The Binge Crimes: Lady Mafia - Friendly Fire | 3. He's in Here

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

Lori decides to conduct her own investigation. She speaks to two witnesses who were there when John John was shot—and they share a different, and troubling, version of events. An innocent man questions why his name was dragged into the case. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So John John's death was an accident? A tragedy born out of a few seconds of fear and confusion in a meth lab? That's what Laurie Yancey's been told. Not only by a press conference on TV, but also by Scott County's chief detective, Robbie Carson. Eventually, he'll draft a six-page report laying out exactly what he thinks happened. That Marty mistakenly believed he was defending himself. But before any of that, just a few days after the shooting, Robbie goes to Lori's house and tries to sketch out what happened. I remember him drawing the diagram on a blue piece of paper of the trailer.

He said that they went to the front door of the trailer and that Marty went on in and he told John John not to come in to stay out. And he said John John went in anyway. So Robbie, I almost felt like he was saying, you know, it's John John's fault because he went on in the trailer after Marty told him to stay out. In the prosecutor's version of events that we heard at the press conference the day after John John's funeral, he said Marty believed he was the only officer in the mobile home. But he didn't mention that Marty explicitly told John John to stay outside. In fact, he said almost the opposite, that John John, being a dutiful partner, would have rushed inside when he heard a commotion. Sergeant Yancey had come in, probably out of concern for Officer Carson's safety. Marty's confused. He shoots. John John's dead. An accident.

Yet even more curiously, in Marty's statement to investigators hours after the shooting, he didn't mention telling John John to stay out either. It seems like a pretty big detail. It seems really like almost the first detail one would blurt out. My God, I told him to stay outside. I didn't know he was there. So why not mention it? And I was, just these little things just started to things just started to seem very odd, very suspicious. I'm just hearing different things.

So we have got to get down to the bottom of this, the details. From Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment, this is Season 2 of Witnessed, Friendly Fire, Episode 3. I'm Sean Flynn. I'm Indra Varma, and in the latest season of The Spy Who, we open the file on Daphne Park, the spy who killed a prime minister. As the Belgian Congo gains its independence, Officer Park sets out to build a spy network. Together, they're about to go to new extremes to keep Congo free of communists.

Follow The Spy Who now wherever you listen to podcasts. Not quite two weeks after she buried her husband, Laurie found herself driving to Williams Creek Road, to the mobile home where her husband died. Laurie's wondering if she's on the same route John John took, and she realizes that no matter how small Scott County is, she's never actually been on Williams Creek Road. The road is only six miles from her house, but then it's another four on a long, windy two-lane to Ryan's place. It takes almost half an hour. It is just an eerie feeling when you pull up in that driveway.

I'm almost just putting myself back in John John's shoes. I'm just thinking about what could possibly be going through his mind at this time. I'm sure he's just thinking they're just going in there to investigate the call that they've got with this, you know, guy. They're making meth here. When Lori gets there, she meets with Ryan Clark. He was living there with his girlfriend, Nikki, who's also there when Lori comes. Ryan's not a bad guy. Before John John got shot, he spent most of the day playing board games with his girlfriend, Nikki, who's also there when Lori comes. Ryan's not a bad guy. Before John John got shot, he spent most of the day playing board games with his daughter. She was eight, and she

mostly stayed with Ryan's parents, who lived in a nice house just up the hill. Because, well, because Ryan had a serious drug problem at the time. He started using when he was 15. He'd been to rehab and hadn't worked. His parents owned the mobile home. I just went and talked to Ryan and the parents. They just, Ryan was very apologetic. He just hated that that had happened. I think they were just in shock how quickly things escalated. The night it happened, Ryan says he'd been awake for 20 days.

Methamphetamine is a stimulant. Soldiers took it to stay awake in World War II. It also causes your brain to release a huge amount of dopamine, which makes you feel good. And it prevents your brain from reabsorbing that dopamine. So you feel good for a long time relative to, say, cocaine. You're alert, energized, and euphoric. If you've got enough supply, you can stay that way for days. Ryan was walking through the woods when Marty and John John pulled into his driveway. Two more officers, Sergeant Donnie Phillips and part-time deputy Carl Newport, pulled up moments later. Marty's Jeep and Donnie's Blazer were parked at the end of the single-wide, outside the back bedroom where Mark was cooking meth. Ryan knew John John and Marty.

They'd all lived in Scott County their entire lives. It's hard not to know people. They weren't friends. John John and Marty pulled him over a few times. Mostly, Ryan tried to avoid cops. Ryan stayed in the yard and talked to John John. He remembered watching Marty knock on the back door. John John asked if he was going to have to get a warrant to search the place.

But then Nikki let Marty in, and it didn't matter. A minute later, maybe less, John John ran toward the door. The next thing he knew, it was a gunshot. And Ryan ran toward the woods. Just in a matter of minutes, he had been shot. She says Ryan and Nikki are walking her through this. They showed us, you know, where John John was standing in the back, you know, and we went inside the trailer. I was just not expecting the trailer layout to look like it did when I went in.

I didn't expect it either. I walked through it in 2008 when I was reporting this story for GQ. And all of the statements, all of the reports, Marty was in a hallway in the bedroom with the guy he said he was afraid of, was at the end of that hallway. But that word, hallway, it gives you the wrong idea. It's a really small space, more like a cubicle than a hallway. When you step inside the back door,

there's a bathroom across from you and a little to your right. If you turn your head 90 degrees to the right, you'll be looking at that back bedroom I just mentioned. The distance between the back door where you came in and that bedroom is seven feet eight inches. That's a little longer than a mattress. Three small steps, door to door. And this little space is less than five feet wide, half of which is taken up by a washing machine. It's cramped. Marty, in his statement, went from the door where he came in

toward the bedroom. But then he got scared that someone in that bedroom was going to shoot him. So he stepped into the bathroom for cover. He turned and was looking out of the bathroom. So from my understanding, he thought the person had come out of the bathroom. So from my understanding, he thought the person had come out of that back bedroom, you know, and was advancing on him.

That's the reason he shot. At that point, the bedroom where Marty said he thought there was a man with a shotgun was immediately to his left. That's where he said the threat was. Anyone coming into the mobile home, meanwhile, would be coming from his right. So. John John is entering in the opposite way of where these two people are in this back bedroom.

If he was going to shoot, why didn't he shoot that direction, not the opposite direction of the person that just came through that door, the same door he came through. There were only two people in that cramped little hallway that night. More than two wouldn't fit. One of them, John John, is dead. The other, Marty, shot him. There were also two people in the bedroom, Mark and Penny. They didn't see anything, and they ran into the woods the first chance they got. But there was one more person inside that night.

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or you can binge it ad free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. You're going to hear audio from two different interviews with Nikki, the witness inside. The clearer audio is from an interview she gave a couple of years after that night. The less clear tape is from just a few weeks after the shooting. You'll hear some of both. Here's her side of the story. Nikki said she'd been sleeping all day and that she was sober that night and had been for days. I heard her knock on the door. I went and answered the door and Marty Carson's standing at

my door. He said, there's something going on around here. I need to know if I can come in and talk to you for a minute. And I was like, you know, I really don't want to invite him in my house. But I said, yeah, you can come in and talk to me. She didn't want him to come in because Mark and Penny were in the bedroom, less than eight feet away, cooking methamphetamine. Penny had only lived there for a week because she'd been in jail in the next county over. Mark had been there for two. He needed a place to stay. Ryan had an extra room, and Mark knew how to cook meth. He said Ryan bought all the ingredients, the matches, the cold medicine, the Coleman fuel, everything but the iodine, and Mark did the cooking.

At the time, his third batch, three grams, had about an hour and a half to go. He and Penny were both asleep. Marty asked Nikki if anyone else was in the trailer. I told him no. But light was leaking through a gap under the back bedroom door. I mean, it was obvious there was somebody in there. Marty stepped inside and was hollering at the door. He said, I can see you moving in there.

Come out. He's like, I see your shadow. And at this time, he drawed his gun. He was pretty nervous. I've been pulled over by Marty and John John a lot, and they were always real calm, cool, and collected. But he was real nervous. Nikki says Mark responded with a threat. Mark hollered back at him, saying that he was going to kill Penny. Kill Penny. Mark denied that, by the way, and Penny didn't mention it either.

But in her first interview at the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Nikki says he was very specific. He just said, you've got five seconds to get out of here or I will kill her. She also said she didn't take him seriously. And I just rolled my eyes like, you know, you're not going to do that, whatever. But Nikki's not a police officer. Marty couldn't afford not to take that seriously. Marty took a couple steps in, which is, in our trailer, is not very many steps.

So he's inside the door. Here's where things are a little different from the story we've heard so far. She says Marty then sort of twists and leans his head out the back door. He hollered at John John and said, John, he's in here. Come in here. And he said, John, he's in here. Come in here. And he said, boys, they're in here. John, he's in here. Come in here.

That's a lot different than stay out. She says John John was outside talking to Ryan when Marty called for him. And he immediately came on the porch and came inside. And at that point, I backed up a little bit into the kitchen. And I wasn't like fully in the kitchen. I could see a little bit, you know, two cops come in your house with guns drawn and kind of get out of the way. Marty approached the bedroom door first. And I never heard anything after John John came in.

I never heard him say, come out or anything like that. And everything went really fast. In Nikki's version, unlike Marty's, Marty never took cover in the bathroom, at least not that she could see. The bedroom door never opened. Instead, Marty was standing in the hallway, in a space no bigger than a large closet, with his gun drawn, facing the bedroom door. And then John John came in right behind him. I mean, if he'd have turned around, he'd have hit him.

He was directly behind him. And then, very quickly, she heard something. A bunch of footprints, like, stomping up against the wall. I mean it was like, you know, like a dis-escaped, like somebody was ratcheting in the hallway. You could hear like noises that hit the wall, hit the dryer, like when you bump into a dryer or a washer. I thought they were dragging Mark out of the bedroom, but the door never opened. Because you can hear the door when it opens it's

almost like a bang when you slam a door but it's opening there wasn't any screaming there wasn't any talking there wasn't any you know come out with your hands up there wasn't anything and then there was a shot And I just started screaming immediately. I came around the corner and Marty was facing John John. And John had backed up against the wall. And he said, John, are you okay? Are you all right? And he said, no, I've been shot. And he just went down on the ground, like with his feet out and his back up against the wall. And Marty pulled his legs down

to lay him flat. Marty looked up at me and said, holler for Donnie Phillips. He was just looking around. He didn't, you know, know what to do. Donnie Phillips was one of the other two deputies posted outside. He was watching the end of the building. Apparently, Marty had forgotten about the man he thought had a shotgun in the bedroom. He put his gun back in his holster, and he was facing the door where he and John John had come in. In fact, he had his bike to the bedroom. Nikki went on the porch and yelled for Donnie.

She says Donnie came around the corner of the home from the front. Donnie never entered the trailer. He came to the front of the porch, and that was it. Marty went outside, and I didn't see anybody for a long time and I sit down for uh beside John for a minute and I was pacing the floors I got back up and I went into the kitchen and I came back to John John and I went back into the kitchen when I went back into the kitchen the second time I heard the door open to the bedroom and I turned around and looked and Mark and Penny were stepping over John. And I looked at Mark and I said, don't leave. And they just looked at me and ran.

I kneeled down beside John John and I was holding his hand. I didn't know what to do. I mean, you could tell the look in his eyes. He was going white. And I just kept screaming out the door, you know, please help, somebody help. I was like, your friend is dying in here. And nobody came. I never heard anything.

Please help. Your friend's dying. And she's the I never heard anything. Please help. Your friend's dying. And she's the one holding his hand. It felt like a good eight to ten minutes. I mean, it was just forever. I knew it was just the longest feeling. I mean, somebody's laying there dying in my hallway, and there was nobody coming to help him.

You know, why isn't there cops in here doing something? I didn't know what to do. I didn't know. I mean, I knew CPR, but at that time, I didn't know to do it. I was just hysterical, you know. And I was just on my knees crying, you know, begging him not to die on me. And I asked him not to die and he squeezed my hand. And then pretty soon after that I watched his heart quip like in his chest. It just slowed to you

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Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. Marty didn't go back into the mobile home for several minutes. He didn't go inside with either of the other two officers already on scene. Donnie Phillips said he was scared. After the gunshot, he was crying and praying in the yard. The other deputy, Carl Newport, the older part-timer, was focused on watching the front. Instead, Marty waited for the first backup officer to arrive, a rookie.

And the two of them started CPR. The other officer started doing compressions, and Marty gave him a breath. And I did a couple more compressions and gave him another breath and that was it. And then Marty got up and left again and left the other officer in there with me. By the time the ambulance came, John John's skin was gray and cool to the touch. He had no pulse, and he wasn't breathing. The medics noted there was a lot of blood. They started CPR on the way to the hospital, but John John was already dead. The rookie left inside with Nikki, told her to sit

in the living room, don't go anywhere. She was the only one of the four people staying at Ryan's who didn't run, but by, she really had to pee. She couldn't wait. The cop was reluctant, but he let her go to the bathroom. Well, when I was using the bathroom, I noticed a gun behind the toilet. A gun. Behind the toilet. You know where you turn the water on and where the pops go through the floor?

It was behind that. And I looked at the cop and I told him there was a gun right here. And he said, okay, just leave it. And it wasn't like laying on its side. It was set up on its tip in the butt. So like in a triangle shape. Almost like someone balanced it against the wall. It wasn't like it slid over there or anything.

It was set there. You could tell. It was like up on a triangle. It was weird. A lot of things seemed weird. I mean, I thought they were friends. Best friends. And if, you know, I thought they were friends, best friends. And if, you know, I figured he would have done more to try to save him.

Or at least try to help him if he couldn't have saved him. The sense of urgency was not there. It was just, it just took so long for anybody to come to his aid at all. And it was like I was the only one there, me and him forever. What I saw and what I went through isn't something that you easily forget. It's something I go through every day and every time I close my eyes. There were some differences in Nikki's interviews. The night of the shooting, right after it happened, she said three officers came into the trailer.

Marty, John John, and someone else. Later, in an interview at the TBI... You know there were two. You know there were John John and Marty. Mm-hmm. I can't clear it up. I can't clear it up I can't clear it up she could have sworn there were three

I'm not sure I know there was She knows there were two for sure. For the most part, though, she told the same story weeks and then years later. And when Lori hears Nikki's version of events that day at Ryan's, there was one thing, one seemingly tiny detail that stood out for her. Almost everyone calls John John, John John. But I did know that Marty called him John. He just called him John. Quick fact check here. From what I could tell, that's true. Some people called him John. Most didn't. Marty, John John Nancy, and I don't know him. John John says, Lonnie, I know they ain't nothing

in that Bronx. A wonderful public servant. John's on the answer. Who's your brother-in-law? John John. Yeah. And an interview taped from Marty, he called him John John a few times, but he says John a lot more. You'll hear this later, but here's what we're

talking about. And Shelly John had dealt with him sometime in the past and hear John say, well, do we need to get a search for her? I go to John, keep looking back and informing John that this was not the guy. In both of Nikki's interviews,

she called him John John almost every time, but always switches to John when she's quoting Marty. This was 12 weeks after the shooting. And this was a couple of years after. And then he hollered at John John and said, John, he's in here. Come in here.

And he said, boys, they're in here. That's what Lori was hearing from Nikki, this switch when she's quoting Marty. So I thought, yeah, people just don't know that. You can't make this up, you know. Lori decides, almost in that very minute, that she finds Nikki more credible than the detective who told her Marty yelled for John John to stay outside. So when I go and talk to Ron Clark's parents and Ron and Nicole, they are just very open. They're very forthcoming and their stories were consistent. And it does seem like the people in the trailer are more truthful than the sheriff's department.

Very thankful that she was with him, held his hand, that he didn't die there alone by himself. Very angry and upset with Marty that how can you leave your partner, whether he shot him or anybody, how do you just leave your partner, whether he shot him or anybody, how do you just leave your partner there? And that he's still in danger, even if it was the suspects in the back room. Why would you not try to get him out of there? There's something else Lori can't get straight. What happened with this guy Mark knew? The one all the cops were looking for that night, supposed to be armed and dangerous, the one who was never at Ryan's place. At the press conference,

a reporter wanted to know about Mark New, too. And the other question I had, the fifth suspect. He asks, what happened to the fifth suspect? APB means All points bulletin an alert from one police agency to all the others and it was his photo was being

passed around is that person being involved I have no knowledge of a fifth suspect I only know about four all of whom are now charged and will be brought up in court this afternoon. Well, it was reported on the news

and I've actually seen this uh, flyer that was uh, being used by deputies to fill suspects. Okay. The District Attorney General, Paul Phillips, turns

to the Sheriff's deputies and police officers standing behind him. Do you know what he's talking about? Robbie Carson, the chief detective, steps in. To start with, we were looking for an individual with a new name, Mark. Well, but that person, there's no evidence of that person. It was just a name that came up. They say it was just a mistake, that they got a couple of Marks confused. Like it's not that big of a deal.

It is for Mark New. Why you? That's the million dollar question. Did they explain how they could make such an enormous mistake? I think the only thing I ever heard was that Marty claimed he was so shook up that he didn't know why he joded my name out there. See, that's what I'm saying to you. There's none of it that makes any sense. Nothing.

Again, Mark knew had nothing to do with John John Yancey being dead or with manufacturing drugs, and yet his name was dragged into it. The night of the shooting, Mark hunkered down with his wife at the time, Paula. Paula told Mark that things would be all right in the morning. She was putting on a brave face because she was actually really terrified. But dawn came and Paula's sister called,

told her cops had been to their pastor's house looking for Mark. And I even went out and looked in the snow. Like I said, there was a little bit of snow on it to see if I could see any car tracks or anything. Paula called the sheriff's department in a panic. She told them that Mark was at home and had been all night. Come and look, and they'd see there were no footprints in the snow. We go to her mom and dad's house and call from there. They tell us, oh, it's a big misunderstanding.

Don't worry about it. We're taking care of everything. It was all a mistake. We'll take care of it. We was like, well, it's running on the radio. It's on the air. Yeah, it affected me. It got to where I was a night owl.

I didn't even go places. And if I seen people, I tried to dodge them. I wouldn't go anywhere without there was somebody in the car with me. Because if they tried it that night, what was to say they wouldn't pull me over, say I didn't signal or something, changing lanes, you know, if they caught me at the right place and killed me then. I never stopped having that feeling that, yeah, if they get me in the right place, they'll kill me. It had an effect on my whole life.

We had a furniture store and I had a car lot. Somebody comes in to buy a car and all they want to do is sit and drill you about what's the deal with this. You're supposed to be, he killed a cop. That interferes with you trying to sell the car. When you tell them the whole story and they turn and walk away, in your mind, you're still thinking, does he believe me? After that, everything started falling apart. Family, business, my nerves. Mark and Paul divorced a couple years after that night.

Maybe they would have anyway. But he never shook the feeling that something unsettling was going on in Scott County. If he could get fingered for a cop killing, even by mistake, what else could happen? I wanted out of that town. And I came back to my hometown where I thought I'd be safe and built this house that we're sitting in right now. Did you feel safer when you got up here? Yes, sir. The day after Lori buried John John, she found out from a press conference on television

that Mark New was never anywhere near that trailer, that the district attorney general in fact had no idea who Mark New even was. That's just one of many things that weren't making sense to her. For the record, there was no Mark, New or otherwise, on any most wanted list at the time, state or federal, which was a tip that Marty said came from John John's informant. There was never a shotgun either, which remember, was the weapon that Marty said had him so scared, scared crapless, that he fired a blind round through an open doorway. A shotgun supposedly carried by a man that dozens of cops spent hours looking for. Then Lori finds out her husband's gun was tucked up behind the toilet, another unexplainable thing. And finally, Nikki Porter, who was standing right there when John

John got shot, she told Lori that Marty definitely yelled for John to come inside, and there was a scuffle right before he shot him and killed him. Lori is now thinking very dark thoughts. So you believe at this point that this was no accident? Right. Yeah, definitely by this point. I want to believe this is no accident. So within two weeks of losing your husband, you're convinced that his partner intentionally shot him? Yes. Yes.

Mr. Carson, we're on the record. You were sworn yesterday. Is that correct? Yes. You understand you're under oath today? Yes. Next time on Witnessed Friendly Fire. But you were sure it was not Mark New that you were looking for? Yes, we were sure. Marty's version of events.

Can any of this be explained? And nothing about the events that occurred in the trailer, including John John being shot, changed your understanding that Mark New was not your suspect? No, it didn't change my understanding. So why was there a manhunt for Mark New was not your suspect? No, it didn't change my understanding. So why was there a manhunt for Mark New that night? I have no idea. I was not involved in any manhunt.

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