The Binge Cases: U R NEXT - Catch Me If You Ken I 2. Cleaning House

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Ken convinces his housekeeper to invest in a luxury rental company. Then he disappears. But she has a sharp memory, a good heart, and a box full of secrets he left behind. Binge all episodes of Cat...ch Me If You Ken, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access.  The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Listen to all episodes of Catch Me If You Can Add Free right now by subscribing to The Binge. Visit the binge channel on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page or visit getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. The Binge, feed your true crime obsession. It's a beautiful spring day in L.A. The morning dew is still heavy on grass. We're in the Hollywood Hills, a ritzie neighborhood of winding streets and epic mansions. where buses filled with tourists
Starting point is 00:00:41 stopped to gawk at celebrity homes. Rita, the house cleaner, has been tidying up Ken and Becker's home here for a while now. Rita pushes open the gate to Ken and Becker's house. She's excited because she recently got a text from Ken. He said, I have this great opportunity. Basically, he respects me and loves me as a friend
Starting point is 00:01:03 and wants to see me not work so hard and do good. but, you know, at the same time, he's not the kind of person that just hands out money. He needs people to prove that they would take a chance with him to make it big. And that's when Ken tells her about a business opportunity that's going to change her life. It's that same luxury Airbnb he would soon tell the Sables about in Ohio, the one with the name Your Sky Investments.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Ken tells her, if he lets her in on this deal, she'll never have to clean houses again. He did say things like, oh, by this time next year, you should be a millionaire. Rita says he asks her to invest a lot of money. 100K. 50 to 100, to be exact. Rita makes $225 per session of housekeeping.
Starting point is 00:01:56 So that's a lot of money for her. But she wants a better life. She grew up poor and never had much of an opportunity. Ken and Becker are the closest to wealth she's ever gotten. She wants this. I asked some more questions and he said, okay, we'll go with my attorney tomorrow when you get here. But the thing is, it has to be cash. Rita eases the front door open and steps onto the gray granite floor.
Starting point is 00:02:23 She walks into the living room. Floor to ceiling windows show off the L.A. skyline. A big, modern steel fireplace sits in the middle. Everything is angular and mid-century. Like a Danish furniture designer, reid a corporate hotel lobby. Ken and Becca are inside. When she arrives, something strange is happening. Becca, all 5-11 of her lithe, candle Jenner-like form, is doing dishes.
Starting point is 00:02:49 And that shocked to me when I remember, like, and I said to her, why are you doing dishes? You knew I was coming today. And then she was like, oh, I just needed a distraction. Becca steps away from the sink, and Rita says they all sit down together and have breakfast. The view from the house is amazing. L.A. spread out beneath them,
Starting point is 00:03:12 all the little canyons and big houses with their horizontal heft and tiny blue squares of pools. Rita almost feels like she's on a plane up here. They discuss the business. That the launch was going to be this day and that day and what the projections were and that I should be like a millionaire by next year. According to Rita,
Starting point is 00:03:37 Becca tells her her dad has invested. He pulled money out for his 401K. That's how much he believed in it. Plus, two other guys Rita works with from a property management company have also invested in your sky. And they're smart business people, way more experienced in all of this than she is.
Starting point is 00:03:56 As far as Rita's concerned, this investment has been vetted by people she trusts. Everything sounds good. So after breakfast, she hands over the money. $60,000. In cash? Yep. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Dollar bills. Just in bands. Ken takes her cash and promises Rita her life is about to change. And it will. Just not in the way she imagined. From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is Catch Me If You Can. Episode 2, Cleaning House.
Starting point is 00:04:40 I'm Natalie Robomed. We may be talking a lot about money in this series, but money represents freedom for a lot of people, the ability to live in a nicer nursing home, or not spend your days working a back-breaking job. And that's the real thing it feels like Ken wants to take from these people. Freedom. Last episode, he allegedly took money from Becca's grandfather and dad. Becca's aunt and uncle, Stephen Crystal Sable, watched as Ken convinced members of the Sable family to invest as much as $150,000 in Ken's company. It was a heart-wrenching decision for their grandfather,
Starting point is 00:05:24 who took the gamble in order to help pay for his wife's dementia care. This episode, Ken keeps weaving his web, ensnaring his housekeeper, and a beautiful blonde with a big bite. After Rita makes her investment, she's feeling on top of the world. It's like she's struck gold. This rich couple she works for has given her a chance to change her life forever. All of a sudden, all those daily warriors, about money start to dissipate.
Starting point is 00:05:56 She's not going to have to worry about budgeting out the weekly grocery shop or ordering the cheapest item on the menu, or how she's going to get to work if her car breaks down for good. She's going to be able to take care of her family. Stop coming home at the end of the day smelling like bleach, skin rubbed wool from cleaning chemicals, her lower back soar from vacuuming other people's dust, no more scrubbing toilet balls.
Starting point is 00:06:19 A few months later, Ken tells Rita that she should be getting $10,000 in dividends, by the end of the year, that this venture will absolutely make it. Rita's life is on the verge of cataclysmic change. For her, her fiancé, her two dogs, it's all looking up. But over in Ohio, things are taking a turn for the worse. A few months after the Sables invest in your sky, in the fall of 2018, Steve's parents, Becca's grandparents,
Starting point is 00:06:50 die within four days of each other. Steve is the executor of the estate, so he starts trying to get the lay of the land, figuring out what's what. He's drowning in all kinds of paperwork to settle his dad's accounts, and he needs to figure out what's going on with your sky. Here's Steve Sable again.
Starting point is 00:07:07 I communicated with Ken and Becca, and I was asking about the investments, and apparently they informed my dad that it switched from your sky investment, into a weed farm in California. I was like, Dad would not invest in a weed farm, and if he did, he would have told me
Starting point is 00:07:29 because we were so integrated with their financial situation, and I was like, dad would have definitely told me that your sky became a weed farm, and I go, dad does not want anything to do
Starting point is 00:07:46 with the weed farm, I'm sure. It's just not my dad. He's definitely not a weed farm guy. that's when the fires hit. Ken tells Steve that a series of fires have destroyed the weed farm. This is California, after all, fires do happen, so Steve gives Ken some more time. But no money appears.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Steve keeps following up, trying to figure out what's going on. He was supposed to send out a disbursement from the now weed farm investment. Steve sends Ken a text saying, any update on the info I requested? I texted my address over a month ago. Ken replies, and this is a voice actor reading Ken's message, by the way. Hi, Steve.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I checked and it will be sent from here on Wednesday. We were extremely busy these two weeks with the fires in California with protecting crops, and that was important. Then, Ken writes, was sent out from the office on Friday. You should see it this week in your post. But guess what?
Starting point is 00:08:46 Steve never gets a check. And then Ken tells him, It was only going to be sent during nighttime. And then Ken said a text message saying that it was not deliverable. I go, well, we were home during that time for this delivery. And he said, well, it'll be sent out again in another three days. So Steve waits and waits and waits. Meanwhile, Rita, the house cleaner turned friend,
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Starting point is 00:09:47 or head to Get The Binge. to subscribe today. The binge, feed your true crime obsession. It's Thanksgiving 2018. Rita is at an outlet mall in Commerce, California, about 20 minutes southeast of L.A. She's with her fiancé, browsing the Black Friday deals at Nike,
Starting point is 00:10:11 when her phone rings. It's a friend of hers, one of the friends who invested in your sky. He's like, hey, have you talked to Ken? Trying to reach him, and he owes me a bunch of money. Rita freaks out and texts Ken. Remember, she's given him $60,000.
Starting point is 00:10:28 So I texted him and let him know, hey, what's up? He answered me right away, and he's just like, you can believe whatever you want, whatever they say pretty much. But he hasn't been keeping his end of the bargain. He's been billing me for things that he shouldn't. I'm being taken advantage of. In other words, Ken tries to turn it around on Rita's friend. But this makes Rita suspicious.
Starting point is 00:10:51 she calls her friend back. I'm like, am I fucked? He's just like still like, no, I don't think so. He keeps telling us that he's traveling and that his money is tied up. Rita thinks maybe this is all a misunderstanding. Maybe her friend hadn't held up his end of the bargain. Still, just to be safe, she texts Ken asking for her money back.
Starting point is 00:11:13 I don't remember exactly what I said, but I try to keep it firm. But nice. I changed my mind about all of this. You verbally told me that if at any time I wanted out, you would reimburse me my initial investment. And so I'm just asking for that back. Please, like, I don't want to have a drawn out thing, but let me know when you can pay me back. And he's like, yeah, sure, as soon as I get back in town, I'll have the cash for you. No worries.
Starting point is 00:11:41 I understand. No hard feelings. But when Ken and Becca get back into town, Ken doesn't have a check for her. Not only that, but more than usual, something seems off with Ken. Ken was very noticeably stressed out. He had like this issue with his eyes where he could not stop blinking. And I was like, something's wrong with your eyes, you know? And then he was in severe pain in his back.
Starting point is 00:12:10 And I go, well, what happened? Like, what's wrong? You need to go to the doctor. And he's just like, oh, I can't even tell you the half. but like everything's getting screwed up right now. And I just thought it was stress of the business, the launch. And then one morning. I woke up to a text saying, we packed up the house, everything that's left, can you just trash it?
Starting point is 00:12:35 And I'm like, what? You even tell me you were moving or like I just feel like they would have asked me to help them pack. Rita's confused and worried. She can feel adrenaline starting to course through her body, like she's walking down a dark street in downtown L.A. at night, not sure who might be around the corner waiting to mug her. She's frightened. Why didn't they tell her they were moving? Where have Ken and Becca gone? She texts Becca back, but Becca doesn't respond. So she calls her friend, the guy who says Ken owes him money. So I tell him, hey, they moved. I don't know where they
Starting point is 00:13:09 are at. I feel something's up because they definitely would have let me know. And like, Becca didn't text me back and like, what's up? The friend tells her, Ken and Becca's landlord, the guy who owns the modern Hollywood Hills place they've been living in, hasn't been paid rent in two months. I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like what is going on? Rita starts calling and texting Becca nonstop, trying to get to the bottom of what's going on.
Starting point is 00:13:37 I'm trying to reach out to Becca. She's not reaching out to me. Eventually, Rita would find herself standing in the parking lot, of a Walmart outside of LA. She's nervous. It's been a while since her clients, Ken and Becca, suddenly moved out of their house with no notice. Rita wants to know what's going on with Becca
Starting point is 00:14:00 and with Rita's money. Becca's been flaky, hard to pin down. Rita doesn't know whether Becker is aware that Ken is racking up debts or if she's been lied to as well. But Rita has finally gotten Becca to agree to meet her. Rita looks left and right. And then,
Starting point is 00:14:18 A black range rover pulls up, and Becca gets out. She was really skinny. When I saw her, I was like, oh my God, like, you really need to eat. Rita's shocked by Becca's appearance. Becca's always been skinny, but now Rita thinks she looks unhealthy. Becca comes up and gives Rita a big hug. She starts crying. Rita asks her, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:14:42 Becca said, hey, you know, we're pretty broke. Like, I barely have money to feed the dogs. Through her tears, Becca tells Rita this whole thing is a big hiccup to do with Ken's immigration status. Rita thinks, Becca doesn't seem like she's lying. She believes what she's saying. And Becca's physical appearance lends credence to the fact that she's going through something. I mean, Becca tells Rita she's surviving off one chocolate bar a day. I was like, I'll bring you food.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Like, I meal prep once a week, I'll bring you guys food. That's just who Rita is. the sort of kind person who worries about people's well-being, who offers to feed someone, even if they're the wife of someone Rita's given $60,000 to, a woman still driving a range rover. She's like, thank you so much. But for right now, if you could just give us back the stuff we left at the house,
Starting point is 00:15:36 and I told her, sure. Rita had gone back to Ken and Becca's house after they'd moved, to clear it out for them. One of the things that they left at their house, It was Becca's Memento Box. Right away, Rita could tell it was important. She texted Ken. He told her to keep it safe and to grab the stool in the bathroom while she was at it.
Starting point is 00:15:56 So now, in this parking lot at Walmart, Rita takes the stool and the Memento Box and hands them over to Becca, along with everything else she cleared out of the house. And Becca gives her something in return. She gave me one of her Katsu jackets. One of the sample jackets from Becca's clothing line, Shop Katu. She made a jacket for each kind of style, sporty, pos sheet. So she gave me the sporty one. It was like a kind of like swishing material.
Starting point is 00:16:28 But yeah, I guess you can call it like a bomber, a lightweight bomber cargo jacket. It's really cute. And she said, I want to give this to you. Just as like a piece offering and a promise that you are going to get paid back. Rita takes the jacket and Becca gets back in her car. Rita tries to make a joke. I was like, so, but you still have your range rover. You know, I expect you to pull up in a pinto or something.
Starting point is 00:16:53 And she laughed and she's like, no, well, the lease is paid already. So it's not like I have a payment on it or anything. And I was like, oh, it's a lease. I thought it was yours. You know, I was being sarcastic. Because much like Becca with her rented car, Rita has been keeping up appearances too, playing a part. Becca doesn't know it yet, but Rita has a trick up her sleeve.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Actually, she has three, and the way she's going to play them will make Ken realize he underestimated her. Back in the Walmart parking lot, Becca pulls out in her range rover, and Rita kicks into detective mode. Because Rita actually didn't come to this meeting alone. I had one of my girlfriends tagged along so we could follow her. As Becca pulls out of the Walmart parking lot, Rita and her friend do too. Their car is staying a safe distance back as they feel. follow the Range Rover. If you were hovering overhead, you'd see the cars spaced a bit as they head north on the coast. We followed her back to Marina del Rey. And that's how I knew where she was
Starting point is 00:17:58 living. Now Rita knows where they live. Information that could become useful if Ken doesn't pay her back. And it also turns out that Rita hasn't given Becca everything from the house. I didn't give her back the jewelry. I gave her everything else except jewelry. Rita kept Becca's jewelry as collateral, just in case she needs another bargaining chip. But most importantly of all, before she gave back the Memento box, Rita looked inside it, and she found something, a piece of paper with Ken's personal information on it. It was a declaration paper that you fill out when you travel internationally. This is such a dumb thing to leave in a box. Rita scans the customs declaration for Kenrick Yanai, the Japanese guy she's been working for for the last two years,
Starting point is 00:18:49 the guy she's house sat and dog sat for week in and week out, the guy who isn't actually named Kenrick Yanai. I found his real name on there. The man Rita thought was called Kenrick Yanai actually has a different name. The first name, Kenrick, is the same, but the last name is different. On this document, his name is Kenrick Chu Wen Long. Rita keeps reading, and she notices something else. Kenrick's nationality is not Japanese.
Starting point is 00:19:24 He's from a different country in Asia. Singapore. A small island known for its pink dolphins, banking industry, and Gumfrey streets, a place a million miles away from the L.A. Rita grew up in, and 3,000 miles from Japan. When she first reads this, Rita starts shaking. Her hands gripped the paper tighter. The guy she thought she knew has been using a different last name.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Not only that, but he isn't even Japanese. It all starts to come into focus. This guy lied to her about two of the most important basic things about a person. Which means he probably also lied to her about the business. Your sky. Her stomach drops. The pit in it becomes a cavernous hole. As Rita realizes, she gave $60,000
Starting point is 00:20:18 to a guy she doesn't even know. For Rita, her whole world comes crashing down. Just a few months ago, she thought she was never going to have to clean houses again. Now all Rita cares about is getting her money back. That's why she met Becker in the parking lot, why she offered to feed her, why she didn't tell Becca everything she knew at that time.
Starting point is 00:20:44 She was playing nice, hoping that if she kept Becca sweet, Becca would take pity on her and get Ken to pay her back. So at first, Rita keeps being nice to Becca. They stay in touch. After I met Becca at Walmart, we were in communication maybe once a week with updates on me getting paid. She's hopeful. Okay, Ken may have lied about his name and his nationality and where they lived,
Starting point is 00:21:12 but Becca's still responding. But as the weeks drag into months and no money appears, she starts sending Becca angrier messages, revealing the stuff she found out about Ken. I sent her all these things that I found out about Ken, that he's not even Japanese, this is his real name. And Becca, in the texts I've seen, responds defensively. Though, to be clear, Becca did not respond to our inquiries for this podcast,
Starting point is 00:21:39 so we don't have her point of view. Listen to this message from Becca in February 2019. About that joke you made about Ken never stepping foot in Japan, I have photos of us in Japan together. I honestly can't make that shit up. Not only that, she's taking responsibility for Ken's failings. At the end of the day, the reason we are in this position right now is because I put everything we had into my business,
Starting point is 00:22:03 but was in way over my head. I screwed up. Ken did the best he could give in the situation. If you should fault anyone, it should be me. Please understand that all I want to do is settle this with you. But in this correspondence, Becca does say something else. She asked me if Ken paid me back half of what he owes me. And I said, no, he didn't.
Starting point is 00:22:25 And she's like, wow, because he told me that he did. I'm like, no, sure didn't. Ken told Becca he paid Rita back half. So has Ken been lying to Becca this whole time, too? Rita doesn't know, and she doesn't get a chance to ask. Then that was it. They ghosted me. New Mabelene serum lipstick. Maybe it's not just lipstick.
Starting point is 00:22:56 It's serum infused. It's lush color. Pyloronic acid and oil blend. For eight-hour plumping moisture, new Mabelene serum lipstick. Maybe it's Mabelene. So Ken and Becca are lost in the wind. They could be anywhere. But I want to take you, and I know this is a bit of a jump, to Spain.
Starting point is 00:23:17 the coastal city of Marbeia, blue sea, white houses with terracotta roofs, lots of sunburnt British people and palm trees. We're in a big apartment on vacation, with a German woman we're calling Sophie and her new boyfriend. Sophie's blonde-haired, blue-eyed, and at this point in time, she's just turned 21 years old. She's so conventionally attractive, she seems AI-generated. She's actually a student who met her boyfriend while studying abroad,
Starting point is 00:23:47 at Columbia University in New York. I actually met him over a dating platform. I just moved to New York to do a semester abroad at a business school there and was trying to meet new people in the city because I didn't know anyone there. It was probably just a month after I moved there that I met him. He seemed really nice when we were messaging and he suggested that we would meet for dinner. On that first date, he was a little strange. He didn't really hold eye contact much.
Starting point is 00:24:21 He was kind of looking around a lot, so that threw me off at first. I was trying to make sense of him. He was also kind of always scanning his surroundings, and he felt a bit socially awkward. But then as the conversation went on, he told me more about himself. He said that he was working for Google as a little. programmer. He said that he started programming at the very young age at five years old. So that was really impressive to me because I actually love nerds and I like smart people. So for me that kind of made sense of his behavior because sometimes people like that can be
Starting point is 00:25:08 socially awkward. And later he also told me that he was autistic. So he was talking lot about that such that he was like an ethical hacker also these people who do things that are beneficial so it's not like hacking to steal people's money but um trying to for example expose data breaches or expose other things so it's actually someone who is yeah ethical hacking Sophie's really into all of this. She's super interested in tech and likes to be around people she can learn from. This guy seems like someone she can learn a lot from,
Starting point is 00:25:52 especially when it comes to cryptocurrency. He's a big crypto investor, and she's into it too. I had actually been in crypto for a while back then because my first relationship, my first boyfriend when I was 18 years old, he was very big in crypto. And he was the one who pushed me and said, look, you should definitely buy Bitcoin. You should definitely get those like large,
Starting point is 00:26:20 more established currencies. And so I started investing in that, like Bitcoin and Ethereum when I was like very young, like 18 years old. And I made some money with that, a good amount that made me more financially independent from my parents also. Sophie grew up pretty well off, but try not to hold that against her. She's got more get up and go than a lot of people in her situation. If I needed anything, my parents would support me,
Starting point is 00:26:50 but I'm also someone that I've wanted to be financially independent from the early age. I didn't want to ask my parents for things. They're kind of very frugal people. So they would never support any luxury purchases. So that's why I was very motivated to start with this like social media influence.
Starting point is 00:27:12 stuff. Sophie actually started making money quite young, using her good looks in a way very of our time. I started doing Instagram and kind of like even food content was probably one of the first things I did. And then I started getting gifts from different brands and promoting those like candles or whatever. And so I did that pretty early on just to kind of have my own source of income. at some point I created like online shops where I was selling stuff and she was successful at it I was really funding I'd say 90% of my life so I was just myself now this guy seems like someone with overlapping interests who could help her take her life to the next level I'm also um vegetarian love animals and he would mention that he has a farm and he has his horses and I love riding I've done that
Starting point is 00:28:09 my whole life and he would talk about that he wants to set up an animal rescue of all these things. So he was saying all the right things that are exactly my interest. It seemed like this was the perfect guy because he and I had exactly the same vision for the future. I also wanted to have a farm at some point. So I was like, okay, perfect. This is the one for me. They've been having fun, jet setting and traveling the world. He recently paid for them to take a birthday trip to Tulum.
Starting point is 00:28:39 He met Sophie's parents for the first time over Christmas, and they spent New Year's at a luxurious Alpine resort. And now they're in Marbea, soaking up some winter sunshine. Sophie's doing her classes online, and her boyfriend's working remotely in this gorgeous apartment. But on one of these sunny days in Marbea, something terrible happens. He was going out, and I gave him my card,
Starting point is 00:29:03 I think, for some grocery shopping, and he was also supposed to get some... cash from the ATM for me. And so I gave him this card. He went out and I mean, he came back. He was completely distraught. He said, you don't believe what just happened. I got robbed. Her boyfriend just got robbed of 500 euros in cash. Sophie freaks out. I'm like, shouldn't we file a report for these guys? Like, you just got robbed. You should definitely go to the police or something. But her boyfriend doesn't want to. She lets it go. But internally, something within me just started to become suspicious.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Something felled off. Now that she thinks about it, her boyfriend seems to have a lot of bad luck. This robbery isn't the first thing that's gone wrong. There've been some credit card issues and lawyer mishaps, stuff she's dismissed. But now Sophie wants to find out what's going on. And she figures that the answer might be in his phone. So then I started to put. pay closer attention to his pass code and I was trying to see what his pass code was.
Starting point is 00:30:17 In general, he was very protective of his phone and his laptop. He would always take them with him, even in the shower. It was quite hard for me to get a moment. I was trying for a while and then there was one point and this was all my bear where he did leave his phone out when he was going into the shower. And then I went on his phone. I was like, well, what can I do? What's the most useful thing I can do? So I just go to his messages. And in general, I see a lot of girls on his phone. I see a lot of girls that he met on the same dating app that he was talking to at the same time. So at this point, I'm already disappointed. I'm already like, oh, what a pig, kind of. Like, he pretended to me that he was never really going on dates. He pretended actually that
Starting point is 00:31:19 this was the first time that he had used this app. It was the first date he had. He has, like, really, no girlfriends. He had, like, one years ago. and so now I see him talking to all of like 20 different girls contacts. So I'm already at this point like, okay, he's not who he is, at least in this sense. He's definitely lying about something around him. So I'm already like mad in a way. And I just start searching up terms. I start searching of terms like crypto, money, something like that.
Starting point is 00:31:58 And then there was a message that popped up and said, Why don't you give me my money back? So I go on this chat and it's with some girl and I read through this chat and there was just a couple sentences that said, I know you're not working for Google. I know this is fake. You need to pay me back now. Something along those lines. And I think in that moment my heart just dropped because I was like, oh my God, is this true?
Starting point is 00:32:30 Like, is this real? And so I just go on the contact. I take a picture of the number of this person. And I put his phone back. He's still in the shower and I go outside for a walk. And I message that person. I say, hey, do you have time to talk? And talk they would.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Because in case you haven't guessed it yet, Sophie's new boyfriend is Ken Yenai, or Ken Chu went long. And now Sophie is about to connect the dots on Ken's alleged crimes in a way no one else has and finally get law enforcement on the case. Next time on Catch Me If You Can. I'm going to manipulate him back, so I actually pretended to still like him. The police had like planned to set up.
Starting point is 00:33:27 He gets thrown to the ground like this whole dramatic arrest. He keeps yelling out, What did I do? He gets arrested again by the police in Switzerland. He said he was in Switzerland and he started saying, I'm going to go to Sicily. Maybe I can come find you. Unlock all episodes of Catch Me If You Can, Add Free right now, by subscribing to the Binge podcast channel.
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Starting point is 00:34:43 and executive produced by myself and Vanessa Gregoriatis. Our senior producer is Abacar Adan. Our producer is Julia Case Levine. Our story editor is Michael Canyon Meyer, and our assistant editor is Emma Semenoff. We had help from Blake Rook and Lily Houston Smith, who managed the production.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Sound design, mix, and engineering by Mark McCadham. Voice acting for Ken by E. Wynne Lai Tremuyn. Becca by Lily Houston Smith, and Sophie by Madison Lannissy. The executive producers at Sony Music Entertainment are Catherine St. Louis and Jonathan Hirsch, Josh Dean, Adam Hoff and Matt Cher at Campside Media, and Michael Hirschorn at Ish Entertainment. Thanks to Jess Antonini, Joe Mancino, and Reagan Graham, and thanks to Campsides Operations Team, Doug Slaywin, Ashley Warren, and Sabina Mara. And thank you for listening.

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