The Bill Simmons Podcast - Worst Call Ever! Another Pats Miracle! Cousin Sal's New Gambling Rock Bottom! | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 471)

Episode Date: January 21, 2019

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to talk Patriots-Chiefs, Saints-Rams, the infamous no-call, Sal's unfortunate bet, and Parent Corner (2:25). Then Bill sits down with his dad on the heels of yet another Patriots Super Bowl appearance to shamelessly revisit the Patriots' win over the Chiefs, apologize to Rex Burkhead, and more (1:17:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That might've been, I don't know if it was the greatest day of football ever, but it was certainly the most dramatic and inexplicable and unbelievable. We are going to break all of it down with the cuz right after our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, on the line right now, the Cuss. Where does that one rank? Where does that day rank? Eight hours?

Was that eight full hours of football? I don't have a lot of energy left in my body. We were so close to both being miserable. It would have been so much more fun for the fans out there. I disagree. You had to do it again. I disagree. Yeah, you know, you didn't have a great day.

I turned out I had a magnificent day. And I don't know who we should start talking about first, so I'm going to flip a coin. I'm going to call heads. Hold on. Okay. Why don't you let the refs do it? They usually do this the right way.

Flipped it. Heads, I win. Let's talk you let the refs do it? They usually do this the right way. Flipped it. Heads. I win. Let's talk about Pat's Chiefs. A lot of subplots here. I don't even know where we start. All of them were either semi-historic,

inexplicable, never seen anything like it, reminiscent of other crazy things that have happened in the past, but we might as well start here. The Patriots allowed 31 points in the second half of a playoff game and won. What do you make of that? I love it. I'm so proud of them.

I don't know what you want me to say. There are a lot of amazing things about this team. They threw an interception from the one-yard line, and they won the game. They went on fourth and inches, and for some reason, their quarterback sneak, which never, ever, ever, ever fails, was not part of the plan, and they didn't make it, and they still won the game.

Yeah. You could list all these. Yeah, they outgained them by 200-plus yards. They had the fourth-and-one dive play that I hate with every fiber of my being, somehow recover from that. And I'm pretty sure, I briefly blacked out at one point, but I'm pretty sure they got the ball back with 2-0-3 left at the tail end, which was the exact same time of the Eagles game last year, right? When he got strip sacked and they lost. I saw the 2-0-3, I was like, that's either a good omen or one of the worst omens in the world.

Four Super Bowls in five years for the Patriots, which I am pretty sure has not happened for 40 years since the Steelers. It's remarkable. I don't know what to say about that. Brady, nine Super Bowls appearances. Has a chance to win six titles, which would match him with basically Michael Jordan. And I don't know where this ranked on feeling like he dodged a bullet

after the game, but this was way, way up there because down four, 203 left, and just not the same type of offense that they've had in the past. But all three timeouts, I felt relatively optimistic. and just not the same type of offense that they've had in the past. But all three timeouts, I felt relatively optimistic. And then they score with 39 seconds left, and all of a sudden the Chiefs are on the other side of the field, and Mahomes is like, really, Mahomes? Is he going to throw like a 30-yard touchdown to win? He's terrifying.

In Andy Reid's defense, it could have been 51, 52 seconds left and not 39 seconds. I don't know why. Oh, yeah, he let some time roll out. First of all, I don't know why he decided to call a timeout if he at all thought it was a bad idea, which he should have freaking called a timeout right away. But, of course, but, yeah, 39.

With 53, he would have had a little more, maybe a decision to go end zone a couple more times. Well, you go backwards. The Pats take a 14-0 lead at halftime. They were three-point underdogs heading into the game. The halftime line was Chiefs by seven. So even I was surprised by that. I thought the halftime line would be.

What did you think it would be? Did seven see? I thought they were getting beat up. I thought they can't stop the Patriots running. I think Sonny Michel had like 19 carries in the first half. I could be wrong. Yeah. But it was insane.

I was like, as long as they can't stop the run game, they're in a lot of trouble here. Michelle had like 19 carries in the first half. I could be wrong on that, but it was insane. I was like, as long as they can't stop the run game, they're in a lot of trouble here. But like we saw with Goff, eventually these quarterbacks get going, and Mahomes did. I thought the halftime line would be about six, so seven was high. So the Chiefs come back out. They score immediately.

And they had left one on the table in the first half when Mahomes missed somebody wide open for a touchdown, but that made up for Brady throwing the pick on the first and goal from the one or whatever it was, second and goal. The Pats are rotating these running backs. We don't know what's going on. Like, James Waite looks unstoppable coming out of the backfield.

Then they're not throwing to him anymore. Then Burkhead's in. Then all of a sudden, Sonny Michelle has like 24 carries. Gronk, who seems like they should be throwing to him more often, but he's being used more as a blocker. Edelman. Dorsett makes one big catch

and that's about it. And then as the game's going on, you start going as a Patriots fan. All right, if we can just hang on, it became one of those games, 17, 14, they're up. They have the fourth and one, they don't get it. The script flips. All of a sudden the Chiefs just feel like every time they get the ball, they're going to score. Mahomes just figured it out. I got to say, having really fully rooted against him for the first time ever, mortifying, petrifying him, just completely terrified of him.

And what was really crazy was it took the, it took the chiefs a whole half to realize that our linebackers were too slow to cover their running backs out of the backfield which if you watch the patriots all year that was the biggest weakness of the team cover anybody yeah yeah so they started sending that williams out left and right and whoever and we couldn't cover any of those guys kill would be covered fully like 80 of the route and then just he'd break free from the defender. It was a free safety or whatever corner was on him.

So they need it. J.C. Jackson gets a bunch of pass interferences but then the Chiefs get the go-ahead touchdown on an egregious pick play which you know at that point I was like wow I'm going to remember that pick play for the rest of my life. Not only did you say that, but then you, you are so lucky.

You didn't text this to me at this time, but you text the hench. That play was as bad as the, that, that non, that call, that non-call was as bad as a non-call in the Saints game past interference. Well, I was caught up in the moment. I'm going to hang up the phone if you don't take that back. I do. I take it back. I was upset. I was upset. I said that was that game's version of that terrible play.

It really was horrific considering they had called the same pick play before the Patriots. Yeah, but also considering that the Patriots run the 47 pick plays a game. Maybe you could keep quiet about that. Eh, it's like 27. Brady gets the ball back. Did you think he was going to score? This was with the 20-0-3 left? 2-0-3 left down four in Arrowhead

it's 20 degrees outside and our quarterback's 41 years old and we do not have an all-pro offensive weapon on the team. Here's what was interesting I said he's lost confidence in Edelman because

you know whatever the first of all Edelman with the crazy off the punt miraculously doesn't touch the ball. Oh, I forgot about that one. And I really do think he didn't touch the ball.

Although his thumb or his finger's right there on it, but doesn't touch it. Brady, they get the ball, bounce back, tips off his hand. So now we carry an interception. He can't really trust Edelman. Gronk isn't really getting free. I'm like, I say to Hanson, Hanson I was like oh boy what do you do James White is your only receiving threat I think that Brady trusts right now

but even that said I still said I think they're going to score I think they can't leave him more than 45 seconds though Edelman gets going finally because on that play when the interception happens when the ball goes off his hands he gets decapitated by somebody on a block that they don't call

and when that happens, it's like he almost needs to get the crap kicked out of him to really get going, which is what he did. They go down. Tom Brady just puts the superhero cape on. It's just unbelievable that he's still able to do this. They score.

Reed screws up. He definitely should have, whatever happened, they should have had the ball with more time left. I don't know. I'd have to really look at it to study. Well, they ran a play. The Patriots got that. I think that Gronk play, was that in bounds? Yeah. I think that Gronk play was in bounds and took it

to like 51. The clock started running with 51. Yeah, and then they waited some time. And they went to like 37 or something, 39 or something. He could have saved 12 or 13 seconds. And then they waited some time. And he let it go to like 37 or something, 39 or something. Like he could have saved 12 or 13 seconds. And then bad kickoff, all of a sudden in two plays, they're on the 20 and we get the old flag to stop the clock because they wasted their last time out, the Chiefs.

And, you know, it put the onus on them. If they had to play over the middle, they really would have to scramble to do some stuff. But the flag ended up nullifying it. And then, thank God the Pats were in the right defense. So now we're going to overtime. Maybe someone could help me with this, though. If you accept the penalty, which they didn't,

it stops the clock, huh? It stops it, but then it's an immediate start. And it wouldn't be a 10 second runoff? No, no, no. It's an immediate, everyone's at the line of scrimmage and then they start the clock back up again. So the Chiefs end up, guy makes the kick. We go into OT.

Let me ask you this, before the guy makes the kick, Butker makes the kick. Everyone's like, he's going to miss this. I said, no, this is not enough torture for, this is where I call the game. I said, this is not enough torture for, this is where I call the game. I said, this is not enough torture for these poor Chiefs, freezing Chiefs fans. He's going to make the kick

and they're never going to see the ball in overtime. You watch. It's not quite enough torture. Sure enough. Yeah. Take us through the rest. Well, it did feel very hookable, didn't it? On that left hash mark from 39.

You can totally see it going. And they've had some bad experiences in the past I really feel like we're going to win the coin flip I don't know why I wish I could go to Vegas with that much confidence as I have during a big Patriots playoff game coin flip

we're going to find out that was a one-sided coin please let that come out that would be incredible and then when was the default4 at offside? Everything's pointing together. That was an OT, right?

Or was that regulation? That was a regulation. The D4 offsides kept it going in regulation, right? Yeah. We forgot to mention that because that is, that's the iconic Chiefs, Chiefs fans torturing themselves play.

And by the way, I would do the same thing, but I think that, you know, and the irony is he's one of play. And by the way, I would do the same thing. But I think that, you know, and the irony is he's one of the best guys in the team. But him being off sides

on that, you had two different plays there in the fourth quarter just to push home the tortured loss aspect of this. Edelman, the fumble,

it looks like they ran the ball in for the go-ahead touchdown. So there, if you're in a bar, if you're in the stadium, wherever, you're celebrating

for seven seconds before that gets called back. And there, if you're in a bar, if you're in the stadium, wherever you're celebrating for seven seconds before that gets called back. And then, uh, and then the default thing, same thing, tip play interception, guys running it back, fumbles out of bounds. It seems like something good's happened there for four seconds. And then no, it goes away. So then, uh, yeah, I was at the Rams Cowboys game and they didn't show any of the replays. And I was wondering like, if that's happening in Kansas city and they're showing this Edelman thing,

which by all, first of all, he tried so hard to touch that ball. It's a miracle. I can't. And then they run it into the end zone. And if they don't have the benefit of the replay, the fans, they must be like, what the fuck is going on here? Followed by quickly followed by the next catch. Was it Hogan, which they called incomplete?

Yeah. No, they said that was a catch. Like if they're not seeing these replays, they must be like, why did we even come to this game? This is insane. That's true. Plus it's probably like 18 degrees at that point. And there was a Blood Wolf Lunar Eclipse.

That's right. We go into OT. Brady converts three different third intents. Unbelievable. With, I mean, Gronk. They weren't open. These guys were not open. Not one of them.

Even that play going back to regulation when they took the lead, Gronk really wasn't open on that play down the left sideline, but that was like a classic old school. How many times has he made that specific play in his career? Yep. I got to say, like, I really did feel like he was running on fumes. And they really did reposition him as a blocker, and they doled out when they were going to use him carefully.

He was great today. I did not think he had that performance in him. You texted me in the morning or last night. You're like, Gronk, they're going to let the car out of the garage. I was like, all right. I did. Let's do it. Over five receptions is plus 150.

And then you're like, I want to parlay. Can we get this in? I want to parlay over five receptions and over 70 yards. I'm like, you can't do it in-house. You can't do this. You can't parlay. Parlay the props. He's going to be around for 15 snaps.

He's going to get eight targets. You're putting it all together. Yeah. And then I backed off. I didn't want to jinx him. I know. And then he ended up hitting both. So a couple of third and tens.

And then at some point, it just becomes apparent that Chiefs defense was gassed. Now, the irony is the Patriots defense was gassed as well. This game was the bastard brother of the Colts-Patriots 2006 AFC title game. That the Patriots should have won. The defense fell apart. The Colts came roaring back. And then when the Patriots need to get the big first down with like four minutes left or something,

it was third and three. Brady to Troy Brown couldn't get it. And the Colts ended up putting the game away. And this was the other version of that. And they showed this stat. They showed a stat at some point during the second half. They were like, Brady's 72-1 when he's up by 14-plus in the second half.

And then it was like, asterisk, the one time they lost, 2006 AFC Championship game. Yeah. Look, there were so many. First of all, I think there were like four or five reviews in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was a mess. To a point where you sort of, if you're neutral,

you really start feeling bad for both teams. Like, ah, I don't know who the better team is here, it was a mess. To a point where you sort of, if you're neutral, you really start feeling bad for both teams. Like, ah, I don't know who the better team is here. This is just miserable with these refs, bad calls, and just everything's so close. You got white guys for the Patriots

laying it out and making incredibly athletic attempts. And it's either barely touched the ball. They have it in the crevice of their, you know, between the other side of their elbow. I don't know what that's called or it did touched the ball. They have it in the crevice of their, you know, between the other side of their elbow. I don't know what that's called or it hit the ground.

Just incredible. Like a quarter of an inch on each side. And then it's like Brady converts those three third downs. It's like, yeah, somehow, even with a 77, I think the Parley kids, they had 77 quarterback rating, the greatest sub 80 quarterback rating of all time. I can't even talk. Spectacular.

Well, Romo was doing a good job of pointing out like the funny thing was Brady was getting protection the whole game. They really weren't going near him, but his receivers just weren't open. And that was awesome. I have to say, yeah, he was good. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, he did. When he used the telestrator, he called it perfectly.

His is was going to happen. Gronk's have to have to block outside. This one goes inside. And Edelman, it's almost unfair that he gets the call. Ken, this is an Edelman. It's definitely not a peak Edelman version, but still made a couple of big plays down the stretch. And then they end up getting it.

And Rex Burkhead, who I watched the game with my dad, my Uncle Bob, my Uncle Don, nephew Kyle, my son, and Kevin Brady, our Pat's friend. And we were complaining about Burkhead for the first three quarters. Why the fuck is he in? When Burkhead comes in, it's like, gee, he has no speed. You can't throw to him. Like, why is he in the game?

This guy is a special teams player at this point. And then he becomes the star of the game because that's what happens with the Patriots. He dominates the first half, and then he gets like five of the game because that's what happens with the Patriots. Dominates the first half. And then you can get like five or six touch or whatever he ended up having. And it was Birkhead, but it's not even James White out of the backfield. I think the one prop everyone bet and lost on was James White over five and a

half receptions. Right. He had four through like two and a half quarters and ended up with four. Like it's so weird how Belichick turned it around. We thought he might have gotten hurt. Did he get hurt? I don't know. It was kind of weird that he wasn't playing.

I mean, Michel definitely ran out of gas. I think in the second half, he did not play well. There was one play that actually led to the fourth and one that they didn't get. But they showed that overhead of that giant hole he had where he just kind of stopped and went for nine yards instead of 10. And then they ended up not getting the first. The other thing with him is they never throw to him. So I think the Chiefs eventually figured out if he was in the game, he was either pass blocking or running.

But I mean, I don't know how many times Brady has done this. I have to admit that there's been so many playoff games. We've had two decades of them now. They said we had played two overtime games heading into this game, and none of us could remember the other overtime game in the playoffs. What are you talking? The Super Bowl. What? Well, that was – but was there another one, though,

or did they have the graphic wrong? Oh, I don't know. Because I thought the overtime in the Super Bowl was the first overtime playoff game. It probably was. It was the first overtime Super Bowl, but then we couldn't remember if there was another Pats. It must

have been a wrong graphic. Kyle, look this up. See if the Pats have ever played another. Kyle, don't worry. No one cares. He's jeweling up. He's fine. Michelle had 29 carries, I guess. He did, but he had the third quarter he had over 20.

Let's talk about the Chiefs side for a second. Wow, they ran the ball 48 times. I know. I mean, they did the game plan that you knew they were going to try to do, which was the old, you know, that old 2007 Giants game plan. Let's talk about the Chiefs. A franchise that has not had a lot of highs, the combo of this and Andy Reid and what a brutal loss that was, and then a couple of different terrible plays and the D Ford play,

all that stuff to hold on to 20 degrees. You're leaving that game. That's rock bottom. Sure. That's as bad of a football loss as you're going to have. And until we talk about the next game that happened today. But man, they're going to be back, I guess, is the silver lining because Mahomes is clearly special. There was a thing afterwards that Brady actually went to the Chiefs locker room and asked a security guard if he could just talk to Mahomes quietly and got some one-on-one time with Mahomes, because I think he

knows that Mahomes is going to be the next guy. That was the biggest takeaway for me from this game, was that Mahomes, he's the next guy. I don't think there's any question at this point. Everything he did in that game was ridiculous. Our friend Trevor, who was Jon Hamm's teammate in our fantasy league,

went to the game. Diehard Chiefs fan. He's the biggest game of my lifetime. You know, he was in his late thirties. And I mean, that's all I could say to him after that. It's my look. Maybe your guy makes this game nine, the next nine years. There's no reason to think that he won't. But yeah, he really got it together.

Just slinging balls from his hip. He's just, he's phenomenal. Outside of the park, pocket throwing like 40 yard passes. He's, phenomenal. Outside the pocket throwing like 40-yard passes. I don't see anyone else catching him in terms of athleticism. Do you think anybody was rooting for the Patriots other than Boston fans and people who had them

plus three? No, and that's why I think when you talked about Patriots fatigue last week, I said, no, that's all that really matters. That's fun. It's fun to root against them. And people will do it in two weeks too, like that don't otherwise care about football. Well, we should quickly, before we take a break, talk about the next game.

The gambling elements of this Pats-Chiefs game was pretty great. Yeah. You had the Pats getting three. And at various points, obviously they're 14-0. You're feeling great about covering. But then it became clear every time the Chiefs went up, they're going to be up four, which meant they were covering. So you had that whole thing. And then what did the over under end up at? Well, the over under was, um, yeah, that over under was insane because that was, um, 56.

I think they were both around 56, 56 and a half. It went off at, but it was 17, seven going into the fourth quarter. I mean, so you have to pour one out for anyone, anyone who had the under there. That is one of the worst beats. I mean, even if it was 17, 14 with like what? 10 minutes.

Right. Yeah. And somehow it goes over. Not only does it go over, it ends up going really over because the final score was 37, 31. And not only did it go really over, that last quarter in the overtime was probably like an hour and 20 minutes because

with all the reviews and everything. It was a brutal, brutal underloss. I'll give you another crazy stat. Both games going to overtime, 85-1. That's insane. But I mean, even like Harry wouldn't bet on that. No, yeah, no.

That's even too weird for him. That's like too off the menu, even for the biggest degenerate we know. Yeah. Yeah, so you have, I'm trying to think what else. So the over, any tees with the over probably wins. But if you had teased whoever with the Chiefs, if you had done a six and a half point tees

or seven point tees, you end up losing that one because the Pats get the rarely seen OT touchdown. That's the last thing we should talk about here. Do we need to change this rule? What's that? That you win the coin flip and if you score a touchdown, the other team never touches the ball. My team has now benefited twice from this. All right, good. I'm glad you're mentioning it. Yeah. But should we change the rule? I don't, I think here's the thing. It's, it's close. It's getting close. You want to, you want to get luck out of it, right? You want to take luck out of the

equation. So obviously when it was a coin flip and you can go down and kick a field goal, that was garbage because you just won the coin flip and you gain like 25, 30 yards or whatever. And that was good. Especially with these kickers booming these monster kicks in the, in the freezing cold or in a dump. But I like to see both teams touch the ball. I would, I don't see, I don't see, I don't think, I don't think that hurts anybody. I think for the playoffs, both teams should probably touch the ball.

Yeah. And they should change the rule after the Patriots have benefited twice from it. Let's take a break, and then we're going to talk about the other game, which featured the worst call of all time. Let's take a break to talk about Roman. Hey, guys are terrible at taking care of their health.

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worst call ever, greatest whatever, because I think, especially now that I'm older, I never just want to jump to conclusions and recency bias, stuff like that. I try to be careful.

This struck me as the worst call in football history that I could remember. And then I actually went on the internet and tried to figure out if there had been a worse call. And the answer is no. For football, no. I think this was the worst call of all time. Don, I think it comes up a lot, but that was now over 30 years ago. I mean for football. Yeah, for football, this is the worst, right? Yeah. Let's maybe backtrack to something I did, something really stupid I did this weekend.

Yeah, let's do it. So you can understand my anger right here. So some guy back in February bet $8,000 on the Saints to win the Super Bowl. And somehow got 20 to 1 odds, which strikes me as very high for February. I don't, I don't know why it would be that high anyway, but it was a legitimate ticket. It pays $168,000. He put it up on a third party site called prop swap, which is like the eBay of, of legitimate prop tickets. Yeah. By the way, a thing we've, we've, uh, a thing we've been calling for since for like a decade on this podcast. I didn't know it existed.

In fact, this is how people bet. They just go on these third party sites and like, okay, I'll bet that I'll, I'll take this ticket. So the prop swap people get 10% and if someone buys the ticket, uh, from the seller, the, uh, the seller pays the VIG, the 10% VIG. Okay. So, uh, unlock it in me, Clay, Travis, Todd Furman. We say, Hey, we should buy this for, for, we like the saints. We all like the saints to win the super bowl. Let's try to buy this for 56, $57,000. And then we're getting two to one odds. You can't get two to one anywhere.

You can get like plus one 60. You can get a plus one 70 in some shops, legitimate shops, but even those plus one seventies and plus one eighties will only limit you how much you could bet on it. So this is a pretty good, we're getting really good value here. Everyone's like, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Furman backs out at the last minute. So now it's me and clay. We split it. We're in for a 28,000, seven 50 each or something crazy to win 168,000. So my plan is I'm just going to get through this first game. I'm going to tough it out. And then I can have people buy into this.

I was going to offer it to you for two to one odds, everything. It's going to be nice. Saints, Drew Brees, six and oh at home, Jared Goff. Don't trust them on the road. Playoff game. His numbers are much different. Okay, go ahead. Go from there.

Well, go ahead. I'm done. Let me, let me vomit in the corner while you set up whatever you want to say about this game. First quarter goes as badly as it possibly could go for the rinse. Right. You have Drew Brees who looks like the little kid. Like when my son was like four, when it was too loud at a Clipper game,

he would put his hands over his head because it was so loud. That's what Jared Goff looked like for the entire first quarter. He couldn't hear anything. They're just trapped inside their own 10 for the whole quarter. But the Saints are leaving points on the board. They settle for two red zone field goals instead of touchdowns. They come down and score three. The tight end, the backup tight end,

he drops a ball. He could have gathered it and it could have been 7-0, but they have to get three there. So they leave four there. And Gosselaar was a pick, right. And then they leave another four there. So now it's 6-0.

Right. Then they somehow score 13-0. They stop the Rams again. And at this point, I'm sitting there going, why did I take the Rams again. And at this point I'm sitting there going, why did I take the Rams? Why didn't, why did I forget that the Superdome is so freaking loud?

Yeah. Why did I forget that this game was going to be Saints 50 Rams, nothing. Right. But I'm still like holding out hope that if they could just withstand it, cause it was so loud. It was like, these people can't keep this up for four hours.

Let's say they just need something to happen. The fake punt happens. Flips the momentum. They get a field goal out of it. 13-3. They only get a field goal out of it. Yeah, it's crazy. By the way, that Hector, can he ever throw one bad pass?

Honestly, I thought Tom Brady was the best quarterback ever, but I think it's him. No, but even if he takes the receiver off his feet, if he takes him off his feet where he has to jump and catch it, he has to come back behind the sticks, he gets busted there. It's just such a perfect pass. But there you go, 13-3. It was great.

So then the Saints just all of a sudden can't get it going, and they lost another tight end. It didn't really seem that they could run the ball. They thought the Rams were getting momentum. The Rams finally get that touchdown at the end of the half. 13-10. Yeah. Feeling good.

Not only 13-10, they get the ball, and the Saints are not running the ball. They can't run for crap. Can't run the ball. Kamara can't get going. Ingram, nothing. So, yeah, that's what I was like. If Saints don't have 20 at the end of the half, this is bad. All right, go ahead.

Well, let's fast forward. There's fourth quarter inside 10 minutes that Rams are driving. They get inside the 10. It's fourth and one with like five minutes left. McVay, now, I was on the ringer NFL Slack for this game. We were talking about how aggressive McVay usually is. He's not like Doug Peterson level aggressive, but he's aggressive. Went from fourth and one up eight last week against the Cowboys.

Yeah, this seemed like he would have been in my top five of guys who I just would have assumed would have gone for this. Kicks the field goal. Yeah, I didn't think the coaching was very good at all today. I don't even know if you can rank the four. Like, who would you even put at number one today? Belichick. All right.

But, you know, his fourth and one plays were weird, too. Well, he had a couple of stinkers. But for the most part, I thought that he out-coached me. He went on the road. But, yeah, so we really, it was like fourth and what, 12 inches?

They have CJ Anderson, who I think gained 10 pounds during the game. He was up to 280 by the time the game ended. Claim jumper Anderson. His sweat turns into gravy. He just keeps getting bigger.

And, and when they kicked the field goal to tie it up, I really was like, that's it, they've lost. But now fast forward to, and it's funny because I listened to GM Street this morning with Lombardi and Tate,

and Lombardi was talking about how Breeze was one for 10 on passes that traveled over 30 yards in the air, and he's like, there's going to be a moment in this game when Breeze is going to throw to Ted Gannon, and it's going to be underthrown, and the D-back has to know to turn around, look for the ball and he'll be able to either pick it or break it up. This was the exact play he was talking about.

And the safety effed it up. So now it's like, minute 57 left. Rams have two timeouts left. Saints, all they need to do is score a field goal and win. The one thing you have to do is run on first down. It's the one thing that is like, this is just, you need to do is score a field goal and win. The one thing you have to do is run on first down. Right.

It's the one thing that is like, this is just, you have to do this. You have to do it. You have to run it. You can't do the easy screen. You can't do any of this stuff. You have to just run the ball. It's crazy. Yeah, just run the ball.

Run the ball. Keep the clock moving. Now, they do this weird design screen, which actually if Breeze had hit Michael Thomas, probably would have scored a touchdown. But why score a touchdown? The clock's your friend. Right.

Why do you want to give the Rams the ball back with two minutes left? You want a first down at the two is ideal. Because then you can bleed the clock. You don't ever want the Rams to touch the ball again. So I know the worst referee call of all time is coming up. But that call was egregious. And he should be embarrassed. That was a two-minute warning, right?

And then it looked rushed and it was like right close to the line of scrimmage and a lot of bad things could happen. It's not like Breeze is 6'7", either. Like him throwing the ball over D. Lyman, who knows what could happen. Stops the clock. So that's a miracle for the Rams because the way it's worked out now, they can run the ball,

run the clock down to basically a minute, kick the field goal. Even if they just kneel for three times and the Rams would have had to go, had to have gone 50 yards with no timeouts, just kick field goal. Second play, they run it. Rams take a timeout.

Third play. Now I know it was pass interference. Was that your play? That's your third down play? The wheel route with Ted Ginn? You're trying to score a touchdown on that play, too. What do you mean? It wasn't Ted Ginn.

It was Tommy Lee Lewis, wasn't it? Or Tommy Lee Lewis. Yeah, yeah. But that's your play, though? That you're running the high-risk wheel route that everything has to go perfectly for him to catch that? I know it drew a pass interference.

I'm with you. Okay, but I don't understand why Michael Thomas wasn't open the whole game. That guy seems to get open all the time. The whole thing is weird because I want the clock to keep moving first and foremost, right? Yeah. So if I miss this pass, now they have the ball with no timeouts left,

but like a minute 50. Right. So I better know this play's got to work. And, you know, and what happened next was a travesty. And it's one of the worst calls in the history of sports, but definitely in football. I don't know if you can name worse. Like, I don't know what, I don't know what this guy is. This is Roby Coleman. First of all, they already apologized for it. They already said it was a bad call.

So if it's, if they call it the right way and they could have called it based on a few things, the guy lowered his helmet, this Roby Coleman, lowered his helmet, helmet, the helmet. He definitely, definitely, definitely got there before Tommy Lee Lewis was able to get, it was a catchable ball. Like, I don't know what more you could do. And then they interview him in the locker room for the defense. And he's like, Oh, I came to the sidelines. I looked at the football guys. I said, thank you.

I got away with one tonight. There's, there's everything is pointing to that. And also, so there it is. So then they could have gotten the first down there. They would have taken three knees and kicked. And I think there would have been about 20, 22 seconds left. I think that's how it would have worked. Yeah. Well, that none of that happened because they didn't throw a flag. And I got to say, great play by that guy because that Saints play, you know, the way where Breeze put the ball, like, uh, you know, they had him beat the Rams weren't prepared for the play. So maybe it was a good play. I don't know. I, I still, I want the clock to move on that play. If, if I'm the Saints the

whole time, I just at least get my three and make Jared Goff go 58 yards in 60 seconds to tie the game. So when he comes back, Rams now have the ball with some time. Goff was really good, I thought. He made some good plays down the stretch. And then Zerline makes a 48-yarder that I got to say, the combo of the 48-yarder in regulation and the 57-yarder in OT, Vinatieri-esque. We were talking about it, and we haven't gotten through the OT field goal yet,

but there was no more perfect kick I've seen than that. Oh my God. Especially considering the one we're talking about now to tie it in regulation, hooked a little bit, hooked a little bit. It thought maybe it was going to not get inside that post and then made it. And so,

and they had called a timeout, right? The Saints to ice him. And then they did the same in the overtime. But, um, it, uh, oh my God. Well, let's not forget. So you want to go to the overtime where the Saints win the toss? Yeah. And then he gets his arm hit and he throws an interception.

Now it was, it was kinda, it could kind of, you could have called pass interference there, too. But it hit his arm. I think they thought it was tipped, but his arm got hit there. I thought the guy tipped it. I mean, the ball went straight up in the air. Something happened. Did you see? He hit his arm, though.

He nailed his arm. But his hand didn't hit the ball, though? No, no, no. Well, of course, you can't review any of this crap like you can review game changing call you can't review a pass interference inside two minutes even though everyone everyone in the world's got twenty eight thousand seven hundred fifty dollars on it but um the interception that i think it was john johnson the third makes that interception now if you're on his back make an interception, you can move up a few yards, you can move back, move side to side. If you're

laying on your back like this guy was, doing snow angels, that ball has to come perfectly down into your belly. And it did. And it did. He got it. And that was that. And then the 58-yarder. So I thought Vinatieri, the combo of the two kicks in the

Oakland game in 2002, which I call the snow game. I think mostatieri, the combo of the two kicks in the Oakland game in 2002, which I call the snow game. I think most people call it the tuck roll game. Those two kicks in the fucking snow were iconic. And I kind of feel like the 48-yarder with the Superdome. I mean, how loud, coming after the timeout, how loud did it have to be in there? You probably couldn't even hear your fucking heartbeat.

No. He makes that one. Greg DeLegge is a legend. Greg DeLegge makes the 57-yarder with like 15 yards to spare. It was like the reverse of the Milton Berle. Like he whipped all of it out. He only needed 12 inches and he whipped out like 24. I think he's like, I don't care if this goes straight.

I'm going to kick it as hard as I can. It was like a kickoff. I was like, he's going to reach. We all was like, he's going to reach this 57 yarder. It doesn't matter if it's wide left or right. Like, no, he treated it like, I'm going to kick a 70 yard field goal here. Yeah. So with the Saints, look, that was, that was the worst call in a, in a football playoff

game I can ever remember. I still feel like they, they, they can't just let themselves, they don't get let off the that was the worst call in a football playoff game I can ever remember. I still feel like they can't just let themselves, they don't get let off the hook for some of the shit that happened in that game. Not using the clock correctly with a minute 57 left.

And then, guess what? You won the coin flip in your home. Right. And you have the ball and it's like, not only did you not

put points on the board, you got picked. Mm-hmm. board, you had, you got picked. So, you know, and 13, nothing. They didn't score much. They scored seven or three or what? I mean, yeah. I really thought, I really thought the Rams were better. And I think if that's a neutral field, I think the Rams win.

If anything, like the, the home field advantage and the noise and all that stuff probably made the game closer than it was. But I thought the Rams just had better players on both sides of the ball. I thought they blocked better. I thought

as the game wore on, the Rams' pass rush really started to assert itself. They shut down Michael Thomas, who nobody's been able to do that all year. He had four catches for 36 yards.

I guess they scored 10 in the second half. I'm seeing now, but yeah, no, it's true. I mean, the one thing is I didn't know what,

aside from that fourth down call, which, you know, we always say like, hey, what does the other team want you to do? That's what you should do. Like McVay,

I thought he should have gone for it there. Yeah, me too. That's the worst. You know, they're on the six inch line and they have to get a stop anyway, right? The Rams do. Five minutes left.

But aside from that, I don't know what McVay was doing with Gurley. Do you think he was hurt or just that he had two drops? I was reading that he was benched. I thought that they dedicated the rest of the game to him. What does that mean? Because he disappeared because he was gone.

He wasn't there anymore. Sorry, I'm not ready to laugh yet. I'm going to be living in a broom closet at a waffle house. I was trying not to tweet during the game, but I couldn't resist tweeting that I wanted them

to hypnotize him into thinking he was playing the 2-10 Cardinals. Because they better make up a fake injury with him. Yeah. Because that's embarrassing. I mean, he's like one of the

five best players in the league and they were playing C.J. Anderson over him. And he had two terrible drops in the first half and just didn't look right. Bizarre. I was trying to think. We were talking about it while we were watching the game. It's like the basketball equivalent of a game seven

where Russell Westbrook just plays like 12 minutes. Yeah. Makes no sense. I'm glad you brought up basketball because I tweeted today, as long as we're bragging about tweets, I tweeted that today the NFL became the NBA, which is like, oh, is it a foul? Is it not a foul? It's just a shame. I mean, on paper, it's going to look like these were two great games. They both went to overtime, but really, you're starting to watch and not know who to root for if you're neutral because of all these bad calls. I don't know. I don't know what to do differently, but I do. I was thinking maybe there's, you get one time a game.

You can challenge a PI call, but anything. Yeah. But they have to watch it in real time. They can't watch it in slow motion. So when they're re when they're reviewing it, it can only be full speed angles. Right.

I don't care how, what kind of speed you have that last one in. They could have just someone who was dropped on this earth could have called that correctly. Well, Sal, Crown Royal is doing something pretty cool this football season. They launched a responsible drinking campaign called the Water Break. Okay. It's all about encouraging people to hydrate between drinks

for a better experience, whether it's at the game, watching at home, watching in a bar, or watching at Adam Carolla's house says you lost $57,000. Have a great time. Enjoy some crown. Don't be that guy that ruins it for everyone. We've all seen that guy who drank too much watching the game. Make the right call.

Take a water break. Here's my right call this week. I got to say McVay going for after recovering from the fourth and one debacle going for the 57 yard field goal was fucking ballsy. Cause if he misses that, the saints are basically at midfield. They get what? Like one first down.

And all of a sudden they're almost in field goal territory. Like you really need to believe in your kicker to do that. I thought that was, I thought as it was happening, I thought that was insane. I was like, really you're, happening, I thought that was insane. I was like, really?

You're settling for the 57 yarder? What's going on? I gave him a little too much credit. I think this guy watches Greg DeLay kick 70 yarders in the outdoors and practice. And I don't know. That's fine though. That's all right.

Listen, I just said it was the right call of the week. I just wanted to enjoy some Crown Royal and enjoy making the right call on a 57 yard field goal. I'm conditioned to think what's the worst case scenario if this doesn't go through. Right.

Especially when you're in the Superdome and all these terrible things can happen to you. So what's your, what's your right call of the week? I mean, I really like all four coaches. I felt got luckier than they were good today. Obviously the two that won,

but also I'm a very, very bitter man, poor man right now, but I'm going to move off football and say my right call goes to Jim Gray. I like Jim Gray. And he had the privilege of interviewing Adrian Broner after a fight that Broner lost

conservatively 11 of the 12 rounds, I would say, even though the judges, they hate Pacquiao, and two of them, I think, gave it 8-4 to Pacquiao. So meaning he needed the last two rounds. But I think he won 11 out of 12. He averaged four punches connected per round. So I guess he won four of those rounds where he averaged four. And Broner saying in the post-game fight, a post-fight interview,

he says, I won the fight. I clearly won the fight. I was robbed. And Jim Gray points out like, well, you averaged eight punches per round. So how could you say you won? He's like, Oh, well you say you're all right. I guess you're against me. You're against me. He's like, yeah. All right. You're three, three and one in your last seven fights. What do you say? Who do you want to fight? He's like, well, I want to fight you. Cause I know I would beat you. And Jim Gray's like, yeah, all right, you're 3-3-1 in your last seven fights. What do you say? Who do you want to fight? He's like, well, I want to fight you because I know I would beat you.

And Jim Gray's like, well, that wouldn't be much of a fight and walks away. But I like Jim Gray. Good for you. You liked how feisty he was. That's a good one. You liked how feisty Jim Gray got. Adrian Broner, always an underrated candidate for worst guy in sports. Yeah.

He's, he's, he's really unlikable. I, a hundred percent of the time, his post fight press conferences, you never come away from them going, Oh, he seems like a good guy.

Yeah. And so I had a pack out on against the odds podcast last week. He sounded confident. I think what he said was, I couldn't really understand a lot in some of what he was saying, but I, I felt like he really didn't like Broner.

I feel like no one really likes Broner. We were talking about today, like, he would be a great Rocky villain, except I don't think the fighting part would look good. He doesn't step up for big fights. It's so weird with him. He would also get fired during the filming. Yeah, that's true.

Seems like he's such an a-hole. Yeah, there'd be a lot to go there. Well, Crown Royal reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and hydrate responsibly. So what happens with this bet? First of all, are you still married? I am, but I haven't gotten to talk to the wife in a while. I mean, I'm screwed now, right?

With Valentine's Day, win or lose, I was going to be screwed. Now, if she knows I'm betting this much on games, it's all downhill. Maybe watch the John Wick 3 trailer with her, try to rebuild something. You think that'll do it?

It's like two and a half minutes. It's pretty good. It's a great two and a half minutes. So we say this every year as we head into the Super Bowl. It really does, football really is ridiculous. Like it really is, seven teams could win every year as we head into the Super Bowl. It really does. Football really is ridiculous. Like it really is.

Seven teams could win every year. And I don't think we've felt that more acutely than we did this year, where you have two winners and two losers, and it easily could have flipped the other way. And it's like a snow globe. You just shake the snow globe, see where the flakes settle. You know what sucks? Keep your team out of it, whoever you root for.

But it seems like, like my viewing habits, someone asked me about this the other day. How has your football viewing habits changed over the last 20 years? Like, all right. I wasn't as into fantasy in the beginning. I was more into my favorite team, the Cowboys. Then fantasy comes along. It's like, okay, that and the Cowboys are my favorite team.

And throw gambling in there. And now like gambling has now superseded everything. And it's just like, we had the four best teams in the conference finals this year. I couldn't enjoy it. I had a problem with every single play. Like, are we ever going to be able to enjoy football again on that level? I don't think so. I think you're in a dark place.

I am. Cause I can't afford the electricity. Yeah. I think, I think you're struggling. I think you're, I actually thought it was a pretty great day of football. It was just weird.

Really? All right. Yeah. It was really exciting. And, uh, I got bummed at all the reps call, like even the,

yeah, I know. You didn't feel bad for the chiefs? Have you ever felt worse for, uh, an opponent? I was too busy hugging everyone I was in the room with to feel bad for anybody else.

Think about it now though. I, I gotta be honest. I do feel like even though either all four of those teams could have advanced, I really do feel like the right two teams kind of advanced them. You did end up betting. I just thought the Rams played better

than the Saints and I thought the Patriots played better than the Chiefs. They had the ball for much longer and if the Chiefs had stolen that game, I really feel like it would have been like, wow, they stole that game. The Pats had it and they blew it. I felt this way for both teams.

These teams with big leads, better put your foot on the neck because the golf is going to figure out the noise eventually. And he did put them back. Like if you're not up 20-0, you're up 13-0. Huge, huge difference. And that crowd feels it too. And you can blame the fake punt, but

really it was just only 13-3 after the fake punt, after that drive. So the fact that the Saints couldn't really just step on their face and end it there, and Michael Thomas was lost, I'd love to hear what happened there. Because they only started running the ball in the second half. I think these teams, only the Patriots were able to survive the minor letdown from the beginning.

I didn't think Troy had a very good game announcing, because I had a lot of questions as I was watching it that I just didn't understand. You didn't think Troy had a very good game announcing because I had a lot of questions as I was watching it that I just didn't understand you didn't think who did? Troy Aikman I really didn't understand what was going on with Todd Gurley and it just felt like such a big they kept showing him on the bike and stuff

but it felt like such a bigger deal I didn't feel like they were adequately capturing the moment of how weird this was that this guy who's the best running back in football, who just signed this massive contract, was basically just thrown aside in a must-win playoff game. But just in general, I didn't understand why the Saints couldn't run the ball better. I didn't understand why they kept throwing the Ted Ginn in big spots. Like, where was Thomas?

They weren't showing me on replays what the Rams were doing to take out Thomas and all that stuff. The girl was crazy. They went to the sideline so many times to just show a shot of him without reporting on what was going on. You see him some assistant spraying water in his mouth.

He hasn't played in the whole quarter. I think he could spray his own water. What are they doing here? What's going on? I know they reacted after the Saints threw in that first down, but I'd feel like if you're an announcer, you have to basically have a heart attack when that's happening. That's the dumbest thing you can do in that situation.

On the flip side, I thought Romo did a really nice job of pointing out some things during the game that I was either thinking of or I hadn't fully thought of, but as soon as he said, I was like, yeah, he's right. And the biggest point he kept banging home was this Kansas city thing. Like they can score two touchdowns in two minutes. Like you have to think about them like a basketball team, you know,

you're up 15 and then all of a sudden Curry hits four threes and it's a three point game and you're winning what the F happened. Right. And that was what the Chiefs were. And, you know, unfortunately for them, their defense is just so awful that, you know, they just couldn't get the ball. The Chiefs had to be perfect offensively to make it happen. And, you know, being on their third-string running back isn't really helping that much either. You know, I thought it took Williams some time to get going.

I thought everyone should be able to run the ball today. I said all four teams should have someone around 100 yards, I thought. Just based on seeing the last three or four weeks from everybody. And the Saints had trouble getting going until the second half. And the Patriots ran the ball well, and the Chiefs did not. I am, and I talked about this last week and I'm just going to mention it quickly again. I'm stunned that Brady was able to turn the

switch on like he did these last two weeks. There weren't a lot of signs of it this season. I've said it before, but he really did play the regular season a certain way. Some of the hits and plays he was taking in this game and just the way he just looked like the old Brady. It's amazing because he's 41 and it was freezing fucking cold outside.

Then you see him in the press conference after. He still looks like he did 10 years ago. I mean, he might – it's unclear if he's human. Kyle, are we 100% sure he's human? I'm sure. He's the best human. He's human. Kyle, do you have anything to tell us?

Kyle's wearing a Wes Welker jersey right now. I's the best human. He's human. Kyle, do you have anything to tell us about? Kyle's wearing a Wes Walker jersey right now. I think everything worked out. I met your older patriarchal family for the first time, and I just didn't want to screw anything up, and they seemed like everything worked out. We had an incredible scene. We were very wary about the seating, making sure everybody stayed in the same spot, stuff like that.

But my Uncle Bob, who turned 70, who they came out for his birthday, he ended up kind of moving away from the group a little bit further back and was kind of muttering to himself for the entire second half like a crazy person. And then Kevin Brady had a blanket over his head. And my dad was like, just would just randomly get up and walk to weird spots in the room. And it was really like, if you had pills, if you just,

yeah, he was, he ran out of heart medication. Like he really did. He was like, I went through the whole box. Wow. Um, did anyone make a move for the room to,

for the door to leave the room before the D Ford offsides penalty was called? No, no, it's weird. Brady's been in this spot so many times. You just assume something good will happen, but yeah, that's the D Ford play is going to be the iconic play.

But I wish we'd had a security camera just overhead on the living room watching the bizarre behavior. Well, that's on you. You should have that anyway. Yeah, maybe to get that next time. Yeah. Hey, turn your dream into a reality with Squarespace.

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Offer code BS. Rams, Pats, Super Bowl. Yeah. This was my big prediction on the podcast with House on Thursday. It's 17 years to the day. February 3rd, 2002, Pats-Rams, Super Bowl XXXVI. You were there. I was there.

I didn't really know you, right? No, we were in the building together and we did not know each other. We met a few months later. Yeah. Right, we were both in the building. Yeah. You lost money and it was the happiest sports months later. Yeah. Right. We were both in the building. Yeah. You, you lost money and it was the like happiest sports moment of my life. Right. Or one of them. Yeah.

And now 17 years later, same quarterback, same coach. Wow. And it's the old coach versus the new coach. McVay and Belichick. It's a, it's a Red Sox Dodgers rematch, right? A lot of nice old players. Yeah. There's Red Sox-Dodgers rematch, right? Souths-Lakers? Yeah, there's another Boston-LA thing. I don't know. I can't really describe how LA has responded to the Rams. I think there are some people that really like them here, but it's certainly not like for the Saints, that was

a borderline nobody-goes-to- nobody goes to work tomorrow kind of loss. Right. Right? If nobody goes to work in New Orleans tomorrow, it's understandable. I think it's a holiday tomorrow, too. Oh, yeah. It's a holiday tomorrow, so they don't have to go to work. That helps.

Timely holiday. But LA, it's like, okay, the Rams are the Super Bowl. People care more that Lonzo Ball got hurt. Yeah, you're right. There are some funny videos online of bars, different bars. Oh, I saw some of those. Hilarious. Really tame reactions

to the field goal going through. Really great. So I think if you're... First of all, everyone hates the Patriots. Then I think people are mad about this kind of, those bar videos will be going around. I don't know who people root for in this game. I am picking for the line Patriots by three and a half.

I got the heads up that the NFC would be favored unless it was Rams chiefs. And it made sense to me. And with that in mind, I thought the Rams are going to be minus one. And it opened at Rams minus one. And it's now Patriots minus two. Oh, so I win. Sunday night, you win.

Congratulations, you win the year. I think you won 12 out of the 21 weeks. Wait a second. 12-7-2 or something. Vegas opened the Super Bowl line with the Rams by one? They made the NFC team favored, yeah. That's ludicrous. How insulting.

What else does Tom Brady have to do? Well, he hasn't won a Super Bowl. He didn't win last year. God. I think... What do you think? What do you worry about most in this game? I'm sure I'll talk myself into 15 things I'll worry about. Guys like Dominick and Sue are starting to make big plays.

Aaron Donald, of course, is always there. Yeah, I think with the Rams... You got your Aqib Tlaib coming back into the old team. It's fun. The Rams have some blue chippers. Yeah. I think that would be the thing that worries me the most. We had one thing.

I was like, what's happening? We were watching the game, and I said, this is literally how it went. I was like, where's Aaron Donald been the last few plays? I haven't heard anything from him. Next play, he sheds two dudes and tackles somebody for a five-yard loss. They just have really good players. And they, they,

they did this huge roll of the dice this season with how they use the salary cap, where they went on all in on some guys and they don't have a lot of depth, but now they were able to get to the super bowl. And other than Cooper cup, I think that they're mostly intact. Yeah. So,

and golf, I think, you know, he's a little up and down. I don't know if I trusted him, but for what he did in the Superdome, you get big points for that. That was a big boy game by Goff. That was a big boy game by him.

I felt Wade Phillips stepped it up. I was crapping on him all week long on Lockett. And I was like, here's a guy who already had a really good defense, and Aaron Donald had some studs on defense. And in the offseason, they signed Fowler. They got Dominick and Sue. Did he come over this year? I think he did.

I think he was this year. And they kind of underperformed most of the year. They had a couple injuries. Tlaib just kind of got back. But they stepped it up in key spots and holding the Saints to 13 second-half points. And the second half was pretty big. We didn't mention, by the way,

my apologies to the saints fans for not mentioning this. Cause it should have been mentioned that that is a back to back playoff loss combo from what happened last year, the Minnesota game to what happened this year. That might be unparalleled. I don't remember. So Cleveland had the drive with Elway, and then they had the Biner game. But I don't think those were back-to-back.

Right. I don't think those were consecutive years. I'm not sure. But this is like. Was it 87-88? No, it wasn't? No. Was it back-to-back? I don't know.

If it was, my apologies, Browns fans. The Bills had, Norwood was bad, but then they got slaughtered the second year. This is like, last year they lose on Yeah, you're right. probably the second craziest playoff ending

of all time, other than short of Music City Miracles won, and that was probably two. Yeah. And then this year they lose on the worst football call of all time. Right. Oh, so by the way, I went through, I tried to figure out what were the other terrible referee calls. The most famous one, the one that we grew up with was the Mike Renfro play, which was

against the Steelers. It was Steelers, Oilers. The final score of that game was 27-13, but it was the play where he caught it, they ruled that he was out of bounds, and it really did seem like if they had called it correctly, the Oilers could have beaten the Steelers. And that was the play that everybody credits for.

After that happened, people kind of all felt we needed instant replay. Yeah, I was going to say, you know what was different about that game? They didn't have instant replay. Now they have it, and they can check stuff like this, except they can't check stuff like this. So the other really bad one

that doesn't matter as much because it didn't affect who won the Super Bowl but still really matters was the Terrell Owens miracle catch against the Packers. You remember Rice fumbled before that. Oh yeah. And they screwed it up. Against the 49ers. Against the Packers. You remember Rice fumbled before that. Oh yeah. And they screwed it up. And if they had had 49ers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Against the Packers. And they, they messed it up and it should

have been game over. And they met, that didn't happen. Then the other one, the most famous one in Patriots history was the rough in the passer cog and Sugar Bear Hamilton, which was, you know, when I was growing up though, it was the one, the best Patriots team we had in the seventies. They had the lead. It was like third and 17. They called this rough and the passer playing on Hamilton. That was really famously bad in the moment. The referee became like this name. Everyone threw around in Boston for my entire childhood and growing up. It gave the Raiders a second life. They ended up winning. And it is a horrible call.

We always felt like the tuck roll call was like God's way of making up for how bad this rough in the passer call was. None of these calls were as bad as what we saw here, though. Thank you. Not even close, actually. Thank you. And I'll tell you what, as a result of all that,

I don't care if it goes nowhere, but I think I'm suing the NFL. I really do. I'm going to look it up because this was a legitimate bet. It originated at a legitimate casino sports book. I bought it and I'm suing this officiating crew for, as far as I could tell reckless interference of a contract. And you know, I'm going to have our friend Elliot helping me. Honestly, I might file papers tomorrow. Wow.

I'm kidding, I'm not. I think you're kidding. No, it's a class action suit if anyone wants to join up on it. Referees, oh, they're going to apologize. The D-back is going to say, oh, thank the football gods. I survived one. No, that's not how it works. I'm owed money here.

Well, if they ever overturned the result of a football game on a call, this would be the closest you could probably do it because it would have been first down with like, what, a minute, what, how much, like minute 45 left, something like that? 149. 149. Rams had one timeout left. Right. So let's say they take it at 145, second down. Third down, 105, plus a few seconds for the play. Probably a minute. Fourth down. 20 seconds left. Timeout.

Kicked field goal. You're kicking off with 16 seconds left. God. Yeah. I'll have to prove all this in the lawsuit you know that a kicker will typically make a

28 yard field goal 98% of the time you know I'll have stats for all this really bad really bad I don't think

the Saints should get off guilt free for some of the things they didn't make but really bad you're probably happy you're playing

you'd rather probably play the Saints right what do you think Kyle As a Patriots fan, you're probably happy you're playing. You'd rather probably play the Saints, right? What do you think, Kyle? It seems perfect. Well, you just like the karma of the Rams. Like the fact that we're playing them against something that's not.

I mean, Jared Goff, he just kind of, you know, he's still young. And sometimes he looks dumb in the face. Don't light a fire under Jared Goff. I'm just saying. He's going right on their bulletin board. What about Brandon Cooks? Is he going to say, hey, I gave it to my old team. I'm going to do it again. Were you worried about that a little bit? Not really, no.

I'm not that worried about it. After watching that game from start to finish, I got to say, I think I would have rather played the Saints. Yeah. I thought the Rams were better. I think the Saints would have been lucky to escape with a win in that one. If you believe that Goff is going to get off to an okay start in the Super Bowl

and not need that first quarter to get his footing, then I think you would rather play the Saints. Did you see? You probably didn't see the pregame show, right? No, I was driving over now. Pratchett did this really crazy thing talking about. Did he have the mask on? Because he's a masked singer, you know.

He was talking about Goff had this thing in his brain where the pressure, but now he's learned to channel it. And it was impossible to tell whether he was serious or not. And there was like six people on the set. i don't i gotta be honest i don't know who those pre-game shows are for yeah i i like they have these fancy interviews with uh you know carissa thompson interviewing drew breeze and there's like some special effects and graphics and she's like let's play a trivia game nine years ago you were 13 and 3 I'm like what can you just tell me who to gamble on

or should I put it in my fantasy lineup why are we talking about this Cooper Manning's there who is this for who's watching this I don't think Bradshaw should be talking about other quarterbacks brains just in general and then the other thing that gets me is at the start of the games

when the sideline reporters, like I talked to Bill Belichick before the game, and he told me, he's like, he's not going to tell you anything. What do you think? And he told me what we have to do, and he spelled out, here's the strategy. Yeah, right. I think the people to listen to are like Romo and Aikman

because they clearly get tipped off something. Because Romo was saying at the beginning, you know, they're going to jam their receivers. They're going to do this. And they feel like blah, blah, blah. And it was like basically everything the Pats were trying to do. Well, I thought that that's, well, yeah. I mean, Romo, yeah. He and I were, he kind of said exactly what was going to happen. And I told you that, damn it. I'm the only one here. Did you end up betting on the Pats? No, I stayed away from that game. I tried that. Damn it. I'm the only guy here. Did you end up betting

on the Pats? No, I stayed away from that game. I tried that. I was like, hey, let me enjoy one game. And then, like I said, by the end, I just felt bad for everybody. I really liked the Rams with the plus three and a half because I just felt like it was a field goal game. Pats Chiefs, I picked the Pats mostly because of Belichick and Brady

versus Reed, but I really did feel like it was an anything could fucking happen gamefucking-happen game. Anybody who went into that game and was like, here's what's going to happen, you're lying. When you have two shitty defenses against two good offenses, nothing great's going to happen. I will say, I thought they wouldn't have a chance,

the Chiefs, unless they sacked Brady at least three times, and they didn't get to him, right? In fact, my home's got sacked. I believe four times. I thought Brady had an unbelievable amount of time and his receivers just, it's really hard for them to get open.

That's what made those a couple of those third and Ted Edelman plays. He really dug back deep to like old school, getting over the middle, taking the hit Edelman was great. It was an awesome Pat's friend. This is a, this is truly incredible that this is still going. It is now 2019. We are finishing the second decade of this.

It's incredible. Speechless. I was talking about it with our friend Dave Damoshek, and it's like, when the Patriots go away, it's going to kind of suck. It's like, you know, they'll just be someone different in the Superbowl every year. It's like, Oh, all right. Uh, Joe Flacco on a Superbowl. That's nice. Imagine if like, if they weren't around right now, it's just, it's so much fun from a, Oh, I like this. This is a whole,

you're going to miss us when we're gone thing. A little bit. Yeah. This is right in my wheelhouse. I'm saying if they never came around the Patriots, we just wouldn't know any better. Right? Like if there was never wireless internet, we wouldn't know any better. Our lives would be fine, but here you are. You guys are wireless internet. Well, the two Super Bowls before they made it were that really goofy Rams-Titans Super Bowl,

which Tom Hanks found out and cast away after the fact. Yeah, what a way to find out. It lives on now and cast away, which is on AMC all the time. And then the year later was that Ravens-Giants Super Bowl. Right. But you remove the pass from the equation. It's just probably weird Super Bowl matchups. Year after year, like Tampa-Oakland,

that was the first year you and I knew each other. And it would just be this random matchups everywhere. It would be like a computer simulator. I think doing this in the salary cap era for this long is is

I just don't think it ever happens again I don't see any scenario because they basically I'm with you they basically had three different even as good as Mahomes is

and whatever you put behind him it's still one player I don't I don't you need the coach you need to you need to be able to fill it in still one player. You need the coach. You need to be able to fill it in. You need a little luck along the way.

They did it. Eight AFC championships in a row, they've made that game. That's phenomenal. To me, that's the number right there. And then the other thing where you have, they basically have three different runs. So it goes from like 01 to 07, culminating, and then Brady blows out his ACL. Then they have the second run from basically 09 to 13, where they're really good every year. And

they only make the Super Bowl once. And they have some bad luck in a couple of playoff games. And then bad luck in the one Super Bowl game that could have gone either way. And then they start this third run, and they make the Super Bowl four times in five years. So it's been basically three different eras within the same era with the same coach and the same QB. But this is like, you know, it's just, it does not seem like it should be sustainable anymore.

I sent you a video yesterday or maybe the day before. I don't even know if you had ever seen it, but I was recording you and we're at Jimmy's house for a Superbowl against the Seahawks and the play, the Russell Wilson pick, it just happened at the goal line. And I panned the cross and there are some A-list Patriots fans. You can figure out who they are.

And then there's you, you're in disbelief. You got your head in your are. Yeah. And then there's you. You're in disbelief. You got your head in your hands. And like Tony Kornheiser is in there. It's pretty spectacular. And it just continues. It's on and on. Yeah, and I'm like having a freaking stroke.

Yeah. Yeah, Kornheiser's behind me. He's all happy. We might have to put that online this week. I'm fine with it. Yeah. Dickie Barrett's in there. What's,

uh, what's do your last parent corner before you get kicked out of your house? Well, it has something to do with it because, um, you know, I'm driving home. I'm thinking,

I was like, well, there's no, there's just, I just can't believe. I wonder if like a foreigner, like I said, it was just dropped on this planet and never seen football before.

So my recently turned five-year-old, um, Harrison, I show him the play, which now I'm watching a lot. Now at this point, I'm like laughing at the replay of that pass interference. Like to me, it's like, now it's Charlie bit my finger. I'm just like, now I can just laugh how egregious it is with no call. But I was like, Hey, what about a five-year-old that doesn't give a shit about football?

Let me show him. I'm like, all right, Harrison, explain to me what happens in here with the guy in the black Jersey. And then there's a guy in the, in the white and blue. And he says the white and blue hit him. Okay. Did he hit him before the ball? Yeah. Yeah, he did. Okay. Did he, what did he do with his head? He put his head down and he hit him. He put his head down and he hit him before the ball got there before the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Dad. Okay. You think he could have caught the ball? I don't know. I don't know. And then he just yelled at me and went on to watching his iPad of families having fun, probably what I should be doing with him, but that's it. Not much of

a parent corner, but just want to reinforce that five-year-olds could figure out what happened in that play, but a retired insurance salesman who, you know, blows a whistle four months a year, can't figure it out. So your, your parent corner was basically about you trying to seek solace in one of the worst losses of your gambling life, if not the worst. Yeah. With your hoping your five-year-old would be able to make you feel what

better. He did. He made me feel better. And then he made me feel worse by watching the family. He was having fun. So it was a wash, I think. Hold on. We have to pause for one second before we do my parent corner.

I have another parent corner of just the five minutes it took for my 11-year-old son to figure out how to put headphones on. That was something. So for my parent corner, we watched the game with my son and with my dad and my uncles and then and then we went out and we're driving back

and we're all talking about the game and we're listening to the NFL radios thing and then Ben what did you tell us out of nowhere the moon landing is fake whoa The moon landing is fake. Whoa. The moon landing's fake apparently, Sal. Why do you think, Ben? What happened?

Okay, I have a couple of reasons. Okay. So there was a famous rock on the moon. It was called the Sea Rock. Yeah. And basically it had a huge sea covered in it. What else can that mean? Production studio.

They forgot to flip it over. Okay. It's a prop. Okay. What was the other evidence you had? Well, if you look closely into one of the astronauts' face thingies, it shows a production light. Really?

I didn't realize that. What was the thing you were saying about the flag? Oh, it was moving and there's no gravity. What do you mean the flag? Like the flag was waving like it was windy?

Yeah, it was waving. The American flag was moving? When they planted the flag on the moon? Yeah. These are all things you learned on YouTube? Yes. Wow. So now on the moon? Yeah. These are all things you learned on YouTube? Yes.

Wow. So now you believe them? Yes. So, Sal, I bring this up because, as you know, the fake news and all this stuff has become kind of a thing. I just wanted to show how it was affecting our 11-year-olds. It's affecting the younger people. It's so funny.

YouTube recently came out and said they're not going to show stunts, like people doing dangerous stunts But they'll put things like the moon landing Was fake on there, that's okay Also the earth is flat Now you're just messing with us No, now you're messing No, come on, now you're kidding

Now you're kidding, come on Wait, before you leave Who do you think was the craziest When we were watching the Patriots game today? Bob. Uncle Bob? What was Uncle Bob doing? He was like, no, no, no, stupid Carl.

Yeah, he was like muttering to himself, right? Yeah. Did you think he was an insane person? Yeah. He should have belonged in the movie Mom was watching with the loony home. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably should have. Ben, I'm going to show you a clip

of Roby Coleman tackling Tommy Lee Lewis, and you tell me if the NFL is fake, okay? Did you see the call before? Oh, no, he didn't see that. He was playing Fortnite. Hey, before we go,

here's the other parent, do you want to tell, do you want to tell Sal? No, do you want to tell Sal about what you're doing in WWE 2K19? Was my, my career? Yeah.

Just give him a sample. Oh, my career person, he's so stacked. Yeah. Why is he stacked? Tell us about him. He's like a powerhouse for wrestling. He's undefeated. What'd you name him?

Chris Danger. Chris Danger? That's pretty good. What's his name him? Chris Danger. Chris Danger? That's pretty good. What's his gimmick? He's a guy from the Indies that just got picked up from WWE that attacked NXT. So you made all of his numbers as high as possible so then he would destroy everybody? No, you have to earn them. Oh, you have to earn them?

Yeah. It's my career. My career. Okay, so you're doing good with that. But the moon landing was fake. The moon landing. Also, they paid off the referees in the football game. I swear.

I'm with you, buddy. Now you have to go, Ben. Ben, thanks for being on Parent Corner. Ben, wait. Who's winning the Royal Rumble? Oh, yeah. Who's winning the Royal Rumble? Drew McIntyre.

Yeah, isn't that weird? He's favored to winning. Wasn't he like a jobber Didn't he lose to everybody 3 years ago But now he's actually good They're giving him a push Or Strowman

You can bet on this by the way Drew McIntyre is the favorite to eliminate More competitors than anybody else What happened to Braun Strowman They just gave up on him He got suspended For breaking Vince's limo competitors than anybody else. What happened to Braun Strowman? They just gave up on him? He got suspended for breaking Vince's limo.

I hate when that happens. I think there's a production company behind that, but I'm not going to start any trouble. True. Ben, how many books did you read this week? Zero. Alright, we got to work on that. Thanks for being on Parent Corner. You're welcome. So there you go, Sal.

There you go. Well, congratulations. You did it again, Bill. So the moon landing didn't happen, but the Patriots did make another Super Bowl. Right. That was not a conspiracy. Walk me through what the rest of your week's going to be like.

So obviously you're going to talk about this on Lock It In. Yep. Are you ever going to make another joint bet with Clay Travis? I don't know. I should have known then, like when Furman backed out and we got two losers. Basically, my nemesis was joining forces on this bet. I just wanted to win this game.

And then I swear to God, I would have sold a little bit of it off. I would have been fine. But what do we do, Simmons? You know what? I got to tell you, I have a really good feeling about blue Gatorade. I'm going to get it all back. So you have not only Lock It In, but the Against All Odds podcast this week. And then next week, we're going to do Super Bowl props.

I can't remember. Did we do that on your podcast or mine? We'll have to figure it out. I don't remember what it was. All right. Well, maybe we'll have a coin flip for it. That'll be good. You're doing good with those.

Sal, as always, good job by you. Good job by you, Billy. All right, before we go, just because my dad's in town, he's here. You're still awake somehow. It's like 1 o'clock East Coast time. I'm so excited about that game, I can't go to sleep. You acted pretty erratically down the stretch. Well.

You stood up at one point. You were standing to my right, which you didn't do all game. I had to yell at you. You were moving around. You kept getting up. I didn't know what was going on with you. I thought you were actually, you and Uncle Bob, I thought you were losing your mind.

It was one of the strangest second halves. The penalties on both teams, miscues, tip passes that ended up as interceptions. 39 seconds, we go ahead. We think the game's over, but with Mahomes. And you're like, you're going, we scored too soon, and we're all like, shut up. You know. You can't score too soon. We're down four.

We need a touchdown. It's that strange feeling that if maybe we should not score in the first down, but of course, that's silly. You have to score right away. But 39 seconds with Mahomes, if he needed a touchdown, it would have been different, but he only needed the three points. So that worried me. Worried everybody in the room.

Did you think Tom Brady still had it in him? He said some mean things about him this year during the regular season. I don't remember saying any mean things about him. I thought- You were worried that he might be on the downside. Well, that's true. I mean, everybody worried that he is on the downside.

How can you maintain what he's accomplished over all the years he's played? I think he fooled on the downside. How can you maintain what he's accomplished over all the years he's played? I think he fooled all of us. Well, the last four games have been terrific. I thought the game last week against the Chargers, he was just outstanding. And I thought he was just as outstanding today. You know, he had the tip pass for the interception,

and then he had that very strange throw where I just think he didn't see the defender when he was trying to go to Gronk in the end zone. But other than that, I thought he played a perfect game. You know, when we were riding home in the car, I didn't realize the Pats had over 500 yards of offense. The other team, they only had under 300 yards. It feels like we should have won by 20 points

yeah it definitely I said this out it feels like the right team won but it certainly could have gone the other way too but it you know the Chiefs would have been 31 second at points

they definitely would have felt like they stole the game I said this out I was thinking about it that was like the bastard cousin of the 06 title game in Indianapolis, where it was like we had the game, and then all of a sudden we didn't have it anymore. Right.

And then they were just going to steal it. And it would have been, I think, just a horrible loss. It would have been a devastating loss. How did we blow this one? Yeah, a devastating loss. But now it's devastating for the Chiefs. As you know, one of my brothers, Chuck, lives in kansas city i just got an email from him and uh all he could focus on was that five yard offside penalty yeah because brady had just thrown his third interception

yeah seemingly the game was over and out of the blue this guy gets the penalty. They show the replay. For some reason, he lined up, obviously, over the line. Yeah. Well, it was Dee Ford. He's one of their best guys. Yeah, one of their best guys. And we get another break and get a chance. And we got a couple of breaks, but Kansas City got a couple of breaks too. I mean, it kind of evened out. I felt like it evened out. Yeah, it evened out. I don't know how Edelman didn't touch the ball though. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't think we could recreate that with like the fucking Matrix and CGI. As it turned out, that was not an important play because

on the next, the next, the next play, Brady threw the interception. So, that evened out anyway. So when this all started with the snow game, which was 17 plus years ago, which I watched at your old house.

I was still living in Boston and now same coach, same QB. And we're still going through the second decade. It's amazing. And it's the same team. I was just reading on Facebook. I think on Friday you predicted a Los Angeles Ram, New England Patriot Superbowl rematch. I did. That's pretty special that we're going to get to play them again.

Obviously it's a slightly different team. It's not St. Louis, but I just saw the line we're favored by one and a half, which really surprised me. Well, we just talked about it. Sal said it started out Rams by one, and then it flipped. It'll be Pats by three at game time, I bet. You think so? Yeah.

It's got to be, right? Brady Belichick? I would think so. I mean, we're not on the road. We're on a neutral court. I mean, we're not on the road. We're on a neutral court. I have some questions for you before we go. Do you want to apologize to Rex Burkhead for anything you said about him the first two hours of the game? Well, yes. I'm sorry, Rex. I love you. I think you're a great ball player. And I'm sorry that I called you those terrible things in the first half.

Do you want to apologize to anybody on the defense? I guess not. We gave up 31 points the second half. No, I think poor JC. I'm still on JC. I had a horrible game. Yeah, a couple of those calls were bad. He had a horrible game. They had him guarding Travis Kelsey calls were bad. Yeah, he had a horrible game.

They had him guarding Travis Kelsey. I mean, what did they think was going to happen? And he was all over the place. I thought Gilmore played a great game. He had that one bad, that one play he gave up the long pass, but he kind of turned around and stopped and then had to pick up speed again. Trey Flowers had some good moments. Trey Flowers was terrific.

Obviously, he's the kind of player that we're not going to pay and we're going to lose him after the season. But he was great. Are we going to lose him after the season? That's happening? He'll be a free agent. They're never going to pay him. I will say one of the funny parts,

we watched the game with a friend, Kevin Brady, and at one point at the beginning of overtime, he was sitting on the couch, and he had a blanket pulled over his head except his eyes could see the TV. He was so nervous. He made me feel nervous. Yeah.

And then my brother Bob was sitting behind me. He was mumbling the whole time. How could they score with 39 seconds left? How could that happen? And Kyle just kept leaving for some reason. We don't know where he went. He just kept going outside. You'll never know where I was going.

We don't know what he was doing. All you can do is guess. Well, my brother Don was also with us, and usually he's hiding under the bed, but he was pretty good this game. He seemed heavily medicated, though. Yeah. Or medicated by Sauvignon Blanc.

That white wine was slowing. Over under Pat's touchdowns versus Sauvignon Blanc. It was quite a game. And then your grandson, I thought, really came through in the second half. He came in in the second half. We bring him in almost like Rex Burkhead for a change of pace. Yeah. Change of pace for the living room.

Except I didn't say bad things about Ben in the first half. No, you didn't. You didn't say bad things about Ben in the first round. No, you didn't. You didn't. Yeah. But, hey, we're going to the Super Bowl. Six, the ninth time, fourth time in five years. Third year in a row in the Super Bowl. I mean, this is the era of parody.

Roger Goodell sitting in the stands. Yeah. He's mortified. He's angry. Yeah. He's devastated that the Patriots are going to's mortified. He's angry. Yeah. He's devastated that the Patriots are going to the Super Bowl. I love it. It's pretty good.

He's your friend, isn't he? Roger Goodell? No, I'm sorry. I got him mixed up with somebody. We've actually, this is the fourth Super Bowl in five years since the whole DeFleck thing started. That's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I'd love to see them win because i like the symmetry of six wins and only three losses five wins and four losses doesn't have the same ring right plus it's the same day as as uh robert craft's new girlfriend's 21st birthday so it could be it's gonna be a raucous party i don't want to go there does craft give you does he you are you impressed like he's older than you are i'm impressed i i mean i still got it going i can barely walk up the stairs and i don't know how he's doing it We came really close to moving to Hartford.

We did. He saved the team. That really almost happened. Or St. Louis was the other one that everybody forgets. Runs a good organization. His sons seem to be doing well with the team. My only criticism is the example of Flowers probably leaving. Sometimes you have to pay that guy that really is.

But we make the Super Bowl every year with these guys that we've never heard of. J.C. Jackson, undrafted free agent guarding Travis Kelsey. We draft terribly. Every year you and I complain about the guys they draft. And then we make the Super Bowl. It's crazy. It's crazy. But we do have the GOAT.

And he's still going strong. And do you think now he probably can play two or three more years? I guess we don't need a quarterback. I'm all in. He figured out how to use the regular season. I didn't see it in the time. I blame myself. I'm all in. He figured out how to use the regular season. I didn't see it in the time. I blame myself. I'm always going to regret it.

But he clearly figured out how to use those four months to just kind of stay in the field. And not take huge hits. And look at the last four games. Yeah. He looked... I mean, he missed some throws in the first half. I didn't think he was out of control great in the first half

until that last throw to make it 14-0. But second half, he was on. What was the stat? He was 13 for 19 on third downs? Yeah. Efficiency? Well, competing three third and tens on the same drive to win was nuts. Edelman, what a warrior.

Gronk had a great game. Gronk had the kind of game we were talking about beforehand that if this is it for him, boy, he gave 110% today. And I hope it's not it. He has one more year in the contract. I hope he's here next year. No, Don doesn't. Don's not ready to say goodbye to Gronk. We got one more year with Gronk.

I think they figured out now how to re-figure what he does. Right. Make him a little bit more of a blocker and then kind of break him out of the garage every once in a while. And they did that today. Do that whole thing. I mean, they only threw to him once last week and he was a critical part of the passing offense today.

You don't like Sue. He's one of your least favorite guys. He's dirty. He's a dirty player. Oh, bulletin board material again, Kyle. And Brandon Cooks, you've never forgiven him for trying to vault the eagle on the reverse of the Super Bowl last year. It was a stupid football play, but- Now we get revenge on him. I think we could certainly use him on a team this year, but

we missed that deep threat. You think Todd Gurley's going to get his confidence back before the final game? Oh, I was more hoping that that injury he suffered today is going to linger for the next three weeks. What's the injury? I don't know. I think he injured his pride. No, he was on the bike. So whenever you see the player on the bike, something tightened up for him. Or it was a cover-up.

I hope it tightens up more. Hope he's back healthy next year. Yeah, he'll have a good year next year. It's tough for you, though, because you have your hometown team, the Rams, here in the Super Bowl. It's the Patriots. I mean, who do you root for?

I don't know. Yeah, it's tough. It'll be probably the Patriots. Oh, you think? I mean, everybody here in LA is so caught up with the Rams. You know, when we were driving home, I was amazed by all the people out on the streets. Honking horns.

Yeah, it was crazy. Driving around with the Rams flags. And the Rams flags in the windows of cars and houses. In a weird way, it plays in their favor, though, because they're better on the road or in neutral fields because they don't really have a total home field advantage. They played obviously well on the road today. I neutral fields because they don't really have a total home field advantage. They played well. They played obviously well on the road today. I thought they deserved to win that game, even though they almost didn't. But I actually thought the last three quarters, I just thought they played better.

Yeah, except all anybody is talking about is that penalty calls. I was saying this, Sal. We're trying to think of the other worst football calls of all time in the Ben Treeth, Sugar Bear, Hamilton call, which was like the worst, the first terrible call of my childhood. It was terrible. But that wasn't even 40% as bad as the call today. No, I mean, that call today,

that's all we're going to hear about the next week or so. Particularly if you're, obviously, if you're a New Orleans fan. Well, Dad, it was really fun to watch the game with you and your brothers. It was fun to watch it. I'm glad both your teams made it. Thanks. Thanks. I'll try to pick.

I like the Rams banner that you have in your living room. It's nice. You know, after I went, the Pats Rams, the first Super Bowl, I remember when I was leaving, I bought, because they had the merchandise for both teams, and it was so fast how it turned out, the first Super Bowl. I remember when I was leaving, I bought, because they had the merchandise for both teams and it was so fast how it turned out, they had everything up. And I bought this Rams Super Bowl champions cup

with the t-shirt inside and I brought it back and I had the t-shirt for years and then somebody threw it out or something. And I had that cup too. And it was like my favorite possession that this alternate universe where the Rams won the Super Bowl. But that's way up there for us. That was a top four.

That and the 2004 Red Sox. Those are way up there, yeah. Pat's Atlanta was pretty great. Pat's Atlanta was great, but we had been there before. Brady, by the way, 29th playoff win today. Are you sure? I thought it was the 30th. Is it 30th?

I thought he tied the record today. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? I can't even keep track. I think it's 29th. I think it was 29th. Oh, 29th, okay. 30th would be the Super Bowl.

Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of. With 13 bye weeks. I like the fact that Belichick has these two weeks to prepare. Oh, that was the other stat I saw, that Belichick is, I think, 11-0 in the playoffs against first-year quarterback, quarterback who are in the playoffs for the first time. And this will be true for the next game. I remember in 2001 when Bledsoe was ready to play again

after the Mo Lewis hitis hit finally and everyone in boston was brady or blood so you love blood so you had his you had his jersey yeah but i i switched to brady almost immediately but you were like gotta bring blood so back you can't lose your job with an injury you were big on that corner for a while i do believe in that, but. You were like, it's the fair thing to do. Right. That was a mistake. It's not the only one I've made, but it probably. I did love Blitzo. Yeah. But I think both of us had kind of started to come to the realization that it probably

wasn't happening with him. I'm not sure. I mean, he. He's pretty flawed. He went out with an injury. He was flawed. Because Brady would come in and then he would do like that,

the play action and like the crisp little wide receiver screens. The way that Garoppolo played two years ago. Your guy, Jimmy. Yeah. Oh, do you want to apologize to Sonny Michel? You know, I have a feeling... You wanted Lamar Jackson over him.

No, I wanted... I kind of did too. That's not true. I wanted Lamar Jackson over him no I wanted I kind of did too that's not true I wanted Lamar Jackson over the offensive lineman they took not Sonny Michel okay yeah

sounds like a revisionist history alright Pat's Rams we'll have you on before the the big game alright Pat's Rams looking forward to it

you're flying back tomorrow you're just going to watch the NFL Network and I'll come in and play the game you're flying back with Don and Bob tomorrow. It would have been such a depressing plane trip

if we had lost. So we're excited. Hopefully American Airlines has a TV I can watch NFL Network. Maybe we'll have the game on again. Alright. Thanks for coming on. My pleasure. Thank you. Thanks to Cousin Sal

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