The Binge Crimes: Deadly Fortune - Lady Mafia | 2. Luxury Asset

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

Sara dives into the OC’s dark underbelly of dirty deals, high stakes scams, and hustlers. A mysterious new friend starts passing Sara off as his sister, and teaches her how to loan money to desperat...e people to make big returns, quickly. There’s no turning back now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:49 Sorting fact from fiction felt like sorting grains of rice. Sarah would have you believe that she went in search of love and wealth. And what the hell is wrong with that? But as I began to hear her story, even in the early days, it didn't seem to be quite that simple. I think she liked the thrill too. She was raised to be competitive, and she didn't want to just win. She wanted to win big. You can have good intentions and find yourself in a hole. A hole that seems impossible to get out of. But I also think people are who they are. Sometimes they're just looking for permission to break bad, to be who they really want to be.
Starting point is 00:02:33 And it takes someone coming into their life to activate them, to show them the way. Fasara, that man was the one who introduced her to the world of hard money lending. The guy they gave all that money to. A man by the name of Brian Quinn. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Lady Mafia. It's a story about going from lawyer to lawless, living high and blowing millions.
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Starting point is 00:05:23 to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince dot com slash cases. Sarah met the man who would derail her life in the place where she seems to meet everybody. Fashion Island at the R&D kitchen. It's very masculine. Dark leather, old school Hollywood vibes. One of Sarah's favorites. I went there to meet a girlfriend of mine
Starting point is 00:05:51 after, it was probably at three o'clock in the afternoon, and just to meet up for a drink and catch up. It's a circular bar at the center of the restaurant. That's when she saw him. Oh my goodness, it's like a scene out of the casino. The guy at the center of all the activity, a guy named Brian Quinn. He gets up, starts running around the bar, like just saying hi to everybody, telling everybody, I'm buying everybody drinks. So he literally had the bartender give everybody around. And he's just running around saying
Starting point is 00:06:22 hello, saying hello. You know, he has a slicked back hair. He's got like Gucci clothes on. He's short. He's just like the Italian mobster look. So this bubblegum gangster was treating R&D like his own personal strip club. Sara was immediately drawn to him. His brashness, his confidence.
Starting point is 00:06:42 You know, he came to me and he's like, oh, I'm going to buy your drink. And I said, you know what? I'm going to buy my own drink. So I did. And after that, he was kind of impressed. We started talking. We found out we knew all the same people.
Starting point is 00:06:54 And so from that, you know, at that day, I said, I know this sounds weird, but I'd like to be your friend. The first year or so that Sarah and Brian knew each other, they weren't close. But they'd often run into each other, they weren't close. But they'd often run into each other. It was R&D. We'd meet at Pelican Hill, the bar there. We'd meet at Fleming's Bar. Just basically like the higher-end bars we'd always meet up. And slowly but surely, you know, we became close.
Starting point is 00:07:22 It's something I started to notice about Sarah. She's a girl who likes to live a few drinks deep. Brian Quinn, for his part, is one of those guys that no one really knows what he does. The kind of guy who seemed to have a lot of secrets, but everyone knows his name. So the one thing about Brian that everybody knows is he just gets hammered drunk and then he starts dancing on bars with his shirt off. Like at Pelican Hill, we're not talking about, you know, strip club. We're talking about Pelican Hill on a bar dancing. Pelican Hill is a resort in the OC. Oh, Pelican Hill's gorgeous.
Starting point is 00:07:56 It's, you know, it's creme de la creme. To live in the villa is like $50,000 a month. It's nothing cheap. I've actually been there myself. The rooms are exquisite, with private little yards and a sprawling golf course. Very classy. But the restaurant is where the action is. Sitting at the bar at its old school steakhouse-y restaurant, I could definitely pick out the resort guests from the full-time residents by how the Italian bartender was
Starting point is 00:08:23 pouring their wine. And yet, this was the place where Sarah said you could find Brian Quinn dancing shirtless on the bar. Who was this guy? He's a riot and a lot, a lot of fun. You just, you kind of feel safe, like nothing can go wrong when you're with Brian. Sarah saw something in Brian, a freedom she envied, a swagger she wanted. He was like my brother. You know, we became fast friends. They started talking and found out that they had both lived in Rancho Santa Fe, a fancy town where Sarah's parents used to live on a golf course. He knows everybody. You know, everyone said he was a crook, but a lot of people respected him.
Starting point is 00:09:05 A lot of people respect him in big business. So I kind of just followed suit. Now, Sarah said she heard the rumors that Brian was a crook, allegedly. But that didn't stop her and Gerard from doing business with him. He was a dealmaker. So he was a third party in between two sides of a deal. You know, someone selling something, he'd find the buyer and vice versa. But with public companies.
Starting point is 00:09:27 So he was actually, it was a pretty big deal. Sarah was looking for excitement and money. How she got there was less important. And something else about her. She can be taken in. By money for sure, but most definitely by personality. Brian's charisma overpowered doubts some people had about whether this guy was a legitimate businessman. It was
Starting point is 00:09:54 party time 24-7 when you were around Brian for sure, but make no mistake, he was always wheeling and dealing. Brian was looking for investors and Gerard and Sarah were the perfect candidates. She told Brian she was frustrated with being a lawyer. There's a lot of work and not a lot of money, not enough anyways. And so he's like, oh, I have a way for you to make a lot of good money. And that is you can fund these loans. I split the interest half and half with you and the interest is high and it's on these luxury items and the loans are short term.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Brian ran a hard money lending business called Luxury Asset Lending. It's like he's a middleman. On the one side are pitiful folks who need to borrow cash quick and are supposed to repay it. On the other side are people who invest money with Brian and are looking to profit, like Sarah and Gerard. So I started with a $50,000 loan, something small,
Starting point is 00:10:53 and it all got returned fine. And then I put up to a million, I think it was $800,000 total cash in there. Money to burn, liquid cash, willing to take risks. Sarah and Gerard gave Brian cash no less than six times. When you look around at people in the OC, they look like they're living the life, but there are so many desperate people who need to keep up with the Joneses. I learned very quickly that everyone is very cash poor and everyone is a con artist in Newport Beach is also what I found out. So do you think it's like a big facade the whole Newport Beach? Yes, 100%. I've been trying to track this guy Brian down for over a year now. The guy's a freaking ghost. When I searched for his business this hilarious video came up.
Starting point is 00:11:44 It reminded me of those cheesy bear ads for the most interesting man in the world listen to this rather dramatic video a lamborghini drives out some iron gates then text comes across the screen we had a friend of the podcast read it. Luxury asset lending. Discrete and confidential lending on your luxury possessions. Do you love the finer things in life? Luxury asset lending understands your needs. As a yacht cascades past a city backdrop, the pitch continues. We specialize in discreet, short-term financing.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Most loans funded within 24 hours. It goes on for another minute, showing pictures of diamonds, private jets, and of course, the Bellagio Fountain. Not to mention, at one point, the video spells the word solely wrong. Sounds trustworthy to me. But what Sarah saw in Brian was a confident guy who could work a room
Starting point is 00:12:51 and a chance to make massive returns on her money. I mean, if this kept up, she might be able to quit her day job. Sarah felt like her relationship with Gerard had run its course. After more than 10 years together, she was ready to move out. But before she did, she called up someone else. Her new friend and big brother, Brian Quinn. I called him one night and said, meet me at, it was Gulfstream in Fashion Island. Sarah showed up at the bar before Brian did and ordered herself
Starting point is 00:13:25 a drink. It was a nice place. One of the upscale spots at the mall. It's all just kind of like old American, very high-end food and drink. There's a whole cigar bar outside at Gulf Stream where all these big players always sit and have cigars and talk business.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Sarah was pretty upset. She'd spent a decade with Javar and she wasn't really sure what the future would hold for her. She sipped her drink and waited for her friend Brian to show up. He finally did. She started telling him about what was going on with Javar, that she might decide to leave him for good. She said she was shaking as she talked.
Starting point is 00:14:03 And he was being a good big brother about it. He said, I got you. Don't you worry about anything. Brian said, why don't you come live with me at my villa in Pelican Hill? Sarah was grateful she'd found her soft landing. Sarah and Jamara officially broke up. They did continue to work together on investments and business opportunities, but in love, they went their separate ways. I mean, we had money. We both worked, so it wasn't a big deal. I just wanted to rid myself of him, so I signed over the house, the cars. I signed over everything. I had like a couple hundred thousand dollars in my bank account, and that was it. I was going on my merry way. I didn't care.
Starting point is 00:14:41 That's not totally true. Sarah makes herself sound chill about the whole breakup here, but I know for a fact she was heartbroken, at least over the dogs, Dino and Louie. And maybe it was friendly at first, but Gerard would eventually request a restraining order against her that painted a different picture. He had a new girlfriend and Sarah was ugly about it,
Starting point is 00:15:03 according to court records. He describes a pattern of stalking and threats. And he had plenty of texts to make his case. But when Sarah moved into Brian Quinn's second bedroom at his villa in Pelican Hill, she was 34. Had some cash, but not much else. Pelican Hill, I think their rooms start at $1,000 a night. So just to put it in perspective, we live there regularly. But we had two bedrooms.
Starting point is 00:15:31 It was the bathrooms. I mean, we're talking big tubs, big steam showers, maids coming every day, changing your towels. It was living the life, like really and truly. Zara said she felt relieved and that Brian was the friend she needed to start her new life. It took my mind off of the divorce, right?
Starting point is 00:15:49 So he just had me drinking all the time, partying with him, meeting all these big hoo-hahs everywhere. And it felt impressive. I felt like I was bettering my career. I felt safe with Brian as my brother. She said they drank and ate snacks and charcuterie all day.
Starting point is 00:16:05 On top of that, Brian had all this influence and money that Sarah so clearly craved. And he needed her help. When I moved in with him, he said, oh, can you raise me $10 million for my lending company? And I said, I'll try. We'll see. I don't know. And then he just kind of used me for business. But he also was there for me as a friend.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Brian started organizing these investor parties. He'd entertain big shots with deep pockets and everything was about appearances. So that's, it looks successful. He drove a white Rolls Royce. And here's some crazy shit. Sarah drove a white Rolls Royce too. I had the Don, I had the convertible, and he had the four-door. Yeah, so we were like brother and sister, like driving up to places together. It actually looked, if it wasn't such a shit story, it was cute. Brother and sister showing up at meetings in their matching white Rolls Royces.
Starting point is 00:16:58 Can't make this up. We would go to the best nightclub in Los Angeles. Brian would buy the best table in the club. He would actually hire escorts to be sitting at the table. That's all I know. And so it looked like he had a big group of girls around him. Sarah played the part of the conservative lawyer, making sure everything looked professional, under control.
Starting point is 00:17:21 He's the guy. He's the it guy that everybody wants to talk to, everybody wants to be with or around. Says whatever he pleases, doesn't really give a damn about rules or anyone else. And these men, they fell for it.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I mean, I don't want to say fell for it, but all these guys wanted to do business with Brian because of what he provided. The parties showed these guys that your life could be like this all the time
Starting point is 00:17:44 if you toss Brian a few hundred thousand dollars. And so having a lawyer around while these parties were happening was very useful to him. So Brian's this crazy party animal, right? And then everyone was comfortable with me because I'm like the sister, quote unquote, sitting in the corner, but conservatively dressed. I'd never flaunt anything. Basically keeping people in line saying, it's okay, I'm watching everything. I'll handle anything legal that comes up.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I was not sober, but I sounded sober. So I'd answered a lot of the questions. I was just the go-to for the investors for the business piece. She made the whole thing seem legitimate. In between the escorts and the bar buyouts and the free-flowing drinks, people started putting some serious money into Brian's business. They always called me the real deal because I, you know, I was always calm, cool, calm, collected.
Starting point is 00:18:38 In exchange for her help, Sarah got to live rent-free in a $30,000 a month villa and never paid for anything. Her food, her drinks, everything was always on Brian's tab. And meanwhile, she's also learning the ropes of the hard money lending business. She said she did have to cover for him quite a bit. His girlfriend lived in the villa with them, and frequently she would lie to her about where Brian was and what he was doing. She'd also have to do some cleanups after their daily visits to the bar. Seems to me, Sarah did her fair share of day drinking too. She said most mornings they
Starting point is 00:19:23 wouldn't talk. He'd head out to his office for a few hours, and by lunchtime, he'd be back in the villa. She'd prepare a charcuterie board with wine and tequila and beer for Brian, hang there for a bit, then hit the Pelican Hill bar. Brian and I would go drinking at the Pelican Hill bar after, like around 5 or 6 o'clock. Brian would get so hammered, he would start dancing on the bar, throwing his shirt up, and it was humiliating. What seemed cute at first was now just messy.
Starting point is 00:19:53 She'd apologize to everyone at the bar, tell them she was his sister. And she said that seemed to work most days. Her humiliation was a small price to pay for being on permanent vacation. At this point, she was still on the right side of legal.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Soon she wouldn't be. She had a problem. She might be living high right now off the coattails of Brian's success, but she wasn't profiting from any of that. And she certainly didn't have enough dough to invest like the guys who showed up to their investor parties. She needed to find a way to make big money. Hello, it's your beauty and wellness BFFs, and we're here to answer all your burning questions. We'll see you next time. and unfiltered thoughts always. Listen to Lipstick on the Rim now on Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. That's when it hit her. There was a way for her to make a lot of money. Doing a job that requires two things Sarah most definitely had. A law degree and discretion.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I don't have to be a lawyer. I can just be a fixer. A fixer. Let's go ahead and capitalize that F. It's usually typically with a business and we fix the reputation of the business, of the owners. Any litigation going on,
Starting point is 00:21:40 we try to control the narrative. Remember Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen? The man who tried to keep his affair with Stormy Daniels secret? That's a fixer. I mean, their legalities are that if I can find the loophole, so I am a master of loopholes. If I can find the loophole, I will do that and I will get things done. She told Brian that's what she wanted to do, and he helped her do it. He set Sarah up with clients at places like the Pelican Club and this ritzy yacht club called Balboa Bay.
Starting point is 00:22:10 We would actually go on, randomly go on a yacht with a guy who Brian knew, and to talk business, and to talk about this whole, you know, fixing business. And he said, oh, my sister can do this. She can do anything. For the rich people who did hire Sarah, she did all kinds of jobs. Really weird requests sometimes, she said. It was also billionaire trust fund boys who were in Orange County and wanted their girlfriend back. And I would literally take their phone and text message the girl for them. I mean, it was that small to millions of dollars people were trying to keep their public company alive. It sounded like a cross between a personal assistant and an enforcer. Okay. I have a client who had lots of legal issues. So I helped clear up the litigation.
Starting point is 00:23:00 And then he had all these issues with investments as well, where he wasn't getting paid on them. And he needed basically someone strong to go and bully people to get what he actually deserved. He did deserve it. He did earn it. So I would go and I would just do negotiations with all these people and bully. I would bully them. I would just straight up lie and say, I'm going to take you to court. I'm calling the FBI on you. And boom, he got paid. So it worked out. But those things also turned into, hey, my son got a DUI.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Can you fix that? And I would. I absolutely would. Or I need to go meet a senator so I can get this other job done. I would make the meeting happen. It's about as much as I can say on it because I know that any more that I get in trouble, yeah. That work, she said, paid exceptionally well. She would have several clients at a time and would build to the tune of $1,200 an hour.
Starting point is 00:23:59 She said she was bringing in about $1.2 million a year. She was finally bringing in the kind of money she wanted to be making. One of my, the fixing clients, he wanted to go to Las Vegas and he wanted me to go with him because first of all, he wanted puppies. I happened to have a puppy owner on my speed dial and I made an appointment and he said, I want to stay there for one or two nights and I want to gamble, you know, a little bit. And so I said, okay, I'll go with you. Let's go. So we stayed at the, we stayed at Encore Tower Suites. I paid for all the rooms. We drove out to Vegas together. We stopped at the puppy shop first and he chose two dogs out and he put the deposit down. I chose my dog, which is Kula, which I love her to death. Still my dog now. So we go back to the hotel, but he's like, okay, I want, I need a hooker.
Starting point is 00:24:47 And I was like, okay, well, I guess that's my job. So I go online, some website to look to me, to have a good eye on how good looking a girl is. And so, you know, I would set it up and whatever they did and they transacted as on them. I didn't transact. Then when he was done, he would meet me for a cocktail at the bar. So, you know, he, I would hold onto his money while he gambled. He would drink so much that he would just, I mean, tens of thousands of dollars would go in a minute. But it turned out that I was there more to facilitate the strip clubs, the limos and the strip clubs. And I had to, you know, talk to the girls at the strip club so that they would go home with them. And, and it became, I to, you know, talk to the girls at the strip club so that they would go home with them,
Starting point is 00:25:26 and it became, I was, you know, the pimp of the night, essentially. With fixing, Sarah had gone from making questionable investments to taking a full step off the straight and narrow path, and she knew it. Most of them are shady. That's who needs a fixer, typically. Otherwise, you can just use a regular lawyer. They knew they were playing with legal lines, right? They knew what they were doing is wrong. And I would go, I would be by
Starting point is 00:25:56 their side to make sure they didn't get caught and we could mitigate all potential liability. The money was good, but it wasn't exactly glamorous work. I had to make the party go. But again, I made everybody sign NDAs and I was actually at the strip clubs. I had to sit in there, which is horrible. I had to sit in the strip club in their little whatever private room to make sure that no one was going to pull anything because I'm a witness, right? So, oh, yeah, I had to watch it all. Sometimes, she said, she'd pay one of the strippers a bit extra just to give her a shoulder massage while she waited for her client to be done. At first, I felt overwhelmed with what am I going to do? And then the second feeling that
Starting point is 00:26:39 came over me is, wow, I'm one of the boys at the table who they trust me with these things. I'm going to make their life better, and I'm going to become this big deal in Newport Beach, who everybody pays millions of dollars just to go and hire. But, she said, these weren't just rich people paying her a lot of money. They were influential, too. Whatever Sarah did next, the business positioned her well for her next move. She thought. I just, I wanted to be the it girl, you know.
Starting point is 00:27:10 I wanted to be the, I wanted to have a seat at the boys' table and without sleeping around. You know, I wanted to have the career moves that made it happen. I wanted my abilities to help me become the best. And that's what they all saw me as. Everyone called me for everything. Sarah had 10 projects going on now at any one time. She was trying to build her own empire. Between learning about hard money lending to fixing to any other business opportunity that came her way.
Starting point is 00:27:37 She was comfortable in chaotic situations and it proved to be quite useful. She was, you could say, her own luxury asset. But Zara was hungry for more. There's a reason money and vice make great bedfellows. Something that fascinates me about Zara, she doesn't just want money and power. I realize how corny it is to say this, but she also wanted love. She was always one spinning plate too many.
Starting point is 00:28:16 And while things were unraveling with Gerard, she met someone. Oh boy, did she meet someone. It was an afternoon in May 2018 when it all started. Sarah was invited by Brian Quinn to a business meeting about a potential investment. It was at the Center Club in Costa Mesa, not far from Newport Beach. The place is now closed, but Yelp remembers it as a kind of spot that had white napkins, wood paneling, and thick cuts of steak. Like you get a little slab of cake,
Starting point is 00:28:55 and chef decorates the plate with sauces like he's Jackson fucking Pollock. I met him at a table with Brian Quinn, Joseph Medawar, with my ex-husband Gerard Jamal, and myself and Cameron, we met to do a real estate investment deal. Let's go through this list because it's like felon, felon. I know. Felon, felon. But I'm in there too now, shit. Okay, but I'm in there too now, so shit.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Okay, I got a little ahead of myself. Not everyone there was a felon. But the table was pretty stacked. Let me break this table down for you. Seat number one was Brian Quinn, Sarah's brother from another mother. At this point, he hadn't been indicted for anything yet. And seat number two was Joseph Medawar, who was already notorious in Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:29:44 He defrauded people of millions to fund a fake television show that was supposedly about the Department of Homeland Security. He got actual senators to read his scripts. Then he pocketed the money that was supposed to be used to make the thing. By this lunch, Medawar was a convicted felon and had already served hard time. You're kind of stunned if you're not used to that world. You hear this convict, right, this guy who's been in federal prison, and you just think to yourself, well, he's nice. He's never hurt me. Then there's Sarah, who, well, for now, let's just say she's no angel.
Starting point is 00:30:24 And her business partner and husband, Gerard, was there. So was a new guy, a man by the name of Cameron Pallavy, Prince Cameron Pallavy. He looks like a male model. Thick, dark hair, green eyes, chiseled, good looks. Look up the word smoldering and his picture's right there in the dictionary. And did you know he was royalty? Did he talk about being a prince? Oh yeah, Joseph Matawar made him huge, right?
Starting point is 00:30:52 This is the prince of Iran, he's part of our group, and he's, you know, he invested all this money into our fun. So Matawar was convincing Sarah that this prince was an investor in his real estate business. At first, I was in awe, right? So I'm a lawyer. I don't know these types of guys. And I'm kind of, I'm in shock. I don't even understand everything they're saying. I'm Googling words as they're talking. I don't know what, you know, EBITDA is at the time. And so, yeah, I was just taken aback by the pizzazz of it all. EBITDA, earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Basically, they're talking about how profitable a business could be. We're all sitting at a round table and we're discussing, you know, the details of the real estate fund. And I start asking some questions. Brian asks questions. And that's when Joseph Medawar had introduced us to the head of the fund to try and help them and work through their issues.
Starting point is 00:31:53 But with Cameron, he was there just eating chips. He kept eating tortilla chips, like one after another and not saying anything and drinking rosé wine. That's his whole role was to just sit there and be like the Prince of Iran. After the meeting, Sarah would go and crunch the numbers. They didn't add up. So Sara called up the prince, asked him about the deal.
Starting point is 00:32:14 I said, but this guy's been in prison, and what's going on? And he told me the truth. He said, I didn't invest. He didn't invest? Sara had seen her fair share of scammy business opportunities at this point. What she couldn't quite figure out was this man, Cameron Pahlavi, smoking hot, a prince to the former Shah of Iran. Sara's dad is from Iran. To meet a descendant of the Shah is a big, big deal. The Shah was supported by the U.S., but overthrown in 1979 and replaced by the Islamic Republic. Cameron was the last Shah's grandnephew. The Pahlavi family has been living in exile from Iran since Cameron was five years old.
Starting point is 00:33:00 So, what was the Shah's grandnephew doing at this country club pitch meeting? What he told Sarah was baffling. He said he was just lending the whole operation an air of credibility. Sarah was still married, but that didn't stop her from thinking about Cameron. Who was this mysterious, tortilla- didn't stop her from thinking about Cameron. Who was this mysterious tortilla chip eating prince? As Sarah left her home with Drawer, she called Cameron crying. And the two ended up getting together at a hotel lobby bar in Beverly Hills. We did a two hour dinner at Jean Georges in Beverly Hills.
Starting point is 00:33:41 And I felt something. I can't explain it. And to this day, I wish I never did, but I felt the connection of some sort. And we, we just, we hit it off. He just kissed me good night on the cheek. He paid for the dinner and I went home that night. It was not the last dinner you ever paid for. Yes. Great question, Michelle. Yes. Yeah. Cause I paid for everything else. But Sarah wasn't worried about the tab. Sparks were flying as Jean Georges in Beverly Hills. He's actually like a very respectful, very classy person who we just started talking about everything and we clicked.
Starting point is 00:34:19 There was a moment of like, wow, this is he's cute. And, you know, we're getting along really well. And soon, Sarah, the daughter of an Iranian immigrant, and Cameron, a descendant of the Shah, were an item. Next time on Lady Mafia. Sarah was dead set on keeping her new man, his good looks and pedigree. She wanted to help him, support him, and prove that she was enough. I always felt like I was never good enough because he's like this prince, right? So he's had every supermodel girlfriend in the world. And I'm like, what do
Starting point is 00:34:54 you, what do you like about me? But that's fine. It was, I always tried to prove I was enough to him. Her desperation would cloud her judgment. and she'd end up making a deal for Cameron that would jeopardize everything. right now by subscribing to the Binge Podcast channel. Not only will you immediately unlock all episodes of this show, but you'll get binge access to an entire network of other great true crime and investigative podcasts, all ad-free. Plus, on the first of every month, subscribers get a binge drop of a brand new series. That's all episodes, all at once. Search for The Binge on Apple Podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page. Not on Apple? Head to getthebinge.com to get access wherever you listen. Lady Mafia is an original production of Sony Music Entertainment.
Starting point is 00:36:06 It was hosted and reported by me, Michelle McPhee. Odelia Rubin is our lead producer. Jonathan Hirsch wrote this episode with a little help from me. Catherine St. Louis is our story editor. Shara Morris and Jonathan Hirsch are our executive producers. Sound design and mixing by Scott Somerville. Theme and original music composed by Hans Dale Shee. Thank you. Tamika Balans-Kolasny. Special thanks to Steve Ackerman, Emily Rosick, Jamie Myers, and Allie Kiltz.

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