The Bill Simmons Podcast - Toronto's Kooky Title, Klay Goes Down, KD's Future, and an Interview With Adam Scott | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: June 14, 2019

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons recaps Game 6 of the NBA Finals, Toronto's first ever NBA title, Golden State's injuries, Toronto's sound game plan, what Kevin Durant's next year may look like, and more (1:45). Then Bill sits down with actor Adam Scott to talk about the first year of 'Jimmy Kimmel Live'; making 'Step Brothers,' 'Party Down,' and 'Big Little Lies'; the end of 'Game of Thrones', Hollywood stories; and more (48:35). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Going to talk about it in a second. I have no guess because it's like almost 11 o'clock here on the West Coast. And then coming up after that, Adam Scott. He's in Big Little Lies. He has been in a whole bunch of stuff and have been dying to get him on this podcast since forever. Coming up, we're going to talk a little basketball at the top. And then a little more basketball. And then a lot of basketball.

Because I have a lot of thoughts on this NBA Finals that is now gone. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, we're taping the very top of this. It's midnight PT. We had actually finished the podcast, and then the news broke about Clay Thompson tearing his ACL, and I just wanted to mention something at the top of this. I've never seen anything like this with a basketball team

where you have this half-decade run. We always talk about load management and rest. Is the schedule too long? How grueling the playoffs are? How hard it is to repeat? How hard it is to stay healthy? I'm going to talk about injury luck and all that stuff later in the podcast. I don't know that when you hear that part, I wouldn't have known that Clay Torres ACL. But I do think the combination your body's beaten up and you've played a lot of a lot of playoff games and just the level of intensity at these playoff games right now this has been a topic we've talked about on on pods for the last couple years now where if you watch basketball games in 2019 versus basketball games in 1977 and 1985.

Like it just feels like they play. It's, it's, it's just more taxing. There's more running. There's more everything. They're going full tilt all the time. Defensively, they're switching on everything. And, and maybe the, the human body just isn't meant to do this. It's, it just does not feel like a coincidence to me that Durant and

Clay broke down at the tail end of this run. And I don't know if we want a situation where if you keep a team together for four or five years, it's like the walking dead by the end of it. But with Clay, Clay's a free agent. You're going to hear me raving about him later in the pod about, you know, this is a classic clay game, but, um, just the, the, the ramifications of clay and KD going into free agency with major, major injuries is nuts. Like even having one of those guys would be strange, but to have two of them in the same team, what it means to the warriors now where you have this Warriors team. I think they're going to resign Clay. I assumed he was going to resign with them five years. And now it's like suddenly they're almost a non-contender. Or if they make the playoffs, they're like a six seed or a seven seed, something like

that. And maybe they can get their act together in time for the spring if Clay's healthy, but it certainly changes the fabric of what their future is, at least short term. It puts a higher premium now on, you know, if the Lakers can get Anthony Davis about their ability to become kind of an instant contender. It makes it, I think, a little bit easier and more realistic for teams like Denver and Portland to be one move away from maybe being this year's Toronto. It puts more pressure on a team like Houston to decide whether they want to try to keep this together

and make a real run in the West if the Warriors aren't going to be the Warriors anymore. You have to look at the Clippers and what's going on with them and all the cap space they have. And if Kawhi ends up going there, could Kawhi go to the West and suddenly the Clippers are the favorite in the West? I feel like we say this every year, but I really can't remember a season like this or a summer like this where we're going into free agency. I don't know who the point guards are on 20 teams. I don't know where seven of the best players in the league are going to play.

I don't know who the defending champs are because we might have a Warriors team that's now like an eight seed. And we might have a Toronto team that might be just rebuilding next year if they blow it up. And everybody's kind of in it and not in it. And you look at a team like the Celtics, who I think it would be crazy for them to mortgage the farm for Anthony Davis. But if the league is going to be this up in the air, maybe they should. So we're going to be talking about this definitely on Sunday night. I need to gather my thoughts on all of it. But I did want to mention the Clay thing.

And we're going to talk about Clay later in the podcast. I'm bummed out. Honestly, probably my favorite non-Celtic. And the fact that he went out there and made the free throws with the torn ACL and really seemed like he wanted to keep playing. Kudos to that dude. All right, we're going to queue this up now.

We're going backwards in time. Hop in the time machine. We're going to go back about an hour, 15 minutes and talk about this finals. All right, we're going to queue this up now. We're going backwards in time. Hop in the time machine. We're going to go back about an hour and 15 minutes and talk about this finals. All right, it is late here on the West Coast. So this is weird. I missed this finals game live. This is the first clincher that I missed

since I don't even remember when. You might have to go back to the 70s. I've watched every clinching finals game live since I was like, I don't know, probably one of those Sonics Bullets games in the late 70s. I missed it because it was my daughter's eighth grade graduation. She's been at the same school this entire decade since September 2010.

And they have this big ceremony every year and it was on the radar. I knew it was a Thursday. I knew there was a game six on a Thursday. I did not know it was going to be a night affair. And it was a two hour graduation event that started at 7 PM PT. So we were heading into like the tail end of the second quarter and this thing was going, it was super emotional. People are singing songs songs there's a speech for every kid and uh and i just didn't want to be the guy who was on his phone plus it was my kid and i'm sitting in the front row and uh it was just bizarre i i decided i was not going to look at my phone. I did the thing. You have that conundrum when you're at an event where you go, you can either just not check at all, hope nobody says the score, go home and watch it like it's live. That never works. There are too many people that knew me at this thing and I knew somebody friend rebecca who's from canada who's sitting right behind me and who's on her phone the whole time uh rooting for the raptors and i could hear her like doing little weird grunts and stuff a couple times during the thing and i ended up starting to check my phone just just very quietly surreptitiously a couple times during the last thing and i could see

oh golden state's up now toronto's up and all I'm doing is looking at the score and the time ticking away I have no idea what happened to Klay Thompson all of a sudden it's like 111 110 with .9 seconds left forever and I just assumed Draymond went on a killing

spree and got like 17 technicals or something or Mark Stevens came back like Shooter and Hoosiers and just charged on the floor. I didn't know what happened. It was on there forever. Then it was 112 110. And then I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know if ESPN was and then all of a sudden it was 114 110 and it was

over and Toronto is our 2019 champions. I would say I'm going to start here. So Rosillo's not here. Russillo went to the game. He would initially, we were going to do like a late, late night, Thursday night thing, but then he actually decided he was going to the game. So we're going to catch up with him next week. Cause we have about a million different things to discuss. But, um, my initial thoughts

every once in a while, this happens where there's just kind of a dumbfounding NBA champion. And I'm on the Wikipedia page right now looking at all the finals champions. And they're all in a row. And a lot of them make sense. In this 2019 Toronto, four games over two with head coach Nick Nurse. It's just bizarre. I just can't get over it. I can't believe it. They do this crazy

Hail Mary trade for Kawhi Leonard last summer. I'm a Celtics fan. I did not want them to trade Jalen Brown in the Sacramento pick that turned out to be the 14th pick in this draft for Kawhi Leonard. I thought it was too risky. That was me a year ago. You talk about bad takes, that's way, way up there. I just thought it was too risky. He played nine games last season. He was in a contract year. Everybody thought he was going to LA. He decided to not say anything about signing in Toronto long-term, anything. He's been a blank slate because that's Kawhi. Toronto says, screw it. They trade DeMar DeRozan for him.

They are tired of just coming oh so close so many years in a row. They put in Purtle in the trade. They get back Danny Green. And they just take a fire on a guy who turns out to be, you could say he's the best player in the league. You could say he's one of the three best players in the league.

Whatever you want to say. Went to another level. best player in the league. You could say he's one of the three best players in the league, whatever you want to say. Went to another level, was incredible in these playoffs. I think he scored the third most points in a playoffs ever. Now he played 23 games, finished with a 31-9-4, almost 50-49. He was just short. He was 49-39-80, 8.5. So he was almost a 54, 90 guy. Not to mention incredible defensive player the entire time,

always guarding the best guy on the other team and roaming and doing all the stuff he did. And made one of the most iconic series ending shots we've ever had in Philly. The shots still bounce around the rim, that goes in. And now they're the NBA finals champions. And even the celebration was weird. This was a really weird personality team in a good way. They were just like icy assassins. There was that. After game four, they showed

them in the runway walking back to the locker room. And it was like they had just beaten somebody in a preseason game in North Dakota or something. They just had this cool, calm vibe to them this whole time. There were basically seven guys, which as I've said before in the pod, I love. I love the seven man rotation. All seven guys, as Russolla was talking about the other night on this pod, could create their own shot in some way, or at least be a little bit dangerous. You had to worry about them. It didn't really matter who was good night to night other than Kawhi, but they always

seemed to have three guys going tonight. Obviously, Fred VanVleet, who you do this, you see this over and over again in the finals where it's the Fred VanVleets. Those are the guys that win these close series. You know, you go back, like Dallas, Miami is a good example. 2011, Jason Terry and J.J. Barea are two of the essential guys in that series. This is like the greatest moments of their career, both in that series. 2009, Derek Fisher in game four made not only the biggest shot of the whole series,

but was really kind of the guy for a couple different stretches. Kobe was not good in game three, and he was not good in game four in that series. And Fisher and Pau Gasol was good, but just you never know. Posey and House in 2008 for the Celtics, when they would go small, it was kind of a small ball lineup before we even realized that those guys are making threes. And you just go on through NBA history.

Sometimes, you know, you have situations like 2012 where you got LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all together and they're just cranking it out. Mike Miller had a huge clinching game in that. But, you know, I would say it's like two out of every three, it's the best guys in the team are usually carrying it. And then you randomly have these teams like this team or the 2014 Spurs where night to night, you don't know who it's going to be. I thought it was very fitting that Siakam had the best offensive game. Siakam was the best player

offensively for this team in game one and in game six. That didn't mean he deserved the finals MVP, but they won four games. He was the best player in two of them for them. And then Van Vliet was just immense. He had, what was it, 99-96 with six minutes left. He'd already made two threes.

He got fouled on a three, tied the game, then made another three late with about 340 left. That was one thing. Then Lowry, he had 21 in the first half. Then one of the crazy bouncers, another thing I love about the finals is sometimes you just know it's somebody's year. Conversely with Golden State, you can just tell it wasn't their year.

Like over and over again, something going on, going back to KD getting hurt, Klay getting hurt in this game. Just dumb breaks all over the place. And that Lowry shot, they're up. It's a little over two minutes left. They're up four. Lowry does this fall away, I think 13-footer. Ball bounces straight up in the air and goes in.

And reminiscent, 50 years ago, actually, Don Nelson, Game 7, Celtics-Lakers, the legendary, like a minute left, the legendary crazy bounce shot where he takes this jumper. Lakers have all the momentum. Jumper hits the back of the rim, goes straight up in the air, and falls through. crazy bounce shot where he takes this jumper. Lakers have all the momentum. Jumper hits the back of the rim, goes straight up in the air and falls through. And it's like, sometimes it's just your year where stuff like that happens. Curry also had a chance to be immortal in this game

because you had Danny Green throws it away, little under 10 seconds left, and he throws it away. They're pressing. Toronto's up one draymond is about to not only foul him but it's a borderline intentional foul it's like the last action before he's about to commit a foul and green throws the ball and mistimes it and it ends up going out of bounds golden state gets the ball back they run a really nice play where they actually screwed up the inbounds pass and it still worked. They had Draymond pin somebody in the low post, throw it over his head. He catches

it. Toronto rallies to try to steal the ball away. And then he flips it to Curry. Curry got a good look. Nope. Didn't go in. Curry was not great in this game. They spent the whole game just beating the shit out of him. And they had Siakam on him for stretches and just chipping him and making him work, trying to play a pace he didn't like. You think like he ended up being the last healthy guy in this series for them. I guess Draymond was healthy, but Draymond was really up and down. Draymond had a classic Draymond game tonight. 11 points, 19 rebounds, 13 assists. Eight turnovers.

Three of them were really, truly terrible in the last six minutes. He had 30 turnovers in the finals in six games. Not great. Although Westbrook's like, whoa, that's low. Give me a courtesy laugh, Kyle. Come on. But

Curry wasn't great and this was you know I think he's one of the best playoff guys we've ever had I really do and he unfortunately has two really bad playoff games in his resume game seven 2016 where he they just had a lot of chances to put it away and he couldn't do it. And then tonight, but here's the thing, Kawhi wasn't good either. And that's the thing we remember with the finals. It's really hard to just be really good in every game.

Kawhi, for the most part in game five, wasn't that good. Then he had that 12 point stretch where he scored 12 in a row and he just took over. But the last two games, he looked like he was running on fumes. Curry looked like he was running on fumes tonight. And the killer, which I can't believe I haven't even gotten to yet, was the out-of-control bummer of a Klay Thompson injury

where you have Klay is verging on the thing he does every once in a while. And usually it's like a league pass night on like a Tuesday night and all of a sudden on Twitter people are saying, Klay's got 26 early in the second quarter. The thing he does every once in a while, and usually it's like a league pass night on a Tuesday night, and all of a sudden on Twitter people are saying, Clay's got 26 early in the second quarter. Everybody gets excited. He was starting to get in that groove. He hit that crazy three, I would say,

three minutes left in the third quarter, where it was like transition, like 29-footer. It didn't even seem like there was any chance he was going to shoot a three, and then he does, goes in. You just feel like it started to get NBA was any chance he was going to shoot a three. And then he does goes in. You can just feel like it started to get NBA jam. Like he's starting to turn red and then gets fouled on this transition play, you know, typical play. He just landed wrong. It happens.

And he's walking off all of a sudden he's, they come out of commercial. He's back. He shoot the free throws. Then it seems like they're going to play him. And then five minutes later, he's on crutches, But man, we've seen this happen. I mentioned in a couple of podcasts ago about the similarities with this team and the 89 Lakers or the 87 Celtics, these great champions that just, it's so hard to do this. It's so hard to do this for a half decade and to stay healthy and more importantly, to have luck

because you need luck to win a title. You do. You need injury luck. You need bounces. You need luck in the sense of one of the best players in the league is just going to become available in a trade. You need luck all over the place just to win one. They had a chance to win four and five

and you go back over those titles 2015 they caught a bunch of breaks including the Cavs got decimated heading into that finals but you know going back like that Clippers Houston series is weird it's funny the Warriors fans are always like we were three and one against the Clips that year but that Clippers team was really good and I think that would have been their toughest series out of the four, considering Kyrie and Love didn't play that last game. So they got luck that year, 2017 and 18, they got the luck of staying healthy. And you think, all right, well, part of the reason they stayed healthy was they had so many good players. They had the luxury of not pushing any of them too far. But it's still lucky just to get through two straight seasons without

crushing injury. The closest that came was Durant. Almost got hurt last year. It didn't happen. You need the great player, which Toronto had. You need luck. You need seven guys. You need some randos. You need the

Serge Ibaka in Game 7 against Philly just feeling it. You need some randos. You need like the Serge Ibaka in game seven against Philly, just feeling it. You need Van Vliet over and over again. These last two rounds, just turning into this Vinnie Johnson, a microwave type score. I don't fully understand it. You need like the Marcus saw the ability to just be when he's great.

It's a bonus when he's great, it's a bonus. When he's bad, he still knows where he's going and what he's doing. I think he went 0 for 5 tonight, but still knows where he is on the floor. And then you need some breaks. You think back to 2013, Miami, San Antonio, the famous Real and shot game where LeBron misses a three. The rebound goes up in the air. There are four Spurs waiting for it. Wade comes in and somehow tips it away from this group of four Spurs. It hits two other people's hands, ends up going back to LeBron. He hits a three, comes back down. Kawhi misses one of two free throws, comes back down. LeBron misses the three. Bosh comes flying and gets it, gives it to Ray Allen, makes it. And then they end up winning in overtime. But

game seven, which was just on recently, and it's one of my favorite Duncan moments. Duncan has a little bunny over Shane Batty as him pinned with like 45 seconds left. And does this little scoop hook shot, like a four footer that he's made a million times. Only at this point, he's probably played 1300, 1400 games. He's on one leg and he just misses it. And then he misses the tip in for it. And then the Miami comes back down up to,

and you see the wide shot of Duncan running back. And he just, you know, this is a guy who's like, Kawhi never showed emotion and just pounds the floor because he knew like that was the moment. And I think for this Warriors team, I'm not even sure they should have gotten to a game six. I think Toronto probably should have finished them off

in game five, you know, as we discussed on the Monday night pod where you're up six with three minutes left at home, that game should be over. Let them off in game five. As we discussed on the Monday Night Pod where you're up six with three minutes left at home, that game should be over. Let them off the hook. They did a nice job of coming back and almost closing the door. And then Danny Green throws it away

and there's Curry with a chance to do it. So just going in order of plot lines quickly. Kawhi with one of the all-time 23 game runs. When we talk about the great playoff runs, there's been a lot of them. I think my favorite one with Bird was probably 86, which statistically he was probably a little bit better in 84, but 86, just peak of his powers, just ripping through teams. And it was really great, but they were never really challenged that year.

I think when you have the great run, but you also really get challenged, that's a little more special. You know, I think Duncan, even in 2003, not a great season for the league, but Duncan, they get through the Lakers, a six game series against a surprisingly frisky Nets team that was wired a lot like this Raptors team, unassuming built around one superstar. It seemed kind of improbable they could win the title. And then all of a sudden

they were pretty close. And then Duncan put up the, it was like a 21, 20, 10 and eight. He almost said quadruple double and was just awesome. And he was awesome that whole series or that whole, that whole playoffs. But this Kawhi run, you go through NBA history is as good as any, any of the ones we've seen. It really is. And especially for a forward with the standard being LeBron, um, Durant's had a couple, couple of good ones in golden state, but never a start to finish and was never this relied on. And I still think the best game Kawhi played was that game seven in the Philly series where Van Vliet had not turned into Vinnie Johnson yet. Ibaka was really

the only guy doing anything. Lowry was not good in that game. And Kawhi just gave them every single ounce of basketball in his body. It took 39 shots and ended up making the game winner. But once they got through that game, I think they were a different team. And you look at this run they had where they blow the first two with Milwaukee. They win the next four. They finish this series in six, but really, they dominated the first four games. They won 13 of the 16 quarters. Then game five, they gave away. And then this game, they got some help with the clay injury,

but they really should have won. But this Kawhi run, I'm really going to have to think about, I need a couple of days to think about where he ranks Pantheon wise, where he ranks right now from a trade value standpoint, how many guys you want in the league over him. at least for the last round and a half here, I did not feel like he was 100%. Didn't really matter. He kind of adapted and did the old slow motion, pick the spots kind of game. And he's a free agent.

And Kyle and I were actually driving home from Zoe's graduation and we were listening to Doris interview people and Doris was asking him, what did he say? What'd she say? What are you going to, what do you have to say to DeMar DeRozan? No, that was to Kyle Lowry. Oh, that was to Kyle. No, this is Kawhi. Okay. Yeah. Kawhi, he said, uh, it was like, what are you going to do about next year? And she's like, and he's like, I don't want to talk about that. You know, I just want to enjoy this with my teammates. Then Kyle Lowry's getting interviewed and Doris goes, how goes, what do you have to say to DeMar DeRozan?

And then Marc Gasol's getting interviewed. He's like, what about your Memphis teammates? So we were joking about Doris being the sideline reporter at somebody's wedding. Kyle, you got married today. What about your ex-girlfriends in Poughkeepsie? What have you learned from them? What did you learn from your ex-girlfriend in college?

The Kawhi thing's remarkable. And the possibility, the real possibility that he ends up a Clipper next year is insane. The guy just won the finals MVP. They're all doing the claw on the stage. And you'd be like, okay, thank you. There's also Maasai rumors going around about, you know, whether he's going to jump to the Washington

or wherever, but there's a chance this Toronto team just blows up. And guess what? The Toronto fans don't care. They just won the title. They're delighted. It's the greatest moment in the last 25 years in any Canadian sports team.

Yeah. All right, a couple other things. Siakam had a stealth MVP case. I am in the camp of the best player should win the finals MVP. Kawhi certainly did more than enough in this series to do it. But it is funny that Siakam was their best guy in two of the four games. Nick Nurse and Masai. You think like Masai making the jump from Denver to Toronto, getting his ass kicked by LeBron year after year, and then makes this miracle trade that has to be considered one of the two best trades of the decade now. I would say this trade's got it. Actually, I would have it number one because it actually won the title.

I would have had the Harden trade as the number one trade, but Houston's never actually even made the finals with Harden. Messiah makes this trade. They win the title. Jesus. So I would have that 1A. I would have the Harden trade 1B. And then 1C, I actually think it's probably Portland somehow getting Damian Lillard for Gerald Wallace, who was an expiring free agent. I still don't understand how that happened. Thank you, Billy King. Billy King also made that great Celtics trade with KG and Pierce. But you look at the haul the Celtics got for that trade, I mean, that trade does impale

in comparison to getting Kawhi and actually winning the title. So Messiah goes down and, I mean, wherever he goes next, this is one of the great GM performances we've had. It really is. Like that trade won them the title. It was super ballsy. Hanley makes the good saw trade too during the season. And by all accounts, was trying to throw Lowry in it

and get Conley too. And that's another winner of this series, the Lowry in it and get Conley too. And that's another winner of this series, the Lowry redemption. Lowry, I thought got a little tight in game five, missed a huge three, then got the three blocked at the corner at the end, but has been up and down, has been a frustrating guy to root for and watch because he'll be great one night, not as great the next night. Definitely disappeared in some of those Cleveland series.

But man, the intensity that he played those last two rounds, and especially tonight, the way he came out, got 21 in the first half and really set the tone for them, I thought, on a night that Kawhi just didn't really totally have it. Just a playoff guy. And I think he's an aspiring free agent, somebody that, you know,

they might, they might decide to just trade this summer if they blow it up. But the Larry redemption is definitely a plot. Nick nurse, rookie coach wins the title. I'm starting to wonder, like you look at the last Kerr one, two Nick nurse,

one, one Tyron Lou during his first season wins. David Blatt made a finals Spolstra was a young coach who made four straight finals Scott Brooks made a finals Mike Brown made a finals

Avery Johnson almost won the finals we might overrate coaches a little. I thought Nick Nurse did a really nice job in this series, though. I really did. I especially love the seven-man rotation thing. And I thought he did some smart stuff with increasing the pace, trying to wear the Warriors out. Some of the stuff they did with Curry was smart.

I have no idea why he calls timeouts when he has momentum. That's like his little thing. More power to you, Nick Nurse. You keep calling those timeouts when you have all the momentum in the world. It worked. Van Vliet in the history of random finals, guys. I left out Richard Jefferson in 2015. Shout out to him.

Another winner. Clay. I don't think we had to be reminded that Clay was fucking awesome, but I will say, I think he might have the highest approval rating of any NBA player from the other 29 fan bases. Clay's gotten to the point that if you were at a bar and you're talking basketball, three people who you didn't know that well.

And then one guy's like, you know, I fucking hate Clay Thompson. Fuck that guy. I think Everybody would react like something horrible just happened. People love Klay Thompson. This added to his legacy. He's an amazing teammate. We knew that already. I've had multiple people on this podcast, Curry, Durant, Steve Kerr, all talking about what a joy he is to have as a teammate and as somebody you coach, he is just an awesome big game guy and has done it over and over again,

especially on the road, which as we talked about on Monday night is one of the legacies of this Warriors team. And what he did today, I just knew he was, I actually was more certain that he was showing up tonight than Steph because I think you can take out Steph a little bit.

You can do what the Raptors are doing, which is basically when he's getting over midcourt, just throwing two guys at him and knocking him and chipping him and elbowing him and doing everything he can to wear him out. It's really tough to just contain Klay when he's going, and he's just going to get to his 30 to his 35. So I think one of the silver linings with this

Warriors half-decade run that they've just had that they're clearly going to transform into a different team, but it'd just be fun to watch Clay and Curry kind of be the guys again. And to see Clay unleashed, I do feel like it was like one of those, uh, one of those movies where you only have so many, so many lines and so many good parts for everybody. And a couple of the actors aren't in enough good scenes. It was like Fast and Furious or something where Jason Statham's in it. You don't really need him. And where he could, now he's in Hobbs and Shaw. And Clay's like that too. Clay should just be one of the two stars in the movie. We're getting that again. Every season has a, that could have been us team. I do think it's Philadelphia this year. And I think the irony is the Ringer has like 10 Philly fans on staff and they love the 76ers. And we did that Colangelo piece last year that ended up putting their front

office in complete disarray. And from the moment we did that piece, and you go back and look at all the moves they made and where they just end up with basically a five-man roster and nobody else they can play in a playoff game, and they still come within a hair of beating Toronto in round two with Embiid being sick a couple games and all the other weird shit that happened. I don't know.

If you computer simulate this series 10 times there might be a world where philly wins maybe two of these two of these titles toronto wins a couple golden state definitely if durant doesn't get hurt um but if i'm a philly fan and i just watch toronto win that title and i know how close i was to beating them and breaking them and how hard it was for toronto to score that whole series i that, that would drive me nuts. So you got that. And then, um, and then speaking of, of things we were that, that you just kind of go, Oh man, I wish we'd had that. I had Durant Kawhi would have been awesome. And I, and I do feel like we were cheated from that. And this happens from time to time too.

I still feel like 2009 ended up being Orlando versus the Lakers. The Celtics were awesome that year. I mean, remove my Boston fan hat for a second. The 2009 team was a better team than the 08 team. KG goes down in Utah and we never see him again that whole season, the rematch of Lakers Celtics that season would have been awesome. By the time we got it, it was 2010. The Celts were older and more banged up. The Lakers were also running on fumes and they had a series that I know the Laker fans loved it. There weren't a lot of classics in that series. It was two older contenders kind of having a slugfest. But that 09 series, I think just with the Lakers, with Kobe trying to win a title without Shaq, Celtics

back-to-back, and then we were just robbed of it without KG. This happens from time to time. 2015, I think, is another good example. I don't know what would happen if Kyrie and Love had played, but that would have been a really, really, really great series with the Warriors team that hadn't done it on a big stage yet. So sometimes this is the way it goes, you know, and you think like this year we did not get Kate, we got Katie and quiet for 12 minutes. It was a fun 12 minutes. Let's take a quick break. Cause I want to talk about Katie really quick. Let's talk about our old friend stamps.com.

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We're going to talk about it with Rossello next week, and I'm sure other guests I have. It was a classic modern-day news cycle where this terrible injury happens. Everybody's digesting it and coming up with whatever their angle is. And at some point the blame game starts. We did a little bit of it on the podcast on Monday night.

I didn't understand how he went from being a scratch three days before to no minutes limit and him playing 12 or 14 and a half minutes in, in game five. It just, I just don't. I still don't understand. I'm never going to understand it. I don't know why they didn't ease him in. You have to win all three games to win the title. I don't understand why they didn't play him five or six minutes a quarter and just try to take it a little easy and ease him back

when you knew you needed him for two more games. Bizarre. So there's been a lot of, a lot of blame with the Warriors. People made fun of that Bob Myers press conference, all that stuff. And I didn't love how people were missing. It seemed like two distinct points that I found hard to believe. One is that Kevin Durant is a 30 yearold man who's perfectly capable of deciding what he wants to do and whether he wants to come back on a basketball court. We saw it tonight, Clay would have come back. They basically had to physically throw him off the court and get him out

of there because he didn't want to leave. So for us to talk about what an athlete should do when they're in that moment and they're competing and they're that close to winning a title and they've, they feel loyal to their teammates and you have adrenaline rushing, all that stuff. I think it's crazy for us to try to put ourselves in, in their shoes. Katie wanted to play now. Did they give him the wrong medical advice that I don't know.

I don't know what they told him. I don't know what they told him. I don't know if they told him you can't make the calf worse. I don't know if they explained to him the risk of a calf could lead to an Achilles thing, whatever happened. I mean, there's been rumors going around that it was actually an Achilles injury all along and he made that worse. And this is turning into the JFK assassination. There's conspiracy theories all over the place. I don't know what to believe. All I know is Kevin Durant's a 30 year

old man. And I think it's insulting when, when people just make it seem like the team bullied him into doing it or the media and all this stuff, it whole thing was annoying. And I can't, I was turning on the ESPN shows two days later and they're still doing it. I just didn't get it. I thought we should have actually spent more time talking about how close Toronto came in game five and all the mistakes they made. They got a pretty much of a free pass for the game five stuff. So that was one thing. The other thing was, you know,

I talked to Jalen for a while, two days ago. We just, we hadn't talked in a while. We just catching up all bunch of stuff. We were talking about KD and playing with an injury where you're in front of 20,000 people. You haven't played in a month. You have all this adrenaline running through you. You're playing well. You made a couple of threes.

You're back. You're feeling good. You went from you don't trust your body you're bummed out you can't help your team to like you're actually playing pretty well and you're in the finals and you're trying to save it for your team and that and you're starting to feel it and you start letting down those walls that you have about the injury and and then you get hurt. And I don't think we paid enough attention to the fact that he was hurt the whole time. And when you put an injured athlete in that situation

with that much adrenaline, the adrenaline can be good and it can be bad. It can be good because if you had a pulled hamstring or like what Kavon Looney had, where you have this injury that just really hurts and you can't make it worse, the adrenaline can drive you through it. But when you're in a situation like with, with the KD thing, the adrenaline makes you forget that you're hurt. And I think that's what happened. And it's just too bad. So the ramifications, you know, Hey, we didn't talk

about it that much on Monday night. And I know we're going to talk about it more next week and it's going to be the dominant story of the summer, but, um, the ramifications one, what does this mean with the Warriors? So this is, this one caught my eye. Jay Williams was on first take, um, Thursday and really, really killed Golden State for misdiagnosing Durant's injury and was saying how he knew for a fact that Durant was told he couldn't injure the Achilles at all. And he said how watching Durant go down got ignited and pissed him off and basically did a whole thing about how the organization, he thought that one of the reasons they pushed for this was because they were trying to get the most out of Durant before he left. It was pretty pointed. Now, here's why this matters. Jay Williams is the host of The Boardroom with

Kevin Durant and Rich Kleiman on ESPN+. Jay Williams is buddies with those guys. And for him to feel this strongly about it and feel the need to go out and say this stuff and make it seem like he has inside information on it, I'm taking it seriously because this is the equivalent of if something happened with me and then Joe House went on Get Up and was like, here's the thing. The ESPN, here's what they did to Simmons. And they lied to him here. And Joe House said all this stuff.

You'd probably believe it because you know Joe House is my best friend from college. So I just thought that was a red flag. And it made me think that this Warriors-D Durant thing is not going to end well. Because people seem to think he's just going to, you know, he's going to be hurt anyway. He'll just rehab there. He'll grab the 31 million. Nobody's going to give it to him.

I think that's insane. I actually think multiple teams will give it to him. It's a four-year deal. You sign him and you throw away the first year you know it's not going to matter let's say you sign him for I don't know four years 170 max whatever it is

you're the next you do this you're not good next year anyway now you actually have like a built in tanking scenario again you already have RJ Barrett you'reing scenario again. You already have R.J. Barrett. You're getting him a third pick. You can unleash him. I did this whole bit on NBA Desktop this week about

let R.J. Barrett cook. Let the Canadian chef make his Canadian bacon. The thing is that the Knicks, you know, they suck anyway. They've sucked for 20 years. They've never had a chance to sign a guy like this. You'd have to go. They've sucked for 20 years. They've never had a chance to sign a guy like this. Try it. You'd have to go. They've stumbled into Patrick Ewing. They signed down

in Houston in 1996. They signed Amara Stoudemire. Like they've always had to either in roundabout way, get a superstar trade for a guy or whatever. Um, here's a chance to sign like one of the 15 best guys ever. And somebody that even when he comes back, he'll be, he'll be 32. He's somebody that this is really the first terrible injuries. He had a knee injury in the 13 or 14 season, came back from that, but he's been pretty durable.

He's somebody whose game I think is going to age really well. Cause he's just such a fantastic offensive player and with his size and all that stuff and I look at it this way this might be my only chance to ever get somebody like this from them because Davis is Rich Paul he's going to the Lakers that's just happening

he's going to bully Davis to the Lakers and make it happen and nobody is going to be able to stop it. The big casualty of this Durant injury was I think the Knicks actually would have had an outside chance to get him if Durant didn't get hurt. Because let's say Durant goes there and then they make the Davis trade and then all of a sudden you have something. But the word all week, and I got to say I was shocked by this,

but it really does seem like it was going to be a Kyrie and KT to Brooklyn thing. That did gain some steam. And Kyrie's going to Brooklyn. It really seems like that's in motion, just reading the tea leaves. He signs with Roc Nation. Roc Nation is run, the Roc Nation sports side is run by somebody whose twin brother runs the Nets. And you can look up all that stuff.

It's not subtle. So Kyrie's going there and then, you know, they clear out the second cap space spot and maybe that was for KD. Now, if you're Brooklyn, I'm not sure you, I'm not sure you have to be desperate enough to do that with KD. I think the Knicks are actually desperate.

And if I had the chance to get KD, I can bring him in, throw away a year, and then really make that run in 2020. I would think about it. I don't see a scenario where he goes back to Golden State. Now, he might surprise me. It could be a shocker, but I just don't see it. Especially if you're Golden State, you have this possibility to contend next year too. The league's wide open again,

and now you're spending $31 million on a guy who's not going to play. That seems crazy. He could screw them by opting in and just getting the $31 million and rehabbing on their dime and then trying to figure out what he's going to do a year from now. But if I was him, I would be going for the max deal. And I do think there's teams out there that would give it to him. So it's a bummer because I really wanted him, I was psyched for him to go to the Knicks or the Nets or wherever and just, that would be his team.

I do think the outpouring of affection from Thompson and Curry and all the stuff that happened on that end, maybe that opened the door slightly. But the Jay Williams thing, I'm telling you, that was a red flag to me that he went that hard on how the Warriors handled the situation. That is somebody who spends time with KD and Rich Kleiman, and that did not seem coincidental.

So file that one away. We're going to talk NBA next week. Is the drafts next week? God, why do they do it this way? I barely have time to. I'm sure we're going to have a bunch of NBA stuff. We're going to be on call. If there's a Davis trade, we'll be ready.

I'm in LA all week. Nephew Kyle is poised and ready to go. I'm a scooter ride away. You're a scooter ride away at all time or a car ride or an Uber. We're ready to go if there's an emergency trade. So if anything happens. And I know late Sunday night, we're going to tape a podcast. My dad's actually here, but there's US Open

and I'm sure there's going to be a lot of stuff that comes out after the finals. There's always some gossip and all that stuff. So we'll be back Sunday night on this. Coming up, we're going to have Adam Scott, who is somebody that I've known forever and I can't believe this is the first time he's been on the pod,

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We've been casually just sort of planning this, literally, since you started doing this. Was that 12 years ago? Yeah. Fuck. I've known you since 03. I started working for Jimmy Kimmel's show. Daniel Kalliston, the executive producer.

Your then girlfriend was the lead assistant. That's right. And she had this boyfriend who was an actor. Yeah. And you would come to the green room and hang out. Yeah. And we were like, oh, that's Naomi's boyfriend. I would come to the show almost every night.

Yeah. For free beer. Right. That was the best part of the show in year one. We had this amazing bar. It was incredible. And it was packed every night. Celebrities.

Yeah. More celebrities than we actually had on the show somehow. Yeah. Celebrities would come to hang out there, but they weren't willing to go and sit down. And then we would have the second lead from Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Exactly. Meanwhile, some A-listers having a gin and tonic or something. It was really fun. So you were there all the time. And then all of a sudden, I was like, hey, did you hear about Noam and his boyfriend? I'm like, you know, some A-listers having a gin and tonic or something. It was really fun. So you were there all the time.

And then all of a sudden, I was like, hey, did you hear about Noam and his boyfriend? I'm like, what? He's in the new, he got the new Leo movie. Oh yeah. You're like, what? Yeah, that's right. Adam? That's right.

You got the aviator. And then that was it. Then you started getting roles and it was really fun to watch it happen. Thanks. fun to watch it happen thanks i remember when i got that role um uh everyone at kimmel who i had gotten to know hanging out every night drinking beer were that was like where all of the like joy and support of getting this part this role where most of it came from, was from all you guys. Like, hey! Like, it was like the good fellas

when he gets out of jail. Right. When the kid gets out of jail. Like, everyone was so nice and so effusive. It was really nice. It was a big deal, though. That was like, Leo was at his all-time anytime he did a movie.

Yeah, and Martin Scorsese. And Scorsese, and we'd heard about the movie, and they'd been trying to make it for years. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, even though it was a small part, it was a huge deal for me. But that was my first real hands-on experience with just the sort of love of Jimmy's crew and his family. And it's just a really tight,

tight knit group of, of lovely people. I really want to do a narrative podcast about year one of Kimmel show and he'll never let it happen, but I really think it would be everybody's got 20 stories. Why? Like the first night when the girl puked in the audience? Yeah, in front of Bob Iger.

Yeah. Yeah. All that stuff. Just put it all down. But I don't think he'll ever allow it. Because night one, the audience had an open bar. Yeah. That was part of the conceit of the show.

Yeah. Is the audience, we want like a really lively audience. We're going to have them drink. They get there early, have some cocktails. Yeah. You have to find that woman who puked that first night and interview her. we want like a really lively audience we're gonna have them drink they get there early have some cocktails yeah you have to find that woman who puked

that first night and interview her well Daniel still blames her cause if she didn't puke I'm sure Daniel does if she didn't puke it would've been fine

we would've it would've been awesome but it was like well that's also why that sounds like the name of Daniel's autobiography if she didn't puke, it would have been fine. Oh, man.

I remember thinking at the time, this seems dangerous, but I kind of like it, but not really understanding all the repercussions. I wonder why no one's done this before. Yeah, right. True. Like, why isn't anyone just fed alcohol to their uh studio audience it's funny i was just thinking about it because we have this bug flying around attacking us uh jimmy just resigned for three years he's actually gonna be on for 20 years and i and

i always think about that first year wow and that's 17 years ago that yeah it was january 2003 wow yeah so what you just said was a lot of the issue early on was we were trying a lot of stuff that nobody had tried before but there's a reason people don't try stuff on you know you can't get in too innovative at 11 30 because everybody's just used to a certain kind of show yeah and you know eventually you kind of settle into what you are. Jimmy didn't come out for a monologue. He didn't wear a tie. Guest host. Yeah.

And, you know, cut to a couple years later, he has a tie and he's doing- The tie was a big concession. Yeah. Like there's certain things. I loved the early show for all of those reasons. Me too. And I love the show now. I think the show is as strong as it's ever been. But the chaos of those early couple of years was really fun. And Bill Carter was around. Yeah. know bill carter was around yeah um and so there was this excitement to it because uh you you felt

like something was happening and the fact that bill carter was a fly on the wall you were like oh my god this is the beginning of and for me and i'm sure you you know loving the late night culture and having read bill carter's books and the HBO movie and being such a Letterman fanatic since I was like 12 and knowing Jimmy was kind of continuing in the Letterman tradition. And it was just an exciting thing to be on a fly on the wall for, or a fly with a beer on the wall. That's how I felt. I really thought some of the stuff that happened that first like four or five months was great. Yeah.

And I would love to. Unfortunately, not a lot of it's on YouTube, but just like guest house every week and how different each one was. Yeah, that was really fun. Like Snoop Dogg would be there all week. Right. Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson. There were some really weird ones. What were some of the other ones? Well, my favorite week was Jeff Ross because we just tortured him the whole week. That was great. Yeah, there were some weird ones. Lewinsky was a guest host one week. There were some that weren't great. We had some magician. I think I remember that. There was a psychic. That one went badly. He was going to go through the old Hollywood studio and

find where the ghosts were. He was there all week or he was just- He was there. I think his name was John Edward. And then- Oh, John Edward. He showed up and couldn't find any ghosts at all. And he was- It's like, come on, it's fake anyway.

Just pretend there's some ghosts here. Right. Yeah. Just like make one up in the elevator or anything. Make it all up. Come on. So you were here. You were part of this whole group.

Yeah. And then a lot of those guys, you know, like Jon Hamm was another one who was kind of lingering around. Yeah, yeah. And his girlfriend dated Hench's future wife and everybody kind of knew each other. But Jon Hamm What show was he on? Sisters? He was, at the time of Kimmel, he was on- Or Providence? The District. The District. It was like a lifetime cop show. Yeah.

He was on with like Bonnie Bedelia and Tajari B. Henson was also on that show. Loaded show. Bring it back. Yeah. 20 years later. So you guys, you had. Bring it back. Yeah. 20 years later. So you guys, you had this whole little crew.

Yeah. So we would just be there hanging out all the time. It was really fun. And, you know, there's musical acts. You get to come and see awesome musical acts.

You grew up here though, right? You grew up in LA? I grew, no, I grew up in Santa Cruz up in Northern California. Went to college here? I went to, yeah in northern california went to college here i went to yeah sort of i went to acting school in pasadena acting school would you do that again uh yeah sure i mean i was 18 yeah so anything was amazing just moving down here and starting acting school was just a seismic shift in my life

and so um it was formative and it was it was just a two-year school and i loved it because finally school for me was about everything I was interested in. When did you start doing the improv stuff? Oh, I didn't start doing any comedy stuff till like 15 years into my career or career in quotes because I didn't really have a career up until I did kind of just fell into comedy. That's kind of where a career sort of pieced together for me. Up until then, I was, you know, piecemealing guest spots and like the odd great role in a small role in a great movie

like Aviator and stuff like that. But it wasn't until like Step Brothersothers that and party down that i sort of something tangible started so you had done no comedy until then really no i'm no i i was like a dramatic actor for the most part i mean i grew up being a comedy person like a comedy nerd like into snl and you know three amigos and stuff that's all i was in my you know friends and i were that's all we would do money python all that stuff like any kid um but but i fancied myself a serious actor in theater school and all of that um and then uh and then it was until later on yeah that it all sort of snowballed into something else.

That sounds like John C. Reilly because he was on here, I think in November. It was kind of the same thing. Like serious actor who kind of liked comedy, but then was just good at comedy. And then all the people who made comedy just kept wanting to pull him into stuff. Which seems like that's also what happened to you. Yeah. Did you see his movie, Sisters Brothers? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was awesome. Yeah. It's on demand. It's on all those things. I think people, it didn't do well in the theaters, but I think people will eventually see it. I think it's going to be one of those. It's going to circle around.

Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. Yeah, that's sort of, I mean, the Step Brothers thing was a fluke because someone had that role and they had to pull out for some other tv for like a commitment yeah and so they had to cast it quickly and so they had these last minute auditions and i went in and just sort of had an idea of how to do this and just it was it was like this will never i'll never get this part so i just

went for it and then before i knew it i was auditioning again this time with will ferrell yeah and then i had the part and it was really crazy it was really out of no i mean at the time i was working on this ultra uh dramatic hbo show tell me you love me do you remember that show oh i wanted to talk about that okay yeah sure so i was one of my mom's favorite shows just just so you can get a glimpse of how weird i am yeah um i was between seasons on that a second season which ended up never happening but i was gonna say it was it was one and done yeah it was it was a a period for hp it was that john and cincinnati there were a couple years there where they were kind of refinding themselves it got weird yeah it was it was pre um it was like john and cincinnati tell me you love me in therapy or

in treatment which in treatment was awesome and john and cincinnati had some cool stuff too but it was just this kind of reaching period where they were redefining themselves it got super adult and super weird for like two and a half three years like both our show and in treatment were rooted in therapy sessions yeah and so it was sort of like nothing resonates with america like like two therapy shows at the same time right so a lot of prosthetic penises on that show yeah i had a prosthetic penis because they they one of the big things that show which i think is still on the hbo app and stuff yeah it is it was like these couples all dealing with their relationship through some sort of sex thing. That's right.

And so, but they really wanted to make the sex scenes realistic and they looked really realistic. They did. And then it turned out it was like fake balls, fake dicks, all that stuff. Yeah. You know, you go back, a couple of years ago, I went back and looked at that show and it's really, really good. Cynthia Moore, who created it, is brilliant. I thought that show was excellent. Yes. But you go back and look at it now, and at the time, there was nothing like that. There was nothing 100% reality-based. The tone was 100% reality. There was no reaching towards any higher tone. Yes, because this was what, 06, 07 range?

This was 06, yeah, 06 was when we were shooting. It came out in 07. And the camera work was really, it was kind of documentary-like. And you look at it, no opening credits, which at the time had never really been done. After the HBO logo, the show just started. Yeah.

And the title didn't even come up until after the show, which now doesn't sound that special. But at the time, it was this stark thing. But you watch it now, and you see it was maybe a year or two ahead of this particular style. It's really good. Well, it's really, you talk about like from a rawness standpoint. Yeah. I agree. I think it was a trendsetter.

I mean, even I remember Jane Alexander was the therapist. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Jane Alexander. And she had a sex scene in it. And it was like, whoa, even Jane Alexander is getting down on this. That was- It was just like a super raw show. It made sense.

The older folks with like an explicit sex scene was really- Yeah, nobody had done that. No. That was really interesting. That was one of those shows that if your relationship wasn't secure and you watched a whole season with whoever you were with, at some point you kind of look at each other and you're like, eh. That was a tough

one to watch with your special person. If you had a lot of shit going on with your special person, it was a tough one. Yeah, no. Was that good that you were on that show? Obviously from the chops and stuff, but did you worry you were pigeonholed as you're on this weird therapy sex show on hbo you know the

concern was certainly there that there was this there was like an explicit sex scene at least every other episode if not every episode yeah not always for us because our sonya walger who played my wife who's incredible um she and i our relationship went through like a tough period so for some of it we're like just crying about our miscarriage and going to therapy and then our marriage hits the rocks a little bit so but early on yeah it was a lot of sex scenes. So yeah, of course you have that concern, but I had faith in what Cynthia was doing, which was really unique and special. Her writing was incredible. Yeah.

So what was that? What was that like? Were you married at that point? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I ever talked to you about this. What was that like when you're in all the, like this crazy super sexual show

and you're with somebody that you're gonna have like a family with yeah um we had just been married uh when when i got that and i remember kind of like when we got the you know when you're about to do a show they send you the the contract or whatever where they're specifying every little thing they want you to do and there was a lot of stuff in the deal about um kind of how explicit they wanted to to be with it which is where we kind of specified like we'd rather go prosthetic than you know yeah it got down to like that really nitty-gritty. And we were newly married. And I really thought this show was going to be something brand new that people have not seen before.

But at the same time, I was also like, I need a job. I've never been a regular on a TV show before. Right. You know, if it was, if it was feeling like, like a Cinemax, what it was sexy after dark, what were those college co-ed?

What were those shows? You know, those Cinemax shows from like the 90s. Yeah. If it felt like that, no, of course. You're like a detective. Yes. In Hawaii. Exactly. A Hawaiian detective. 90s yeah if it felt like that no of course you're like a detective yes why exactly um a hawaiian detective but it was shot in burbank it's fine clearly there's only three playboy playmates in this it's fine um i i i wanted a job desperately wanted to be on a show and stuff um and so i had to really kind of think am i doing this just because i want a job or do i

really think this is something uh kind of revolutionary in its little way and i and i really truly did i had to really kind of think about it because um well you found out you had a strong relationship yeah oh she found out yeah naomi and Sonia became really good friends and they still are do you guys have input on like the prosthetic balls or anything like color like hey that color is too light I don't remember having any say but I do remember you know there was a scene where i had the prosthetic on and there was a um it was uh hooked up to a a hose that went through the couch i was sitting on um and there was a a prop guy behind the couch with a pump and it and it shot hair conditioner out what i don't remember this yeah this was i think this was the first episode episode one oh my god um and the scene that it's for is sonja giving me a hand job because she's obsessed

with pregnancy and she gives me a hand job and then has the the uh the the the cum in her in her hand and she just ends up just like looking at the properties of it in her hand and like it's it's it's like clinical like she's just so obsessed with getting pregnant so the the end of that scene the the kind of end point for why we were hooking this silly thing up and was really interesting yeah it wasn't just like to have a cum shot in the show. It was so we could end on this point with this woman, just like this mysterious fluid. I just, I need this baby. It was a really interesting kind of end to it.

That's why all that stuff was totally, I wasn't, I didn't feel weird about any of it because the- Because it's smart. weird about any of it because the. Because it's smart. The main objective of it was an interesting. I remember that made Entertainment Weekly's top 50 come scenes when they had that issue. Yeah, they have that issue every year. It was like, I think it was the 18th.

And I'm always like, God, what can I do to get back on that list? How do we get higher? I got to get back on that list. So you do that show. And then all of a sudden, two years later, you're doing comedy with Will Ferrell and John C. Rowling. And we did, we've done some, last year we did some Step Brothers stuff because it was 10 year anniversary.

We did like a Rewatchables podcast. We did oral history. I'm stunned by the legs that movie has. It has become now kind of one of the OG comedies that people just mentioned. It gets passed down to new generations. It's on TV all the time. It's awesome. Shows no sign of ending either.

It's the kind of movie that if I wasn't in it, I would see it over and over again. It's one of those um i remember when the tell me you love me got canceled the weekend the stepbrothers came out like we were about to start shooting second season yeah and stepbrothers came out and that got canceled like the next day and it was sort of like a sign like oh maybe i should take advantage of Yeah. And it was so fun to work with those guys. Maybe I can keep doing that sort of thing. Cause that was a real, that was a blast. And then you get Party Down,

which is like the ultimate people either loved it or didn't know about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is kind of the sweet spot. People still kind of don't know about it, but the thing that's kind of special that people that do kind of feel ownership over it because it's not some giant thing.

You're like a little indie band or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was great. Yeah, so that happened. That was two seasons, right? Yeah, we did two seasons. So there's 20 of them out there, which isn't a small amount.

I guess it is. If Twitter was the way it is now, I think that show keeps going. Because I think there would have been a mob mentality with keeping it alive. Yeah. And it just would have kept going. Almost like what happened with Brooklyn 999 when it got canceled. Everybody lost their shit. And all of a sudden, somebody else is picking it up.

But at the time, what ended up being the series finale it was on stars and people didn't really know that the series finale had 13 000 viewers so it was not when it was on it was not a even like a an indie hit it was just a thing that was on that no one knew about it was after when it went up on hulu and netflix that people really started kind of well i still i still felt like when it was on and maybe just because i live out here it was definitely kind of a thing like people knew yeah it was probably like la new york and that's it like if you're in kansas city yeah um i remember there was, so the concept of that show, for people who never saw it, you guys were a catering company.

Yeah. Just going to these different, so each episode was basically, you went here, you went there, and stuff happened. Each episode's a different party. Yeah. One of them was a porn party. That's right. And it's like one of the funniest half hours of the last 15 years okay

that was my personal favorite oh good it was just so fucking funny yeah what was that guy's name ken marino ken marino yeah he's like dials it up in that one ron donald uh ends up having a giant dick of course the the porn producers at this party were like okay come here listen we need to talk yeah the recruiting yeah he's like lebron as a free agent exactly that was great so that so now that has a second life because of the streaming i guess that's where people discovered it and and we'd love to try and figure out a way to get everyone back together and do do more of them maybe sometime down the road. I don't know, maybe, maybe not. But everyone's on that show is so great

and everyone's, it was so fun. It was really fun because not being discovered, having no one really knowing about the show, by and large, no one really knowing about the show was and large no one really knowing about the show was part of what made making it so special is that we just felt like we were doing this for ourselves and we were having more fun than anyone in the world and this was we're making the best show we don't care if anyone so it was like this kind of like we were a street gang or something yeah really really fun um lizzie caplan yeah lizzie can break it out of her mean girls because she was the uh mean girls character with the goth and yeah it's like i had this whole other side um you had a

couple shows that the streaming really gave it a second i mean parks and rec and good place were popular anyway but i think the streaming for sure i know has i know i saw with my daughter like she banged out every good place and you know like five days yeah because that's where my kids watch it too it's all 22 minutes goes to the next one bang out three in an hour yep we were just watching we've been watching key and peel with our kids oh really just sit down and watch like six of them. It's so fun. We watched this weekend, we watched nine episodes of All American. Oh, yeah. On Netflix. It's a CW show.

Is it good? My son likes it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good, right? It was great. It's got like a little OC. It's got a little One Tree Hill. It's got a little White Shadow. It's got all these different Friday Night Lights. All these different shows that I've liked. Little pieces of it. That's cool. It's good. If you live in LA too, it's

a good one. Oh yeah. I should watch that with him. Because my son's really into football so he kind of discovered that. How old are your kids now? My son is 12 and daughter is 10. Oh, so you're at the age now where they're watching your stuff yeah yeah they haven't watched parks and rec yet solely because

i'm on it they just figure like why watch that but they love like the office and uh good place and oh the office is another i mean, it's streaming with that one. So fun. I feel like the office is, is going to be potentially eternal at least for the next like 30, 35 years of, for sure. Cause the syndication,

it seems like it's slowly drifting into that Seinfeld spot of, yeah, you're just flicking channels and it's always five channels. Yeah. And then it's always on one of these streaming services. And I'm sure eventually one of the streaming services will just they're all gonna like carve out their own content and launch their own things well i heard that that that it's not going to be on netflix much longer it shouldn't be because it's been so huge on there they're

moving it to the to the universal streaming Isn't that what they're doing? Yeah. That's what I heard anyway. That's what's going to happen. Yeah. All these places are going to realize don't give Netflix or IP. I guess so. I guess that's.

We did that. They bought 30 for 30 from us. I don't know, like 2012. On Netflix? Yeah. And we thought it was great because we'd already done the episodes. They're like,

oh, cool. They're giving us more money for things we already did? Yeah. Great. And then not realizing that Netflix was this evil genius that's snapping up all this IP. Do they have it forever? No, they just had it for like two, three years.

Oh, okay. From like 13 to 15, that's how they basically built their business. They were paying all these people for things. They were like, really? Sure. You're giving me a check for that? Great. Yeah.

And then they get a whole business out of it. Pretty smart. So smart. So which show did people mention to you the most? Parks and Rec. Yeah? Yeah, for sure. Let's take a quick break to talk about Big Little Live, our Twitter postgame show for Big Little Lies. Watch it on HBO. It ends. Go to Twitter. Go to at ringer or go to hashtag Big Little Live and watch the show with Amanda Dobbins and Mina Kimes from ESPN.

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wherever you get your podcasts, including the rewatchables where we did Dead Poets Society this week. And that was super fun. Neil! Anyway, back to Out of Scott. Tell me about Big Little S. The, yeah, season two is,

I haven't, I'm gonna watch it along with everyone else. Even though I know everything that happens I haven't seen the finished episodes yet but I'm really excited season 2 is really juicy Meryl Streep is in it now I've heard of her

she's a good kid I think she's gonna do well we're all rooting for her a lot of potential a lot of potential She's a good kid. I think she's going to do well. Yeah. We're all rooting for her. A lot of potential. A lot of potential. A lot of potential. But we'll see. We'll see how she does.

You're married to Reese on that show, right? Yes. Yeah. I watched all of them, but I haven't seen them since I watched them. Yeah. Yeah. Reese is great. What?

Not the most functional marriage. No. The marriage has its challenges. But I think also there's so much dysfunction on that show that I'm always hoping for at least one of those relationships to pull through. To make it. Yeah. But, you know, who knows which one that's going to be. But yeah, season two is going to be really, really fun for everyone. I'm excited it's back.

I love the first one. Yeah, we're doing a whole Twitter post game show for it. Oh, cool. It's just, I love those seven episode shows. Yeah. What about Game of Thrones? Were you, did you wish this last season was longer? it was just I love those seven episode shows yeah this new model what about Game of Thrones were you

did you wish this last season was longer or were you not a Game of Thrones watcher oh I was Game of Thrones watcher yeah

we we milked it for all the content possible okay okay here at the ringer yeah oh yeah

the watch we did yeah the watch is great we had binge mode we did the post-game show. Yeah, we did a whole bunch of stuff. On the way here, I was hitting refresh

on my podcast app, waiting for the new ringer with Andy Greenwald. I've got to know what they thought about last night. Well, now Andy's a showrunner. You got to, you might be acting for him at some point in your life. Is he going to be doing the post-finale kind of commentary today? Yes.

Okay, good. I think so. I hope so. At some point he'll do it if it's not today. Yeah. Yeah, the, you know, it's weird. Obviously the internet now exists just to get mad about everything and people felt such ownership about the show.

Oh, I thought, thought honestly i thought that was ridiculous but go ahead no that's what i'm saying i like i don't know what people kind of want it's never going to be perfect um i think the one fair criticism is just like it because i watched the first four like i think four seasons recently trying to get remember whoever sure it's been so long and the show had a certain pace to it and it was really deliberate yeah and then when something big happened it felt momentous yeah and i think over these last two years because they were on this race to finish it the pace was off a little bit where you know it was increased yeah yeah and i wish there had just been more episodes

so they could have kept the same kind of pace. I still think it's an incredible television show. I thought last week's, the second to last episode, I thought that was incredible. I couldn't believe that people were mad about it after. Me too. I'm saying those were the best 80 minutes I've ever seen in my life.

Here's my biggest problem with the uproar from the penultimate episode, which was Dany's turn was, it's not like they hadn't led breadcrumbs to it. First of all, she had had some homicidal tendencies throughout the years and Tyrion had kind of been pulling her back as well as Varys and talking her back from the ledge a couple times but she also had this inherent goodness to her but things were shaky with her and but the big turn had to be shocking and had to be sudden otherwise Tyrion and Jon Snow would have stopped her because they were

getting warnings from everywhere and they were just like no she it's it's okay like they were hesitant and a little freaked out that day that things could go bad but they in their heart of hearts thought she was gonna do the right thing If it was clear that she was going to, that she was taking an evil turn, they wouldn't have let it happen. So if it was crystal clear and there was a perfect roadmap up to that turn, we would have had a huge problem

with Jon Snow and Tyrion as characters for not stopping it. Does that make sense? I'm with you. And I also feel like she did have stuff happen to her that made it likely that she was gonna snap. Like she lost the dragon. She found out that the guy she thought she was gonna marry

was like her nephew. That's a problem. That's a problem. Her best friend was beheaded right in front of her. That's a problem. And she couldn't trust anyone around her. She knew that eventually Jon Snow was more likely to get the throne than her because of the way everyone responded around her.

And she kind of lost her shit. I actually thought it was realistic. Yeah, she could see that people just inherently loved him. Yeah. And she decided, she says, I need to rule with fear. Also, are we really going to nitpick with the intentions and motivations

of somebody who can walk through fire and gave birth to three dragons? That's the thing. People always took this show so seriously and I never really understood it. They're like, the way the show treats women. It's like, they treat everyone show treats women. It's like,

they treat everyone horribly. Yeah, everyone gets sliced and diced. Yeah. What are you talking about? You know, I mean, quibbles here and there is fine

because you're going to have that with anything. But some of the uproar I saw, like David and Dan, we want to remake the season. Like, it's insane. Remake the season with new did you see that i mean that is bonkers like if you're watching television and something is different than the

specific thing you had in your head and that upset like that's so that's why i think breaking bad was like the only one people were truly happy with at the end. Because they knew the whole time how it was going to end. Once you don't know how something's going to end, you want it to end the way you want it. So think about it. People were so pissed off at Seinfeld. I had, I think five years ago, I had Larry David on my podcast when I was at ESPN. And we talked about the Seinfeld thing for like 10 minutes and he hadn't really talked about it, but he's kind of pissed off about the people that took it so personally.

Yeah, it's so weird. It's the last show, it's fine. Yeah. It has to end somehow. Yeah. It can't end the way, so you have that, the Sopranos, that made people crazy. Yeah.

Lost made people crazy. Yeah. It's basically every show except Breaking Bad made everybody crazy. It's a losing battle no matter what you do, I guess, which is a testament

to how good your show is that people care that much ultimately. And I get having a huge investment in something. I mean, Phantom Menace

broke my heart. So there you go. I get it too.ace broke my heart. So there you go. I get it too. So, you know, I totally get it. I guess with Game of Thrones, I just didn't see the huge problem. I thought it was effectively carried out. Like you said, the pace was accelerated the last two seasons. But once you accept that and go on that ride with them, it's great.

It just needed like 10 more scenes of characters hanging out with nuance that it just didn't seem like it had the time to do. Yeah. I mean, it used to be the journey from Winterfell to King's Landing would take an entire season or at least four or five episodes. And then in season seven, they were making the journey back and forth. In one episode, they would just arrive somewhere else. So they were just cranking the timeline up just so- Sounds like you're mad you weren't cast on the show. What role would you have wanted? Oh my God. Little Finger is the best role. There is not one role I could pull off in that show.

Come on, you could have been Little Finger. Little Finger was a great role. That guy was great. That's a good role. Oh my God, he was awesome. Would you have wanted to be a eunuch or no? Oh yeah, well, I'm essentially a eunuch in real life. So he was terrific too. Oh my God.

What great acting on that show. It was funny. We ended up with Brandon the Broken as our king. Yeah. And then Grey Worm the eunuch running the Unsullied. Yeah. It was really all hell broke loose. So were the Unsullied, they were leaving forever at the end, right? Never got a feel for the Unsullied. Yeah. It was really all hell broke loose. So were the Unsullied,

they were leaving forever at the end, right? Never got a feel for the Unsullied. Yeah. But last night- And was there a Sullied? Was there a second like arrival of the Sullied? It's the inverse of the Unsullied. Yeah.

So where were they? Does Unsullied mean no genitalia? Is that what that means? Kyle? Let's go with that. Okay. Kyle's our Game of Thrones historian. Oh, did you read all that means? Kyle? Let's go with that. Okay. Kyle's our Game of Thrones historian. Oh, did you read all the books, Kyle?

No, no. I watched Closer. He's also my nephew, so we watched all of them. So anytime my wife and I didn't understand what was going on, we would ask Kyle. Sometimes he would know. Other times, no. But at the end of last night's episode,

they were all getting on ships to leave forever. Yeah, exactly. Where were they going? They were ships to leave forever yeah yeah exactly where were they going to i believe where misande his girl was from okay go like help him out like free everybody i think that was the move yeah um gray worm i still think he kills john snow at the end yeah maybe or at least tries to maim him or something that was how okay my big question was how long was a period of time from when he kills danny to when they have the council how long were they in prison on the show it was like the next moment it was the next moment everybody knew about it apparently it had been on

the internet so it had to be like a few months, right? Because it was on Twitter, obviously. I think we're supposed to tell the time by Tyrion's facial hair. The beards. Yeah. And then he got it nice and trim, so we knew some more time had passed. I thought it was like six months. My wife thought it was a few weeks. But they don't say, do they?

Okay. I think if you're going to criticize them for anything, they kind of missed with Bran Stark, the actor. It's tough with the child actors. You just never know. But I just wanted more from Bran Stark. I don't think the stare off into the distance can be your only move with that role. But once you're the three-eyed raven raven maybe that's all it was max von seidel doing more than staring off

into uh when he was before he died was that kind of his thing yeah why did it get so dark on the sun what just happened are we getting invaded where there's a dragon that flew in front of the sun that last dragon came back um so you got big little eyes what's next for you you know i have a show that i'm really excited about um but we haven't completely dotted the i's and crossed the t's so i can't which is so stupid and pretentious sounding, but I can't say anything about it yet, but I'm excited to do so when I can. But I'm going to start that soon. Cool. Yeah.

I think we hit everything. Yeah. I'm sorry I can't talk about sports really, other than- I wasn't expecting sports for you today. I know. I know when you guys can't talk about sports there's no better person to talk about it with than you so I wish I had more more uh

no I knew the sports thing wasn't going to be there oh I forgot to ask you I had two more questions oh by the way the the when we were talking about Meryl Streep and making jokes about her being a young upstart, she is both incredible and the coolest. I didn't want to leave it on a sarcastic note. She is so, so cool and as incredible as you would hope. Yeah, I forgot to ask you because you've worked with a lot of interesting people. So I thought, say the name, one thing you learned from them. We'll start with- Oh my God.

Leo, from their process or their general state of being. One thing you learned from Leo. From him, and this was a while ago now, but just focus and just always where I was just impressed with how hard that guy was working. Like locked in constantly. Yeah. And not like he's in character all the time or anything like that, but just working his ass off. How about Scorsese?

Just so collaborative. Just always interested in what everyone's bringing to the table like there are a couple there are lines in in um in aviator that uh that that i not improvised as like improvised like early on like words i would find in like an old 1920s slang dictionary and bring it and he's like that's great yeah and so it's in the aviator, you know? Yeah. And everyone is like that. Everyone's welcome to bring their own thing to the table. And that's why he gets such wonderful performances is he's letting everyone just sort of grow on camera, just include and be alive while it's happening. It's really a great thing to be a part of,

but also really fun to watch him with actors. McKay's like that too, right? Yes. Yeah, totally. That's like his calling card. Yeah. Just whatever you got, bring it and we'll try it all. That's what, with McKay, it was what I really learned.

And Scorsese too, was just try it all. And if it's not working, just don't use it. Like who cares? Like the preciousness is gone. Just give it a shot. What about Farrell? I didn't learn anything from him.

Same thing. He and McKay was kind of one there. They're really lovely, sweet guys. And I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I had never improvised before. So I was really lost to see. They were very generous to me in the cutting room on that movie, for sure.

But when I came out the other side of that movie, I felt like I had learned a lot. And by the time it ended, I felt like I had I could at least improvise and and and I kind of understood what they were doing. But for a lot of it, I was I was I they were I was kind of in over my head. But, you know, I think it but you know i think they love that though they love that yeah that's what i think when we did the oral history they were talking about how they threw you into this tornado yeah if they were kind of enjoyed how you were yeah you know like the rookie in this whole thing just kind of coming up with things that they wouldn't have thought of man it was it was really fun it's quite an experience and and really really

fun what about polar uh she's just the best just the most generous uh and every time we had so many scenes together over the years and every time we did um it was always special There was always just a, I never took it for granted. And I know she didn't with that whole show. She was always so engaged and interested in everything that, again, that everyone was bringing to it and gave everyone room, like the most generous scene partner. And she's a leader of the crew of actors there and really important to her that everyone has room to shine and do their thing, which is not as common as you would think. She's a really great person and and clearly a great actress as well how about mike shore again nothing i have nothing to say uh uh

mike's a brilliant person and and a a great guy um and so you, hell of a travel baseball parent. He runs, he's the guy that runs the box score thing for our little app. We, our sons are on the same team. Yeah. He's putting in like strike balls outs that make walking around with this hat on like inputting stuff. Yeah. At all. Really into it.

I, half his tweets, I don't understand because this is baseball stats i think joe mandy tweets back i don't care otherwise i would uh reese witherspoon uh so fun and uh just an impressive person. Put together. She is so- Another one who I think is going to make it. Yeah, I think she might do all right. And again, I'm pulling for her. Yeah, me too. She's a really smart, impressive person.

And what an incredible actor too. Good Lord. Is it when somebody's involved with running a show, but they're also acting on the show, what's the balance with that? You know, I think that there's a way to do it that you watch someone like Polar, you watch Reese, that's just graceful.

And when you're acting, you're just focused on that. Right. It's like two people. Yeah. And in between takes, you can be thinking about what it is you want to tweak, especially if you're directing at the same time. It's not that hard. It just depends on if you have the mind for it or not. Yeah.

Yeah. The other one, question I forgot to ask you was. It is hard. I'm just, they make it look easy, I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah,

I imagine it's hard. Was there one part that you were like, oh man, that part. Oh, yeah. God. So many.

If only that one. I've, oh my God. I mean, I auditioned for all the Scream movies. Did you really? Oh yeah. I know what you did last summer. I was here for all of that. Oh yeah.

Cause you were in, weren't you in Party of Five? I was. Yeah. I was on Party of Five. I love that show. Yeah. Who were you in Party of Five? I don't remember.

I was, I was just on for a few episodes. You didn't convince Bailey to start drinking, did you? No. Yeah, he had an alcohol thing, right? It was tough, man. Tough intervention in that show. They were all nice. Scott Wolf and all of them, they were so kind.

I was only on for like half a season or something. I actually, I feel like I got sort of fired. They just stopped using me because i remember we were on a location in san francisco and nev campbell and i had a scene where we're walking across the street and a cable car kind of goes by right behind us so it's a big expensive shot and they were on a crane and stuff and i kept forgetting my. So they kept having to back the cable car up and do it over and over. Oh, Jesus.

And now being older and having produced stuff, I know like, well, we can't keep using this guy if he's gonna not be able to remember lines when we have a cable car going. Yeah. But that was, yeah. So I, yeah, so I was, I've been around since all that stuff.

So, I mean, I auditioned for all that shit. Did you ever do a cup of coffee on 90210 or no? I did audition for 90210 for a guest spot once. Jason Priestley was directing, and I remember he was directing me in the audition. And then I did not get the role. So you met Scorsese and Priestley. Yep. Priestley rejected me.

Scorsese hired me. Wow, so youley rejected me. Scorsese hired me. Wow, so you're really out here hitting all the staples. Dawson's Creek? No. One Tree Hill? No. No. Didn't audition for those.

Melrose Place, I think, was done by the time I got here. That's too bad. Yeah, I know. That's a real bummer. Could have been like a bar back at the bar. I could have done so much with one of those roles. Shit. It would have been great.

But then back then, like not getting the role on 90210 or whatever guest spot it was, such a bummer. Ham's been on this podcast a bunch of times and we always end up talking about that mid that 96 to 2000 yeah we just had all these young people out here yeah you know the generation x yeah people what are you gonna do i don't know you move to hollywood because that's other people have done that and then you're out here and you're just kind of fighting you're running into the same people at every audition at every bar fascinating times now i think the internet's probably made it a lot easier to get discovered and or at least kind of know where to go and what to do you can make your own stuff now yeah you with the when i was starting like if you wanted to make your own movie you had

to somehow get all this equipment right cameras they can do with your iphone and shit yeah you can make a great looking movie on your phone. And if it's good, then people will pay attention to it. We had Steven Soderbergh at Sundance. We did a pod with him. He's really interesting. Yeah. We were just talking about this next generation of whoever,

now that the equipment is so cheap and so easy, like what's going to happen? Like my daughter, my daughter's 14. She has friends who like make little mini movies already, but they can do it so easily and edit it. Well, of course, Soderbergh made his last movie on the iPhone. Right. That's how we were talking about it. And I was like, you think you're going to inspire people to make movies on iPhones?

I don't know. But I mean, the way they did it, they, you know, they they had these he's the best person who's gonna make a movie on an iPhone but it's still like other people could do versions well he used that incredible lens yeah I don't know what what lens he attached to his phone but that movie high-flying birds that was that was cool lens oh it's great I like that movie did you see the Nick did you watch the Nick I never watched Nick. We had Chris and Andy love that show. It's, you got to watch the, you and your wife should sit down

and watch those two seasons. Soderbergh directed all of them. Yeah. And it is unbelievable. It's the best show in the last few years. Wow. Oh, it's incredible. Interesting.

Better than Party Down? Well, yeah. It's kind of the Party Down of 19th century hospital shows. Or 20, early 20th century. Early 20th century grisly hospital shows. Yeah, yeah. That's right. I'll put it on my radar.

Me too. Adam Scott, great to do this finally. Thanks, Bill. Good luck with Big Little Lies. Thanks for having me. Good luck with everything. Yeah, thanks for coming on. You too.

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