The Binge Cases: Scary Terri - U R NEXT | 1. An “Internet Terrorist”

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Esther has ambitions of becoming a full-time streamer. But then she crosses paths with a dangerous online predator with one mission; to make her life hell. Want the full story? Binge every episode of... U R NEXT ad-free now by subscribing to The Binge+. You’ll unlock over 60 true crime series instantly, get early access to drops on the first of every month, and hear exclusive bonus episodes. Search for the channel on Apple Podcasts or head to GetTheBinge.com. For behind-the-scenes details, join our free newsletter at Patreon.com/TheBinge. U R NEXT is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and Novel. Follow @sonypodcasts and discover more at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices at podcastchoices.com/adchoices. The Binge — feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:07 where someone is after you, but you can't get away, you're stuck, running through water that's up to your neck and rising. Grace has. I woke up to a phone call.
Starting point is 00:01:28 I want to say it was 4 o'clock in the morning. Only when Grace wakes up, the bad dream doesn't stop. It was a woman's voice and she asked me, Are you okay? Grace isn't her real name. We've changed it for her protection.
Starting point is 00:01:47 From the waking nightmare who's targeting her, and her daughter, Esther. His aim is to terrify them, and he'll stop at nothing. It's late 2014. In a quiet American street lined with brick houses either side, softball pitch around one corner, an elementary school round another, most of the residents are fast asleep, apart from Grace. Who the hell is? calling her at 4 in the morning to ask if she's okay. She said, my name is so-and-so from the police department and the police are on their way.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Is your boyfriend in the house with you? And I said, yes, he's right next to me. And she goes, are all the kids okay? Down the hall, Grace's daughter Esther and her siblings are fast asleep. They're safe, aren't they? it was starting to escalate and make me nervous. And then she asked me, are there any guns in the house? And I said, yes, should we go get them?
Starting point is 00:02:57 The officer on the other end of the line tries to calm Grace down. No, no, but I need you to stay on the phone with me. And we need you and your boyfriend to come outside with your hands up. Obviously, my heart's racing at this point. It really scared me. A terrified Grace shakes her partner awake. As they walk together through their deathly silent house, Grace catches movement in the corner of her eye.
Starting point is 00:03:29 We have a big front window in our house, and I'm just looking out the window. And I see a shadow of a person running across a house, like across the street from us. There's somebody outside. Grace's breath catches in her chest. She's almost at her front door, but she feels paralyzed. She tries to get control of herself, but she can't think straight.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Her legs are like jelly, her heart is beating almost through her chest. She slowly opens the front door with shaking hands and then raises them high above her head. We get big, bright lights in our face and we have guns pointed. at us. The police have the house surrounded. This is a story about a prolific online predator who targeted Grace's family and countless others. An internet terrorist. That's the best thing to describe him as. Whose crimes would span across the United States.
Starting point is 00:04:46 San Joaquin Sheriff's Office, Jackson County Sheriff's Office of Missouri, Racing Police Department of Wisconsin, and beyond. Waterloo Regional Police in Canada. A story about someone whose online actions crossed over into real-world danger. He was doing malicious things intentionally to harm people. I could be next. But most of all, this is a story about the brave people who came together to fight back. If I find out how he's doing it, I can stop it. Nobody's going to get away with anything. Once we got started, we never stopped. You want to motivate me, tell me I can't get you. Tell me I can't find you. Tell me that. From Sony Music Entertainment and Novel, this is you.
Starting point is 00:05:32 are next. I'm Lee Alexander. This is episode one, an internet terrorist. Long before Grace had to worry about her local police department storming into her home or about online predators, she was just a regular mom, worrying about her kids, especially her daughter Esther. She was suffering with anxiety, and I think a lot of that was internal and she didn't really share outwardly that that was going on. Esther is not her real name, and she's asked for her words to be spoken by an actor. I think a lot of my view of myself
Starting point is 00:06:39 when I was younger was very warped by, like, insecurity. Just a very, very sad little child. Very worried about what the world thought of her and whether she was good enough. I felt like an alien. I was like, nobody else feels things the way that I feel them. In 2014, a 16-year-old Esther is having a really tough year. Her parents have just divorced, which she's actually relieved about.
Starting point is 00:07:11 At least now, she doesn't have to handle the tension at home whenever her dad is there. But it's still a lot of change to deal with for someone so young. She's also struggling with school. At one point, she was out of classes for months. When I came back, I was super behind. I was kind of getting what I didn't know at the time were the beginning of panic attacks. But were definitely panic attacks.
Starting point is 00:07:41 The only time that I felt okay was when I was asleep. I didn't want to wake up. I didn't want to be here. I couldn't see myself going to college. I couldn't see myself doing anything. I just felt so hopeless. Because I was like, I want to be. to have a dream, but I just don't see it.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Grace is slowly watching her daughter disappear into her own personal darkness. I think she felt depressed and withdrawn, so there was a lot of anxiousness and trepidation around that. But there's the faintest glimmer making its way through that darkness. Like a single star in a black velvet sky. It's distant, light years away, but it's not. there and it's shining. That's when she found gaming kind of as that social outlet. Esther being such an introvert, especially one who's struggling with anxiety, spends a lot
Starting point is 00:08:42 of time at home. Hour after hour she watches on as her big brother plays video games. It was like watching a movie that my brother kind of had influence on. And I just thought that was so cool. At some point he got busy or you got bored or he was. just stopped playing as much. I wanted to watch him, and he wouldn't do it. So I just started playing the games that I wanted to watch and play.
Starting point is 00:09:06 And then I got into gaming a lot. And then once I started playing, I just got absolutely immersed in it. Esther starts spending hours playing games online. She talks to other gamers over a headset while she plays, which is a mixed bag. There wasn't a lot of girls doing it at the time. Before I had a webcam, I would just pretend to be a boy, like a little squeaker, because they would be nicer to me if they thought I was a little boy
Starting point is 00:09:38 than if they thought I was a girl. Because if I was a girl, it's just you hear, make me a sandwich, get back in the kitchen, all the same stuff over and over. I think it's boring. Esther doesn't let these extremely unoriginal and boring jokes push her away. She keeps gaming, hour after hour, building up her skills. Before long, she's dropped the squeaker alias and she's playing. as herself. And she's winning. For whatever reason, she excelled in this male-dominated arena. She can pretty much show up anybody. I think gaming was a place where she felt powerful. I kept up with the boys, and they seemed a little bit embarrassed about it. Like, this little girl just kicked their butt. It felt like I was kind of turning something that I had always been into a good thing
Starting point is 00:10:31 of feeling like the outcast, feeling like I don't belong and making myself belong and being like, the boys don't want me here, but I'm going to be here anyways. That felt really good. That was a pivotal moment for me
Starting point is 00:10:45 and I was like, okay, okay, maybe I could do something with this. That is when I started making videos. Esther was on to something because now millions of people all around the world are spending hours watching their favorite gamers
Starting point is 00:11:02 on live stream. The biggest platform is Twitch. In 2014, it has more than 50 million users, half of them spending up to three hours a day on there, collectively watching 12 billion minutes of content every month. It's transformed gaming into something that was just a hobby, into a career opportunity. If you're good enough at your favorite game and engaging enough on camera to captivate an audience while you play it, then you can make some serious cash. But for the moment, Esther's just starting out. I'd made my own little logo for myself
Starting point is 00:11:41 and created my own alias online, and I was on Twitter getting into the gaming community. It was very active. One day, Esther is scrolling through Twitter. In amongst all the memes, gaming gossip, and that one photo Ellen DeGeneres took at the Oscars that everyone lost their damn minds over, she gets a message.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Someone that I was mutual with in the community. Hey, I know that you're really good with words and my friend is really struggling with depression right now. Do you think you can talk to him? And I was like, yeah, absolutely, of course. So he sends me his Twitter and I started DMing him. I think he had like a black and white photo or something. It wasn't of him.
Starting point is 00:12:27 It was like a character of some kind. So I had no idea what he looked like. It was very, very common, especially in the gaming community, to just have your logo as your profile picture or like a character from an anime or whatever. Like a lot of people didn't have their faces. I didn't see it as a red flag. The two of them exchanged some messages back and forth. I could just tell that he was really, really struggling.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Just generally, depression, I think, and not trusting people. Low self-confidence. He told me that he was having a hard time. communicating through text. Like, it was too much to say through text. So we would just talk on Skype. That, again, is very normal. When you would game with people, you would get on Skype and, like, game together and talk.
Starting point is 00:13:16 He still doesn't show his face a lot while they're talking on Skype. On the rare occasions that he does, he cuts a pale kind of heavy set figure with brown hair past his shoulders. But he usually has his camera off, so most of the time, Esther can only he can only hear his voice. She doesn't know that much about him. She knows he's around the same age as her, a teenager. He tells her he's having a hard time at home. He's struggling to make friends, that he doesn't feel like anybody cares about him. And that's about it. But again, it doesn't feel that out of the ordinary. It wasn't so long ago that Esther was pretending to be a little squeaker herself
Starting point is 00:13:53 online, so a bit of anonymity is no big deal amongst friends. We gamed. And trusted him. Plus, she's nearly always an earshot of her mom, Grace. She was always out in the living room with that, so I could always hear what everyone was saying and what they were doing and how they were talking to each other. You could tell it was a bunch of people talking smack to one another. I didn't feel like it was a volatile thing. I didn't realize, too, that there was a lot more computer online stuff,
Starting point is 00:14:24 like she had her laptop in her room. That was me being totally naive. Esther and her friend game together pretty often hanging out on Skype while they play in between they message each other on Twitter Then he developed feelings for me
Starting point is 00:14:42 he asked me to be his online girlfriend Esther's heart sinks she's not ready for any kind of online relationship especially not with someone whose face she's barely seen she tries to let him down
Starting point is 00:14:57 as gently as possible I really hope that you don't take this the wrong way and that this doesn't change your friendship at all because I value our friendship a lot and I love playing with you. I love being your friend. Please still be my friend. Please don't let this ruin things. And sorry, I don't feel that way, but like I value you and I love you as a friend. Like, please, let's keep being friends. Esther holds her breath, hoping she's done enough to spare his feelings and save their friendship. But as soon as I had rejected him, It was hostile immediately.
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Starting point is 00:19:18 from him start pouring in. I don't know how many messages a day. Not a ton to start off with, but it's every day. He's being threatening, hostile. I'm not responding to his messages. I'm going to let this die down. He's just upset right now.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Maybe he's going to calm down and it'll be fine. I didn't tell my mom about it because I was like, okay, I can deal with this on my own. There was this day when a random pizza showed up. And I was like, I didn't order this. I asked my family, did you order this? No one else ordered it. And the guy's like, well, it's paid for so I can't take it back. And I was like, oh, okay. I thought it was odd. And then he messaged me somewhere, Skype or on something. And he was like, are you enjoying the pizza?
Starting point is 00:20:16 Oh, that's really creepy. I had never given him my address. I was scared. And yes, I did think, okay, I should probably like tell my mom at some point because I don't really know what to do. But I was also like it's just pizzas. It's just words. He's just angry. It's just a boy on the internet. Like, it's not that deep.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Grace asks her daughter what's going on, but Esther just brushes her off. She kind of played it off like, oh, that's kind of weird. But someone did that as a joke. They think it's funny. It didn't seem hostile or aggressive in any way. It just struck me as really strange. I thought that he was just trying to like maybe win me over by sending me a pizza or like being nice or something. Sending pizzas to people is kind of a classic internet prank.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It's innocuous enough because, I mean, after all, it's just a pizza. But as much as Esther wants to believe that it's not that big a deal, She knows it's not really true. This is threatening. This is like niceness disguised and I know where you live. The subtle threats don't stop there. He texted me and I was like, I don't think I gave you my phone number.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I'm confused and a little concerned. This is not just on Skype anymore. This is not just on Twitter anymore. This is not just video games anymore. Esther's tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's gone way beyond that now. She's feeling sick with anxiety over what he's going to say or do next.
Starting point is 00:22:00 So she decides to cut him off. I can just block him. That's what they tell you to do. They're like, oh, turn off the screen, just shut it off. You know, walk away. It's fine. So that's what I did.
Starting point is 00:22:14 I was like, all right, I'm going to block him. It escalated very quickly after I had blocked him. Pizza guy shows up again, and this was maybe a week later. And I was like, again, okay, I'm not accepting it this time. And then, as I'm, like, rejecting this order from this pizza guy, another pizza guy shows up from another pizza shop, and he shows up at the pizza. And then at some point, there was, like, every pizza shop that existed.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Pizza Hut, Dominoes, Papa Johns, Little Caesars, name it, and they were there. And some of them had a lot of pizza. There was a pizza guy standing there with 12 pizzas. And I was like, what? Grace is already starting to grasp that something is not right here. While Esther's still frantically trying to contain everything, like any teenager, she's also terrified of owning up to the situation she's found herself in.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I was so much more scared about getting in trouble than I was about fixing the situation. So Esther is still keeping her mom grace in the dark about the harassment. But it's all going to be fine, right? She just needs to wait it out. I thought that I would be able to get through to him. I thought that he's got to see eventually. But her former friend has no intention of stopping. He started making a bunch of different Google accounts to message me.
Starting point is 00:23:50 All kinds of threatening messages from all kinds of. of numbers. Like, hey, respond. I'm not going to stop messaging you. I'm not going to stop once you answer. You can't get away from me. And then that's when I told my mom. I was like, this guy is messaging me. I can't get away from him. This isn't okay. Can we go get a new phone or something, like a new SIM card? Can I change my number? What can we do? We go and we get a new phone and we get my number changed and we get home and literally like as soon as we get home, I've got this brand new phone, brand new number, and I get a text message from him. So you think it was going to be that easy.
Starting point is 00:24:36 My heart just sinks out of my butt, honestly. I was like, oh my gosh, how is he doing all of this? Esther feels completely under siege. Everywhere she turns, he seems to be there. But then he starts coming for her mother, Grace, too. He said, I have access to your bank accounts and your bills. But weirdly, he doesn't take anything from them. I don't know if it was stupidity on his part or smart on his part to not steal the money.
Starting point is 00:25:12 And I had changed my password and he went in there and changed it again. And he changed it to something derogatory. And he did that to several of my accounts that I had online. So he clearly had the tech to get in there and, and do that. It was a really strange exertion of control. It was really strange. I thought, why?
Starting point is 00:25:37 What's the motivation other than to say, hey, I can get in here and mess with your life anytime I want? There's no reason for this. Like, why? Because I don't want to be your girlfriend? This is not a normal reaction. As the threats and the pizzas continue to
Starting point is 00:25:57 roll in, Esther's still not replying, hoping that her silence will eventually let the message sink in, hoping that he'll just move on. But he's always there in the back of her mind. He already knows my name. He already knows my location. He already knows all these things that I haven't even given to him. Now, I'm definitely scared. This isn't just messing around. Like, he's got really bad intentions. You know when people hear that Mint Mobile plans are only $15 a month? The first question is, okay, so what's the catch? And honestly, I thought the same thing. But after switching, I can tell you there really isn't one.
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Starting point is 00:28:08 Police officers slowly approach her and her partner. After a few tens of moments they allow them to lower their hands. Then they tell Grace they need to sweep the house. I'm like, well, all my children and their friends are in there. Grace's daughter Esther has some friends staying over. She's got a house full of teenagers that's about to be overrun by heavily armed cops. They're like, we'll be respectful, but we do have to clear the house and make sure everything's okay and that all the children are safe.
Starting point is 00:28:39 They made us stand out there with them while they swept the house. house. I was asleep. I heard, police, you need to wake up. And I like kind of pulled the covers over my hand because I thought it was a dream. I was like, what the heck? Like, what is going on? I'm tired. Leave me alone. And then they said it again more loudly. I kind of jolted out of bed and I look over and there's a cop standing next to me with a gun in his hand. Like a really big one. I'm terrified. I have no clue what's happening. And then they bring us out into the living room. Grace and her partner have been escorted back inside.
Starting point is 00:29:29 The whole family, plus all the kids' friends who are staying over, are gathered in the living room. That's when the police tell them that they received a call from someone saying that he'd broken into their house, with an AR-15 rifle and 250 rounds of ammunition, that, you know, that you're not. he'd tied up five hostages and put duct tape over their mouths. Then he demanded $20,000 in cash and said he would kill one hostage every two hours until he got it. One of the policemen played a recording
Starting point is 00:30:05 and he said, do any of you recognize this voice? Do you know who this person was? You could see the color almost drained from Esther's face. She said, oh my gosh, I know who that is. I recognized his voice because we've been Skype calls or video game calls. I was just like, oh no. I was just trying to be nice, trying to be helpful, but I'm talking to a stranger on the internet.
Starting point is 00:30:37 The reality of how unsafe it was kind of hit me. The police want to know just how much Esther really knows about this online stranger. So I just told the cops everything that I knew at the time. I was like, I only know him online. and like he sent me pizzas. I didn't know how scary he was. Now Esther is in no doubt, and neither is her mom, Grace.
Starting point is 00:31:02 It felt like it was just so hate-filled, you know. It felt very violating. And just I couldn't understand that line of thinking to treat someone else's life like that. I just, that's so crazy to me. Swattings had like kind of been a thing, but I'd only heard about them from major. streamers. I didn't know that
Starting point is 00:31:24 random people were doing it to other random people. There's a dangerous new prank going on, and it's putting innocent people in the crosshairs. Well, it's called swatting. Swatting. Swatting. There was an online... If you're a gamer, or just chronically
Starting point is 00:31:38 online, you'll have heard of swatting. It's been on the FBI's radar since at least 2008, but by the time Esther is swatted, it's warped into a toxic craze. Frightening moments for a couple last spring, as a SWAT team surrounded their apartment with guns drawn.
Starting point is 00:31:55 It's a kind of prank call where you fake an emergency so serious that it's all but guaranteed to get a special weapons and tactics or SWAT team response. An active shooter, a bomb threat, something that suggests an imminent threat to life or mass casualties, something that's designed to get armed cops to scramble and then storm the target's property. Tanks, riot gear, tear, gas, flashbangs, and heavy-duty firearm. When you see the SWAT team, you know it's serious. It became more and more popular within gaming communities, especially targeting streamers.
Starting point is 00:32:31 By 2011, it was estimated that about 400 swattings were happening every year in the United States. Often, a swatter tries to time calling in a fake threat while a gamer is streaming. That way, they get to watch the swatting happening live on camera. and get their kicks while police battered down the door and tackle their poor bewildered victim to the ground. Oh, this isn't good? I think we're getting swatted. To the people that engage in swatting,
Starting point is 00:33:06 it's the ultimate high-stakes prank, trolling in its final form. To the police, it's a crime, one of the most extreme forms of false reporting. And to the rest of us, including Esther, it's a life-threatening gamble. He's sending a SWAT team here.
Starting point is 00:33:24 We could have gotten hurt. They could have gotten hurt. And make no mistake, people have gotten seriously hurt. In 2017, two call-of-duty players called Casey Viner and Shane Gaskill got into an argument, reportedly over a wager worth just $1.50. Viner threatened to have Gaskill swatted and reached out to a guy called Tyler Barris, a known swatter. to make it happen. Baris then threatens Gaskell, telling him a swatting is coming.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Gaskell responds by sending an address in Wichita, saying, please try some shit, I'll be waiting. Barris then called the police. He told him he'd shot his father and was holding the rest of his family hostage. He also told him he'd poured gasoline all over the house and was thinking of setting it on fire. Within minutes, police had the house surrounded as the panicked resident made his way outside. A warning, the next clip you hear might be distressing. Gaskill had sent Barris the details of his old address. He hadn't lived there in a year. The current resident at that time was a man named Andrew Finch, a father of two. He didn't know Gaskill, Viner, or Barris,
Starting point is 00:34:51 and he wasn't a gamer. He'd simply answered his door only to see a SWAT team in his front yard, and 10 seconds later, he was shot. He died later at the hospital. All stemming from an argument over a video game and $1.50. Thankfully, Grace and Esther's local police department were able to make contact with them before anyone was hurt. It could have been so much worse. We have guns.
Starting point is 00:35:24 We would have defended ourselves if we thought someone was breaking into our home. I mean, that was absolute insanity. The police take statements from Grace and Esther and tell them that they're going to open an investigation into the false report. But they seem kind of pissed off at Esther. They made me feel like it was my fault. I tried to explain to them. Like, I was already kind of a public figure online,
Starting point is 00:35:52 and I streamed. And, like, if people wanted to, they can kind of get your information. People can find your address. People can do all kinds of stuff. I didn't ask for this. I don't know how to prevent this. Nobody knows anything about online security at this point because it's still very new and not taken seriously.
Starting point is 00:36:10 They were just like, don't let it happen again. It just didn't feel like they were working on it from our perspective. It felt like kind of nothing. What Grace and Esther don't know is that about 1,400 miles away in a small town just outside of Atlanta, there's at least one cop who's been waging all-out war against Esther's swatter for months. Six, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, thirty.
Starting point is 00:36:40 I started tracking back all these different cases that he's done. Sergeant Ben Finley. I never liked losing. You know what I mean? I never liked having bad people beat me. Coming up on You Are Next. I am going to find out who did this. I can't believe what I just saw.
Starting point is 00:37:01 Jesus Christ, you serious? The motivation for him to do these things is to feel like, like his power over these women. It's part of like a controlled harassment campaign. Very aggressive and sociopathic. The hairs on the back of your neck go up. If you wanted to ruin your life, you really could. This is You Are Next, an original production of Sony music entertainment and novel.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Hosted by me, Lee Alexander. Lee Meyer is our senior producer. Verity DeKala is our assistant producer. Sandra Schmuelli is our assistant producer. Shmuelli is our editor. Production management from Sheree Houston, Joe Savage, and Charlotte Wolf. For novel, our executive producer is Max O'Brien.
Starting point is 00:38:02 From Sony Music Entertainment, our executive producers are Catherine St. Louis and Jonathan Hirsch. Story development by Nell Gray Andrews, Willard Foxton, and Selena Meta, who is Director of Development for Novel. Special thanks to Carolyn Sher Levin at Miller-Corzanick-Rayman LLP, and to Ford Collier, who performed the Woodwind for our theme music.
Starting point is 00:38:24 And a big thanks to the whole Sony Music Entertainment team.

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