The Bill Simmons Podcast - Tua!!! Plus: Tampa’s No-Show, the Weirdo NFC + 2020 Election Bad Beats With Cousin Sal and Joe House

Episode Date: November 9, 2020

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal and Joe House to discuss NFL Week 9, including an electrifying battle between Tua Tagovailoa and Kyler Murray in the Dolphins' win over the Cardinals, Colts-Ravens, the Buccaneers getting steamrolled by the Saints, another gritty Chargers loss against the Raiders, Panthers-Chiefs, and more (3:00). Then Bill and Sal guess the NFL lines for Week 10 (44:00), which is followed by Parent Corner (1:17:00). Then House rejoins the group to discuss the gambling odds for the 2020 presidential election (1:29:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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breaking down a bizarre weekend of football. But first, Pearl Jam. All right, Cousin Sal is here. Joe House joining us for the first half of the podcast. The reason is because I drove back from Arizona today and had to patch together the entire football day, which I did. I feel actually much better about it than I thought I would. Red zone on my iPhone.

My daughter had a game. It was like right second half of the first game. So I didn't, I wasn't watching unless she wasn't playing or it was halftime going back on, checking out and then got to hear everything in the, in the late games, which were fantastic. And, uh, and then the Sunday night game, which is a disaster. I want to start with Tua versus Kyler Murray because I listened to this on the radio and it was the Arizona announcers and the one guy talks like this. I don't know if you've ever heard of

him. Who's that? I don't know whoever the color guy was. But it really sounded like Tua looked like the guy. Sal, what'd you think? It was back and forth. And like you said, those late afternoon games, all three of them were great. Las Vegas Chargers, Cowboys, Steelers. Unfortunately, I really would have rather not pay attention to that. I wanted to

focus on Tua and Kyler Murray, but I had to split my time. But every time I looked up and every time I saw those guys had the ball, either of them, great things happen. It's so much better watching guys who could take off these young quarterbacks, right? I mean, even in a way, you know, we see Brady, I don't want to jump around too much, but Brady, Breeze to a lesser extent, Roethlisberger, just kind of statues out there when you put pressure on them. It's like the drive is over if you put pressure on them. But a guy like Kyler just was great. And, you know, Tua was what? He ran for 35 yards.

He had 248 in the air, two touchdowns, 20 for 28. You couldn't ask for more out of him. And a big win on the road. How so? We have Miami at 6-1 to win the AFCs, which took a hit with Buffalo beating Seattle, which we'll talk about later. But the thing we were worried about was,

is Tua for real? He did not look good last week. And this week, looked like the guy we're talking about. So what'd you think? Yeah, this is the version of Tua. It's like the best case scenario. And it's the version of Tua

that I think we saw in the very first moments that he walked on the field at Alabama. He has this poise, this instinct, he's not cowed by the moment. And it was a little bit concerning last week. Now, last week was such a weird game against the Rams that the other phases of what Miami brought to the table really made it so that Tua didn't have to do too much. And they didn't really ask him to do very much. They asked him to do a lot this game. I mean, it really did come down to his decision-making, which was outstanding, his accuracy, which was excellent, his legs, which were great. And it was a super exciting matchup him and kyler i mean give us 10 more years of that can i just say you know he's got all those things he's got poise he's got great you know he's got insight he's got good field awareness all those things you know what

else he has he has motivation because there are some people who still think ryan fitzpatrick should be the quarterback of that team that's one one. Number two, his brother is outstanding at Maryland. I know you guys probably haven't seen him play yet. They killed Penn State. They're like a 30-point underdog, and they beat him. So he's got a lot of these factors going for him, and he's rising to the occasion. Well, and then he had a whole week of Burrow and Herbert. What about Tua? Are they showcasing him? All. Sal, I'm not a huge college football guy, although I have a habit of always stumbling into the most important game. Like last night, Clemson-Notre Dame,

I somehow saw the fourth quarter and the overtimes. But Tua, until he got hurt, people thought he was like the all-time sure thing, right? Were you in that camp? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was a clear number one over Lawrence. No question before he got hurt. Yeah. Yeah. So this Miami thing, and there are still a game back from Buffalo, but they have, uh, they play them week 17. And I think what surprised me about the game

today was that their defense didn't actually do that well. Cause Kyler Murray was kind of carving them up, but they got the big stop when they needed it. To me, Kyler got lost in this game. He's been getting better. I have him in fantasy. He had over 40 points in both the leagues that I have him. I mean, his over yards, his over rushing yards are like 54. You want to talk about gambling and fantasy? He's expected to have like 44, 54 yards rushing a game.

He had 106. He goes over every week. He was 21 to 26 passing. He's like expected to have like 44, 54 yards rushing game. He had 106. He goes over every week. He was 21 to 26 passing. It's just kind of perfect. You just can't pick is the problem. The Arizona announcers got real excited in the fourth quarter because there was this window that was opening where it was like, wow, we could have the best record in the NFC.

Yeah. And I'm going 109 miles an hour on the 10. I'm like, what? I'm like, should I look at this on my phone and try to figure out if this is true? But, you know, Seattle lost. And right now... You mean the NFC West?

The best record of the NFC West? No, well, they could have been tied with Green Bay. They could have been 6-2. And the Saints? And the Saints 6-2 and Green Bay 6-2. So they would have been tied in a first place tie for a number one seed tie. So they were getting all excited about that

and then it fell apart. But House, it's not inconceivable, right? That we could, that could have been a Super Bowl preview. Which? I mean, it's Miami, Arizona. It's not the most ridiculous start ever. No, I'm just saying Arizona it's not the most ridiculous no I'm just saying it's not ridiculous let's look up the odds

and put five dollars on it just because we said it on the pod and you know it's a fun and funny thing

alright let me ask you this how many how many more teams in the AFC right now do you like more than Miami

do you well more than Miami? I'll give you Pittsburgh, I'll give you Baltimore, I'll give you Kansas City. What are we talking about? Are we talking one game where Miami has to go play at all those teams? I'm just saying, AFC right now, who do you like more? I gave you three teams. Do you like Buffalo more

right now than Miami? Nah, I think that's a toss-up. It depends who shows up that game. These teams are all kind of interchangeable, but I think those three that you mentioned, KC, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. They're all better. Cleveland, I like them more. Do you like them more than Tennessee right now

from what we've seen halfway through the year? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think Tennessee's full of crap. Yeah, I'm with Cuz. I put Tennessee and Buffalo in the same category, and I think they're both a notch down from the top three. Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and Baltimore. Indianapolis, you hurt your feelings today.

Hey, if Phillip Rivers continues to be the quarterback of Indianapolis, they're going to be lucky to win nine games. He's awful. I couldn't believe you liked him today. He's effing awful. House had a classic feast or famine. He loved the Saints, but he also loved the Colts, so he

split that one. I didn't even talk to you guys about it, and I had all my bets on the Colts this week. This was one of the things where everybody liked the Ravens, but the line was moving down. It couldn't get to three, and then the Colts ended up being in favor. I'm like, there's no way all my idiot friends are going to be right about this, and the they couldn't get to three. And then the Colts ended up being favorite. I'm like, there's no way all my idiot friends are going to be right about this.

And the Ravens are going to win. I'm taking the Colts. And not only that, I'm taking them plus 11 and a half on a teaser. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I teased him up to eight and a half. And I thought we might get a backdoor touchdown. But Jesus, the only backdoor that Philip Rivers falls into is his wife. Come on.

That's terrible. They have a dozen kids. They do have a lot of children. What do you want me to do? Well, we should mention Indianapolis scored on their first drive. They're up 7-0. And it was like 1-0-3 on the East Coast. They were up 7-0 and they scored three points after that.

Jonathan Taylor, as bad as Phil Rivers is, and as much as you can never get him to convert on a fourth and five or a fourth and three, Jonathan Taylor's fumble killed him. I mean, the Ravens had no momentum at all, and then he fumbles and they take it back to the house. He's not even playing that well, Taylor. I don't know what that team looks like. That's the problem with Indianapolis, though.

They can't afford any mistakes. If they make one mistake, they lose. Well, the funny thing with Taylor, everything's everything he's shown as a rookie. And I do not watch college football, but it was as advertised incredible athlete. So fast can, can be a three down back game breaker, but he puts the ball on the ground.

That doesn't usually fix itself in the, in, in the pros where they hit harder and they're faster and they're stronger. I have one more Miami question. Do you like them more than Las Vegas? Like as a city? No, no, no. Oh, I don't know.

I kind of think they're as bad. I know Arizona scored 31, but I count on Dolphins' defense, and we saw it early against the, yeah. I think overall I like them better than Las Vegas. House? I do too. I like Miami better than Las Vegas. So? I do, too. I like Miami better than Las Vegas. So we all believe right now Miami is the fourth best team in the AFC.

They're in that category. I think we're doing tiers. I think they belong in the same conversation as Tennessee and Buffalo. And honestly, Las Vegas does belong in that same tier. Those are the seven playoff teams in the AFC. But if you lost to Buffalo again, which they could, then they'd be two back of them. And then you'd be like, no, Buffalo's better, right?

I mean, it goes week to week with these things. Right now, they're a game and a half behind Buffalo. I screwed that up. All right, NFC. Who do you like more than Arizona other than the Saints, who we'll talk about in a second? Do you like anybody in the NFC East more than Arizona? I do not.

No. Come on. Do you like the Packers more than Arizona? I do. I think I'm one of the few that love the Packers every week, even though they lose every other game so far. You don't like them. I got to be honest.

From an upside standpoint, I think I like Arizona more. Okay. Because of the Kyler because I really do feel like he's getting better each week and there's a ceiling with him that I think Green Bay, we kind of know what they are. I don't really know. They're kind of

the good bad team that can occasionally hang with the good team. What do you think, House? The answer to that question depends on who Arizona has in their backfield because the single biggest vulnerability of Green Bay is their rush defense. And if Drake isn't playing, then I like Green Bay better. If Drake's playing, then I think it's more of an even kind of status. And also, we've seen very few games where Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones,

and Devontae Adams have played together. Very few. All right, so we'll say that's a toss-up. And then NFC West, from what I've seen, especially after whatever that'll happen to Seattle today, and you feel like Seattle's 6-2 and they pulled two games out of the deep recesses of their rectum and they have real defensive problems. I think Arizona's the best team in that division right now.

If we're going to say who, who looks the best going forward, which roster would you want? I, you know, you'd be like, I don't want to go against Russell Wilson, all that stuff.

But Seattle's defense, I don't know what's going on with that. I think Arizona has got a slightly higher upside house. They have one factor though, that you've pointed out on text, which is what? You're not sure that he's playing with a full deck. I've used some unkind language as it relates to Coach Cliff.

But I will say this. We already had a referendum on this. Arizona and Seattle played, and Arizona beat Seattle. And I also want to just make a quick observation. It's a data point. You know, you had Russell on this podcast. Yeah. And his record since the time that he appeared on here

oh no is is not great it's one and two it is one and two it's the true fact i hope it's it's not uh the negative bump the bs podcast negative oh i'll give you four four turnovers today three turnovers against arizona that's seven turnovers since he came on your podcast, Bill. Pete Carroll said that he couldn't recognize this defense in the postgame press. I was like, really? No, it's the same one from two weeks ago. He played tough against Arizona or San Francisco last week.

But no, no, no. It's the same kind of defense. But I do want to tell, like, Dunlop is back. Dunlop's on the team now. Adams is back. Those guys played well and they played well in the last couple weeks you know if they played you look at their numbers not that bad uh I think they had seven sacks and they still gave up a million points I can't put my

finger on it and like no rushing yards the two total rushing yards in Buffalo Seattle was 91 there are incredible stats we never saw growing up where teams are rushing for 30 yards and winning games. It's unbelievable. That was the game plan. Buffalo completely rewrote their... I think they threw on 22 of the first 24 offensive plays they

had or something like that. It was an insane number of pass to run ratio. 805 passing yards between the two teams. How's the podcast with Warren Sharp on Friday and Sharp laid pass to run ratio. 805 passing yards between the two teams. It's really football is different. House did a podcast with Warren Sharp on Friday and Sharp laid out this whole case for don't give up on

Buffalo yet. Basically saying there's signs that their offense might be better than we think it is because they had that weird Tennessee game. They had two bad weather games and he was just like, I'm not ready to think that this offense bad weather games. And he was just like, I'm not ready to think that this offense isn't good. And then

they were awesome in this game. And Sal has $1 Josh Allen in our fantasy league. But I don't know what to make of Buffalo anymore. I think I've been wrong on them probably 80% of the time so far this year. I'm going to stay away from them, from gambling.

You, for some reason, don't want them to be the team that usurps the Patriots. I want it to be Miami. You want it to be Miami. We could say Brian Flores took over from Belichick. He's carrying the legacy in the division. Right. Wait, I have one more either-or question.

Would you rather be Tampa going forward right now or Arizona? Oh, man. Again, I don't know what kind of defense we're getting with Tampa. I thought they righted the ship there. I thought they righted it with penalties, but tonight what we saw, I don't even know what the hell we saw.

Everyone was bad on that team, but you know, you, you, you, I know you want to point it this way and like, who's better. And if we want to rank them,

that's one thing. But with that NFC West, I could see any of them winning the Super Bowl. I could see any of them get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. That's just how it is. I don't think I'm going to change that. I want to propose to you top five favorite offenses to watch right now. Well, I know you love the Chargers. I think I put the Chargers in my three.

Wow. Casey's in there, right? Chiefs are one. I think Cardinals two. I put Chargers three. I know everyone's like, oh, you're crazy. The Seahawks. I like the Chargers.

I'm kind of bored with the Seahawks. I know that's stupid to say. Then you got the Bengals and Bucs when the Bucs are rolling. But those are my three there. What do you say? I like the Bengals call. Mm-hmm. And

Pittsburgh will be fun at some point, right? Yeah, I guess. Don't you think? It doesn't feel like they've figured out the run pass balance correctly yet, but I do feel like that offense is going to have a moment. I got to say,

I can't wait to watch Tua now, the way he played. I'm in on all the rookie quarterbacks. I love those guys. What a class. What do you think, House? I just know who I have 32nd on that list, and it's the mother-effing Baltimore Ravens. I just can't.

Oh, my God. Obviously, I'm the dummy that paid 50 bucks for Lamar Jackson this season. And I think they had 60 yards on offense in the first half against the Colts today. They had 266 total. Teams are winning games with incredible stats you wouldn't believe. 266 offensive yards. We're at the point of the season now where you have to be alarmed if you're a Ravens fan. By November, you would have thought there would be signs of whatever.

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I thought it was going to be the first half of Sunday Night Football. Watch the second half, do the podcast for a variety of reasons. I barely got here in time. We'll talk about that later. This is the most shocking result of the year to me. Not only because I had the Tampa Moneyline in a couple of bets and had them in million dollar picks, but I really thought they were better than New Orleans. And I thought this was going to be the game when they grabbed the division by the balls. Actually, if you had told me the score was going to be 38 to 3 and you said which side, I would have been

100% sure it was the Tampa side. You would have bet 22 of your 25 houses on Tampa if you heard the final score. Easily. Maybe a guest house.

Yeah. So, what was Collins, I didn't get to watch the telecast, what was Collins worth doing during this game? What was he,

what kind of frame of mind was he in? They went back and forth between, oh, they listed all of Brady's comebacks and everything, and Al was like, don't touch that dial. It's like, all right, it's 28-3. He has two first downs, and it looks more like they're going to take him out

to two drives later, Collinsworth is like, I don't know why they're playing these guys still. It's like eight minutes left in the fourth. But this was another one where the line went for everybody loved Tampa. It was a foregone conclusion that they were going to beat the Giants. Last time we talked on Sunday, they were going to beat the Giants, and then they were going to get their revenge on New Orleans. And this was another one where everybody loved Tampa,

and yet the line went from four and a half. I think when we did the pod last Sunday night to like three and a half, it's like, why is this line going down? It's like, oh yeah, the saints, the saints want this more or just as much.

At least it was another stranger. And the bucks had five carries total broken NFL record with five carries. I don't know. I didn't understand that at all. I actually thought, although I guess the Saints have a good run defense and they're trying to zag right away, but this is bad

for Brady. This is now two stink bombs against the Saints. And then on top of it, you bring Antonio Brown in his house. Is Antonio Brown the mole? What happened here? I have no idea. This this Buccaneers team is entirely confounding to me because they sucked last week, too. Well, that was you beat me to it. This is the thing. What they showed against the Giants apparently was not just a flat spot, an aberration where they were looking forward to the Saints. They were game planning for the Saints. They were holding a little something back.

They didn't give, you know, unfurl the full dong against the Giants. That's not what happened. Instead, the identity of the Buccaneers that we saw against the Giants was indeed the same identity we saw tonight against the Saints, and the Saints are a little bit better than the Giants. And the Giants could have won. Like you said, Danny Dimes missed terribly on three throws. Any one of those would have put them ahead for good.

You look at the Saints. They lose to the Raiders and Packers. They haven't lost since. And from what we've seen of the Raiders now, that's not as bad of a loss as it seemed like in week two, right? The Raiders beat the Chiefs and the Saints, right? I mean, those are as good of wins as you can get. They're 3-1 on the road.

And then the Packers, no shame in that one. But you look at Tampa, that Chargers game, which we all watched, they easily could have blown that game. Giants. They lose to the Bears, and we're like, oh, it was a Thursday night. Then they kill the Packers, they kill the Ra the Bears and we're like, oh, it was a Thursday night. Then they kill the Packers. They kill the Raiders. And we're like,

here we go. And I thought, I mean, their Super Bowl odds went to what? Six to one? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was about six to 50.

And then I remember Haralba bet on Biden at plus 290. Oh, no, wait. I'm screwing up the election. What? But, yeah,

this is, the Saints, the St. The Bucks have at Panthers next week who look pretty frisky in that chiefs game home for the Rams home for the chiefs home for the rejuvenated Vikings. I think they're officially rejuvenated. So their next four are not easy. And I don't know.

I, I, they were talking on the radio about Mike Evans was throwing a tantrum on the sidelines at one point. You got Antonio Brown there. He's a lunatic. Did you see some possibilities here? I can't blame Antonio Brown fully, but his

presence is what killed them today. Like I said, every facet of that team was bad today, but he did a great thing when they're down 28-3. He catches a ball for a first down and does a thing where he drops it. They like, just does a thing where he drops it in front of them. And it's like, it's funny. I had Michael Irvin on my podcast, Extra Points, this week, and he claims he made that up. He invented the celebration after the first down at Miami. He like, he made a great catch at the seven-yard line

in college. And he's like, I'm not waiting to score. I'm celebrating here. And I was like, you son of a bitch. You're the reason Zeke Elliott stirs the soup after a three-yard game. This is what happens. And Antonio Brown did it tonight. It's so good. So good. I got to say, I think I might agree with him on that. About what? That he's the first? About creating the... Yeah. I think that might have actually been true. I tried to think back. I couldn't remember saying it before. Who would have done it before? I mean, he invented nine different things we'd ever seen when he played football.

Wide receivers were pretty nondescript up to that point. We had the Billy White Shoes Johnson, and that was about it. It's not like they were demonstrative in the eighties, right house? No. I mean, the, the, I had Art Monk here, the quietest guy in the NFL. Right. I had Stanley the Steamer Morgan. I don't want to overreact, but I'm going to overreact. It's hard for me to believe the Bucs win the Super Bowl

and we, I remember when they hit rock bottom at 38-3. I don't remember a champ getting their asses kicked like that. Certainly in the six Patriots Super Bowls, they lost I remember in the 0-3 Super Bowl, they lost to Buffalo 31-0, but it was like the first or second game of the year.

This late in the year when you're healthy, that's not a good sign. Probably not. Probably not, but it's a weird season. It really is. I do think we're at the point of the year where teams are looking past other teams or teams are mailing in, you know, you and I, we, the three of us, we always talk about how teams just don't show up for two games a year. Unexplained. That's it. So maybe this has dropped the lowest quiz grade and go forward. Um, or

maybe it's not, I do want to defend my NFC a little. The Chiefs could have three losses too. They could have lost today to Carolina. That 65-yarder goes a little straighter or whatever. We know the Chiefs could have lost to the Chargers. There's another one in there. Well, they have a loss. I think we know who the top five-ish, six team would be surprised, although you're putting Arizona in the Super Bowl.

But other than that, I'm pretty sure. I'm just saying, I believe anyone from the NFC. You could give me seven teams right now and I would just be like, sure. Right. If they lost in the first round, you'd be like, oh, that sucks. But that makes sense too, right? Yeah. But isn't that the great thing about the NFC this year is any team you could say, I see them in the Super Bowl, I see them losing in round one by 20. Especially with only one bye. House, longtime NFC guy. Do you remember a year when the NFC, heading into week 10, did not have a team that we all thought was the established favorite?

Because this is pretty weird. Let's think about this. Before you answer, we have the Packers at 6-2. We have the Saints at 6-2. The Bucks at 6-3. The Seahawks at 6-2. Cardinals, Rams at 5-3. So nobody has seven wins.

So nobody... Are you saying this could be the first time? You're right. There's no seven-win team going into Week 10. Like 12-4 could take the one seed. Sure. Sure. Oh, absolutely.

I think that's a good number for the one seed, honestly. If you gave me that right now, I'd say, sure, I'd grab it. 4-12 could take the one seed in the NFC East. The Washingtons are still alive. How soon would you take in the NFC East. The Washingtons are still alive. How soon would you take in the NFC right now? No odds. I'm just saying like guns to your head. The Saints. The Saints.

See, I wouldn't take the Saints. The Saints. That's who I would take. I wouldn't do it. I guess they would have to get the one seed and play inside, right? All the way to the Super Bowl. That would be the recipe for them I'd take the Packers you would take Arizona

no I wouldn't I fuck we don't have to do this is the other thing I can't believe it but is it the Saints I think they're the safest bet if my life was depending on it.

If everybody's healthy and that defense can remain healthy, they have the most on both sides of the ball. And that relationship with Peyton and Breeze, they've been through some stuff together. That's all. We're only in the middle of the season. We could like the Saints and the Steelers, but there's a decent chance

neither of those quarterbacks make it to the finish line. Totally agree. That's why I want to take the Saints. Yeah, if you just watch how they play and everything. I would take Arizona if the guy who house-called all kinds of terrible names today wasn't the head coach. I think their destiny this year is every year.

There's a team that is super fun and actually seems like they could make the super bowl. And then they lose a terrible game in the playoffs, like 30 to 28, 35 to 34, 27 to 25. One of those. And you're just like, Oh my God, I can't believe that. Feels like their destiny to me oh my god I can't believe that feels like their destiny to me I can't believe they blew it which by the way the Chargers are the AFC version of that but they're not going to make the playoffs because

they're an 8-0 team that is somehow 2-6 they did it again this was especially cruel because I was listening on the radio our friend Matt Money Smith was announcing and what was his name? Barham caught the touchdown? Yeah. Parham.

Parham. Yeah. And he's like, Parham, all he does is catch touchdowns. Three grabs, three touchdowns. The Chargers win. And the other guy's like, hold on, they're going to review it. And they thought they were reviewing the inbounds.

And then two minutes later, they realized the ball was kind of moving. And honestly, it sounded like he was just going to go walk into traffic. They're so bummed out. They just gone this whole thing about, finally, they're off the schneid. Finally, they get through a fourth quarter.

So yeah, another, I mean, house, it's like an hour long YouTube video at this point of terrible collapses. I will say this though. I love watching Herbert. I just love it. I think he's great. I mean, he's a big boy.

The one thing I'd like to see a tiny bit more is him run. It doesn't feel like he has a big run instinct, but he's so young and he still, he moves fine. He can run. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't, I just feel like he needs so young and he still, he moves fine. He can run. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't, I just feel like he needs to be a little more assertive that way. Maybe it's because we're watching at the same time as, as Kyler. That's true.

You know what I love about him? How see hang with me. And with this comparison, he's Bryson DeChambeau. First of all, he, he throws downfield with such great touch. His long ball is terrific. It's his short pass. It's his third and seven. Yeah, it's the red zone stuff.

The wedges. Thread the needle, and he can't get it. Yeah, the wedges, right, the short stuff. He can't do it. But I love, as a rookie, to throw downfield that much. How many times did you have to deal with your first-year quarterback to just do outlet passes to the fullback the whole first first season like you're not getting that out of chargers you're also not getting wins which i think anthony lynn is going to be he's going to have to speak up for i really

they like he's uh and they're not blowing 16 point leads anymore they're just not catching the ball the ball's barely hitting the ground and it's uh it's bad it's why are we not betting against them in the fourth quarter in the live line? What are we doing? Well, they didn't have Joey Bosa, which the announcers were talking about when I was listening about,

they don't have like that. Their defense was always dying in the fourth quarter every way. And then on top of it, you know, they don't have him. There's still a path for them to be a playoff team. Oh no. I can't cross them off yet.

Two and six? They just need to get to nine and seven. They're in every game. And Herbert's super fun. House, do you think we sold Sal's Bryson DeChambeau Herbert analogy better than Clay Travis a little more?

I think we did. That was a good one. No, you'll be using that one again on Fox Bet Live tomorrow. I can feel it. It's a good one. You're going to be using that on Fox. No, you'll be using that one again on Fox Bet Live tomorrow. I can feel it. Oh, I think so. It's a good one. Yeah, you'll run that one back. It's Masters week.

You got to get it going. Yeah. I have a green jacket on as we speak. I love it. I love it. No, I know. I love all these rookies. That's why I was excited when Tua was in.

Let's see them all. I'm excited about the crop next year too. I don't know. I don't know what to think about what it means for a Dak Prescott and my team, which I'm glad we haven't talked about. It's going to single-handedly reignite the football card industry. Oh yeah. You're right.

It's like the Panini. Ben and I have bought like three boxes already trying to get Tua and Burrow and all these dudes. But there's more fun rookies. It's one of those rare classes where all the good players are actual dudes. Like even Chase Young, the best defensive guy, is actually like this fucking badass.

I wish the running backs were better. They haven't really... Edward Dallaire was supposed to be great. It looked like it was going to be that way. And, you know, Swift on Detroit. Zach Moss might end up being the best linebacker.

Yeah, he's okay. They take a couple weeks off, all these guys. I know. Sal, I have a special segment for you. What is it? It's the State Farm

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which brings us to our surprisingly great player from this week. Sal, take the floor. This random Dallas quarterback. Let's hear it. Let's hear this county report Sal, take the floor. This random Dallas quarterback. Let's hear it. Let's hear this county report. Go do your thing. This is actually exciting. I joked that Garrett

Gilbert, finally we have a Garrett we can trust in Dallas. He showed up. He was gutty. He didn't turn the ball over. I knew he had one bad one in him. I knew he was going to turn the ball over at some point, and the one he did, Amari Cooper was held in the end zone, but whatever, they didn't call it and it was picked off. And then the Steelers come down and seal their fate. But I felt good.

And then I felt good that they brought me back in. I was mad. I was like, let me just be done with this season. Let this quarterback suck. I know usually the fourth quarterback is the one that turns the team around, but in this instant, I was like, just let him suck so I don't have to watch the whole game. I could concentrate on Tyler, but no. You're thinking Romo. He was good. Is this Romo

2.0? What's going on here? For Sal's sake, I hope so. I need some help with who's going to be quarterback in Washington though I mean we might have to bring back Haskins we're like you can't start Alex Smith it's it's like like against that's it's bad karma move but he's right now the starter Alex Smith did not uh make the cut for surprisingly great week. He had 325 yards and almost led them to a comeback in the

fourth quarter because he threw two interceptions. Every time he goes back to pass, you're terrified. Yes. Well, that's what sucks. The documentary made people, I don't want to say not rude for him, but they made him turn away. They can't watch that game. Not that Washington and Giants is

watchable anyway. But Garrett Gilbert, we're set. We're winning this division. Garrett Gilbert does not sound like a quarterback name. No. I don't know what it sounds like, but the representative in Georgia who's in the runoff right now, it's Garrett Gilbert against somebody else.

Might be a State Farm insurance agent. I don't know. Or a great fried chicken chef. If Garrett Gilbert cooked me a giant batch of fried chicken, I'm in. Sal, how much did you know about Garrett Gilbert before 48 hours ago? A little bit. Not too much.

I don't want to get close to these people because they end up disappointing me. I was pleasantly surprised. And then the refs took it away from us. I have one more Cowboys question. At what point did you look at the standings and realize that you would be like a game out in first place? You did, didn't you? Like third quarter?

I did. Dalton coming back next week. You're starting to get ideas. No, Dalton. Garrett Gilbert. Let Dalton sit. Garrett Gilbert. Let Dalton sit. I really like that. I just, and then, you know,

when Ben went off, I thought we were going to see Mason Rudolph. I was like, alright, this is a fair fight now. Everybody put their guns away. Steelers, another team. 46 yards rushing. When we grew up, nobody won a game with 46 yards rushing. The Steelers did today.

Pollard is better than Elliott. He gets just as many yards on half the carries. I don't know what this team's identity is, but I know Jalen Smith is really, really bad defensively, and I'll be happy to be done with this season when they're done with us. Yeah, the announcers on Sirius got upset when he had another dumb penalty. Yeah. They were like, Jalen Smith, again! Well, we got the one where they grazed.

They're falling back, and they grazed the quarterback's face mask, which I think the face mask is there to protect the quarterback, right? But they grazed the face mask, and that's a 15-yard penalty. That killed the Cowboys. There are a couple plays in there. All right, that was our surprisingly great player of the week. House, the Pittsburgh, they're halfway through tying the 2007 Pats going 16-0. They're eight games away.

They're 8-0 right now. Any chance they go 16-0. Sal, what would away. They're 8-0 right now. Any chance they go 16-0? Sal, what would you give? Make a bet right now. Can you guys make a bet? What would you give House right now that the Stewards go 16-0? Three. I'll give you the same odds I gave

David Chang that he goes to the playoffs in our fantasy league. I'll give you three to one odds. Those are terrible odds. Well, look at the schedule. They are bad. league, I'll give you three to one odds. Those are terrible odds. Well, you look at the schedule. They have a couple, they are better. Actually, I should give you like four and a half because the Thanksgiving game against the Ravens,

which they'll be favored. Comes out of that game. But they'll be favored in that game, right? By four points, I think, at least their home. Not too much more. Well, it's like what you said about the 46 yards running. Yeah.

James Conner, he's like a C-minus. I don't know. I do feel like that's going to come back to haunt them in January, but it might not haunt them the rest of the season. What do you think, House? I think that they're so diverse on, on offense. Uh, and it, we're still, I think waiting for that one big Ben game where he goes out and throws for

520 yards, like to all spreads it around to all three receivers. And Betty Snell as a poor man's Connors is he's not horrendous. I mean, I just think they have, they can score so many different ways and score quickly that I'm not concerned about them on offense.

The thing that they're still sorting through is Devin Bush. You know, they're still getting that sort of worked out, but they're so good. They're loaded. There's just no chance of going 8-0 through the rest of the season. Real quick, we'll go over the lines,

but Steelers-Bengals, you know that's going to be a hefty number. Jaguars that could be close to double digits home for the Ravens that's a tough one for home for your Washington team that's a double digit game uh at the Bills that's tough uh slight favorite at the Bengals slight yeah I guess they're right they're at their home for the Colts and then at the Browns. Yeah, there's there's losable games in there for sure. I was wrong. Five to one. Well, five to one now. Yeah, I'll give you five to one. No, thank you.

No, thank you. No, thank you. Well, some there are two games up on the Ravens. They are two games up on Titans and Bills and only one game up on the Chiefs. And the Chiefs, how much did you see of that Chiefs game today?

When they don't have Chris Jones, I feel like anybody can beat them. Yeah, I watched the whole thing. I just think that was the one where Mahomes just put him on his back. Again, they had 30 yards rushing. He's like, however many points it takes for me to win, I'm going to do this. And you know who took a beating today? Dan Marino.

Mahomes was the fastest to 100 touchdowns, beat Marino. And Lamar, 25-5, had the best record in the first 30 games, which was previously Marino. So rest in peace, Dan Marino. Sorry about that. Poor Danny Marino. Alright, House, we're bringing you back at the end of this podcast for

Parent Corner and a little election talk. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Sure. Okay. Great. Wait a minute. It's 1230 and now you're watching it, right? We're taking a break. Come back with guest lines.

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It was one of those days. I had a couple picks. You ran the ball down my throat. You got a win on the board. I'm going to rally back this week. Our Thursday night game. I didn't do great this week. Maybe you won't do great either, but let's see.

I think I did all right. Prime for the beating here. Go ahead. First game is at Tennessee. Phil Rivers and the Colts coming to town. And I have Tennessee favored by 3.5 points. Yeah, you're going to get that. I went high. I was so mad at Indianapolis and what they did to me.

Not covering on a teaser. I said Tennessee by five. And it's two and a half. So you're closer. Oh. But that team is, you know, it's funny. Tennessee played the Bears. And I was like, all right, the loser of this is the biggest fraud in the league, right?

Because they both had good records. Well, ironically now, I think Tennessee's the biggest fraud in the league. And Chicago's just bad, right? Yeah, Chicago you can't even call a fraud anymore because nobody believes what they're selling. Can we cross them off, Chicago? Is it too late? I want to cross them off so bad. Oh, shit.

We didn't do cross-off teams yet. Well, we wait. Oh, all right. I don't know. I think we had... Honestly, it's probably the Chargers. Yeah. They're two and six.

There's not really a roadmap for them. Let's go through. Who do we have? We have Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Jets, Giants. We have Giants, Jets, Jaguars, Bengals, Texans, and Patriots.

And Patriots. Which might have been a mistake. Yeah. Alright, so what are our choices here? Chargers. Oh, you don't want to cross off Dallas? I'm begging you to cross off Dallas. I'm not crossing off Dallas.

Did we cross off the Lions? I don't think we did, but they're 3-5, right? They're not 3-6? 3-5. Yeah, so it's basically the Chargers, the Lions, or... Yeah, those are our candidates. I'm not going by talent here, but I've seen enough to know that the Chargers aren't going to win seven, eight in a row, right?

Yeah. They blew it. Okay. I agree. Chargers are the team. So we have Tennessee by two and a half over the Colts. I had a Colts point for you really quick. Yeah.

The Andrew Luck retirement is kind of a secretly important NFL moment of the last five years because what we've seen in the Colts last year and this year, if they had had an above average QB, you could make a case they would have been in the mix. I forgot about it. Like the QB position, Brissette gets hurt, second half of last year, they fall apart.

This year, Rivers has just, they just have no ceiling with him. And they paid him $25 million a year on top of it, not to mention the luck salary cap stuff. If they just had luck, the guy that was a really good young quarterback and not quite an MVP candidate, but definitely was second tier.

And then you think about how many good, reliable quarterbacks there are right now. The list is less than eight. That would be a huge what if for me as a Colts fan. And also, they didn't go 4-12 last year, right? They didn't go 3-13. They couldn't draft some of these studs that we're in love with, these rookies.

So that hurt them even more, right? You had to go out of your way to sign Phil Rivers, couldn't draft some of these studs that we were in love with, you know, these rookies. So that hurt him even more, right? He had to go out of your way to sign Phil Rivers, who doesn't really have it, and Jacoby Brissett. Like, Rivers can't even – I don't know if you saw that, but they had the ball at midfield right before the half with three seconds left. Rivers came out. Brissett came in to throw the –

Oh, I heard it on the radio. Yeah, I was laughing. And he got sacked. They were like, here's Jacoby. I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Phil Rivers I heard it on the radio. Yeah. I was laughing. And he got sacked. They were like, here's Jacoby. I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Phil Rivers can't throw 40 yards. Yeah. Tough one.

But Tennessee's not that good either. I think they had 228 total yards today. I don't know what to make out of this. I mean, Foles is so, so bad. I know, like, Trubisky was contemplating shoulder surgery, but I still think he would have been better this week. What do you think happened to Foles?

I don't know. It's just one of these guys. It's not like he's 40 years old. No, but all these guys that can't move. It's the same thing, right? You know what you're getting with them, and if they hit, that's three drives that are just going to get killed instantly because he has no mobility, and he's not

throwing downfield. He threw downfield like twice the whole game. I know he ended up with decent numbers, but I think he had like six yards per pass or something. And yeah, not good against a 27th ranked defense. I remember Drew Bledsoe, his last two

Patriots years before Brady took his job, basically his last year, it years before Brady took his job, basically his last year, it started to feel like that. Like he was just, he couldn't create enough space for himself. And even Brady, the last couple of years,

I think has faced that problem, but not to the degree with Drew, where something changed. The best example ever was Bernie Kosar on the Browns that time, what, 30 years ago? when all of a sudden he just seemed like a cigar store Indian just sitting there waiting to get annihilated.

He had a third and 14 pass that was behind the line of scrimmage. The Titans at that point were like, we've seen three and a half quarters of this. We're going to pick this or we're going to rip it from the running back and run it back. That's exactly what happened. Like they become too predictable

some of these QBs. Our Sunday marquee game. Cardinals-Bills. That's right. I did it. Oh, you love it. Oh, yeah. This is another possible

Super Bowl preview. The game is in Arizona. I have the Cardinals favored by three over the Bills. I said three. You sure you don't want to say three and a half? It sounded like you were going to say three and a half. No, three.

I said three also. It's only one and a half. One and a half. I guess there's a seven win team against a five win team, but big East-West thing coming. Buffalo travel letdown, maybe? I don't know. Well, Buffalo's offense,

if the elements have to be there weather-wise for them to do well, if that's a theory. But this could be a very exciting game. Yeah. This could be a 37-34. I think the Bills will have trouble against Murray, but I think the Cardinals, if Buffalo looks like they did today. All right, four watchables.

Panthers are home for the Bucs. It's funny, if you had had me guess this six hours ago, I probably would have said like Bucs four, Bucs four and a half. I think this is now a Bucs by two and a half over the Panthers in Carolina. All right, let me check this because this is not fair if I don't do this right. Because I said four, and it is four and a half, but it might have changed after the beating. Just hold on one second.

Oh. I want to make it fair to you. Otherwise, this is a one for me. That's fair. Yeah, four and a half. Yeah, it's still four and a half. Jesus. I don't agree with that line.

The Panthers are weird in this respect. I like them as underdogs. I like them when they're 10-point underdogs to KC or getting four and a half against Tampa. Where you don't want them is like laying six against the Bengals. Yeah, right. You want them like trying laying six against the Bengals. Yeah. Right. You want them like trying to get cheap TDs or being a surprise or cause they are pretty frisky.

But how about this? I don't think it matters. Teddy two gloves, 44 games played or started. How many did he cover? How many? 33, 33 and 11.

He covers 70 to 75% of his starts. He's 33 and 11. So we should call him Teddy two covers. Yeah. Teddy and 11. He covers 75% of his starts. He's 33 and 11. So we should call him Teddy Two Covers. Yeah, Teddy Two Covers, I guess. The only thing that worries me, they had McCaffrey on the sideline just going like that. It really looked like a weird collarbone kind of thing. He makes such a difference there. I mean, obviously, 150 total yards.

Next one for the watchables. This is another great one. Football's really fun this year because we added these three fun quarterbacks right when we needed them, these rookies. Dolphins, Chargers. I can't wait for this. Great one.

I have the Dolphins favored by three and a half at home against the Chargers. You're going to get it. I went heavier on this. I said five. It's two and a half. Oh, man. Well. I went heavier on this. I said five. It's two and a half. Oh, man. Well, I might bet that tonight.

On the other hand, Miami five and three, Chargers two and six. Just make it five. That spread should be at least three. Yeah. I'm betting that after we finish the puck. All right. That'll be a nice one. I have a couple

Dolphins fans in my life They're out of their minds If you're just talking about what fan bases Are completely out of their minds Right now at their football team They have to be number one Yeah, why not? Playing good defense, a winnable division

Great quarterback to look forward to For the next 10 years They haven't Really had a good quarterback Since Marino in the mid-90s when he started to talk about when quarterbacks got immobile. Marino is a great example of that, right?

He couldn't move at all. He was just getting guys routine off on him. But yeah, they haven't. In the 21st century, there hasn't really been a really good Dolphins team. They've had a couple moments. They had the Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Wildcat moment. They had like the Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Wildcat moment.

They had, uh, what was it? Early two thousands. They, they playoffs. There was one runner. I can't even remember.

Their biggest claim to fame is knocking us out of that three team teaser thing, which we bring up every week, but 10 years ago, whatever. I follow football and cover sports for a living and can't remember five fun dolphins moments in this century. So needless to say, their fans are fired up and then the chargers who have no fans anymore,

but if they did, they would be so fired up for Herbert. It almost feels like they should have to give Herbert to a franchise that would actually really appreciate and take care of him, right? Like if he was on the Broncos, think how many Broncos fans would just be out of their minds that they had Herbert. Child Protective Services should get involved here, you're saying? Yeah.

Give them to the Browns. They should have to trade him for Baker Mayfield and like two first-round picks. Is there a scenario where Anthony Lynn gets fired this year or has everyone survived? Everyone who was kind of in trouble? I mean, two and seven with this team would not be ideal. If they lost.

It's funny. They show up for all these games, though. I do feel like that's part of being a good head coach. Yeah. And I love them in hard knocks. I don't want them to fire. I know. They haven't quit on them. It's know. They haven't quit on them.

It's true. They haven't quit on them. But these losses are embarrassing. Well, you know how like Arthur Blank comes down for the last four minutes of Falcons games? Is there somebody

that could just come down and stand next to Anthony for like the last six minutes of the game? Like some mentor that he has or something? Or somebody he trusts? Yeah.

Could be a conciliary just for the last six minutes? Could the GM come down and stand next to him? How about Tyrod Taylor? He's not playing. He played for a second. He got in that two-point conversion and missed, but that was it. Tyrod just one day is going to be like, I decided not to play the rest of the season and

concentrate on my $200 million lawsuit against our team doctor. Why is he still playing? This is have to play the rest of the season and concentrate on my $200 million lawsuit against our team doctor. Right. Yeah. Why is he still playing? This is, uh, this is like when Rick Rosner wrote for Jimmy Kimmel live, but was still suing ABC for, uh, Oh my God. Remember that his time on, uh, on, on millionaire.

And we were all worried that we're going to have layoffs and cut the writing staff. And we said, Rick, you'd be like the first guy they laid off because you're suing them right now. They're like, oh, that's a good point. You're right. That wouldn't be great for me. We have two more watchables. Rams-Seahawks is a really good one.

I like when these two teams play. It's a good one. Yep. It's in LA. Not that that matters. I have the Rams favored by two and a half over the Seahawks. Damn it. Why isn't it three?

Why is it one? Oh, why is it one? So is home field just out now? Like we shouldn't even be thinking about it anymore. I don't. Unless there's like four teams. I guess with the Saints, maybe it matters a little bit. It matters probably for travel, right?

It mattered that Seattle flew all the way to Buffalo. That seemed to matter a little bit, right? But I don't know. Fans-wise, once they get there and if they're energized, I don't think it matters. But the Rams and Seattle, they should be the two best or two of the best in the division. Give the home team, I guess you're right.

They're just not getting the obligatory three at home. Well, it seemed like Buffalo was putting real pressure on Wilson in that game. Yeah. And it's not exactly a raucous front seven. So you think like the Rams, who I think have a really good front seven,

the Seahawks don't fix that. Part of the problem is when you're down to, I think running backs Part of the problem is when you're down to... I think running backs are overrated. But when you start going toward that DJ Dallas level of running back, that's a problem. Yeah, for sure. I mean, although I read you a bunch of stats of teams

who had 30 rushing yards and won this week. So it really does come down to which quarterback throws fewer interceptions or coughs the ball up less, I think, for the most part. I had everybody on a bye week this week for running backs that picked up DJ Dallas for our Keeper League today. And he somehow got 10 points out of him. DJ, thanks for the memories.

You'll be getting waved on Wednesday. Last watchables game by the way Ram Seahawks I I'm guilty of recency bias with the NFC West over and over again but I do like this spot for the Rams you do

it's a little bit of a kitchen sink game for them right because you think about it Seattle 6-2 Zona's 5-3 Rams are 5-3 but the Rams rest of the way so they have Seahawks

at Tampa home for the 49ers at Arizona home paths home jets at Seattle at Cardinals so they have to play Rams-Cardinals four times

the next day of games. I don't know how you view this. If you're a coach in that division, you're like, we just got to take care of our division games, right? You at least have to win the home games, I think. Yeah. And I don't know, McVay off a bye here. How do you prepare?

I mean, it's probably going to come down to Russ in the last, uh, drive, right? Just try to try to knock them out. And if you're the Seahawks, if golf has time,

the Rams are going to beat you. So you have to figure out how to get to them because that's how you beat the Rams. Stewards Bengals. It's in Pittsburgh. It's another classic. Joe Burrow is definitely covering this. No matter what you beat the rims. Steelers-Bengals. It's in Pittsburgh. It's another classic. Joe Burrow is definitely covering this, no matter what you think the line is.

I have the Steelers by 8.5, and I think Joe Burrow covers it. Oh, I don't even get this one. I said 10.5, and it's 9.5, so we split it. You think Joe Burrow covers this? Joe Burrow off a bye, Pittsburgh. Their offensive line's looking good. Yeah, I just don't know what to make of that Steelers-Cowboys game.

Were they just screwing with the Cowboys? Could they have won at any time and just didn't want to, after a hard-nosed game against the Ravens, they kind of wanted to take it easy and win when they could? So, I think we... I think we just completely underestimate this. I didn't have the balls to pick Dallas 10.5

because I had honestly never heard of your quarterback. I just couldn't do it in our ZFL, our Picks League. You think about it. How do you get fired up to play Garrett Gilbert if you're the Steelers?

So, you're basically just like, just, hey guys, don't get hurt. It's one of those, right? And you're going 80%. You're not going 100%. So I guess that would be my answer. All right. I think that's why we have these games where the teams just kind of are on cruise control.

And then all of a sudden, it's the third quarter and they're down seven. But they won't look past, even though he's a rookie, he's no Garrett Gilbert, they're not looking past Joe Burrow. So they should show up for this game. No, because don't watch the tape, and especially the tape from two weeks ago. They'll be like, holy shit. Yeah, yeah. That'll be a good one.

You had that watchable? That's a watchable, right? Oh, that's definitely, that was our fourth watchable. That's a good one. Life and death were two very realistic, coexisting possibilities in my life. I didn't even think I'd make it to like my 16th birthday, to be honest. I grew up being scared of who I was.

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This is in Cleveland. Browns-Texans. So not sure we're going to have Baker Mayfield for this game. He's on the COVID list, right? Yeah, he had the decency to do it during his bye week. But I'm not sure.

I should put this in the COVID corner category. You got to do it. You got to do it. Yeah, how much does Case Keenum going in for Baker, does that make you more likely to bet the Browns? Because for me, it's like, no, it doesn't. No. They're kind of the same guy's like, no, it doesn't. No. They're kind of the same guy.

Well, I'll tell you this. They're counting on Baker starting. I'll tell you, the odds makers are. All right, well, I had Browns for thinking that Baker was going to play. Browns by four over the Texans. All right, I said four and a half is two and a half. Oof. You know, we have a lot of five and threes against two and sixes

where the line isn't even three points. It's very weird. I'm sorry. It just shouldn't be that way with some of these. Also weird was the Texans allegedly trying to trade Will Fuller and J.J. Watt, all these dudes. Meanwhile, they don't have their own first-round

pick. Why not try to win these games and make the playoffs? You have no picks anyway. Watson said after the game, he said, that would have been a catastrophe if we got rid of Will Fuller. Basically, like, thanking. Meanwhile, they almost blew it, too. They had that Jake Luton from the Oregon State kid really came back against them today.

And they didn't cover Houston. 27-25, they won. I was hoping he would win the job over Minshew so we could get the headline, Lootin' Free. Oh, nice. Yeah, thanks. Oh, damn it.

Thanks. Been sitting on that one. I wanted to talk to the house about your bone broth diet, but whatever, we could save it. It's only... What the hell's going on? You're 128 and a half pounds and you're on a

bone broth diet. Oh, it's just my wife does this Mondays. She just drinks bone broth and I kind of got sucked into it and it's kind of delightful. Yeah. My wife does this thing. She buys these pads and she puts them, you know, you don't have to do everything you do. Your wife does. What's the matter with you? When you said that, I was like, there's a pad thai? What is that? I haven't heard of that. Pad thai?

God, we got a savior. Well, you're seeing me soon, so I'll bring you some bone broth. That's true. I'll bring some bone broth with me. I could use it. Believe me. Listen, for the people out there, go read about the bone broth diet. You do this twice a week? No, but you do the five and two diet where you fast for two days.

I can't do it because I became too spiteful on the five days, the days that I could eat anything. You went nuts. Oh, it just became a catastrophe. So that's what it is. Bone broth for two days and then five. It's basically the five, two diet, but on the two days you have bone broth. The fuck is bone broth? What is that? It's basically the 5-2 diet, but on the two days you have bone broth. The fuck is bone broth? What is that? It's super healthy. I know, but what is it? It's just...

It's bone marrow and they make soup out of it and you drink the bone marrow and you get all the nutrients from it. You're drinking coffee though around that, right? Or you can't? You're not supposed to, but there's no diet that anybody could ever give me where I'm not drinking coffee. I don't care what it is.

Gotcha. All right. But my wife, you know, she has the whoop. You have the whoop? What's that? You know, the thing on your wrist that monitors your activity and your sleep, all that stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. So when she does the bone broth diet, in the next day the whoop is like really happy with her.

Like you have 96% recovery today. She's like, it's the bone broth. Anyway, two more barely watchables. The Raiders are playing at Denver. Denver, you're a tormentor. No, I think Denver's, Raiders are home, right? Raiders are home? Yeah, I think so. Oh, I wrote that down wrong. You're a tormentor. No, I think Denver's Raiders are home, right? Raiders are home? Yeah, I think so. Oh, I wrote that down

wrong. You're tormentor, Denver. Terrible. So, I have yeah, you're right. Raiders are home. Because I guess Raiders by six, which is too low. I said six also. No, it's too high. It's four. His lines are all messed up. Jesus.

Okay. That kid I mean, he has like five or six touchdowns in the second half he doesn't show up drew lock he has five in the last two games he has five touchdowns in the second half he almost did it again to atlanta i was joking about it we joke and we see like a 27-6 score even though their thing is 27-3 but like no one's gonna come back on them those days are over and i'm like oh my god God, Atlanta has the ball and they're about to tie it. And luckily they held them off. He just needs a lot of foreplay, Drew Luck.

Yeah. That's a weird one because the Raiders are very close to... So if they win this, they're 6-3. Mm-hmm. They're another one. Like Carolina, like you said, you don't like them giving four points, right? You want them on the road against Cleveland

or like they were today against the Chargers. So they go after Broncos, home Chiefs, at Falcons, at Jets, home Colts, home Chargers, home Dolphins, at Broncos. So they have two Broncos games left. So you give them both of those, they're 7-3. Jets, you give them 8-3.

They can get 9. Yeah, I mean, all they have to do is win two more out of all those other ones, and they can get to 10-6. I think Vegas is going to be a playoff team. You know what else? They're going to be the shakies game. I don't know if the shakies game is going to get screwed up because we're going to have a playoff team. You know what else? They're going to be the Shakey's game. I don't know if the Shakey's game

is going to get screwed up because we're going to have six playoff games that first weekend. But I think the Vegas Raiders will be involved in the Shakey's game. Do you want... You have a choice of these two. Chargers or Raiders or Browns

as the seven seed? Raiders, Browns. Oh, Raiders are better than the Browns. Well, who do you want to see? I mean, there are teams that are better than a lot of teams we like. Oh, for Shakey's? Who do I want to see as a football fan? I'd rather watch the Ras. Well, who do you want to see? I mean, there are teams that are better than a lot of the teams we like. Oh, for Shakeys? Or who do I want to see as a football fan? I'd rather watch the Raiders.

I think the Browns suck. Yeah. Next barely watchable is Saints home for the 49ers. And I have no idea who's playing for the 49ers. So let's say Saints by eight. Well, I mean, wow, you are nudging me by half a point

every time. I said 8.5. I don't know why this should be any lower than that. It's 6.5. You know why? Because this was their Super Bowl yesterday? Kitchen sink for the Niners, right? If they lose this, they're 4-6. They're not making the playoffs.

Because they have a whole bunch of games against... They still have... Man, they're not making the playoffs. Because they have a whole bunch of games against... They still have... Man, they got... They have... They lose, we can cross them off, I think. Yeah. At Saints, at Rams, Bills, Washington, at Cowboys, at Cardinals,

home Seahawks. That's tough. They're probably done. They don't care about making the playoffs as much as they do about us crossing them off. I mean, that's a big factor for these teams. They don't care about making the playoffs as much as they do about us crossing them off. I mean, that's a big factor for these teams. They don't like when we put the nail in the coffin. I think you're right. I have an announcement for you.

My dad admitted to me on Thursday that he's ready for Jimmy G to come home to the New England Patriots next year. He is? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He said, this is great.

He was hurt this year. It wasn't legitimate. It's not like he sucks. He's just been hurt the whole year. They're going to cut him. We're going to bring him home. It's the guy Belichick wanted anyway. We're going to go 12-4 next year.

My dad's all in on Jimmy G. Wow, that would be some story. I wonder so they have to pick up that salary though. That's the problem. No, not if the Niners cut him. Yeah, they cut him for the cap stuff. Because the cap will go backwards next year because of the revenue. We have three

games in the Poopfecta. Lions-Washington, which it's in Detroit. I picked the Lions by four and you could tell me this line was anything and I'd believe it. Because it looks like Kyle Allen's out.

It's going to be Alex Smith and then the Lions stink. So I said Lions by four, but I don't know what it is. You were close. I said five by four, but I don't know what it is. You were close. I said five. It's five and a half. Not a great week for Stafford.

COVID and then a concussion? That's the old one. Maybe he didn't have COVID. He was close to someone like COVID. He had to pass five tests in a row. But he was out of there. And the Vikings beat up on that team. Yeah, the Vikings.

So the Vikings, what were they, 0-3? They're 2-6 now. Yeah. Right? Are they 2-6? No, they have three wins. Stop it.

They're 3-5, yeah. 3-5, right. That's the Monday game. Okay. Right. And looking, we talked about the best teams in the NFC. They're kind of looking back,

like looking the best, like Dalvin cook, the running back never gets MVP, but if they storm back to win the division, it's gotta be him. Wilson's dad, his grip has slipped. Brady's grip has slipped.

Rogers hasn't done much yet. My home still puts up extraordinary numbers, but I think Kyler, he got to be in there now. And then Dalvin Cook, if the Vikings somehow win 10-6, he would have to be mentioned as well. Anyway, that's in the poop fact. This one also is Packers-Jags in Green Bay. No looting?

This Packers team especially this kind of game they either win 35-3 or it's like 9-6 in the fourth quarter and you're just like come on alright just get can we fast forward to the part where Rodgers does the game winning drive but it's kind of like

nobody really gives a shit I have Packers by 11 I beat you here I said said 12 and a half. It's 13 and a half. That's too high. Coming off a bye. Rookie quarterback. It's right.

It's too high. It's not like the Packers have an awesome defense. Do they? No, not an awesome defense, but they don't like high lines like that when the team doesn't

have a great rest it up. Next poop facta game. This is the first time we've ever had a Poopfecta game with a division lead at stake. But Eagles-Giants. It's in Philly. Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's in New York. Giants.

Or Jersey. Yeah. And let me tell you, the Giants, there's some friskiness with the Giants. There's some Joe Judge. These guys are really starting to connect with them stuff. They play hard for them. They bench Golden Tate. I didn't hear the full story on that, but apparently there was some attitude stuff.

Yeah, they were good. They were the best team this week. They almost beat the Bucs, which they're probably kicking themselves now. How do we not beat the terrible Tampa Bay Buccaneers? But like I said, he was off by a few throws. Otherwise, they should have won that game.

And then they beat Washington. Well, they let him back in. But I have them as three-point underdogs against the Eagles. Shit, I needed to grab that from you, and we tied. I had three also. And it is three. It's exactly three. It's hard to believe that's not a Sunday night or Monday night game.

Well, it was already Thursday night, right? That was one where Danny Jones, uh, he fell on his face. Yeah. Just seems like that should be a night game. Right.

Sunday night. Speaking of night games, Ravens at new England. This is one where I know what I think the line should be, but I also think Belichick and everybody gets so much respect. I have a Ravens by three. No. I had six, and I had six and a half.

Oh, there goes the respect idea. Well, finally, they got a six and two versus two and five spread right. I mean, they have to, right? I think this game's a real problem for the Patriots. There's a certain type of team that they're just not going to be able to succeed against. And we saw it in that Niners game. You've seen in this game.

These powerful teams that can run the ball and different people, they just don't have a front seven. They had multiple guys opt out. They don't have the kind of personnel that can hold this up. This is Buffalo finally realized that last week against them when they started running the ball because they're running

it for five and a half yards of carry. They don't have linebacker speed for Lamar. This game's a problem. Well, that's the thing, right? The Steelers can sucker Lamar into playing stupid, but he normally doesn't. He was 19 for 23 today. He's mistake-free

when he's up against the defense that suits him. Well, and I think you're right. I think they fall into a bad track. This feels like a tease. Yeah. By the way, another one to add to your list.

I know you have, who do we have for guys who betrayed Boston? Yeah. Brady, you have, uh, who else did? Well,

why can't I think of this? I don't know if Brady betrayed Boston, but that's just how I feel right now. The way I'm thinking. You just hurt our feelings. Mookie Betts. There's no betrayal with Mookie. Maybe I'm not saying it, but it's like, oh shit,

this is not the red Boston year. Brady, Mookie Betts. What's his name on the Lakers? Real quick. Rondo. Kyle Van Oy. I'm adding him to the list. Oh, that's good. That's fair. He was a very good Patriot.

I liked him. Look at his numbers the last three weeks. He's making a difference on that Miami. I meant to bring it up before. It was the classic signing when somebody overpays for like a Belichick culture guy that usually doesn't work out. And in this case, it seemed like it worked out. It was a very smart signing.

So far, so good. I'm one down and I have, I could tie you here if I win this. Interesting. We're going to Chicago. It's Bears-Vikings. And I really wanted to have the Vikings favorite in this game, but I couldn't do it. I did the Bears

by one and a half. Alright, we tie. You should have had the Vikings favorite. I had them by two the Bears by one and a half. All right. We tie. You should have had the Vikings favorite. I had them by two, and it's two and a half. Fucking A. I'm such a coward. God, that's nuts. They're favorite in Chicago. What a fucking fall from grace for the Bears. They're awful.

They're awful. Let's cross them off now. I'd like the three and five better than the five and 14. That's nuts. The Vikings are three and five. They're favorite on the road on a Monday night game 5-14 that's nuts the Vikings are 3-5 their favorite on the road on a Monday night game against a team that started out 5-0 holy shit

how much you gotta see of Nick Foles and there's nowhere to turn either oh that David Montgomery is so bad too so bad yeah he's wasn't he a first round pick?

was he first or early second? I don't know I had him last year in our in the fantasy league that I'm not in anymore. And I was counting on him as like this rookie running back. And every time I watched him, he would run for two yards and get tackled. Right.

Yeah, that's it. He has one or two or three yards and never anything more. And no breakaway speed either. No. Wow, Vikings. That's crazy. So they could be 4-5 potentially. We're going to screw that up though, right? They're baiting us into betting that.

I hate that we have to bet that game. He's a third-round pick. He was 73 overall. Montgomery was? Yeah, Montgomery. That's better. The Patriots have certainly screwed up enough of those. Feel better. All right. It's time for Parent Corner, brought to you by CarMax,

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I want to watch this Steelers-Cowboys game. I didn't think it was going to be a big deal because I'm like, Steelers are just so much better. It'd be nice to cover. By the way, congratulations to the Cowboys covering for the first time in nine weeks. Yeah, we forgot to congratulate them. That's big.

Good point. One and eight against a house this team didn't cover. Or maybe they did. I don't know. They didn't cover. Your team didn't cover. They didn't play. Mine did.

So I'm going to watch it. And as I told you, my middle child has become a Steelers fan. And it just drives me crazy. But I don't want to react because that's what happens in our house. As soon as you react negatively towards something, you get, you get the jabber, it get jabbed even harder because people, uh, seize on it. And that's basically the culture that I've created around here. Uh, so I don't really react, but now Cowboys are playing the Steelers. And then my oldest son says, uh, Hey dad, uh, I got back together with my girlfriend and she's coming over, um, to watch the Cowboys Steelers. And then my oldest son says, hey, dad, I got back together with my girlfriend

and she's coming over to watch the Cowboys Steelers. I'm like, all right. Okay, fine. That's fine. Good for you. Glad you guys got back. And he's like, oh, by the way, she's a Steelers fan. I'm like, oh, Jesus.

Oh, Archie. So you couldn't wait till Monday to get back together? Really? You got to get it? Okay. All right, they're back together. And I'm like, all right, she's kind of quiet. It's okay. They'll go in another room and that'll be fine. And I'll watch in my office here. And he answers the door and she's wearing a number 19

Juju Smith Schuster Jersey. And she's like, are you ready for this? And I'm like, oh no, no, what the hell? But then again, I'm like, all right,. No. What the hell? But then again, I'm like, all right, I don't really care. It's fine because we're going to lose the game anyway. Archie's watching his girlfriend out of the room. My son's in the room. My middle kid's watching with me. And he's very vocal every play.

And so is she in the other room. My son is like, if they get a three- yard run and there's a holding call on the Steelers they'll be like no no no I'm like all right I'm not dealing with this before this early in the first quarter and plus I'm seeing the uniform matchups and I'm getting nostalgic I'm like I want to win this game and like you said Garrett Gilbert our State Farm uh surprise athlete of the week he's playing well I was like damn it we like, Jack, get the hell out of here. You watch in another room and they're watching another room and I'm watching. They're like screaming the whole time. Like I got to go like on the treadmill, like God forbid. I don't want to, last thing I want to do on a Sunday is exercise, but I got to get away from these people. Um, so I did and I come back and it comes down to the end and of course they

blow it. And the bad thing about them blowing it is i'm seeing it first uh the last play the throw of the end zone that's incomplete there one of them's on a two second delay and one of them's on a four second delay so i lost three times because i was like oh god and then i hear yeah and then three seconds later i'm like everybody out of this house get out so i don't know what happened i'm nearing 50 years old but i can't even watch my team in peace and uh that was my cowboys steelers viewing experience so she showed up with a juju jersey yeah you answered the door and she said are you ready for this she said it to archie but she knows i'm the fan and i'm looking over his shoulder i'm like no i'm not ready for this no one's ready for this? She said it to Archie, but she knows I'm the fan and I'm looking over his shoulder.

I'm like, no, I'm not ready for this. No one's ready for this. Oh my God. That's that. Come on, Archie. I know. She'd be embarrassed. I drove to Arizona this weekend because my daughter had soccer.

We've talked about these trips in the past. Haven't had one of these trips for, I don't know, since March. We're going to drive in somewhere. This one was really something because it was, I don't know, it's like 400 miles from here. So obviously I had to try to get there as fast as possible.

So stayed in a hotel, stayed at an Embassy Suites, watched movies got food Saturday we went to Bianco's restaurant just hung out just some great

dad daughter time she played today drove back after Jimmy John's stopped on the way there cause she wanted the with the the turkey sub

the number or the turkey sub, the number or the Italian sub, like the number seven, whatever with the chips. Go, fly all the way through. Normally in the parent corners we complain about their kids. I got to say, it was great to spend the two days. I really missed it. That's it?

Yeah, that's it. I don't even have a story. It was more... No, no, no, no. She was texting while you were talking to her. No, it wasn't like that. It was a really good hang. Really? Well, you must see this with Archie too. Our kids are kind of adults now. Yeah, I know. When you go away for the weekend, it's not as much of a parent thing. It's more of a hang.

Well, I know, but I hate adults too. No, this is not how this works. You've got to figure something bad out. it's not as much of a parent thing. It's more of a hand. Well, I know, but I hate adults too. So that's, no, you gotta, this is not how this works. You gotta figure something bad out. Well, everybody was like, why isn't your daughter ever on this? I don't know. I just, it got me thinking about the whole COVID thing

because we're in Arizona where you only partially know that COVID's happening, right? You go into certain restaurants, like nobody has masks on. The hotel, just somebody waiting to check in. They have no mask on. And you're kind of like, wait a second, going from California to there where, you know, or at Starbucks, somebody just walks in, no mask, getting coffee. They're two feet away. You got to move. Um, it's, it's, it, the election made a lot more sense after, after the weekend.

But, but, but, uh, now is, you know, I don't think she'd had a soccer game that I'd been to since the beginning of March,

right before that. It was the Sunday before the pandemic. So it was like almost eight months. It was just, I don't know. I've been watching her play soccer since she was four. And then we used to have these trips and then they just like gone. So now we, and we were making COVID jokes the whole

time. Obviously not a joke. It matters. It's 250,000 people have died, but at the same time we stop on the way there, we stop at a subway in, uh, you know, God knows where Arizona and same thing, two people walk in without masks and we're like, wow, we might get COVID before we even get to Phoenix. Right, right. It's just kind of the lingering subplot and you're in elevators in a hotel with face masks on

and, you know. Yeah, you're the weird one. If we're having a mask on. Right. I know. Well, let me just tell you, you don't have to drive 600 miles to do that. You could drive six miles to Orange County and you'll see the same kind of thing. I mean, it's very strange

where it divides. Well, and then on the sidelines for the soccer game, most people didn't have masks on or they had them kind of pulled down so they could yell or whatever. And there were all these things about, hey, please respect whatever. People are just going to do whatever the fuck they want. I don't know how many people have to get it each day before the mass things becomes more important, but apparently we're just going to go for $500,000 in a day. I guess is where we're heading.

We're just going to break records. So that's it, huh? All right, Carmack. Bill, what about you? I love my kid. Sal, I like my kid. I had an ending to this. It's a nostalgic parent corner. I started doing the math on the way home because she's 15 and a half, right?

She's in 10th grade. So three years from now, her and Archie are going to be in college. No, come on. And then it was like when you were saying, I remember you said this when we moved to LA and we were working for a Kimmel show. And I remember like my parents are coming out and you said to me, this is the kind of shit you would say, like, see, this is why I never got worked out in the

office. You'd be like, Hey Simmons, did you ever think about how many more trips your parents would make here before they die? And you'll never see them again. I'm like, what do you mean? It's like, how many, like 30, what do you think? Like 33 more trips for your again. I'm like, what do you mean? It's like, how many? Like 30? What do you think? Like 33 more trips for your dad? I'm like, my dad's 60. What do you mean? My dad's going to die? And you're like, I did the math. I think my dad's going to make 28 more trips.

You didn't realize he was going to move out here. I know. That's the thing. As soon as you say it, they move towards you. Yeah. Right. And that's that. Yeah.

So anyway, I was thinking in the car, I was like, I probably have like 32 more trips left with my daughter, like soccer weekend trips, or like 34. And then you die? No, and then she goes to college. That's it. What if she goes to college in the East Coast or something? Right, that's true.

That's a lot. Think about all that driving. That's a lot. That is sad, though. I got to think about it. I don't know. Did well with that one. Not sure about Ben, but at least with Zoe. Zoe was a home run. Ben will see. At least Ben's girlfriend isn't rooting for the Lakers and watching it right in front of you. Ben was with his grandparents today and my wife's mother said to him, you know, Alex Trebek died.

And Ben goes, yeah, no shit, grandma. Like he heard she did, I think. And then Carrie got mad and he went to his room and it's like, so yeah. So I had that going too. He didn't even say what is no shit. Oh man. Anyway.

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age and location restrictions apply. All right, before we go, House is back. I want to talk about the election really quick. House is in D.C. when it was revealed yesterday that our next president will be Joseph Biden. What was D.C. like?

So D.C. is an extremely left-leaning city by identity, and it's been that way since its inception. And there was a palpable buzz in the city, accompanied by all the major thoroughfares, cars driving up and down, honking, young people hanging out of the cars, waving banners, a great convening down at the Black Lives Matter Plaza. Washington, D.C. is ready for the Trump

family to relocate. Hmm. Sal, same scene in Manhattan Beach or no? A little mix, little mix in Manhattan Beach, I'm going to say. I will say you and I, though, actually all of us, we were sending the odds. We were a slave to the betting market when it came to this. And so going into the week,

what was Biden? Like 220? 190? What was he doing into the week? He settled at about in the 175. Minus 175, minus 180 range. And Trump was plus 160. Then he was plus 150.

And I started sending it to you guys because I was always of the opinion that I didn't trust the polls. I think people lie on the polls. I just don't trust them anymore. And I just thought it was going to be a toss up. And Trump started dropping. Yeah. And remember when he got to plus 140, I'm like, oh my God,

should we try to buy the wind to save the country and just bet on Trump and put our stink on him? And that night, and we were texting back and forth when all of a sudden Trump was favored. It was about the same time as when Hillary took a dump, right? It was about 7 o'clock our time, probably 10 o'clock your time, House.

And that line went to minus 600 for Trump. Now, the polls were all wrong. They were almost all wrong for the states and for the margin, say, 8% to 10%. It was never going to be that. It's not going to be that. But the one thing we did know is, come Tuesday night, it was going to appear as if Donald Trump was going to win. He was going to have more votes. He was going to have the electoral college. He was going to be winning Pennsylvania and all these big states. So he should have been like minus 200 around there. Everyone panicked and bet it up to

minus 600. And by the way, they should have a gambling correspondent on hand. There was like over $550 billion bet on this. Like I know a lot of it was overseas, but between the trade markets and just like illegal gambling, there was a ton bet on this election. You know, the move was that should have been ESPN's counter-programming. Yes.

Because I don't even know what they had. They were showing like figure skating or something. I was so fascinated by the betting markets, which is hilarious and speaks to what degenerates the three of us are. Basically, the country, God only knows what would have happened if the election had gone differently. But the Betty markets, I would say House and I were talking before I was driving back. I felt like I understood most of this stuff. I don't think they did a good job of explaining that some states counted the mail-in ballots right away and then other ones waited till after.

And it's like CNN, they're on fucking 24 hours a day and they never really fully explained that to us. And even when Trump started to pull away in some of these states and I had 45 minutes where I was like, oh my God, this is, this is, this is going to be a disaster. Seemed like a crucial moment. Well, as you know, Pennsylvania counts it after. I'm like, no, I didn't know that. You could have fucking told me before, you know, 11 o'clock on the East Coast.

House, you had the same thing, right? You didn't yeah i i was really uh upset by the way that the information was delivered and the the lack of context right this is the most unique year in the history of the republic in terms of counting votes and and the the circumstances under which votes were cast and every state has its own unique approach to it. And the state's legislatures had to enact laws in the last year to create a mechanism to try and count votes in a fair way. And Tuesday night was not the night to be revealing results of,

of really anything other than the states that were locks like california new york those are going to be blue uh idaho is going to be red alabama is going to be red okay that's fine go ahead and color all those in yeah there were eight states that mattered they're they're pretending that that biden had a chance in texas and florida ridiculous what's going on here it's like then we eventually find out oh we actually know what's going on here? It's like, then we eventually find out, oh, we actually know what's going on here. Yeah. That this was counted the way it was. Like, he never had a chance to either of those.

I think the important thing to take from this, and we'll forget about it next election, is that everybody is full of shit. Everybody, honestly. And, you know, George Stephanopoulos was on, my cousin, on Jimmy Kimmel Live, and he's like, yeah, I was getting texts from experts, people I trusted, and it was all wrong. It was all bad information and bad predictive

stuff. And I'm just as much to blame when it comes to sports gambling. If you listen to this podcast for years, or you watch me on Fox Bet Live, I could be wrong and lose money five weeks in a row. And I'm screaming about how Kyla Murray's bad and someone, some idiot's going to believe me. But so I think the loudest person wins the loud, you know, just take it all with a grain of salt. I mean, we went to bed, I went to bed like at two 30. Biden was a, Trump was minus two 50. I woke up at four 30. I sent you guys a text. Biden was minus two 50. I was like, what the hell is going on? How does that flip? Wisconsin's won. Michigan's won.

It's just amazing how it all was so close. So there's a 45-minute stretch on Tuesday when all of a sudden it dropped to Trump even. And then it jumped to Trump minus 150. And then all of a sudden it was like Trump minus 240. And we're all texting each other and we're like, oh my God, what's happening? As it turns out, it's just, they're moving the lines because people are just betting Trump. They don't know any better. They're just watching CNN like

we are. It gets all the way to minus 700 on some sites, but the most normal ones had it at minus 600 for a little bit, settled at minus 400. My friend Haral Bob, who tweeted about how he was taking advantage of the disparity. I think it was plus 290. It stayed for a while. And a lot of smart people jumped in. And I don't even know how you bet like major money on, on whatever sites.

It's international. You can't bet it domestically. Yeah. It's more trading. Yeah. It's like. You can't bet it domestically. Yeah, it's more trading. Exactly. Yeah. It's like bet fair. So Biden was, yeah, he was like plus 290

for, I don't know, 45 minutes. And in that 45 minutes, people made a killing and it's going down as one of the most memorable gambling nights, I think ever. On top of all the other stuff

that happened where these wild swings that are based on nothing. Just people going, oh, it seems like Trump's going to win. I better get in on this. Unbelievable. We're fraudulent. So it's all emotional betting until it settles in. And then you're like, even then we're like, oh, I don't even know if he's going to win Pennsylvania. And then you see Biden's minus 1200 to win Pennsylvania, but he's down 40,000 votes. Like, how is this? And then you kind of have to trust it when it settles. You just have to figure out when it actually settled. Right. I was, I'm now retroactively furious at CNN because they knew the whole time. And they were like,

we were all like crack addicts and they're just doling out little crack cubes. So it'd be like coming up, we'll get some more votes from Georgia right after this. And then three days later, you learn like, Oh yeah. Every,

you know, they're counting all these votes by hand every three hours. It's like, Hey, we have another 2000 votes. We're not going to learn anything about Georgia, you know, they're counting all these votes by hand. Every three hours, it's like, hey, we have another 2,000 votes. We're not going to learn anything about Georgia, you know, in some of these states. And CNN, their whole goal was just to,

they just had John King up there just pointing at counties. I mean, he's great at his job, but I do feel like I felt a little used and abused. Well, he and Steve Kornacki, is that the guy's name over on MSN? Those two guys standing at the board. But your point is the right one. They definitely took advantage. You can't treat it in this horse race manner.

And I hope that that is a takeaway four years from now. I mean, I understand that those are television networks in the business of making money by having commercials and having eyes on them. So they strung it out as long as they can. But the point we're making here is that if you had dedicated the time and energy to understand the count, the timing of the count, and where population centers are blue and where they're red in the individual states that made a difference, you could have had an opinion to make a bet. And the betting markets had that opinion, the probabilities. This is why H Bob killed it. The probabilities market had Biden at 70% when he was, uh, uh, you know, on Tuesday night, the, the, the way the news read, he was down in, you know, 40 states or whatever it was.

Yeah. Well. It all. So you guys are saying they shouldn't have counted the votes. By Thursday night, we knew where it was going And then it took until Friday and then Saturday morning. And there's just, it's just nice to think of at least a couple years where we don't have to deal with somebody who, and I don't even care about the Republican Democrat thing. Just the effect that he had on everybody's psyche, I don't think we'll ever see anything like that in our lifetime where it's like this same sensation of we all have a relative that might even be one of

our fathers at Thanksgiving after a couple of drinks. And you're just like, oh God, please don't, don't say it. Don't, don't, don't. Oh no. Oh, I see that look in your eye. This is, oh no, somebody's feelings are about to get hurt. And this is what our country was like for four years with this lunatic. Why don't we just buy everybody a Four Seasons Landscaping Company sweatshirt and we'll all be fine. That is the best. I don't get that. What is a Four Seasons Landscaping Shirt?

You didn't see that? No. His last press conference, he was supposed to, Trump was supposed to have a press conference at 8.30 a.m. West Coast time. On Saturday? On Saturday.

CNN, MSNBC called the election at 8.15. I think they wanted to scoop him. He ends up not showing up at the press conference. It was at the Four Seasons Landscaping company, right? They meant to book it. The story is that they meant to book it at this Four Seasons, the real Four Seasons hotel. In Philadelphia. But they have it in Philadelphia, but it's at this landscaping company by a freaking garden hose, and there's a pawn shop next to it. And Rudy Giuliani took it instead of Trump because he's like, screw this at this point. I'm not speaking.

And it was just a, oh, you got to look it up. That's an all-time rock about it. Once he was declared winner, I was out. I wasn't watching anything after that. I didn't see his speech last night. I mean, the irony is the Republicans are probably going to win these runoffs. Yeah. And kind of Biden's first two years, he won't be able to do that much anyway. but it's not going to matter because all he has to do is what he did in that speech.

Just talk about, hey, I'm here to be the president for everybody. I don't want us to be divided anymore. Can we go back to being good people again? Hey, all he has to do is just do that and stay on that message. Good. I don't know. That sounds awesome. Yep. Just cut the noise out, please, for a little bit. All right, Good. I don't know. That sounds awesome. Yep.

Just cut the noise out, please, for a little bit. All right, House. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, fellas. Always a pleasure. All right, Sal, what do you got to plug? The Extra Points Podcast, Monday, Wednesday, Friday on the Extra Points Podcast Network.

We got Against All Odds, Tuesday night, Fox Bet Live, 5 p.m. Eastern on FS1. I will be on that, and I do the thursday night pregame show on fox a lot of fox stuff going on a lot of fox stuff you're stepping it up with those thursday bits i know thank you i think the pandemic really you know you really had to well i gotta say you get some um celebrities in there who might normally say no to you and you're like hey just give me 10 seconds on zoom i just need a sound you and you're like, hey, just give me 10 seconds on Zoom. I just need a soundbite.

And they're like, yeah, alright, I can do that. I've got Joel McHale with me in a couple weeks and we've got something good this week too. Sal, as always, good job by you. Good job by you! That's it for the BSPod. I am not on the rewatchables this week but it's a great movie.

A classic. I handed it off. Get ready for that and, but it's a great movie, a classic. I handed it off. Get ready for that. And then I'll be back on this podcast on Tuesday. And by the way, Book of Basketball coming back on Wednesday night. A whole new season. Very excited about it. So stay tuned for that.

See you on this feed on Tuesday. I want to see them on the way so I never say I don't have feelings with them. I want to see them on the way so I never say I don't have feelings with them.