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Episode Date: August 31, 2026

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Something is happening in Dawson Creek. A wave of violence has swept over this community of just 13,000 people. It's like the kind of stuff you only hear about on TV. 15 murders in the last five years. Some criminals, I put them into the category of supervillains. I'm Timothy Sawa and from CVC's On Cover and the Fifth Estate, an investigation into deaths and disappearances in Dawson Creek and what's behind it all. I'm not saying another word. Leave me alone.

The Mile Zero Murders, available now on CBC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen to every episode of What She Buried, add free right now when you subscribe to The Binge. You'll hear the entire series before anyone else, get exclusive bonus episodes, and unlock more than 60 other true crime podcasts. Just head to the Binge channel on Apple Podcasts and tap subscribe, or visit getthebinge.com to listen wherever you are. The Binge. Feed your true crime obsession. After the Erica Flores fiasco, it was undeniable. Even among people charged with heavy crimes, a difficult demographic to begin with, Quenetta was a challenging client.

She was a defendant in a murder trial, who, while out on bond, seems to have staged an elaborate ruse to coerce a 19-year-old single mother into giving police a false confession. It would be a lot for any attorney to deal with. The day after Erica's false confession, Quenetta's lawyer quit. He told me, I do the slicing and dicing. When the defendant starts to slice and dice, I gotta go.

The court appointed Quenetta new representation, Robbie McClung and Richard Franklin. They were professional partners. But when I met them, they had that look that married couples get, after spending decades together, kind of matching. Though Richard is balding with gray hair and tortoiseshell glasses, and Robbie is blonde with bright lipstick heels.

They'd worked countless murders, manslaughterers, aggravated assaults, aggravated robberies. And yet, as always, Quenetta stood out. Dealing with Quenetta was hard. It was a stretch for me because there were so many different sides of her that she tried to play, and it was just very difficult because I never knew which Quenetta was coming out that day. Who were the different Quenetas? There's the Quenetta that was the rape survivor. There was the Quenetta that was the abused woman.

There was the Quenetta that was trying to save her husband from being sent off to some foreign land where fighting was occurring. I mean, you pick the day. She's got a different story as to why her life is the way it is. All the Quenetas. It certainly felt to me like Robbie wasn't too fond of any of them. But she and Richard would nonetheless mount a zealous defense for their problematic client. We were blaming this murder on her boyfriend, right? Were you?

Well, that's what I'm asking. I thought we were. Yeah, they were. It had been a while. She maintained that she was innocent, that he did it, and that he was the brains behind the whole thing, and he was forcing her to do it. She had to do what he said, okay?

So that's what we were going with. He, as in D'Andre, Quenetta's boyfriend. He did it. This seemed to be the best approach, as far as Richard and Robbie could see, Because there was tons of evidence that Quenetta had orchestrated a financial fraud to steal Michael Giles' money. And that Quenetta had set up Erica Flores. But when it came to proving that Quenetta had actually pulled the trigger, that was where things got murky.

And if the trial came down to why Quenetta might have pulled the trigger, they were going to get murkier still. From Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is what she should be. buried. I'm Justine Vanderlund. Episode 5. All the Quinetas. There's no direct evidence she had done the crime. Nobody saw her do it. She didn't admit to do it. She actually said she never did it. Josh Healy was the lead prosecutor in Quenetta's case. Remember how Erica Flores was convinced to take part in a sting operation that would expose a racist

DA with a scar on his head? That's Josh. There's nothing to suggest that. that he's ever been part of any racist conspiracy, but he does have a scar on his head, which is an unusually shiny head. When I met Josh Healy at his office, now he's in private practice, a defense attorney, he had his feet up on his desk, in this room stuffed with files.

He beckoned me in. He'd done a lot of press about this case, and he was always open to talking about Quenetta. And when he did, this big, juicy grin spread across his face. What Josh lacked in direct evidence of the crime, he made up for in circumstantial evidence. The concrete slap, the money trail, Erica Flores. And Josh's favorite part of all?

Guenetta's search histories. We had our computers and our cell phones. You know, how to kill someone without leaving a mess. How to clean blood off a couch. One-way tickets out of Dallas around that time. You know, just the craziest searches. Josh Healy put the highlights, things that could help him. best make his case in his prosecutor's notes. They read, defendant looks up images of the brain

on victim's computer. Defendant searches the value of victim's house. Defendant searches bloodstain removal hints at do-it-yourself.com. Defendant searches, how do I get blood out of furniture on ask.com. It was going to be challenging for Richard and Robbie to explain all of that away at trial. Josh knew he had the advantage. And it was clear that he really wanted Quenetta locked up. This one was personal. I always said if I end up dead, there's like five people to look at, and she's one of them. Just, I mean, that's the nature of our business when I was a DA at that level.

Who were the other four? Death penalty guys, you know, serial killer, racist killer. Had one, they didn't seek death, but he killed two people and it was just evil. Just bad people. You put her up with them? Yes. she's probably worse because she's got half a brain. To be honest, I mean, there are certain people that deserve to be rotting in hell from what I call prison.

And she is one of them for what she did to that guy. So I wondered, when Josh was dealing with Quenetta, what was it about her that made her especially terrifying? Had he felt it in person when he interacted with her? When she was like first in jail, did you meet her? Well, I can't talk to her without her lawyer present. I'm not allowed to. When she was in jail and for the bond hearing, I saw her there, yes.

But I can't talk to her until I don't know if I've ever had a conversation with her. Oh, Josh had never actually spoken to Quenetta. He just formed this idea of her. And the idea, it didn't just come from the crime he was charging her with. Josh loves to tell us everything. He takes right to a lot. to stop us in the hallway and tell us all sorts of terrible things about our clients. Why?

That's Josh. That's Josh. He likes to talk. He does. He likes to talk. So he'll tell us stuff. He'll tell us stuff and show us stuff. And there was some gross stuff that he found from her to various people out there that he showed us.

What kind of gross stuff? I don't remember. Well, she was sending a picture out of her private parts. Oh, there we go. Okay. And Josh had it on the big screen in his office. Look what, it's not good. But by the same token, it was not going to be admissible in evidence either.

The pictures had been found by the police when they searched Quenetta's devices. And Josh had to turn them over to Richard and Robbie as part of discovery. But still, what was the purpose of displaying them on the big screen? That he showed us to say, look, here's what you're dealing with. But isn't it, like, it sort of strikes me as maybe a little unusual, and maybe it's not, for a prosecutor to find, say, personal photos of somebody's vagina and then have it on his screen and say, everyone come look? They, they, no, no, no, he wouldn't show it. to the, he wouldn't show it to the general public.

No, no, but just the... It was stuff that, it was, it was information that they had acquired by subpoena. You know, they subpoena all this stuff, all the stuff they can get. It's jarring to envision two white men dressed in their suits and ties. One charged locking Quenetta up, the other with defending her. Staring at these images of her body. Images that were enlarged on a screen. But just in terms of, like, his curiosity about it, what does that have to do with anything?

Well, we have the same information he does, okay? And we could have gone through there. We could have gone through our copy of it and found the same thing. We just hadn't gotten that far yet. Well, it kind of explained a little bit of the oddity of her relationship with men. He does it to get his idea of what he's dealing with and what he wants to do with her. We never came to any kind of agreement at all prior to trial on what we could do with her. The reality here is that there's research that shows that when a woman's sexuality is evoked,

people perceive her to be lacking mental capacity and moral status. The legal system itself is based on an idea that most of us hold, even unconsciously, that, in the words of the old-time jurists, Chastity equals veracity, that a woman's sexuality is inverse to her truthfulness. Innocence and guilt are all intertwined for women here. For black women, research shows that this is compounded. They are disproportionately incarcerated, often denied the right to self-defense, and hypersexualized from girlhood.

It seems unlikely that Quenetta knew the full academic backdrop back then. She probably also didn't know that various people were inspectors. and chuckling about and pathologizing intimate photos of her as they sifted through all of the discovery documents. But even if she had, by the time Quenetto's trial rolled around in October 2009, it was pretty obvious to everyone concerned that she was doomed. Even the judge. Do you remember how quickly you knew that she was guilty? Well, as a judge, you're not supposed to prejudge somebody and make that determination until you've heard everything.

But day one. The Honorable Andy Chatham. Most judges won't speak to the press. Andy, however, he's... A media whore. I love this stuff. My wife will tell you, I've never met a microphone I didn't like. Maybe you missed a career.

No, I got a face for radio and a voice for newspapers. And when Andy Chatham was face to face with Quenetta during pre-trial hearings, he saw, well, the same person Josh Healy did. Confident, adamant, she was not guilty of this. This is what she does. She's a con artist. She is able to convince people to do things that they would not ordinarily. do. To Andy Chatham, it was simple. She's the cement lady, and she will always be the cement lady. There's no other apt description that I can think of that's better. Quenetta was up against a system

that, from the start, viewed her case as a made-for-TV spectacle. Here was this master manipulator of men, a harlot who took scandalous photos and victimized an upstanding American veteran. Everyone seemed to agree that Quenetta was guilty as hell. She even had a tabloid-worthy nickname bestowed on her by the judge. That concept of Quenetta as the cement lady, it cast a pall over the proceedings, and it made her extra frantic. But the thing that doomed Quenetta, really,

wasn't anything the judge or the lawyers said or did. It was that, DeAndre showed up. So we took her in the back and we're like, okay, he is going to talk. He is going to tell the story. They're going to convict you based on his story and everything else. What do you want us to do? That's when she told us to go ask and see if they would do something less.

Quenetta knew what she was up against. If convicted, she faced life without the possibility of parole. So she agreed to a plea. 50 years in prison. Securus. Hi. Oh, my God. Hi, I'm so exhausted and stressed.

These people try to kill me. Okay. It had been about a week since our interview across the glass. I was back in New York. Quinetta had just returned from the hospital unit, a checkup. She'd been having trouble reaching me on the phone, so she was a little frazzled at first. But pretty soon, she relaxed. And now she seemed almost eager to go where we'd never really.

gone before. She wanted to walk me through exactly what had happened in those moments before and after Michael Giles died. I already knew about the time surrounding the killing in late June, early July 2006. Quenetta's flight to Texas, the days of spaghetti warehouse, of half-priced books, of sex, and arguing. It's hot. They're both out of sorts. They have it in for each other. So much history, so much resentment. Some time earlier, they'd been arguing long distance, and Michael had called the nursing home where Quenetta worked, lobbying accusations that Quenetta had acted improperly, making her look bad. Quenetta was afraid she'd lose her job, and she denied the allegations. They wrote heated emails back and forth. Quenetta wrote

I could have got you in a lot of trouble in England, but I didn't. Michael wrote, You love to bring up the old and talk trash to me. Quenetta wrote, You have ruined my life, my career. I wonder if I go in today, if I even have this bullshit job, or if you called and got me fired from that. Michael wrote,

I was into you, but you love to fight. Love to control. Take some responsibility. Now she was back in town, looking for some funds, doing their quid pro quo. So I don't know the timeline, because maybe you know the timeline. But I'm like, okay, you want me to tell you today he died? I tell you today he dad. Yes, I do. Please. No.

He died. He died on the 4th of July that night. In Quenetta's telling, the series of events that leads to the killing begins few hours after Michael Giles' mom has gotten the call that he's not coming to the family barbecue. Bickering has turned into full-blown arguing. It's getting really heated. Quenetta and Michael had arguments before. He's never been the sweetest guy with her.

But he wasn't violent. Until, she says, he was. I just remember he was on top. He was on top. And that's when it started. He was in my ear talking shit. When he was on top of me, he was mad. I remember he was, you know, mad.

You just want to be just talking shit. Didn't make it himself madder. And that's when he put the villain out. What happened in that room was never recorded or documented. Michael Giles can't respond to accusations. and Quenetta only has, well, her word. But then again, violence between people in a romantic relationship, that almost always happens behind closed doors,

often when tensions run high, often when a man feels he's losing someone or something. And it doesn't just happen to sweet, submissive women. It also happens to women who lie and he's. who scam, who do drugs and do crimes, imperfect victims, who nobody will ever fully believe. And when it came to Michael Giles, the fact is that Quenetta never accused him of harming her,

until just the once on the night of his death. I didn't even know he had it. I don't even know where he pulled it from. He pulled the gun. He put the gun in me. Put the gun in me. This isn't the first time Quenetta's told me this. In August 2020, after we'd been corresponding for over a year,

she gave me a similar account, written down, disjointed, but with the same elements. She wrote, The 9mm came out. His gun. In me. Threats, crying, choking. Quenetta said that she had a method. for when a man was like this.

Did Michael Giles sexually and physically assault Quenetta during this moment? We will never know for sure. What I do know is that Quenetta had survived abuse before, and so she'd honed certain techniques to subdue an angry man. I remember calming him down. I remember talking him down, but just that's what I do. That's what I do. Calm down, baby.

We're going to get through this. You're comfortable with saying that script. The whole, you know, I shouldn't have been doing this. I know, I know, it's not going to, I know I push you to do this. I don't know why I make you so mad with me. And, you know, it's my, I'm old. I know how to do that. Once Quenetta had neutralized the most immediate threat, she had a single goal in mind.

I remember just thinking, get the gun. But how do you disarm a military man, one who is not happy with you? We've been finished. My handshaking. And I remember making him a bowl of ice cream. And that ice cream. And he asked me to pass him his Benadryl or something. We didn't drill clear to something.

He'd stopped us. He took a pass him next. Seems hard to get him from whatever state he was in that he had a gun like that into a relax. It took a while. Michael is still upset. And Quenetta is still reassured. assuring him. Now, in her telling, she coaxes him to lie down on the couch. She straddles him,

begins to massage his back. The whole time, she's been tracking the gun. Now, with Michael just lying there, she reaches for it. But what happens that you get it and then what you do is shoot him? Like, what happens there? He didn't even know I had grabbed it and split, and I think When he realized it, I remember him tensing. And I remember him tensing. She lifts the gun, presses it to the back of his head, and pulls the trigger. Shooting someone in the head, there does seem to be an element of rage to that. A lot, kind of?

No? No? No, I think it was just more so. I grabbed it and I shot him because I didn't want, I don't know what I was thinking. I mean, I knew that I wasn't thinking like, oh, I'm going to shoot him in the head. I don't remember thinking that. It was like a reflex. But why?

In that moment, why kill him? What about a less permanent solution? Get the guns and just back out of the house. That's what I should have did. That's what I should have did. You know, how you have argument with someone. You don't say the things you're supposed to say then. Like, when you're in a shower, you think, oh, this is what I should have said.

I was never going to call the police because I'm not even going to be down here. But I should have held it on him. It just didn't work like that. It didn't happen like that. It's easy to come up with better decisions when you're years and miles away, listening to how a situation unfolded.

But people in prison for murder, it goes without saying they made some very big mistakes. And Quenetta's conceding to this. Should have done it differently. Shouldn't have even been there. But once it happened, there was no turning back. Quenetta Harris shot Michael Giles one time in the head. And then she took off.

Did you know that he was dead? It had to be dead. I didn't check. I ran. If you ran, did you take it in with you? Oh, yeah. I have my phone and I had my purse, of course. I know that.

But I don't know if I, I don't remember grabbing it. I had to have it to get in the hotel. You didn't run straight out. You got your stuff in your house. I must have. Because my stuff wasn't in the car, so I must have grabbed it. Or, you know, grabbed it running out. I think as I was driving, it was just like, yeah, I have to know he was dead.

But it's like, like, the way it happens is not, like, with the emotions and stuff, it's not linear. It's just. I just remember I was scared. I remember running and all that driving. And the more I told back and forth, I didn't feel no better. Finally, she checks into a hotel just off the interstate. I left the light from. I was so stupid because I was scared to turn the lights up.

I wanted to take a shower. I was scared to get the shower. I was just feel. I don't know what. I was just scared afterwards. Which I don't understand. I was really scared. Something is happening in Dawson Creek.

A wave of violence has swept over this community of just 13,000 people. It's like the kind of stuff you only hear about on TV. 15 murders in the last five years. Some criminals, I put them into the category of supervillains. I'm Timothy Sawa and from CVC's Uncover and the Fifth Estate, an investigation into deaths and disappearances in Dawson Creek and what's behind it all. I'm not saying another word, leave me alone. The Miles Zero murders have very much.

Available now on CBC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. What Quenetta told me, it's plausible. It lines up, more or less, with the stained couch, with the bullet to the brain. Even with the approximate timing that Michael Giles' family remembered, that last call to his mother on July 4th. The way Quenetta talked, flat, about a sexual assault, about Michael Giles' actions, that was. was, in my experience, interviewing people who've gone through similar things, normal enough. Some people crumble. Some people are removed. I'd heard of driving back and forth after killing someone, of running, scared, to crappy hotels,

crappier motels. And most people didn't call the cops. They were not from communities, typically, that had good relationships with law enforcement. Some were already involved in other illegal activities. And also, you panic when you have a dead body. It's natural to think about how to hide it, not how to present yourself to authorities for punishment. I'm not the only one Quenetta told this version of her story to. Quenetta's lawyer, Robbie McClung, of the Richard and Robbie duo, remembered this account. It's just, it hadn't been useful as a defense. I mean, I remember that story, because the massage part is what clicks it back in my memory. because I was like, you're giving him a massage and then you shoot him in the back of the head?

Really? Wow. I just kind of looked at her kind of funny. Like, I don't think that's really going to be a defense because you knew when you were telling you were going to give him a massage, you knew you were going to shoot him in the back of the head. That's intentional. I mean, it is intentional. I didn't think it was going to be a strategy that was going to get her what she wanted. She wanted it to be like some sort of.

of battered woman syndrome or something. And I'm like, I don't think you're going to get there because you literally picked up a gun and shot him in the back of the head. That is intentional murder. No two ways about it. Quenetta only ever described what could be defined, technically,

as intentional murder. So if this was all a lie, it was a useless one. In my opinion, if Quenetta were lying about this, she would have lied better, because she's a fantastic liar. She could have made up a story

in which Michael Giles had abused her for years or was hurting her in that very moment and she fought back. But she never said that. I thought, this story is chaotic and it doesn't absolve her of her crime. And for that reason,

it's a conceivable scenario. I hope you're not believing her, but yes, that's your prerogative, obviously. Josh Healy again. Yeah, I'm neither here nor there. I'm trying to, like, understand what happened. Obviously, nobody knows what happened in that room. I mean, what happened after seems quite clear,

but what happened then is anyone's guess, really. Correct. Josh knew that there were no absolutes here. But he also felt strongly that Quenetta planned the killing in advance. That she murdered Michael Giles for the money, and only for the money. And I can't refute that. I wasn't in that room either. What to believe, what not to believe.

People like Josh were saying, don't believe a word Quenetta says. But remember, Josh never even talked to her. I had. For years. My own instinct was to keep listening to Quenetta. It was too neat and simple to discredit her entirely because she lied. But engaging with Quenetta and the complexities and uncertainties of her story,

it was confusing, a little alienating. I needed some guidance. So I called in an expert of sorts, my friend, Josie Duffy Rice. She's a journalist with a Harvard law degree, who has worked in a public defender's office and now does podcasts and substacks and articles. She's a person who's basically entirely immersed in the criminal legal system and knows a ton about it. I told Josie this whole story, start to finish.

Up until then, she'd never heard of Quenetta. It was all new to her. My immediate thought is this sounds like both an extremely fucked up thing to do, to kill someone, lie about it, fake that they're so alive, take their money, like it sounds so ridiculous. And also it sounds to me like the reflection of a behavior towards someone she resented and hated

for whatever reason. Josie, unlike anyone who I'd ever talked to about this, put herself in Quenetta's shoes right away. What I'm picturing is this dude has like for years been at best, needy, at worst, manipulative, coercive. Now he's gotten you fired from her job. Now you're on your third marriage, whatever. That job wasn't making you shit money anyway. Now you probably like you hate him,

you resent him, you don't even, you don't, not only do you not feel bad killing him, you don't feel bad taking his money. What doesn't sound to me like it happened is that she was like in that moment under such duress that she had to shoot him. And it could be true that she felt like, her back was against the wall, but not in a way that is self-defense. Like a guy saying, I'll call your next job and get you fired. That doesn't rise to the level of I get to kill me get away with it. I think it's totally plausible she did not go down there to kill him. I also think it's totally plausible.

That became part of the plan pretty fast. Josie sensed how I was feeling. It must be, I'm trying to think about the best way I say this. I wonder for you how, like, disappointing is such a shitty word, but that's actually how you feel. I'm like, sucks to go into something feeling X. And look, I love guilty people. They're my favorite kind of people. But it really is, like, oh, I thought you were being abused and killed this guy and then actually you made your fiancee put bandages on so you could pretend it.

Like, it feels like a different vibe. However, it reminds me of the like the Nietzsche idea of suffering doesn't make you good like all of it could be true It's interesting this vibe of like You seem like you were a bad person Who also might have been in a kind of shitty situation I would say it's not exactly disappointing

I think what it is is completely discombobulating Look I do not discount the possibility that they're very evil people in the world at all. I'm not one of those people that's like, everybody deep down is good. There are 8 billion people in the world. I'm sure some of them are like irredeemably bad. Like most people are somewhere in the middle.

And Quenna did me still feel somewhere in the middle. She does not feel to me to be like an irredeemable harlot. She does feel to me more manipulative than, you know, some other people. To me, that doesn't mean that you're getting played, right? I think it can totally be true that she wants a good story about her, Anne likes you, and has these opinions about the system that are actually good and interesting, and misses her kids, and feels mischaracterized, and did some really fucked up shit. Quenetta had stacks of magazines in herself.

She read and wrote voraciously. She knew about the craft of journalism, how stories are reported, how information is verified, how a profile subject takes shape over the course of a narrative. When I started doing this podcast, she'd been eager to participate, not just by talking to me, but by offering me reporting suggestions, the name of an old friend who might remember things from back in England, the phone number of an ex-husband who could offer a different perspective on their lives,

information on where old hospital records or police reports might be found. She seemed to be guiding me towards something. And it became clear that most everything, and everyone from her life before, was in Detroit, the city where she was born and raised. So I went to see if Detroit was the missing piece of the puzzle. There, I could try to understand her world by getting to know the people who shaped it. I was a drug deal. Yeah. I had guns all over the fucking house.

Yes. I had guns in the kitchen. kid in everywhere. And she, one time she shot at me. She is shot in the ground. Okay. Did she? Hey, listen, there's a lot going on, babe.

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