The Bill Simmons Podcast - The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Cowboys sneaking by the Buccaneers on 'SNF,' Commanders-Eagles, another Sam Darnold–led Vikings comeback, and Bengals-Browns (01:04), before discussing the Raiders dropping several spots in the draft order after beating the Jaguars, the Dolphins ending the 49ers' playoff hopes, Panthers-Cardinals, Jets-Rams, Patriots-Bills (28:51), the Saturday NFL games, Usyk-Fury, a bunch of NFL observations through 16 weeks, and a tribute to Rickey Henderson (53:19). Finally, they guess the lines for NFL Week 17 (01:05:47), and close the show with Parent Corner (01:25:26). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Visit hellofresh.ca and use code Spotify for your exclusive offer. Coming up, the Cousin Eye breaking down week 16 in a football stretch of games that will seemingly never end and it's turning my brain to tapioca. It's all next. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, we are taping this 844. Sal, are you happy?

What are your emotions right now? It's worth the wait. So worth the wait. I got to tell you, Bill, I know I can't, I can't root against them. I hate it. I know it costs us a draft, you know, draft picks in certain order. And I know, I know I have Tampa Bay to win the NFC South. And yet when that defense plays with the intensity that it did,

it is very hard to root against the cowboy. You have to feel against the cowboy. You have to feel that way too. Come on. Come on. I mean, your team didn't win, but you know what I'm saying, right? I thought you were doing Collinsworth, but you're doing Sal. I thought you were going to be like, this is the greatest game I've ever seen.

I've never seen a football game like this, Mike. It was the greatest everything. It was the greatest secondary. It was the greatest interception. That run from Baker is the greatest everything. It was the greatest secondary, it was the greatest interception. That run from Baker is the greatest. The producers are in Chris's ear like, Chris, please stop saying how the Cowboys have nothing to play for. Like five minutes later,

Hey Dallas has nothing to play for, man. They had nothing to play for. I don't even know why they care. Why do they trust up? Get back on the buzz. I want to watch V-2-ita ve I wish he would moon me I'm gonna rename my son Vita vea you hear that Jack Collins worth their Vita vea Collins worth now Mike this is the hardest hitting game that doesn't matter at all and everybody should turn the channel that I've ever seen

That was quite an ending to quite a weekend and I gotta say and everybody should turn the channel that I've ever seen. That was quite an ending to quite a weekend. And I gotta say, I'm footballed out. Yeah. I just didn't wanna watch this game, especially once Dallas was eliminated, even though they're already eliminated, but I watched it because we had to watch for the pod.

But, you know, big picture. This football stretch we're in, we had Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, tomorrow, to Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, nine of 12 days football. And I'm already feeling like I'm at FOGA to chow, ready to tap out, ready to turn the card. You're turning the red? You're going red already? We get another game tomorrow. I'm like, I'm going red. I can't have any more meat. This is too much, especially in the college football. It's too much. It's a lot, man. It's a lot. Yeah, you're right. And it started, it had a Friday on, but you know, you and I love it.

We love the Moneyline favorites and the Moneyline favorites came in six in a row between the college and pro games Friday and Saturday. So that's a nice little nest egg we built, right? All the faves hit except for Philly, which we will talk about thanks to Jalen Hurts. But basically any sort of money line parlay with any reliable good to great team, five, six points and up hit. It was your kind of weekend. I was thinking about you,

because Usyk was fighting too. Our guy that we love betting on, he hasn't lost since the first Obama term. And just get to throw him in with different parlays. You get the Buffalo Moneyline and the Green Bay Moneyline, but Philly was the let down one. That was awesome. I know it was entertaining, right?

And it's nice to win Christmas week, but yeah, Philly. And by the way, with Hertz going out, the first thing we thought of was our friend Brad and Hench, who both on separate leagues had hurt starting into two leagues. Yeah. Our two craziest friends had hurts. The most volatile infantile fantasy routers and owners. And the hench is talking about the independent neurologist for 14 hours

straight on text. He was so upset. Hedge, Hedge is like diametrically opposed to Chris DeWitsky and concussion protocol. So get it back in there. And then our friend Brad, who has won our knockout league. I don't think since we've had the knockout rule, but he's been voted out three times.

Yeah. I haven't heard from them. I'm honestly, we may have to do like a, an unplanned wellness check. We've done a few of those, but not, not for fantasy. Yeah. So Hertz ends up with 4.5 points. He gets, uh, he, he crushes anybody who had him, not his fault, but, uh, not the big story from that game because Jaden Daniels not only locked down offensive

rookie of the year, I think five TDs, 82 rushing, another come from behind win, another like super exciting DC moment. And it feels like his mojo came back the last couple, he was definitely hurt there for I don't know how long. But now he's starting to look like him again, but that was such a great win. It felt like they had lost that game five different times. I didn't even know if it was a bad Eagles loss, you know

They can he pick it and I had the Eagles in a parlay and see yeah Kenny Pickett's in there halfway through the first quarter and you're going the fuck like I definitely never wanted to bet on Kenny Pickett again in my life, but he actually wrote me in I was like he okay. And then I'd offer an insurance. Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, uh, God bless, you know, commie fan and wringer pregame show cohost Joe house. But, and I picked this Washington team to make the playoffs and Jayden, thanks for the offensive rookie of the year loot, but I can't wait to bet against this team in the wild card round. I mean, the starting quarterback goes out to bet against his team in the wild card round. I mean, the starting quarterback goes out five turnovers for Washington and a drop pass, maybe the worst big drop pass of the year by Devonta Smith, which

would have run the clock out. There were two, cause there was that long one with Barkley too, was another backbreaker that he should have had. By the way, the Giants fans have always said he never catches those. He's got, he's got like butter fingers on big pass plays. And that was yet another one. But the Devontae Smith one, there was a lot of those today though

in the cold weather games. I think we forget how cold it is. Like the Bill's Pats game by the second half, everybody looked like they were in oven mitts. Yeah, it's not as cold when we're screaming at the TV in our toasty living rooms. Wearing a blanket. Yeah, but yeah, but Washington needed every, every bit of everything we just

named to, to win that game. I mean, they, are they the full shit team? I mean, they, you know, starting with the hell Mary, I know maybe a few, unlucky breaks with injuries, but. But what's their, so they're 10 and five, 10 and five right now. The hell Mary was stupid. They had one other really stupid win. And then this one, but I mean, this one they earned.

You know, like you have, what was it? First down and go from the nine under 20 seconds left. That should be like the most imp... It's like a nine yard two point conversion. Guys wide open. The Eagles just completely fucked it up. So in that case, I felt like that was almost a... It wasn't a bad Eagles loss until that last drive. But yeah, I was so in that case. I felt like that was almost

It wasn't a bad Eagles loss into that last drive because if your defense is that good Everybody's like this is the most well-rounded including me This is the most well-rounded team that that Detroit's done their defense is gone the Eagles they can get stops Not only did that get stops like that was like one of the worst touchdowns anyone's given up this year It was really bad guys wide open in the middle of the end zone. You have to think it'll be back hurts. Right. And so if that's the two seven matchup, now it's now it spells doom. I think for Washington, I don't think there's any way Philly loses.

Those games are always weird with them though. Yeah. How many weird Philly Washington games can we have? It's true. And then there's always like fans from either side at both of the games. Philly's defense needs to be a we have? That's true. And then there's always fans from either side at both of the games. Philly's defense needs to be a little better. That's for damn sure.

But like a lot of these top teams you could say that for. Well the weird part was I just, I didn't understand that the 12 man on the field, guys running off, all of a sudden they're just giving up like a 70 yard touchdown to give them the lead. There's a lot of stuff I didn't like with them. But you look at the playoff picture, like they're locked into the two seed.

Right? So they have Dallas and the Giants left. Dallas, your team is like a surprisingly hard out now. I don't think that's a cross off by any means, especially if they decide to sit hurts for a week. So if it's you against Penny Pickett next week, yeah, you might be eight, eight. So they're locked into the two seed and then, um, the, the, the one seed is just bizarre where Detroit feels like they, they've lost like one time in three

months and yet somehow Minnesota is controlling everything. If they just win their last two games, they're going to be the one seed. Yeah. Now they're, yeah, right. Now they're going to be the one seed. Yeah. Now that, yeah, right. Now the Philly loss. Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about that. Yeah.

I mean, listen, I have to, I think I have to go to Vikings intervention. You have to throw an intervention for me because every Sunday I come on here and I praise Sam Darnold and he has 32 touchdown passes now. And then Friday I'm like, Oh, who are they playing? They're not going to show up this week. I'm going to take Seattle. And I get, I get it get it right in the keister. I mean, it's ridiculous what Minnesota

and Donald are doing. And I'm probably take the Packers next week. I can't believe you just used the word keister. Yeah. Is that not allowed? No, no, it's just mid-70s people and up. It's like Aunt Chippy and your dad might've gotten that one and that's it.

I just came from saying them, I think that's a problem. I bet on Minnesota this week. Oh, you did? And mainly because we have all these Seattle bets. But I'm also, I'm the same way. I said uncle with them a while ago. They're legit, I don't know how many times they have to do it.

And I thought what was interesting about that game. So rooting for Minnesota to score, Seattle takes the lead. Minnesota is down four. They actually have to go down and score a touchdown. There's like five minutes left. And I'm sitting there on the couch where I haven't moved for like, I don't know how many hours. And I'm like, I think Donald's gonna get this. Like I swear that was my feeling in the car. I was like, he's gonna get it. I really think he's gonna go down the field and score. I thought you were gonna do the orgasm face again.

I was worried there, all right. No, that was great. Sitting on the couch, now. You know what's funny about those is when I'm doing that as a joke to make you laugh and then it gets cut out as blog posts. It's like, look at this weirdo, dude. I'm literally doing a joke to make you laugh and then it gets cut out as blog posts. It's like, look at this weirdo, dude. I'm like, I'm literally doing a joke.

You can't cut that out. Try to make fun of me when I'm doing a joke. Anyway, they don't, they caught you off guard. Yeah. It's like, Oh my God, what's he doing? It's like, I'm doing a joke. But anyway, Minnesota down four and Darnell, he's done it. I don't know how many times this year, but there's seven, eight quarterbacks in the league that I feel like can get that done.

It wasn't an easy scenario, but he's got these two great receivers that always seem to be open in the right times. But that throw breaks through, he's got pressure, cuts through, throws almost like a semi-sidearm. He's got to beat the safety. It was just a great play. And then Gino became Gino at the end of the game, which he always was. They got a little lucky because they got the face mask. Was it a face mask called on Darnold? It's one of those things where there's three guys about to sack him and one of the idiots like puts his hand on the face mask. Yeah, and then like, you got to call that.

There's nothing about it. But it was a great throw and he marched. He is so, so cool on the pressure and marches him right down the field. And Jefferson has five touchdowns in the last three games. Like, I don't want to say he was missing. It was MIA the first time. They were double teaming them. Yeah.

They were taking them out. They were like, go throw to Addison and go throw to Hawkinson. They're only going to get better. I think. And so why am I going to bet against them again? God damn. I think you could, if we're just going, who do you trust the most right now? I think there's a real case for them Yeah, because it always feels like they can score when they need a touchdown

Their defense can can create enough havoc that they can get some stops They always seem to grab a turnover when they really need one and gank old is always in yeah And I they're exceptionally coached We make fun of coaches a lot. Like my Patriots today, who had two really good drives in a row to start the game, but then as the game went along, the wheels start to come off. We had a backward lateral on like our own eight yard line that ended up getting recovered for defensive touchdown.

Like, what are we doing? Why are we having Drake May whip a screen pass to Stevenson who's already fumbled, who isn't exactly Mr. Hands in nine degree weather inside our own 10 yard line? Like, what are we doing? Why are we punting from midfield when we're down 10? You watch that stuff.

And then you watch Minnesota. You went on fourth and two though. You had the nice fake there. That was fun. Well, yeah, the fake punt. But then you watch Minnesota and it's like, I just, I agree with everything they're doing. This team has it. They're really well coached.

Flores is great on defense. O'Connell knows the fuck he's doing. Really good team. I'm in on the Vikings. I think they're legit. I think they are too. And I think they play defense. And if you talk about like the four or five top teams, like, you know, obviously the Lions didn't kill them today,

but their front seven is injured. You know, they have 22 guys on IR or out. Most of those are defensive players. We saw the Bills defense. I don't know how much more you need to see out of that. Who else? Philadelphia was bad today. Like really just like the Chiefs and Vikings are the only two teams defensively right now

with a few weeks left that I'm comfortable with. Yeah, the Pats had 28 first downs on the Bills defense today. Yeah, wow. We have no receivers. Like we have an offensive coordinator that will do 10 dumb things a game. That was a winnable game.

And we had 28 first downs. It was. But we had like six winnable games. May wasn't that good in the second half. I'll admit it. Yeah. He was, I mean, you half. I'll admit it. Yeah. He was, I mean, you know. But what is this cold?

Listen, you give him 15 chances to score from inside the five. He's going to hurt you. That's what he did at the end. Don't do that, because he will show you up. Come on. Why are you making fun of me? My teammate, I have the second pick in the draft right now. I know.

Thanks to Antonio Pierce. That is nice. Antonio Pierce, like fist pumping second pick in the draft right now. I know. Antonio appears. That is nice. Antonio appears like fist pumping in the side. But it's like, we did it. We dropped from two to six. We got this. Um, wait, going back to that, let's talk Washington, uh, Philly, Minnesota, that whole vortex. So the Hertz concussion, I think is in the running for one of the biggest football moments of the year, because it didn't just feel like it swung the seeds. It also happened during semifinals and fantasy.

I was trying to think of like what injury that, you know, he'll be fine in a week or so, but what like relatively minor, but sucky injury would have had more impact on more people. Hertz is like a top five fantasy quarterback. Like I guarantee he was on all the same. So it was just like a crazy moment. And then watching Pickett go in there and you're thinking like for Washington,

like this is really good for them. Like they, if they're any good, they should probably steal this game. And then they couldn't do it for two hours. But so that happened. And then the Minnesota thing and Seattle is out now, it seems like. Right. I mean, they're not officially out, but.

Well, they play the Rams, right? I know, but they're a game back. They got to, they basically need the Rams to lose next week. They need to win next week and then they need to beat the Rams. And those Rams will, I mean, there's a couple of games they've won scoring one or no, or two touch that, right? It's just, they just get it done. So weird with them.

You know what's weird about them? They're like a January team. They're like the opposite of what their profile is. You know? Like you think of them, you think they're like this dome team, they're gonna be in these 37, they're in these ugly like 19 to 16, 20 to 17. Like that, that's kind of makes more sense when you're watching them.

The jets didn't punt. I don't think they punted today or they punted, they punted once, but just like ugly turnovers going for it on fourth down, not getting it. Um, I don't know. I, I, they're like one of those boxers that you can't like figure out what their style is. They, like they run the ball really well. Some weeks, other weeks they don't. Some weeks Stafford looks like he's 40 other weeks he looks like he's 25. I don't have a handle on them at all.

Do you? I don't either. I don't know. Yeah. I want to say, I want to bet against them in the playoffs, but if Stafford, I think Stafford's going to struggle in cold weather a little bit. I think we saw that and the numbers support that. And, you know, if Aaron Rogers just didn't hand them the ball at the end,

that might've been a, might've been a game. He was awful. Oh, really good. Really good stuff. But, but yeah, they have what, what like what they score against San Francisco 12 and then barely 19 today and 10, 10 days. They, I think they have two, three touchdowns now. And it's a lot of like, it's a little chiefs ish where they're, if it's, if it

feels like, if it's close in the fourth quarter, you feel like they're going to pull it out and I'll show him a day and he's like high fiving people and doing that whole thing, the other big scenario that happened today and you could feel coming Thursday after that game flipped with the chargers and the Broncos. It's like all of a sudden Cincinnati is doing the sleeper hold. And since then it's like one, two, and it's like, oh, oh, the finger. Oh my God, what's going on? They've won three straight.

They're missing their left tackle and their right tackle. And their defense is off although it was pretty good today. And yet somehow they're still alive. And if they have their, uh, playing Denver at home next week and then at Pittsburgh, which might not mean anything. Pittsburgh could be in that scenario where they're, oh, we're the sixth seed. We don't care if we're the seventh seed, you know, doesn't seem like teams really mind. Pittsburgh could be the five seed.

Yeah. They could be five or six and not even care. And then, um, they need Miami and Indiana to Indianapolis to lose. Can I just say something? By the way is, is not, not a Miami's playing Cleveland and the Jets, Indianapolis is playing the giants and Jaguars. So those things might run out. Right, right, right. I had my biggest bet of the year when we come clean. Penn State,

Cincinnati teaser. And I was so mad at the Bengals. I was like, how the frick are you not putting this game away? You know, like this is, you make everyone sweat it out. They hit 17 points for two hours. Jesus. And you got Dorian Thompson Robinson, Pete, whatever his name is running up and down the field, like you can, I know it was 24 six, but can't they, this is, this is the defense. You know, your defense has been awful all year long. Can you just keep it in check against Cleveland?

Not, not scare us so much. Now, nobody would believe it from the box score. Um, I actually really enjoyed the bad football. I had bets would believe it from the box score. I actually really enjoyed the bad football. I had bets on every game except the Rams jets. I was like, I'm not going near that. I don't like what we talked about with the Rams, but that Cleveland game was close. Their kicker missed a couple kicks. Dorian Thompson Robinson was terrible at exactly the wrong times, but for the most part seemed pretty competent. Their defense was doing a good job, I thought,

against the Bengals. And it felt like they were hanging around, hanging around, and all of a sudden it was gonna be 17-13, and they were gonna have the ball with five minutes left. I was freaking out too. I didn't understand why the Bengals couldn't close it. It's a sexy bet. I know our buddy Raheem went with it,

plus 680 to make the playoffs. I haven't checked it, of course. It's lower now. That's what it was this morning playoffs. I haven't checked it. Of course. It's it's lower now That's what it was this morning, but I don't even know if they run the table even with that slate that you said home against Denver The defense is bad. Yeah. Yeah, everyone's doing that. You don't want to see them It's like I think I'd feel good about seeing them actually they can't stop any anybody. Yeah, they're very consistent So you have them you have Denver who really looks like smoke and mirrors personified. Miami who actually got a good game from two today.

We'll talk about that later. And then Indianapolis who ran for 335 yards today against a terrible Tennessee team. But if you catch them in the right 20 minutes, they look pretty good. And I don't know, one of those teams is going to be the seventh seed. And who would you be the most know, one of those teams is gonna be the seventh seed. Who would you be the most afraid of out of those four? Let's say who's the two, would we say? Buffalo?

Going to Buffalo? I think two's gonna be Buffalo. Yeah. So you're hoping for Miami. I'm gonna contradict myself, but maybe Cincinnati. Yeah, Miami wouldn't scare me if I'm Buffalo going there. Colts wouldn't. It wouldn't scare you. No, no, they can't, I don't know.

Are they gonna have a balmy day in January? I don't see it. If I'm Buffalo, I'd want it, but they're gonna kill everybody. What do you think? Who would you be most afraid of? Well, Miami I'd be fired up about because cold weather, they have no chance.

Indianapolis, Richardson in a playoff road game, no chance. Denver, Bonix, I don't see it. Sorry, I know you love Bonix. No, that's fine. That team has like a good hour in them and they kind of need the lead and then they kind of hold on. Their offense, Bonix, I do like them. Pretty much the same as last year if you look at the numbers. It's a defense that's allowed seven fewer points a game.

Yeah, Benito turned into one of the best guys in the AFC. I would be the most scared of Cincinnati. I know it sounds like I'm contradicting what I said before, but I think the team that beats Buffalo in the playoffs is just going to be the classic. We outscored them. We won 42 to 40. We went 38 to 35.

Like you're not stopping Buffalo anyway. So weirdly the Bengals not having a defense. I don't know if that matters because whenever Buffalo wants to move the ball downfield, they do. What's interesting about them. Cooper again, didn't do anything today. He won't catch for 10 yards. Yeah.

And that was their big trade deadline move. It makes me wonder, like, should anyone trade for a receiver during the season? Like the Adams is doing well for the jets because Rogers is throwing to him 28 times a game, trying to get him going. But meanwhile, they scored nine points. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going to be with that. You're right with Buffalo, but I think with Cincinnati, even if they do out slug Buffalo,

there'll be a time to just bet against them. Right. This team doesn't win two, three games in the playoffs. It is not built like that at all. No, but they could win one. And I think if you look back at the season they just had, so what's their record? Are they, are they 500 yet? They are, oh, there's seven and eight. Yeah. But they had how many dumb losses? They are, oh, there's seven and eight. Yeah. But they had how many dumb losses? Casey, 26 to 25, Washington, 38 to 31.

That was stupid. Baltimore, 41, 38. That was dumb. They lost that other Baltimore game, 35, 34. They lost that stupid Chargers game, 34, 27. And then they lost that Steelers game when they put up 38 points. Like they've kind of been around some of these losses. But I do think, I think they could play like a 38 to 35

type game and maybe Burrow is just awesome. So that's who I wouldn't want to play if I was Buffalo. But I- Yeah, I mean they have superstars, Chase Brown, Higgins and Jamar Chase. But yeah, it is interesting. They're almost exactly the opposite of the chiefs who have somehow made a deal with all the players and the organization that we're not going to break 31 points

this year, three Pete, but never scored 31. And here's Cincinnati scoring 31, like, you know, three at every four games and can get with like, you know, less than 500. Yeah. Even, even, uh, in the Casey game this week was like, God forbid they took a 10 point lead, right? The other team always has to be within one possession with 10 minutes left for some reason.

I will say though, with Casey, and it's a little like Usyk watching him just kind of figure out how to win the last few rounds, you just feel like when you're in your fourth quarter, the chiefs, you just feel like they're going to figure it out somehow. Yeah. And it doesn't really make sense as you're watching it. They don't seem really better than any team they're playing. You know, you're not like, Whoa, look at those guys. It just always feels like they're just going to make two plays and steal it.

But if I was the rest of the league, I'd be dying to play them. I don't know. I don't know anymore. I just feel like we can beat these guys. Watch this tape. We can take these guys. I just think it's all bullshit. I really do.

They're good. They know, like you said, they know how to be there at the end, and yet they don't have a go-to guy other than Mahomes offensively, right? It's like, oh, Noah Gray? Oh, all right, he's their guy. Oh, Kelsey can only catch a three yard pass

and spin for five, you know? But I don't know. And also, can we stop with the high ankle sprain garbage? Like, don't call it that anymore. That's not what it is. If he's not wearing a boot on Wednesday, call it tooth decay. That's closer to what he has than a high ankle sprain.

If he's running around, he's a full participant in practice on Tuesday. Give me a break. It was like an ankle tweak that they tried to sell. Like it was this, uh, terrible. Yeah. When you run off your curb to get the mail or something, that's what it is. So Denver has Cincinnati and Casey left. Chargers have the pats in Las Vegas.

So that's they're winning with that. Miami, Cleveland and the jets. Colts giants who are awful. They are the worst team in the league. They just suck. They're so bad. I, I was having fun in the first quarter of that game thinking, Oh, they took the lead seven, nothing. It's like, okay, they took the lead seven nothing. It's like, okay, just don't make any mistakes. Drew lock is not going to throw some pick sixes.

I'm not even going to throw one pick six. I'm going to throw it. He got it. I'm going to throw in a judon. Yeah, right. Right. He got it. He knew what he was doing.

So they play the giants and the, and the Jaguars, the Jaguars are pretty terrible too. So I don't, I don't think Cincy's gonna make it. Between Miami and Indianapolis, I think one of those teams are gonna win. Yeah, it's only two more games now for each of them, so it's doable. Special season for the Cleveland quarterbacks. I added up the touchdowns and interceptions.

What do you think? Who was the best? Was Jameis the best? Was Jamus the best? Probably the, probably the most productive bookways. What do you think for TDs and interceptions for the season? TDs. All the guys combined. A 1121. Oh, that was pretty negative. Uh, 18 touchdowns somehow. 20, 20 picks. 18 touchdowns. If that, well, James had like 13 in six weeks.

Yeah, that's true. He went crazy in that, uh, that one Monday night game too. Yeah. What would you guess for Thompson Robinson's career touchdowns and picks? I know he's amongst the lowest ever for QBRs. So, um, six, 14, I don't know. Nine picks, one touchdown. Is that what it is?

Yeah. We probably should talk about that on the ringer Sunday pregame. It's like, Hey, one of these two teams has a guy who has one touchdown and seven picks. Now he's got one for nine. on the Ringer Sunday pregame. It's like, hey, one of these two teams has a guy who has one touchdown and seven picks. Now he's got one for nine. All right, switching gears. This NFL Monday Night Football fan duel wants you to win even bigger.

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Oh good. Yeah. First up the Raiders murder their top two pick. The Raiders are locked into it's a two quarterback draft. I didn't, how do you feel about Ken Ward? What's your take? I like them better than Chador Sanders. I still don't, you know, my problem is I've bet all these guys and lost a lot of money

on them. Yeah. And I've cursed Shador Sanders for hanging around the pocket too long and taking bad sacks, but I like his mechanics. I just feel like Cam Ward is more NFL ready right now. Like I said last week, I'm not sure any team, because you get the Dion BS with it, right? I mean, you can't shed that if you take Shador. So I don't know why.

So you're thinking Raiders. I mean, who would be more fun? Well, the Raiders right now it's Giants one. They're taking a quarterback. Raiders were the second pick. They desperately need a quarterback, even though I guess, I wouldn't say O'Connell was good, but he at least was, you know, it's like when my dad drives

To my stepmom's house in Albany. It's like he got there and you're proud of it. Yeah, it's like a compliment Raiders go from two to six because they lose today Pat's move into two So all my pats text threads if we just hold on Chargers next week Buffalo week 18 That two spot. Just hold on. Just hold on Chargers next week, Buffalo week 18, that two spot, just hold on at three and 14 and then we're in the, we're in the trade spot. Right. So what do you want? I mean, what do you even want?

I mean, I don't know. Like let's say the Raiders are six and they want to move up for Shidora Sanders at number two. It's at least numbers, the six pick next year's first, some other stuff. Uh, Tennessee is going to need a quarterback and the giant. So three teams in the top seven need a quarterback. There's only two.

And what I didn't want was the, for the paths to be third. So, um, so right now it's giants, paths, Jaguars, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, Carolina, and the irony of this is Mac Jones helped us twice after a completely Pat's Jaguars, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, Carolina. And the irony of this is Mac Jones helped us twice. After completely murdering us last year, he wins a game to push them to three wins and push them behind us and then loses today the Raiders, pushes them ahead of us.

So he pushes two teams ahead. Is it irony or is he still on the payroll? Maybe he is. Maybe it's one of those things we didn't change the books. It's like too much irony. Yeah, so the Raiders were in their pick. You're gonna get, so what do you get? You want a big lineman to protect this guy, right?

We need a lineman. That's what you have to do. Scouting left tackle footage, which is about as boring as it gets. It's not gonna be sexy. You're not gonna, you don't want the wide receiver. You already said that, right? No, it's like, hey, let's take a long look at Kelvin Banks, Jr.

And Texas. Anyway, I don't know. We'll see what that picks for it. Cause once we get closer to the draft, people start getting excited about the quarterbacks and then you start forgetting the bad stuff and I don't know what. How it's going to play out. All right. That's one murder.

Miami murders the Niner season officially. Now you can say it was on life support. They were awful. And I really don't know where I stand on the Brock Purdy contract extension now because I haven't like, he had another a couple of terrible plays today. And I don't know. Once you start removing those weapons, Debo's not quite Debo anymore. There's no Iyuk anymore. There's no McCaffrey. And he just looks like another guy that I'm watching who's good at scrambling

and occasionally throws the ball for grabs. Yeah. There's just no way to tell with them. You know, I mean, I guess we're getting a look now. Like, right. Like he was the guy that everybody, everyone needed to be there. Like you said, the conditions have to be ideal. Shanahan schemes have to be working.

But you and I were both in on him. Like we were like, this guy's impressive. You got to hand it to him. We flip flopped a thousand times on Murty, I would say. But I do, I still think he's worth it, man. I watched these 10 AM games on the West coast. I see eight or nine bad quarterbacks. So what are we talking 50, 55 million?

I feel like, I don't know. I think you're going to get, we know we could win 10 or 11. You don't think so? You think all these guys are going out? I wouldn't do it. I don't want to pay $50 million a year for somebody that's not a year in the two a situation. Again, two was good today, but I don't, do you want to pay two or 50 million a year? No, but I think that's, he might be worth it when you look at these other guys. You got to start from scratch. I don't know how you build a, how a 50 million a year? Do you want to? I think that's, he might be worth it when you look at these other guys. You got to start from scratch. How do you build a great team around him? Cause you need a better line.

Like Trent Williams has been out and all of a sudden they can't block anymore. Yeah. That's an issue. To me, the question would be, is there a Darnold every year now? And there won't be a Darnold this year because I think if Minnesota doesn't bring him back now, this is lunacy, but maybe that's the move is you trade for JJ McCarthy. You know, the niners have like the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe they're just like, let's take that guy off your hands.

But what that, I mean, that's a monster. That's a first round pick. So you're going to trade. Yeah. I don't know. McCarthy went eighth last year and got hurt. Right. I don't know.

I mean, when you say there's an, is there another Sam Darl? This is kind of like a unicorn situation. This is what is. It's not though. We had Baker Mayfield the year before. Like. There's not too many guys who need seven years to prove themselves. Is there?

Could be Zach Wilson next year. I guess. It could be Cooper Rush. Ooh, interesting. We're not letting him go. Could you take him first for Cooper Rush or no? I think we got to get two firsts and someone has to fix the roof. Yeah.

I mean, you're probably right. Hit history of the NFL says Donald's a complete anomaly. You can't count on getting lucky like that again. And other teams have tried, but like Gino Smith on Seattle, they were able to patch that together. Yeah. I think it happens a little more than people realize, but what I know doesn't work is paying somebody

50 million who might not be worth it. I'd be really nervous about that. Yeah, 49ers, the window might have closed with this core group for sure. But that's still that offense does home one McCaffrey's there and Iukes there and everybody else. So they have to keep, man, it really is the Trent Williams thing though, isn't it? That's the big piece. And Iukes. It's there and everybody else. So they have to keep, man, it really is the Trent Williams thing though, isn't it?

That's the big piece. It's so different without him. Yep. When we did our futures draft before the year and you tapped out, I won the FOGA to Chad. I can't wait for next year now that we know it's like whoever taps out first loses. What do you mean?

I did? You tapped out. Yeah, because I had enough winners. Because your futures back and forth, you ran out. I got it, but I won. You ran out of futures. I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I did five. No, I'm definitely winning. I hit more than that. Yeah. I had some great ones. I had some plus 300s. I had some big ones. We got to look at those. I want to see those. No, I think I'm going to win.

But one of the ones I took at the tail end after you tapped out was Niners under nine and a half wins. And it was plus two 60. So that I wish next year I just want to print all these out. What do you think Niners under seven and a half wins would have been like plus 700? Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, I think we have to remember that for next year. There's always going to be one or two teams that are like five wins worse than

whatever the over under is and with some crazy seven to one value, try to guess in each conference what team it's going to be. What was McCaffrey's prognosis when we had done that? Like he might miss one game. Well, no, we were dubious. We thought he might be out for like the first month. Well, we thought that, but the day, the day, I mean, we know better than everybody, but no, but what were they saying?

They said really maybe a month or they weren't saying anything. It was dodgy. It was dodgy enough that it affected our fantasy draft. Right. That's true. Yeah. I want to look at those numbers. I picked offensive rookie of the year winner.

I picked possibly the defense. One of your best ones was you had Pat's worst record. Detroit best record was like 36 to one. You're not going to hit it. But I had, I hit a bunch of like Pat's unders, NFC south. I had, I did pretty well. We got a, it's going to be a good battle. We'll see. There's a lot of ones left, but we did well in the over-under too. That Miami Niners game. I don't know what happened to Tyreek. I don't know whether he got paid or he's,

but it feels like he's not as, it feels like John Smith's the most valuable offensive weapon they have now. But they really ran the ball today, and it was the first time they ran the ball in a while. Now, granted, they're playing this Niners team that felt like it was whatever, but it did make me think, like,

this is kind of the Miami team we thought they were going to be before the season, this, like, speedy team that could also, like, really pound you with this crazy run game. And it feels like they're figuring out a little bit. I thought they played really well in that game. Well, how surprised were you to hear that Tua threw his 100th touchdown pass of his career?

That makes sense. That's like 25 a year. I don't know why it really threw me for a loop. I was like, this guy has a hundred. That's exactly what I thought. He's had 25 for a year. Yeah. But they're sitting all that time. We've been really harsh on him. I thought he was good today and Tyreek dropped two touchdowns. They said, they said someone got a hand on it, but yeah, I agree. He was good.

He pulls those in. You know who's good? Me for taking the over in that game. 14 and two with my wisest wagers. Just, just let me get this out. Just everybody set your alarm. If you're on the West coast, watch the ring of pregame show on your Let's talk about that. 14 and two with my wisest wagers. Just let me get this out. Everybody set your alarm if you're on the West Coast. Watch the Ring of Pre Game show on YouTube TV.

On the West Coast it's 8.04 in the morning. You catch my bet, you plug it into Fandl, and you go to sleep until one or four. You'll wake up a winner. I'm 14 and two. You're on a heater because the one today was super lucky. It really was. You were gonna lose. You were was. You were going to lose.

You were under. H.A.N. is up five days with like less than two minutes left running for a first down. Most guys in the league fall down on the five yard line and he's like, fuck it. America needs fantasy points to be over. And he just runs right in for the touchdown. Big ass smile on his face You must be going nuts. I was like, this is this is insane. Yeah, I don't think I'm ever gonna lose again The long for Eastern I mailed you guys my 13 pointer today

You had that on the bills Packers Moneyline The Bears plus 20 which I somehow won and then the other one was you're over Right like over I teased it down to 31. They almost had that in the third quarter. You needed it to the fourth, yep, that was good. One other funny thing about that game, I think Shanahan is my number one coach where it's like they're down between four and seven points

and I feel like they have no chance. Remember that? I actually looked it up, because I was like, I vaguely remember there was some weird Shane Han comeback thing. He was like 0 for 37 before the playoff game in January. Against Green Bay was the first time they came back. But it was yet another one where it's like,

eh, Shane Han, they're probably not coming back. All right, next murder. Carolina murdered Arizona's season. Yeah, they did. And Bryce, who we left for dead last week, outplayed Kyla Murray, who yet again, as a recurring theme with him, both this season and for his career,

just cannot stop having three absolutely horrible, abysmal, excruciating plays per game. He can't not do it. And he's been in the league, what, six years? I'm out. I was out already, but I'm like all the way out. Doors closed, locked, done. It does seem like he's one of the quarterbacks who really should lobby for a

three quarter football game, right? Like you're not going to see fourth quarters too long for him to not make one or two crucial mistakes. Or maybe mulligans. Yeah. He's like the guy in golf is like hanging on that. I just, I just almost killed the force them to the left on the other hole. Yeah.

All right. Take another shot. And he says three mulligan passes that you don't get mulligans of football. Right. And we used to imagine like when we were growing up, if someone kicked, no, no one kicked a 58 yard field goal, but if someone kicked a 58 yard field goal, you're going to win that game, right? If it was that important and he couldn't even do it, it was like a punt

return for a touchdown. Couldn't even do it. Couldn't win them this game in overtime. Very strange. So the guy who kicked the field goal, Chad Ryland, was on the Patriots last year and single-handedly lost those three games with terrible kicks and is the reason we have Drake May. There's a couple of people I follow on Twitter that are Pats people that they call him the

Tank Master, the commander and tank chief, because it was like he just brought us home and he went to Arizona and now he's just banging home 58 yarders like in bad condition. Like it doesn't matter. He makes everything. Yeah. So he hits that. And by the way, they got really screwed on a call on that end of that game where he was

Kyler scrambled out of bounds and they, they did that weird. This is another NFL call that they just have stopped being consistent on ever is the guy. If he did he fall forward or not? He all of a sudden the ref's like, no, no, no, keep it going. Even though he seemed like he, you know, was in control of his own out of bounds. That's the, I haven't figured that out yet. Um, and then the Panthers went in OT and the Panthers now four wins. This was my lock of the NFC five and a half wins under Panthers.

Oh, you're good. I feel like I'm going to get it. Yeah. Wait, how's it, how's it end up for them? I mean, we, my boys, they're just playing all the, they're playing the other teams in the, in the conference or in the division. Oh, they're at Tampa. I mean, Tampa talk about a murder. There's going division. Oh, they're at Tampa. I mean, Tampa, talk about a murder.

There's going to be murders if they don't win that game. Yeah, they played Tampa. They're on the road, Tampa and Atlanta. They're not going to win close to those. Yeah, they got to start thinking about top five picks now. Am I good with the NFC South? 25 wins. What? How many is it now? They're all playing each other.

It's going to be closer to 30. I'm a little worried. That was my all time lock. Oh, there's 25 so far. Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. Oh man. What are you going to have to hedge?

You're going to have to hedge some dumb week 18 game. No. Yeah. Tampa's eight, 16, 20. They have 25. And they're, they're like three where they're playing each other, where somebody wins. So that's like 27. I think I'm going to get it, but I can't believe I'm sweating it out.

And then we're going to win our NFC East one. Well, hold on. Yeah. So it's Buck Saints and Carolina, Atlanta. So you'll know before week 18. That's week 18. I'm okay. I'm going to be fine.

You'll be good. You'll be good. I, I furious that I'm sweating it out. Uh, next one, the Rams somehow re murdered the jet season. It felt like this was like positive vibes with the jets. Enigma came out. They won last week. It's like, Oh, Rogers, if you look at his stats, vibes with the jets. Enigma came out. They won last week. It's like, oh, Rogers, if you look at his stats,

this is the best season a Jets QB has had in like 12 years. All that stuff. Nope. They sucked. And he sucked. He was terrible. He was bad, right? Awful.

And you're right. The highlight will show the Devon Adams touchdown, right? Yeah. But everything else poor decisions in the pocket can't get free. Slow. Just slow as shit. I mean, they, they, who was, what are they talking about bringing him back or another team signing him?

I just don't get it. I don't care. Please. It has nothing to do with him personally. What would possibly catch your eye that you would sign this guy again? I can't think of a single thing. I will tell you another person who's not going to be back. Ulbrich.

He's the 2024 Brandon Staley award winner. I don't think anyone has a worst sense of when to go for it, when to go for it. I'm for it down. When the pun, he just fucks it up every time. It's like, whatever's, whatever's going to work. He's like, I'll just do the opposite. Let me try that. This guy will never be a head coach again. He's got brick in his name. The brick layer.

I, we got to, we got to come up with something for him, but we have two weeks to do it. Hey, how about, uh, you'll never be a head coach again. Can we call him that? Is that a good nickname? Yeah, it's a little long. I don't know. A little long. On a license.

I just feel like we should have appreciated pit boss rich a little more when we had him. Yeah. And the whole concept of an interim coach with like real character coming in and just being like a substitute teacher. I don't know. Uh, there's a Garrett Wilson subplot with the Jets that you can really feel when you're watching them. I just don't think he's going to be on that team next year.

And I would love to get him on the Patriots. I'd take them right now. Oh yeah. I think he's really good. And I think Rogers is just favoring Adams and, or Lazard or whatever guy he has some history with over like Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson is going to go to another team and be awesome. He's got to be great in the right, right offense in the right scheme.

Yeah. I don't know if it's the Patriots, but it's definitely not the Jets. Come to the Patriots. Oh, man, bro. We were told you have to take Garrett Wilson's no later than seventh in the first round and Breeze Hall fourth. Forget it. Garrett Wilson murdered two of my fantasy teams.

Here's another murder. Gerard Mayo murdered Analytics. I don't know if you caught this. So when the Pats punted from the New England 45 on fourth and six eight 33 remaining in the fourth down 10 punting to Josh Allen the MVP of the league a Surrender index according to the surrender Twitter surrender and index of nine point zero eight It ranked in the 95th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season and the 91st percentile of all punts since 1999.

Another chapter for Gerard Mayo's new book, Scared Football. I love the fact that cowardly punts has to go on someone's resume. Like if that guy goes for another job, like, all right, let's see, you're going to your teammates, the team seems to like you. Yeah, you did this. All right. Yeah. Oh, cowardly puns.

Two cowardly puns in 2024. Can we get that down? Can someone write a letter on your behalf explaining the cowardly puns? The announcers were praising the Pats today because they rolled Drake May out a couple times. They played with pace. They did a fake punt.

They were like, the Patriots aggressive. I'm like we're three and 11 like of course What are we what are we protecting? We suck. Yeah, I was sending you live odds for them They were plus 142 when they're up by 10. What was it for never never ever never ever did I think we were winning that game? Hmm, cuz if I had been panicking about the draft pick, there would have been a moment in that game where I was like, holy shit, we're gonna blow this and actually win. But it was the perfect game. Drake may know, he knows the program. Do just enough,

get everyone excited. He's gonna have a couple dumb 21 year old plays. He has every game because he's 21 years old. But I love him. Let me ask you something. I'm being honest. I'm not being a jerk. I do. No, but what is the difference between him and Mack Jones? The first 12 weeks of Mack Jones.

Oh my God. After 10 weeks, he was saying they should redraft. Mack Jones would be one or two. Stop. Well, you did. Mack Jones was always like a game manager. This guy. Oh my God.

So, Debundo sent me something. NFL offensive success rate leader since week 10. Lions, Packers, Ravens, Bengals, Bills, Rams, Patriots. Yeah. Drake Bay is good. We have nobody. We have no receivers. We can't block.

We have a running back that has seven fumbles this year You never say that has been a seven fumble player since 2020. Yeah I'm sorry, but you love Mac Jones. I'm just saying be careful. You love you did love Mac Jones took it. I'll go further Yeah, my favorite Boston rookie of the 21st century What? Yeah. Yes, really? Yeah. I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm happy to be haunted with this clip forever. Drake May is a sure thing. All the Pat's friends are nodding now. We've been watching him. He's fucking incredible. Team sucks. Wait a minute. Wasn't Mookie Betz a rookie for you? Yeah, I love Mookie Betz. I have him above Mookie Betz. And I love Mookie Betts. Oh man. It's so hard to get a quarterback.

It's like the fucking single hardest thing to do. I know. You could go decades without one. I really thought after Brady we'd have no chance to ever have one again. And now we have this fucking guy fell out of the sky. It's amazing. And the funniest thing is he might not even be the best quarterback in his class because Daniels is also amazing. But like if you gave Caleb versus Drake made it's like no contest. I can't believe you.

This is a little much. This is just a tiny bit much. I don't feel like it is based on the Mac Jones. I feel like it is. You did love you never. You didn't call him a game manager for after 10 weeks. You loved him. You thought he was number one or two in the league rookie.

If Harrison started to be like a lifeguard at the beach Oh, this is personal now. Yeah My Harrison or James. Yeah, and he just swim out and save somebody's life Still unlike him He'd be like, wow, that was nice. He did it every week. You'd be like that. This kid's a hell of a lifeguard Week after week is just like saving lives. He's, I can't believe the shit he's doing. Oh my God. Like the first drive today, he did five, six things that were like, I can't believe he didn't get sacked.

I can't believe he got out of that. I can't believe he threaded the needle to booty. He was covered by two guys. How did he get on the ball? Like he's like incredible. But you could believe that he didn't win, right? Because he's done by two guys. How did he get on the ball? Like he's like incredible But you know, he's not gonna second after you could believe that he didn't win right because he's done that 12 times Well, not that bad you could believe no, I'm super excited about Drake man. You're not gonna pour water on it All right

And I'd be excited for Harrison if he was a great lifeguard and just saving lives every week I think both of those are overrun over exaggerating three and 12. Have you been watching him? I have he's like shockingly good. What the fuck? What really? Yeah Those are overrun over exaggerating three and 12. Have you been watching him? I have. He's like shockingly good. What the, what really? Yeah. I don't know. All right. I got to look.

Give somebody who's super talented, the worst coaching, the worst play calling, the worst blocking and the worst receivers. And then they're still going to get 28 first downs on the road against Buffalo. I'm just saying be careful because we've, I'm fine. We saw Mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence never did this as a rookie. He was never this competent ever in his life.

I can't believe you have to, here's what's going to happen. This really, yeah. Here's what's going to happen. Mark my words. The nerds are going to come out. This was a winnable game today. You could have, we've had like seven winnable games because of him. We have no good players.

We have him against always. Here'snable games great because of him. We have no good players with him against always Here's what's gonna happen this week the nerds when they do the the EQ all the all like the fancy stats May is gonna be amazing in these different stats like the PFF all that stuff. I'm telling you he's gonna be great You and the nerds you should watch games with the nerds Can we bring in Kyle for a second Kyle? Are you are you listening this? No, this is this is Kyle Tell Sal how good Drake may is because he doesn't seem to believe me. He's really good Sal. He's really good Oh, yeah, okay first half of these games. You should just watch the first half. Oh just the first half. Okay. All right He's really good. All right, you turned me around. I didn't I didn't believe you but just be on the right side of history This Drake may is a guy. Really? it's a guy. He's a guy

This is happening. How much are you gonna pay for him in fantasy next year? I'll say this he's gonna be on all my fantasy teams going forward really. Yeah, what a lunatic you are This is great It's fine, it's fine. It's fine. It's great. I love Tatum. At Tatum first year, I was like, this guy's got it. We got somebody.

This guy's like a special guy. And I feel the same way about Drake May. I felt the same way about Ray Bork in 1979. It's like, this guy's a guy. Your favorite rookie. I got to look back. You're missing somebody here. Mookie Betts, same thing.

Mookie Betts is a rookie. It's like, this guy has it. Yeah. And he did have it. He did have it. And. And then he took it. Let's wait on this guy. Yeah It'll be around. We'll see Get groceries delivered across the GTA from real Canadian Superstore with PC Express Shop online for super prices and super savings try it today and get up to $75 in PC optimum points Visit superstore.ca to get started. Sure, I could tell you winter's coming or that it brings cool dry air, but you already knew that.

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The Saturday games. Baltimore handled Pittsburgh. Winnable game for Pittsburgh. Russ Wilson. We wait for it. Is it a Pickens thing or is this, this is always who Russ was. It doesn't help, but I was waiting for this kind of, I mean, it was the first bad hustle and bustle game we've seen in a while. He fumbled at the goal line and he threw that bad pick at the end there. Two terrible plays. Honestly, the thing that makes them just like everyone else, they're going to give up 220 rushing yards. I mean, I know it's Derek Henry,

but that defense can't take weeks off. That's for sure. Otherwise you're going to look at 34 17 every week. Yeah, I agree. I just feel like with Pickens, I'm not willing to make a definitive anything on them until Pickens is back. I want to see what that looks like. He claims he's going to play Wednesday. Pittsburgh has to win out of there, the five seed. The other team is Houston, who I thought was on pace to maybe win that KC game. That tank down injury was one of the worst injuries in a while.

It seemed like it sucked the life out of the game. It sucked the life out of them. All of a sudden they only had one receiver, but it felt like they had a real chance to win that game and I liked the way their defense was playing after that. It was like, ah, they're not going to win this. You know what? I think they're mid-carders who maybe WWE comp from the eighties, like like David Bruno San Martino. Tito Santana. All right.

Yeah. On his, on his way down, I would say Santana cowboy, Bob Orton, somewhere in there. Cause that's, that's, that's perfect. What the right there, but yeah, you're at that injury was all. Yeah. Vita V I don't know. No, but they, uh, that was an awful injury.

It was gross. It was a lot of emotion. And then the sadness turned to outright hate when Fairbairn missed that extra point, which basically took another half hour. Yeah, that was it. So we had those two games. We had terrible college football games, but we had the fight was awesome. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

And both of us had a lot of money on USIC. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. And both of us had a lot of money on Usyk. And after round five, I was super worried. Because it felt like, it felt like Fury had put on so much weight. It just felt like he was too big. And it felt like he had somehow stayed in enough shape to battle Usyk. And it felt like Usyk could not figure it out. And then, of course course he figured it out.

When Fury came out with those trunks and they were so high, they were like just right under the nipples. And you're like, oh yeah, he's hiding that gut. But he kept coming at him. I mean, I hadn't seen heavyweights like that, where usually you're gonna get clenches for half the round. You got like one or two per round. Like those guys were just thrown at each other.

Yeah. And Fury was hitting. He was determined not to be leaned on, be trapped against the ropes. He was always trying to stay in the middle moving around. Could we see it again? I know he's beating it twice, but I don't, you know, it's weird because neither guy was rocked

to a point where, oh man, he's really in trouble in either fight, I don't think. But I'd love to see it again. Like, why not just keep fighting. It was great. I would, I would watch you sick fight anybody. I really love how he kind of changes his style depending on who he's going against, so go back and forth in South pond regular.

He just, he's always up to shit, but what about Drake? Would you want him to fight Drake may be them? I think you believe that too. Kyle, come on. Drake May is a little brother. He's got beaten up by his brothers for his entire childhood. Does Drake May beat who is going to fight Kyle? I love Drake May. I am happy to die on this hill. Good.

I am happy. I'll throw you the best funeral. I am happy to die in this hill. Good. I am happy. We have a guy. I'll throw you the best funeral. So far. Remember when Dak was good those first couple of games with Dallas and you were like, you were like, fuck, Dak might actually be good. And you kind of just slowly realized, oh, we have a guy. Yeah.

But it was an angry guy. I was such a Romo guy there. And he won when he beat Pittsburgh. That was, that was, my angel in an innocent thing. Yeah. My hormones were way out of whack. That's either a couple of random observations for you. Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, really good.

I think he's the best rookie receiver. The stuff he's doing in these games with the quarterbacks he's had and the amount of times he's been overthrown and all the different things they ask him to do. He's just terrifying. I feel like he's like a top seven receiver now. Right? If we're doing fantasy again right now, I think he's one of the first seven. He's stuck on a bad team, I think right now, but I was looking at his comps

against Malik neighbors this year. Yeah. Neighbors neighbors has been out a bunch, but still has more catches and not nearly as many yards or touchdowns or anything else. The guy just knows how to get open. I was looking at these odds. It doesn't matter. Jayden Daniels is going to win, but I think it's a handful of guys who are second.

You could put Bowers, you could put Bucky Irving, you could put Brian Thomas Jr. Right in there, I think for a second. Thomas Jr. Has to have the degree of difficulty of how bad his quarterbacks have been. Right. And I don't know. I'd love to see a montage of how many times he's been wide open and somebody threw it over his head, but it's at least four times that

I can remember watching, But he went 23rd. Yeah. Right. And Adunze went over him. Neighbors went over him. Marvin Harrison went over him. And there was three teams that needed a receiver. And then he dropped and he dropped.

And if you go look at the little pocket of players, all the players are good. Like Jared verse, he go on through. Um, but I was like, God damn, I wish the pats had traded up for him or somebody. Like imagine if Casey had traded up for him. He was right in that zone where it would have been pretty easy to move up like five, six spots and grab them. But he just seems like he's a home run pick for them. So it's hard.

Yeah. I'm not going to say it's harder to Pick than a quarterback, but some of these guys are in such like spread weird offenses in college It's tough to see what she's gonna translate even than even with pro days and timing and everything else Yeah, yeah, he was a steal. I will say van lathe and LSE fan who watched his watch them there Was adamant that he was going to be awesome. He was like, I don't understand why he's the fourth guy and why, like, how did they decide

that he was just the fourth best guy out of all these guys? The guy was incredible in college. Right. Um, Jared got 33 touchdowns this year. Wanted to mention that touchdown passes outside chance for 40. Well, doesn't, uh, Donald at 32 is it 33 to 32? I mean, that could be a good week 18. That'd be fun.

I was just thinking like that's one of the great random trades of this century that Stafford golf trade, how it rejuvenated the line. I know people have talked about it a million times, but. that Stafford, golf trade, how it rejuvenated the line. I know people have talked about it a million times, but golf just being miles leaps and bounds better than you ever could have expected if you're the Lions and you're getting him. And then Stafford went to the Superbowl, but imagine me telling you three years ago,

golf is gonna be the quarterback on a team that's 13 and two, and he's gonna have 33 touchdown passes with two weeks to go. You've been like, what? I would. Well, you told me the same thing about Mack Jones and I didn't believe you, but yeah, no, you're right. No, he's if anything else, we could stop the golf and cold weather. Can't get it done.

They now know that in Green Bay, he's done in Chicago. This was an easy trap game as bad as Chicago has been. And they, uh, they butchered them. easy trap game as bad as Chicago has been. And they, uh, they butchered them. I wrote down Caleb has replaced Kyler as the new king of garbage time. Yeah, maybe down 20, the fucking lights it up. Look out.

Yeah. Here comes Caleb. I want them to break the record. Nobody's sacking him enough anymore. It's going to be David Carr's records though. He has like, he has like 60, he needs 70. David Carr is going to be popping the champagne in yet another year. I mean, compared to Trey Bang. He has a franchise record for sacks. If they told the Bears, like, hey, this quarterback is Caleb Williams, he's going to set a franchise record this year.

You'd be like, oh, this is great. Really? A franchise record.. Yeah. Hundreds of years. Pennex looked fine. Yeah. He's okay. You know what? He can move on like her cousins. He was, what was he, 18 for 27, 202. I bet, maybe you think this is a dumb bet anyway, I bet no interceptions because I thought they were going to put kid gloves on them. It was going to be a lot of Bijan. It's going to be a lot of screen passes and that fucking Kyle Pitts. Oh, when he threw it.

Player in NFL history. And it doesn't even count as a fumble because he catches the ball and bats it right to the defender. He even drops the ones he catches, like not called fumbles drafted fourth overall. That's a bad pick. That's the worst. I would have been more outraged about that, but the Patriots have done that to Drake May like four times this year,

where they've caught the ball and then just whipped it to the other team. That should have a name when a guy does that. It shouldn't count as an interception for the quarterback. It should be like a team interception or something. It's not good. It's the pits for sure. That said, Falcons defense was the add drop of the decade. Anyone who had the Falcons defense, picked them up Thursday, Friday. Good job by you.

You won your fantasy week. Last thing I had before Guess the Lines. Ricky Henderson. Ah, great Matt. Kind of ahead of his time. Would have been really great with the internet. Like social media, he would have been a whole other level of famous, notorious, everything. I remember doing the unintentional comedy rating, like doing that whole, like he was one of the unintentionally funniest athletes we've ever had. He was also great to watch. There was nobody like him.

He was way ahead of his time with the on base, steals, power, like all the stuff like we knew in the 21st century mattered, but we didn't really know in the previous century. And in person, mm-hmm, was one of like the seven or eight most memorable baseball players I ever went to see in person, right? like the seven or eight most memorable baseball players I ever went to see in person. Right. Is this the same for you? Terrific.

One of the most entertaining, obviously the fastest you've seen headfirst sliding, taking the base off, just holding the base over his head. We just don't see it anymore. I mean, you, cause no one's breaking the records like he does, but yeah, I think you're right about the social media. He would be just what Major League baseball needed. Like Mike trout, you can't get any good soundbites at all. Ricky Henderson would be all over.

He would be basically Yogi Berra, um, from 2000, right. Uh, and before the third person stuff was so fucking funny with him. Like he, other people have done it. He did it the best. I remember, um, I went to Yankee Stadium once with a couple of my high school friends and we sat in the left field bleachers. He was playing left field. It was like late eighties and he'd run out every inning and our whole section was just

screaming, Ricky, Ricky, trying to get him to turn around. And he came out every inning for like five, six innings and he wouldn't turn around. And we're just yant, we're drinking and we're like, Ricky! Come on, Ricky! One time! Ricky! He's just stonewalling us. Nothing?

And then, then like the sixth inning, we're like, Ricky! Ricky! And then finally he turned around, huge smile on his face and tipped his hat. But we had been doing it for like two hours. We were like, what was the tipping point for him? But it's like, he couldn't have done that in the third inning, but it was just, we just, it was so much fun to just watch him like walk around, interact with people. Yeah. Well, there was nobody like him. His hearing was very bad.

So maybe he didn't need just to notice it. No, he was great. He was so much fun. What a bummer. I felt like he was on a lot of teams too. Like he was in the Red Sox. He was. You do immaculate grid. He was on the Mets and Yankees.

You know, he passed him. You can nail the immaculate grid with him all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. We had a fun year with him. Just watching him. I mean, he was the older version of himself, but. All right.

Guess the lines. What's the score? Let's do it. You're up eight, seven, one heading into week 17. Yeah. It's seven one. So I don't know if you know this, but there's Christmas day games this year. On Wednesday. Really?

Yeah. What? I mean, CBS, NBC, Netflix, Netflix, the one where you mail in the DVDs and you get them back. How is that going to work? The one where you mail in the DVDs and you get them back. How is that gonna work? 20 people doing the two games. Pretty much everybody. Oh, that's a lot.

Yeah, it's your nightmare. You hate that. Well, it seems like they're only gonna have four or five people on the thing, but- What are you gonna do with the other 15? Nothing can be worse than Jack Collinsworth interviewing like Tony Dungy. What is that segment? Why doesn't Jack Collinsworth get to make points? Just like Tony, what do you think about their defense?

Well, I guess you're just setting them up for questions. Yeah, it's weird that Tony Dungy just asked himself the questions. So I guess that's how it has to be. That would be amazing. You'll learn a lot from this guy, Jack. Just ask him anything. Jack, the Catboys just play. That is the greatest game I've ever seen, Jack. Let's get a drink.

I can watch these two teams play till March. Secondary. Uh, Christmas day. Chiefs at Steelers. So spoiler alert, I have home underdogs for both games. Chiefs at Steelers. I have chiefs by two and a half in Pittsburgh. Here's where the cheating, the Netflix.

Shut up. I had three. It is two and a half. Exactly. Should be two and a half. You mean a Pickens back for this game? Yeah. Super winnable game for the Steelers.

This is a good one. Which NBA game is this up against? You're not gonna watch any NBA are you? I might sneak out, sneak a little. I don't know what the NBA is doing with the scheduling. Three games today. It's like God forbid they had a game going against Cincinnati and Dallas on Sunday night, a game that literally meant nothing.

God forbid you had one game going against that. They wouldn't do that. No, didn't make sense. They're like intentionally shooting themselves in the foot. Um, are your Celtics play at two o'clock? Uh, our time. So you should be good. It's a bored Celtics play at two o'clock, our time. So you should be good. It's a bored Celtics team.

Just waiting to get to April now. The Celtics are anytime they're favored by 10 and up against anybody. You got to be careful. Yeah. No, like that first bulls game they played. I got, I know in the first quarter I'm like, Oh, it's one of these games. Okay. I got it. Well, let me know. Cause I'll live bet against them. I know you won first quarter I'm like, oh, it's one of these games. Okay. I got it.

Well, let me know because I'll live bet against them. I know you won't, but just send me a little text. We'll split. Tatum's been great. Next one is Ravens at Houston. No Tank Del. No Stefan Diggs. Mid-Carter's.

Salvatore Belomo. Here we go. Salvatore Bellomo. SD Jones. Ivan Putsky. He's perfect actually. Yeah. I have the Ravens by two and a half. All right that's exactly what I had. It is three and a half. It's tough fun. I'd be surprised if Baltimore. What's the bet? First for Wednesday. Celtics.

No. Man, I kind of like both favorites. Kind of do. I like the Steelers and the Tees. Thursday. So we have two Wednesday games and then somehow they're like, let's also have a Thursday game. Barely. Seahawks at the Bears. I have another road favorite. I have Seahawks by two and a half. I changed this. I had three and a half. I changed it to four and a half. We're going to split it.

It is three and a half. I went four and a half. Thank God that fired, Matt Eberfluss. Well, that's a freaking disaster. That fixed it. It really is something. Sunday marquee. This is a really good game.

Vikings Packers in Minnesota. So one of the five best games of the year. Really good. I had the Vikings by two because I don't think, I think people, there's a shred of doubt, like which even you have, it should be a three, but I'm going to say Vikings by two. I had three and a half. And I still need some convincing that it shouldn't be.

You're right. It's one and a half. You get it. What did you guess? I had three and a half. Oh, Jesus. I mean, what do you mean Jesus? No, people like this Packers team. I know. One and a half is like, that's an even field line now.

That means if it was in Green Bay, it would be green bay by one of them. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. Packers off a short week and Vikings. I'm going to, don't get me wrong. I'm going to take the Packers after all this nonsense talk, but. People like the Packers. Wow.

So Steelers Packers is a tease. I'm going to look at that one. Watchables. I got four and it's mostly playoff related. Chargers at the Pats because the Chargers need it. Watchables. I got four and it's mostly playoff related. Chargers at the Pats because the Chargers need it. I think it's, it's a game to watch. It'll also be fun because Drake May is really good at football. You'll enjoy watching them.

Drake May fans. It's a Saturday game, Saturday morning, right? For us. It's a, oh, you're right. It's a Saturday game. It is three Saturday games. Yeah. Oh, see, I didn't mark down my Saturday games.

This screws you up, buddy. I win the week. Bad hosting. I win the week. This is like you not signing your golf card at the end. No, no, no. I win the week. It's fine. Chargers, Pats.

I have the Chargers by four in New England. I get this. I said six and a half and it's five and a half. That's stupid. It's too high. I like the Pats. No. You seen their quarterback? The problem for the Pats in this game is

they had the lad McConkey pick number 34, traded backwards three spots to 37 to take Polk. Right. And then with the fourth rounder they got, they took Baker and McConkie on Thursday night had more yards in that game than those two guys who had the entire season. Polk was good though. Shit. Yeah.

Polk lost his confidence. Yeah. It was good. You know what happened. Next Saturday game is Bengals Broncos. This is in Cincinnati. And I think there's going to be a little, little, uh, irrational Bengals love that pushes this line over three to three and a half Bengals by three and a half.

All right. Well, I was way irrational here. I said five and a half. It's three. Nobody trusts. Vandal does not talk not trust the Bengals at all. This does feel like a game too, by the way. I'm on it. I didn't realize that I actually did this correctly because the third one I have, I just wrote down Watchables and I meant to write down Saturday because the other one is Rams Cardinals, which is also a pretty

good game, although the cards have been eliminated it's in LA and I'm going to say Rams by four and a half. It's Rams. Uh, I got this exactly. It's five and a half. Oh, notice I'm on with these picks. I'm like very close. Every, this is usually a good sign for my bedding.

This is the Cardinals beat them 41 10 in September. Yeah. That was when the Rams were up and up though. Jeez. Fairly watchables Tampa Bay Buccaneers home for the Carolina Panthers in a game that I think is almost guaranteed to be Joe House's underdog Moneyline special on the Ringer Sunday pregame. He shouldn't do it. Lock it down.

I have bucks by eight. You're going to get this. I said nine and a half. Why is it nine and a half? It's eight and a half. No, I did get it. Teaser. They played what? Two weeks ago? Three weeks ago? Why is it nine and a half? It's eight and a half. No, I did get it.

Teaser. They played what? Two weeks ago, three weeks ago. I don't think I would tease Tampa because of that. I didn't love their defense. That was another iffy game for them. Okay. Next Fairly Watchable.

Dolphins at Cleveland. What does Fairly mean anymore? I gotta look up Fairly. Well, it's an important game for the dolphins. The Browns are always a dumpster fire. It's cold weather. Miles Garrett. Um, this game can go in a lot of directions.

I have dolphins by six and a half. I get this. I said six. It is five and a half. Six to five Europe. That would be a nice little cold weather test for the Dolphins if it's cold. Yeah. Right?

Let's see what you guys have. A quarterback bad enough that you could win whether the temperature doesn't matter. It's interesting. Is there another quarterback they can play? Are they down the road with Thompson Robinson? Is there anybody else? They're talking about signing him for next year already. I was looking into this, keeping them around.

Eagles Cowboys in Philly. And I would have said 10 and a half before what I watched today. And now I'm gonna say nine. Yeah, you're gonna get it anyway. I said eight and a half. It is, it is 10 and a half. You should have, you could have stuck that.

Jesus. That's too high. 34, six, they beat us in November. That's too high, especially because I'm not convinced hurts playing hurts plays next week. Are you? Well, is it going to be a dependent neurologist or an independent neurologist at test this? We shouldn't make jokes.

I don't know. Is this first though, right? Is this his first concussion? But the game doesn't 100% matter for them. Why wouldn't they be take it easy with them and just play picket for a week? Right. Yeah, it's true. They like beating the Cowboys.

That's why. Four poop vector games, Bills, Giants and Buffalo. I got Bills by 12 and a half. Bills Jets. Bills Jets. My bad. Bills minus 12 and a half against the Jets. Oh no. I had 10. It's nine and a half. Too low. Let's take that. Let's figure something out with that. It feels like a three team seven pointer.

Yeah. Saints home for the Raiders. Awful game. I have the saints by two and a half. I had three, it is two and a half. Colts at the giants. What's crazy is I don't think the giants can be getting under a touchdown against anybody at this point who's half decent to somewhat crappy, which is the Colts are

in there. No, they can. You should guess under. Guess under a touchdown. I got Colts minus eight. Shit. I said six. It's seven and a half. You get it. I'm on this week, Sal. Damn. Hold on. Let me count. Can I even win? I half. You got it. I'm on this week, Sal. Damn, hold on. Let me count. Can I even win?

You've done. Seven, eight, nine, two, three, four, five, six. You're right. Three, I'm down three with three left. Jags home for the Titans. I got Jags minus one and a half. I think this is a neutral field line. Man, I can't believe how much I'm losing

by half a point here. I said two, it is one and a half. I'm on it today. Really, it's like when the Patriots were cheating at their best, the spy cams and everything, stealing signs, everything working. That's kind of- You say what you need to say to help yourself.

That's what you got, thank you. I mean, we agreed that minus one and a half is the neutral field line, right? I know. They shouldn't even have a line on this. One iota better than the Titans or vice versa. They both suck. I mean, that's a neutral field line.

And it was 10-6 a couple of weeks ago. Yep. Sunday night, Washington home for the Falcons. Oh, it's a good game. Does it mean anything for the Falcons. It's a good game. Does it mean anything for the Washington? I know there's like a 3% chance they don't make it or something, but that touchdown now, that really did kill me. Does it mean anything? Let me see. So... No, they could still, I think...

No, Seattle or Atlanta. The Seattle Atlanta combo could catch them, right? You get like a three-way tie at 10 and 7, and maybe it's bad for you. I think the Seattle Atlanta combo could catch them, right? You get like a three-way tie at 10 and seven and maybe it's bad for you. If they had clinched, we would have heard that they clinched. Right, no, I know. I saw Kornacki said that. Oh, and by the way, they're playing Atlanta,

which is one of the teams that could catch them. Washington minus three and a half is my guess. I get this. I said four, it's four and a half, but I think that's a little high. That's too high. Atlanta has Kyle Pitts though. They factored in the Kyle Pitts team interception. Last one Monday night, a game that I guarantee they were thinking was going

to be fucking awesome Detroit at San Francisco. This was like ESPN was probably one of their first draft picks when they draft what games they want to have for Monday night. It's the NFC Championship. It's probably a top three game, right? Oh yeah, let's put that December after, the Monday after Christmas, Lions Niners, that's gonna be one of our best games. We'll have an awesome manning cast.

Well, the joke's on you, because this game's Niners. That's gonna be one of our best games. We'll have an awesome manning cast. Well, the joke's on you, cause this game's gonna suck. Lion's minus six and a half is my guess. Wow. I said five and a half. It is three and a half, Bill. Oh my Lord. Wait, did I maybe six, eight, three?

Yep, I won. No, no you won. 10, eight. Damn. What, three and a half? What's the explanation for that? The Lions need the game. I want now. Now you want 10, eight. What? Three and a half. What's the explanation for that? The lions need the game.

They're trying to get the one seed. How does that make sense? Is this a get right game for the Niners offense? If the lions are that banged up now have to travel. You know, I'm in an unbelievable hedge situation with the Lions one seed if they win that game. Cause we both have, we have a lot of one seed money. Yeah. Yeah.

We're like, we had them at like six to one. They're going to be home for Minnesota week 18. Right. Yeah, sure. If they win, they get the one seed. If they lose, they don't get the one seed. We'll be able to take the Minnesota money line and just walk away with a profit. And yet we won't do it because we're going to have that heat moment where you

did the Tom Sizemore and you go for me, the action is the juice. Let's ride the lions. And all of a sudden we're riding the lions. That's how it's going to play out. I like that movie a lot. And I like where you're coming from. Should we bet the Vikings this week? Isn't that kind of the same thing?

Well, the parlay would be they'd have to be Green Bay and Detroit. Yeah. But if they lose this game. But what the odds wouldn't be. Right. I don't think the odds are worth how hard that's going to be to do that. All right. Well, do they have the odds?

I'm going on Fandl now. So the division? Yeah. Minus 290 for Detroit plus 240 for the Vikings. I guess we could just do that. You can't be the one seed, not one of the division, right? You know, another interesting thing that happened with speaking of Fandl. Did you see the MVP odds?

I have not looked. Cause Alan, Alan wasn't awesome today. Yeah. It's down to minus four 50. Right. They're playing, who did they say, who'd we say they're playing this week? They're playing the jets and then week 18 pats. He might not even play.

And then Lamar is playing on Christmas, trying to get the two, the two seed or three seed. Lots of eyeballs there. Yeah. So Lamar is plus three 80 now for MVP. He'll have to win the division. Right. So he has to get lucky and have big games.

I think if he's incredible on Christmas, it's in play, but Allen was nine to one Thursday and now he's minus four 50. Yeah. Well, he threw an interception, God forbid. That's good. That's minus four 50. Yeah. Well, he threw an interception. God forbid. That's good. That's a good battle. I think. And then make the playoffs odds.

Then we have four. Then we have Cincinnati's 22 to one. Not to make the play. Wait a minute. That went up from this morning. There, if you bet them to make the playoffs, it's plus 10 40. It was six 80. They have a worse shot now, I guess, because the Colts, the Colts and

dolphins. Yeah. Wow. Numbers are fun. Yeah. The Colts are plus three 90 and the dolphins are plus eight 20 in Denver's minus two 80. So the Colts need Denver to lose to Cincinnati and then they need to win their last two,

which you said were very easy, right? Who was it? The Raiders? Yeah, but they're the Colts. Richardson just loves to throw it. They're playing the Giants, so they'll win next week. But then they're home against the Jags. I guess that's pretty easy.

They're playing, those might be two of the three worst teams in the league. Yeah, the Jags will try though. So indie. That's a fun one. Yes. Plus three 90. Denver has Denver's at Cincinnati home KC. Yeah.

Why are they favored? I'm not, I go back and forth as to who that's going to matter for. Well, now it's going to matter for Denver, right? Is Denver in if they win? Now I'm all for Denver. Yeah, I think they have to win the last two. They have to win both. Yeah.

Yeah, yep, that makes sense. Interesting. And then we have a conference. Oh, the one thing that's. I think Denver would only have to win one Simmons. Cause that, that minus two 80, it wouldn't be minus two 80 if they have to win both. Would it be?

Yeah. Maybe they just have, or maybe they have to win one and then all the other variables if anyone loses anything. So they have one seed bets on Fandl Detroit's minus three 10 Minnesota's plus three 10 Eagles are 17 to one. They're not winning. So we could hedge right now with the Vikings plus three 10. For me, the action is the juice.

That's it. Billy size more. I like it. Stay in put. The worst. What do you think for him? The bank is worth the risk. Rahim's threatening to go in another cold funk, by the way.

I'm worried about him. What do you mean? He lost a couple of bets. He was all upset. I know. Text thread. Yeah, that's all right. He's in Vegas.

He'll be fine. He's in Vegas for like three and a half weeks. What could go wrong? What could go wrong? We'll see. We'll see him for round one in my house. Yeah. I don't know what kind of shape he's going to be in mentally.

What kind of shape JJ is going to be in. What if we get dolphins in round one? Oh yeah. Yeah. We should start rooting for the dolphins now. Oh, so Rudy says the Broncos only have to win one of the next two to get in. Yeah. Yeah. Which we probably should have known.

Minus 280. Yeah. That's at Cincy home KC. Well, they're only a three point underdog at that Cincy. So they're right there. What do you got for parent corner? Parent corner. All right. So I mean, you would, you would thank you for checking up on me there Saturday. It did turn out, my son did not have ringworm. So we did have to go to the tournament.

I had to drive them to get weighed in because the team doesn't have buses at 7 a.m. sat my car. I bet EPL, like a lunatic tournament started at nine 30, all these games going on, you know, it was supposed to be, luckily the games weren't great, but you know, I still had to watch wrestling till like 2 PM. So my car from 7 AM, the fight was at like 1 30. Got it. It was like 2 30.

I got home just in time for it. Yeah. Okay. So, but you and I were talking about this and I feel like we should go further with it. This is the, I think you said something like, we do these things, why, so that our kids don't abandon us later in life when we need them.

Oh, you want to talk, this is, yeah, this is the depressing text thread we had. It was, but I think it's, I think we should make it official. I don't know what we call this, but we should make agreements with our kids. It's layaway plans. Is it layaway? Yeah, when we should make agreements with our kids. It's layaway plans. Is it layaway? Yeah, when we get old and we're dying

and they're taking care of us, if they give any, if they complain at all, we're like, I was at that fucking wrestling tournament for you in year 15, I wasted my whole Saturday and it was a great sports day. You're gonna go get me a glass of water now. I like it, but I wonder if we present it like right away, like right when they move out, when they're 18 years old, you have a list, me a glass of water now. I like it, but I wonder if we present it like right away, like right when they move out when they're 18 years old,

you have a list, like a scroll of stuff. I don't know if we call it a parental prenup or a kinsurance maybe, but, and you like, you just show your kid. Kinsurance. Kinsurance, that's what it is. Yeah, you have to take care of me. Yeah, and it's like, hey, remember you got a D in geometry?

And I found out and you told your mother you you got a C and, uh, well, I'd never said anything. So you have to shop for me when I'm old. And remember I took you to wrestling tournaments in orange County at 6 AM all throughout the fall. And I don't watch Penn state. Do I had thousands of dollars on a teaser also for your benefit on my phone from the smelly bleachers.

You're going to wipe me when I turn 80. All right. And if I bail you out of juvenile detention, you're building a ramp in my house when I can't walk up the stairs. I think we should have to lay it out for these kids as we're, you know, it's not like, all right, plus you get money, whatever, if I pass on, but I think this needs to be an official thing. Insurance. Insurance.

So your dad, if he had played the insurance card a couple years ago, is anything different? You spending more time with him on the weekends? I would never see him after he turned 50. No, no, no. You feel like I've lost your insurance papers. No. He's like the Dallas Cowboys. Like, you know what?

Why couldn't you be good early in the season, early in my life? Why are you turning it on now as a grandparent? No, I shouldn't say that. He's a great dude. Kinsurance. Why are you trying to finish nine and eight? What would you say to Ben? What would you present to Ben? I mean, I'm lying for Ben tonight.

He's got girls over and he's like, don't tell mom. I'm like, all right, I won't tell her. Oh, shit, now I'm on a live YouTube. I guess I said something. He's got to take and he's like, don't tell mom. I'm like, all right, I won't tell her. Oh, I'm going to lab YouTube. I guess I said something. He's got to take you to the Celtics. I'm going to invite people over while my dad's doing a podcast and defer him in the house. Perfect.

Yeah, it's great. In fact, we probably should wrap it up soon. Yeah, I'm going to cash it on my, my Kinsurance. I love it. So mine, so. Well, I think you just said yours. It's better than that. He's got girls over right now. My stepmom who has been in my life since the mid 80s and the whole time when we met her she was like a young, when my dad met her, she was a young doctor, right? And, you know, doing like crazy hours,

like you would see on the Grey's Anatomy, just like nuts. And then eventually, like got better and better, had a practice. She's been, you know, delivering babies, doing all kinds of stuff, OBJYN, forever. And this is end of the year. She's done retiring. Really? Oh wow.

That's it. Great career. Um, saw a lot of female body parts, um, delivered a lot of babies. But yeah, yeah, somewhere. Had a lot of, and it's a weird thing. Cause like, like Zoe had a playoff game, um, like a month ago and the coach came over, the other team before the game, and my stepmother was like, oh, I delivered her baby. And it's like she just runs into these people who she's delivered babies and done these,

the most intimate kind of like doctor patient things. And it's like, oh, this is Jessica. I've delivered three of her kids. So anyway, she's wrapping it up. So I thought since this is a nice moment, I would tell a story about my stepmother. Well, I don't know if I've done much on Parent Corner, who doesn't like to be talked about at all

and is probably mortified right now. When she, when I was going to college in Worcester, but then I was living in Boston, I would go hang out with my dad, and we would watch sports. You know, we'd go watch like South to Game, football game. I would just go over, we'd get dinner, and she would always be on call. And part of the reason I would be over is like,

oh, we'll watch sports, Molly's not gonna be home. Like she wouldn't wanna watch. Her car would always, you would see, like they had this driveway in front of where the TV was in the window. And there would be like a minute left and be like, tie game. We'll be back after this to see what happens with Larry Bird and the Celtics. And then the headlights would be in the driveway and it would be like, oh, she's home. And then she would come in and we'd and my dad would have to talk to her about her day as Like the last minute of these games and I used to think it was like the funniest thing ever. I was like, oh my god like she

Uncanny timing for for showing up anytime. There's a big moment And I thought it was like a like a couple time coincidence thing that it became something that happened all the time And I was telling my buddy Gus about this and he had the same thing with his wife where he'd be watching like a Mets game and she'd come home with the grocery store. So, oh my God, I got to tell you a story. And it's like, I think some people have this power and other people don't where they show up at the perfectly wrong time of the game.

So I was like, well, when I get married, that's never going to happen to me. And then I met my wife, same thing, shows up, comes home right there in these huge moments. So do you think some people just have these powers? It's like a magnet. Cause my stepmother, I feel like invented it. I think 30, 40 years ago, it's more of a power. Now, you and I watch sports all the time. So it's going to be, we even phase us cause our TV, but also our TV breaks into four bot. Like there's always going to be something interesting that

they're going to walk in on composite. Right. What I want to know is maybe like a Fox, she's been hanging out in the driveway, listening to the Celtics game, awaiting to fuck with us. Oh, that's interesting. She's a bigger surprise than you are. It turns out she's actually roots the harder than you. a bigger Celtics fan. I wouldn't be surprised.

Than you are, it turns out. She's actually roots harder than you. I wouldn't be surprised. She's the greatest practical joker of all time. I like that. Her favorite Celtic was Robert Parrish. Nice. Still wears the Parrish jersey or the KG jersey of the games.

When my dad met her, she didn't know anything about sports. Like nothing, didn't have a TV. And now has this whole Celtic sister. Anyway, Dr. Molly Clark hanging it up. End of the year. Great job by her. Great job by you, Dr. Molly Clark. Yeah, she delivered- A lot of deliveries, a lot of vaginas.

She delivered 14 of tiny Archibald's babies. Calvin Murphy. What do you got for the holidays? How many people? Well, we got a ringer pregame show next Sunday. I don't know if I mentioned I'm 14 and two with my wisest wager against the odds. You didn't mention that.

I know I didn't. I should mention it now, 14 and fricking two. That's pretty good. Christmas games we'll talk about on Against the Odds, the NBA picks, we got a lot for you. There, that's it. Just sticking around. What do you got? How many people? How many people for like how many people during those two Christmas games? How many people are you gonna have to navigate? Nine. That's not bad. Nine. Yeah,

not too bad. You know what's interesting? The games are earlier. Yeah, right. Because they wanted to get them on and like, you know, Europe and So the first game is at 10 o'clock. It's almost like Thanksgiving times. And then the second one's at 1.30. There's no night game. I think Thanksgiving's a bigger pain to yes, to navigate. Because you have that hour, you actually have to sit at a table. Christmas, you have the same kind of thing.

But opening gifts doesn't take forever anymore, does it? Well, we don't have little kids anymore. Well, how long did have little kids anymore. Well, how long do you knock even, even so? It was an hour. The little kids part though, that's like in the morning, you open, you take the pictures and then at 10 o'clock you're like, all right, I'll see you guys later. My home's is on. It's tough.

Yeah, right. It's a tough one to pull off. I need a wife who delivers babies or something so she can go and let her know when to come in. A lot of babies. Babies they name babies after her. That's great. Like hundreds of mollies in the New England area because everybody likes her.

Amazing. Good job. Yeah. Hanging it up. Speaking of hanging it up, we're hanging up the podcast thanks to Kyle and Saruti and Gahal. Sal, I'm going to be back with the rewatchables on Monday and then I'm not gonna be back on this podcast till Thursday.

What's your schedule gonna be? Well, I don't care about your other podcast. No, against all odds, you'll hear it Tuesday morning. We'll do it right after the Monday night game and like I said, bring your pregame show on Sunday. Check it out. Good job by you. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. Alright. Good job by you. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas!

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