The Bill Simmons Podcast - Welcome to Wonk Week! Plus: Backup QB Saviors, Pats Déjà Vu, and Week 9 Lines With Cousin Sal.

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss a truly bizarre week of games in the NFL (2:03) before they Guess the Lines for Week 9 (39:16). They wrap up with a Halloween rendition o...f Parent Corner (1:03:21) and a spoiler-y conversation about the latest episode of 'Succession' (1:09:59). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Sal Iacono Producer: Isaac Lee Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:03:54 It's all next, first, ouring this Halloween night. It is almost 9 o'clock Pacific time. Cousin Sal is here. He just had a Halloween party with a ton of kids. I just fended off a thousand trick-or-treaters watching your ridiculous team. Really, it felt like the Vikings season is now over, even though they're 3-3.
Starting point is 00:04:36 I don't know. How do you come back from that? You lose to a backup quarterback. What do you do if you're the Vikings? We are trying to lose to teams. We just can't do it. We're giving, you want a free game? Here's a nice, you say trick-or trick or treat, we say treat, and you don't take it from Cooper Rush
Starting point is 00:04:49 and the decimated Cowboys and no Dak Prescott. You find out an hour before the game. Yeah, that was, I don't know. I saw a lot of teams today that I know are going to make the playoffs, but I have no desire to watch them, even one game. I know we'll get to it, but the Vikings are certainly one of them because that seven seed, like we talked about, it's up for grabs. That stupid Falcons team could still get it too, but I'm happy with this Cowboys squad. And we haven't even had Gallup come back.
Starting point is 00:05:15 This is terrific. The seven seed in the NFC, I was looking at that during that game, actually, where you got Packers, Cards, Rams, Cowboys, Bucks. We'll throw in the Saints since they just have some sort of resilience to them that can't be quantified. But then you go seventh seed, Panthers four and four. I haven't seen them look good in at least a month. Even today, they beat Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:05:38 I didn't feel like they looked good. Minnesota, San Francisco three and four. Atlanta three and four. Matt Ryan did it again. The Eagles 3-5, Seahawks 3-5, Bears 3-5, Giants 2-5. You got me, Sal. I don't know if we're betting on that. If you had to bet your life, who are you betting on?
Starting point is 00:05:57 Yeah, I don't know. All I know is I have to, have to, have to be done with the Atlanta Falcons. I've doubled up on them again. I bet them to make the playoffs yesterday at like plus 290. Please, the next time I mention betting on them or them making the playoffs, I want you to send your son over.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Send Ben over to kick me in the nuts and go on Amazon and buy bear spray and just finish me off right through the nose because I can't do it anymore with this team. Like I said, I think there's about seven, eight of these teams, and we'll get to the one that killed everybody today. But there's a bunch that are just unreliable week to week.
Starting point is 00:06:33 I didn't bet on Panthers-Falcons. We are in that picks poll where we have to pick every game. I picked the Panthers. I had no other reason than it just seemed a problem to me that the Falcons could be four and three. That was my only reason. It's like, really? They're going to be four and three? I had no other reason than it just seemed a problem to me that the Falcons could be 4-3. That was my only reason. It's like, really?
Starting point is 00:06:47 They're going to be 4-3? They're going to be on pace for, I don't know, 10-7? That's a thing that's going to happen? Let's talk about Minnesota quick. So your team basically completes two long plays, and Cedric Wilson looked like Lamar Jackson on that role play. That was an incredible... Other than that, you didn't do anything the whole game. I don't...
Starting point is 00:07:09 Minnesota's at a point with Cousins where they have the ball back down for 51 seconds left. You don't even need to watch. There's just no way. He's not bringing them back. There's a weird vibe. Would you be surprised if Zimmer got canned within either tomorrow or eight days from now?
Starting point is 00:07:26 Because I would not. We talk about that a lot over the years. But no, I don't think it's happening. Because as long as they're in the playoff hunt, if they end up 3-9 or 4-8 or something like that, then you might want to consider it. But I don't think in the next couple of weeks. I don't think anything happens in the next couple of weeks.
Starting point is 00:07:45 I don't want to kill our ratings or tune in to our subscriber viewership, whatever. But I feel like, you know, making broad statements for over the next four weeks, especially with the extra week, don't you think like week 12 is when we should really be analyzing these five and five teams going into week 12? Everybody's had a bye. I don't know. I'm just not counting anybody out, but I also don't think there's,
Starting point is 00:08:08 I think there's like three or four teams that could make the Super Bowl and not much more than that. I'm going to read you some texts from my buddy, Jeff Gallo, Vikings fan. Minnesota is a shit show. How Vegas and everyone else cannot see how totally inept they are is beyond me.
Starting point is 00:08:24 There's not a single team that is given they will beat. Any game that matters is cashing free checks. Zimmer gone. Everyone out. Fans should boycott every game the rest of the season. They're 3-3. He's so upset. But I think all the Vikings fans are like,
Starting point is 00:08:40 all right, we're 3-3, but what were the three? Oh, they're 3-4 now. I'm sorry. They lose the Bengals game in OT. They lose that dumb Cardinals game where the guy misses the field goal to win it. That terrible Browns 14 to seven game. And then this was the coup de grace. Losing to Cooper Rush, Campbell Rush. What's his first name?
Starting point is 00:09:00 Cooper. And you better learn it. Cooper Rush. God bless him. You try six or seven ginger quarterbacks and eventually one of them is going to work out. What's his first name? Cooper, and you better learn it. Craig Rush? Cooper Rush. God bless him. You try six or seven ginger quarterbacks, and eventually one of them is going to work out. That's just how it is.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Yeah, they're three and a half games back, the Vikings. I mean, we talked about that seven seed and getting a playoff spot and everything, but three and a half back with Packers. Some of these divisions are done. The Eagles, even with their win, are three and a half back of the Cowboys. And then the Titans, I think, are three ahead of the Colts. Everything else is fairly close, but some divisions, really, even this early, are done. Well, they lost Hunter in the second quarter. Peterson's hurt.
Starting point is 00:09:39 That feels like a tailspin. If I had to pick out of all these teams, all these possible seven seeds, I think... I don't think I could pick. One of the best teams. No, I don't think I could pick. Seattle or San Francisco,
Starting point is 00:09:56 one of them will get in there. Really, Seattle? Because they killed the Jaguars today? I don't know. Maybe the Niners, three and four, who they've had some injuries come in out of the gate. Feels like second
Starting point is 00:10:08 half of the season they're going to have the team, but then you think they're playing that NFC West schedule, and that's... I don't know. Carolina's 4-4, but I don't like them at all. I honestly don't know. I don't know who I would take. Philly? Rams or Cardinals are the five. The Saints will probably be...
Starting point is 00:10:23 See, again, I hate doing this because it's so early. Saints will probably be the six. And then you're right. It's Panthers. It's Bears. It's Eagles or San Francisco or Seattle or that Vikings team we just saw. But the Saints lost their quarterback today. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:10:37 When does he come back? Not that Winston was lighting it up, but. They say Taysom Hill should be back, could be back next week. So that could help. And that's what people thought anyway. Awesome. is that what is that well is he better than is he better than Sam Darnold or PJ Walker is he better than uh is he better than Geno Smith I mean this is what you have to compare him to well this week was wonk week. You knew it was coming. I could see the title of this podcast being Welcome to Wonk Week. We had seven underdogs, one outright,
Starting point is 00:11:10 and then your team officially became an underdog when Dak got scratched. Right. So if you count the Packers and you count Dallas tonight, that's eight underdogs, not just covering, winning outright. And last week's Super Bowl, the two teams that everybody was excited about were Tampa and Cincy. They both lost. Cincy murdered more teases, parlays, elimination pools, million-dollar picks. It was carnage all over the place. They're up 11 against the Jets in the fourth quarter
Starting point is 00:11:41 and somehow blow it. You could feel it the whole game. When I talk about wonk week, when I remember this week seven years from now, this was the first time where I'm like, wow, there might be so much gambling that we might have figured out how to fix some games here. There was a call in that Bengals-Jets game. You mentioned that a couple times on our text chains.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Like, this is fixed, and this game feels fixed too. Yeah, I was like, this one's Tampa. Tampa Saints, first quarter. I was like, this one's Tampa, Tampa States first quarter. I was like, ah, fixes in, here we go.
Starting point is 00:12:08 But yeah, there was a call in that Bengals jets game. That wasn't just the worst call of the year. Yeah. It's bad, but it's one of the worst football calls of all time. They get a stop. They're down. They're down three.
Starting point is 00:12:18 They get the stop with two and a half minutes left. Um, screen pass the running back guy comes in. He actually holds up on the tackle a little bit. He doesn't launch. He lowers his head. The Jets guy lowers his head. Lowers his head into the guy's head.
Starting point is 00:12:32 The ref's throwing the flag basically as the tackle's happening. And all of a sudden, it's like, no, he's not going to call helmet to helmet on that. That hit happens 50 times a game. Now, helmet to helmet. And Jets win. And that hit happens 50 times a game. Now, helmet to helmet and jet swing. Now, did the Bengals deserve to be in that position of relying on a dumb flag? Of course, they did it to themselves, especially up 11 against Mike White. The game should be over.
Starting point is 00:12:56 But that call was particularly awful. You agree? I absolutely agree. And you're right. That flag was out of the pocket because the ref envisioned it in his head the way that should go or where he thought it was going. And I get it. You have to protect these players, but you protected the wrong player.ator pool and now can't feed their family for three weeks. Or whoever had Cincinnati on a Moneyline parlay, for God's sakes. Protect those people. That's who should be protected, not the Jets headhunter who went out there and won the game for them by lowering his noggin.
Starting point is 00:13:40 It was crazy to me. They have to review these. They have to be able, at least personal fouls within two minutes need to be reviewed. They're too big, too big a play to be able to end the game like that. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:13:52 I think helmet to helmet should be reviewed. Like if one of the teams wants to challenge it, I think you should be able to challenge it because if you watch that on a replay, that was clearly not helmet to helmet and they would have pulled up the flag. There's been other times when there has been helmet to helmet that they would have pulled up the flag. There's been other times when there has been
Starting point is 00:14:06 helmet to helmet that they've just missed over and over again. Even that Daniel Jones play last week when he made that one-handed catch and the guy launched right into him, helmet to helmet. They didn't call that. I'm all about getting it right. As we enter our five into World Series
Starting point is 00:14:22 game, whatever the hell this is, five, and people are still watching like, we can get these football games right where everybody's laying it on the line and you have more eyeballs on it. Like, I don't know. One of my friends said, how about you could review one or two penalties per game on your team? That's not bad. I mean, I want to review everything, but at least be able, that has to be reviewable, that last piece of garbage call. Well, the NBA did, they basically fixed the launch foul this year with
Starting point is 00:14:49 the Trae Young role, where the guys just launched in, and it's made a huge difference in the quality of play. The games are a little more physical. Wizard Celtics double OT yesterday, which I have not enjoyed the Celtics season. It was a really fun physical game, and these guys, they're just not getting the calls that they used to get,
Starting point is 00:15:07 but the product's better. I enjoy it more. And, you know, I, I get that they're trying to legislate the head safety stuff, but it should also be reviewable because it's such a hard thing to figure out intent when guys are launching.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And also like, sometimes the guy's going for the tackle and the offensive player changes what he was doing and can't expect the guy to stop in time. There was another play with Golston today on the Bucs, right? He got his helmet ripped off as he was hitting, I forget who the Saints quarterback was. Was it Simeon at that? But whoever the Saints quarterback was.
Starting point is 00:15:39 And he couldn't see if he threw the ball or not because his helmet was getting ripped off, which they missed. Then he hit the guy and it's like, that's definitely not a late hit. I don't know what you're doing. I hate it. I mean, you talk about week eight is the wonky week. It's the bad, bad, bad week for the refs.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Not that any week is particularly good, but great week, I think, for the backup, right? Mike White, you mentioned. P.J. Walker, Cooper Rush. Am I missing somebody? It feels like somebody else. Ben Roethlisberger.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Oh, no. He's their starter. Sorry. Trevor Simeon. Trevor Simeon, yeah. That's another one. Yeah. Huge.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Four big backups and against good teams, some of those we're talking about. And each, White was the only one who actually was lighting it up. Mike White was great in that game. He threw two terrible picks. Other than that, what did he finish like 32 for 38 no it was 37 for 45 405 three touchdowns
Starting point is 00:16:30 I don't think there were two terrible picks one should have been a pick that wasn't but a couple were just bounced like deflected balls but
Starting point is 00:16:36 yeah you're right that's fair it was good he was damn good he took advantage of Bengals so this was a trap game.
Starting point is 00:16:45 We knew this heading in, but after watching the Pats kill the Jets, you think like, oh, the Jets, not only do they suck, not only have they lost a bunch of people, but now white Lotus creator,
Starting point is 00:16:55 Mike White is going to be quarterbacking them this week. This is easy. Throw them in every tease parlay. He came out of the gates. It wasn't like he heated up during the game. He came out of opening drive, went right down the heated up during the game he came out of opening drive went right down the field and everybody who's watching this is going uh oh
Starting point is 00:17:09 then the Bengals are having trouble blocking for Burrow it's like uh oh but the Bengals like clawed out of it and all of a sudden they're up 11 and it had all the makings of the okay here's the pick six and they win 38-21 and we go oh man who are the Bengals
Starting point is 00:17:24 oh they really made us work nope Mike White goes right down here's the pick six and they win 38, 21. And we go, Oh man, the Bengals. Well, they merely made us work. Nope. Mike White goes right down. And then the Bengals burrow throws a pick on one of the worst play calls of the week. The, the delayed I'm pretending we're going right. Stop blind screen the other way that if the defensive lineman's there, it's a pick every time. And then I'll send there down, but it, I really believed in the Bengals after last week, but I guess this goes back to your point. It's like we should have no takes until week 12.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Yeah, I think so. And I'm not saying everyone take a month off because the pumpkin picking is done, so you can't really do that anymore. Yeah, we're back. Yeah, that Bengals thing was something. The Jets do play gritty sometimes. You never know when it's going to happen. It's probably probably every 10 weeks or so, or 8 weeks.
Starting point is 00:18:08 You don't want to be on the wrong side. How about that Keelan Cole catch that didn't count as a touchdown? He came out throwing that, Mike White. He wasn't just check down, back up. None of these backups were check down, like, you know, 4-yard out to the fullback all day. They really came out and had a game plan.
Starting point is 00:18:23 I think, like, screwed with a team like the Bengals. Oh, you're right. How do you get up for this game after beating Lamar and stopping him? The Browns next week. We'll beat the Jets. Let's start thinking about the Browns. Bad sandwich game for sure. A couple of things that worried me. Well, the Bengals, the
Starting point is 00:18:39 offensive line, there's just some weeks where it's unclear if they can protect Burrow properly. The linebackers couldn't cover anything today. The weird thing for me is last week their defense looked so fast against Baltimore. They were in all the right spots.
Starting point is 00:18:55 They were flying around. And this week it looked like it was last year's team. I wonder sometimes if you're the Bengals, the DNA is just too hard to overcome. You just can't have nice things when you're the Bengals, the DNA is just too hard to overcome. You just can't have nice things when you're the Bengals. Honestly, it was going too well. They almost had to sabotage it. It was like you have that friend who just can't find love with anybody.
Starting point is 00:19:16 And then he finally meets somebody and he's like, no, this might be the one. And it's like, okay, just wait. Then they screw it up. That's the Bengals. You're just out on probation. Leave that prostitute alone. Come on. Come on. Don't pick her up. Yeah, I think you're right. There are some teams like that. The Bengals are one of them. I think the Bengals and Chargers are two teams that everyone, a lot of people like, oh my God, this team could go to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:19:41 You watch, they're going to win a division that was unwinnable by these franchises and a decade's worth of football. Now, I think we feel the same way about you pushed them around. Let's take a break. We'll talk Pat's charges. I don't want to take a break. We're going to take a break. All right.
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Starting point is 00:21:09 Here's where I disagree. I think the Bengals had a bad game that they didn't get up for, and some things snowballed, and Mike White caught fire, and it just kind of became one of those dumb games. I think the Chargers have lost too much on defense now. Yeah. You know, even during that game, they ran out of secondary people.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Their defense, their run defense, wasn't that good to begin with. I actually think the Pats should have won that game by 20 points. It was the worst. It was 31st or 32nd, the run defense. Yeah, for sure. Actually, I don't know what we were doing in the first half. I felt like we could have run the ball down their throat the whole game
Starting point is 00:21:45 McDaniels was doing his coaching tape for his next head coaching job next year was doing all his stupid goofy pass plays and the third and one trying to outthink them plays and as soon as we just started smash mouth and play action we could do whatever we wanted
Starting point is 00:22:01 he missed a lot of throws though he really did. Mack Jones. Oh, Mack was bad. I think you could have won by more, but I know what you're saying. You should have been able to run on him, but he also missed a lot. He only completed about half his passes. I thought he...
Starting point is 00:22:18 It's happened a couple times. It happened in the Miami game, too, in the first half, where he looked a little uncomfortable, but then he settled down completely. Herbert missed a couple throws. It happened in the Miami game too in the first half where he looked a little uncomfortable, but then he settled down completely. Herbert missed a couple throws. Mike Williams isn't totally healthy. Eckler was hurt. It had a vibe. I feel like if we
Starting point is 00:22:35 played that game 10 times, I think there's a couple versions where the Pats win by 20 if they do a couple smart things. You beat them 45-0 last year out here, which is, I must have buried that game from my memory. I don't know why. But you talk about a team that might have another number.
Starting point is 00:22:52 But Mac Jones, like, I thought Mac overthrew a lot of guys. Justin Herbert was forcing, was really trying to thread the needle on a bunch. He had two picks, probably could have had five in this day and age where everything gets tipped and brought in. But yeah, I don't know what to think of this Chargers team. And this is really where they could be pulling away in that division
Starting point is 00:23:10 where a very, very iffy Chiefs team. And it'd be great if it all went to the Raiders who didn't even play this week. Yeah, I think with the Pats, that game unfolded very similarly to the Miami game, the Dallas game, and the Tampa game. And it was like dumb penalties and there's Harris, 25 yard touchdown. Oh no, there's a flag. And it was like all those kind of moments.
Starting point is 00:23:32 And it was like, oh, I guess this is Groundhog Day for this 2021 Pats. But then they pulled out of it and that interception, pick six up and then they had a great drive. And I think I continue to think the Pats are good. I know I've said this week after week with you
Starting point is 00:23:49 for the last three, four weeks, but I think they're a pretty complete team. I don't know if they're on the level of the top five, but I think it's a good football team that is showing a little resiliency in some of these games. I'm coming around a little. If not only for the fact that you're going to be in a lot of these games. You are.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I don't think you're going to get embarrassed too much. I read too much into the fact that three of your wins were against two, against the Jets and one against the Texans. Yeah. But it doesn't really matter at this point. As long as you're healthy, as long as you have that running game, and Belichick gets you playing gritty defense, which he will, you're going to be in all these.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Well, you know the other thing with the Chargers, so they're 2-2 at home, which I mean, the Pats are 1-4 at home. But the Chargers, to have a game like that, it's like the Romo-Nance game. Are they 2-2 at home? They don't have three losses? I guess you're right. I have 2-2 at home, 2-1 at home.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Well, they're never at home anyway. It's like the signature CBS game, right? And you have what, 50,000 Pats fans there, 45,000 Pats fans? It's a lot. And Herbert's going with the silent count in his own stadium. I don't know. That stuff adds up when
Starting point is 00:24:59 it's just every game you're on the road, basically, unless you're playing somebody shitty. Well, Nephew Kyle was passed out in the second quarter. Do you even count him as a fan there? I mean, he's not making any noise. He was very much alive. He's not producing the pod tonight because he wanted to go to the Patch Chargers. And he incoherently FaceTimed me after the game.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Oh, nice. And did the whole thing where, you know, when somebody's definitely having a good time, they hold the phone up and they do the 360 twirl of the surroundings. And you're just going, yeah! He had a great time. I think the Pats...
Starting point is 00:25:29 Look what you're missing! I'll see you in six hours after I pay $400 for an Uber. It's going to be two hours to get out of here! Yeah! I think the pick six was a great moment though. But you know, Sal, far be it for me to
Starting point is 00:25:45 make a huge leap here, but there was an emotional win over the Chargers in 2001 with the first year starting quarterback by the name of Tom Brady. Don't remember. The Pats went 500 team first half of the year
Starting point is 00:26:02 and then kind of came together as the year went along. It is a topic in the Pats threats, in the Pats message boards, Pats text threats. There's a couple parallels. Just a couple. Same coach. First year starter. Team
Starting point is 00:26:17 kind of slowly getting better, but nobody taking them seriously. We're starting to get ideas. All right. Look, I want you to be excited about this season. I don't need you shifting to basketball. So I'll pretend that the Pats are a threat, a legitimate threat in the AFC. I really appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah. I will say this. The Chargers, who I think we all got excited about. And now we have the eight games under our belt and you can kind of go back and be like, should we have been excited for these wins? And you go back and you go, all right, they beat Washington by four. They lost to your team. That was a dumb game week two.
Starting point is 00:26:52 They beat Kansas City by six. A win that seems way less impressive than it did in week three, right? They beat Vegas in week four right as the Gruden stuff was kind of fermenting. Right.
Starting point is 00:27:09 They beat Cleveland 47-42. Giving up 42 points to Cleveland now is looking terrible. They get killed by Baltimore by week, and then they lose to the Pats. Maybe they're just not good. Well, I said this. I mean, just breaking it down by unit, any team that's 31st or 32nd, I don't know what they are after
Starting point is 00:27:29 today, in rush defense, everyone's got a shot. Everybody's got a shot at you. I don't care how well Herbert's connecting with Williams or Allen or any of those guys or Eckler out of the backfield. If you can run over a team, you control time and possession,
Starting point is 00:27:45 you're going to score in the 20s. And that's basically what the Patriots did. Let's talk about Tampa. The Saints, just these certain teams. Miami used to do this to them a couple times. The Giants, obviously. These teams that can kind of push the line on him. And you kind of know it when he's having one of those bad Brady games
Starting point is 00:28:07 when the passes are kind of sailing around and the camera cuts to him and he's kind of just staring at whatever just happened for an extra two seconds. And he just never seemed totally comfortable. And yet they get this huge break with Winston going out. And I thought Hill was coming in. I forgot he was here. Then it's Trevor Simeon. Trevor Simeon, where did he come from? It didn't matter. They were able to
Starting point is 00:28:31 hold off the big buck surge in the second half. What did you make of that game? I mean, you... Listen, we're on this text chain. It's me, you, it's House, it's Hench, and we're always sending each other live lines, right? So it's like, oh my God, at one point, brady was plus 370 against trevor simeon now they had some points to make
Starting point is 00:28:50 up i think 10 at the time but like what the hell are we doing what are we waiting for here yeah simon this is our fault we did this to tampo we did it we bet him to win mvp i don't know was it monday tuesday it was plus 500, plus 550. I bet Tampa to have the best regular season record. I'm like, ah, they're going to go 14-3, 15-2. That's good enough. So we absolutely did this to them, but it did seem like, let's give this game
Starting point is 00:29:15 away. We don't care. As much as a division game should matter, just didn't seem to matter to the Bucs today. It's a weird one, especially when Jameis goes out. There seemed to be an arrogance that sent in. I think we're only eight games in, but you could say this is the half season awards, right?
Starting point is 00:29:35 I don't know who the MVP is. Sean Payton's got to be in the running for a coach of the year if you're going to try to figure out who coach of the year is. How are the Saints 5-2? Honestly, they're missing their second-best offensive player the whole time. They have a quarterback who threw for three yards an attempt last week, and then
Starting point is 00:29:55 looks like he blew out his knee this week. It didn't seem promising. They've just kind of found a way to... They killed Green Bay in week one, and everyone throws away week one, but that still counts. Green Bay hasn't lost since. They beat Tampa.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Where they got killed because their whole coaching staff was out, right? I mean, I guess that would have worked better for him if he was one of the coaches that were out. But yeah, you're right. I don't know. I'd be singing a song for my own coach, not my own coach.
Starting point is 00:30:20 He almost screwed up in Minnesota tonight, but you're Belichick. If I were you, that's who I would be. I think that's a few weeks away because four and four, you're not coach of the year. Josh Allen, I'm just sorry. I'm looking at Fandles numbers. Josh Allen is two to one to win MVP and Brady
Starting point is 00:30:36 six to one now. It's so early. It seems like all the value on two to one. They were terrible for three quarters today at Buffalo. Did you see that play when I didn't watch I wasn't that focused on Buffalo Miami but did circle in once it got
Starting point is 00:30:54 crunch timey 17-3 and it was like 4th and 6th or something and Tua got it and then the next play went deep and Buffalo just had a chance to step on their neck and finish them, send them away.
Starting point is 00:31:07 And they didn't. And then it was a one-score game. And I don't know. I kind of want to see that team in a slugfest with somebody over the next couple of weeks. When do they have a game where they can just like
Starting point is 00:31:18 go toe-to-toe with somebody? I think they have something coming up. Yeah, yeah. It's either this week or next week. Wait. Because we thought it was going to be KC week five, but that's a pretty compromised KC team. Yeah, because. It's either this week or next week. Wait. Because we thought it was going to be KC week five,
Starting point is 00:31:25 but that's a pretty compromised KC team. Yeah, because look at the next couple weeks, Sal. At Jacksonville. It's not at Jacksonville? You don't think it's at Jacksonville? At Jacksonville, at the Jets, and then home Colts, at New Orleans, and then home New England, and at Tampa, I guess, will be the-
Starting point is 00:31:39 At Tampa, December 12th. That'll be the stretch when we know. Because Belichick usually beats them like a drum. Geez, even around there, though. I mean, I guess they have two against the Patriots, but then they're home against the Falcons. They have the Jets again later. That's, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Well, that was the terrible thing about that Tampa loss. The schedule gets incredibly easy for them. Other than that Buffalo game, the Saints were the only good team that they were playing the rest of the way. And if they're not going to get a bigger gift than, you know, Winston going down in the second quarter and Taysom Hill's not there either. And they still blow it. Well, I'll tell you who we should have bet for going to have the best record.
Starting point is 00:32:14 And I think this was their best win. I mean, we talk about the Titans beating the Bills on Monday night, then beating the Chiefs. And then this one was pretty freaking legit. Not that the other two weren't, but down 14 to the Colts, at the Colts, in a game, a hangover following a hangover game. They easily could have lost, and they win 34-31.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Now, it helped that Carson Wentz, you know, looked like he was playing with his opposite arm, a middle school team. Like, I don't understand what happened there, how they lost, but they really don't have... What do you mean you don't understand? He's Carson Wentz. Oh yeah, he's Carson Wentz. Right, right. They have the Texans, Jaguars, Niners, Dolphins all at home.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Texans twice. This team's going to win 12 or 13 also. Yeah, the fact that they have the undisputed best record in the AFC right now is staggering to me. Yeah, at 6-2. I looked at that in the standings and it was the Titans at six and two and then the Raiders right under them at five and two.
Starting point is 00:33:08 And it's like, wow, this is where we are. We're almost at the halfway point. I'm very proud to say I have not bet on the Colts all year because I refused to bet on Carson Wentz. And it's for situations like today. It wasn't the only time that he did that, by the way. He does this thing where he's getting sacked and thinks it's a good idea
Starting point is 00:33:26 to just kind of throw the ball for grabs because there's a guy kind of close to him on his team. He does this once or twice a game. And to me, he's a no bet. I'm never betting on them. This year, I've managed to avoid betting on bad teams
Starting point is 00:33:41 and betting on quarterbacks like Carson Wentz because I can't take it. Man, if you're a Colts fan... It's brutal. I mean, the mascot was banging his head against the goalpost. That's good. That's how every Colts fan felt.
Starting point is 00:33:59 If you're a Colts fan, are you like, nah, Wentz will figure it out? You can't think that. You can't. This is who he is. He can out. You can't think that. You can't. This is who he is. He can't fucking take care of the ball. He can't.
Starting point is 00:34:08 But why did he? He was so good last Sunday night against the 49ers in the rain, side-arming passes. Like, we're getting it right in there. And only turned it over once. It wasn't an interception. It was a bad fumble. But, yeah, it was still in the rain.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I don't know. I just thought they should have finished them off today. I don't understand it at all. That defense is usually better than they were. But, I mean, that's the thing with the Titans. Are they going to win games now? Are they going to score 34 when Henry has, what, 70 yards rushing? Did he even have that much?
Starting point is 00:34:37 Well, the thing that's... 68 yards rushing. 28 for 68. The thing that the Titans do is you'll look up and they've just gotten their ass kicked for an hour because this happened in the Seahawks game too they just got their ass kicked and then they do have the resilience to come back from some of this stuff the thing with Wentz
Starting point is 00:34:58 to switch sports, think about baseball Erod was like this on the Red Sox this year these starters that can look good for like three starts in a row, or they can look good for five straight innings where it looks like, oh, they might throw a no hitter.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And they just, they can't help themselves. They have to do something dumb. They have to like, you know, walk the number nine hitter and then set up all of a sudden there's three guys on base and somebody's hitting a rock and he's coming out of the game.
Starting point is 00:35:26 Wentz just can't help himself. This is who he is. I think Daniel Jones is like this too. They can't help themselves. They're always going to have a turnover in a bad spot. Yeah, maybe. Change of scenery doesn't really matter, I guess. So Tennessee, what is their lead now? Well, they're another one.
Starting point is 00:35:42 They have three over them, right? They're six and2 and Indy's 3-5 so a full three games but it's even better than that head to head twice yeah they're 3-0 in their division so they basically gotta
Starting point is 00:35:57 they'd have to have some major injuries you know this is one of the cases for the Pats the Pats are 0-3 against the NFC and 4-1 in the AFC so if it gets into that 9-8 10-7 at the end of the year when we're trying to figure out who the 6-7 there's tiebreakers and stuff
Starting point is 00:36:13 the Pats have done really well in the conference I'm out on Carson Wentz alright I don't know why I got excited because like I think I said last week as a Cowboys fan I wasn't able to root for him with Philadelphia. And now it's like, oh, all right, this could be a little something. I don't like the Titans.
Starting point is 00:36:32 And he's replacing Phil Rivers, but I guess they would have been better off Phil Rivers keeping him on another year. Ooh, I don't know. Wow. You think that little Phil Rivers He had decent numbers Last year
Starting point is 00:36:47 If you look at it Where are you going Where are you going With old Phil Rivers though Speaking of old So Steelers beat the Browns Yeah We hit our underdog parlay
Starting point is 00:36:56 Which they boosted On FanDuel To plus 800 Mm-hmm Pat's Steelers Boost Crushed it Nice
Starting point is 00:37:04 But I was watching Brown Steelers With my it nice but I was watching Brown Steelers with my friend Hershey who was over and he asked is Roethlisberger one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time
Starting point is 00:37:13 hmm and I was like no that can't be possible yeah you told him no make your list so we're watching these terrible games making lists
Starting point is 00:37:21 you could make a Casey's number 10 I was actually kind of stunned. Super Bowl era, right? No crazy YA title stuff, right? Just Super Bowl era? Yeah, so I figured these nine have to be on. No particular order. Brady, Manning, Montana,
Starting point is 00:37:37 Rogers, Elway, Marino, Favre, Breeze, and then Johnny Unitas is the one old guy. Because everybody, he's like the Bob Cousin. Everyone kind of agrees.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Those nine, then it kind of drops. If you go look at the passing liners, now we're talking Ben, Warren Moon, Phil Rivers, Jim Kelly. Forgot to put Romo in there, but that's all right. Romo. Then you got the newer guys
Starting point is 00:38:06 who don't have the pedigree yet, like Wilson hasn't played long enough yet. Mahomes hasn't played long enough. And you kind of run out of guys. And then you're like, wow, he's probably the 10th best quarterback of all time. He could be 10. But you had this discussion before Cooper Rush
Starting point is 00:38:21 played, right? That's fair. That was like eight hours before Cooper Rush. Let me think. Yeah, I guess I would have to rethink that. So no Giants, no, I'm looking, Philly, McNabb, no. No, it's I'm telling you. We went through all the names. Kurt Warner?
Starting point is 00:38:38 Oh, that's interesting. So you'd have to go Warner, like five-year apex over totality of Ben's career but Ben had some like 5,000 yard seasons that's the thing
Starting point is 00:38:49 yeah one and close and if you're saying like from a memorable standpoint he was like kind of the master of the so big
Starting point is 00:38:57 it takes two guys to bring him down prolong the play people bouncing off him so it's not like it wasn't just numbers there was some sort of something to him.
Starting point is 00:39:07 The reason I bring this up is... I bet people would put Russ in there. You're right, though. You can't kick him out of the top 12 or 13, I don't think. I think he's holding 10 for Wilson or Mahomes. I think one of those guys takes the spot, but right now, I think he's 10. The reason I bring it up is
Starting point is 00:39:23 he's like a shell of himself now in these Browns games. But he makes enough plays to let them hang around. He has that old guy like when you're playing golf with some dad of four kids
Starting point is 00:39:37 and they're hitting a drive to the woods and it hits a tree and bounces back in the fairway. He has how many of those passes a game? Where it hits two defenders who are trying to get the interception.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Right. They both drop it. And there, he has a weird confidence to him. And I wasn't surprised they beat the Browns. Were you? No, I wasn't.
Starting point is 00:39:57 And I think this is three games in a row where he hasn't thrown an interception, which is big. And he had one thing they had against them, which is the biggest thing of all is their kicker became a passer um Tomlin held hang him on to out to dry and so then they didn't have a kicker and why no punter can make a 25 yard field goals beyond me like I don't know why you can't put a punter in for an extra point but whatever and I know he's like an obese punter this guy
Starting point is 00:40:23 which would have been hilarious to see. But every time they almost trotted him on the field and then they didn't, they brought him back. Yeah, what were they doing with that? It was like they were pretending he was going to come out. It's like, who are you trying to psych out? Right, and they're teasing everybody. But yeah, their defense keeps them in games.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Obviously, TJ Watt, what do you have, six touchdowns they had. They have four sacks total. Baker's not – Baker's just – he's playing like he has a busted-up labrum in the opposite shoulder. He really is. And people like – someone tweeted, it's like, oh, I can't wait. Can't wait to you and Simmons say this is Baker's fault and he was bad. I was like, you don't have to wait.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I'll tell you right now. He wasn't that good. He really wasn't. I mean, maybe Landry dropped the pass here or there, but you're at home against the Steelers and you scored 10 points and you were 20 for 31 with no touchdowns. I watched the entire game. He missed, I don't know, nine throws?
Starting point is 00:41:21 Yeah. Ten throws. Balls were sailing all over the place. I never thought he was going to put together a 10-play, 85-yard drive. I don't think the Steelers were scared of him at all. They were just like, we need to shut down the run. Baker's not going to hurt us. And I honestly think they win the game with Keenum.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I think Keenum gets in the 20 points. I think he would have been worth an extra 10. I thought Baker did nothing in that game. Yeah. And he's hurt. It's with reason. The whole left side of his body is immobilized. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Now, we'll get to it. Cincinnati-Cleveland. And it's not a loser-leave-towns match by any means because we're very early in the season still. But it's a loser I don't want to see in the playoffs, basically, out of those two. I'm kind of bored. I'm really bored by the Browns right now, especially the Browns.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Let's see where the Bengals take us the next few weeks. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the season does feel like it might be too long. The 17 weeks. I know. All the twists. There are nine weeks left. Every week there's seven different new takes that we have to juggle.
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Starting point is 00:43:11 4-3-1, is that what it is? 4-3-1, okay. 4-3-1, yep. Thursday night is Colts Jets on ESPN.com. I always enjoy the NFL Nation blogs where they have the blogs related to different teams or like recaps, stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Actual headline on ESPN.com's NFL Nation. Jets quarterback controversy? Question mark. Mike White sends a message to Zach Wilson. This is an unironic headline. Is there a quarterback controversy with the Jets? Are the Jets fans watching this going, hey, Mike White, why not? Could this be our Tom Brady?
Starting point is 00:43:49 I think they like this Mike White. It's hard to pull. Let me ask you this. He's going against Carson Wentz. Who do you trust more? Mike White. A million times. Watch Mike White take apart the Bengals. There's a controversy with him and another team's quarterback. It's weird. Certainly there is for his own. Yeah. How we're going to be 20 years after Mo Lewis hits blood zone and paves the way for the Brady dynasty, that the Patriots play the Jets, injures Zach
Starting point is 00:44:16 Wilson, and Mike White comes in and becomes one of the seven best quarterbacks in football. Wow. The White Lotus supplants Ben Roethlisberger as the 10th greatest quarterback ever. Oh my God. McBride was on fire. He murdered
Starting point is 00:44:32 the Bengals. And it was with Denzel Mims and Brandon Berrios. Are you fucking kidding me? He's the best backup we've seen this year. I'm trying to think. He was really good. When did we see a better backup for one game? Over 400 yards. That's insanity trying to think. He was really good. When did we see a better backup for one game? Over 400 yards.
Starting point is 00:44:47 That's insanity for a Jet. He was really good. There was a stretch where it seemed like he completed like 22 of 24 or something like that. And they were all on the money. It's not like
Starting point is 00:44:56 they were just perfect every time. He was 8 for 8 by 10.14 a.m. our time. Well, I'm going to bet him on Thursday and he'll probably throw seven picks. Yeah. I have. Well, I'm going to bet him on Thursday and he'll probably throw
Starting point is 00:45:05 seven picks. This is in Indy. I think this is Colts by 10.5 over the Jets. You're going to get it. I said 10. It's 11.5. But it opened, before they played today, it opened at 14. Oh.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Vandal likes Mike White. Well, I'll tell you this this The Colts are 3-4 And the Jets are 2-5 And normally that's not a recipe For a double digit line That seems a little high Are the Colts 3-5 or 3-4?
Starting point is 00:45:35 3-4 The Colts are 3-4 Jets are 2-5 Gotcha, gotcha Sunday Marquee It's a State Farm Classic Chiefs Packers Mahomes Rogers It's a State Farm Classic. Chiefs Packers.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Mahomes Rogers. It's in Casey. We don't know what's going to happen with the Chiefs against the Giants tomorrow night. That line has not budged. It's been minus 10 for the entire week, right? Mm-hmm. Yep. Packers.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Man, what a win that was for them Thursday night. That happened after I had finished my podcast. But Rogers missing the three receivers. Man, what a win that was for them Thursday night. That happened after I had finished my podcast. But Rodgers, missing the three receivers, they banged Kyler around a little bit, and they've won seven straight and have to be taken seriously. And yet, I think they're going to be getting four points in Kansas City. Oh, all right. I'll get this one.
Starting point is 00:46:18 I said three, and it's two and a half. Oh, wow. I don't know. I know you're friendly with Connor you have Chiefs friend fans and my friends that are Chiefs backers are all like they're not right don't I mean not that we need their backing to tell us this but don't even bet them against the Giants is what I'm told like this team is not right and might not be right for a while. I'm hearing that as well and yet the minus two and a half in Arrowhead means that
Starting point is 00:46:47 Vegas is thinking on a neutral field the Packers are a better team than the Chiefs tough fall for the Chiefs you know Green Bay just gives us free money every week they beat the snot out of the bad teams and they stay close and win against the team they'll have a
Starting point is 00:47:03 coach out with COVID best receiver out. And Rogers is just like, Hey, turn around Winfrey, Oprah Winfrey's nephew, whoever the hell this is, take three steps and I'll get you the ball. And they do that all the way down the field and they run and they, you know, a flukish way to win that Arizona game. But for God's sakes, this Packers team is pretty damn good and hard to bet against every week. Who do you think lost people the most money this week? The Packers, the Bengals, or the Bucs? Who? Packers, Bengals,
Starting point is 00:47:32 Bucs. Bengals. You think the most money was on the Bengals this week? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Because I didn't even, I couldn't even come up with a tease. Like for million dollar picks and in real life. And I think I had the Bucs and Versions and the Chiefs
Starting point is 00:47:47 just putting them a money line tease with like the Bills. Because I wanted to tease and parlay the Bengals so badly. It seemed like the easiest bet of the year. That's the first bad one that I think we've had this season. That took out the most people.
Starting point is 00:48:03 So the seven point favorites, seven pluspoint favorites were 25-0 before today. And then two more hit in the morning. Who was it? Well, the Rams won. The Rams, Bills, yeah. And the Bills, right. So that made it 27-0 before that Bengals game was final. So we could cry all we want, but we've been doing pretty well.
Starting point is 00:48:25 I know. It was the tax for all the teasers. Yeah. Well, supposedly, I heard on FanDuel, the line closed for the Rams game at 16 and a half. Yeah, right. And the Texans got all the good, and then they got the two point,
Starting point is 00:48:36 and they somehow covered. What was it, like 38-0? It was 38-0. 22 straight. Great job. David Culley had to be proud. Great team's cover. All right. I have three watch Culley had to be proud. Great team's cover. All right.
Starting point is 00:48:46 I have three watchable games. First one is Bengals-Browns. It's in Cincy. And I think the Bengals are favored by three and a half. I said three and it's two and a half. Oh, I get that. Yeah. That's a mistake.
Starting point is 00:49:04 No, they got to make it three. It should be three. It should be three or three and a half, right get that. Yeah. That's a mistake. No, they got to make it three. It should be three. It should be three or three and a half, right? Yeah, I think so. From what we saw from Baker today, you cannot give them the extra half. This is a stay away. I don't love Case Keenum either. I really don't.
Starting point is 00:49:18 I have this theory about when these guys, I've said it before, but when they grab, you can tell how confident a quarterback is and how tight he grabs his helmet. Like hearing the offensive coordinator phone in the plays. Is this the Kirk Cousins theory? Can we name it after Kirk Cousins? I do, I like it. But it's like they're trying to squeeze a watermelon.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Like, really? It's all coming together. It's like, oh man, I don't have any confidence in that guy. And yet he looked better than Baker today. I agree with you. I think this is probably a stay away. I'm going to read the quotes this week from the Bengals because I would like to read
Starting point is 00:49:51 multiple pieces from some of the leaders on that team talking about how upset they were that they laid an egg against the Jets. And if they want to be a great team every game, you got to take everybody seriously. And that's a learning. I want to read all that stuff. And then I might take them.
Starting point is 00:50:06 If that line stays at two and a half. Yeah. If I'm a Bengal defender, I'm just like Mike White's the best quarterback we've seen all year. Yeah. That's what I was just saying. Like, let him prove you all the bad.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Otherwise that's our guy. Mike White, White Lotus. Is White Lotus going to be his nickname? It's gotta be. I wasn't on Twitter for the games today, but where people make it in the way there has to be the White Lotus. Is White Lotus going to be his nickname? It's got to be. I wasn't on Twitter for the games today, but were people making the White... There has to be the White Lotus thing.
Starting point is 00:50:29 There has to be what it is. His picture side by side with the creator. Or just Lotus? Can we call him Lotus? Lotus is good. Ravens are home for the terrible Vikings. And who knows if Mike Zimmer will be coaching this one I have the Ravens by six
Starting point is 00:50:47 you get it I said four and a half it's five and a half I think the Vikes are going to be that team at the end of the year that they're like seven and ten they finished with a record like seven and ten but yet they're like ninth in offensive DVOA
Starting point is 00:51:04 and eighth in defensive DVOA and 8th in defensive DVOA. And Football Outsiders is writing about how this is one of the five worst win-loss results for a team with these kind of credentials that we've had. Right. Everyone did well with their fantasy guys on that team, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Can you do us a solid though, Ravens, if we put you in a teaser after a bye week, after losing miserably last week? Can you just win this game for us? You don't have to cover. Just win it. Should we be more
Starting point is 00:51:32 concerned that the Ravens weren't moving the ball around on the Bengals? Yeah. When we saw Lotus just lighting them up? I was like, how'd they stop Lamar? I was looking at this. Which is why he's the top 10 quarterback of all time. Lotus. White Lotus.
Starting point is 00:51:47 The cards are home for the oh no cards are not home they're at whatever that terrible San Francisco field is called playing the 49ers.
Starting point is 00:51:55 James G had a couple moments today I felt like. James G was kind of like this is my team. I know you traded all the picks for that other guy
Starting point is 00:52:04 but I'm still here. It's one of those games. I think the cards will be favored. I don't think it'll be three. I think it'll be two and a half. Cards by two and a half in San Francisco. Son of a bitch. I said three and a half.
Starting point is 00:52:17 It is, in fact, two and a half. It should probably be more. I mean, it's, well, I don't know. We saw Kyler walk off in a heap Thursday night, but they don't ever win in this arena, wherever this is, this San Francisco. They haven't won in a year and a half? How long has it been?
Starting point is 00:52:35 It's been a while. Well, so in our keeper league, I was one in six. I traded Kyler to Lewis, who's trying to beat you for the keeper title. He traded me, Joe Burrow, and Michael Pittman I was one in six. I traded Kyler to Lewis, who's trying to beat you for the keeper title. Right. He traded me, Joe Burrow, and Michael Pittman for Kyler. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:52:51 And I called him, and I actually called him, and I was like, you should, Kyler's the second best player in our league. You have a chance to beat Sal. You should do this. He's like, he's wanted Kyler for a couple weeks. He's like, all right, done. Kyler looks terrible on Thursday night, so he's already mad. The Colts game starts.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Pittman has two touchdowns in the first 40 minutes. And he's just like, I'm never trading with you again. This is bullshit. I can't believe this. And yeah, it was really fun. I think I pulled one over on Lewis. You know what? He said, if the baseball league you're in, he texted me,
Starting point is 00:53:24 is any indication, he said, this won't help you at all. That's true. It's kind of rude. It's a rude thing to say. Yeah, that's true. I haven't won a title in a while. He's just bitter. But your big thing is you have Burrow and Chase now in a keeper league.
Starting point is 00:53:37 For next year. For next year. Yeah. You're psyched. Very excited about it. All right, bring it on. I'm undefeated in that league. I told you, that's the nicest thing you ever did for me
Starting point is 00:53:45 starting that league I still have not lost 8-0 don't be a dick barely watchables we have 5 teams including my beloved Patriots playing in Carolina I cannot give this an actual watchable but is McCaffrey back or no what's the deal
Starting point is 00:53:59 I don't know I think he's always going to be like a Thursday Friday decision right the Mike Trout of football Christian McCaffrey I don't know. I think he's always going to be like a Thursday, Friday decision, right? The Mike Trout of football, Christian McCaffrey. I have the Pats favorite in Carolina by one and a half points. No, you went light. I said two and a half for your team, and it's three. This is the John Casey Bowl, right? I have to dress up for this.
Starting point is 00:54:24 I got to get in a uniform for this. I mean, some people call it the Nipplegate Bowl. That's right. Right, right, right. Right. Exactly. It's so funny. We were at that game and we had no idea and there was no Twitter and nobody told us.
Starting point is 00:54:38 And we just thought we saw a great football game and come to find out it caused an actual American crisis. I don't even know if I found out until Monday. Like, the next day. It's very weird. The FCC got involved. They started
Starting point is 00:54:50 tape-delaying sporting events. Right. It just caused a complete ruckus just for this thing that we didn't even know happened when it happened.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Pat's Panthers. Okay. Can I tell you what else has changed? I mean, you're not on it as much as I am, but I'm constantly checking the live lines for these games.
Starting point is 00:55:07 And Fandle is so much ahead of the DirecTV feed. I mean, it might be a 30 Mississippi count at this point. Wow. Because I'm seeing like, oh my God, did the Saints score seven there or did they score three? I'm like, oh no, wait, they definitely scored three because the Bucs are still favored in this game in the live line. It's a weird way to watch. I almost have to wait till commercial now because it's ruining my viewing experience.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I've noticed cable is probably three seconds faster than DirecTV. Right. That's true. And then streaming is like 20 seconds slower than DirecTV. So what's going to happen when Amazon gets streaming and we lose DirecTV all together? What are we going to do with live together? What are we going to do with live betting? How are they going to keep up? I think it should wait
Starting point is 00:55:48 until timeouts. Yeah. Or timeouts or commercials, stoppages, stuff like that. Yeah, long stoppages. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Anything that has a minute or long stoppage. All right. Cowboys, your team, playing the Broncos in Dallas. What's the deal with Dak? Take another week off. Take a month off. Who the deal with Dak? Take another week off.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Take a month off. Who cares at this point? Take it all off. That kind of affects what I want to do for my pick, though. Well, they did set a line, and I'll tell you this much because I was close. I think it's based on Dak playing. And if this was a playoff game, he would have played tonight.
Starting point is 00:56:22 I think it's kind of like that's what it would have been. Well, I made my choice thinking Dak was playing. I have minus 11 for the Cowboys. Oh, my God. Wow. It's minus seven. I said six and a half, not 11. You think that's based on him not playing?
Starting point is 00:56:40 They're playing the Denver Broncos? The four and four playoff bound Denver Broncos, apparently. Oh, my God. They stink. Yeah, maybe it should be a little higher. Maybe it should be a little higher. That line will be nine and a half by Wednesday. I'm putting that.
Starting point is 00:56:56 I might tease the Cowboys as soon as we finish this podcast. We are damn good. That feels like a Thanksgiving game that we would lose outright, but we're so good. The Broncos can't score. How many? I'm going to look this up now. They've scored 157 points. That's not terrible.
Starting point is 00:57:13 In eight games? Yeah, so that's less than 20. But they scored 17 today. They're not good. I had them against Cleveland two weeks ago. 24 against the Raiders, 19 against the Steelers, They scored 17 today. They're not good. I had them against Cleveland two weeks ago. They weren't, you know, Bridgewater. 24 against the Raiders, 19 against the Steelers, seven against the Ravens.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Those are their last four weeks. I'm not impressed. I think you should be favored by more. Saints-Falcons. God, I put this right in the Vegas zone. It's in New Orleans. I have no idea who the Saints quarterback is. And I'm going to say Saints by five and a half.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Do we split this? I said six. Oh, no, you get it. It's five. Vegas zone. You can smell it. Yeah, I don't want anything to do with this. This is where Matt Ryan just bites you in the ass.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Big, big old chunk right out of your buttocks. This is where you want Matt Ryan when he's getting five points on the road. His fans can't boo him. There's no pressure. I'm with you. I want no part of it, though. I'm excited to see young Taysom Hill finally get a chance. Are you really?
Starting point is 00:58:19 This young kid. Yeah, finally getting the car keys. Oh no, he's 30. Well, we'll find out. I felt bad for Jameis. He's never going to get revenge on his old team. Yeah, I mean, that's a sucky thing that he has to watch someone else win against, right? Against Tampa.
Starting point is 00:58:37 It seems like that was a bad knee injury. Oh, yeah, no. Yeah, yeah. No, he's out for a little bit. I would be the most mad. I'd be mad if I got injured in a football game regardless. But to get injured on an illegal play would really make me mad. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Like, you get injured on a horse collar. Like, when the cart's taking you away, I'd be like middle finger to the guy. Flipping everyone off. Fuck you! Yeah. Hey, give me the keys to this cart. I got a couple assholes I want to run over you! Yeah. Hey, give me the keys to this cart. I got a couple assholes I want to run over here.
Starting point is 00:59:07 We have the car keys. Next one is Raiders at the Giants. We have two, actually. I'm going to do these both together. Raiders at Giants, Chargers at Eagles.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Two AFC West teams at two terrible NFC East teams. I think both of the AFC West teams would be favored. I went Raiders minus two and a half and I went Chargers minus one and a half.
Starting point is 00:59:31 You went light on... Okay, you get the Raiders one. I said four and a half. It's three. Raiders minus three. But I get the Chargers one because I said four and it's three. I don't know where that leaves us.
Starting point is 00:59:47 So I have Miles Sanders in two leagues. All year, they never gave him the ball. They have five carries a game. They'd be like, what's wrong? Do they hate this guy? He misses today and it's like the running fest against the Lions. Four running back touchdowns. Jordan Howard off whatever.
Starting point is 01:00:03 I didn't even know he was still alive. He got one. And Miles Sanders just swatching it. Made me mad. I don't, you know, another team I have to be done with. The Lions really, there might be something to them being a bad team. There really might be something to it. We made money on them, though, this year if they have the worst record.
Starting point is 01:00:19 We did. And you know what? That was a gift from Fandel. I think you allowed me three futures bets, and I gave out. Fandle had a plus 250. Lions and Texans under four and a half wins, both of them. I was like, oh, God. We bet that, didn't we?
Starting point is 01:00:34 Yes, we did. Combined, they're not going to get there. I mean, they can't, right? That's great. Poop Vecta has two games. Dolphins home for the Texans. The Texans are one and seven, and the Dolphins are 1-7. It's the battle of the 1-7, Sal.
Starting point is 01:00:52 That's what I'm calling it. There's some weird Watson stuff where there were a lot of rumors that he might get traded to Miami and that they're going to immediately put him on the commissioner's exempt list. He was going to... Who knew? Shouldn't this be for the trade? Like whatever the difference is in negotiating.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Like let's say they want three ones and a two. But he misses seven weeks. Yeah, but they only want to give up three ones and a three. Like shouldn't this be for, all right, winner gets to dictate the terms. Something. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. Deshaun Watson. Like a haircut match in wrestling or something. Something. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. Deshaun Watson. Like a haircut match in wrestling or something.
Starting point is 01:01:27 Right, right, right. Yeah, a second round pick in the Watson thing is at stake. Mm-hmm. So, I can't believe the Dolphins are 1-7. And I can't believe their one win was against Patriots where we're running the ball into the end zone and about to win the game and Harris fumbles.
Starting point is 01:01:48 They really could be 0-8. That's your worst loss in years. Right? Yeah. That one. This team's going to have three wins. Yeah, it's bad. I have the Dolphins favored by seven over the Texans.
Starting point is 01:02:03 You nailed it. And I don't see that much difference between these two teams. I said four, but it is seven. But I don't know. The Dolphins are a sexier version than the Texans, but just not whatever. They have two of us. So what? Can't move the ball. I like when
Starting point is 01:02:19 they traded Ingram and multiple Texans were just bummed out by it. That's always a bad stage to hit when you're a football team. Right. Where your players are just like, oh, thanks, man. It's like if you're working in some office that's falling apart and then it's like, hey, we've traded the custodian. We're no longer going to have a custodian.
Starting point is 01:02:38 He's been traded to another office. It's like, oh, man, really? Can he leave the mop? No. Yeah, Mark Ingram's gone. But Philip Lindsay will now be handling the duties. Yeah. They're not good.
Starting point is 01:02:50 They're bad. Yeah, they're pretty bad. I don't think that Miami's that much better. The other poop fact of the game is Bill's Jags. It's in Jacksonville. And after what we saw from Jacksonville today, I don't remember the last time a team has been favored by more than two touchdowns on the road,
Starting point is 01:03:08 much less 17 points. Well, weren't the Rams today? Were they on the road for that? I guess they were. They were in Houston. So I remember the last time. It was four hours ago. I'm going to say Bills by 17.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Oh, did I get this? I did. I said 11 and a half. It by 17. Oh, did I get this? I did. I said 11 and a half. It's 14. Oh, Jesus. I edged you out. Wait a minute. This is important.
Starting point is 01:03:32 It's six to six with two left, I believe. Oh, I nailed the Sunday night. I know I did. Did you? Okay. I know in my bones. You got a point and a half leeway here. I was off.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Sunday night, Rams-Titans. Rams are on. I think this is in the Vegas zone because the Titans are weird. I have the Rams by five and a half against the Titans. You did get it. It's six. I said five. Three, four, five, six, seven to one, three, four, five, six.
Starting point is 01:04:01 All right. Titans looking like a delicious underdog parlay of the week candidate. I mean, crap. How many of these are they going to win? Feisty team. And do you think they had that one weird COVID game at the beginning that they lost? Right. So they're 5-1 in all the games where they didn't have a COVID outbreak?
Starting point is 01:04:17 They lost to the Jets. And then they lost that Jets game and they didn't have their receivers. So both losses were actually explainable. They never should have won the game today, though. Monday night, Steelers, Bears. It's in Pittsburgh. Fields had a couple holy shit plays today. Positive or negative?
Starting point is 01:04:36 Positive. He had a run. I'm sure people saw it because it's going to be in the highlights. But he had a run that was like watching a high school player who's just a better athlete than everybody else in the field just zooming through everybody. It was unbelievable. Bill, I was going to say, this is the first week
Starting point is 01:04:54 I really thought he belonged in today's NFL. Oh, that's a good talking head put. Really? No, but I agree with you. And I was probably looking at exactly the same two or three plays, but he had confidence today that I hadn't seen in the last few weeks. Sal, what I'm seeing from Justin Fields is a guy who the game is slowing down for. That young man. That young man? You mean that young man?
Starting point is 01:05:21 He is a freak athlete and the game is slowing down for him. I love when they do that. They can't come up with the points and they just say the game's slowed down. You can just say that for everything. The podcast is slowing down for me. It's really slowed down. Yeah, I'm really seeing the podcast right now.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Steelers-Browns Monday night. No, what? I mean Steelers-Bears. Bears-Steelers, yeah. I just have trouble putting this over seven with Roethlisberger and I don't know
Starting point is 01:05:52 about these Bears injuries so I'm gonna say six and a half for the Steelers son of a bitch you got it exactly hmm
Starting point is 01:06:00 yeah exactly I said five I thought five would be enough good job by you you win four four one now can I make a proclamation sure nobody No, exactly. I said five. I thought five would be enough. Good job by you. You win. 4-4-1 now.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Can I make a proclamation? Sure. Nobody's allowed to tease the Steelers in this game. Just stay away. No, no. No, don't put Roethlisberger in a tease. Just don't. No.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Because if those guys all come back, what if the defenders come back and the Bears? Mm-hmm. All right, so you like Dallas on a teaser, and you like... Oh, I don't know. I like Baltimore. Baltimore over Minnesota, yeah. I think Minnesota is dead man walking after
Starting point is 01:06:34 that game. That's pretty nice. When you have a coach who's clearly on his way out and a quarterback who's clearly run his course, if I have those two variables at the midway point of my season, I'm going to get you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:49 I think that's like the light in the eyes just starts flickering out. You don't think the game is slowing down for Kirk Cousins or Mike Zimmer? I think my Minnesota picks are slowing down and I figured them out. Alright, we're going to take a break. Come back talk succession and Parent Corner.
Starting point is 01:07:10 All right, let's do Parent Corner first then Succession because if people haven't seen it, we don't want to spoil it for them. Parent Corner, what do you got? All right. Well, not much. We just had a house full of like 40 people who they congregate here and then they go and trick or treat and it's mostly family.
Starting point is 01:07:26 And, you know, people asking me the same question over and over about the Cowboys. So what is, why isn't the quarterback in? Why isn't he, when did they know he wasn't in? Why isn't he coming?
Starting point is 01:07:35 Oh Jesus, please let me watch this game. So they finally leave. But the week leading up, I don't know how it is by you. Do you know what it's like to get booed? I know you know what it's like to get booed, but the term booed, as far as our kids are concerned. What does it mean? It's people come to your door, kids come to your door with like a little pouch full of candy,
Starting point is 01:07:55 and they ring and run, but they leave candy. And then your kids have to try to like chase them down. I don't know what happens once they chase them down, but to identify them. And once you identify them as the boers, you get to do, I don't know what the, I'm not sure what the consequences are. It's kind of stupid because we all have ring now. So we could tell, all right, you don't have to save your breath. You don't have to chase down a little Alex because we know we see him on ring doing it. But as they're running running around i am just eating massive amounts of candy i'm like uh johnny sack's wife just collecting the charleston shoes and sitting in my room and just like she catches me and i'm busted so um that's really it uh there's not much more to the parent corner other than my kids are running around uh needlessly while i stop my face with
Starting point is 01:08:41 sugar it sounds like that could go badly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure we'll read an article about that. Wait, like when do like the 15, 16 year olds start playing this game and then it goes sideways. Yeah. Booze gone bad. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:08:53 for sure. It's going to go bad for me. I'm going to get diabetes in the next checkout, checkup for sure. I have a, a double parent corner. One is my daughter started her own podcast a couple of weeks ago. It's called Teen Patrol. She wanted to keep doing it. And I was like, it's football, basketball. I don't have
Starting point is 01:09:11 room for you on my pod. Well, she's like, let me do my pod. I'm like, well, it's not going to be in the ringer. She's like, I still want to do it. So she's been doing it. She's done a couple. The last one, I learned a lot about my daughter. And I've realized the best way to actually, because your kids, they basically stop talking to you when they turn 13, right? Right, sure. You either overhear stuff or there might be a car ride where you wear them down after an hour
Starting point is 01:09:34 where you might get a couple morsels. Or maybe you devote a segment that a million people could hear where you shit on them. That's why they stop talking to us. Yeah, maybe that's what they do. So a couple of things I learned from this podcast she did with her friend oh one is that when she does something wrong and you know my wife will is not opposed to doing some yelling she says she does the three-hour rule she'll go hide in her room for three hours. Then after three hours, come out and be super, super apologetic about whatever she did wrong. And that diffuses my wife. And I'm like,
Starting point is 01:10:11 it was kind of like, you know, when it's, when it's your kid, it's, it's, it's like your, your NFC East opponent, you're trying to outwit two times a year and you're trying to figure out their playbook and stuff. And this podcast, what I realized is it's this playbook of things that I kind of needed to know. She was going on with her. This is great. I'm really enjoying that. Wait, hold on a second. Do you look at that as being a grown-up move or
Starting point is 01:10:37 devious? What? Just the thing where she stays in a room for three hours and then comes out all nice. But did you look at it like, wow, that's a cool way to handle it or are you like oh boy if my wife heard this she'd be pissed i thought it was really smart but now it's like next time she does that move i'm just gonna walk by her door and go i know you're doing the three hour rule it's not gonna work i'm gonna be mad in three hours tick tick tick i do that anyway so the pods tea patrol she's really good though um and then the other thing my son so he wanted to go to the mall again yesterday oh no with his Tick, tick, tick. I did that anyway. So the Pods Tea Patrol. She's really good though.
Starting point is 01:11:06 And then the other thing, my son. So he wanted to go to the mall again yesterday. Oh, no. With his friends. I told you what happened last week. Skateboard or no skateboard? Skateboard. I thought the skateboard.
Starting point is 01:11:22 Couple hours in, text, hey, go into a friend's house with Jackson and Lucci, his two friends. My wife's like, oh, Ben's going to go to a friend's house. He's going to send us the address. I'm immediately suspicious. I'm like, what friend? What's the friend? Ask him who the friend is. Ben just replies, sends the address of where he's going to.
Starting point is 01:11:39 And it's this address that's on a street. It just doesn't seem like a friend. He would have a friend in the street. So now I'm like, all right, fucking call him. So we call him. It's like, what friend are you going to? Just a friend of Jackson's. Who's the friend? Blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:11:52 He's a lot of stuttering and stammering. I'm like, well, when you get there, just put the parents on so we can talk to him. No, I'm not. All right, it's kind of a party. You're 13. What party? He's turning 14 tomorrow, by the way. What do you mean it's a party? It's a Halloween party. It's not a a party. Like what are you? You're 13. What party? He's turning 14 tomorrow, by the way. What do you mean it's a party? It's a Halloween party. It's not, it's not like, it's not a party
Starting point is 01:12:09 party. It's just like a Halloween thing. We go and it's like 55 people there, all kids like around his age. And then he pick them up at 10 o'clock. We come from dinner and he gets in and he's like, oh yeah, that party was lit. I'm like, what happened? He's like, I don't know. People were skateboarding and people were making fun of each other and there was some candy. It was like kind of starter party. Maybe there was more bad stuff in there that he wasn't telling us about.
Starting point is 01:12:40 But it was the first time he really tried to lie to us about going to a party. I bring this up because he's only in the eighth grade. I really feel like I'm now putting on my seatbelt and getting ready for the next couple years. The good thing is for people like us, I know all his moves. He does the
Starting point is 01:12:58 thing like, I'm going to a friend of Jackson's. It's like, you just have to turn into like... Yeah, you're poking prod a little bit. You get it. Who's the friend? Where is it? Who else is going to be there?
Starting point is 01:13:09 Once they have trouble just answering stuff immediately, you know they're full of shit. Well, why don't you give him his own podcast, he and Jackson, then you'll learn even more about it, right? That's true. It would be a terrible podcast. Great for you.
Starting point is 01:13:21 It would just be his bad takes. He thinks Elon Musk is one of the most important americans because he created the tesla that was one of his takes today i asked him i asked him give me give me your greatest take right now he's like elon musk is one of the most important americans because he created the tesla i'm like what are you talking about anyway he's like shut up old man you put ben roethlisberger in your top 10. Don't tell me about bad takes. Anyway, that's parent quarter. And speaking of sons who might cause their fathers some heartaches today,
Starting point is 01:13:52 this was an incredible succession episode. Oh, man. I thought they paved the way for episode three. Incredible Kendall episode. Big twists and turns. It really got there. They laid all the groundwork for the first two with this one, and it paid off and was, I thought, one of the best ones.
Starting point is 01:14:11 Are we not allowed to spoil it? I know you're speaking generic. The pod will be done after this, so if people haven't watched it yet, just turn it off now. Yeah, go to extrapoints.com for all your sports gambling. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Extra points against the hot spot. It doesn't matter. No, but, oh, yeah, yeah. Extra points. No, it's okay. Against all odds. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:14:25 No, but, oh, yeah, Jesus, the Rape Me song while Shiv was speaking, doing the speaking engagement. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's so hard. It escalated. Jesus Christ. And I was like, how did they get the rights to the Nirvana song?
Starting point is 01:14:39 Yeah. It's notoriously the hardest band to get. So Dave Grohl must be a Succession fan. They do. That was great. That's how much money they have, Bill. They could buy the Nirvana. So Dave Grohl must be a Succession fan. They do. That was great. That's how much money they have, Bill. They could buy the Nirvana. No, no, wait.
Starting point is 01:14:49 That part's fake. But my favorite part was in the limo playing Good Tweet, Bad Tweet. Good Tweet, Bad Tweet. That's a Good Tweet, Bad Tweet. And it made me think, you should do it with the Ringer staff. You should do...
Starting point is 01:15:01 Good Tweet, Bad Tweet? I know you won't, so I'm going to do it with you right now. I'll read a good tweet. I know you won't. So I'm going to do it with you right now. I'll read a good tweet. Only Bill we trust is Bill Simmons. That's good. I think that's when Belichick. Are you making these up?
Starting point is 01:15:12 No, no, no. I read. I went back and read a couple. I went back. That's a good tweet. Bill Simmons wrote this whole long article about being a Tottenham fan and then gave up after like three months. That's a bad tweet?
Starting point is 01:15:25 Bad-ish? I don't know. I had a kid. To be fair, I did have a second kid. Oh, was that back then? Yeah. I didn't know it was at all. No, that's fair.
Starting point is 01:15:32 It was like 2007. All right. Bill Simmons is a more tolerable Skip Bayless at this point. That's a good tweet, I think. That's kind of a bad tweet, too. That's it. No, you're ahead. You're ahead.
Starting point is 01:15:44 All right, we'll stop. We don't need to play this game. That's kind of a bad tweet too. That's it. No, you're ahead. You're ahead. All right, we'll stop. We don't need to play this game. That's enough. Well, when they did it with Kendall, they had that last one where it was just the cut super deep. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:15:52 And then Kendall was like, boo. Sometimes the games you make up are not the best. I said this to House when we did the 25 succession characters. I think that Jeremy Strong, the guy who plays Kendall,
Starting point is 01:16:08 I think it's the best acting performance on HBO since Gandolfini. Wow. I think all the things he's doing with that part, show to show, I'm just in awe of that dude. I can't believe how good he is. The way you can just read his face for certain moments, and you're basically staring into his soul,
Starting point is 01:16:31 I can't get over it. He's unbelievable. He's excellent. I'm trying to think of, I'm not even just saying this because it's HBO, but Piven on Entourage, but next level and smarter
Starting point is 01:16:46 and the dialogue is great. But Piven can never do the serious stuff like this guy can do. Yeah, for sure. I was trying to think, is there anyone on Game of Thrones who was as good as him? And the only one close was Dinklage. Because Dinklage was...
Starting point is 01:17:02 He had the same kind of moments. I think, I just think the show kind of ebbs and flows with this performance. Because if it's not the right actor, an episode like that third one, I don't know if it hits the same way. Yeah, you're right. Because for some reason I'm rooting for him, but he's a complete jackass. He's lonesome. He's a terrible son. He has no credentials whatsoever. And then
Starting point is 01:17:26 you see him in the end sitting in the electrical closet, basically, and your heart's breaking for this guy. And it's like, why do I feel bad for this guy? Because they're all lonesome. They're all the father's lonesome. And I think whoever's getting ganged up on is who you're going to root for, right? True. At this point, there'll be four or five, you know, kind of, you know, I don't know. I think there'll be Mr. X and probably it'll be loaded the other way where you might not root for him. I'm not sure. Oh, Isaac suggests Hayter on Barry. Hayter on Barry is pretty good.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Oh, great. I don't know if he's, I'd still have Strong. That's a good final four candidate. Super Dave. I'm voting Super Dave. Yeah, before we go, I wanted to ask you about that. You didn't know about this. You didn't have time to process it.
Starting point is 01:18:12 Super Dave's reaction to his brother Albert Brooks taking his Curb Your Enthusiasm quarter. I don't think he would have liked it. I don't want to get into it too much, but he would not have liked it. I don't want him to come off looking like an asshole, but I feel like they knew what they were doing there a little bit.
Starting point is 01:18:36 Right? What do you think his reaction was in heaven? Oh, Jesus! What is happening? Well, you remember we had, who was the Hamilton guy? Why did I forget his name? Oh, Lin-Manuel Miranda. Well, I mean, we had that podcast and he was not pleased that Lin-Manuel Miranda,
Starting point is 01:18:55 and maybe, maybe he told us that off the podcast and we brought it back on the podcast that he's maybe not the biggest fan. Oh, yeah. He told us before, so we kept circling back to it and then he kept getting madder and madder. If you bring that name up one more time, I swear to God, I'm hanging up and no one will ever listen to this podcast again.
Starting point is 01:19:14 No one listens right now. I think he'd have a similar reaction to his brother, unfortunately being cast. That was one of my seven or eight favorite podcasts I've ever done. It was super Dave. It was a lot of fun. He had his eight prepared jokes.
Starting point is 01:19:31 Are you done? Oh my God. All right, Sal. ExtraPoints.com against all odds. Four times a week now against all odds. Yeah, we're on a lot. I know you're laughing.
Starting point is 01:19:46 You're like, ah, you're really spreading yourself thin and I know I'm doing it wrong. No, it's football basketball season. That's right. There's a lot. There's a lot going on.
Starting point is 01:19:52 College football. College basketball starts too. So yeah, check that out against all odds, extra points. Megan, fun of sports. We got a lot of stuff going on.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Extrapoints.com and I need 31 points out of Graham Gonneau to beat you in fantasy. I don't think that's happening. Where's the Super Bowl this year? Dallas? It's here. What are you talking about? It's LA. Yeah. We got to go.
Starting point is 01:20:15 Have you seriously started having the conversation with yourself on Dallas and the Super Bowl and tickets and who's going with you and all that stuff? No, not yet. You haven't mentally gone down that road. No, I still think we're fourth best in the NFC. I'll get
Starting point is 01:20:29 there. I'll get there. Don't worry about it. How hilarious would a Pat Stowell Super Bowl be? They owe us, don't they? That would be the funniest fucking outcome. By the way, it's not like anyone's that good in the AFC. I know. It can't be ruled out.
Starting point is 01:20:46 I'm not betting it's my team. So, wait a minute. Let's parlay that together real quick. That would be… That's got to be like 125 to 1. Patriots are 31 to 1 and 5 to 1. That's like 125 to 1, 130 to 1. 188 to 1.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Oh, my God. Let's do it. That's a winner. I don't know if I… I think we'd have a tough time recovering from that one. Probably have to avoid each other for a one. Oh my God. Let's do it. That's a winner. I don't know if I... I think we'd have a tough time recovering from that one. Probably have to avoid each other for a while. I know, but if we collected, we wouldn't even care who won, right? That's true. We're all winners.
Starting point is 01:21:14 All right, Sal, as always, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. Tonight's podcast was produced by Isaac Lee because nephew Kyle was at the Pats Chargers game doing his thing. Thanks to Isaac. We'll be back on this podcast on Tuesday.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Don't forget about the rewatchables Monday night, the three heat, as well as prestige TV podcast, me and Joe House breaking down Curb Your Enthusiasm episode two. I will see you here on Tuesday.

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