The Binge Cases: Denise Didn't Come Home - Where is Daniel Morcombe? | 7. Mr Big

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

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This episode contains graphic descriptions of child abduction, sexual assault, and murder. Please listen with care. Over the years, police had asked a number of people to complete character assessment questionnaires on Brett Peter Cowen. They sought these from those who knew him best, family members, exes. The questionnaires were used to help investigators build a psychological profile of the suspect. And judging from the answers they received, it was easy to infer the following. Brett Peter Cowan was a self-absorbed, pathological liar. He was impulsive, driven by money, and desperate for attention,

and acceptance. In other words, he was the perfect target for what was to come. For nearly eight years, Bruce and Denise Morecambe had been trapped in a living nightmare. Little did they know, it had already entered its final act. I'm Matt Angel. And from Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is Where is Daniel Morecam. Episode 7, Mr. Big.

Delivering Brett Peter Cowan to the inquest was just one part of the directive given to Detective Grant Limwood in March of 2011. He was also to engage Cowan in conversation. To get to know anything he could about Shadow Nunya Hunter, the name this man would come to be known by. That information would then be passed on to an undercover operative who would sit next to Cowan on that flight back to Perth. The operative would be playing a character named Joe Emery, but it was the final component of Linwood's orders that was, perhaps, most crucial of all. Once Cowen was excused from the inquest proceedings, the detective was to make Cowan

feel like he was officially free of the investigation into the abduction and murder of Daniel Warcom. So that moment when Linwood drove him to the airport, walked him to security and delivered that farewell, don't come back to Queensland, Brett. It was a vital, carefully crafted way of instilling the criminal with confidence. It was like a false, matey, you know, wanted him to leave feeling great. He dodged a bullet, whatever. Then it was up to Joe Emery, the undercover operative. His mission on the five-hour flight was to establish a connection with Cowan. to initiate a friendship. They became besties by the end of the flight.

For the next two weeks, Emory and Cowan were in daily communication. The covert operatives only contact in the field was his controller, John Kerry. The whole point of controllers is that they liaise with investigators. You'd never ever have anything to do with covert operatives. Grant Lynn Wood, back in Queensland,

was one of those investigators. I was in almost daily contact with John Kerry who would tell me what was happening and, you know, brief me on what's going on. My only real contribution at that point would be background info, oh, we need to know this about him, we need to know that, see if you can find out about his lifestyle, whatever, to assist them. Linwood could help them with that, because he and Cowan were still in contact.

He'd give me phone calls when, you know, the media were annoying him or whatever, which is why he's carrying my number around. Using Linwood's intel, police would place Emory and Cowan in carefully crafted situations. Every interaction would be recorded. The hope was that, as the two spent more time together, Brett would feel their bond strengthening and let something slip. Investigators were taking things one step at a time. Then, one day, Grant Lynn Wood's phone rang.

It was a detective from the Western Australia Police Force. And he more or less said to me, have I got an idea for you? Western Australia Police were riding high off their recent success with an innovative covert technique. one designed for targets with very specific personality traits and after learning everything there was to know about Brett Peter Cowan

they concluded he'd be the perfect next mark the technique it's called Mr Big the Western Australia detective laid it out for Linwood I remember thinking wow that's like a James Bond movie that's awesome it goes a little something like this a group of undercover operatives posing as gang members gently coax the suspect into what appears to be a thriving, far-reaching criminal enterprise.

The job starts small, sophisticated, low-level crimes, and then they grow. Over the course of several months, the scope of the gang's power is put on full display. They build the mark's confidence. They appeal to the suspect's desires by offering what he craves most, money, friendship, protection. and they preach the importance of trust, honesty, and loyalty. They're a brotherhood, and he, their newcomer, is an indispensable part of this enterprise. But this world, the gang, it is nothing more than a backdrop, laying the groundwork for the moment of truth. The moment the suspect is brought into a meeting with the boss, aka Mr. Big.

When I asked to people who I should talk to about what happened next in this story, the answer was always the same. Ross Barnett. During the time when the Daniel Morecam investigation came to its conclusion, I was one of two deputy commissioners in the Queensland Police. As deputy commissioner, Ross was just one peg below commissioner Bob Atkinson and one peg above, assistant commissioner Mike Condon. He oversaw the state crime command and homicide squad.

and he has a wealth of knowledge on the Mr. Big technique. It's often referred to as a Canadian technique. That's because it originated in Canada. Some say the strategy was first used over 100 years ago in Winnipeg. Others, say British Columbia, in 1965. Regardless, by the 1990s, it was being utilized in cases across the Great White North and beyond. It's essentially only used in very serious matters, usually a cult. case murder, where the investigating police have a very firm idea that they believe they know

who is responsible for a particular crime, but they are short of enough admissible evidence to make an arrest and secure a conviction. Mr. Big is designed to obtain that admissible evidence in one very specific form. In general terms, with the Mr. Big strategy, the end game is the attempt to gain the confession. The technique is elaborate. It's costly, and it's definitely confidential. There are two key objections by opponents to the Mr. Big strategy. One is that it can tend to lead to a false confession. In an operation like this where a suspect is trying to impress his fellow gang members,

the confession could be unreliable. And the second objection? That it's fundamentally unfair to the accused person because they've been duped by the police. They've been deceived. That deception, even in the name of justice, comes with risks. Defense lawyers could and often do argue that a confession was secured unfairly,

that their client was coerced. In other words, it's entrapment. This is why Mr. Bigg is prohibited in America, where it is against federal law for police to induce someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have committed. But Australia doesn't see it this way. As far as they're concerned,

the gang isn't asking anyone to commit a crime, because technically, no crime ever occurs. If they tell the suspect that they're going to steal a car, it's not being stolen, it's just being borrowed from a friendly source. If they see drugs being transferred, they're not drugs, it's just a substitute. So no offences are actually being committed, although the accused believes that they are. They're just pretending that something bad is happening when it's not.

For this reason, the High Court of Australia has declared the use of the Mr. Bigger's, strategy lawful. Still, if you want to do everything you can to guarantee a judge rules the evidence admissible, two key conditions should be met. Condition one, the confession must be voluntary. They audio and video record whatever they can, whatever they can, of their interactions with the suspect all the way through the strategy. Every car ride, every conversation, every job, the final sit-down with Mr. Big.

they capture it all, days and weeks' worth of tape. So that, when the issue comes up a trial and the accused attempts to have the confession ruled inadmissible, the police are in a position to say, here's the videotape, here's the audio tape, judge for yourself whether he or she is there voluntarily, are they under any coercion, are they there of their free will? And condition two, the confession must be verifiable.

Maybe the suspect says something only the killer would know, or something that can be backed up with further evidence. In the case of Brett Cowan, the coverts had their work cut out for them. They didn't have much evidence for verification. There was no body, no crime scene. They were rolling the dice, hoping that if Cowan did confess, it would be a confession they could somehow corroborate. It was a clear risk. One they had decided was worth taking. They just had to wait for the perfect moment.

That moment came in August of 2011, when it was decided that the inquest would resume. It had been more than four months since Brett Cowan left that Brisbane courthouse and caught that flight home to Perth. But the coroner's court decided they weren't finished with him just yet. He was going to be subpoenaed to re-attend the inquest for further questioning. The subpoena was a great opportunity for the undercover copse to initiate the final phase of the operation. They wanted us to hold off, or at least court. It's please serve him at the perfect time. They can then go, what's this all about?

You know, the timing of that was critical. The covert operatives had spent months setting the table. The subpoena was served, requesting that Cowan head back to Queensland to give further evidence. It was time for Brett Peter Cowan to meet Mr. Big. At Desjardin, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans. We've mastered made-to-measure growth and expansion advice, and we can talk your ear off about transferring your business when the time comes.

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So I flew to Western Australia. The detective from the Queensland Police Service was about to step into a world of policing he wasn't used to. The undercover world. And it was funny because I got off the plane in a suit and immediately got told, dressed down. To come to a suit and get him, throw your jeans and a t-shirt on your clown, you know. All these unshaven and, you know, dudes, it was funny. With the covert operatives in the field, Limwood spent the next few days with their controllers.

It's a part of the journey he can't say much about, but he says enough. Let's just say it wasn't. We weren't hanging around police stations. When it came time for the mission, Limwood presented two briefs, one on the general background of the eight-year investigation, and one on Brett Peter Cowan.

Everything about his life, his movements, where he'd been, what he'd done, Sandra Drummond, his alibi, you know, all those sort of things and at the end we had a summary and I said basically right place, right time but we need the body

or evidence of what happened to it and over to you guys. Linwood was brought to a hotel room, the missions control center, just a few doors down the hall from the Swan River room where the operative plane Arnold or Mr. Big was waiting. The control center

was packed with investigators and monitors. The screens displayed the live feed of hitting cameras. Every element of this meeting would be recorded. If Cowan said anything incriminating, they needed to capture his behavior, his body language, anything that might help them convince a judge and jury that this was worthy evidence. I was there as a courtesy or the lead Queensland investigator, just have a seat, watch, but they were running the show. It was so cool. Most things you see in the movies I like real policing, but this was one of the few times it kind of was. Gave me a set of headphones and we're watching.

We were watching it in real time as it happened. Brett Peter Cowan entered the suite. He took his seat on the couch. Arnold excused the others. They exchanged small talk, and then it began. One of the reasons I brought you here was, as you know, I said to you before, we've got to walk before we run, we've got to crawl before we walk. And as you probably also know, I've got a lot of people in my confines all around the country

that I pay good money to get good information from. It's a carefully choreographed conversation. Every word, every silence thought through and planned in advance. I'll be straight with you. I'm here on other business, but I've got some information through early this morning, which has kind of made me postpone all that stuff so that we can sort this out. Is there something you need to tell me or?

And bearing in mind that this whole what we do is based on respect and honesty, all right? Well, I'll tell you for you and death. Just let you stop you there before you go on. I'll let you know that I don't care what you've done. All right? I've got no qualms at all. You know, I've dealt with a lot of real bad cunts, right?

And I've had a lot of real bad cunts on my books. What they do, what they get up to, it doesn't faz them at all. All I'm looking for is loyalty, respect and honesty. And I'll pay you back as you pay me back. So go on. I was living in the area in 03 when Daniel Walken went missing. And so I've been interviewed and I was hounded for ages about that. I can guarantee I had nothing to do with Daniel Walken's disappearance.

One of my alibis... on to explain that the police had got it wrong, how he thought this was all behind him now. The audio wasn't great, so really straining to hear. I remember him denying it and denying it, and I'm thinking, oh, here we go. In the criminal world, pedophiles don't generally admit their behavior. And child murderers and rapists are absolutely reviled by other criminals. So if this was a scenario where he killed other drug dealers or something like that, you know, yeah, I did that and criminals all high five each other but to come out and admit what he'd done i just didn't think he'd do it even even if he had and then mr big says that's not what i've heard yeah look i've got some

info this morning um um basically saying those things but but that you're the one who's done it and like i said that doesn't bother me at all but what concerns me is that i need to i can sort this for you. You know, I can sort things out, I can buy your alibis, I can get rid of all that kinds of things that needs to be done. I can do, but I need to know what I need to do. You know what I mean? It's an important moment, a high-wire act. If Arnold pushes too hard, Cowan might catch on. So you saying, me, look, I had nothing to do with it, that's not what I'm being told. And that brings me in a real dilemma in a crossroad, because I want to move forward with all.

we're doing but until i can sort this out i can't because you're too hot um i'm told you there is a spainer coming for you i'll show you an email i've got propped this morning arnold crosses the room to get his laptop when i've got to talk to you man on man one-on-one um in confidence to see if i need to sort it's see how i can sort this out all right What I've got is Arnold, Shadow Hunter, ADS Brett, Peter Cowan, the main suspect in a disappearance of Daniel Walkman who went missing Queensland, 70, 2007, 2003. Arnold's source explains that, in his mind, there is no doubt Cowan is responsible. He says multiple witnesses placed him at the scene, and he points to the unaccounted for 45 minutes

and his flimsy alibi. I suggest you Google some of the info that I've provided to get more of a feeling for this matter which I've done coroner's inquests are recommencing shoreland care will again be in the spotlight if you can't sort this out then I suggest you drop them like a hot potato all right so that's that's what I've copped and that's what I've had I postponed anything I haven't postponed what's happening but I've postponed the business I have to do this morning to sit down when you want and sort this shit out all right but like I said I can't sort out what I don't

know. Yep. So look, what happened and how can I sort it out? I don't know. Like I said, all right? Honesty, trust, respect, all right? You know what your options are here, all right? And if I've got to postpone what we're going to do for a few months,

months to sort this out, I'm happy to do that for your sake, all right? Because I'm told that you're pretty loyal, you've built up a good relationship with some of the boys and they speak very highly of you. So what do I need to fix? Yeah, okay. No. Okay, I did it? No.

Yeah, I did it. Down the hall in that makeshipped surveillance room, Grant Linwood and his colleagues are floored. They've just secured their confession. But without missing a beat, the operative playing Arnold keeps going. Well, look, just leave me through the whole fucking thing and how it happens from why to go,

and then I'll think about things that we need to sort and fix. Then he opens up and he just starts to go through it. And I thought, I can't believe this. Like, he's just telling the whole story. Cowan begins to detail, moment by moment, how he abducted and murdered 13-year-old Daniel Morecam. I went up to my bus. There was a broken down bus. Yeah.

The sun bus. Broken down. And then I've seen Daniel went up and around and parked in the church car park. I've walked down and sat there I didn't talk to him at all when I got there made you just look as I was waiting for the bus The bus drove past

And that's when I said I'm going down To the shopping centre Do you want to lift Instead of taking the shopping centre I took him to a secluded spot That I knew of Went to an abandoned house Like

sort of When he started to struggle Like I was starting to pull his pants down And he said I know and started the struggle and never got to molest him or anything like that. He was panicked and I panicked and grabbed him around the throat before I knew what he was dead. Taking them outside, put it into the back of my car. Where the house is, there's a little track that goes off down there,

through a gate and there's a caravan and an old mobile sawmill running has to go like from the house 150 metres to where I. Because it's all bush and then I carried him over and threw him down the envank. I was thrown down the embankment. I went down there, and it's when I drag him through, I stripped him off, and trees and all that sort of branches and covered his body with that. His clothes I took back with me and threw him into the creek.

Arnold tells Brett Cowan what happens next. He and a couple of the boys will head to Queensland the next day. They'll retrace his steps from December. December 7, 2003, and they'll ensure no evidence remains that could come back to haunt him. Investigators had their confession, and they were more than confident that it was admissible. They'd been recording Cowen for months. It was clear that he was a willing participant, that he hadn't been coerced. But something to verify that confession would seal the deal. They needed to find Cowan's crime scene, and he was going to leave him.

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We'll see you there. And if you're not subscribed already, what are you thinking? Subscribe for extra takes and bonus goodies now. On the afternoon of Tuesday, August 9th, 2011, Ross Barnett was told by Assistant Commissioner Mike Condon that there was good news out of Perth. So all we knew was that he'd confessed and told us broadly what he'd done. But that was enough for next steps, and the mad scramble began. This is happening on the other side of the country, five hours flying time from Queensland.

Detective Grant Limwood had no time to process what he just witnessed. I'd actually take the discs, flew the red eye back. Once the confession had happened, everyone wanted to be involved. Every man, his dog was coming in. There was people everywhere. It was mind-blowing. Senior detectives wanted to keep a lid on it, but that was easier said than done.

And it was going like wildfire throughout the whole command. They wouldn't tell them what it was, but they were pulling staff from everywhere, lock and them into incident rooms, not to talk to anyone. They're all detectives, they're not stupid. Something's going on. Their main concern was the media. They had to ensure that this didn't get out.

There was many, many considerations because it's such a high profile case. There was a big concern if we went to set up a bit of a crime scene, started having a look, it would have blown it. Back in Perth, Brett Peter Cowan remained oblivious to the recorded conversation, he'd just given police.

It was highly likely that we were not going to get anything more than the confession. But the next step has to be getting him back to Queensland with the undercovers to then take them to the scene and describe it further so that we can then get a crime scene and try and then start a search, try and find anything we can find. So that's what happened. Cowan, Fitsy, and a second covert operative hopped on a flight back east to the Sunshine Coast. The moment the three men arrived, they set out to retrace Cowan's movements from that day, nearly eight years ago. They went to his old home in Birwa, where he lived with his wife, to Frank Davis's house, where he'd picked up the mulcher, to the underpass where he'd stalked Daniel, to the church parking lot where he'd parked his car, and finally, to the Glass House Mountains.

He takes them up and he does a drive to the crime scene where he said he'd murdered Daniel. The macadamia farm was tucked away in the dense forest. The structure Cowan claimed he killed Daniel and was no longer there, but he still walked them through the graphic details of what had happened. From there, they walked around the tall macadamia trees, down a small path, through the overgrowth, to an embankment. A five-foot drop, a few steps further, and Cowan told them that they were standing at the spot. was where he had left Daniel's body.

They made one more stop after that. He took the undercover officers to a bridge over a small creek, a short distance away, where he said he had thrown Daniel's clothing. The case against Cowan was only getting stronger. Police now had a site to search, and they had a second recorded confession in even greater detail than the first.

But some weren't convinced. After months of extraordinary police work by the coverts, after nearly eight years and more than 100 investigators pouring their blood, sweat, and tears into this case, were they really going to arrest and charge Cowan without any physical evidence? The problem you have is you've really only got one shot at this. If we arrest him and we don't have enough evidence

and we lose it in court, that might be the case. end of it. For the next 72 hours, undercover operatives remained in character, keeping Cowan busy under the guise of awaiting Arnold's orders. In reality, they were affording investigators the time they needed to make an official call. That call was ultimately Ross Barnett's to make. The commissioner of the time, Bob Atkinson, he was very close to the Morecambe family, so he'd excused himself from making the decision and he delegated, he said, Ross Barnett's going to make the decision. We had a meeting at police headquarters, myself, there was a couple of assistant commissioners and all of the investigation team. The reason we had that meeting is I wanted to

hear everyone's views. There are obviously only two next steps. One was to arrest him at the scene. The other suggestion being put forward by some of the senior officers was that he should not be arrested, but he should be allowed to go free while we tried to gather further evidence. including potentially a search of the site. That would mean they would let Cowan go and continue the sting on the West Coast while officials searched for any physical evidence to help corroborate Cowan's claims.

The biggest concern everyone had, though, was that we had massive floods in Queensland, and that whole area had just been smashed through the floods. So there was all this concern that, what if we go there and we find nothing because the floods have destroyed it? Ross Barnett had concerns of his own. There is no way that we could conduct a search,

covertly in that area without the media finding out. Next thing, it'd be a news helicopter, and all of a sudden some very correct speculation would start to emerge about the fact that we were potentially looking for Daniel's body. That news would sweep the airwaves. Cowan would catch on. He might go on the run, change his identity. Australia is a very big country,

and if you don't want to be found and you don't have strong ties, and you can change your appearance and change your name, you could be very hard to find. Which brought Ross to the moral duty they had to protect the public from Cowan. If he knows he's going to be arrested for a murder, he might, you know, be emboldened to commit another offence before he's court.

Obviously, that would be the worst of all worlds to have had him in our grasp and then for him to abduct rape or murder, another child would be just absolutely unconscionable. Detective Limwood stood in front of more than 30 officers and gave a presentation on Brett Cowan. He showed the photos of that six-year-old boy from Darwin. The ones police took in the hours following Cowan's brutal attack.

He highlighted the opportunistic nature of that crime, the fact that Cowan had committed the abduction and rape of that child in a matter of minutes. Linwood made his stance perfectly clear. Cowan needed to be taken into custody and charged with murder. I just stood up the front and would absolutely hand with questions by a couple of very senior officers. It was a bit harrowing for me,

and I was easily the most junior person in the room. I recall there was a little bit of reluctance from some of them, and understandably so. They'd invested heart and soul for years and years. He wasn't sure which way it would go. A number of people were quite vocal in their opposition. The opposition was led by Assistant Commissioner Mike Condon. But this wasn't his call.

Limwood's attention was on someone else. I remember Ross Barnett sitting down the back and he was just taking so many notes. As I was talking, I thought, he's writing a lot. I remember Barnett right at the end asking me, how long was that offence in Northern Territory or something like that? So I was 15 minutes, you know, okay.

And I remember thinking, I've convinced him at least. He had. Ross Barnett was back in Limwood. There was no reason to leave him at large. The decision was made. They would do it morning after next. That gave us enough time to get. get everything legally and operationally prepared to do what would become one of the most significant

arrests in the history of Queensland criminal law. Really? This case was huge. Brett Cowan was told that Arnold had taken care of everything that needed any attention. There was just one last order of business. Daniel had been carrying a silver and gold fob watch the day that he was taken. It bore a distinct three-letter inscription, the name Dam. Cowan swore he hadn't kept it.

If that was true, Arnold's concern was that it could still be out there, in the forest, at that site. The last bit of any incriminating evidence. He needed Cowan and his men to return to the area for one final sweep. If they did that and found nothing, Arnold would feel assured that they were in the clear, that nothing would ever be found. Steve and Ross were like behind a big skip bin, and Emma and I were in this little shed shack thing. Queensland detectives were set up and ready for Cowan's arrival at the Macadamia Farm. I remember seeing this massive snake skin in there, and I'm terrified of snakes,

and you're hot weather, I've got the suits on. for the look. And we're standing in this crappy little shed with all these piles of wooden and dead snake skin. And we could hear the cars coming, so we're all sitting here waiting. And then they swarm. Police! Stay there, Britt.

Stay there, mate. Stay there, mate. Stay where you are. Stay where you are. Stay where you are. Police. We all come out and were all just walking towards him. It was just, he was like a deer in headlights.

Brett Cowan, Steve Blanchol, Detective Senior Sergeant from the Homicide Unit in Brisbane, and you know Ross Hutton. Is that correct? Don't know him. You don't know him? Okay. We're investigating the abduction of murder of Daniel Malkham. Yep. Okay.

You're aware that you've been spoken to before in relation of that? Yep. I remember they did this mock arrest on the operatives, just grabbed and shone, bundled straight out. And they said to Brett, oh, who are those? And he said, I thought they were my friends. I think he knew right then and there that police officers. Like, it's just the pennies dropped. What I have to tell you is that you don't have to speak to us today, okay?

You have the right remote silent, you don't have to answer any question or make any statement. Do you understand that? He then looked like the sort of crook you see all the time. You've caught him with a stolen bike or a bit of drugs. They're just, ah, you know, cool as a cucumber. It knows he's in trouble, but not really concerned. Yeah, he's just blazee, you know, hands in his pocket. Brett was allowed to make a call.

Just to tell him that I'm under arrest. Am I? Not at this time, if you're happy to remain with us and speak with us in relation to this matter? He's just can arrest me. All right, you're under arrest for the murder of Daniel Walkman. Yeah, cool. I'm under arrest for Daniel Walkman's murder. It was a weird reaction, but that's what he does when he's caught.

He just shuts up and plays it cool. Linwood sat with Cowan in the back of the van on the way to the police station. The detective made a few feeble attempts to strike up conversation, but Cowan was done to. But Cowan was done talking. In the early years of the investigation, back when Detective Grant Linwood was just a young constable, he had told his peers that someday he was going to help solve Daniel Morecam's case, help hunt down and catch the man responsible.

Now, he had. I remember that night I did the media conference with Commissioner Atkinson, 7 o'clock that night, a police headquarters, and the place was packed. And I think national news everywhere stopped that night to take it live. It was that significant. It was that sort of a moment in Australian criminal investigation history where people were pausing live TV shows and whatever to take the feed because there was. was so significant.

Ross Barnett and his team made a calculated decision to arrest Brett Peter Cowan where they did, back at the very place where he had taken the life of an innocent 13-year-old boy. They were sending Cowan a message.

I know judges and the legal fraternity and the legal system are only interested in the legality of police procedure and the legality and the admissibility of evidence. It's got to be done the right way. They're not interested in moral equivalence or the irony of how and why certain police investigations are done. When Brett Cowan met Daniel Malkin, he set out deliberately to deceive him.

He put on a persona that was not him. He put on the persona of a nice guy offering a lift and he buried the real persona of the opportunistic child pedophile and rapist. He continued that deception until he sprung his trap and it was too late for Daniel to get out. It was only then that he revealed his true self, his evil true self. I think it's highly ironic that we did the same thing to him. That the undercover police officers set out to deceive Brett Cowen, just as he set out to deceive Daniel. They were able to deceive him and string him along until we sprung our trap and it was too late for Brett Cowan to get out.

I think that is the sweetest karma that you could imagine that the master deceiver and the master manipulator was deceived and manipulated himself. We did to him what he did to Daniel. Bruce Morkham had always been an avid gardener. In 2014, he and Denise had worked with a plant breeder to propagate a red rose in Daniel's honor. The color was important to them. It had to be just right. A red Daniel Markham Hibiscus was also bred.

They had one in their backyard. One morning, Denise found a large black and white butterfly resting on that hibiscus. She'd wonder later if there was some greater significance to that visitor, considering the call she'd be receiving later that day. For seven years and nine months, I always waited for him to come home and walk through that front door. That's why I didn't want to move for the first couple of years. But when Bob Atkinson phones. to say that Karen had been arrested for Daniel's murder

that was that was probably worse than knowing the first night that he went missing actually finding out that he was not coming home even though you know in your heart and you know in yourself that he's not coming home but it's not until someone tells you that someone's been arrested for your son's murder

and he's not going to come home Another chapter in Daniel's story was brought to a close. But for Bruce and Denise Morecam, this wasn't the end of the battles they would have to face. In a sense, this was just the beginning of coming to terms with what had happened to their son. Unlock all episodes of Where is Daniel Morkum, ad-free, right now, by subscribing to the binge podcast channel. Not only will you immediately unlock all episodes of the show, but you'll get binge access to an entire network of other great true crime and investigative podcasts. All ad-free. Plus, on the first of every month, subscribers get a binge drop of a brand-new series.

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