The Binge Cases: U R NEXT - U R NEXT | 2. Madder than a Wet Hen

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

Sergeant Ben Finley is as analog as they come. But when a swatting wreaks havoc on his beat, he starts chasing an anonymous and ruthless digital criminal. Want the full story? Binge every episode of U R NEXT ad-free now by subscribing to The Binge+. You’ll unlock over 60 true crime series instantly, get early access to drops on the first of every month, and hear exclusive bonus episodes. Search for the channel on Apple Podcasts or head to GetTheBinge.com. For behind-the-scenes details, join our free newsletter at Patreon.com/TheBinge. U R NEXT is a production of Sony Music Entertainment and Novel. Follow @sonypodcasts and discover more at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices at podcastchoices.com/adchoices. The Binge — feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I think I kind of resisted it for a while. And he was like, no, man, you got to get on Google and look this up. And I'm like, what the hell is a Google? Ben's digital prowess has improved a lot since he said that, which, to be fair, wouldn't be hard. But he still never saw himself being a digital sheriff. chasing bad people on the internet. Never thought that would get to that point.

I always thought how fun it was to chase them in person. I never knew what it was like to chase them through the digital world. So how is it that a country cop who once said, What the Hell is a Google, ends up being the guy chasing the online predator who targeted Esther, her family, and countless others? Well, for that, we need to go back to January 16th, 2014. It's about 4.30 p.m. Ben is in his precinct in Johns Creek, Georgia.

We're going through the evening before's reports and whatnot. We always have our radios on and I can hear stuff, but it's kind of like in the background. Shot fired, person shot. We got an armed individual inside. Who claims he's already shot children? Holy shit. Hey, this is Alperetta 9-11. Can you give me your tester? How? What? Carl, Bill Lane.

the street for me. C-A-R-L-S-L-E. Uh-huh. And John's Creek. If you're going to call here, I swear to God, I'll shoot the ass. Okay. Bitch, I ain't going down without a motherfucking fight. I'm going to take some motherfuckers with me.

I killed the mom. I killed the dad and I killed the little boy in the house. I got the little girl right here. I need $30,000. Do you want $30,000 to keep from killing the girl? Yeah. Man, this is a multimillion-dollar gated neighborhood. Who is down here shooting people in this house, especially shooting children?

As Ben and his team arrive at the scene, 15 officers are scattered across a well-manicured lawn, guns loaded and aimed at a large, ornate house. Everybody's there. All of our fire department, EMS people are, they're staging right down the street here in case something happens. We got a three or four man, quick reaction team sitting on the side with a shield, a couple rifles staged up on the corner of the house. We're also setting up medical stuff as well. How many amort you have on stuff?

We're in an edict zone. We're probably going to need a rescue helicopter. We need to go ahead and plot out a place for a landing zone for this. When I say it's chaos, it's literally chaos. Fire Patrol guys on a loudspeaker trying to make contact with somebody on the inside, not getting anything, trying to get a phone number, call to the house. That doesn't get a response either. There's something Ben can't put his finger on.

A cop's hunch honed after years on the beat. A feeling deep in his gut. Something's not adding up here. I don't know what it is. There's something that's not right with this. After multiple attempts to contact the house with no response, Ben gives the nod to the SWAT team to enter the house. Ben's gripping his radio tightly as the SWAT team clear each floor of the upscale home.

He's worked homicide cases before, so he knows what kind of gruesome updates to expect from a scene with multiple murders. Shell cations on the floor, blood splatter on the wall, but none of that was there. No bullet casings, no blood, no body, never mind three. This is odd. Ben's gut stirs again. What the fuck is happening here? A message comes through from the SWAT team. They found people during their search.

sweep alive. They were housekeepers inside the house. They were scared to death. The housekeepers are each carrying a trembling, terrified child. They come out, both the children, naked, wrapped up in towels, which explained why they were nowhere near their phones. They couldn't hear anything. They were in the bathtub, bathing the children.

And of course, we're immediately going into debrief with them. It's like, who's in the home? Who else is in the home? Is anybody hurt? They're in shock, so they're not really giving great information. They finally like, it's just us, it's just the kids, no one else is in the home. The penny drops like a bomb. All right, we've been had.

This is bullshit. From Sony Music Entertainment and Novel, this is You Are Next. I'm Lee Alexander. This is episode two. Matter than a Wet Hen. I was born in Toccoa, Georgia, which is up in far northeast Georgia. We lived on top of a mountain. He could crawl up on the roof of the house.

I could see all the mountains and stuff. On a good, clear day, you could see South Carolina and North Carolina and Tennessee. Ben Finley is a country boy through and through. He was born in his beloved Georgia in 1966. I know that sounds like a long time ago, doesn't it? It's like, damn, I saw a movie the other day from 1916. 66. It's black and white. When he's about 15 years old, Ben's parents get divorced, and like any kid his age, he kind of

spins out about it. All of a sudden, my dad's not there. I was kind of gaffing off at school, not doing what I was supposed to do, and my grades got bad. So the next thing I know, my dad had me yanked out of there, and I went to military school. That was a, that was a sobering experience. In retrospect, looking back, that was probably the best thing in the world ever happened to me. I wasn't a fan of it at the time. But I look back at it now and go, had that not happened, I don't know what my life path would have been. One day, a pair of Marines visit Ben's new school. They leave a hell of an impression on him. Waring their dress blues standing there in front of me, and I was like, well, I got to have some of that. So I did that. Signed up. Say what

you want, whatever branch of service your hand, all these guys have to tell you to, man, the Marine Corps, no one else has a uniform like ours. I'm biased, but I'm just telling you, they don't look that good in a uniform as we do. I've seen a picture of Ben from his old marine days, the navy blue uniform with red trim, a brilliant white hat on top of his head. He's like a walking American flag with added shiny gold buttons. It suits him, but Ben's always loved a uniform. What made you want to become a police officer? Was that something that started in your childhood?

I remember growing up, we'd see, you know, the police officers and deputy sheriffs and state troopers, they'd be in town. Some of my friends' fathers were one. When I was small, my dad worked for the sheriff's office in our county and the city police department for a while. I thought it was pretty cool. After stints in Hong Kong, the Philippines, Japan, and more, Ben retires from the Marines. In 2008, he starts working for.

for the Johns Creek Police Department as a detective sergeant. In 2014, Johns Creek is considered one of the safest cities in the hold of Georgia, so its police department is on the smaller side. And while its officers investigate all kinds of crimes, a mysterious hoax call about a triple murder is not exactly in their wheelhouse. I never worked one like that. No one in our department has ever worked one like that. Turned around, look with my guys.

I'm like, you got any idea how to start this? Thankfully, there's no grisly scene for Ben to contend with, but he's still got both hands full trying to bring a bit of order to all this chaos. We're trying to move neighbors out of their homes because they're coming out, being the old looky-loose, is there anything I need to know? Well, yeah, if 17 cops in your neighborhood, the rifles out of your neighborhood house is probably a good indication. You need to go out the back door and go somewhere else and not stand on the front porch

with your French bulldog and ask a bunch of stupid questions. Ben's busy trying to figure out his next move, while local and national media are hovering overhead searching for a scoop. Channel 2, Channel 5, Channel 11 at the time were all flying their helicopters round in circles. News chopper 2 captured Johns Creek Police and firefighters racing to the upscale gated community in North Fulton County. Word eventually makes its way to the children's parents. Mom hears about it through her friends calling her saying, oh my God, your home is on TV. she sees it, freaks out, just distraught, thinking her family's been killed. The mother races to the scene.

Bursting out of her car, she pushes through the remaining crowd of cops in her front yard, screaming after her children. She's like, where are they? Where are they? And we're like, look, the kids are fine. They were sitting in the back seat of the Fire Chiefs Tahoe. So we opened up the door, and both the ladies that are the caretakers of them are sitting there with them and they're wrapped up in these blankets. and she stared at him for a minute like she was in disbelief.

And then finally, you know, she breaks down, starts crying and hugging them. And she's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. Then she's like, why are they naked? And I was like, well, they were evidently in the bathtub when we showed up. Dad isn't too far behind. If you've ever been to Atlanta airport, CNN plays on every TV in there. So they got a live shot in there of the house, Johns Creek, home invasion, reported people shot. Well, Dad had just landed at Hartsville Jackson Airport, and just walking through the airport and looks up and he's like, that's my effing house.

He's trying to call home. Of course, no one's answering. So he's thinking the worst, too, so he gets to his car. And I'm sure he violated every traffic lawn on the man coming from the airport to his home. This whole thing might have been a sick hoax. But as those parents sped down the highway, their hands gripping the steering wheel, their heart. hearts pounding out of their chest, the fear that their children or their spouse were brutally murdered that their life as they knew it was ripped away from them was all too real.

It literally changed their lives overnight and changed their lives forever because now they look at everything in their life through a completely different lens of what they looked at it the week before. They were just a family. He's a business owner. Wife's an attorney. We've got Two small children, they're doing very well in life, and all of a sudden now, for whatever reason, somebody's targeting him and his family. And as a dad, I could see his frustration. I don't know what's going on. I don't know who's after me.

Why are they after me? The family aren't the only ones asking questions. Ben's boss, Chief Ed Densmore, is, to use a good old country phrase, matter than a wet hen. For city folks, that means he's paid. pissed. His entire department has had their time and thousands of dollars of resources wasted in front of the national media. He wants answers. He turned around and looked at me. He goes, I want you to find out who did this now. If you want a deeper look behind cut, color, kill, now is the time. Join our free newsletter at patreon.com slash the binge. And you

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make a lot of headway. He can't figure out why someone would target a perfect all-American family out of the blue. Every lead he follows takes him to one dead end after another. He's desperately searching for something that might spark a new hunch, a new thread he can grab hold of and pull. And then, of course, your chief's walking by your office every morning. Where are we at? What do you got? See, I'm right here, and I don't have a damn thing.

Ben sits down with his team to hash it all out from the start. All right, we received a phone call on this date, on this time, to the Alfred of Police Department 911 Center. And they were like, no, it didn't come through 911 Center. And I said, where do it come through? They said it went through records department on the admin line. Huh. Ben gets his hands on a recording of the original call.

Hey, it's Donna. I'm going to add on a hostage situation. He said he just shot a woman and one of her children, and he'll give the other one away free with $30,000. He's on my other line. I'm going to transfer him in. Okay. If you've been unfortunate enough to have to call 911, you'll have been automatically connected to your local emergency dispatch center.

It works through a combination of geolocation and your phone pinging off of cell towers. That tells the system where to direct your call. That way, the closest response team can jump into action. It also tracks your phone number, so if you get cut off, they can call you back. But this hoax caller didn't call me. 911, they called the police's admin line, and that complicates things. And they were counting on the administrative line transferring it to the 911 center, which would, in turn, the phone number that called would not have transferred up with it,

so it would have been the phone call and the person, but no number associated with the call. If I'm a dispatcher sitting on the end of the call, listening to that, I've got no way of knowing this isn't legit. Because at the time, you're not thinking about, does this come in on an admin line? You don't think of any of that. You just got somebody saying, hey, I got to shut my dad, I'd have shot my mom.

You know, they act like you're crying and all this other stuff. And all this other stuff. Next thing you know, you got every cop in town hauling butt over to this location. Ben gets a hold of the admin line phone records and digs through them

until he finds the right call. But something's off about it. It was like a very strange number I've never seen before. I found out this was a VOIP number. At that time, I had no idea what a VOIP number. VOIP number is. I soon found out.

VOIP stands for voice over internet protocol. Basically, it's a virtual phone number that uses the internet to make calls. They're pretty much everywhere nowadays, like WhatsApp, FaceTime, or Google Voice calls. Back in 2014, though, they're not as common. But it's what Ben learns next that finally blows the case wide open. Searching for some background info, he calls and asks the father how long he and his family have lived in the house. Man, we've lived here less than a year. Okay. Who lived here before you?

I don't know. I don't know what he was. Some kid, he was some kind of YouTube star did, like, rapping or something on YouTube. He's also a huge gamer. And I went, oh, okay. Something starts to stir in Ben's memory. We have law enforcement. Bulletin's intelligence briefings that get sent out if there's something going on.

And there had been these things popping up about swatting. These bulletins described a growing trend across the USA linked to the online gaming community and a rise in hoax calls designed to elicit a SWAT team response. You'd get a brief or two about that every now. And then I think it first started out in Los Angeles. Of course, this kind of crazy online shit might happen out there in the tech-saturated big city. Never in a million years did Ben think it would happen in his town. Plus, this cookie cutter family just didn't fit the profile of the victims in these swatting bulletins.

The parents were not online figures and the kids were too young. But if someone had tried to target the previous residents where they thought a YouTube gamer still lived, well, then that starts to make a lot more sense. Ben turns to his team. I said, this is going to be a swatier. This is going to be a swatting. Ben feels a small pang of self-doubt. He's never worked a swatting case.

He's not a gamer. He's used to hunting down criminals in the real world, not through a maze of screens and digital phone numbers. But he also feels energized. It took him a few days, sure, but now he's finally on the right track. Plus, he's a former Marine. He's not the kind of guy who's afraid of a challenge,

no matter how daunting it might seem. We never quit, no matter what. And that's one thing you got to have in law enforcement. You can't have a, well, this is too tough. I give up mentality. You have to figure out what I can do to win. Ben starts digging deeper into the VOIP number he's discovered. I realized it was a Skype number.

Now what do I do? You got to call Skype and find out what's going on with them. They're based out of Luxembourg. And I was like, well, this is wonderful. I'm going to try to subpoena from my... my country that I never even heard of. Luxembourg, which, if you're curious, is in the middle of France, Belgium, and Germany, is just the start of Ben's worldwide digital tour.

This number led me over to a VOIP company in Amsterdam. The next one sent me down to the coast of Africa. And I had another one go up into Russia. I tried to email the guy and get some information. And he didn't understand me. and he's like telling me that I needed to call him. I've never called Russia. How do you call Russia?

I dialed it up and this guy answers his phone. What do you need? And I said, this is what I need. I keep no records of such. I have not required to. Okay. I had to skip over to like two or three other countries and then finally brought me back stateside here

to some other companies here. Basically, I got a trip around the world and I got to talk to a Russian guy, which again, I thought was pretty hilarious. Ben might have enjoyed his journey around the world in 80 calls, but it ultimately doesn't get him further along in his case. He's certain he's looking at a swatting with the house's old resident as the real target,

but he still hasn't found the culprit who called in the hoax. What's more, the call could have come from anywhere in the United States, from anywhere or anyone in the world. Ben starts mulling over his next move, but he barely gets a chance to catch his breath. We had another call at the same residence a few days later. Another swatting attempt from a different caller. Thank you for home.

How can I help you? I'm currently at one of my old buddies' houses that stole like 10 grand for me, and what I want you to do is send a SWAT team, a bomb squad, and a helicopter. What address is we talk about that? What about that? Carly Lane, Alpha Red. Spell that street name, I don't know it. C-A-R-L-I-S-L-E.

Oh, Carlis-L-A-L-L-S-L-E. Oh, Carlis-L-A-L-L-A-L-L-A-P-R-E. That's in Alpharetta. Okay, and I have four... What is the phone number you're calling me? No, shut up. I have four B-118-Thervarabaric napal bombs. Uh, now I have them all set on a timer.

They go up in exactly 30 minutes. Okay. And I want a SWAT team, uh, but... I'm on a squad team, a bomb squad, and a helicopter here. And if I see any police cruisers, I'm killing everyone in the house and exploding all the bombs early. Okay? You understand that? Okay.

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same trick twice. He's like, I've got, you know, a B-Napon bomb and blah, blah, blah. Okay, okay, buddy. Yeah, you have that about like I've got a thumb growing out of my forehead right now. You don't have any of that. Given that this is the second time in less than two weeks the same house has been targeted, the cops still need to check in on the family. So they send a single officer to check everything is okay while Ben gives them the news. I called Mom and Dad. Hey.

What's going on? Has there been another call? Yes. Why is this happening to me and my family? I have no freaking... idea, man. I don't know, but I promise you, I'm going to find out he did this. And his wife was like, well, that's a mighty bold claim. Yeah, that I thought to myself, maybe I shouldn't have said that. The family aren't the only people Ben owes answers to. His police chief is still

breathing down his neck. And if Ben thought his boss was pissed when the first swatting call came through, it was nothing compared to the second. He goes, I don't know what's going on. I don't know who's doing this. I don't know why they're doing it. But I got on in the who. it is. I want somebody's tail in jail. As the weeks go by, Ben's finally making good on his promise to the family and his boss. He finds the first swatter by tracing the January 16th call back to a teenager in a small

New York town. But this teenager comes from a wealthy family with enough resources to stop Ben's investigation in its tracks. So that hits the back burner. It goes cold. I'm simultaneously working this other thing. The January 25th caller, the wannabe napalm bomber, Ben's determined he's not going to be defeated a second time. Doing the same exact thing that I did before. Ben subpoena's call records from the past 30 days for the second number.

He's looking for any connection between that and the teenager from New York that proves they were working together. I was thinking they were both connected, and I was trying to do my evidence, and I was trying to shove it together and go, These are connected. These are connected. The call logs come through a few weeks later, and it seems like this second caller has been

busy. I had no idea how much information I was about to get back on a 30-day call log from Skype, truckload of stuff. So I started going through it. Ben spends hours looking at line after line, trying to spot any interaction between the first and second callers. callers. But he can't find a single call, nothing to link the two swattings. And then it finally comes to me, I'm like, these two are not connected. I got two different guys that I'm tracking at the same time. Got nothing to do with each other as far as I know.

They don't know each other. The realization that these two hoax calls aren't linked changes Ben's whole perspective again. The first swatting had been all over the news. If this second call wasn't part of a conspiracy. Maybe it was a copycat. And if there's already one copycat, what's to stop there from being more? How many swatters could he be up against here? Ben can't shake the nagging feeling he's outnumbered,

so decides to call in some unorthodox backup. We had three high schools in our city down there, and we had some very intelligent students that work in several of the computer classes that they have down there. I'd spoke to one of the teachers. I said, hey, do you ever discuss gaming and all? He goes, oh, yeah, man, these kids love that stuff.

And I said, I have a question about an investigation I'm doing. Do you think they'd be, you know, willing to talk to me? He called him back next year. He said, I got three of them sitting right here. They love to talk about this stuff. So I drove down to high school and I said, guys, tell me what I'm looking at here. The first thing his new teenage deputies let Ben know is just how much of a challenge it can be to unveil these swatter's true identities.

They know that if they cloak themselves by enough different firewalls and BPNs and, you know, spoofy naps and multiple VOIP numbers, they have anonymity behind the screen. To me and you, it sounds like, that's a big deal to do this. They can route themselves through nine different countries in about 10 seconds. Thinking back to his digital trip to Russia via Luxembourg, Ben knows the kids are right. That's when they began to tell me about the absolute psychopaths. that are out here in the gaming world. Some of them are absolutely ruthless and relentless,

and they told me that you have to be very careful not to do anything to anger or provoke these people because they will do everything they can to destroy you. Back at the Johns Creek station, an overwhelmed Ben is at his desk, the high schooler's warning still echoing in his ears. He's looking at the towering stack of call logs on his desk, It makes war and peace look like a pamphlet.

With a heavy sigh, he picks up the first page and starts again. Looking at some of the numbers, and then I ran across one for Disneyland. A call made on the same day as the second Johns Creek swatting attempt. On January 25, 2014. And I was like, surely this guy didn't do that. On the next episode of You Are Next, Ben finds out exactly what happened at Disneyland. He said

there's a bomb at Space Mountain. And then discovers that not only is his perp on a swatting rampage. Did this guy call every one of these places? He's targeting young women and extorting them. I find out what an absolute animal

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