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Episode Date: September 7, 2026

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The Binge. When Quenetta told you, me about the killing of Michael Giles, I felt like we were getting closer to what had happened, to what she did, and to who she was. But I kept circling back to the same question. Why? I didn't accept the prosecution's theory, that Quenetta was an evil mastermind, some diabolical manipulator, that she had planned Michael Giles' murder well in advance. I thought she and Michael Giles probably did have an altercation the night of his murder, and she had, for many years, repeated the same thing. During that altercation, he sexually

assaulted her with his gun. After that, though, she laid out for me such a strange series of events. She said she calmed Michael Giles down. She gave him a bowl of vanilla ice cream and some Benadryl. She soothed him, offered him a massage, took his gun, put it to his skull, and then shot him, point blank. I kept asking her versions of the same question. What was going through your head then? I was scared. I was scared and I was angry.

And I remember my lawyer said, never admit you're angry. Do you think that your reaction to him in that moment was not just your reaction to him in that moment, but to... Looking back on it now and thinking about things that have happened, I just was unsunged. No more.

I'm tired. No. You're not going to do this? No. And I think it was more than me and him in that room that day. The ghost of Tracy's past, that's what I call them. The things that have happened to me in the past were in that room with us. I wanted to find those ghosts.

So, soon after our meeting, I went looking for them. I wasn't sure what I would uncover. But I thought that if I went backward, in Quinella's life, I might have some chance at understanding the here and now. From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is what she buried. I'm Justine Vanderlund. Episode 6. Ghosts of Treesie's Past.

One of my main interests, when I report on women in prison, is how common abuse histories are. Some studies have found that up to 94% of women in prison were sexually or physically abused before they ended up behind bars. My own work has focused on women who are in prison because they reacted to abuse or assault. From the first time Quenetta contacted me, she was talking about this. What I read in academic reports and found in my research for my book on reasonable women, she saw it all around her. Everyone she met in prison had their own story of abuse, even if some of them couldn't or wouldn't see it. One of Quenetta's neighbors in solitary once casually mentioned that her grandfather had sex with her, starting when she was 13.

Quenetta tried to break it to the neighbor. You were raped. No, the neighbor said. He was making sure I didn't have a bad first experience. I knew it was wrong. I still did it every time. For Quenetta, it was easy to talk about what had happened to other people. But early on, she wrote to me,

The stigma and shame of allowing myself to continually accept abusive behavior is stronger than the shame of being a convicted murderer. I'm not too eager, she wrote, to tell my most shameful experiences. I wonder how many more are like me. Over time, Quenetta opened up about those shameful experiences. Events that had, in part, defined her life, set it on its course. and she almost always circled back to a handful of men, her ghosts. You want to go from where we met or what?

Yes, please. That's Antonio Harris, or Tony, Quenetta's first husband. Okay, I met Quenetta on the east side of Detroit. I was in college, my first year, something like that. So it was either 89 or 90. And I met her at them all. Quenetta got his number and called him later that night. And said, hey, you want to talk?

You want to go out? Something like that? So I went out with her and started dating her. They were just having fun. Nothing serious. Then, Tony decided to join the Air Force. So she was like, you're not going to just leave me here and all this other stuff. And so I thought about it and then I said, okay.

So I married her. Just like that. It was the same story. I had heard from Quenetta and her mom, Roberta, that the marriage was hasty, maybe not fully thought through. I was young and dumb. Exactly the words Quenetta had used to describe herself back then. Let's explain this as a young dope person.

Okay, so you're in the military. Yeah, you're not making much money. And you got to stay in the dorms or the barracks. So somebody said, hey, I want to marry you. And you've been girlfriend and boyfriend, and you say, well, let me weigh the odds. You don't have to stay in the dorms. You get housing allowance and all this other stuff.

And I was like, well, that sounds pretty good. And so that's why I pretty much did. So a marriage got Quenetta out of Detroit and Tony out of the barracks. But beyond that, it didn't offer either of them anything too positive. They were stationed in California, where the marriage started to go bad. And then they moved to a base in England, where it got worse. I was in the special ops squad at the time. I wasn't special ops myself, but I worked on the aircraft for special ops.

So we were gone, like, I would say, 100, probably close to 120 days a year. Quenetta had their son by then. She was alone, just 21 in a foreign country with her baby, and a husband who was gone for a third of the year. That was why a tight-knit group of Black Air Force members started checking on her. So this is kind of how Quinetta met Michael Giles. Michael Giles did not have a family or anything, but he always was really fired of Quenetta. Quenetta never really knew how to characterize the start of the relationship with Michael Giles.

Was his only interest in seducing her? Or had he been a nice guy? someone who really cared for her and helped her. Had they been friends? Or all of the above? No matter what, Michael Giles was, inarguably there for Quenetta, which she needed as her marriage deteriorated. The end was messy.

Quenetta and Tony, it's fair to say, did not have great conflict management skills. I have encounters with Quenetta. The one that made me say I wanted to divorce her was when she cut up all my clothes and set them on fire in my house. I'm laying in the bed, and she comes upstairs and says your clothes are on fire. It lays next to me, and I'm thinking in my mind, she's not that crazy. The next thing I know is the smoke alarm went off.

And so I went downstairs and shrizzar. enough, my clothes are on fire. And so I went to work the next day because I didn't have a uniform. I had to go in my regular clothes. With my head down, embarrassed, pretty much pride. After that, Tony and Quenetta ended up having at least two major altercations. She told me that in one instance, Tony's relatives came to visit and jumped on her, fought her.

Tony remembered the fight involving his. family, but he said it was verbal, never physical. Quenetta has called Tony abusive. He's denied ever hurting her, but he said that she did have a bruised finger from grabbing at him once as he was angrily trying to leave. They decided to finally call it quits. Tony asked the Air Force to pay for Quenetta to go home immediately, back to Detroit. The Air Force refused and said they'd need to wait. So Tony requested that Quenetta at least move into temporary on base housing. With Quenade in the new housing,

Michael Giles became more forward. He approached Tony. He's like, you mind if I talk to her? You don't like talk to her, like go with her or whatever. And I told him, I don't give her dang what you do with her because the only should keep her out of my life. And that was basically the story, the last time I talked to him about it too.

So Tony thought he was more or less done with Quenetta. Except Quenetta never did go gently. Now, she was stressed, separated, stuck in temporary housing, and far from home. So Quenetta did what, it seems, became her habit whenever she was in a tough spot.

According to Tony, she came up with a scam. I guess she met up with guys at the club and stuff like that, and she took a bunch of guys' checks and she cashed them all. And so all these guys on payday is looking for their check. Of course, these were just suspicions.

As usual, no proof. So the commander, again, brings me in his office. Well, what do you think we should do about this? Because this is your dependent. And my only thing I can say to them was, you turned down my early return to the defendant. And he approved it. Quenetta got her ticket home.

After that, Tony didn't want to know about her. Then again, it seemed like he never had. I never really discussed her child, really, telling the truth. Or she never really opened up a lot. Let's put it out. They were married for six years, and they had a son. But Tony's take on Quenetta remained pretty vague. But, like, I mean, you were married to her.

So what was she like as a person, I guess, at that time at least? Did you have an impression of her? Like, did you love her? I would say, yes. I mean, if you leave with somebody that long, you do. The marriage to Tony had offered Quenetta a chance to lead a conventional middle-class life. And it didn't pan out. So it was back to her old neighborhood, where she found a new man who would soon become a new ghost.

She was going with this guy's name was Al. And Allen apparently didn't have a job, but he had money. I'm pretty sure he was a drug at the time. And so I'm pretty sure that's how she got her money. In Toronto, every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025. Find your rhythm across a seamless 33-inch display and an immersive 19-speaker AKG surround audio system. This city demands agility and optic delivers with precision to make every drive extraordinary.

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You all smoke marijuana? I don't. I don't smoke, but I got a lot of friends to do, so I mean, you know what? This is Al, Quenetta's second husband. That's nice of you. Is it legal here? Oh, it's legal. It's legal. Yeah. Oh, marijuana is legal in Detroit.

These days, Elle's on the right side of the law. See, I don't want to be in trouble. On 59. I don't want to do a day in jail. Al used to be a drug dealer. He's open about it. But his new gig is real estate. Buying homes, fixing them up, and renting them out.

For fun, he placed chess. When we met, he had a board out on the table. The pieces scattered midgame. So this is what we do. We battle with this. We gamble with it. It all tracked. Kouneta had told me that Al was a secret intellectual.

He'd hide his books to keep up his street reputation and then read political philosophy in bed next to her. She'd always liked that about him, that he was a reader. Meanwhile, Al had liked everything about Quenetta. He still did. How's she doing? I mean, as well as a person can in solitary for her.

Yes, she's strong. Al is eager to talk about his memories with Quenetta. We had such a good life. We had everything. Beautiful house, luxury cars. She had a good job. I had a good job. Once they moved in together, he wanted to provide for her as he felt she deserved.

They had a daughter. For their first Christmas as a family, Al went out and got a tree. There's a big tree. She just stared at the lights. She was probably three or four months old, staying off the life. Yeah. So we had a good life. A good life. As we talked, Al kept repeating the phrase.

Yeah, we had a good life. That's what I was trying to always tell people we had a good life. Me and Tracy really had it made. We was the envy of all our friends. Because she had everything a woman could want at that time. She had a specific-ass work shoes. There was some shoes with springs in them. And she kept her hair awesome and And I just love the girl, man. I just love her not. But even Al can admit, the good life wasn't a perfect life.

Quenetta may have had a Christmas tree, expensive shoes, and awesome hair. But her second husband, like her first husband, was gone a lot. Half the nights, he didn't come home. And the nights when he was absent, they could be preferable to those when he was present. I mean, one time, I think she cheated with,

cheating on me. So she got all dressed up. So I'm looking at it. I'm like, damn. Oh, I'm from the fuck you not. He can get after me, but you're not leaving right now. I'm fin to fuck you right now. I'm your husband.

How does she react to that? She submitted. What the fuck is she going to tell me the truth? She submitted to that shit. When Quinetta thinks of Al, she remembers him as a smart and devoted partner. She still considers him a friend. But she also remembers him as an abuser, quite a brutal one. She once wrote me, hell, I survived Al.

I could survive anything. And Al didn't entirely deny Quenetta's claims of abuse. I was waiting on some drugs to get to the chart. You know, she wanted me to take her to work or something. And I didn't take her to work. And she was pissed off about that. And I think she pushed me and I slapped her or something. Then she called the police.

I was in my neighbor's garage when they were looking for me. So they didn't ever find me that day. But yeah, that's what had happened. I didn't want to take her to work. And she was mad or something and said someone pushed me and I might have slapped her or pushed her. I don't know. I shouldn't have did it.

The police report for this incident is detailed. It says, Alan Harris struck complainant Quenetta Harris in the forehead, then grabbed a loaded 38 caliber and pointed it at her. Al then allegedly told Quenetta, don't come any closer and left the house with their daughter. When the police arrived, they observed a large lump above Quenetta's left eye.

She said she couldn't hear from her left ear. The responding officers noted that Quinetta was visibly frightened and shaking. When the officers asked if she was okay, Quenetta shook her head side to side. She said, not okay. I was on some bullshit. I probably was drinking, too. On some drinking shit. And I shouldn't have been doing here.

Let me just sit this. It felt like Al was growing agitated. He looked away from me and stared down at the chessboard, slamming the pieces into their squares. These are ponds. Okay. That's a bishop. This goes, that's a king.

Here? Just the king, it's a queen. That go right there. That's one. Yeah. Oh, look at that. That looks nice. I appreciate that.

I'll make it even. I tried getting him back on track. But just that one time? Just that one time? I mean. What? A lot of, have a, dementia of violence?

Yeah. Yeah. One time. Really? Yeah. In any case, the so-called good life, it came with violence. I had guns all over the fucking house. Yes.

I had guns in the kitchen everywhere. And she, one time she shot at me. She is shot in the ground. Okay. Did she? Hey, listen, there's a lot going on, babe. I don't want to say nothing. to make her look bad.

But this shit here, look, it was something happened. I don't know if we was arguing or something. And I came out the side door, she shot in the ground. I don't know what that was about. I don't know. Just the one time. Yeah. We really wasn't violent to each other. We was having a good life. We was excited. So it was just the one shot in the...

One shot, but it was my gun. I had guns all in the fucking house. all in the fucking house. And then you just did the one hitting. Yeah. That was kind of the deal, Quenetta and Al had. You have to navigate the violence, but you get the money. Quenada's marriage to Al marked the first time in her adult life that she was financially

comfortable. During this time, as best as I can tell, she wasn't committing any thefts or frauds. But then, in 2003, Al was arrested and charged with intent to distribute cocaine and gun possession. He was acquitted on the drug charge, but took a plea on the gun charge and got 46 months. Quenetta remembered when Al, on his way to prison, handed her his wallet and his jewelry. She was almost relieved. She wrote, I felt giddy, then guilty. But he left me with money.

He demanded, Kounetta added, that their daughter attend a private school. Even with Al locked up, she intimated, she and her kids wanted for nothing. But Al didn't remember it that way. He said he actually had no plans in place for his family if he were caught. You know, I didn't ever think I was being in trouble. Really? It feels like a high-risk profession. I'm going to tell you something, just to you.

I was good. But once Al was locked up, he realized he couldn't do much for his wife and daughter. When I was in federal prison, I had partners out here. And they tell, you know, I sent your wife, man. She ain't looking like herself. I said, well, I understand she had. She might have to pay some bills or something, you know. And Quenetta couldn't cover those bills with what Al had left behind.

A bunch of jury and stuff like that. I don't know. I had money there. It was probably money here there. It probably wasn't, probably 5,000, it wasn't no substantial amount because I never thought I would be in trouble for this shit. I told you, I was locked up, so you can only make a call. So whatever it was there, that I was there.

I had bought her a Rolex, I had Rolex. We had matching necklaces. I know she probably ponded all that shit. You know, it was just everything was just going down. Everything was going down because I wasn't there. I can't get nobody to do anything. nobody to do anything, you know. When you're going through that, you really on your own, been away. So she couldn't have, I know she had never been through that. She couldn't really

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Launch a campaign with Spotify Ads Manager. Al left a permanent mark on Quenetta. A lump, she says, above her eyebrow. His name, tattooed across her chest. And he left a mark emotionally. too. Quenetta may have sometimes despised Al, but she also had been attached to him, dependent on him. His sudden departure left her in dire straits. Al was her ghost a few times over. But then, there were the main ghosts, as I'd come to think of them. They were from long ago.

I couldn't talk to them. Some of them. Quenetta didn't know their names. names. Others, she wasn't telling. In her fifth letter to me, Quenetta told me that when she was very young, she'd been molested by a family member. Fondling, she said. She told her grandma, who simply responded, stay away from that person. Quenetta never told anyone else. It was an early lesson. Push it all down. She'd honed that technique. There was another incident, Quenetta told me about, that had done far more to shift the trajectory of her life.

When she was 12 years old, she was kidnapped and gang-raped. Quenetta hadn't talked about this incident very much in her life, but I also wasn't the first person she told it to. She told some female friends who remembered. She mentioned the rape in a social history taken while she was in police custody after her arrest. She told one of her attorneys before the trial. In Detroit, Quenetta's cousin, Princess Powell,

remembered that 12-year-old Quenetta had gone missing and something had happened to her. But Princess wasn't quite sure what. Another person close with Quenetta's family recalled that Quenetta had disappeared and she'd been found with bruises all over. The person said, Quenetta had been raped by three grown men.

Roberta, Quenetta's mom, had also told me about what happened. It started with a bike ride. I had bought her a swim bicycle. Beautiful. And it folded in two. I might have paid $300 for that bike then. Quenetta went out on the $300 Schwinn bike with a girlfriend.

Robertha remembered her pretty, bright daughter, dressed cute that day, with a little charm that said Tresi, her nickname, dangling from her belt. But Quenetta didn't return. Roberta waited for hours. No, Quenetta. Roberta started to panic.

She called for help. My uncles and cousins and them went around the area where they said that they think she was at. Robertha's family knew the area, the people in it. The men walked each block asking questions, investigating. It took at least a full day, Roberta thought, maybe longer. There was a lot of tracking in the streets to find them. what happened to her. They got word when they did release her.

We basically were around the corner. Quenetta had been held in a vacant home about a quarter mile away from Robertha's house. She was physically assaulted and sexually assaulted. Quenetta has never told me how she felt when this happened. The actual emotions that go along with this experience, they seemed to be tucked far away.

But she told me that she remembered how her mom felt. Roberta was devastated and cried a lot. Quenetta figured if she were to elaborate on what happened, it would only hurt Roberta more. It hurt, but, you know, I often tell her, you know, the love for you and the love that God has given us with you is going to overpower that stuff that they did. You know, don't claim the victory that you're on.

You're okay. get through it. And time passed. And we just didn't talk about it anymore. Do you wish you had, or do you think it was good not to? Well, if she wanted to, we could have. I didn't have a problem with it. But I don't think she wanted to. As far as I could tell, it wasn't a matter of wanting to talk about it or not. It was just that Quenetta got the message, first when she was a little kid, and then again when she was 12, that she should keep quiet and move on. One night, after the rape, she overheard her grandpa and uncle talking. They were wondering if Quenetto was going to start acting crazy.

You couldn't sleep. You were awake, and you heard them saying this? I heard them talking. I don't even remember where I was. I just remember hearing them talking. I don't remember if I was at my mother's house or my grandmother's house. but I heard them talking. And after that, I learned how to put on a mask. Everything is okay. Everything, I never talked about it.

Everything is fine. But I start writing. And I remember my mother would catch me writing stories or writing this. What is wrong with you? What were you writing? I was just writing imaginary stories. I would write stories. There's a lot of imaginary stories about people.

I don't think it was gory or anything, but it was too much. My mother used to say you're spending too much time in fantasy land in your head. Huh. So that's how. Do you remember about the stories that you were writing? Like, do you remember? I just remember that they were, I remember they were about a boy I had, a boy I made up. Back then, Quenetta and another girl walked to school together every day.

That other girl was her first real audience. When I told him to her, I counted it as, this is real. I think it was just antics of these people were doing and, you know, this and the other. And that was it. I remember it being, you know, happy, happiness. And I don't know if that was just me trying to reach for something. So Quenetta's initial foray into storytelling allowed her to connect with a friend. She could leave behind her own experiences and her own neighborhood,

a place where she had thought she was saved but had been mistaken, and she could land in a new, happy place. She also started to see, if you could tell a good story in just the right way, people would want to believe you. And then, of course, making a story gave her authority and agency. She had lost control. Now she could take it back.

She could even use her talents as a storyteller to write wrongs. She kept at it. And I got in trouble because I told the teacher, one of the teachers, my mother went up there for parent-teacher conference, and my mother said, why is this woman telling me that all you talk about is going to Hawaii with your dad? I didn't even have a relationship with my father. Quinnetta's dad, who was rarely around,

he wasn't taking her on any tropical vacation. But Quenetta could pretend. And at school, where nobody knew any better, she could present her fantasies as real. In the early days, when truth wasn't welcome, stories moved into its place. And stories became lies, which started to grow. I wanted to talk to Quenetta more about how this all might fit together,

her trauma and where it had led. I wanted to hear more from her about the ghosts of Tracy's past. I wanted to talk in person again. My producer Eric and I had always planned to make a second visit to Quenetta in Texas. It had been easy the first time around, so we didn't anticipate any issues when we made the request. Hi. Hey. I'm taping.

We had gotten a response back from TDCJ. Okay. Eric, TDCJ representatives spoke with the victim's family after the last media request was submitted. The family has protested this interview. Quinnetta Harris is now unable to be interviewed by media because of this. You can communicate with her through USPS and J-Pay. That's the email. We were beyond confused.

We'd talk to Michael Giles' family. His sister, Gwen, and his cousin, Carnita, had participated in the podcast. And they insisted, they hadn't said anything to TDCJ. They didn't know of any other family members who even could have. I'd actually had interactions with TDCJ in the past, years earlier, where they used my communications with Quenetta to pin fake charges on her. When I protested, they threatened to revoke my ability to ever talk to her. Meanwhile, she faced the possibility of more time and solitary for the

fake charges. So on some level, I was always waiting for them to do something like that again. But even if we couldn't see Quenetta, TDCJ had said I could still write to her, and Quenetta was still able to call me. So at least we could keep talking. And we did, for hours. But then, on a Saturday in March, I got an email. It had been two weeks since I'd interviewed Quenetta in person. I called Eric and read it to him. I just received permission to send you this to tell you, quote, no podcasts, no articles, no story, no nothing. I am with the drawing cooperation and can no longer communicate in any way with you or through any third party, including family and friends. I am requesting any interviews and notes pertaining to podcast be destroyed.

TDCJ has notified me I am in violation. if persists. Quenetta Harris. For five years, I'd been in contact with Quenetta. First letters, then emails, then calls, then the prison visit. And through it all, Quenetta never held back. She'd already told me. Nothing scared her, as long as she could keep writing and talking. Her attitude had always been. Bring it on, TDCJ. But this new email, the tone was totally different than anything I'd ever read before. You almost like feel like, don't you feel like she's got a gun to her head and she's like,

dear dressing? Yes. You know? I think hostage, hostage video is the vibe of that email. So what was TDCJ holding over Quenetta? What could be so powerful that she would cut me off? Quenetta had never backed down from TDCJ. And now she was submitting to their demands that she would.

withdraw from the podcast? And she was asking me, a journalist to destroy all of my materials? Years' worth of stuff. Dozens of on-the-record interviews given with full consent. And that can't be undone, and it can't be undone by the force of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice or anybody else. Right. Now, I will note one thing, which is that the Texas Department of Corrections has not actually

made this, has not, has not said this to you. Right. So. Which is also intriguing, like, they said I could continue with J-Pay and USPS. Yeah. That's the last we heard of them. So now we're hearing from them, like, through her. It's all very strange.

I mean, it's strange. It's very strange. Do we think there is zero? Like, obviously, our interview was shut down by TDCJ. Obviously, they wrote back and said, you can't do an interview her. You can only write to her. We think there is no chance that something happened like Quenetta realized she had been talking about her crime for three hours.

In other words, maybe Quenetta got spooked. Maybe. After telling me so much, she sat alone in her cell and started to spiral. This podcast wasn't going to turn out like she'd hoped. Maybe she'd gotten in too deep, exposed herself in a way that felt vulnerable and out of control. And instead of just talking to me about it, instead of actually facing the issue,

she'd reverted to her usual problem-solving technique, create a topsy-turvy scheme that throws everything into chaos. She masterminds all of that, including CDCs. part in it? You never would believe that. Who? Everyone we talked to in Dallas. Taking a step back, I realized that just because I couldn't talk to Quenetta directly,

that didn't mean my reporting was done. There was still other avenues to explore, other voices to hear. And ultimately, they would bring me as close as I would ever get to truly understanding who Quenetta was and why she'd done the things she'd. had. That's next time on the final episode of What She Buried. Don't want to wait for the next episode? You don't have to. Unlock all episodes of What She Buried early and ad-free right now by subscribing to The Binge. And it doesn't stop at What She Buried. Subscribers get a binge drop of a brand new series on the first of every month. That's all episodes all at once, all ad-free.

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