The Binge Cases: Denise Didn't Come Home - Catch Me If You Ken I 2. Cleaning House

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

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The Binge. Campsite media. It's a beautiful spring day in LA. The morning dew's still heavy on grass. We're in the Hollywood Hills, a ritzy neighborhood of winding streets and epic mansions where buses filled with tourists stop to gawk at celebrity homes.

Rita, the house cleaner, has been tidying up Ken and Becca's home here for a while now. Rita pushes open the gate to Ken and Becca's house. She's excited because she recently got a text from Ken. He said, I have this great opportunity. Basically, he respects me and loves me as a friend and wants to see me not work so hard and do good.

But, you know, at the same time, he's not the kind of person that just hands out money. He needs people to prove that they would take a chance with him to make it big. And that's when Ken tells her about a business opportunity that's going to change her life. It's that same luxury Airbnb he would soon tell the Sables about in Ohio,

the one with the name Your Sky Investments. Ken tells her if he lets her in on this deal, she'll never have to clean houses again. Staples about in Ohio, the one with the name Your Sky Investments. Ken tells her if he lets her in on this deal, she'll never have to clean houses again. He did say things like, oh, by this time next year, he should be a millionaire. Rita says he asks her to invest a lot of money. 100K. 50 to 100 to be exact. Rita makes $225 per session of housekeeping.

So that's a lot of money for her. But she wants a better life. She grew up poor and never had much of an opportunity. Ken and Becker are the closest to wealth she's ever gotten. She wants this. I asked some more questions and he said, OK, we'll go with my attorney tomorrow when you get here, but the thing is it has to be cash. Rita eases the front door open

and steps onto the gray granite floor. She walks into the living room. Floor to ceiling windows show off the LA skyline. A big modern steel fireplace sits in the middle. Everything is angular and mid-century, like a Danish furniture designer redid a corporate hotel lobby. Ken and Becca are inside. When she arrives, something strange is happening.

Becca, or 511 of her lithe, Kendall Jenner-like form, is doing dishes. And that shocked me when I remember, like, and I said to her, why are you doing dishes? You knew I was coming today. And that shocked me when I remember, like, and I said to her, why are you doing dishes? You knew I was coming today. And then she was like, oh, I just needed a distraction.

Becca steps away from the sink, and Rita says they all sit down together and have breakfast. The view from the house is amazing. LA spread out beneath them, all the little canyons and big houses with their horizontal heft and tiny blue squares of pools. Rita almost feels like she's on a plane up here. They discuss the business.

That the launch is going to be this day and that day and what the projections were and that I should be like a millionaire by next year. According to Rita, Becca tells her her dad has invested. He pulled money out of his 401k. That's how much he believed in it. Plus two other guys Rita works with from a property management company have also invested in your sky and they're smart business people way more experienced in all of this than she is.

As far as Rita's concerned, this investment has been vetted by people she trusts. Everything sounds good. So after breakfast, she hands over the money. $60,000. In cash? Yep. Oh my goodness. Dollar bills.

Just in bands. Ken takes her cash and promises Rita her life is about to change. And it will. Just not in the way she imagined. From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is Catch Me If You Can, Episode 2, Cleaning House. I'm Natalie Robomead. We may be talking a lot about money in this series, but money represents freedom for a

lot of people. The ability to live in a nicer nursing home or not spend your days working a back-breaking job. And that's the real thing it feels like Ken wants to take from these people. Freedom. Last episode, he allegedly took money from Becca's grandfather and dad. Becca's aunt and uncle, Steve and Crystal Sable, watched as Ken convinced members of the Sable family to invest as much as $150,000 in Ken's company. It was a heart-wrenching

decision for their grandfather, who took the gamble in order to help pay for his wife's dementia care. This episode, Ken keeps weaving his web, ensnaring his housekeeper, and a beautiful blonde, with a big bite. After Rita makes her investment, she's feeling on top of the world. It's like she's struck gold. This rich couple she works for has given her a chance to change her life forever. All of a sudden, all those daily worries about money start to dissipate. She's not gonna have to worry about budgeting out

the weekly grocery shop or ordering the cheapest item on the menu or how she's going to get to work if her car breaks down for good. She's going to be able to take care of her family, stop coming home at the end of the day, smelling like bleach, skin rubbed wall from cleaning chemicals, her lower back sore from vacuuming other people's dust, no more scrubbing toilet bowls.

A few months later, Ken tells Rita that she should be getting $10,000 in dividends by the end of the year, that this venture will absolutely make it. Rita's life is on the verge of cataclysmic change. For her, her fiancee, her two dogs, it's all looking up. But over in Ohio, things are taking a turn for the worse.

A few months after the Sables invest in your sky in the fall of 2018, Steve's parents, Becca's grandparents, die within four days of each other. Steve is the executor of the estate, so he starts trying to get the lay of the land, figuring out what's what. He's drowning in all kinds of paperwork to settle his dad's accounts,

and he needs to figure out what's going on with your sky. Here's Steve Sable again. I communicated with Ken and Becca, and I was asking about the investments, and apparently they informed my dad that it switched from your sky investment into a weed farm in California. I was like, Dad would not invest in a weed farm. And if he did, he would have told me because we were so integrated with their financial situation. And I was like, dad would have definitely told me that your sky became a weed farm.

And I go, dad does not want anything to do with the weed farm, I'm sure. It's just not my dad. He's definitely not a weed farm guy. That's when the fires hit. Ken tells Steve that a series of fires have destroyed the Weed Farm. This is California after all, fires do happen.

So Steve gives Ken some more time, but no money appears. Steve keeps following up, trying to figure out what's going on. He was supposed to send out a disbursement from the We weed farm investment. Steve sends Ken a text saying, any update on the info I requested? I texted my address over a month ago. Ken replies.

And this is a voice actor reading Ken's message, by the way. Hi Steve, I checked and it will be sent from here on Wednesday. We were extremely busy these two weeks with the fires in California with protecting crops, and that was important. Then Ken writes, was sent out from the office on Friday. You should see it this week in your post. But guess what?

Steve never gets a check. And then Ken tells him, It was only going to be sent during nighttime. And then Ken said, a text message saying that it was not deliverable. I go, well, we were home during that time for this delivery. And he said, well, it'll be sent out again in another three days. So Steve waits and waits and waits. Meanwhile, Rita, the house cleaner turned friend,

doesn't know about any of this yet. Let's be honest, you've been portrayed as a monster. Yes. Evil. Monotone. What's it like to interview a killer? 48 Hours is taking you inside what we've learned about the criminal mind. This is Killer Conversation.

You can follow and listen to Killer Conversation on Tuesdays in the 48 Hours podcast feed on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Every month. Search for The Binge channel on Apple Podcasts, or head to GetTheBinge.com to subscribe today. The Binge, feed your true crime obsession. It's Thanksgiving 2018. Rita is at an outlet mall in Commerce, California, about 20 minutes southeast of LA. She's with her fiancee browsing the Black Friday deals at Nike when her phone rings. It's a southeast of LA. She's with her fiancee, browsing the Black Friday deals at Nike

when her phone rings. It's a friend of hers, one of the friends who invested in your sky. He's like, hey, have you talked to Ken? Trying to reach him, he owes me a bunch of money. Rita freaks out and texts Ken. Remember, she's given him $60,000. So I texted him and let him know, hey, what's up?

He answered me right away and he's just like, you can believe whatever you want, whatever they say pretty much, but he hasn't been keeping his end of the bargain. He's been billing me for things that he shouldn't. I'm being taken advantage of. In other words, Ken tries to turn it around on Rita's friend. But this makes Rita suspicious. She calls her friend back.

I'm like, am I fucked? You know, he's just like, still, like, no, I don't think so. He keeps telling us that he's traveling and that his money is tied up. Rita thinks maybe this is all a misunderstanding. Maybe her friend hadn't held up his end of the bargain. Still, just to be safe, she texts Ken asking for her money back.

Don't remember exactly what I said, but I tried to keep it firm, but nice. I changed my mind about all of this. You verbally told me that if at any time I wanted out, you would reimburse me my initial investment. And so I'm just asking for that back. Please, like, I don't want to have a drawn out thing, but let me know when you can pay me back. And he's like, yeah, sure.

And as soon as I get back in town, I'll have the cash for you. No worries. I understand. No hard feelings. But when Ken and Becca get back into town, Ken doesn't have a check for her. Not only that, but more than usual, something seems off with Ken. Ken was very noticeably stressed out.

He had like this issue with his eyes where he could not stop blinking. And I was like, something's wrong with your eyes, you know? And then he was in severe pain in his back. And I go, well, what happened? Like, what's wrong? You need to go to the doctor. And he's just like, oh, I can't even tell you the half,

but like everything's getting screwed up right now. And I just thought it was stress of the business, the launch. And then one morning, I woke up to a text saying, we packed up the house, everything that's left, can you just trash it? And I'm like, what? You didn't even tell me you were moving?

I just feel like they would have asked me to help them pack. Rita's confused and worried. She can feel adrenaline starting to course through her body. Like she's walking down a dark street in downtown LA at night, not sure who might be around the corner waiting to mug her. She's frightened. Why didn't they tell her they were moving? Where have Ken and Becca gone?

She texts Becca back, but Becca doesn't respond. So she calls her friend, the guy who says Ken owes him money. So I tell them, hey, they moved. I don't know where they are at. I feel like something's up because they definitely would have let me know. And like Becca didn't text me back.

And like, what's up? The friend tells her Ken and Becca's landlord, the guy who owns the modern Hollywood Hills place they've been living in, hasn't been paid rent in two months. I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, what is going on? Rita starts calling and texting Becca nonstop, trying to get to the bottom of what's going on.

I'm trying to reach out to Becca. She's not reaching out to me. Eventually, Rita would find herself standing in the parking lot of a Walmart outside of LA. She's nervous. It's been a while since her clients, Ken and Becca, suddenly moved out of their house with no notice. Rita wants to know what's going on with Becca, and with Rita's money. Becca's been flaky, hard to pin down.

Rita doesn't know whether Becca is aware that Ken is racking up debts, or if she's been lied to as well. But Rita has finally gotten Becca to agree to meet her. Rita looks left and right. And then a black Range Rover pulls up, and Becca gets out. She was really skinny. When I saw her, I was like, oh my God, like, you really need to eat.

Rita's shocked by Becca's appearance. Becca's always been skinny, but now Rita thinks she looks unhealthy. Becca comes up and gives Rita a big hug. She starts crying. Rita asks her, what's going on? Becca said, hey, you know, we're pretty broke. Like I barely have money to feed the dogs.

Through her tears, Becca tells Rita this whole thing is a big hiccup to do with Ken's immigration status. Rita thinks Becca doesn't seem like she's lying. She believes what she's saying. And Becca's physical appearance lends credence to the fact that she's going through something. I mean, Becca tells Rita she's surviving off one chocolate bar a day.

I was like, I'll bring you food. I meal prep once a week. I'll bring you guys food. That's just who Rita is. The sort of kind person who worries about people's well-being, who offers to feed someone, even if they're the wife of someone Rita's given $60,000 to, a woman still driving a Range Rover. She's like, thank you so much, but for right now,

if you could just give us back the stuff we left at the house, and I told her, sure. Rita had gone back to Ken and Becca's house after they'd moved to clear it out for them. One of the things that they left at their house was Becca's memento box. Right away, Rita could tell it was important. She texted Ken.

He told her to keep it safe and to grab the stool in the bathroom while she was at it. So now, in this parking lot at Walmart, Rita takes the stool and the memento box and hands them over to Becca, along with everything else she cleared out of the house. And Becca gives her something in return. She gave me one of her catsuit jackets.

One of the sample jackets from Becca's clothing line, shop catsuit. She made a jacket for each kind of style, sporty, posh, chic. So she gave me the sporty one. It was like a kind of like swishing material. But yeah, I guess you can call it like a bomber, a lightweight bomber cargo jacket. It's really cute.

And she said, I want to give this to you just as like a peace offering and a promise that you are going to get paid back. Rita takes the jacket and Becca gets back in her car. Rita tries to make a joke. I was like, so you but you still have your Range Rover. You know, I expect you to pull up in a pinto or something. And she laughed and she's like, no, well, the lease is paid already. So it's not like I have a payment on it or anything. And I was like, oh, it's a lease. I thought it was yours. You know, I was being sarcastic. Because much like Becca with her rented car, Rita has been keeping up appearances too, playing a part.

Becca doesn't know it yet, but Rita has a trick up her sleeve. Actually, she has three. And the way she's going to play them will make Ken realize he underestimated her. Back in the Walmart parking lot, Becca pulls out in her Range Rover. And Rita kicks into detective mode. Because Rita actually didn't come to this meeting alone. I had one of my girlfriends tag along so we could follow her. As Becca pulls out of the Walmart parking lot, Rita and her friend do too.

Their car is staying a safe distance back as they follow the Range Rover. If you were hovering overhead, you'd see the car spaced a bit as they head north on the coast. We followed her back to Marina Del Rey, and that's how I knew where she was living. Now Rita knows where they live. Information that could become useful if Ken doesn't pay her back. And it also turns out that Rita hasn't given Becca everything from the house. I didn't give her back the jewelry. I gave her everything else except the jewelry. Rita kept Becca's jewelry as collateral, just in case she needs another bargaining chip.

But most importantly of all, before she gave back the Memento box, Rita looked inside it. And she found something, a piece of paper with Ken's personal information on it. It was a declaration paper that you fill out when you travel internationally. This is such a dumb thing to leave in a box. Rita scans the customs declaration for Kenric Yanai, the Japanese guy she's been working for for the last two years, the guy she's house sat and dog sat for week in and week out, the guy who isn't actually named Kenrick Gunao. I found his real name on there.

The man Rita thought was called Kenrick Gunao actually has a different name. The first name, Kenrick, is the same, but the last name is different. On this document, his name is Kenrick Chiu Wen Long. Rita keeps reading. And she notices something else. Kenrick's nationality is not Japanese.

He's from a different country in Asia. Singapore. A small island known for its pink dolphins, banking industry, and gum free streets. A place a million miles away from the LA Rita grew up in. And 3,000 miles from Japan. When she first reads this, Rita starts shaking. Her hands grip the paper tighter. The guy she thought she knew has been using a different last name. Not only that, but he isn't even Japanese. It all starts to come into focus. This guy lied to her about two of the most important basic things about a person.

Which means he probably also lied to her about the business. Your sky. Her stomach drops. The pit in it becomes a cavernous hole. probably also lied to her about the business. Your sky. Her stomach drops. The pit in it becomes a cavernous hole. As Rita realizes, she gave $60,000 to a guy she doesn't even know. For Rita, her whole world comes crashing down.

Just a few months ago, she thought she was never going to have to clean houses again. Now all Rita cares about is getting her money back. That's why she met Becca in the parking lot. Why she offered to feed her. Why she didn't tell Becca everything she knew at that time. She was playing nice, hoping that if she kept Becca sweet, Becca would take pity on her and get Ken to pay her back. So at first, Rita keeps being nice to Becca. They stay in touch.

After I met Becca at Walmart, we were in communication maybe once a week with updates on me getting paid. She's hopeful. Okay, Ken may have lied about his name and his nationality and where they lived, but Becca's still responding. But as the weeks drag into months and no money appears,

she starts sending Becca angrier messages, revealing the stuff she found out about Ken. I sent her all these things that I found out about Ken, that he's not even Japanese, this is his real name. And Becca, in the texts I've seen, responds defensively. Though, to be clear, Becca did not respond to our inquiries for this podcast, so we don't have her point of view. Listen to this message from Becca in February 2019.

About that joke you made about Ken never stepping foot in Japan, I have photos of us in Japan together. I honestly can't make that shit up. Not only that, she's taking responsibility for Ken's failings. At the end of the day, the reason we are in this position right now is because I put everything we had into my business but was in way over my head. I screwed up. Ken did the best he could given the situation.

If you should fault anyone, it should be me. Please understand that all I wanna do is settle this with you." But in this correspondence, Becca does say something else. She asked me if Ken paid me back half of what he owes me. And I said, no, he didn't. And she's like, wow, because he told me that he did. I'm like, no, sure didn't.

Ken told Becca he'd paid Rita back half. So has Ken been lying to Becca this whole time too? Rita doesn't know, and she doesn't get a chance to ask. Then that was it. They ghosted me. And we'll see you next time. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. See app for details. Why do fintechs like Float choose Visa? As a more trusted, more secure payments network, Visa provides scale, expertise, and innovative payment solutions. Learn more at visa.ca slash fintech. So Ken and Becca are lost in the wind.

They could be anywhere. But I want to take you, and I know this is a bit of a jump, to Spain, the coastal city of Marbella. Blue sea, white houses with terracotta roofs, lots of sunburnt British people and palm trees. We're in a big apartment on vacation with a German woman we're calling Sophie and her new boyfriend.

Sophie's blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and at this point in time, she's just turned 21 years old. She's so conventionally attractive, she seems AI-generated. She's actually a student who met her boyfriend while studying abroad at Columbia University in New York. I actually met him over a dating platform. I just moved to New York to do a semester abroad at a business school there and was trying to meet new people in the city because I didn't know anyone

there. It was probably just a month after I moved there that I met him. He seemed really nice when we were messaging and he suggested that we would meet for dinner. On that first date, he was a little strange. He didn't really hold eye contact much. He was kind of looking around a lot, so that threw me off at first. I was trying to make sense of him. He was also kind of always scanning his surroundings and he felt a bit socially awkward. But then as the conversation went on, he told me more about himself.

He said that he was working for Google as a programmer. He said that he started programming at the very young age, at five years old. So that was really impressive to me because I actually love nerds and I like smart people. So for me, that kind of made sense of his behavior because sometimes people like that can be socially awkward. And later he also told me that he was autistic. So he was talking a lot about that such that he was like

an ethical hacker also. These people who do things that are beneficial. So it's not like hacking to steal people's money, but trying to, for example, expose data breaches or expose other things. So it's actually someone who is, yeah, ethical hacking. Sophie's really into all of this. She's super interested in tech

and likes to be around people she can learn from. This guy seems like someone she can learn a lot from, especially when it comes to cryptocurrency. He's a big crypto investor and she's into it too. I had actually been in crypto for a while back then because my first relationship, my first boyfriend when I was 18 years old, he was very big in crypto. And he was the one who pushed me and said, look, you should definitely buy Bitcoin. You should definitely get those like large,

more established currencies. And so I started investing in that, like Bitcoin and Ethereum when I was like very young, like 18 years old. And I made some money with that. A good amount that made me more financially independent from my parents also. Sophie grew up pretty well off, but try not to hold that against her. She's got more get up and go than a lot of people in her situation.

If I needed anything, my parents would support me, but I'm also someone that I've wanted to be financially independent from an early age. I didn't want to ask my parents for things. They're kind of very frugal people. So they would never support any luxury purchases. So that's why I was very motivated to start with this like social media influencing stuff. Sophie actually started making money quite young, using her good looks in a way very over time. I started doing Instagram and kind of like even food content

was probably one of the first things I did. And then I started getting gifts from different brands and promoting those like candles or whatever. And so I did that pretty early on just to kind of have my own source of income. At some point I created like online shops where I was selling stuff. And she was successful at it. I was really funding, I'd say, 90% of my life. So I was just myself. Now this guy seems like someone with overlapping interests who could help her take her life

to the next level. I'm also vegetarian, love animals. He would mention that he has a farm and he has his horses and I love riding. I've done that my whole life. And he would talk about that he wants to set up an animal rescue of all these things So he was saying all the right things that are exactly my interest It seemed like this was the perfect guy because he and I had exactly the same vision for the future I also wanted to have a farm at some point. So I was like, okay perfect. This is the one for me They've been having fun jet- jet setting and traveling the world.

He recently paid for them to take a birthday trip to Tulum. He met Sophie's parents for the first time over Christmas and they spent New Year's at a luxurious Alpine resort. And now they're in Marbella, soaking up some winter sunshine. Sophie's doing her classes online and her boyfriend's working remotely in this gorgeous apartment.

But on one of these sunny days in Marbella, something terrible happens. He was going out and I gave him my card, I think for some grocery shopping and he was also supposed to get some cash from the ATM for me. And so I gave him this card, he went out and I mean he came back. He was completely distraught He said you don't believe what just happened. I got robbed. Her boyfriend just got robbed of 500 euros in cash Sophie freaks out. I'm like shouldn't we file a report for these guys like you just got robbed You should definitely go to the police or something. But her boyfriend doesn't want to.

She lets it go. But internally, something within me just started to become suspicious. Something felt off. Now that she thinks about it, her boyfriend seems to have a lot of bad luck. This robbery isn't the first thing that's gone wrong. There've been some credit card issues

and lawyer mishaps, stuff she's dismissed. But now Sophie wants to find out what's going on. And she figures that the answer might be in his phone. So then I started to pay closer attention to his passcode and I was trying to see what his passcode was. In general, he was very protective of his phone and his laptop. He would always take them with him, even in the shower. It was quite hard for me to get a moment.

I was trying for a while and then there was one point and this was all my bare where he did leave his phone out when he was going to the shower. And then I went on his phone. I was like, well, what can I do? What's the most useful thing I can do? So I just go to his messages. And in general, I see a lot of girls on his phone. I see a lot of girls that he met on the same dating app that he was talking to at the same time. So at this point, I'm already disappointed. I'm already like, oh, what a pig, kind of. Like, he pretended to me that he was never really going on dates. He pretended actually that this was the first time that he had used this app. It was the first date he had.

He has like really no girlfriends. He had like one years ago. And so now I see him talking to all of like 20 different girls' contacts. So I'm already at this point like, okay, he's not who he is. At least in this sense. He's definitely lying about something around him. So I'm already like mad in a way.

And I just start searching up terms. I start searching up terms like crypto, money, something like that. And then there was a message that popped up and said, why don't you give me my money back? So I go on this chat and it's with some girl. And I read through this chat and there was just a couple sentences that said, I know you're not working for Google, I know this is fake, you need to pay me back now. Something along those lines.

And I think in that moment, my heart just dropped because I was like, Oh my God, is this true? Like, is this real? And so I just go on the contact, I take a picture of the number of this person, and I put his phone back.

He's still in the shower, and I go outside for a walk, and I message that person. I say, hey, do you have time to talk? And talk they would. Because in case you haven't guessed it yet, Sophie's new boyfriend is Ken Yenai, or Ken Chiuen Long. And now Sophie is about to connect the dots on Ken's alleged crimes in a way no one else has and finally get law enforcement on the case. Next time on Catch Me If You Can. I'm gonna manipulate him back. So I actually pretended to

still like him. The police had like plans to set up. He gets thrown to the ground like this whole dramatic arrest. He keeps yelling out, what did I do? He keeps yelling out, what did I do? What did I do? He gets arrested again by the police in Switzerland. He said he was in Switzerland and he started saying, I'm going to go to Sicily, maybe I can come find you. Catch me if you can.

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It's written and hosted by me, Natalie Robomed, and executive produced by myself and Vanessa Grigoriades. Our senior producer is Abhikar Adan. Our producer is Julia K. Saline. Our story editor is Michael Canyon-Meyer. And our assistant editor is Emma Siminoff. We had help from Blake Rook and Lily Houston-Smith, who managed the production.

Sound design, mix, and engineering by Mark McAdam. Voice acting for Ken by E.Win Lye Tremuhin. Becca by Lily Houston Smith. And Sophie by Madison Lannesey. The executive producers at Sony Music Entertainment are Catherine St. Louis and Jonathan Hirsch. Josh Dean, Adam Hoff, and Matt Schaer at Campside Media, and Michael Hirschhorn at Ish Entertainment.

Thanks to Jess Antonini, Joe Mancino, and Reagan Graham. And thanks to Campside's operations team, Doug Slaywin, Ashley Warren, and Sabina Mara. And thank you for listening.