The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: A Christmas Bonus! + We Attempt to Play a New Game + Arkansas Women's Head Basketball Coach Mike Neighbors

Episode Date: December 25, 2023

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avoid or prohibited see draftkings.com for details now this is a special christmas episode um this is not a rerun we did a couple really cool best ofs but this is not a rerun i bought these cards kevin called sport trivia the problem is some of the sports on here are from sports i don't even know what that is across oh is that uh um that's not lacrosse no cricket okay that is cricket so this could be a disaster game here yeah i don't know anything about it okay okay you take these. Don't read any questions yet. Read. I'm going to give you these. Pass us over to read, please. And then I'll take these. Okay. And let's keep score. First one to ten. Let's go. Buzz in it when you know your name.

I mean, Bobby. I was like, I know my name. Buzz in with your name. I'll tell you what, we'll do 10 rounds. Okay. That way, everybody, it's even. Okay. Okay, ready? I'll go first. Yep. Commemorating a French World War I pilot, by what name is the French Open commonly referred to? Yeah, I see some of these are going to be tough. I know this one only because I had a friend who played the French Open, but that's the only reason I wouldn't know it otherwise.

It's a sports fan because I don't watch tennis. I don't have any friends that played in the French Open. Only Australian. It's a sport, or is it part of a sport? Commemorating a French World War I pilot. By what name is the French Open commonly referred to? Jean Francois Love it

Not right If you have no idea You're not gonna get it Yeah no Just say a little French name Yeah no Roland Garros Yeah

Nope no clue Never heard of Go ahead Kevin All right Who won the inaugural World Cup in 1930 Bobby I don't know

Brazil No I'm gonna go I'm gonna go I was gonna say Africa It's not Africa I don't know because I just

I feel like that's so wrong. I'm going to go Africa. Okay, it's wrong. Uruguay. Okay, see? Go ahead. Okay, geez. There we go. All right. What is Rocky Marciano's real name? John. Marciano.

No. Kevin? Don't let him see the card there, Reed. Bob. Nope. What is it? It is Rocco Marchagiano. We got none so far. Dang.

It's going to be a lot. along. This could suck. Maybe five. Next up, one down. In which country is the famous Eden Garden Stadium located? Oh. Breed.

Greed. In correct. Kevin. Kevin. England. Incorrect. Dang. Everybody knows it's India.

Oh, gee. I would never guess. Go ahead, Kevin. What term is used when a player achieves three strikes in a row? Strike out, Bobby. Wrong. What? What sport is this?

No hit or read. Wrong. Turkey? Oh, bowling. Oh, I don't know. I didn't know. Oh, God. Three strikes.

Hold on a second. It says it up here. And I got like 10 cricket questions in a row. I got all bowling. Okay, whatever you have, ask that one, whatever you have. And then we'll eliminate the crappy ones. Okay. Go ahead.

Got it. Oh, okay. Go ahead. This one. All right, y'all better be ready here. Don't say that kind of crap, just to ask the question. What does? TKO stand for.

Technology knockout. Yep. Dang. That's, dang. Okay, so that's two rounds. Unless it's a sport that we know, football, baseball, basketball, if it's an American sport, NASCAR, tennis is okay. Cool.

Bobby won, everyone else, zero. Yes. But we won't do two, because there's a lot of tennis in a row. You can only do one. I think they needed to be shuffled. Yeah, that's a point out of the box. That's how you know I had. No idea.

All right. Ready, the category is. Football. Which country was the first world? Oh, football is soccer. I was going to, yeah. Which country was the first World Cup host to get knocked out of the first round of the competition? Japan.

Switzerland. South Africa. USA. Kevin. Kevin. Switzerland. Incorrect. Read South Africa.

Correct. Yeah! Come on, baby. Dang. I'm not going to do any soccer football. I love the multiple choice. Okay, so I thought you were just making up countries as you were going. I was pretty good.

But there's actually a multiple choice ones. This is the worst trivia box ever because I need some of your cards. Because all I have is international football and tennis. Just give me something. Don't read them. It's where you play easy trivia. That's right. Yes, yes.

Okay. And go ahead, Kevin, category. Baseball. Yeah. In baseball, the position known as one is for which player? Bobby. Yep. Position is one.

What do you mean? O&E or one? So you know there's nine people in the field. Uh-huh. So each position has a number. Yep. Yeah. Because one, I think, would be first base, but it's pitcher because one, six, four, three, double play, six shortstop.

One, got this. Okay. Uh, read you're up. Okay. All right. What is the diameter of an ice hockey pop? Pock. Puck.

Jesus. Is he having a stroke? Is he having a stroke? Of an ice hockey puck in inches, an inches. Kevin. Hmm, 1.1. Bobby's measuring over here. You said 1.1?

Yeah. I'm going to go... Diameter. Wrong, three inches. I measure everything a little bigger. I was waiting for that joke. Yeah, thank you. No, you weren't.

All right. Next up, I'm mixing them up. We should do this every time. Just mix them up. The category is motor racing. Oh. How many points do you get for winning a NASCAR race? Multiple choice?

Can I... Phone a friend. No, Morgan. Do you know Morgan? All right, here we go. Okay, go ahead. A, 40, B, 50, C, 60, D, 80. Kevin, Kevin.

50. Incorrect. Read. 60. Incorrect. Would you guess 40? That'd have been 40. Dang.

All right, Kevin. Golf. How many golf clubs is a player allowed in their bag for a round? Bobby. Read. Good. 13. Wrong?

14. Yep. Oh, come on, baby. He's got two? No, one. He's two. Oh, he's two. Oh, my God.

If Reed wins this. Two to two, Kevin. Zero. Oh, here we go. All right. Touchdowns were originally worth four points with the introduction of scoring in 1883, but in what year,

did the value increase to six points? You have to stop reading the question when we yell our name. Kevin. Oh, sorry. It's multiple choice. He already yelled his name. Okay.

Let's go again Read the question Read all of them We'll buzz in when we think we know But when someone buzzes in You have to stop read the question Okay, got it Because you should have screwed me at the beginning

When I buzzed in Oh, that's true Okay Yeah Go ahead Touchdowns were originally We're just give us the years You said restart

The years, go ahead 1892 1902 1912 1922 Kevin 1922 Wrong

1912 Correct I just was going to let you take the one and four shot You think there's only 25% chance you could get it And then hopefully I could get that 33% chance All right next up It's round five The category is golf

If a ball is hit dangerously What number Should you shout? Read Four Correct I'm up Four

Okay Are we doing bowling? It's up to you No I mean I would not knowing any of them up. I'm trying to find ones that will at least kind of know the answer to. All right, baseball. Yeah.

Who won the World Series in 2012? There's multiple choice here. Tigers, the Giants, the Cardinals, or the New England Patriot? Reed, Cardinals. Wrong. So I'm now at 50-50. That would be before I moved to Nashville. Giants.

Correct. Dang. All right. Who was the NBA championship trophy named after in 1984? Bobby. O'Brien. Can you say first name? Davey O'Brien.

Larry O'Brien. Who does that go to? Mike, hold on, hold on, because I didn't mess it up. But I did say the last name, and he said DFSA first name. Yeah, Reed should have been, should have given you an answer. Oh, that's a tough one. That's a tough one. What's the Davey O'Brien?

Oh, that's football. Davey O'Brien's football. But I did say O'Brien. I think you said it first. I don't think. Would you have got it if he didn't say O'Brien? Yeah. I said Larry.

Let's just throw it away. Let's just throw it away. I won't even take it. My bad. Last name, yeah, I would have to give it to you. Okay, but redo another one. What is unique about both the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics? Loser fans.

Correct! Great fans. What's, say it again? What is unique about both the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics? They both play in the garden. No. They... That was kind of tough.

What's unique about the Celtics and the Knicks? They... Robert Parrish. No. What? They are the only original teams in the NBA that are located in their original city. That's tough That's hard

Yeah Matt's score garden I mean that's pretty good though Gardens Yeah the garden right All right All right Mike how many rounds that

This is going into round six Bobby four Kevin Zero Read three I'm not gonna do motor racing For you guys Unless you want it Motor Bowden

You don't want motor racing Do you? No Okay Baseball Before a battery gets out How many strikes do they get Read

Two What's happening here? I don't know. What's happening here? I don't know. You ever watch sports? Sports ball? No.

No. Before they get up. How many, before a bat... Yeah, how many strikes can a batter get before they get out? Two. See, I read that wrong. It's three, isn't it? It's three.

See, I read that as, like, how many strikes can they get? Three strikes are out? I know, but, like, three strikes and then you're out. I read it as, like, before you're out. How many strikes can a batter get before being out? See, I read it as you get two strikes and you got one more. That's the easiest question in this whole game. See, I didn't expect it to be that easy.

Go ahead, Kevin. We both interpreted it same. It does make sense you said two then and you're not as stupid, you're just misunderstood. Yeah. But he said two after me. And mine was wrong. And he said the same thing. I was going to go.

But I thought you were saying like, yeah. It changed for Kevin. How many, oh, baseball. How many field positions are there? Bobby. Oh, man. Nine. Yep.

He wins. That's the last question? That's five, right? Yeah, whatever. Oh, are we going through all the way three? No, we're not going to 10. I'm doing 10 rounds? Okay, go ahead.

It's round six. All right. Who won the Super Bowl? What number's that? Roman numerals? Yeah, freaking... Just read the numerals. No, it's freaking X-L-V-3 in 2014.

28? 50, 40? 32? What year? Whatever. Who won the Super Bowl in 2014? Multiple choice. Yeah.

A Raven. Seattle Seahawks. Denver Broncos, New England Patriots. Patriots, yeah. Well, buzz in. Patriots, Kevin, Patriots. You can have that one. Yep, that's it.

All right. I think I won't. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's not the Patriots. Nice. The Ravens? Nope.

Seahawks. Man, got them. Patriots are 15 minutes. All right, well, boys, this wasn't a very good Christmas present for our listeners. I got three points. Yeah, that was final score.

Bobby 5, read three, Kevin. Zero. Zero. Oh my God. That was bad. You said two after he said two. I know. And we laughed at him.

Maybe if I say it a little different, I'll get it right. I thought you were saying like he got it right, what is going on here? You know what I mean? That's what I thought at first too. But you also thought two strikes and you're out. No. No, I didn't think. One more strike before you're out.

All right. All right. We'll talk to Coach Mike Neighbors. Great interview. Love that dude. Right now, though, NFL fans, time to unwrap, nonstop football action. Let's go. Holiday season, big time matchups.

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Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, it's hope, it's heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, now let's go over and talk to Arkansas women's basketball coach Mike Neighbors. I really like to interview because this dude reads a lot of books.

And I thought it was pretty cool how he said he tested his reading a few years back and he was like an eighth grade reading level. And he's like, okay, I got to get better. Then he figured out how to read faster and now he reads everything. Yeah, he's super interesting guy. Really interesting guy. Here he is, Coach Mike Neighbor. Coach, thanks for having us today. Welcome to the house.

Thanks. Your office is, you got a corner office, you got a bathroom in the office. Yeah. Didn't know we were dealing with that elite of status here. I'm not sure that's what it is. But for a guy that went to school here, that view of Budwalt-Rena. Yeah, that's awesome. Every single day, man, you can't beat it.

Whenever I talk to somebody who coaches at their alma mater, I'm always genuinely curious if they think their love of the school can be soured if it doesn't go right professionally. Yeah, scared to death that it could happen that way. Because I'm assuming it was absolutely no doubt you're going to be the coach. You want the job for sure. Yeah. But a little bit was like, man, if this sucks and I don't do well, then how do I even like still love it?

Yeah, I hadn't gone away either. That was seven years ago. Yeah. I mean, it was a no-brainer. I was in a dream job, a good job at Washington. But when the opportunity came, like you said, it was home. It was what I dreamed of. I wanted to be a raised-back player and I was never good enough at anything.

But coaching was the opportunity. And I think about it every single day I wake up. You know, the other part for me is I'm a fan of our other 18 sports, just like every other fan in Arkansas. And then I'm also colleagues in one sport. But no, it was a great fear. I talked it over with all of my family, especially my close family. Like, you understand that there has never in the history been a basketball coach retire from the University of Arkansas. And they were like, what do you mean?

I said, they've all been told. Right. That's me. It could be me. And most likely probably will be. Are we good with that? I said, yeah, I said, if I get to be the coach here for one day, it will have been worth it. I mean, that would be the coolest thing getting hired and, like, getting walked into your office and, like, this is now your program at your school.

Yeah. Do you remember that day? Yeah, I stood right there and looked at that view and it just washed over me. I mean, it hit me like, because I'd said it from a very young age, I wanted to be a razorback. And I was not good enough at any sport. But then it became, I want to be a razorback coach. And when it came, it hit me. I stood right there and cried by myself because of the overwhelming.

I mean, how many people help me get here, how lucky I know for everything to line up like it was. So I don't spend one single day taking for granted how important it is, how valuable it was. But also I try to hit the ground running every day so I get to be here as long as I possibly can. So when you say you went to school here but you weren't good enough to play for the Razorbacks, did you play a lot of like ball in the wreck? I did. Yeah, I tried out for baseball, but Coach DeBryon cut me. It was the best thing ever happened to me.

I played a little baseball at Westark and came up here and I thought I had a pretty good day. I told the story, Coach DeBryan in the room many times, but he came walking across the diamond there, and I thought, I'm getting ready to be a racerback. I hit it good in the cage, and I picked it pretty good in the field. And he walked up and he put his arm around me and said, maybe he was you're a good boy. He said, Coach Crowder was right. That was my junior college coach. Coach Crowder was right.

He said, you really understand the game. You know when to be and where to be. You just can't quite do it. He said, you ever thought about coaching? And I said, yeah, as soon as my playing days are over, I'm going to go right into coaching. And he kind of patted me on the butt. And he goes, that's today. Coincidentally, here we are.

Did you think at all about trying to play ball somewhere else when you got cut here? No. It was Razorbacks or nothing for me. I had some small college offers to play basketball. I was better at basketball. I was probably a little better at baseball. Basketball was my love. Maybe I thought about it, but it wasn't going to be the same.

If it couldn't be razorbacks for me, that's just it wasn't going to be anything. Who were the guys for you? Because for me, it was Oliver Miller, Todd Day, Lee Mayberry, like my young years, super instrumental in me being a Razorback diehard fan. Like when I say that to you, who are those guys? The other triplets, Marvin, Delft, Ron Brer, Sidney Montcrieff, and really that whole team. So, like, if you come in my Razorback room in my house, I've got all those guys' jerseysys,

I've got balls, I've got sweat bands, I've collected over the years. Those were the people that I've stayed up late to watch the replays of, you know, the tape delays before we had VHS and all those different things. So those were my guys on the basketball. But Ben Cowans and football, that Orange Bowl team, rolling sales, Ron Calcagney, Dan Hampton, you know, Kevin McGrindles in baseball. Those were more when I was starting to get older and wanting to be here. But I've idolized a number of coaches and players. and, you know, now every sport. When you started, coach, did you ever feel?

Because I was talking about this with my wife. Like, you know, I always say, I can do it. But deep inside, I'm like, I don't know if I can do it. Yeah. When you first started, did you kind of feel like? Yeah, every day. Every day. My first job was a swim coach at Bentonville High School.

I missed the meeting early in the summer because I didn't have an email account set up yet. And they had sent out emails for all these coaches to come to this meeting. Well, I didn't know about it. Well, they made me the swim coach. Well, first of all, did you have any experience? I can't swim. Okay. Okay.

So not only did I not have any experience as a swim coach, I didn't have the ability to even jump in the water and do anything. Yes, yeah, yeah. But fortunately at Bentonville, they had a person hired through Walmart who did all the instructing, and I just needed to be the school liaison to show up. And so they said, hey, yeah, you know, you be there at 430 and it's a year-round. I'm like going, well, I can't do it at 430. I got basketball practice at 3.30.

And they said, no, the other 430, the a. Oh, my gosh. Because that's when swimmer swim. So I was at the swim notatorium, and my first swim meet I ever saw, I actually coached. So every day, and still to this day, I always worry I'm doing it wrong. I was worried we were talking about imposter syndrome before we on here. I certainly have had that a number of times. And, you know, when I first got to be a head coach, one of my first coaching jobs was,

I was coaching as Tara Vanderver, who's won over a thousand games, and I'm going game one, you know. So I still have that. I hope that's normal. I don't know that it is. but for me, my greatest fear is always that I'm not doing it right or maybe I can't. But try not to let that show. I try to put on a confident smile and do the best I can. But it's a scary profession, but it's fun.

Were you a decent swim coach, even though? I was an unbelievable swim coach. Yeah, yeah. There's go. Hey, we want to. I got a state championship ring on. No way. That's hilarious.

Yeah, I got it sitting right over here someplace. Yeah, here it is. And what do you credit that to? The unbelievable swimmers that were at that school at that particular time. and me not messing them up. But still, okay, but there is, there's a skill to not messing something good up. Yeah. Just as much as there is making something good that maybe isn't as good as possibly could be.

Sure. You didn't mess it up. No. What I did, I went in and, you know, it was kind of an Olympic sport. It wasn't one that got a lot of newspaper coverage. But I've been coaching basketball. So I called my newspaper writers and I said, hey, have you not followed this swim team? They're amazing.

We'd won state championships. And this kid's going to be in the junior Olympics. So I got them publicity and I brought it kind of to be, I went out. Here's what I did at the school too. I went and I bought the coolest sweats suit that anybody had on campus and I gave to our swimmers. And every other sport wanted them, but they couldn't have them because swim team had them. And we made swimming kind of cool. It's kind of a cool deal.

So when did you get to stop coaching swim? When did you retire as a champion swim coach? I'm not sure it was a retirement. I think it was they found somebody that drove the bus better than I. It was when I got to be the head coach of a sports. another team. That was kind of, you know, it was very time-consuming. It was four, it really was 4.30 in the morning until 7 in the morning every day of the year. And it was a thousand dollar stipend. So it was not the most lucrative gig ever. That was, that was the whole pay for that job?

Yeah. A thousand dollars. One thousand for that number of hours that many. So I, when I got to be the head coach of the girls basketball team, they, the 80s said, we need somebody that can do this a little better than you are. And I gladly relinquished my title to somebody that actually had been to a swim meet before I had. So whenever you're an assistant basketball coach at the school, was your dream to be a collegiate coach? Or was it to just be the best high school coach in the state? Yeah, not initially because I didn't have not played. I didn't know for sure how it would go. Initially, I just thought I wanted to go be the high school coach at Greenwood, Arkansas. I wanted to go back home and do that. But I had a heart attack at 29.

A genetic defect in my heart. And at 29, I was the high school coach at Cabot. And when it happened, and that was when it changed me to want to be a college coach. So what did you do differently than, so you want to be a college coach, you go get a master's? No, no. You don't have to have a master's to coach D1. I probably didn't need to go into any more school as it was with my last GPAs. So I just got to know Coach Blair really well.

A lot of people said, you know, you need to branch out and network and get to know a lot of coaches. but I had a really wise pa-paw one time that said, it's okay to put all your eggs in one basket as long as you watch thine basket. Yeah. You know, so I just got to know Coach Blair, and I volunteered at his camps. I volunteered every chance I got,

and every time he had a job opening, and I said, I'll do it. I don't care what it pays. So finally, he had a job that paid $14,000. I was making $72,000 as a high school coach, and I said, I'll take it. And he spent the next three hours trying to talk me out of it. He said, I said, well, you already offered me the job, coach.

one. So I took the pay cut and jumped into it. What was the job? I was called Director of Basketball Operations, which is a big, big title other. I should have been his Diet Coke guy. That was my first job was to make sure he had Diet Coke at practice. So like I had been taught, I said, okay, coach, do you want that in a cup? Do you want it in a can? Do you want out of a fountain? Do you want crushed dice? Do you want sonic eyes? Do you want cubed ice? What do you want? So I did the best job I could it being that until he let me drive him around until he let me do a little stuff more and more and more and more. So that was my first job, glorified Diet Coke guy. Coach, the heart attack, though, at such a young age and you go into a career where you're just going to be yelling and stressing

out the whole time. How do you manage that? My heart rate doesn't get above 120 any, like they've had me on monitors. I just, I think because of the heart attack, I have this perspective on maybe it's not as big a deal as everybody. I mean, it is stressful. Don't get me wrong, but I don't, stress about it. I think because I've had the heart attacks and that it has helped me try to be as calm as I can. A lot of my players will say, you know, I'm calm because coach is calm. If he's calm, I can be calm.

So I hope that's turned out to be a positive thing. It was a genetic thing too. So we got it under control. I'm not really worried about it happening again. My doctors have all said, I think in a nice way, it's going to be something else that you're going to get by a truck or you're going to have a plane, something. You know, something. And I'm like, thanks.

It's not going to be my heart. But that moment changed me. At 29, you realize life's that short because he literally told me, he said, if you'd have been asleep, I think you would have died. Because you might not have really known it was happening. And they call it the Widowmaker, Val, because of that reason. So I was lucky. I've always been right time, right place guys.

So obviously that one was one of those. What was your highlight, your highest moment in high school coaching? High school coaching? Yeah, before you left. I had a team. It's kind of a three year. window. I had a team that was finished one in 24, won one game. And the game we won, believe it or not, we hit a jump shot at the end of the third quarter to win it because nobody scored in the fourth,

believe it or not. That team played for the state championship two years later. The same, most of the same crew. Most of the same crew. We just got better and better. And we stuck. We had a move in or two. Don't get me wrong. But that group, that was probably the pinnacle of high school coaching for me. And then when you, it was your first collegiate job here with Coach Blair? It was. So, but then you have to leave again, right? You have to leave because it's a job. It's a journeyman job. It is. But with the idea, hopefully, of coming back to. That was the plan. Yeah, and I came back again in between. So I started with Coach Blair. I went to Tulsa. I followed that coach to Colorado. I came back to Arkansas for another time. I went to Xavier. I went to Washington. And that was where I got my first head coaching

job. And then when this one came open, it was everything I could do to come back home. But yeah, you know, you know, you're going to be, I moved five times in five years. I moved eight times, You know, it's one of those deals that you know you have to do that to at the end, hopefully be able to be somewhere for a long time. When did you realize that this was like the thing you were pretty good at? Well, there's a picture of it over there. I was an assistant coach at Xavier. We had a young lady who missed a couple of layups to go to the final four.

Smoked them, me wide open. And for something in me, rather than be upset about miss, I sprinted onto the court and I picked her up off the floor. and I just hugged her and shielded her. And I still to this day, don't know what made me do it. But that was, I knew after looking back on, I said, I'm supposed to be a coach. If I, if something in my body reacted, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. It's not, I was still an assistant.

I almost quit coaching. I had tried to become a head coach. I was an assistant for 14 years. I was at Xavier at a spot where I thought I was going to get the job and I didn't. And I almost just, you know, decided I was going to get out of coaching and come home and sell drugs and flip house, pharmaceuticals. Okay, I'm like, hey. Pharmaceuticals.

Pharmaceuticals. Tough environment out there. I was going to sell pharmaceuticals and flip houses. I really thought about it for a while. But I took that job at Washington. That ended up leading now. And so, you know, it's one of those jobs where you have to kind of think that way. What's the difference in that we don't understand of, okay, you're the number one assistant,

but now you're the head coach. Like whenever they move you up at Washington and you're the head guy, immediately what did you not know you were going to have to be? Well, you've got to make the decisions instead of the suggestions. You know, all those great suggestions I'd had as an assistant coach. And I was like, oh, he's not doing that. You know, why aren't they using my idea the amount of decisions you had to make on a daily basis? And not only the amount of it, but the number of people it affected.

Like if, like today, if I want to change practice time, I've got to alert 59 people. and then they have families and they have people they have to alert. I had never thought about that aspect of having to be the person that makes a decision that trickles down and affects those many people. And then the other thing that was, it's going to sound really petty. But I was at Washington the Friday before I was the assistant coach, we went out on a little excursion and I had like a little Subaru SUV, mini SUV or whatever.

Every kid's trying to pile in there with me because I was cool and had the cool music and whatever. I had like 10 people trying to get in my car. The next Friday, I was the head coach, and I had the big SUV, and we were going to go out to a dinner to celebrate, and nobody wanted to ride with me. And I was the same guy,

but your job had changed. So, like, that was hard on me for a while, like, because you're not going to be liked all the time, and their decisions are tough, and it's going to have, you're going to make somebody mad probably. And, boy, I struggle with that, and I'm not telling you, I don't still struggle with that a little bit today,

because that's just, that's hard. But the two big things we're having to make all these decisions and learning that you can run out of energy to make decisions. It's why the presidents don't pick out their own clothes or where they're eating because you can exhaust yourself of your energy of making decisions on stuff that's trivial. The last 10 years or so, seemingly from, you know, 10,000 feet out, the recruiting has changed. It's seemingly so much more than it had in any clip of time.

Because, again, all the rules have changed from the portal to NIA, to how much adapting have you had to do, how much changing have you had to do just in your day-to-day CEOing and coaching? You have to scrap what you did two years ago. It literally changes every day now. I mean, the price of recruiting, and I don't mean the dollar amount.

We're not talking about Nile. I'm just saying the things you have to do to stay on that cutting edge, to be attractive to the best players in the country. I have to have people surrounding me because I'm not the one that can keep up with what's cool. and what trend, how are we going to communicate with these people? So I've got to employ an unbelievable staff of people who are up on that.

And then I just have to be available. As long as I make myself available to them to do whatever they tell me to do, I can stay in the thick of it. But it's a complete 180-degree shift from what it was two years ago. Final three questions. You have a lot of books in this office. They're everywhere. Yeah.

Even your book. Yeah. I think that was a setup. It was not a setup. I'll tell you why I think it's a setup, coach. Interesting. I have a theory about this. You walk in and obviously either coach is well read or has just spent a lot of money on books.

It could be either one. I know people that have done both. Okay. I'm not going to hate. But again, there are so many books in this office that I feel like you've probably read a few of them. Now, why? I'll look into, there's four books on your desk. There's 500 around here. Just playing the numbers game.

Analytics. Data. What are the odds that my book would be on your desk randomly when I show up? Well, it's not random because I want you to sign it before you leave, but it was in that stack. Well, yeah, like it was just sitting on your desk. Oh, it was in the stack where you guys got here or not? No, it was on his desk. It's on his desk. Yeah, I don't believe this at all. Okay. It was in my stack. With all the price tag on it. No. But today at half price books. It looks like the receipts. Yeah. It's still there. Every book in here has been read. And anybody that's really, every book in here has been read. Anybody that's around me can tell you the story about being behind reading. But if they're on my desk, I'm in this process of reading them. If they're in that book bag over there on the corner, they are. my favorite books. If they are stacked under here, they're the ones I'm going to give anybody in this room. If y'all want a copy of Speed of Trust, I buy every copy I can find and I hand them out to anybody that comes in here and asks me about reading. I was an awful reader at the age of 40,

and I took a test online and I read at the eighth grade reading level, and that's embarrassing. And I wanted to become a better reader, so I started reading. And I got better and better and better. I got to where I could read 900 words a minute and with comprehension. So that's when I started pouring through every copy of everything I could ever read. I'm not that fast anymore because now I take a, for every book I read, I write at least 10 pages and I go back, I alternate it back and forth. But your book has been read since I was coming to Nashville a couple years ago when we were going to connect.

That was when I got a copy of that book. Why don't you write a book? Have you write so much? I've had a lot of people say, and I think I will when I retire and I'm not coaching. I've got a bunch of pieces that I think we could write into a book, right now. I've written 20, probably, probably 2,000 pages worth of stuff. I had a newsletter I shared that went out to 75,000 coaches that went out weekly. I wrote in those things. I think I could probably put it together. That's a lot of other people's thoughts that I've kind of made into my own. And some are

stories about my pawpaw. That's, I think, the book that I'll publish is my Papa neighbor's stories because he was such a wise man without an education. And then I don't know, I think I will write a book. day. It's just not something right now that I don't want to do, but I think I will in time. Yeah, it sucks to write it. It sucks. It's awesome. So you were saying three questions about the books, but yeah, everything in here has been read. And it's all coded. And you can talk to my administrative assistant down there. It's got the Dewey decimal system in here. You pull the cards out. We tried. We tried that. And we had stacks everywhere. It was going to be leadership. It was going to be body language. It was going to be all these different. And then finally I just said,

forget it. Just put all the blue books together, all the red books together, all the yellow books together because I do remember what color books are and that's the way I remember. I'm like, that's a yellow cover book or that's a green box. Plus, it looks cool. It just looks like it. It looks a little better. Yeah, there's a little discrepancies around, but I'm colorblind. It looks at me. Yeah. Yeah. There's also like a DVD collection here and I see, you know, some movie pictures here. Yeah. You got Star Wars, Bull Durham. Correct. Rocky. What's your favorite, let's say sports movie and then movie in general? A few good men. Number one. Uh, You may not know this about me, but I do have my top 1,000 movies ranked in order on IMDB.

You can look it up when we leave. One through 1,000. What do you mean? How do we look that up? I can pull it up on a webpage. Wait, we can go on, we can find it on the internet. Yeah, right now. What's the domain?

What's the domain? What's the domain? I know what that side is, coach. I'm saying, but how do we find yours? Top mic neighbors? You heard of it, Bones? And you just went on, so you have like an account? Here's what happened.

I was in Seattle. This came up in an interview that I had my top thousand movies ranked and somebody said, I don't believe you. I said, here you go. I have them typed out. They're in order. They're my favorite list.

It's been well documented. It's been well thought through. A few good men, number one. It's never been touched. The top 10 has moved around some. Never been touched even by Forrest Gump. No.

Forrest Gump, I think is 11. Wow. Maybe he slid to 14. I'll check when we, but we do this as bar bets. I'll tell people to name a movie and I can tell you where it falls within my top thousand within a few.

But it's ranked. And when I, so somebody in Seattle heard about it. and IMDB reached out to me and said, would you please publish your list? Oh, that's cool. So it's out there. I'm published. I guess I am published now that I think about it.

Yeah, sports movie? On the internet, though. Sport. We found it. We found it. Yeah, I got it. Hunt for Red October's number two. Hunt for Red October.

Ah. The Silence of the Lambs number three. Hoosiers 4. That's my favorite sports movie. Oh, brother, we're out there's five. Moneyball six, top gun, seven. I'm going to do all thousands. So you guys fast forward for a little bit.

I'll tell you what 1,000 is. Mama Mia. Which dark 138? Was that? What's top gun? The new one? You seen the new one? Yes. I haven't seen.

It's good. Purple Rain 10. That's good. Shawshank 11. Ooh, kind of low. Oh, 11. Yeah. And Forrest Gump, though.

Same year. Shawshake and Forrest Gump. Same year. What is Forrest Gump? Uh, 12. Oh, so what happened was Moneyball moved up, so that one moved down one. And I think you're referring to, I think Forrest Gump knocking Shawshank out, or was it the opposite? Well, and those two plus, what's the royal, the cheese?

Oh, Pulpiction. Oh, yeah. All the same year. All best pictures. All best pictures. All best pictures. And I think one of. I don't know which one.

But this is my list. Yeah. It's not the best movies of all time. What I, my criteria was this. If one was on TBS and one was on TNT, what am I watching? And a few good men is that movie for me. I will watch it start to finish.

It's always hitch for me. Hitch is 30. Is it really? Keep going. You're going to get to pretty great. I love Hitch. Field of dreams. Field of dreams is pretty high.

It's pretty high. And so like I have these arguments people and everybody goes, oh, that's too low. And I'm saying, we'll make your list. Yeah. Because you'll be surprised how quick you get to 80. Yeah. Like there's good. movies in the hundreds on this list.

And I still, now this is not the most update. I have a working living document that every time I watch a movie, I put it into the ring. What's the last movie that you watched that made the list? Last movie I watched to be into the list. What was the last? It was the Oppenheimer.

Oh, yeah. That made the top thousand list? Well, no, because I'm, I don't want to seem really weird, but it's over 3,700 now. Oh, wow. That's just. So I take medicine for my OCD being a little out of control sometimes.

Are you OCD? Probably, but it's not medicated. Okay. Maybe you should, it's my point. I have some. Can we try? Is this one of those ones that I could try and it wouldn't... It wouldn't affect you at all.

Part of the deal is I don't sleep a lot. I never did even prior to having a young family and all that. And I wonder why you have a heart attack, coach. I don't know. That was before. That was way before. That was way before. Postdoc, ergo proctor honk.

He's like, I've blinked in three months and I never sleep, but I can't figure out my heart's breaking down. A couple more of these movies. I'm only at one, like, I'm in the hundreds. Well, come on, man. But 11-is a gladiator. Oh, that's a great movie. Which is awesome.

But be surprised how quick. Now, I also have my top 57,000 songs ranked in order. Wow. And on the playlist. What's number one? Well, go to, hey, go to billboard.com. They're all up there that he's a published. I'm not on that one, but that's what I did during COVID was I made a music list and a playlist of all those songs.

Wow. Yeah. And number one is Sweet child of mine. Oh, let's go. I know. I know. I get ridiculed for it an awful lot.

What's wrong with? What's wrong with Sweet Child of Mine? It was my favorite song. I'm not saying it's the best song of all the time. And it's not. You're right. And it's not. It's not the best song.

It's not even their best song. Yeah. Like I'd have gone like November rain. It's fine. But you're right. It's definitely your, I do have a list. Bring me your top 57,000.

No, I don't, I'll pass out. I have a heart attack before I get to 57,000. Get to 100. I've done like top 25. Like I know my top five, which is like blue eyes crying in the rain,

stop this train, John Mayer, uh, Ain't No Sunshine, Bill Withers. Like I can probably get to 20, Matt Stell. What's that one that goes,

anytime I pray for you. Yeah, that's number four. Yeah, I know it's up. 5,719. Check it. Yeah.

I just know where that one is. Check it right now. Okay, well, how about that? Have you seen, okay, I haven't read the book

that you pass out. And I like to read. What is that book? the sound of time? Speed of trust. Okay. Have you ever... Do you have a bunch of copies in here?

Yeah, I'm going to take one. Have you ever seen Man on the moon? Man on the moon? Yeah, about Andy Kaufman. Oh, no. I love to see it. Is it a movie? Yes.

Yeah. Andy Kaufman died before I knew... Oh, I read Shift Your Mind. That's a really good one. It's really good. He's a great guy. Who? The author,

Oh, really? Do you know who I was hanging out with on Zoom the other day? Was Malcolm Gladwell? No kidding. We're doing a project together. I can't wait to read it. I saw a bunch of... I've got them all over there.

Yeah. How cool are you guys? He's super interesting. He, all of his books are one that I pass and share out every single one of him that he has. Yeah, I geeked out. And I get, we both get to be around cool people all the time, but there's some people. And for me, it's always like old school, Razorbacks and authors. And I'm always like, man, you're like Malcolm Gladwell.

I just like stare at him. Yeah. The mind of the people like Gladwell that right like that and the freakonomics people, that blow me away the way they think. Val No Harari, a new writer that's out that wrote Sapiens. I read Sapiens. It took me a while because that book is huge. What was crazy to me about Sapiens, we'll get out with each other for a second.

Sapiens, what was crazy was when they talked about the humans that would survive, they're the first ones that could stand because they could see because they were on all fours. And we were on all fours. But the ones that were really thrived were the ones that could stand on two because they lifted and had higher vision. Farther on the horizon. Crazy. And it's why we have, it's why when you hear something rustling in the woods, if you better assume it's a lion and not the wind.

We still have those tendencies. Our brain goes to war too. A lion in Arkansas? Yeah, yeah, man, never. Lions are everywhere. Got them out in the wild. Be careful. Be careful when you go outside.

So I'm going to read that book. And then you watch, I'll watch Man on the Moon because it's a, I like Andy Kaufman. True story. But you know who Andy Kaufman is. Oh, I remember when Jerry Lawler slapped him on the. Yes.

I mean, it was, I know exactly who he's, and I'm sitting here wondering to myself, how did I miss that movie? You were making a list of your top 70 million serials. And Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey plays them. Does Jim Carrey makes sense? And it's awesome.

I bet it is phenomenal. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. I haven't missed it. Like Letterman's my hero, but Andy Kaufman, I never got to see him. In his prime. Or ever. I mean, he died in early 80s.

And so, or like 80. So I never, but the things that he would do that weren't even supposed to be funny. That were just, let's see what everybody's reaction is. Yeah. So I'm going to read. That book, you watch my movie. And we'll check back in. I can't wait.

Okay. One final. You guys want to give me an assignment? Yeah. You want me to read the serpent? I can read the serpentine. We're going to have you go through my top 57,000 song list and check for duplicates. That I could do.

That's funny. All right. Final question, coach. Okay. The very first game you coach is the head coach here at your alma mater of the school that you love. Yeah. When you walk out the first time. Let's say the first home game.

Yeah. Because I don't know if your first game was a home game or not. It was not. but I remember the first home game very well. Talk to me about that. Just the whole day was so, you know, people say numbing, people will say, but that's the best way I could describe it. It was just floating on air.

It was, everything was in slow motion. First time I heard my name announced over the loudspeaker. The hog called for the first spontaneous time. It hit different than when I was fan, you know, growing up the boy that my granddad was taken to all the games. And it just hit completely different. And even as an assistant coach, I had been here twice as an assistant coach. And I'd heard the fight song.

I had heard all that. But when it's your team, it is, and I know it may sound corny, it still feels the same today. It has not gotten old, has not been. And I think that is the difference. When you talk about people who coach it their alma mater, that's what you get. Now, it doesn't mean that I'm going to be any more successful than somebody that wasn't born in this zip code. but I do care about it, a deeper understanding and appreciation, I think, and I hope that comes out to our kids and the way I protect them

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We're done. We will be back next week with two new shows. We did one. Well, I mean, this counts as a show. Yeah. I mean, we humiliate ourselves in public. Eddie was not here. We need to have them play by himself.

Well, the questions are stupid. A lot of them are like, I don't know anything about cricket or Roland Garros, although I might have got that one. Guess one thing that's happened in the last week in football before we go? Guess one thing that's happened? That's going to happen? No, that happened because it's already happened.

We're putting this episode on after a week of us not being on. predict the future but it's actually the past the Cowboys lose again Wow Paying more tax Paying more tax baby The tax man will not stop coming

Yep Reed T Swift and Travis Kelsey Kelsey broke up Wow already That was so sad I know I feel like it's yeah I didn't see it coming man

Wow okay And I'm gonna go with The Raiders Have just made their interim Head Coach official Hmm because I think you probably deserve his job. And it already happened in my mind.

So there we go. Congrats, Antonio Pierce. And you know he's a defensive guy. Yeah. I don't only love defensive coaches now in the modern NFL. Is your eye okay? Yeah, well. Looks like it's kind of blinking oddly.

Right. Oh, there's a big old light behind you. Yeah, the big old light behind you. But Antonio Pierce and Dan Quinn will be the two guys that I'd give a job to. I think it's about Dan Quinn's time. Yeah. especially if I were going into like a culture that didn't have it a culture he'll set a culture a culture like dan campbell does mhm washington maybe if that opens up but yeah uh you guys have a great holiday we'll see you next week and

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Did she say yes? Yeah. She said yes. She ran out there. Then she subbed in for him. It was crazy. Did she play tight end? It was nuts, man. Oh, my God. Is she a bunch of fantasy points? Oh, yeah. Did you have her, you start her?

Yeah, man. She was an amazing prop bet. I placed that. All right. Reed has never been funnier. That was good. That was good, Reyes. All right.

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But I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a recent episode of the podcast, Money and Wealth with John Hobrient, I sit down with Tiffany the budgetista aliche

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too many of us were never, ever taught. If you've ever felt you didn't get the memo on money, this conversation is for you to hear more. Listen to money and wealth with John Hope Ryan from the Black Effect Network on the I'd Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.