The Bill Simmons Podcast - The Super Bowl LVIII Props Mega-Special With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss their Super Bowl bet win-loss record for the 21st century (2:53) before running through their favorite prop bets for Super Bowl LVIII (19:4...7). Finally, they find some values in NBA awards and conference winner odds (1:04:16) before closing the show with Parent Corner (1:16:47). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:42 present in select states. Gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com. We're also brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where we are covering football like crazy. All of our football shows, you know what they are. All of our gambling shows, you know what they are. TheRinger.com, you know where to find it. I have a new rewatch of those coming up on Monday. It is from the tour that we just did. We did a little mini, mini little, uh, cold weather tour. We're going to be running the fugitives. It was the first one we did in Chicago. It was me and Chris Ryan and Mallory Rubin, Craig Horlbeck joined us at the end. And, uh, we had so much fun seeing everybody. We were in Chicago. We were in DC. We're in Philly and we're in New York city.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Uh, the, The people that came out were just awesome. It was really, really fun. We've had this podcast now since 2017. And it's fun to just, the live show, different energy. Maybe make some choices you wouldn't make if we're just in a studio in a good way. But it was an absolute blast. We loved it. I was worried I was going to get run out of energy by the end, but I think four and five was the right number. I don't know if I could have done
Starting point is 00:02:51 five out of five, but it was fun bouncing around. It was fun. Each city kind of acted a little bit like the city, like Chicago, very Midwestern, very polite,
Starting point is 00:03:11 super enthusiastic. Washington, also enthusiastic, a little more thoughtful. And then when we get to Philly, people are engaging with us. It was hilarious. They were, you know, shouting out stuff for the categories. They were really like co-hosting with us. And New York a little bit of the same too, but we had an absolute blast. So thanks to everybody who came out. I promise we're going to keep doing more of these. I think we're looking at Boston definitely at some point this spring. And then I think we're going to pop into San Francisco because that's a nice, easy trip for us from LA. So I think those are going to be the next two. So stay tuned for those. And thanks so much to everyone from behind the scenes that helped us out with that,
Starting point is 00:03:50 including our girl Elizabeth who put the whole tour together and was lights out. Craig, who was producing every pod. David Lahr was doing all the social. So thanks to everybody who helped us out. With that, you can check out The Fugitive on the Rewatchables feed. Enough of my long preamble.
Starting point is 00:04:08 The Cuz is coming up. Super Bowl props is next. First, our friends from ProJet. All right, it's time. Super Bowl props. What Super Bowl are we up to? I don't even know. We're in like the high 50s. What is this, Sal?
Starting point is 00:04:40 It's LCCQM, isn't it? No, it's 58. 58. Super Bowl 58. Who are the great 58 isn't it? No, it's 58. Simple 58. Who are the great 58s in sports? I can't even think. Jack Lambert, right? Oh, Jack Lambert. That's a good one. No great ones in basketball.
Starting point is 00:04:56 58. Great. We've known each other since Raiders Tampa. Yeah, that was the first one. We watched that one Since Raiders Tampa? Yeah. Yeah. That was the first one. Yep.
Starting point is 00:05:07 We watched that one together in our producer, Daniel Collison's office. We made a bunch of bets and I feel like we won most of them. I was going to go through with you and you just tell me blind. I'm going to throw the Super Bowl at you. 21st century Super Bowls. Did you win money or lose money? Just blind. Blink test. Blind? We could do this deaf if you want.st century Super Bowls. Did you win money or lose money? Just blind. Blink test. Blind? We could do this deaf if you want. I could just say lost for all of them.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Go ahead. Yeah. All right. First one. 2000. St. Louis beats Tennessee. Win or lose? Push. It was seven, right? I remember taking the spread there. Listen, I probably lost on a million props, but I pushed on the spread. Yeah. I don't have fond memories of that one. Next one was Baltimore Giants.
Starting point is 00:05:46 This is my greatest Super Bowl I've ever had. I won everything. Yeah, I think I listened to you on that and I won with this. The field touchdown. Brandon Stokely caught the first one. It's like one of the great gambling days of my life. Next one was Pats Rams. Another one where I cleaned up because the Pats were like getting 14.
Starting point is 00:06:04 That was not as good for you. Lost by a mile. And even worse, I told Jimmy to pick the Pats in an upset on Fox because it'll end up looking good. And when he was jumping for joy, we're in the stadium
Starting point is 00:06:16 and he's like, why are you so upset? And I was like, I just lost $1,000. He's like, why are you so upset? Could you loan me money right now? Tampa, Oakland, we watched together. We cleaned
Starting point is 00:06:27 up. New England, Carolina. I feel like I lost. The Pats won, but I think I lost money because they didn't cover, right? I think I lost too. That was the John Casey bowl and I feel like I right when I dressed as Casey for media day and I lost. So I feel like I got some karma thrown
Starting point is 00:06:43 my way. Yeah. So Sal goes to media day, pretends he's John so i feel like i got some karma thrown my way yeah so sal goes to media day pretends he's john casey and these dumb ass media people are going up and doing interviews then john casey gets mad and then they tie the game late john casey kicks the kickoff out of bounce and everyone blamed you my fault yeah blame me or praised me yeah your patriots really owe me i should get a ring actually for that one know what? You're a hero to Patriots Nation for that one. Thank you. The next one was New England-Philly
Starting point is 00:07:08 where New England wins and doesn't cover. Wait, do we have a name for when a team wins but does not cover? Yeah, I don't know. It never really happened that much, right?
Starting point is 00:07:18 Up until, maybe it's happened in the last few years. I can't keep track, but there was... It just happened with the Niners-Lions game. It's like, oh, I had that keep track, but there was... It just happened with the Niners-Lions game. It's like, oh, I had that game right,
Starting point is 00:07:27 but it didn't cover. It's just like ambivalence. It's like the ambivalent... Yeah. What is it? I haven't thought about it, but ambivalence, like giving up...
Starting point is 00:07:38 Lentz, giving it up for Lentz. The imbivable? Yeah. I don't have fond memories of that one either. Pittsburgh-Seattle. I won on that one. Yeah. I don't have fond memories of that one either. Pittsburgh, Seattle. I won on that one. I think I had Seattle.
Starting point is 00:07:49 You did. I think I got killed on that one. That was a rough one. Indy, Chicago, we all won because all of us, it was our one chance to bid against Rex Grossman. That was great. Right. Giants 17, Pats 14, February 3rd, 2008. I lost in every aspect of gambling life
Starting point is 00:08:06 it was one of the worst sporting events of my life I was there with my dad for his 60th birthday but you did you bet on the Giants in that one? I lost both those Patriots Giants games I thought the Patriots were much better I like the Giants don't belong here the Giants beat my Cowboys
Starting point is 00:08:21 that was a great Cowboys team too and yeah that was despicable by your team. I also couldn't root for either of those teams. It was rough. I think Giants' money line with the under was at least like 11-1 or 12-1. Like anybody who did those before they kind of figured out
Starting point is 00:08:38 to maybe adjust the under with the team that was obviously if they won, it was going to go under. Pittsburgh, Arizona, we watched together. This is fondly remembered by us as when you created the Gary Russell prop. That's right. We'll get to that later. Pittsburgh won, and I think we won money on this. I think we had the Steelers. I have fond memories of this one.
Starting point is 00:08:54 Yeah, you look back at that. It's a miracle that we won that, even if we had Steelers' money line, which I think we had. Packers, Steelers. Did you go to this with me? This was in Dallas and it there was like a sleet storm and nobody showed up and I was sitting
Starting point is 00:09:09 50 yard line but Pittsburgh I didn't go to that I think I had Pittsburgh in that one I had Pittsburgh also yeah Giants beat the Pats
Starting point is 00:09:16 I lost you lost me too Baltimore San Francisco in New Orleans the blackout bowl I was at this game
Starting point is 00:09:24 and I think I had San Francisco and they had first and goal in the four. You had to shoot a bit after. I think we lost on this one. I left. I definitely lost on this one, but the bit was to console fans from the losing team immediately
Starting point is 00:09:40 as they walked out of the stadium. So I walked out with producer Dave Jacoby. It's like, hey, we got to go. We can't watch the ending of this. Otherwise, you're not going to be there. I was like, shit, he's right. And then I honestly didn't know who won the game because it wasn't like we had phones
Starting point is 00:09:55 with the capability of streaming or anything there at that point. So the first 50 fans that walked out, I had no idea who was happy and who wasn't. So yeah, that was a weird one. I lost. And then you found out you lost money and you consoled yourself. Yeah. That's a big hug around my fat torso. Yeah. Seattle 43, Denver 8 was a big one for me. Terrible Super Bowl, but I enjoyed that one.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Pats 28, Seattle 24, won money on that. Denver 24, Carolina 10. I feel like we had Denver in this because of their defense. We watched that together. Yeah, we did. Okay, those were good years. Kornheiser watched that with us, right? Yeah. Pats, Falcons, 34-28. This was an absolute gold mine.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Pats win, everything over, every Brady prop. It was just a wonderful everything. I watched that with Nephew Kyle. I watched that with nephew Kyle. I watched that with my son, Ben, my wife, my daughter. We changed seats at halftime. We don't get credit for what happened. But I was terrible. I was terrible. I'm sorry. Just 28-3, obviously. I thought I was smart. I bought the Falcons to plus three and a half. So even with that comeback, I'm like, okay, let the Patriots win by three in overtime.
Starting point is 00:11:06 No, not a chance. I think we did a podcast that night and you were like semi-comatose. It was one of your sadder performances.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Well, it came back and bit me next year with Philadelphia 41, New England 33. Yeah. Pats beat the Rams 13-3. I won on this one.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Fond memories. Kansas City 31, San Francisco-3. I won on this one. Fond memories. Kansas City 31, San Francisco 20. Lost. Jimmy Garoppolo. Sales it. I lost that too. Yep. Up 10-4.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Tampa 31, Kansas City 9. I won on that one. How'd you do on that one? I lost on that. I had my homes there. I was anti-Brady for that one. Rams 23, Cincy 20. I think I had Rams money line, but the big one was Cooper Cup.
Starting point is 00:11:50 All the props with him. But the one that was the murder was the Odell Beckham over, because remember he hurt his knee. Right. That's right. Yeah, I had Moneyline too. We were at that game. That was obviously here.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Yeah. And then the last one, Kansas City, Philly last year, I kind of got wiped in that one. So I'm going to say I'm like, I feel like I'm slightly up for the century. So now that we just recapped this, are you slightly up, medium or slightly down? What would you say? Is this the question we ask St. Peter when we get to the pearly gates? Like, hey, am I up or down for the century? It might be one of my first three questions. Hey, can you give a running tally up here?
Starting point is 00:12:28 You know, it's a weird thing because I'm down because I'm down in the dumps. I'm always like, even if you win, it's a double-edged sword because I can't be too excited because there's no football afterwards. So I feel like I'm down. Well, we didn't have football this weekend. I know you bet on Pro Bowl stuff. I know you did stupid bets. What'd you do? Tell us. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:12:45 No, even worse. I did English Premier games at six in the morning. I'm waking the family up screaming. So no, I stayed away from the Pro Bowl. I'm proud of myself in that regard. You did nothing? Like literally you didn't do leg and over? Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:59 I really didn't do it. It's a flag football game. It's not even a real thing. It's weird. The funny thing is you don't even like soccer. I know. I know. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:13:09 You literally don't. I'm paying for Peacock. I'm watching it. God damn it. Three kids. I don't think any of them played soccer for more than a year. I got time. They'll pick it up in their 30s.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Well, we've had a week to stare at this Super Bowl with the Chiefs and the Niners. And when we did guess the lines last week, I think I guessed one and a half. It bounced around. It was one and a half, two. Now it's two and a half as we tape this on a Sunday night. Where does it go?
Starting point is 00:13:42 Where does it land? Where does it end? Well, you're going to give me the title because you changed your guess to Tic Tac, one and a half, and I had two. So now it's two and a half. Yeah, I don't think it'll go to three, but just from casual people you talk to, you've been on the road for a week now. Everyone's asking who you're picking and every bonehead is like, I don't know, I'm taking the Chiefs, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:06 And so is the money that sharp that it could turn to Niners minus three? And is that even the right side anyway? I don't know. I think it's getting too rich. And we even did this. I'm guilty of it. The podcast we did last Sunday night. Never betting against Mahomes again.
Starting point is 00:14:23 The more I thought about that game over the next two days as I'm flying around and walking around trying to get my steps in and just thinking about how did I go wrong? How did I get both games wrong? Because I really like my picks. I'm looking at it and I'm like, the Chiefs didn't score in the second half. They scored
Starting point is 00:14:39 17 points. Baltimore was the right pick. They fucking sucked. I swore on FanDuel TV. Sorry, FanDuel, you have to bleep me. They stunk. Even if you go, the Zay Flowers reach over and they're throwing a triple coverage. You just get changed the outcome of those two plays and maybe they win. But I don't feel like the Ravens were the wrong pick. But what I will say, what I have thought about over and over again, I'm not the first person to make this point. It does feel like Mahomes is at this level now
Starting point is 00:15:12 where he psychs the other team out or he psychs the other QB out or there's some sort of, especially when he gets a lead and the other team just completely panics and changes their identity. The podcast we did a week ago, we were like, what happened to the Ravens? Why'd they panic? What happened to Lamar? Why didn't they run the ball? And it's like, there's something about him. And Brady, I think,
Starting point is 00:15:32 had this too, where you're just like, and you get discombobulated. And I'm sure they must be watching that tape now and they must be like punching themselves in the face. Yeah. Yeah. I think there is an element of a grownup playing, you know, one-on-one basketball with his six year old son. Like, all right, I'll let you shoot on me and I'll let you score or whatever. But when push comes to shove, I'm going to hit Valdez Scantling on a play that's going to be everyone else's best play of the year. But it's just like Mahomes is 50th best.
Starting point is 00:16:04 So I think we're probably waiting on giving our picks, right? We're going to get a whole bunch of props today. But one way I'm looking at it is which units surprised you the most from these two teams? I can't believe how good the Chiefs defense is. I think they've allowed three points in the fourth quarter for all three playoff games combined. And I can't believe how weak the Niners defense is. So those are my two surprises.
Starting point is 00:16:27 That's kind of how I'm going to start to analyze it, I think, from there. Yeah, was Hufanga this good? That their whole defense collapsed? I was looking... I'm leaning toward the Chiefs, and it might change by the time we get to Thursday, but I was looking at the San Francisco defensive stats. Just for just for Detroit green Bay and the Baltimore game near the end of
Starting point is 00:16:49 the year, you know, Detroit had 28 first downs and 442 yards. They ran 29 for one 82. Yeah. And they blew a couple of fourth downs. They had a fumble in their own territory. You know, it's, it, they moved the ball the whole game and they, you know, that's game. That was one of the worst losses we've seen in a while where your coach screwed stuff up. Your players made bad plays at the dumbest times. You lost an interception that hit somebody in the helmet, bounced in the air for a 50-yarder. Green Bay the week before, 330, 21st downs. They ran for 28 for 136. And then Baltimore near the end of the season, 343, 23 first downs. They ran 26 for 102.
Starting point is 00:17:33 And the Chiefs feel like they're in the proximity of those offenses. Maybe they're not as explosive as Detroit, but they're not going to be worse than those offenses, right? And what they're not going to do is they're not going to abandon what's working, right? So you said Aaron Jones was running all over the 49ers, as was the Montgomery-Gibbs combo was giving them a fit. They looked faster than the Niners' defense. I think Andy Reid, plus the whole thing when he has two weeks to prepare,
Starting point is 00:18:03 all that stuff stuff throw that aside but yeah I don't think they're going to screw that part of it up Joe House I don't know do you know him he's does some stuff yeah good eater in his day yeah he uh he put his foot in the sand of San Francisco would not be the fourth best team in the AFC wow Was one of his takes on East Coast bias on Thursday, which San Francisco is pretty explosive at least. You got to give it to their offense. But I keep playing this game out of my head.
Starting point is 00:18:34 You saw what Kansas City did last week where that first hour, we talked about it last week on the pod. They just threw the kitchen sink at San Francisco. Pacheco had 14 carries. Kelsey had nine catches. Rice had six catches. They ran all their best plays for like an hour and 10 minutes,
Starting point is 00:18:49 and then they kind of held on. On the flip side, Purdy really takes a while to get going. I was looking at some of his splits and stuff, and you can see it. If it goes first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter, he gets better as the game goes along. By the fourth quarter, he's 12.2 yards per pass. The first quarter, he's like eight and it takes him a while. And one of the things I was thinking about was the Super Bowl, which we always talk about how disjointed it is. And the pregame's
Starting point is 00:19:23 forever and it's hard to get it on the field. You're on the field and it's just, everything feels so long. Then you have the first half and then you have this 40-minute halftime and then you go again.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I think it's a real disadvantage for a first-time quarterback. So the combo of Casey starting fast and then Purdy starting slow, that, I keep thinking about that in my head, right? Yeah, it's not even starting.
Starting point is 00:19:44 I mean, definitely starting slow, but he plays a different game, doesn't he? In the first half or first quarter and a half, he will let the pocket crumble around him. He doesn't take off. He had like three 15-yard plus runs. They were all in the second half. What are you doing? Why are you letting this? Why aren't you stepping up in the pocket? He did that against Green Bay. He did that against Detroit. It's going to be tough if he does that against Kansas City. I feel like he'll go down a lot if that's,
Starting point is 00:20:11 and combined with the butterflies and everything else for a first-time quarterback. We're going to take a break and then we're going to talk about narratives and we're going to do some props. Happy Super Bowl to all who celebrate from FanDuel America's number one sports book.
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Starting point is 00:21:21 bets that expire seven days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. So I'm going to throw narratives at you. The game is over on Sunday. You're stuffed because you ate too much. You're probably mad because you probably lost more than you won on all your collective bets. You're a little groggy. Probably had $11,000 on the chiefs who covered in one.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And then I lost 16 grand in props. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And now you're thinking about us doing the pod that night. What's the lead of the pod. Let's talk about the possibilities that the one would be if it was an incredible game and we start,
Starting point is 00:22:01 Oh my God, that game, we do that thing. The second I think would be my homes. All right. This is, this is three. Now this is, you know, this is, this is now officially on and all day. We go that route. Then there's a Brock Purdy going that way, or it's like Brock Purdy, unbelievable. Mr. Irrelevant. How did he do this? Nobody thought all the money was in the chiefs. The line dropped to one. What other narratives could you see leading the podcast a week from now?
Starting point is 00:22:30 You're saying positive, right? Because this would be a great win for us. Yeah, because I have to say one of my New Year's resolutions was to try to analyze these games from a positive perspective. And it's not easy to do, right? You want to go after how did the Lions blow that? Dan Campbell sucks. That's your first thing. But I think those are all good. Shanahan got the monkey off his back. That'll be a big thing, right? What if there was a Kelsey MVP, Taylor Swift, Grammys tonight announced her new album. I think
Starting point is 00:23:02 it's called Dead Poets Society. I didn't get the title. Sounds right. Whatever it was. But Kelsey wins the MVP. He kisses Taylor Swift. Yeah. Oh my God. We're going to Disney World.
Starting point is 00:23:15 And half of the nation just gets completely pissed off and we're close to a civil war after that. They go into the blue tent. They head into the blue tent. A camera opens it up, catches them nude. We have to reproduce. We have to create the most special baby America has ever had.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Super baby. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's... Honestly, no matter what, that's going to be it, right? Taylor was good for this team, or the league fixed it so that the Chiefs won, or yeah, screw you conspiracy theorists. The Niners won by 10, yeah, screw you, conspiracy theorists.
Starting point is 00:23:46 The Niners won by 10. So what are you talking about, right? I think we have to leave that. I'm glad we talked this out because you're right. Either way, it's Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. Somehow it becomes the lead. Maybe not on our podcast, but just in general. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:02 We're going to do some props. This is your favorite. I would say, I don't know, how many days have you been immersed in props now at this point? Like three or four? It's a lot. And yeah, there's only been a few instances where there's been one week between the championship games and the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:24:17 but I almost think it's almost too long to study for a final exam. I mean, they did a great job, Vandal, with these and they're like, no, no, there's more to come. Early, middle of the week. I was like, it's like when you come home from college and your mother makes corn fritters and then coconut shrimp.
Starting point is 00:24:33 It's like, stop, it's too much. It's too much fried food. I need to slow down. Yeah, I found almost everything I wanted to find. They don't have some of the cross sports stuff yet. Right, yeah. Because it's too hard with the NBA to even know who's playing.
Starting point is 00:24:47 But let's go. Let's just throw some favorite props out. You go first. All right. I'm going to throw a couple. Well, first of all, let's start at the beginning.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Tails. 30 tails, 27 heads in the 57 Super Bowls. Oh. It won last year, tails, right? Remember,
Starting point is 00:25:04 Sirianni was sobbing or maybe that was the anthem I'm not sure coin toss or the anthem but Simmons you and I established last week that we believe in momentum
Starting point is 00:25:12 and that's how Purdy was able to come back against the Lions I believe in the momentum of tails I'm going tails minus 104 why is minus 104
Starting point is 00:25:20 no I do minus 104 they just get a 4% vig either way. That's right. That's right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:27 You want to go alternate? How should we do? Can we go a little earlier than the coin toss? Oh, yeah. Sure. How much have you dove into Reba McIntyre and this over-under for the anthem? Right now, it's 86 seconds,
Starting point is 00:25:43 and that might go up, and there's some juice on that. It's minus 145, minus 150 range, which seems super fast because we've had overrunners for this that have gone over two minutes. One year we had our buddy, PR, Maven, Louis K was in the stadium and tipped us off and then was like, don't talk about this on the podcast. I might get in trouble. And then we immediately did. What was it?
Starting point is 00:26:09 Do you remember what anthem that was? I don't know. I think he was right. I think. No, he was right. He gave us a winner. So try to lock these down. But what you said, a minute 26.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah. A minute 26. So here's the last six. Yeah, I'm looking. Stapleton 205. A minute 26. So here's the last six. Yeah, I'm looking. Stapleton 205. That went under. Mickey Guyton 135 went over. Jasmine Sullivan and Eric Church 159 over.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Demi Lovato 155 under. Gladys Knight 147 over. And then Pink was two minutes under. So this is the shortest over under we've had in a while and i like the other stuff you could go back even more uh no one's hit 126 i'm not i'm looking at the list of in 30 years in 20 years 140 billy joel carrie underwood kelly clarkson 2012 was 134 that was the shortest so you. So you think Reba, I mean,
Starting point is 00:27:07 she could probably put some action on herself. Have we had a national anthem betting scandal yet? No, you're right. It's the easiest thing to rig. Yeah. I don't know. We got to find out what her plans are afterwards, why she's trying to get the hell out of there so quickly. Could she parlay herself with an adjusted,
Starting point is 00:27:21 118 adjusted, and she's just like, oh, say, can you see? She's flying through it. She's skipped six lines. All right. Oh, and speaking of a music thing, Usher, one of the props was him playing Yeah! as plus 200 as the favorite for opening song.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Just coming out with that one. I like the plus odds. You like for that one? Yeah. Okay. Because he comes out, he's like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:27:49 yeah. Everybody's like, yeah. Like dancers, things coming around. I like it. You can't disagree with, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:56 I mean, the opposite is no. It's a yeah kind of mood. There's one 14 to one odds Jim Nance mistakes usher for John Legend and is immediately canceled. So that, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Does Fandle have that? I'm not sure. That's not John Legend, Jim. That's not sure. Jim, you might want to take that back, Jim. Jim, you rushed to judgment there, Jim. All right. What do you got?
Starting point is 00:28:21 You're up. All right. I'm going to give you one, though. These odds aren't that great. I'm going to give you one, though. These odds aren't that great. I'm going to give you a two or three, but they hit for crying out loud. Any player to score two or more touchdowns, minus 165.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Again, I'm not doing you any favors with the VIG, but last year, Hertz had three. Higgins and Kup both had two the year before. Gronk the year before that had two. Damian Williams had two for the Chiefs the last time they beat the Niners. Gronk again year before that had two. Damian Williams had two for the Chiefs the last time they beat the Niners. Gronk again versus the Eagles. James White, two or more.
Starting point is 00:28:50 I mean, two or more touchdowns by a player in six of the last seven. And between Kelsey and CMC and Samuel, Kittle, and Ayuk, that's a lot of nice options. I just feel like quarterbacks don't want to rock the boat if something's working in this game where there's a bundle of nerves surrounding the participants. So I like that. That's a really good one, cuz. I like it. All right, I'm going to go big on this one.
Starting point is 00:29:14 With a big player here. Okay. Mahomes under 262.5 pass yards. Ooh. His last five weeks, 242, 215, 262, 24 pass yards. Ooh. His last five weeks, 242, 215, 262, 245, 235. Since week nine, three of 12 games over 262.
Starting point is 00:29:34 And I also think they've changed how they played. Like, I really think they want long drives, shorter games, move down the field. I think that Vegas game, when that game was so embarrassing and they had some sort of come to Jesus moment. And since then, they just want these seven minute drives. They want to shorten the game.
Starting point is 00:29:54 They just feel like they can win any 21-17, you know, 20-17, 24-20, like just anything in that range. And I don't see him airing it out what's the best case scenario for Kelsey probably what he did last week it's like 11 catches for 100 Rice had a really good game too and he still didn't get there so the only thing that worries me is McKinnon's back
Starting point is 00:30:18 which is a better third down pass guy for him and you could always get the one long pass that would F this up. But I just don't see him chucking around. I think they're going to have long drives. I love this. Every year his air yards go down and down and down.
Starting point is 00:30:34 And it doesn't mean he's worse. I love this. I'm going to put two stars by this because I think people will bet this over. Just be like, oh, Mahomes, I want to bet over. I want to bet Mahomes this and Mahomes that. But I think it comes in under, you're right. They play a different game. And you're really going to have to take them out of their game plan to hit 263 or more. I think they'd have to be
Starting point is 00:30:53 losing by 10 or more. I just don't see that in the second quarter. Otherwise, you're right. Just short stuff over the middle, screen plays, Mahomes doing what he's doing. Or the game goes to overtime and you get screwed that way. I went to the Knicks-Lakers game with Dave Jacoby, who loves using FanDuel. And he's all excited. He's like, LeBron, 25 points over. I have that with the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:31:17 And I'm like, I don't like it. Seems too easy. Everyone here who's better than that, the instinct is to always go over. I'm with you, Mahomes. This is 262.5 now. It's probably like 265 by game time. And at that point,
Starting point is 00:31:33 they're going to have to be behind by 10, 14 points for him to hit that. Yeah, they're not game planning for a 280-yard game for him. I agree with that. All right, I'll give you one. Again, I'll be done with these bad odds in a second. But shortest touchdown, under one and a half yards. I agree with that. Again, I'll be done with these bad odds in a second, but shortest
Starting point is 00:31:45 touchdown, under one and a half yards. I love this all year. They only seem to have it up for the Super Bowl. It's minus 175. It should be about minus 250. This is the Brother Bryce special. It's at four straight. It's at seven of the last eight. Same thinking
Starting point is 00:32:01 here. CMC, everything down low for the Chiefs. Shovel pass or Pacheco. Pacheco himself has five one-yard touchdown runs this year. And if you're a Chiefs, they're only going to win because of Taylor Swift conspiracists. You believe that there's going to be a phantom pass interference call in the end zone, which automatically puts the ball at the one. I think this should be like 250. It's 175. So I really like that one. The only thing that worries me, Mahomes just doesn't score touchdowns anymore.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Right. I don't think he has a touchdown this year. Is that possible? I think he has zero touchdowns because you know they're never going to have him do tush-push, any of that stuff, because he got hurt doing that play. They basically retired that play.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I'm looking this up as we talk. Yeah, zero touchdowns this year for him. And then Purdy isn't exactly a tush pusher either. So you're looking at Pacheco or McCaffrey, but the good news with this is any pass interference in the end zone, the ball gets put
Starting point is 00:33:01 on the one. And we've seen Pacheco and McCaffrey can go in. How do you say it? People say, and I say Pacheco wrong. You say Pacheco? Oh, that's Pacheco. Yeah, you say it right. I'm being told I say it wrong. What do I say? Pacheco. I think I say A, like A-Y.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Yeah, Pacheco. You're making it sound like Sicilian. Pacheco. Pacheco. What do you got? Speaking of quarterbacks and running stuff, Brock Purdy, over three and a half rushing attempts,
Starting point is 00:33:35 plus 124 on FanDuel. And maybe people have bet that since we're talking about this. In the playoffs, he had five carries. He had six carries. During the season, in the Cincy game, he had six. Tampa, he had four.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Minnesota, he had five. In general, against a good defense where they're pushing the pocket, and he had, that was one of the keys to that Lions game was his ability to move around. I think he's going to be able to do this against the Chiefs. We've seen quarterbacks with their legs, beat them for first downs. And I just think he's going to run the ball four times. So I was surprised that was plus 124. I would have thought that would have been like minus 150. I'm going to put two stars by it and
Starting point is 00:34:17 I'll make you feel slightly better. I think this is a nice hedge if you like the Chiefs because a kneel down counts as a carry. So if he takes three knees, you're half away right there. You know what I forgot when I was researching this? That Mahomes, he had hit the over and the rushing. Oh, yeah. And they were running the clock out at the end. He lost 16 yards on three carries trying to run out the clock.
Starting point is 00:34:42 It was one of the great prop losses. Our friend Nick Santora had that and was devastated. I watched the game with him and he lost on that because of that. And he fled the state. He has not come back, actually. Moved to Pennsylvania. He was supposed to make
Starting point is 00:34:56 his seventh action show for Netflix. That's right. That's it. He's like, no, I can't do it. Jason Statham's like, wait, I thought we were shooting on Monday. What do you have for your next one? All right, how about this?
Starting point is 00:35:08 First touchdown jersey. I love these. I just love it all. First touchdown jersey number over 19 and a half. So Debo's the cutoff. I like over. You get Kelsey. You get McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:35:20 You get Kittle. You get Rice. You get most of the receivers. Over 19 and a half. You go under. You get the quarterbacks. You get Ayuk. And you get Kittle, you get Rice, you get most of the receivers. Over 19 and a half. You go under, you get the quarterbacks, you get Ayuk, and you get Debo. Did I miss somebody? And Pacheco, however you say it.
Starting point is 00:35:32 You like these bets where I actually have to do work to follow what's happening with the bet. I've watched huge football games with you. You can barely concentrate on anything once the game's going. So you're going to be calculating this as it's happening? I'm thinking of bringing my son Jack's math tutor in with me to watch the games, Super Bowl Sunday, because I just have too much or an accountant or something.
Starting point is 00:35:59 All right, let's take a break. I have my favorite prop coming up next. This episode is brought to you by my old friend, Miller Lite. I've been a big fan of Miller Lite, man, since college days when I was allowed to have beer. I think nephew Kyle is a fan too. Miller Lite keeps it simple for us. Undebatable quality, great taste. Picture this, it's game day, All the gang's here. You're tailgating outside the stadium. It's a great time for beer. Or how about when you're standing at the grill and the smell of sizzling burgers is in the air? Moments like that. Or when you want a light beer that tastes like beer, that's delicious. You don't want to load up on those heavier beers and then you only have two of them.
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Starting point is 00:37:05 So why not grab some Miller Lights today? Your game time tastes like Miller time. Must be legal drinking age. All right, Sal, this is it. My favorite prop. You're going to do Gary Russell later. I'm doing mine now. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:21 This might be a little bit on Gary Russell's corner. And if it is, I apologize. That wasn't my intention. I just really like this bet. First TD of the game. Noah Gray. Okay. 43 to one.
Starting point is 00:37:37 He caught two short touchdowns in 2023. He had 28 catches for 305 for the year. He has 16 first down catches. And in general, when the Chiefs get close to the, 23. He had 28 catches for 305 for the year. He's 16 first down catches. And in general, when the chiefs get close to the, again, my homes, isn't going to run because they,
Starting point is 00:37:51 they just don't. That plays out. My home's doing anything, running into the line, push, push, push anything. And then it's like,
Starting point is 00:37:59 well, they're going to, he'll throw it to Kelsey. Then now the Noah gray, it's like the super bowl was like when they love to have the cute play where it's like, Oh, you thought I was going to Kelsey then. Now, the Noah Gray, it's like the Super Bowl was like when they love to have the cute play where it's like,
Starting point is 00:38:07 oh, you thought I was going to do this? We did this instead. And all of a sudden, Noah Gray gets the first TD and everybody's like, who the fuck is that? Right. 43 to one, Sal.
Starting point is 00:38:17 That's a large number and it's the perfect name to piss everybody off. It's like, oh man. Just complete, just hostility immediately. Fandle rakes in the eye. Oh, Kelsey. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:38:30 I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. Alright. I don't hate that. That's too high. 43 to 1. That's too high. I have let's see. Okay. Alright. Let's do Gatorade. Why not? Yellow, lime, green, plus 380. Purple is favored
Starting point is 00:38:47 at plus 225. Yellow, green is three to one. Yeah, I'm getting it at three to one. Everyone bet big on purple last time these teams played because of Kobe. In 57, it was purple. There were two blues before that. Yellow hit with Doug Peterson and the Eagles. I think yellow is due. Also, if drunk Jason Kelsey urinates in the bucket, you automatically get the win for yellow. So that's what I'm going with. So what would be the Vegas ties to the color?
Starting point is 00:39:18 Oh, right. Why didn't I even think of that? Yeah. I don't even know what you would associate from a color standpoint in Vegas. That logo that was supposed to trip everyone up for Ravens Niners was purple a little bit, right? Purple and red. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:39:34 I don't know. I'm just saying green right there. I love that you bet on. So for my next one, I couldn't find this yet, and maybe it's not out, but is there a Jake Moody will miss a field goal prop? I didn't see that either. I was looking for that. There will be. I'd like to go blind. Just blind.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Blind. I don't know the odds yet. Blind on a parlay of Jake Moody misses a field goal and it's probably a little longer, but it goes over the upright and it seems like he missed it, but we're not positive. Parlayed with Adam Corolla and babbling about how the upright should be
Starting point is 00:40:14 taller for the next 25 minutes to a bunch of people who have to move to different sections to get away from him, even though he's probably hosting the party. So I have the parlay. Well, I don't, I can't calculate those odds yet, but I think that Jake Moody misses
Starting point is 00:40:26 Corolla for 12, 13 minutes. I love it. Straight. 12, 13 podcast straight. Corolla wouldn't be happy. If the uprights went through the moon, through the surface of the moon, it's not enough for him.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I did find odds. I found odds for the miss what do you think they are what is it i'm gonna say plus 120 oh you're gonna love this plus 210 oh my god that guy he's not ready that's that's one of my favorite ones but you lose if there's no attempt that that's the only thing so he has to actually, he actually has to miss. I think that guy, that is one of the Achilles heels of this Niners team. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:09 I don't trust, he's one of those, when he comes out, I never think he's making it. So that would be a fun one. Plus 210. Yeah. That's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:41:15 That's good. All right, I'm writing it down. All right. What do you got? Plus 210. I also, off of the Gatorade, color of Brock Purdy's mom's minivan
Starting point is 00:41:25 when she picks him up after the game. Red 2-1, green 4-1, clear 9-1. I don't know why you call it clear. It's even in there. No, they made clear minivans. Isn't that strange? Why is it? Take me through this.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Will the two-minute warning come at exactly two minutes? The no is plus 310. So that would be they're running a play that goes over the 2 minute and the clock stops at 158 157 versus counting the clock down and the 2 minute warning
Starting point is 00:41:54 and then it just stops at 2 minutes right okay so let me here's the thing it's one of those plays where 49ers have it like at their own 45
Starting point is 00:42:01 and they know they could they have no timeouts but they know they could, they have no timeouts, but they know they could throw here because the clock is going to stop, right? And so it's at 203, and they take it to 150. I don't know. I just thought that was too high for the no.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I'm probably off. Anyway. It does seem high. Yeah. Does that mean I'm up? Yeah, go ahead. Yep. All right.
Starting point is 00:42:23 I rode an Amtrak Accela today from New York City to Boston. I had a great time. It was great to fly by Stanford and New Haven and New London and Providence. Seeing the sights really brought me back to my childhood. One of the things I did on this train ride was try to figure out the longest reception. And the instinct is to take like Ayuk. He's the favorite. And his big receptions this year were 42, 76, 51. And then he had a 51-yarder in the playoffs that bounced off a guy's face.
Starting point is 00:42:59 You might say Rice. Rice has had a couple long ones over the years, over the months. But the one I settled on with great odds, and I love this for so many different reasons, is of long ass ones that he became like, uh, you know, the enemy of the, of chiefs fans. Right. If we're talking redemption, redemption stories, and just like, Oh, think of all that. If a chiefs win, what are, what are some of the things that'll happen? And he's already made a couple of big plays in the playoffs, but Valdez Scantling with like a 60 yarder or a 65 yarder or 50 yarder. I just like the odds.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I think he has as good of a chance as IU to bust one. And the chiefs aren't giving up long. They didn't do it against Buffalo and they didn't do it against Baltimore, except for that Wednesday flowers play. So did he have the longest? Did he have the longest last game his was 32 like you said
Starting point is 00:44:08 I think somebody on Baltimore beat him yeah Flowers at a 54 yeah that's right yeah I think so I think he's kind of like the guy who's like he's the wrestler that's hiding under the ring during the Royal Rumble and then he comes out he's like wait a minute I didn't know you were still
Starting point is 00:44:24 in there much like he did against the Ravens like, wait a minute. I didn't know you were still in there. Much like he did against the Ravens. It was a long one, but it wasn't the longest. I like that. I think that's too high. And they will throw to him. The script would have him catch one. One other one for this one that I thought was intriguing
Starting point is 00:44:35 was McCaffrey was 18-1. His longest this year, 35, 33, and 41 during the season. Then he had a 28-yard in the playoffs. But I was thinking some 71-yard wheel route where it's just like, oh, and he's in space and all of a sudden he's just gone. He's busted some big plays, but usually
Starting point is 00:44:53 they're runs. What were those odds? 18-1. It just seemed too high. There's too many bets. We should warn people that these aren't going to all win, right? Yeah. It's good to take some unders, too.
Starting point is 00:45:08 All right, well, I'll throw one at you. Purdy interception, for all the reasons you brought up at the top of the podcast, right? It's only minus 115. He's had seven in the last eight games. Somehow, none versus the Packers a few weeks ago, even though he could have like three or four. Nerves could easily set in, right? I also like Carl Laftis. Wait, can you hold on on that one?
Starting point is 00:45:30 Yeah, go ahead. No, but this is a similar thing to it. But I had it down as well. He had 11 picks this season. Right. But I watched a lot of Niners this year. At least seven, eight drop picks for him. Only two had more dropped picks this season of games that I watched.
Starting point is 00:45:47 So I'm with you. There's another bet where it's just Chiefs get the first interception is minus 110. I don't know why we wouldn't bet that. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one, too. I'm just going to add to that. These guys are linemen, but defensive linemen.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Carl Laftis, 100-1. Chris Jones, 70-1 to get an interception. They don't accumulate a lot of picks, but can't you see it batted up at the line of scrimmage, especially if he's going to let the pocket collapse like he did in the first half in the last two games. Or the screen pass where
Starting point is 00:46:17 somebody jumps off. Right. Yep. Exactly. All right. Here's another one I really like. The Chiefs will have the longest kick return is minus 160. And the reason for this one is Butker, the Chiefs kicker, is pretty touchback reliant. He just boots in the end zone and you don't return it. Whereas Moody, especially if he loses confidence,
Starting point is 00:46:44 misses a field goal, doesn't hit one, I just think the Chiefs will have more chances to have kick returns. So that's minus 160. I don't love the odds, but I like the spot. I like that a lot. I have something later to support that. I'll say this though. I know the odds suck for this, but Fendle has it at minus 330. Other books have it at minus 500. The kickoff, the opening kickoff, is a touchback. I like that. The player takes a knee.
Starting point is 00:47:10 The Chiefs have 83%, to your point, touchbacks this year for Butker. The league average is 65. Two Super Bowls in a row, there's been a touchback in the opening kick. All the Super Bowl touchbacks in the opening kick occurred in the dome. I think this is the same story,
Starting point is 00:47:24 but it's high. It's 330. Your way to do it is better. I like it. You're up. Okay. All right. These squares. Let's talk about these squares. You can go on FanDuel. This is perhaps the greatest invention since wireless that you could bet the 7-3
Starting point is 00:47:40 or the 3-3. You don't have to be stuck with these pools with the 2-5 or whatever shit. The 9-8. Yeah, the 9-8. You're't have to be stuck with these pools with the 2-5 or whatever shit. The 9-8. Yeah, the 9-8. You're done, right? And not to mention it's a pain collecting money. You and I have been to Super Bowl parties. You got these dead beats. It sucks.
Starting point is 00:47:55 The anthem's about to end and you're freaking out because only 70 boxes are filled. And it ends up being me, you, Daniel, and Jimmy buying every box left. So grab your zero zeros, grab your three zeros. In this case, I like 7-3 for both sides. And this is cumulative. You get plus 550 and plus 600
Starting point is 00:48:14 and it goes throughout the game, throughout the, you know, not just the first quarter, not just the game. You get every quarter at 7-3, both sides, if you take them, one's 550 and one's 600. That's a great one. Just in general. Squares are terrific.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Yeah. If you had told us 20 years ago that we would just be able to bet on our own personal squares on a website. Yeah. And that this would have been a thing that would have worked. Or in an app. We didn't know what apps were in 2003, but great stuff. Yeah. KC to beat San Francisco in overtime
Starting point is 00:48:48 is 18-1. KC to win the first half and the game is plus 190. And FanDuel allows you to throw that in same-game parlays and stuff. But my thing is, if KC's going to win the game, it's going to look like that
Starting point is 00:49:06 Ravens game, and they're going to be putting all of the silverware into the sink in that first half the way they did, and try to put Purdy on his heels, and basically the same premise of what they did to Lamar. Oh, you're going against Patrick Mahomes. Now you're down
Starting point is 00:49:21 seven, and we have the ball to start the second half. You just know how it goes. But anyway, KC to win the first half of the game. I think you're right. That's the more logical way to approach it. I feel like I owe this bet something because it's hit for me so many times. Niners first half, KC game is eight to one.
Starting point is 00:49:39 KC first half, Niners game is seven to one. They did it last week, Kansas, San Francisco. So it's been a crazy year, but I think you're away just that it keeps going. 17 to one. This is interesting that the confetti that falls from Allegiant stadium following the game is made from shredded call girl pamphlets. I didn't even think that was allowed,
Starting point is 00:50:00 but you think they'd be on top of that. All right. Now here's a good one. Kelsey, Kelsey catches every target, plus 950. I saw that one. He almost did this
Starting point is 00:50:12 last week, right? He did do it last week. He was 11 for 11. He did it earlier in the year. He's done it twice this year, and fewer than 19 games, so plus 950 is good. He might just be one of those things where it was just sure handed, wide open,
Starting point is 00:50:27 short routes. And God forbid, if he catches one pass and goes out with an injury, you win, you win that way too. That's pretty good. I looked at that hard. I kept thinking of Fred Warner,
Starting point is 00:50:41 like getting his hand in on one of them though. Like he goes eight for eight. And then Fred Warner, like, his hand in on one of them though. Like he goes eight for eight and then Fred Warner, like, Oh, Fred Warner, you killed us. No successful fourth down conversion in the game. Oh,
Starting point is 00:50:54 plus 300. Did some recon on this. I think as I was passing through new London, I think I was looking this stuff up. Um, Casey for the season, only 10 for
Starting point is 00:51:06 they've had 20 total. They've made 10. They're 50% which is weird. That's basically like one a game. There's some teams that are like in the 50s. They're two out of three in the playoffs. San Francisco for the season 13 total. They hit seven.
Starting point is 00:51:24 The playoffs are 0 for 1. Both of these teams are really conservative and I don't really fully understand it. Yeah. Because you would think
Starting point is 00:51:32 like they're both that both have Kansas City as an explosive quarterback. The Niners have an explosive offense. I just first I was really surprised by that.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Anyway, plus 300 where it seems like that should be even odds. I like that, and you're right. I think the Parley kid went over that against all odds. He was shocked at how few fourth down conversions the Niners had this year. The one thing I'll say is I think I like that bet better two weeks ago or three weeks ago, but they're explosive, the offense,
Starting point is 00:52:00 but they have a kicker that's exploding too. His mind is exploding, so they might go for it on fourth and three where they normally wouldn't. What do you got? This is dumb, but exact points scored for Kansas City. 17 is 10 to 1. That hit four times this year.
Starting point is 00:52:18 27 is 12 to 1. That hit three times this year. Again, it's another way of doing squares and stuff. We're playing craps here, right? We're just throwing a million things in the middle, bet the yo, bet everything, but it kind of is the last game, so we got to do it.
Starting point is 00:52:35 We're going to take a break and we'll do MVP and we'll unveil the Gary Russell pick for 2024 Super Bowl 58, named after a number that we could only come up with, Jack Lambert, as famous number 58. That's it. That's next.
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Starting point is 00:54:11 and going to narratives and just, what's the Hollywood ending here? Is Kelsey winning the MVP and kissing Taylor Swift at the end of the game? I don't think he's looked that good, especially in the second half of the season. But in the playoffs, there's been a little bit of a resurgence.
Starting point is 00:54:28 And I thought he was lights out last week against Baltimore. So Cup won the MVP, Julian Edelman won it, and Santonio Holmes won it. Those were the last three receivers slash tight end. Kelsey's really a receiver that have won in the last 15 years. But the 17-1, I was really surprised the odds were that high.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Well, we gave this out last week. If Mahomes isn't going to win it, Kelsey's going to win it. And if you think the Chiefs are going to win, it's either Mahomes or Kelsey. So why is Kelsey 17-1? He was 23-1 last week when we liked it. And now I think we moved the line on people. I apologize for that. It still seems too high.
Starting point is 00:55:06 I'm with you. Alright, so I'm trying to think. If Mahomes has four touchdowns and Kelsey has two of them, who do you think they give it to? I guess it depends which ones are important towards the game. What if it's a
Starting point is 00:55:21 21-20, 21-17, 23-17 type game? Kelsey has the only two touchdown catches. Kelsey has eight first down catches. He finishes 10 for 132. Nobody else in the Chiefs has more than 40 yards receiving. Maybe Mahomes throws a pick. There's a path.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Let me ask you this. The fact that Mahomes won the two times that they were Super Bowl champs, does that make you think, all right, that's a little fatigued? He doesn't have to be a three-time winner? Mahomes is fatigued. Or, I mean, I'm trying to look. I'm looking at his numbers. He had 182 yards passing last year and won it.
Starting point is 00:56:02 He did have three touchdowns. It's just like if he has a typical Mahomes game, it's going to be 250 yards, two touchdowns, just this version of Mahomes we're watching now, and then he'll get five for 42 rushing yards, something like that. There's one more
Starting point is 00:56:17 Kelsey bet I really like. Let me do the MVP real quick because I have it. No, it's all right. Take the 17-1 for sure. That's a better number. But MVP other than quarterback is plus 200. So that's any other position.
Starting point is 00:56:33 The last 10, there's been six quarterbacks and four non-quarterbacks. So plus 200 is a decent number. If you look at the last decade, McCaffrey, Kelsey could burst out. Defense, which has happened fairly recently. Who knows? I like that number. Speaking of Kelsey, him to have the most receptions in the game is plus
Starting point is 00:56:53 170. I was looking at it. I think I was past maybe the Rhode Island border at this point. Kelsey had eight plus catches four times this season. Rice had eight plus catches four times this season. Rice had eight plus four times. Kittles had eight plus twice.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Ayuk's only had it once. And McCaffrey and Debo, zero times. Which made me think, Rice is plus 220 for most receptions. Kelsey's plus 170. You could almost bet both. And just say, you bet 100 on either, on both of them, you either win 70, 120, or you lose 200 if George Kittle ends up having the most catches, right? So I think it's
Starting point is 00:57:35 going to be Kelsey or Rice. And the Kelsey plus 170, I'm actually surprised that's not even odds. I think it's going to be even odds. I think it's going to get there. As we're talking this through, is Kelsey going to be the most bet on non-quarterback in Super Bowl history? I feel like we just talked about eight Kelsey bets. That all sounds great. Remember we had this two years
Starting point is 00:57:58 ago with Cooper Cup and I think just about all of them hit. They threw to him over and over and over again as the game went on. If you think the Chiefs are going to win, Kelsey's going to have to have a good game. There's no other path. But how many 13-year-olds are asking their dad
Starting point is 00:58:13 to put $20 on Kelsey to score first or Kelsey to win MVP? I don't think we've ever... The 13-year-old girls. I don't think we've ever had that before. I say 65 million. You're probably right. I might be wrong. You don't think we've ever had that before. You're probably right. I might be wrong.
Starting point is 00:58:27 You don't think this was happening for Brandon LaFell 10 years ago in the Patriots? We also have this segment in the country now that hates Kelsey and Taylor Swift and every time he gets a catch, screw that guy! He definitely has the most eyeballs on him of any
Starting point is 00:58:43 non-QB we've had in a long time. Right. Right. I mean, no non-QB Patriot ever ascended to these kind of visibility fame heights. Randy Moss, I don't even know if he got there. No. Jerry Wright. I mean, that was...
Starting point is 00:59:00 So, we have to really consider just the last 15 years or so. The last 25? It's like no Steeler, no Packer, no Cowboy. What? Oh, you have made the super last year. You're right. You're right. No, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Yeah, I mean, Manning wouldn't be a Steeler, like you said. Saints, Ravens, Seahawks. I don't even know. Terrell Davis? I'm not sure who's close. He's absolutely, outrageously, ridiculously famous. And you can make a case he's more famous than Mahomes right now. The Taylor thing is...
Starting point is 00:59:36 Anyway, we don't need to rehash it. Do you want to do Gary Russell or do you want to do same game parlays? I have a couple others. I have a two to one odd sometime this week. Dan Campbell spotted at a blackjack table splitting tens. I can see that. I think that's probably good money there. Splitting tens against an ace.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Yeah. 25 to 1 following the game. Brock Purdy holds up the Lombardi trophy and screams into the camera. Can you smell what the Brock is cooking? That would be interesting. That's all I got. It's all nonsense. I wish there was a way to bet on the CBS when they do the thing like Brock Purdy's journey for Mr. Irrelevant and they spend three days making that cartoon package where he's wearing a cowboy hat and riding a horse.
Starting point is 01:00:25 And he's riding next to Trey Lance's horse and then Trey Lance's horse falls off a cliff. He's spent like $50,000 on this stupid cartoon. On the graphics. And he has to narrate it. It's Brock Purdy. Look at him riding there, Tony. He's riding that gym.
Starting point is 01:00:42 He's riding the horse. And then someone at the end, they have the graphic, is buried in a Vegas desert by Tommy DeVito's agent. All right, before we do Gary Russell, here's my favorite same game parlay. Go ahead. Right now it is over 13 to 1 odds. Kansas City to win first half game.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Mahomes under 262.5, we discussed. Noah Gray over one and a half receptions and and Pacheco not Pacheco right Pacheco 70 plus yards
Starting point is 01:01:12 rushing and that is 13 plus 13 16 is it that high yeah I didn't hear anything
Starting point is 01:01:20 I didn't like oh man yeah so I'll do that again Casey to win first half game. Mahomes under 262.5. Noah Gray two catches.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Pacheco 70 plus rushing yards. All right. I don't have one. That sounds good. Well, you have the Gary Russell, which is way more important. Yes. Backstory. It's Super Bowl Steelers, whatever. Steelers and Cardinals.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Great Super Bowl. Really enjoyable. Yeah. And you did a prop. We had the podcast at that point, and you did a prop. And it was Gary Russell. What was it? For three yards?
Starting point is 01:01:57 Four yards? No, to not score a touchdown. Oh, to not score a touchdown. That's what it was. So this is their backup running back, right? It was fast. Fast. Willie Parker was their
Starting point is 01:02:07 starter, right? Yeah. I think that year. Yeah. So minus 150 to not score a touchdown, the backup. And this is, I think,
Starting point is 01:02:16 the first year I picked an obscure player to not do something. Minus 150. Not only did he score the first touchdown, he had two carries inside the three-yard line in that first drive or the first drive that they scored. It was like they listened to the pod and they just wanted
Starting point is 01:02:32 to mess with you. And then someone wrote in and said that months later that they were laughing when Gary Russell scored. And across the room, this guy heard a woman laugh and they got together. They had never met each other and they discussed it. And they the room, this guy heard a woman laugh and they got together. They had never met each other and they discussed it. And they're like, oh, do you listen to the Guest of the Lines pod? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those two ended up getting married based on the Gary Russell prop bet.
Starting point is 01:02:55 And we've never heard if they've... I think the woman is now dating... I don't know. I don't know. She's with Kanye. Is that who she's with? I'll have to look that up. Someone let't know. I don't know. I don't know who she's with. She's with Kanye? Is that who she's with? I'll have to look that up. Someone let us know.
Starting point is 01:03:06 But anyway, every year I try to pick an obscure name and top the Gary Russell moment. So as you were talking there at the end, I was looking up Gary Russell to see what happened to him. And there's apparently a boxer named Gary Russell. I know, I know. I got in that rabbit hole too. Of Featherweight, who held the title for like seven years. I don. I got in that rabbit hole too. Of Featherweight
Starting point is 01:03:25 who held the title for like seven years. I don't watch the Featherweights. So yeah, we probably should have put some Gary Russell's bet. Alright, here we go. It's time. You ready? SB58, the Gary Russell prop. Here we go. Okay. I really thought about this
Starting point is 01:03:42 because I think last year and maybe even two of the last three years, the name has been so obscure. They haven't even made the roster. They were inactive by Sunday and that sucked. And then everyone got mad at me and whatever. But this guy's making the roster. He's playing. He's actually a name that's like a um from samoa i think i met one with that right i went to a bunch of them um i really try to go obscure not this year richie james returns a punt or a kick for a touchdown 30 to 1 odds kansas city chiefs. He had a kick return for a touchdown as a member of the 49ers. So we'll hear all about that. I just see it. Second quarter, Simmons following a Jake Moody field goal that grazes the crossbar and goes in, much like you described.
Starting point is 01:04:37 San Francisco feeling good about themselves. Richie James, former mid-Tennessee State Blue Raider, takes the kickoff, 92 yards to pay Dirt. And that Dirt is going to pay well 30 to 1 buddy let's do this Gary Russell so is it Richie James it has to be a special teams TD
Starting point is 01:04:53 that's right punt or kick return I gotta say I bet on what your Gary Russell pick was going to be and I lost you did what'd you like what'd you have I thought it was going to be Blake the lost. You did? What'd you like? What'd you have? I thought it was going to be Blake Bell, the third string KC tight end. He fit your profile. I like that. I've been screwed with the tight
Starting point is 01:05:11 ends though. The third string tight ends usually get cut before game time. Richie James, he's doing it. Richie James. I like it. So you researched all his returns in the special teams over the years? He's done close.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Yeah, he's done it. And I just think it's going to be like a weird punting kickoff situation, moody, whatever. 30 to 1 is a good number. God bless you, Richie James. Where does this line end? Where are we at on a week from now? I think 2. I think 2. I think two.
Starting point is 01:05:45 I don't know why. I think Sharp Money will come in on two. I mean, they are giving it to us with the teaser, aren't they? We're going to get eight, eight and a half at this point. I think it goes to one and a half. One and a half. Yeah. So your big bet is going to be Casey and the over on a teaser.
Starting point is 01:06:02 No, my big bet is going to probably be Casey and the under. Really? Because the under goes all the way up to 53 and a half. If the working theory is that the Chiefs are either going to win or hang around, it'll be a slow-paced game. 53 and a half's a lot, man.
Starting point is 01:06:19 27-24 is a lot of scoring for these teams that take forever to get down. 54 is like 30 to 24 or, you know, 30, 27. Somebody, somebody's getting to 30 at 54.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Yeah. So like 28, 27 beats it, but it would, it would basically have to be 30. All right. We, uh,
Starting point is 01:06:42 we're all done. Are you, are you sad that we're done with Super Bowl props? We have more coming. The good news is Fando's going to just give us it's like at Christmas when you're done eating and then somebody's like, how about some pigs in the blanket? They don't stop. They don't stop. There's more gifts for us.
Starting point is 01:06:56 More and more coming. Yeah. I love it. I love it all. I'm going to be with the Ringer Wise guys in Vegas this week. We'll be on Radio Row on the Fando stage. We're doing Ringer Wise guys in Vegas this week will be on Radio Row on the FanDuel stage. We're doing Ringer Wise guys from there, doing Cousin Sal's winning weekend from there, interviewing a bunch of ex-athletes and current athletes. And I'm sharing a room at the Luxor with Harry.
Starting point is 01:07:17 I've really made it in this industry. Oh, my God. Yes. A 320-pound man snoring a mere feet away from me at the media hotel. I would hesitate at sharing an Uber with Harry. Much less a hotel room and a bathroom. It's at the Luxor, though. Come on. We're good.
Starting point is 01:07:36 That's tough. I had some media friends ask me about the Luxor. And it's like, didn't you used to make fun of the Luxor because they had cigarette burns on the blackjack tables? Yeah. Yeah. That's actually true. It's a dark place with burns on the table. Maybe they fixed some of it. The cigarettes have cigarette burns. That's how bad it is there. The ones that they give out. Good Lord.
Starting point is 01:07:57 That's it for our Super Bowl props though, but we're going to take a break and do a few more things here. Alright, we're going to do a little NBA, then some parent corner. We affected the Thibodeau line last week. It was like 95-1. Now it's 26-1 and dropping.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Although they did lose to the Lakers on Saturday. I actually went to the game. They didn't have Ananobi. They didn't have Quinn Grimes. Randall's out for a couple weeks, but the trade deadline's coming. They have four days contract to trade. I personally think they're going to get Malcolm Brogdon,
Starting point is 01:08:39 and they'll trade one of their picks they have, and they'll bring him in. They need one more scoring guard. The Lakers just basically double basically double team Brunson in the fourth quarter and stole the game from him but I still like Thibodeau even at 26 to 1 I still like it yeah I mean what so where do you
Starting point is 01:08:54 think so the question's always where does this team have to end up right what seed I think they get a two seed because now we have Embiid who doesn't look like he's going to come back this season Milwaukee you know they can't look like he's going to come back this season. Milwaukee, they can't decide who they are week to week. Miami can't get their shit together.
Starting point is 01:09:18 So it just feels like they could sneak out a two seed. If they get the two seed, watch out, man. I'm afraid of the Knicks. The other thing that really changed since we did this last week, and I'm not allowed to vote, but I love talking about it, is now that Embiid is no chance, Jokic suddenly is minus 150. How fast did that go? Where
Starting point is 01:09:35 did he start and where did he jump up to? Just from before the Embiid news, he was 390 or 4-1? Yeah. Right in there. And now he's favored your SGA not your pick but the fact that you gave it out at 10-1 and he's plus 230
Starting point is 01:09:54 is right behind him yeah because we always love talking about the value the only one that I was kind of staring at a little bit just from a value standpoint is just the plus 650 on Giannis because Giannis is like he's just putting crazy games and he's like a man possessed and now that they fixed their coach um could he just go on this super duper run and then Jokic you know cools off or maybe they don't
Starting point is 01:10:20 care the only thing with Denver is they all these teams are bunched together for the 1, 2, 3, 4, and I actually think they're going to have to care as the season goes along, so that helps the Jokic case. Why would you like Thibodeau but not Brunson, who I pointed out to you yesterday was tied with Tatum, odds-wise, and now is ahead. He's 55-1, Tatum's 75-1.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Just as a value, if you think they can get the two-seed, what's the difference in terms of how a voter will look at that? Because he's just not the best guard in the league. I love the Brunson thing. You could feel it. He is insanely popular. Jacoby was saying it was a little like that Isaiah Thomas Celtics year
Starting point is 01:10:59 when Isaiah Thomas was just awesome and the team was on his back and it didn't matter how you defended him. He was still getting points at the end of games. But I think that ceiling's like top four, top five. Him being a top five MVP, that would be amazing. If he finished fifth or fourth. If he got votes, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:20 I just don't see how, if it's him versus SGA, how does Brunson beat SGA? SGA is like 30 plus a game. They have the best record in the league or second best record in the league. Yeah, the team would have to go on a nosedive a little bit, but you don't see that.
Starting point is 01:11:35 No, I think with OKC, the Shayad's up plus 230 with the trade deadline coming up. That's a team that could have Clint Capella in like five days. They could, you know, they could, or whoever they could add a guy. I was so mad at your team the other night. So mad. I don't know if you, because we texted about it and I had three soccer games in and I just needed Celtics money line over the Lakers before they announced that Davis and LeBron were out. I was like, ah, I'm sitting pretty. How does that happen? How can people avoid that trap?
Starting point is 01:12:09 Because we both knew like, oh, this game's over. The Celtics, if they lose by fewer than 10, it'll be a miracle. I texted you guys, the wise guys text. The Lakers were up to plus 15. And I was like, this is ridiculous. I know what's going to happen in this game. The Celtics, they shot five free throws the whole game, jacked up threes, complete mail-in, coaches benching guys.
Starting point is 01:12:29 And then the other piece of it, which, you know, it's not nothing, is that those guys played really hard because LeBron wasn't playing. Like there was definitely some stuff there. I could feel it last night in that Knicks game. He doesn't seem happy. And we've seen him in this spot, you know, maybe eight of the last ten years where we get to January
Starting point is 01:12:50 or February and he's just not happy with his team. But can you imagine being on his team where, like imagine like with our Wise Guys show and I was just like, no man, we got to get this Wise Guys show going. If this show doesn't get better, Like, no, man, we got to get this wise guy show going. Got it.
Starting point is 01:13:06 If this show doesn't get better, hourglass emoji. Like, can you imagine the text threads? Like, you'd be like, what the fuck's wrong with it? Why isn't he just saying like, hey, great job, guys. Good show. Right. Yeah. I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:13:20 It's just such a weird way to lead. Is that what you honestly really think? I feel like it's telling. That I'm a little worried about it? Yeah. Hourglass. It's just a weird way to lead. Is that what you honestly really think? I feel like it's telling. That I'm a little worried about it? Yeah. It's just a weird way to lead and manage. You're the best guy in the team. Nobody's going to say shit back to him.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Everybody's always available. It's never his fault. Everyone's available for trade. I don't know, man. Reeves has been playing pretty well. Russell's been playing pretty well lately. I don't know what kind of team he expects to have. I think LeBron, his plan
Starting point is 01:13:48 has changed considerably from a year ago, from six months ago, from three months ago. Honestly, that whole, I'm playing with Bronny. I saw Bronny play. I went to USC Oregon this week. I'm no expert evaluator, but it would be a stretch, I think,
Starting point is 01:14:04 at this point. I know he's young. He's not in the mock drafts anymore. He fell out of both rounds. No, so that plan, okay, playing with the Sun, playing with the Lakers, playing with your Sun is another pipe dream at this point. So, I don't know. I really think for the first time in a while, LeBron himself doesn't know
Starting point is 01:14:19 what he's doing. Yeah, and I don't know what the trade is either because you know, I don't know who the trade is either because, you know, I don't know who wants Russell for $18 million, right? What are you getting back? If you're the Lakers,
Starting point is 01:14:30 do you want to trade your last remaining first-round pick to not even know if you're a top-four team in the West? I don't know what the move is. Right now,
Starting point is 01:14:40 their over-under is minus 140 at 43.5 wins. Favorite to make the playoffs. Favorite to make it at minus 144. There's a trade I really love, and it won't happen, but the most fun trade for basketball
Starting point is 01:14:55 is if he gets traded to the Warriors. And it's Kaminga and Clay and maybe some pick swap down the road. And it's just, we'll take LeBron for three months and then he can declare for free agency. Klay gets to go back to the Lakers. His dad played there.
Starting point is 01:15:09 And the Lakers get Kaminga out of it. And then they put together the old guy's super team in Gold State. And it would just be like, holy shit. It's LeBron and Chris Paul and Curry. I don't know. LeBron could see Bronny Curry and I don't know. LeBron could see Bronny play in an hour. He could fly down, right?
Starting point is 01:15:32 Still be able to do it. The college season, there's like four weeks left or five weeks left. Yeah, that's true. Something like that. I don't know what the trade is for them. I don't know, man. When you're paying $100 million for two players in the NBA these
Starting point is 01:15:47 days, it's tough to put a good team around it. It's not a great winning formula. The hourglass emoji, it's just such a weird way to behave as the best guy. And then they do the press conferences. Imagine if Austin Reeves was like, yeah, man, I don't know what the fuck's wrong with that guy. We're out here trying hard every night. Would he be wrong to say that? I'm working my ass off. I don't know. I'm Austin Reeves. I'm 23. I'm doing my best.
Starting point is 01:16:14 I would love to know the biggest shit talker text chain in sports. Wouldn't you just love it? If there's a non-LeBron Lakers text thread, they're just like, I just want to know all of them. I wanted somebody to like, they talk about our fantasy league as the most popular,
Starting point is 01:16:29 one of the more popular. I want to know which sports text chain is the best. Like Michael Irvin told me he's on a text chain with all the other 88s, Drew Pearson, Des Bryant, CD Lamb. Yeah. I was like,
Starting point is 01:16:40 Oh my God, that is so fucking cool. It was like, yeah, it's just very positive and inspirational. We all tell CD, like go be the best 88 ever. Like, wow my God, that is so fucking cool. It was like, yeah, it's just very positive and inspirational. We all tell CD, like, go be the best 88 ever. Like, wow, what? I want alternatives to see what it comes for.
Starting point is 01:16:53 So the text thread is just called 88? Just 88. The 88 chain, he calls it. That's pretty good. I don't know what the move is for LeBron because the Lakers, there's no trade that's going to propel them. The league is too good. And I don't think there's a team for him to go to.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Miami's playing like crap. That's not going to fix them. Cleveland's doing great with that. They've won 13 of the last 14. Philly, you would have said maybe, but now Embiid's hurt, so they're out. That's probably why he's frustrated because it's basically like he's been checkmated for the season.
Starting point is 01:17:28 I don't blame him for being frustrated, but I think it's a weird way to lead a team. Is there an emoji that communicates, hey, all I ever wanted to do was win the in-season tournament. Screw the rest of you people. Is that similar to an hourglass? I don't know. I still think the team they have now, like they can play defense. Davis has played really well this year. He's been healthy. Russell's been a pretty good
Starting point is 01:17:52 like trick or treat offensive guy. And Rhea, I don't know, man. I don't think I don't think that team's as bad as maybe he's making it seem.
Starting point is 01:18:03 But what do I know? Conference and division right now, my soft-ass Celtics are plus 125. The Cavs are still 13-1, even though they've been playing great, and who knows what they'll do at the trade deadline. And Miami is still at 16-1
Starting point is 01:18:20 too, but to me, the East is wide open. I don't feel good about the Celtics at all. I think heading into tonight, they were 11- 6 and their last 17 then they killed Memphis tonight I went with my daughter uh Memphis had dudes Memphis brought in two guys that I'd never heard of before really like I was like I literally don't know who this is And they had Scotty Pippa Jr. was out there and Gigi Jackson. It was actually, it was weird. But you mentioned the Cavs real quick.
Starting point is 01:18:51 I think you moved that line too. Was it on this podcast? You said to win a division. I think it was like plus 290 or something. Oh, what is it now? Plus 180 now for that. The Cavs are good. Like they've stumbled into this Mitchell and defense formula.
Starting point is 01:19:05 They have shooting and they're playing well. I don't know what happens when they bring Garland back. Yeah, one of the bets that would be fun is the one seed bet, but I haven't seen that in a while. Because trying to bet on who's going to get the one seed in the Western Conference would be good. They have one about LeBron scoring his 40,000th regular season point. You see that one?
Starting point is 01:19:28 They've had that for a while. Yeah. It looks like they're thinking it's like maybe March 2nd range at Denver. Plus 320. Probably want to do it on a national TV game.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Right. I'm guessing want to do it on a national TV game. Right. I'm guessing. Yeah, it's just tough because if he has 12 points to go, he's not going to, and the next game is on the road, he's not going to skip that. Well, maybe he would. Who the hell knows? I like the method of basket, even though this is highly contested by a lot of the gamblers out there.
Starting point is 01:20:05 But dunk plus 650. Make a statement, LeBron. To break the record. So dunk plus 650. Others plus 300. Three point plus 270. Layup plus 175. Free throws plus 420.
Starting point is 01:20:19 So other is like a turnaround jumper. Jump shot. Or like a hook shot. Right. Yeah. Well, I guess any jump shot. That's not a? Jump shot? Yeah. Or like a hook shot? Right. Yeah. Well, I guess any jump shot. That's not a three, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Three-point field goal plus 270 is pretty good. I like them all. Let's just bet them all. Let's do parent corner. Today's parent corner is brought to you by CarMax. Every day as a parent
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Starting point is 01:21:38 going on. I think because Harry was in town this weekend, he's showing off. He took 11 threes and made two of them. And he was just driving me nuts. And the two that he made, it didn't matter if he missed the five before and they were terrible shots. He's holding up the three and the circle and everything. And I'm like, I'm putting my head in my hands. I'm like, oh. And they end up losing the game. And we're walking to the car and I'm just about to have the conversation with him. Like, listen, I don't want to watch you miss threes all game. I really, we're waking up at stupid hours and driving you long distances. I don't want to watch.
Starting point is 01:22:12 This is what I tell Jason Tatum. It's the same thing. Just go to the basket, Jason. You're going to go to the basket, Harrison. Right. The same thing. It's like, you understand you getting a rebound shooting from close range. You're going to end up with more points than if you go two for 11. I'm trying to do the math for him and everything. Before we get
Starting point is 01:22:27 to the car, the opposing coach is there. And he says, man, you were, you're a great three point shooter. Keep it up. Keep it up, man. You're one of the few players in the league that I get nervous when he's shooting a three. I said, are you in my head? Like, cause if I'm going to open this car, we're going to get in. I'm going to yell at this kid for shooting threes. Why are you telling him he should shoot more threes unless it's because you want to win? He's like, no, man. I actually said it to the guy. He's like, no, he should keep shooting the threes. He's trying to Jedi
Starting point is 01:22:54 mind trick him? What the hell? I guess it doesn't matter. It's a Steph Curry universe now. They're going to do whatever they want. You think he'll have a step back three in two years? I don't know. I just don't like watching it, right? Wouldn't you rather him be, if he's a
Starting point is 01:23:12 presence inside, wouldn't you rather watch your kid bang and get 12 points that way and launch these stupid shots? That's a tough age for basketball. That's when they're all just jacking up. Yeah. The other one, we had my son's birthday party. We're all just jacking up. Yeah. The other one, we had my son's
Starting point is 01:23:26 birthday party while we're doing this a little late and went to like 7.30 and my oldest says, hey, you got to get me into the gym. I have a pass. He doesn't. I was like, what are you talking about? I have to go do a podcast and everything. He's like, yeah, but I can't get in the gym unless you show up. So you could just run your thing. I was like, what are you talking about? I have to go do a podcast and everything. He's like, yeah, but I can't get in the gym unless you show up. So you could just run your thing. I was like, first of all, then we find out the gym's not even open. He's like, all right,
Starting point is 01:23:53 I'll go to a 24-hour gym. I'm like, what? It's now eight o'clock on Sunday night. He's going back to college tomorrow morning. I said, what are you doing? He's like, I got to keep the streak up. I have a streak of going to the gym. Much like our friend Rick Rosner, who ended up being a total mental case. But I was like, you're no son of mine, to quote a Phil Collins line, going to the gym, keeping up a streak. So I don't know. I got sons shooting threes and going to the gym, I need to take a paternity test, I think. I was on the road all last week because we were doing the Rewatchables tour. Yeah. And I can't describe
Starting point is 01:24:35 how little time my son had for me for FaceTimes, texting, calls, just, just, I might as well have just like gone to Mars and just, that's it. I'm
Starting point is 01:24:50 texting him like, Hey, how was lacrosse today? Hey, what's going on in school? Yo, talk later. Just like nothing. FaceTiming him. Hey. It just, it was brutal. And I was just thinking like, is this what the rest of my relationship with my son's going to be? He's going to go to college. I'm just like two word texts, brief FaceTimes,
Starting point is 01:25:15 him just sending me right to voicemail. It's just the rest of my life. Is this what it's going to look like? I don't remember. I'm with you. And the hours and hours of text between your text and the response is really disappointing. I don't even remember dating. Not that we had text with dating, but there's no feeling like it. It's like, oh, man, really? That was funny. I had to think about that. And I think it's interesting. Really, you don't care to not text me back? It just sucks. We're not cool, I guess.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Yeah, the opposite. Like I came to Boston to see my daughter and we went to the Celtic game. She was so excited to see me. And it's just, girls are just nicer than guys. It's just the reality.
Starting point is 01:26:03 Then I was thinking how I was on the road for a week and I didn't check in with my mom once. And then I checked in with her on Friday because I was walking to our venue. I checked in on Saturday. I was walking to the Knicks game. And you know, the Italian thing where the...
Starting point is 01:26:20 Why have you been called? No, it was never said. I think she was happy to hear me, but it's, it's just the undercurrent of, well, it was, it was good to hear from you.
Starting point is 01:26:31 It's like just, it's just, you can't get through the call without like the, the dig. I have a self corner. I have a Simmons corner. You know, we were out on the road all week and,
Starting point is 01:26:41 and I was really disciplined. Cause I really wanted to have energy for the shows i wanted to peak i was eating dinner at like four o'clock so i wouldn't like be sleepy when we're doing the things i wasn't like going out after and just trying not to eat candy at night anything so i could get my good six seven hours in i'm like i just got to get to friday night we're doing the friday night show and then i'm gonna actually go out And we ended up, we're at the Bowery Hotel and there was a bunch of us, including Dave Jacoby, who as you know is one of my kryptonites.
Starting point is 01:27:12 And it was a long night and it ended with a few of us at Prince Street Pizza, getting two big boxes of pizza and then bringing it back to the hotel and I had two pieces of pepperoni that like square awesome pizza sky high pepperoni like three inches right at 2.30 in the morning
Starting point is 01:27:35 yeah just pepperonis are falling off and I'm like and I just could not have felt worse the next day this was like a typical Friday 20 years ago the next day. This was like a typical Friday 20 years ago. The next day I was like, you would have thought I got dropped out from the sixth floor just on the street.
Starting point is 01:27:52 It's like, oh my, I had five drinks and two pieces of pizza and I feel like I need my liver taken out. Anyway, we're just old. We're old is my point. The regurgitables tonight at 8 p.m. I can't have five tequila and sodas and two pieces of pizza and my whole next day is ruined.
Starting point is 01:28:11 I still don't feel good. No. Well, text Ben and see what he takes. Yeah, well, I'll text him. I'll let you know when you're here. All right. That's it for Paracorder.
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Starting point is 01:29:01 Harry, this should be part of my parent corner. Another thing. I, um, I bought this like contrapment that, you know, I, I have, I hate when people don't have their phone in their car. They just leave it. Like they don't have a holder. Do you have a holder for your phone in the car? No, you don't. Why? No, just like lay it down in the middle between the seats and then you pick it up and look at it and a light. I have to have, I have mine set and it's too low for me. So I bought this contraption. I got, somehow on some algorithm, bought this contraption where you could hang it from your rear
Starting point is 01:29:32 view mirror. Now, some people will say this is dangerous. I say, no. I say looking down at ways is dangerous and then looking up. I want to keep it up there by this rear view mirror. It's almost like a quarterback. You want your eye contact to be over the line. Yes, you want it in front of you. I want that keep it up there by this rear view mirror. It's almost like a quarterback. You want your eye contact to be over the line. Yes, I want it in front of you.
Starting point is 01:29:46 I want that. And if so happens, I'm streaming, needing the Celtics to close out a parlay and they can't beat the Lakers. I'll be able to watch that too right there. So I'm very excited about this thing. I set it up and I'm like, oh crap, I need another piece to get this going. I know just what I need. It's in my house.
Starting point is 01:30:03 So I put it on the passenger seat and then I forget about it until the next morning. And the next morning we're driving to Harrison's basketball game and Harry gets in the passenger seat and sits on this thing and breaks it in three pieces. I was so damn excited. I was like, you know what? I just can't have nice things. He's like, oh, oh, look at this. Oh, well. He like drops it, drops it into the side container. Oh my God. That's my roommate.
Starting point is 01:30:32 Now you get to share a bathroom with the Luxor with them. Shoot me. Can we just live stream that on Fandle TV just from midnight to six? Yeah. Yeah. If they're okay with a murder. Yeah. I think so. So it's just you guys in two beds next to each other with the TV in the middle and the one
Starting point is 01:30:49 bathroom? I don't know. I haven't seen the room yet, but I think that's how it works. Yeah. Wow. Does Harry snore? What's the snoring situation? Yeah. He's a bad snorer too. I got to figure it out. I don't think rooms are that much now, actually, this week. I saw something. I might get the hell out of there. We'll see. Well, isn't it that because both teams have been in the Super Bowl and especially the Chiefs, this used to happen with the Pats. There'd be less Pats fans every year because everybody had made
Starting point is 01:31:14 the pilgrimage. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But San Francisco, I would assume, would have a bunch of fans there. Yeah, I agree. I wonder if... I just feel like there's more media now than ever right
Starting point is 01:31:27 yeah that's where the rooms get gobbled up well people have to break down the big game yeah nobody's doing that anymore alright cuz
Starting point is 01:31:36 as always good job by you good job by you buddy alright that's it for the podcast thanks to Kyle Creighton and Steve Cerruti as always
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