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Previously on Killer Story. A dusty missing person file was quickly turned into a murder investigation with one suspect, Tom Preston. I can't help to think, man, that he's got something to do with both of these. I was scared to death. There was no witness to the murder. I got a phone call. She just said, I know that man hurt Sabrina. It's one thing to arrest a person for murder.

Another thing entirely to prove that person is a murderer beyond a reasonable doubt. And that's where we are now. We're in court, the state of Nevada versus Thomas Lancourt Preston, Jr. Why are we here? Because Thomas Lancourt Preston Jr. Insists he's not guilty. He is not the person he's been taken for. I've got a light in my life.

The case had been entirely circumstantial, but then a call came in from a woman who claimed she was there. The night Sabrina was pushed into the Colorado River. Yeah, just her arms and legs were tied together behind her back. This is our final episode, and we're going to get to the bottom of some things, like how Sabrina ended up floating in a clear, cold river. And also, did Lindel get the revenge she was seeking? This is killer story. I'm Steve Fishman. Episode 6, perfect for television. Sabrina. Corinne. I have been listening to a new show from The Binge called Fatal Fantasy. I am obsessed.

Wait, wait, I need to know more. Tell me. Tell me everything. I will. It's a very shocking. It's this like ultra weird crime story of a murder for hire plot that, wait for it. leverage the dynamics of the underworld and underworld being a medieval fantasy game. Wait, so it's live action role playing gone wrong? Horribly wrong. And you can binge all episodes now. Oh my God, that sounds so good. I know what I'm doing on my drive home today. Search for fatal fantasy and subscribe to the binge podcast channel on Apple Podcasts or at get the binge.com. And then once you're done, you can listen to one of the over 60 true crime

and investigative podcasts, a part of the channel while you wait for the next month's drop. really need to know what happens. Selfishly, you do so that we can talk about it. So whenever you listen, search for fatal fantasy and hit subscribe to the binge to get all episodes, all at once, ad free. A note before we start, actors reenact some court proceedings. All right, let's have a trial. Nevada versus Preston starts on Valentine's Day, 1994. Yeah, the wheels of justice turned slowly. seven years since Sabrina disappeared, three years since Lindel got on the case. Today is supposed to be a day devoted to love, but no one in the courtroom is feeling much love. The prosecutor wants the jury to think about a grisly scene, about how a defenseless Sabrina met a violent end.

This is a case where a young woman was choked around the neck until she'd be. Choked until she became lifeless. Preston's team, the defense, isn't feeling much love either. Their view is that the case has been concocted for the benefit of TV viewers. A very, very disappointed in Metro, called the Police Department, allowing this program for affairs to be the tail to wag the dog of Metro. The tail wagging the dog of Metro. dog of Metro, as in Metro Police.

The attorney goes on, if not for a current affair, this poor older man would be free to support his family. Okay, let's start with this poor older man, 53-year-old Tom Preston, the defendant. Now, you know defendants don't usually testify. It opens them up to too many questions on cross-examination. But a self-confident Preston is bucking the conventional wisdom. He lumbers to the stand. He's been in jail awaiting trial for almost two years and has lost 50 pounds.

He's 300 pounds now, still in terrible health. On the stand, Preston looks comfortable. He supports a graying, shaggy, goatee, and wears business attire, a dark blue suit. He has a deep, gentle voice. He's clearly someone who believes in his powers of persuasion. As far as I can tell, the defense strategy is to paint Preston as an endearing character, likable, helpful, grandfatherly. Tom Preston, he just isn't the type to do something dastardly.

Lindell is sitting in the spectator section and she's worried. He had good defense and he had the gift of the gab and he gave his own testimony and if you were a jury member that believed him, only one of them had reasonable doubt, this guy would not have gone to jail. She means that if even one juror believes Preston's story, there won't be a guilty verdict. This is how Preston presents himself in court. First, as a selfless member of the community. I'm quoting from Preston's statements here.

I was the humanitarian of the year in Las Vegas. I saved single-handedly a bus from being hijacked. I was mascot for the cheerleaders. Everybody loved me. Then he presents himself as highly trained. He was a surgical nurse, worked in law enforcement for the district attorney. He brought along a badge to show the jury.

He worked for the U.S. Department of the Treasury as well. And he's a respected businessman. When Sabrina lived with him, he was managing sales across five states and overseeing security for an international company. All this from the comfort of a couch in his own home. So this is Preston's version of who he is. Preston also talked about his devotion to his troubled son, Tommy.

He'd raised Tommy since kindergarten, mostly on his own. But Tommy became a monster on drugs, and Preston's second wife said, it's Tommy or me, to which he's. Preston said, I couldn't bring myself to throw my son out. Preston's wife left. And Tommy was all I had. Is it really possible that this devoted father is a heartless killer? Lindel stared at Preston. I looked at him and I absolutely hated him. I looked at him and he made me feel ill. Preston tells the jury that the only reason he's in the courtroom, the only reason that the only reason

This whole thing is happening is because of a current affair. This sleezoid electric tabloid, as he refers to it, was hunting for ratings. What he was saying was that it was all about me wanting to, you know, advance my career or some bullshit like that. And he used to piss me off because he used to get my name wrong and he called me that Lindahl Marx. Next, the prosecutor gets turned with the accused. He opens with a trap. Mr. Preston, that if you had to kill Supreme Court, would you tell us in this courtroom is it? Yes, sir.

Why wouldn't I, sir? I've never lied in my life. Never? Seems to me Preston fell into the prosecutor's trap. Not to get too far ahead, but the facts may be unfriendly to Preston's view. The prosecution contends that Sabrina was strangled to death in Preston's house in the hour between 8.30 and 9.30 on the morning of September 18th. So between the time her friend Jennifer says she dropped her off at Preston's,

and the time her friend Crystal says she stopped by to pick her up for work. Where were you at that time, Mr. Preston? His response? Something we haven't heard before. Preston claims he was not at home that morning. He was at a clinic for his heart, his bad ticker, as he calls it. But that's not the version Jennifer told us, nor the version she tells the court. He claims he wasn't there that morning. Yeah, well, he was. We both know he was.

That's why me and Crystal were like, he's fucking lying. The prosecution believes the facts will convict Preston, but a murder isn't a dry math problem. The prosecution needs the jury to feel the case, and so they call Bobby Sue Sabrina's mother to testify. The prosecutor picks up a blue bag marked personal belongings. It contains Sabrina's clothes, though she was wearing when she was fished out of the river. He places the dark pants, the bra in Bobby's hands, asks her to identify them. She was so fragile and sad and just, you know, really a mess. Her hands were trembling.

They were clasped very, very tightly. And her face was barely composed. Her grief just kept breaking through. Bobby Sue regains her composure. And here's the story she tells the jury about the time she banged on Preston's door, demanding Anne. answers. It's November 1987, two months

after Sabrina disappeared. No one yet knows she's dead. One evening she shows up at Preston's home unannounced. She comes with reinforcements. Sabrina's grandmother, her aunt, her friend's Jennifer and Crystal and Crystal's mom.

Preston wasn't expecting them, but he's hospitable. He invites them in. Then he notices Jennifer and gets furious. That line bitch, he says, Jennifer leaves. Preston leads Bobby Sue and the rest of her troop to the living room, which is just a dozen or so feet from where, according to the prosecution, Sabrina was strangled. Tommy's there and sits next to his dad, but doesn't say much. Bobby Sue

comes to the point, what happened to my daughter? He just told me that he didn't know. He didn't know what happened to Sabrina. But Bobby Sue has come for some answers. Well, what's an old man like you trying to take care of a young girl like that? And he said that he just wanted to be her model agent and her friend. Cue the resume. Preston claimed experience in nursing, security, law enforcement, and now he adds he had vast theatrical experience.

That's his phrase. vast theatrical experience. He claims he'd been in the TV business, in the motion picture business. He'd owned studios. He'd been a theatrical agent, a casting agent. And Bobby Sue, he owned modeling agencies, plural. Bobby Sue's reaction on the stand?

She was not a model. She was just a kid. A lost kid. One of the things Preston didn't mention was some experience he may have had in photography. He'd been investigated in the 70s for creating and distributing pornography. Makes me think of those photos of Sabrina in lingerie.

Hmm. And then the prosecutor moves Bobby Sue to the main point of her story. Something he wants the jurors to focus on. She tells the jury of a question she put to Preston in his living room. I asked him how did he come about making a $400,000 life insurance policy on my daughter since he hadn't even known her for a month? And why did he think he could have that large sum of money on my daughter when she was only 17? Then he said, well, that she took a lot of chances,

that she rode on the back of motorcycles, and that she was daring. And he just wanted to make sure he was covered in case there was an accident or something with her. Preston had his own explanation. I said, you know, it takes a lot of money to launch somebody's career. If you're going to, you know, I don't care who it is. And I said, can't put out anything. And had you busted up in little pieces on back of somebody's motorcycle and everything is poof. That was certainly a logical, basic thing.

If you're going to have a pretty girl, you don't want to wipe out. But to Bobby Sue, Preston's explanation seems suspicious. After all, he'd only collect if Sabrina died. Facing Preston in the living room, Bobby Sue won't let it go. And I kept asking him over and over, well, how could you take such a large sum out on my daughter? And he didn't really answer me. He just talked about how beautiful she was one time, the next time what a slut she was. A grim irony.

Two weeks after Sabrina went missing, State Farm denied the application for life insurance. The insurance, if it was a motive for murder, was misguided. Bobby Seuss testimony offers the jury a different side of Preston, that sudden angry outburst at a teenager. Plus, he seemed evasive. And that insurance policy, why would he apply for insurance?

The jury has to wonder. And then the prosecution calls its key witness, the one who claims to know exactly how Sabrina's body got in the Colorado River. But is she to be believed? She does have some challenges. Like, for instance, she's an admitted liar. She will tell the court as much. I lie it on my testimony.

the part where I said I didn't know anything. The prosecution star witness is Denise Day, Tommy's girlfriend. Denise is a jailbird. She'd visited jail more than a dozen times. In fact, she was in the TV room of Mojave County Jail when she caught Lindell's segment on a current affair. The segment that reported Tom Preston was in custody. The segment which freed her to come forward.

The prosecution has a lot writing on Denise, maybe everything. In court transcripts, her testimony is cinematic. The words she speaks are emotional, dramatic. Though when I asked Lyndall, she said Denise's tone didn't match the words. She's not very comfortable with authority, so she was very, I don't know, almost robotic in her responses. She spoke like someone completely hoax. haunted. The prosecution situates the action. Denise is in Preston's home. She explained she was living

there with Tommy. One night, she says, she overheard an extraordinary conversation. Preston and his son were hatching a plan, a plan to kill Sabrina. A question from the defense attorney. What do you remember being said about the house and the fire? that he could set Sabrina on fire and catch the home on fire. Who was making the statement about catching her on fire? Big Tom. Preston has three mortgages on his house. He's in a money crunch.

He was losing his house. The prosecution moves to the events of the day Sabrina disappeared, September 18th. Preston allegedly strangled Sabrina in the morning. Denise says she and Tommy returned home in the afternoon. First thing, we walked in the door. He said Sabrina hadn't come home last night and that we needed to file a missing person's report on her,

that he didn't want to be responsible if she got in trouble. Did you file the reports in person? I told you I don't know. I don't remember. I believe we filed reports with them. Keep in mind, this case could hinge on Denise's testimony. And yet at times her memory seems iffy. At times her testimony doesn't seem coherent.

At one point, the defense attorney asks, are you on drugs now? Denise says she isn't. Here are the details, as Denise recalls them. It's evening, dark out. And Preston comes into their bedroom and asks her and Tommy a question. Mr. Preston asked us if we wanted to go to Laughlin, that he had to meet somebody,

there. Laughlin is on the Colorado River, 95 miles to the south of Las Vegas. That's a 90-minute drive minimum. Laughlin is a gambling center, second only to Vegas. Why did Denise and Tommy agreed to accompany Preston on that long drive on the spur of the moment? In court, Denise tries out a few answers. We just agreed because we like the river. We live there for a while. Or for no reason, the pleasure of a long car ride? We just agreed, you know? Yeah, we'd like to go. It was unanimous, you know, to go.

And then a third try. Denise mentions gambling as a reason. Denise was a big fan of gambling. In any case, Preston drove his Oldsmobile, and Tommy followed in his pickup truck. Denise was in the truck's passenger seat. She says she and Tommy didn't talk, apart from Tommy complaining about his dad's slow driving. Preston cruised by the Loughlin exit turned off the main road at a Budweiser sign.

It was light. There was a full moon. We drove for a ways to reach the water, and we drove along the river on a dirt road. By this time, I was wondering what was going on. Preston stopped his car. And we stopped behind him. He got out of his car and he went to the trunk. As he was opening it, he said, Tom, come help me. Tommy got out of the truck to help his dad.

And there was a girl in the trunk. And she was tied up. And then the prosecutor asks, Miss Day, what did you see happen next? I seen him pick up a girl out of the trunk. The prosecutor continues, Who pulled the girl out of the trunk? Mr. Preston and Tom started to help him.

She was hog-tied. Her hands and legs tied behind her back, and they scooped her out of the trunk. She was wearing something dark. Her head was on the defendant's side, and little Tom had her legs part, and they... Prosecutor. Was she on her back or face down? Face down. She had something on her mouth.

It looked like tape, but I wasn't sure. Miss Day, could you see the... the sex or gender of the body? She was, I could tell it was a girl. The prosecutor. Did you recognize who it was? I believe it was Sabrina Kid. Prosecutor again, why do you believe it was Sabrina Kid?

Because of a haircut. What do you mean the haircut? She had on one side of her head was, her hair was shorter on one side. The hair was what made me think it was Sabrina Kid. Prosecutor, Ms. Day, could you tell whether or not the young woman you believed to be Sabrina Kid was alive or dead? No, I didn't. I did not know if she was or not. Preston and Tommy scooped the body out of the trunk, Preston on the head, Tommy on the feet. They headed down to the rocks and to the river. They put her face down in the water and took the ropes off and pushed her down into the water.

Maybe they didn't take the current into account. The defendant pushed her out. He just pushed her, and she didn't float. She kind of, she didn't float out. She came back in. So he had to push her out further and let her go. I just, after that, I was, my mind was elsewhere. I didn't pay attention to that.

I was just praying to God. Preston denies this entire story. He denies the murder, denies disposing of the body. He says he knew Denise well and she wasn't trustworthy. She got his son into drugs. She was a thief and a liar. Preston says Denise had it in for him after he reported her for credit card fraud. And then Preston says pointedly,

If I were to kill somebody, I surely wouldn't include Denise date. in a conspiracy. It's a reasonable assertion, though cold-blooded. Who brings any outsider along to a body disposal? Was Denise really great company? In Denise's telling, Preston regretted her presence. She says he offered her $5,000 to keep quiet and also threatened to kill her if she didn't.

He threatened me and his son that the same thing would happen to us. The same thing that happened to Sabrina. Tommy was murdered the next year, just as he seemed about to confess to his best friend. Denise took that as a warning. That's why she'd initially told Detective Leonard she knew nothing. By the way, Denise says she didn't take the 5,000 from Preston. So, do we believe Denise? Denise's credibility may well determine if there's a conviction in this case.

To me, for all her flaws is a witness, her memory troubles, her checkered past. Denise told a tale of such detailed horror and told it up close and naming names. To me, it doesn't seem possible she made it all up. And yet, could Denise be so close to the crime and not involved? Here's the question I have. was Denise telling the whole truth? The next witness addresses my question directly. She claims Denise omitted key details.

This witness is called by the defense. The defense attorney asks, Who are you referring to when you said it was a planned murder by all three of them? Tom Senior, Tom Jr., and Denise Day. Question. Was that statement based upon things that Denise Day said to you? Yes, it was. This is Kathy Simmons. How does Kathy know Denise? They moved in the same circles, followed similar pants. In other words, Kathy spent time in jail, too. After Denise saw Lyndall's current affairs segment on the jailhouse TV, she supposedly opened up to her cellmate. Denise's cellmate at the time, Kathy Simmons. Preston's lawyers hope Kathy's testimony will show that the prosecution star witness, Denise, Denise's cellmate at the time, Kathy Simmons. Preston's lawyers hope Kathy's testimony will show that the prosecution star witness, Denise's

Day is a fabulous, a fancy way to say liar. If they succeed, then nothing Denise says should be taken as credible, right? That anyway, is their hope. On the stand, Kathy seems confident. She's used to conflict with authorities and isn't easily intimidated. Kathy calls Denise her dear friend at one point, though it's pretty clear she doesn't like Denise much. She moved in with all different people. She's never been real stable. Denise was selling drugs. So a drug dealer and drifter.

And Kathy adds, always on the grift. Kathy says Denise grifted Sabrina's jewelry after she disappeared. According to Kathy, after the current affairs segment aired, Denise had a crisis in the cell. She started getting hysterical and crying, for I thought no reason. And I said, what's wrong with you? And she just started talking about it.

Over time, Kathy says Denise's story evolved. In the beginning when she first started talking about it, she actually told me she wasn't so involved. But then I guess her conscience was bothering her, and she just said how she was involved. And she felt bad, and Denise was crying. According to Kathy, Denise then talks about the plot to set the house on fire and with it, Sabrina. In the middle of the conversation, she said, and I was supposed to be the one to do it.

Burn her in the house. He wanted me to burn her in the house. And I said, who? And she said, Tom, Tommy's dad. I said, oh. Why would Denise even consider doing that? Well, Kathy says Denise says Denise. told her straight out. Denise was saying that she was supposed to get 30% of the insurance money. But Denise didn't set the house on fire. She couldn't bring herself to do it. But the most important thing Kathy claims Denise told her

had to do with Sabrina's actual murder. Kathy says Denise saw much more than she told the jury. Denise had testified she didn't know if Sabrina was dead or alive in the trunk. Well, she was alive the whole way there. And when she got out, they had her mouth taped and she tried to ask Denise for a cigarette when they took her out of the trunk. That's what Denise said.

She looked at her and she tried to ask for a cigarette. And Denise said, I felt bad and I just walked away. And I stood away while they did it. Quick question. Would Sabrina hog-tied and would tape over her mouth have as her first utterance, you got a cigarette? Maybe in a David Lynch movie.

On what happened next, Kathy's version and Denise's version align up to a point. All she can remember is Sabrina coming back up out of the water, looking at her. Her eyes were still open and that that's what keeps flashing in her mind. So Preston and Tommy fished Sabrina. out of the water. Now, the two versions diverge.

He got upset because she kept floating back in and he wanted her to drown. And he snapped her windpipe. They then threw her back into the water. Kathy says Sabrina's murder is about money. Preston wants Sabrina dead

so he can collect insurance. And Denise wants in. Which apparently is where Kathy draws the line. She was a dear friend of mine, but it's got to be greedy. To do something like this, you've got to be greedy. According to Kathy's version, Denise is not just a spectator.

She's a trusted member of the inner circle, which would explain why she's allowed to witness Sabrina's body being dumped in the river. So where do I think this leaves us? Preston's defense team brought in Kathy, hoping she discredit Denise. But even if Kathy's version is 100% accurate, and who knows, what's the bottom line? In both Kathy's version and Denise's version, Preston is the murderer.

Whether he did it at River's edge or in the house, whether he did it inside of Denise or in the privacy of his own bedroom, both versions agree. Preston murdered Sabrina. And that's what's important. It's up to the jury now. The jurors will deliberate for about eight hours until 10 of one in the morning. I'm going to read what the judge said.

As I sit here and listen to you, you are very articulate. You appear to be very friendly and jovial. You look rather grandfatherly and like a nice guy. But under that facade, the jury believed and the evidence presented here shows you are an evil, heartless predator. We did jury in the above a total case by defendant Tomlin Poor Preston, aka Tomlin poor Preston, guilty of murder of the first degree.

So Preston is convicted of premeditated murder, a good outcome for a current affair. The company won't be sued now. But Lindel has more immediate concerns. Lindel, the producer, hustles down the hall. chasing Preston's lawyers for the reaction shot. There was little reaction from Tom Preston, so we asked his attorney, Roy Woffter, to comment on the verdict. Excuse me, sir?

I got... I hear it again. Kiss my... You're the instrumental part of this whole situation. My reaction to that was no thank you, and did we get that on tape? They did, and it was perfect for television. The verdict marked the end, almost, of a long journey for the characters in this story. Preston received a sentence of life without parole

and died in prison, protesting his innocence for years. After the verdict, other victims came forward with reports of sexual assault. Turned out the supposed humanitarian of the year was a serial sexual predator. For me, the big remaining question is Lindel. In a way, her involvement in this saga began with a violent attack on a porch in Australia when she was 19 years old. Getting justice for Sabrina was supposed to help her avenge that attack by proxy.

Her attacker had gotten away unpunished. Sabrina's wouldn't. And that was supposed to help heal, Lindell, to help her find emotional closure. Well, did it? I called on some experts to weigh in. I'm Ellie. I'm Lindel's daughter. I'm the youngest.

I'm 24 years old. I grew up my whole life in Sydney, Australia. I want to go to medical school, so I'm applying to that this year. I'm Molly. I am Lindell's oldest daughter. I'm 28 years old. I work in media and production, kind of following in mom's footsteps. and I train full-time as an elite CrossFit athlete.

The nerd and the athlete is the family shorthand. All three, Lyndall and her two daughters live together in Los Angeles now. We brought them into the studio. Linda and Dan broke up after seven years of marriage. She hasn't been in a serious relationship since. So, Lindel and her girls are a self-contained trio. Luckily for the girls, mom is perfect. We had home-cooked pasta salad lunches every single day with a love note from kindergarten through year 12.

Mom would drive us all around Sydney and beyond for softball tournaments every weekend. And it was all just kind of done. You know, we'd get there on time. Everything would just be sorted. Some kids rebel against parents, like Sabrina. Their heroes are outside the home, not these two. I want to start by saying that Mom is my hero. Mom is truly in every way, shape or form.

Absolutely my hero, the most incredible human on the planet. They were enthralled by her stories of journalism. Sabrina is the number one favorite. I feel like that story has been such a, a huge part of this family because I've just known that story for as long as I can remember. How many people can say that their mom solved a murder and has done all this. But for a long time, the daughters didn't know about Sabrina's connection to their mom's own experiences. The attack was Lyndall's secret. She kept it from her daughters until they were

in college. I've always been very honest and open with them both. And that we're was the one thing I had never told them. Lindel, the TV producer, produced the encounter with care. I wanted to tell them in an intimate setting. It was just the three of us. We were out of Sydney, where down south in this cute little kind of country town. I didn't want it to be anywhere that they would recognize that and combine that with this story.

She sat them down at a cafe. I remember it was really cold outside. So I remember she was wearing one of her big, beautiful coats, and she looked fabulous as she always does. Lyndall told them she had a history. They didn't know. Actually, there's a big area that's been missing that you guys don't know about. And I think things kind of started to slow down as she started telling the story.

Lindel was calm. She told them methodically. about her ex-boyfriend, about the attack, about her face, beaten to a pulp. She remained really composed. I think Molly and I were just like, wide-eyed jaw on the floor, like what is happening right now? It was just like, how dare someone do this to our mom? I was kind of upset, like, oh, I don't know this massive part of you. Ellie was crying, not Molly.

The thought of anyone hurting my mom just like makes me so furious. Since Dan, Lindel has been the plus one, which was fine with her. She knew herself. She knew she couldn't bring herself to trust men. The girls had always wondered

why their mom seemed closed to intimate partnerships. And then they found out and now they have an idea for their mom. We both advocate strongly for therapy and how much it helps. I do not. That's for a different podcast. Yeah.

We have tried to get mom into therapy. And what happens when I've spoken to someone? She thinks she's too smart for everyone because she is. But that's not the attitude. We need to have all we're going into therapy. We need to be open-minded. Even though she's such a catch, like, I think. See, did you see that face she just made when Ellie said she's such a catch?

That's the self-doubt. She is such a catch. and she doesn't realize it. And so, Lindel, how about the emotional closure that seemed promised when you jumped into the hopeless case of Sabrina Kid? It didn't give me any emotional closure, no. But what it did give Lindel was something else, maybe something more important.

Does a person really ever recover from the murder of a child or a vicious assault? Those things lurk inside. grief is endless. But Lindel did find something. Molly said it first. I think it made us become closer as a little family unit because we knew everything and we knew more about mum

and we appreciated and understood mum more than we had before. Imagine that kind of closeness. That little community, even of just three, that's where meaning and compassion. reside in healing too. In a way, it was a great relief, sharing it with the two people that mean more to me than anybody else on this planet. This is the end of our story, almost.

One last issue. There are those in our series who believe that Preston had something to do with the murder of his son, Tommy. We have new information to share. It's after the credits. please stick around. Unlock all episodes of Killer Story ad-free right now by subscribing to the binge podcast channel.

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Not on Apple. Head to getthebinge.com to access wherever you listen. Killer Story is a production of Orbit Media in association with Signal Company No. 1. Creator and host is me, Steve Fishman, executive producers are Linda Marks, Kevin Wardess, and Jonathan Hirsch from Sony Music Entertainment. Producers, Jackie Pard. Holly Hannibal and Austin Smith. Production coordinator and engineer is Austin Smith. Series consultant, Emil Klein, sound designer, Britt Spangler, fact check Ryan Alderman.

Our lawyers are at Clarice Law. Special thanks to Emily Rassick, Steve Ackerman, Catherine St. Louis, Sammy, Allison, Allison Haney, Fisher Stevens, and the glamorous Rio Julian. We also thank our agents at WME, Evan Crassick, Marissa Hurwitz, Ben Davis, and a special thanks to Shelley Chenoy for voiceover casting. Our voice actors for our final episode are Raven Dunham as Denise Day, Eva Julian as Kathy Simmons, and Lindsay Smart as Bobby Sue Mae.

And a special, special thanks to the inimitable Emil Klein. Tommy Preston is one of the saddest figures in this story. The troubled young man who loved a dad who was a psychopath. Jim and Denise thought that Tommy's father arranged for his murder once Tommy started to talk about the crime. But there's a twist. Someone else pleaded guilty to the murder. A man named Randy Waddell.

He's dead, but we do have his court papers. And what they say leads us to a mystery. Waddell took an unusual guilty plea. It's called an Alford plea. In this plea, you're not admitting guilty. to the crime, you are admitting that you'd probably be found guilty if you went to trial. Waddell took an Alfred plea to avoid facing the death penalty. But in his allocution to the judge accepting his plea,

Waddell insisted on one thing. His lawyer put it this way. My client maintains that he was not the one who killed Tommy. We'll leave you to ponder that. Have a nice day. Lindel says she's on the hunt for answers too.