ideas? Yeah, I think so. I think so. They're making the purge of TV series. That works. That'll work. Yeah.

What you need for a good TV series, and another reason Cobra Kai works, is you need to build up to a thing that could be like, this is the end of it. Yes. We got to the end of the tournament. You knew the tournament was coming. That's how it has to end, at the end of the tournament. And then now we're going to set up next season as another tournament. Same thing. So that's why Friday Night Lights works so well. Right. We're getting to the playoffs, and that's what we're going to do. We're going to win state. Bank robberies would work. We both

saw, what was that last bank robbery movie that came out at Tech Studio that we had talked about? Den of Thieves. Good start. Solid ending. Very tough hour plus in between. Gerard Butler was, as Chris Ryan said, Gerard

Butler was going for it. Gerard Butler is like the best, said, Gerard Butler was going for it. Gerard Butler is like the best, worst, bad, good actor in any movie I've ever seen. He is completely over the top. It's enjoyable. I think he thinks he's doing way better than we do, but I still like it. Yeah. That to me seemed like he didn't do any actual research on anything.

He was in his house like what would a cool mean guy do oh i'm gonna wear a ring and an affliction t-shirt like what are you doing i'm gonna oh i'm gonna act like i'm hungover yeah yeah i'm gonna get girls i'm gonna say a cool thing um i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna stare at people i was really surprised by how much i liked den of thieves i was expecting to go into you know why not liking it why because you're the only person i know who loves bank robbery movies more than i do well i do love a good bank robbery movie sometimes they don't work though sometimes they don't work and i saw the cast and i was like gerard butler nah 50 cent nah i don't i don't know these guys here's my counter on 50 cent are we sure he's not a really good actor?

No, that's what I was going to say. I really like 50 Cent as an actor. He was great in Den of Thieves. Yeah. He was the best guy in Den of Thieves. Super duper likable. And I was rooting for him, even though he was a bank robber. He was just killing multiple people.

Yeah. The prom date scene when he takes the kid into the garage. And he's like, I worked on this because I wanted to say it as nice as possible while he's threatening his life. Like it was a really great scene. He dies great in the movie. If you told me in 2001, whenever he had his iconic album, A, 50 Cent's going to be alive in 2018.

I'd be like, no way. There's zero chance. He'd already been shot like what, 10 times? You get shot before you get famous though. But I just would assume that was it. Okay. Two, 50 Cent is not going to sing anymore or perform or anything.

He's going to be an actor on weird pay-per-view movies. I would have been like, no way. And then three, he's going to date Chelsea Handler. And I've been like, I don't know who that is, but no way. There's no chance. It was really good. Yeah, he was really good. So we recommend Den of Thieves, but we're kind of, we both like bank robbery movies.

Yeah. 100%. We talked about this on a rewatchables pod. We talked about what roles we would have in a bank robbery. And I said, I absolutely want to be the driver. And I actually kind of want to be a bank robbery driver. If that's my next career plan, if the ringer falls apart, that's plan B for me.

That's what it is? Yeah, I'm a bank robbery driver. It is the most bank robberies in every city. I'll just be the driver. You said you want to be the guy who jumps on the counter and shoots the gun into the ceiling and says, everybody get down or else. That's who you want to be, right?

You might hit the guard. No, that's not me. What did you say? I can't remember. That's my wife. Oh, that's your wife. She was that role. That's your wife.

Who are you? I'm the guy who dies early. Like I made a mistake or i didn't have an enemy to shoot you dainty trey yeah i didn't have an enemy to shoot somebody and i got got that's me i'm never i every time i watch those movies and i think that's part of the reason i like them so much is i get to pretend at least for a few minutes like i want to be cool like pablo and and denieves, like Merriman, like who's supposed to be the main boss. He was so great.

He didn't say much. He just sort of stood there. He stretched it. He has already a long neck. He sort of stretched it out further to look down on everyone. Like I want to be like that. But I know in my heart of hearts, like that's not me. You know who I am?

I'm in Godfather. Remember Enzo the baker? Yeah. He shows up to to pay his wishes. And then Michael pulls him in like, hey, stand here with me. And so he does it, but he's terrified the whole time.

That's me, I think. You can talk me into it, but I'm not going to be any good. Are we nearing 25th anniversary, Terry, for Blood and Blood Out yet? Isn't it 1993? Yes, 1993. A movie that's not on cable anymore. Your favorite movie. The 30th anniversary. for Blood In Blood Out yet? Isn't it 1993? Yes, 1993. A movie that's not on cable anymore.

Your favorite movie. The 30th anniversary. Yeah, it's a- No, 25th anniversary. I mean, 25th. Yeah. Yeah. They won't show it. They'll show everything.

They'll show Cocktail 20 times a day. By the way, Cocktail's another one that could come back. Cocktail could work. Cruz is living in a resort in Jamaica that he owns. His wife left him. He's a bartender. Yeah. You could go a bunch of different ways. His working with him you remember that one hbo show with uh oh it was

his name i remember all the hb he's like the lovable bachelor larry the lovable bachelor some guy like that he was like a nerdy looking guy and the whole show mind of the married man no it wasn't that one i I don't think. Dream On? Might have been Dream On, I don't know. It was that one I was in middle school or high school. All I remember from the show is that there was always a sex scene in every episode. HBO knew their audience at that point. They would have that, First and Ten,

The Hitchhiker. First and Ten! The Hitchhiker was another one. It was like, you get in a sex scene during the show at some point because we know you guys don't have internet porn yet. Now they don't need to do that. Back then, it was like, you get in a sex scene during the show at some point because we know you guys don't have internet porn yet. Yeah. Now they don't need to do that. Back then, it was like,

The Hitchhiker, that was internet porn. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't remember how we got on this subject. I don't either. Shay,

you have anything to plug? No, I don't have anything to plug. Readtheringer.com and that's all. That's it? That's it. And watch Den of Thieves

and Cobra Kai. Shout out Miguel Diaz forever. Kawh's it? That's it. And watch Den of Thieves and Cobra Kai. Shout out Miguel Diaz forever. Kawhi Leonard? The number one. Give a message for Kawhi Leonard who didn't come to any of your playoff games but went to a Dodger game two weeks later? No, I have no more words for Kawhi Leonard.

Not one single word. Have you ever been this betrayed by anyone? My ninth grade girlfriend cheated on me and I'll never forget it yeah she cheated on me with a guy at the zoo he cheated on me with a guy at the zoo keeper no she went to the zoo with a guy she went there with a guy to cheat at the zoo which this sounds like this could be a youtube red series 20 25 years later i looked her up things have flipped i looked her up on facebook and her life was just in shambles.

And I was so happy. I was so excited about it. Wow. Now she knows. She broke my heart. So that was it. That's the only person. So it's her and then Kawhi Leonard.

Nobody. He cheated on me with somebody at the zoo. Nobody. Tate Frazier. Tate Frazier is number six on my list. Kevin O'Connor is number 23 on my list. Kevin O'Connor is another 23 on my list. Kevin O'Connor is another one. All right, Shay, thanks for coming on. I'm glad we did this. Thanks to my dad. Thanks to

the Boston Celtics for making me happy this week. Thanks to ZipRecruiter. Don't forget to check them out at ziprecruiter.com slash BS. Thanks to nephew Kyle. We are back on Friday with a little bit more. Don't forget to buy Shea's book, by the way, for Father's Day for somebody. Oh, yeah. What's that, a month away?

That's what I should have said. Yeah. Buy the book. Buy the book for Father's Day. What a Father's Day gift. Barack Obama liked it. Barack Obama. Barack Obama made it top.

And don't forget to listen to Shea on House of Carbs too because it's funny. We'll be back on Friday. Go Celtics. We'll see you next time.