The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Big Pickleball Update on Bobby vs. Guy in Ohio +  Best Dunkers in NBA history + Grant McCasland on Patrick Mahomes Coming to their Game

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Bobby reveals what he found out about the guy who challenged him to a $1000 Pickleball game. There's a development on whether it's going down or not and we need your help! Bobby sees if the guys can guest list the Best Dunkers in NBA history. Eddie shares his woes and wins of betting on college basketball. We talk about the best dunkers in NBA history and is Gronk returning to the NFL? We also talk to Grant McCasland  who is the head coach of men's basketball at Texas Tech. He talks about his complicated relationship with the refs, how his family is affected being in the public eye, how he feels when players miss free throws and Patrick Mahomes coming to their game recently.  Follow the Show: @BobbyBonesSports   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberrySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Of this season, yeah. That ain't good for us. I wish the money was rolling in like we'd done a bunch. I don't know. 82. That's a lot. Yeah, hey, guys.

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And some troll jumps up and goes, you suck. I can tell you suck because you didn't even come up to the net. And I'm like, bro, you think I'm playing in a tournament? It was like the first day back after winter. And so I'm like, let's go. Let's play the game. Me and you, $1,000. All I did was challenge a troll.

And apparently he's a four-year D-1 athlete. And... Whatever. I hear you. Whatever. I'm willing to go against a four-year D-1 athlete just to try to fight a troll. Boom. Because I don't like people to jump in with negativity for no reason.

And I understand I'd probably be the underdog in the situation, but I don't care. and he's like, here's my home court. But here's the thing. I said, we'll play for money. But I don't want to get scammed. I've been scammed more than once with money doing content where I'm like, here's 500 bucks. And then it's the wrong.

It doesn't matter. How do I get the money to somewhere, and he gets the money to somewhere? Like, who's the somewhere? Yeah, that's interesting. Because I do not want to get scammed. And I'm also just not going to believe somebody because if we go up there, we go up there, we're the underdogs, all good, we take the whole crew, we shoot it, I stand, I've never said this, I've seen a business.

I know, I've never actually said that. I don't know how I felt, but I tried it. I don't want to go and be like, I'm not giving you the money. So if you do like a Venmo account, right? It doesn't matter whose it is. You have a Venmo account, it shows that the money is in there, right? It does, but who gets to know the person that has the Venmo account? Because if I were him, I wouldn't trust if I'm like, just send me the $1,000 and I'll hold it. Or one of my boys will hold it. I don't know if I would trust that. And if he did the same thing, like send it here or send it to something I have access to, that's me getting scammed. And then can we trust going all the way to Cleveland?

It's somewhere in Ohio. I think it's possible. So we go all the way to Ohio and he doesn't show up. Like, that's not good either, right? So we need to have the money before anyone travels anyway. Correct. So here's the challenge because I want to do this. And to me it doesn't matter.

It's not about winning or losing. I want to win for sure. And I want to win the money. But it's mostly like if people are going to troll, they should be called out for it. Yeah. I want to do it. I just need to do it in a way that it's safe to put my money somewhere. So think about this.

This is going to be the challenge. Or if you're listening and you know how we could do this because he's like, let's go. But I haven't responded yet. because I don't know how to do this without getting possibly scammed. You couldn't do like the half and half, right? 500 isn't enough. But where does it go? Yeah, that's another.

I'm just, yeah. I don't, we both would have to do that, but it's the same point. It's like, who's holding it? And whoever's holding it, if they're connected to one of the two sides, I know we're trustworthy, but he doesn't know that. And I don't even know who he is. I don't even know his name. You know what he looks like?

I have no idea what he looks like. I probably don't want to know. I probably get intimidated. He's a four-year D-1 athlete, but I'm not scared to go and play. I just don't want to get scammed. So think about that, and if any listeners out there, you want to send me a DM

at Mr. Bobby Bones and let me know what we could do, that's awesome too. But I also have to think about him going, I'm not putting my money somewhere, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, you could go old school and both get a money order and send a picture of the money order to the other person to prove that it's set.

But I think if I were trying, okay, then I don't even know what a money order would need either. Then I try to scam it myself. Then I go, okay, I took a picture. Then I would just go and take it back. Right? Because if I'm putting it in his name, he may never get it.

If I went, he's not getting it. It's true. I wish my dad was still alive, man. He used to deal with people from Mexico. This was always the conversation. Like, how do I get money from there? Yeah, we would do money orders. That's what we would do.

So that's where we are. Think about it. That's number one here on the list. Number two, I do want to talk about the tush push for a second. Oh, come on. Do you think they should eliminate the tush push before we get into what the teams and, and again, we're recording this on Thursday. So when it comes on on Friday, I don't think they'd have voted by then. No, I think it's just a lot of talk during the combine stuff.

I said the meeting, I think, is in like in a couple weeks. Okay, great. First, the tush push. Should it be banned Eddie? No way, Jose. You do not punish a team or a coach for coming up with this amazing place. that is pretty much unstoppable. I think it's awesome, and there is no excuse.

Like, it wasn't a safety issue. Like, come on, football is a safety issue. The tush push is awesome. It's genius, and it should remain the way it is. Thanks, Socrates, football is a safety issue. You got it. I mean, you get to know safety issue. You're like the town square in Athens, like, they're preaching to it.

You get out of here. You hate it because you can't stop it. It is frustrating. I get it. We've been on the other side of the tush push. It's frustrating. but I don't know man somebody came up with a great idea and it works

Kevin I say no let's not get wishy-washy but go ahead but maybe we can tweak it okay how so what about tweaking it like they've lined everybody up on the line

they have two guys behind them to push them you're only allowed one guy behind them and then another guy's got to go out as wide receiver okay so you're saying tweak the alignment and the formation a little bit to maybe give a little less

advantage so it makes every other team happy and still makes the Eagles like okay we could still do it with a little tweak here can ask a question about that yeah do we really think that two people pushing effects it more than one person no but it's still making this GM happy and the other around the league happy and making everybody happy yours is more of a diplomatic give than something that would actually change the touch push okay I'm with you yeah and I agree with both of you in that the Eagles kind of discovered it sure did their thing and everybody else is just mad because they can't do the thing. And people have tried Buffalo, I think, was number two.

They did it far less, but Buffalo was number two. But in the playoffs, Buffalo couldn't even get it to work. Five times, I think, right? It couldn't even get it to work. So I'll give you my answer. I'll read you the story first. From ESPN, the mystery team proposing a ban of the Eagles' tush push is the Packers. Which, by the way, they don't even play them.

I mean, once. Maybe. I mean, imagine if you're also over in the NFC East, you have to play them twice. But the NFL's EVP of Football Operations, Troy, Vincent initially chose not to identify the team, but Packers' GM, Brian Gutekuntz, later owned it. At the NFL Combine, he admitted the Packers, quote, hadn't been very successful against it,

and he expects, quote, a lot of discussions about it. One of those discussions might be that team should figure out how to defend it instead of outright banning it, a move that Eagles coach Nick Siriani says would be unfair to his team. From, again, ESPN, I'm going to say ban it. Ooh. And not for the reasons that you guys say, because I agree with both of you.

Like the Eagles came up with something, nobody can stop it. you got it buddy it's terribly boring for television and I'm always a this is a television show because that's where the money is product first so if you were just playing it wasn't on TV great I don't think the Eagles cheated

I think it's a great idea but it's boring to watch because there really is no drama on a fourth and one when the Eagles have the ball so I think it was wildly smart but if I'm only speaking selfishly and and as a network executive or as the NFL that cares about television,

I probably am not allowing it. Unless there are certain things like you can only tush push push inside the five. Like I think there are modifications that you can make the tush push inside the five. Or you get two tush pushes a game, period.

That's funny. Like challenges? Sure. Like in my Madden League that we play in because the quarterback sneak it's kind of a glitch where you can get it to work almost every time for two yards.

It's not even a tush push. You just quarterback sneak. you're going to get two yards. We can only quarterback sneak twice a game in a user game. We're playing another player. If we're playing the computer, we do it all day. But we can only quarterback sneak twice a game because it's a bit of a glitch. But I would say the Eagles push push is a bit of a glitch.

They figured out. So for television reasons only, I don't like the tush push, being able to be done on the 38-yard line and six times in a game. So I'm going to say, no tush-push. Oh, but we want the tush-push. we're being. Okay, let's compromise. You get two a game. That's it. Or tush push all you want inside the five. Dang, that's such a better compromise than mine. But if I'm not compromising, I'm just going no tush push for television reasons because admit it's boring. Oh, yeah. It's boring. But you know what's not boring is when a team hires a physics professor to figure out the physics of how to stop something like this and they actually stop it.

No, that's boring. If somebody's hiring a physics, that's boring. Dude, but if they stop it, But they can't. Nobody can consistently. Somebody is going to figure out how to stop it. I don't think it's a physics thing. You don't think so? No, because I think it's a quarterback that has very strong legs and a center that has a very strong butt and players that have now run it and know how to do it and not be injured. I don't think it's a physics thing. Then maybe you get all of your linemen on your team, backups and everything, and forget the secondary.

Whenever they show tush push, your biggest men. on the field. Can't do that unless you substitute. Like they can't substitute on defense unless the offense substitutes. Really? I didn't know that. I changed that then. Yeah.

Change that rule. Dang. I think it's hilarious. I love the tush push if it's my team. So I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I'm bored by it. And so the NFL does not want people be bored by anything, which is why they protect their quarterback. Sure.

It is a matter of time, you would think. Is that what? They ban it? Yeah, they ban it. Well, and remember two years. ago, you couldn't use your hands or your body to influence anybody going forward.

You couldn't push them, grab them, you couldn't pull. That was a rule. It's not as much anymore. Because the tush push is just that, everybody leaning in. And maybe you just do tush push, but there's nobody pushing the tush. It's just a quarterback sneak, but then it's just a quarterback sneak. Yeah. So there's really no tush in the push. But I'm going to go ban it because I'm bored by it. Next up.

Gronk may be coming back to the NFL. No. Stop it. He can't. He looks like... He sees trawl. Thomas Kelsey's like I can do it. He looks like broken down Robocop. Like his last season with the Bucks, like he just, it looked like if he got hit hard, he was not going to get back up.

He always looked like that, though. Why when he was younger? He's only 35. Well, yeah, that's crazy. And that's on the older end, but it's not like he's 43. And he is a monster. A new report suggests that future Hall of Fame tied in Rob Grunkowski may not yet be done. The four-time Super Bowl champion is working out in Vale, Colorado.

and is contemplating retiring from retirement. These same sources say that Gronk has liked what he's seen from Broncos quarterback Bo Nix. And also the Bengals are one of the teams they think he could go to. He's not going to go to the Patriots. He's not going to go to the Patriots. He's not going to go to the Patriots because they suck. If you're Gronk and you're going to go play, you're going to go play at somebody who gives you a chance to win a championship. So that would be fun.

I think that would be extremely hard for him. to do being out of the league for so long yeah when you're known for being such a physical player it's probably hard to jump back in and be as physical because it wasn't like he was known for his precision no did his body i mean oh it took a toll dude towards the end was like one hit will be like okay i'm good on this actually i don't know dude he's huge he is a monster you met him no did we see him at the super bowl he was he was there on Radio Row, but I don't know any of us ever saw him. I never saw him.

Because I did see videos later that he was there. Okay, so you're saying you didn't see him a person. You just knew he was in the same place at some point. Because I was saying, is he massive? I have a really good friend that's really good friends with him. And a couple times he's been like, are you here? I'm here with Gronk. And like, I once talked to Gronk's sister once for a birthday.

Like the random? I sent her a video. Yeah. Okay, she's a big fan. Oh, oh. Like a cameo? Or... My friend that's friends with Gronk was like, hey, Gronk's sister is here. He doesn't call him Gronk. He calls him wrong. Basically, he's like, Grong's sister is here. She's a big fan as her birthday.

Would you send her a video saying Happy Birthday? So I just sent him a video of me going, hey, Grong's sister. It wasn't her name. That's awesome. I know it's not the same, but we saw Jimmy Graham. Oh, that's cool. You did see him? Yeah, he was at the stage right next to us at one point.

He was tall. And just like, I don't know, yeah. When those guys look big on the field, you know they're just ginormous. Yeah. Yes, because they're up against other big people. Like when I met Eli Manning years ago, Eli Manning doesn't look big on the field. Eli Manning is a monster,

and that's just being even with those people. When someone, it's a great point. When someone looks big even on the field, they're huge. I was blown away by the Rams' offensive linemen. He came on the show. Andrew Whitworth. Andrew Whitworth.

Blown away with how massive he was. He was basketball player height, professional basketball player height, and then offensive linemen wait. I don't know how you get around that. And Cam Hayward. He was a monster. I do was scary looking.

You remember him? I do remember him because I didn't know he was at first. But I would say he was scary looking in that he was big and... Oh my gosh, he was huge. Angry. Yeah. But I don't think he was like Wentworth's size. Because I don't think he was as tall.

No, no, he's not as tall as Whitworth. Whitworth was like, you can see him in a sea of people and his heads is above everyone else. He, okay, get this. He's 331 pounds. He was a big old boy. Yeah. And then what's his height? Was he 6-7?

He's got to be at least... He's 6-7. 6-7-330. That's like Gladiator. That's like back in the day he'd have been in the middle of the Coliseum. Like fighting people because he's so big. Huh.

Yeah, wild. They ranked the best dunkers in NBA history. Now, I've seen the list, so unfair. But I think I can do... Had I not seen the list, I can give you a rough overview who I said and I'd have been wrong on some of them because I would have only been going

from slam dunk contests, from being a kid. So I would have picked people like Spudweb. He won it in like 84, I think, and he was 5'6. Yeah, because he was tiny. And he wasn't the best dunker, but the fact that someone that small could dunk, which I thought was crazy. Like, I would have thought of Spud Webb.

Just some of the dunk contest winners, I think about, like, Dee Brown, he did the look into the arm Celtics. Oh, yeah. That was like in a big sports illustrated foldout. Like, that was cool. But he wasn't like a crazy good NBA player that was dunking all the time in games. I would have picked Dominique Wilkins because how angry he, he was when he dunked in games and in slam dunk contest.

Obviously, I had to pick Michael Jordan just because he has very famous dunks. He dunked a lot, but he has some really famous dunks. And his logo is a dunk. Yes, it is. The jump man's a dunk. No. Right? That picture didn't come from him dunking.

Yeah, but Hugh did it at some point. I remember maybe he recreated it or something, maybe during a slam dunk contest, but he did do the at one point. But the picture was first. I bet you're right about that. And the picture was not him dunking. It was just like him. Jumping? Yeah, something weird.

Like posing? It wasn't even, yeah. Mike, would you mind looking that up? Or could it be a celebration? Like, you know how you jump up and fist pumping? I feel like it was something contrived and set up, but it wasn't a dunk. Mike will find it. Oh, we'll mention it a minute.

So that had been who had put on the list. And of that, I would have only gotten. Jordan and Dominique Wright. So when I say best dunkers of all time, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. And I remember they didn't even dunk until like 40 years ago. Like in the early black and white days, you had a couple, and that was like crazy.

It was all like white guy plumbers, and you know they weren't dunking. But who comes to you guys' mind is the, oh, this one I should have got. Have you seen the list? No, I haven't. But the first person that pops in my mind who wanted me go, Vince Carter. That's exactly who I saw.

How did I miss Vince Carter? Because Vince Carter dunked all the time on everybody, bigger, small. And he had like the greatest dunk contest of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In my memory, at least. More than my life time. Better than McClung?

I mean, there's no car involved. There was no three feet. Mike, what did you find? Yeah, it was just during a photo shoot. He just jumped up at a photo shoot. Yeah, they were taking a picture and he's like, I'm going to do a ballet move. That's what it was. He kicked his legs out.

Good fine, good fine, good fine, good fine. Okay, Vince Carter on the list Sean Kemp Great call Did make the list Hard dunker Like that mother Africa dunk That's how intense it feels with Sean Kemp

Eddie A mailman Carl Malone Nah He could I mean he could dog Yeah I remember I had a poster Where he was dunking

That's the only reason I guess not Not on the list List is Bro Bible One of a bunch of people That had contributed to it Not saying you're wrong Hey he could dunk man He could dunk

You know it was... Sorry, go ahead. I'm thinking. Kind of underrated in his game because he's such a great player but Kobe Bryant could dunk. He throws down some good ones. Yeah, Kobe did not make the list.

This is one that I should have thought of and didn't because it's recent enough as Blake Griffin. Oh, duh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lob City. Yes. Him and Chris Paul.

Yeah, that was nasty. Yes. It was all dunks all time. Yeah, like I would have missed that one and then I would have hated myself for it. Okay. Anybody else? How many do we have left?

Lots. Just four. The whole list. And I'll say this. One of them still plays. Two of them are in our lifetime of watching basketball and one is not. So go old. Old school?

Old old. We never watched. Dr. J? Correct. Julie Sarvan. That's good, Kevin. Three left. One plays right now.

John Moran? Oh, that's a good one, though, because that dude flies out of everywhere. He's so fast. And he dunks on. people all sizes. Russell Westport? Go more famous. Way more famous.

Oh, LeBron. Yes. Duh. Yeah. We're so dumb. We're thinking too much. The other two, I don't think you're going to get just by guessing.

I'll say one of them, a very famous Phoenix son, not Charles Barkley, a very famous Phoenix son. We saw, and Nick, and Nick. Mari Saddemeier? Yes. Mari Saddemeier. He was awesome.

Yeah, he was awesome. And the other one, Jason Richardson. Oh, yeah, Jay Rich was... Oh, you know, I'm well enough to call Jay Rich. Who did he play for? Golden State. He was bouncing around. He bounced around. Golden State was...

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We've got a guest coming up in a second. We like talking college basketball. Eddie's been losing a lot of money on college basketball. Actually, I made some good money on Florida the other night. That Florida was down. they were playing Georgia, which Georgia's a little sneaky team, man. Georgia, yeah, but they kind of suck.

They do. Okay, sneaky's a good point because they can win a game, but they're not going to win a lot of games. There are a handful of sneaky teams, which I love it. This time of year, I'm, like, starting to collect my little notes of like, watch out. They're not making the tournament, though.

With Georgia? Nah. But just because they're in the SEC, probably. But, you know, like, Texas A&M, sneaky team, sneaky team. Texas A&M, they don't play offense. I mean, they do, they have to.

But they beat people. people up defensively. They really do. Where that hurt you in the tournament though is if you can't play offense, and the refs are very consistent in the tournament because they are graded every game to see if they get to move on to the next game. So there's no, hey, we're going to play it this way tonight, which kind of happens around the country in different leagues by different reps.

They know they're getting ready to go to the next game. So if you're a great defensive team, that helps. But if you have no offense at times because of how they're calling the game, you can really get yourself in trouble. I've watched too much, SEC. I can break down all the teams. I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry to interrupt.

Go ahead. No, that's good. But anyway, Florida was playing Georgia, and they were down by 20 points. So I was like, come on, this cannot end this way. So I got them at plus 10, plus 8, plus 5. It was one of those games, you know, where I'm like, I got to just keep going. Keep going, keep going. And they lost by four points.

So you hit that? I hit all three of them. I'm like, let's go, baby. I ribboned something on Instagram that I wanted to bring up. And that's how I save a lot of my stuff now is I ribbon it? Mike, how do I find my ribbons? Instagram has changed. You should be able to go to your bookmarks on your profile.

Oh, is that what the ribbon is? A bookmark? That makes sense. Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about at first with the ribbon. You go to the three dots on the top right of your profile. So the three slashes now? Yeah, the slashes. Okay.

Settings and activity. We're going to do this together. And you should see the saved little... Boom, got it. Thank you. That's where it is. What are you looking for? I had saved this thing that Draft Kings had done.

It was AI predicts where these free agents will end up. so number one T. Higgins this is AI that predicted they typed all this crap in and gave all the scenarios T. Higgins to the Carolina Panthers

Oh, boring with that cowboy But it'd be about money, right? Because if the Bengals don't Because they have Borough They're paying him a ton They have three other players And that's four

They're going to do four with basically max contracts Yeah Two wide receivers obviously one edge and they said they may have to with Higgins do the one year

franchise tag him and he doesn't want to be tagged so they say the Panthers digs to the Cowboys Stefan with his bro, that'd be cool that would be cool this is AI too by the way Cooper Cup to the Chargers

that'd be easy yeah you don't even got to move stays there Amari Cooper to the Ravens They could use him I feel like he'd be better though there too Because the Cowboys suck He wasn't with the Cowboys

He was with... No, when he was though Yeah, yeah But that's the last time I saw him play consistently He put Browns? Browns, bills The Browns didn't count He hardly played on the bills

He really didn't And the Browns didn't count Because they would have a quarterback Yeah So like I feel like the last time I saw him Have a chance With the Cowboys And they didn't

They sucked Yeah No offense dude That's all good Keenan Allen to the Chiefs Oh gosh He just gets hurt Debo to the Steelers

Oh man Chris Godwin to the Jaguars Devante Adams to the Lions Hmm If I'm Devante Adams I'd like that I like that'd be awesome Yeah You want to do quarterbacks real quick

This is not AI, this is us Where will they end up Where will they end up? Let's do a few of them Matthew Stafford He wants 50 million bucks Rams are like I don't think we're going to give it to you Matthew Stafford I'm going to say Stafford

ends up. So I think it's Giants or Raiders. I think Giants are probably the leader right now with the Raiders being number two. Out of the Rams, I'm not going to pay him 50 million bucks. And who needs a quarterback?

So Giants and the Raiders. Who else? I think the other teams aren't going to pay $50 million, though. So I think those are the two options. Two options that'll pay him, trade a decent draft pick. Because it's not, we're just going to take him

and pay him. You've got to pay him if you get him because he wants longer than a one-year deal. Yeah. So it's what pick can you give up? I think the Raiders have six, and the Giants have maybe two or three. Three?

Yeah. So you're going to probably trade. That's what the hope is, that first round pick. I can't see anybody trading that pick. Maybe a second and third rounder, but I think Stafford's probably a giant. Yeah, I would go to the Giants. That's what I was going to say.

Outside shot a Raider. Kurt Cousins. Tennessee. Oh, that's good. I want to say Cleveland. Stavansky was his play caller in Minnesota. and Kirk Cousins can do what we just saw happen from Denver to Pittsburgh with Russ Wilson where Russ was guaranteed all the money so he took the minimum to go to Pittsburgh so it didn't hit their cap at all

and because the Browns owe massage man 90 million bucks or whatever Deshaun yeah they can take cousins minimally he still gets his money if he's not staying as a backup. They're now saying the Falcons are still saying he's the backup. Yeah, there's no way. If he stays, they can pay him 90 million in one year or 50 for two or they can figure out how to trade him. And if they figure out to trade him to Cleveland, that also maybe gets Miles Garrett to stay. Because Miles Garrett's like, I'm out of here. We're not even trying. And he can go

for a few hundred thousand bucks and still make all the same money because of what he's owed in Atlanta. And he has a relationship with Stavansky. So that's my pick. That's pretty good pick, though. I was going to say you're pretty in depth. I mean, I just said the Titans. Just a random guess. Aaron Rogers? That's Titans. Oh, home. Like, going home.

He's going home. I'm going to pick the Rams. If Stafford leaves, and if Stafford goes somewhere and they get some decent picks, I think they probably draft their next quarterback, and Aaron Rogers is there for a year, maybe two, and that's a system he'd probably do really well in, because

everybody does. So I'm going to say the Rams, Stafford isn't there. I don't know what the Titans are going to do. I hope the Titans don't bring Rogers here. So if Stafford doesn't leave, then where does Rogers go? Probably the Titans, but that's annoying for us. Yeah.

And why would he want to come here? Yeah, just to play. He's got a house. He's got a house here. He's not going to, yeah. He's like, guys, don't worry. I got a house. We're good to go.

Mo the yard, dude. Stay there. Stay there. You don't got to do anything else. Stay there. We're all good. Other quarterbacks that can be moving around. Can we think of any other ones?

Oh, Sam Darnel. Oh, yeah. Are the Seahawks going to keep Gino? Yeah. What about the Steelers? So Rogers to the Steelers is also a thing, though. But I have not heard Darnold to the Steelers at all. So Darnold could really end up back in Minnesota.

Probably not, though, because I don't think they're going to pay him, especially because we talked to Kevin O'Connell, not ours, but the head coach. And just hearing him talk was like, hey, we're going to let him see what his value is. To me, that's, we're going to probably lose them. Yeah. I mean, I think the Raiders. For Darn. We're still on Darnel, right?

The Raiders would be good. If Stafford doesn't go there. I think you have a couple pieces, though, they're affecting other pieces. But I think the Raiders is good. Okay, interview coming up in a second. The 26 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Rodriguez after night one on Thursday.

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Let's get into our conversation with Grant McCasteland, head basketball coach at Texas Tech. You know, I oddly like all Texas Tech teams. There's no reason for me to dislike them, but I think I like Texas Tech because I'm an Arkansas fan. Now, that doesn't mean all Arkansas fans like Texas Tech specifically, but Texas Tech is like the school that's kind of got a grind in that state, meaning you got UT. You got Texas A&M, man.

You got a lot of big Texas schools, and I feel like Texas Tech is like, not so much in the shadow, but they're always like, I got to punch extra hard for people to pay attention. And that's what I feel like we have to do at Arkansas. So like I generally have a positive feeling towards Texas Tech Athletics for that reason.

Love football coach. Love this basketball coach. I mean, Grant McCaslin, he has been a winner. Before taking over in Lubbock, he led North Texas to an NIT championship of 2023 and their first ever NCAA tournament win. Massive deal.

North Texas through 10 seasons as an NCAA head coach. McCasteland's now 234 and 100. And he's 178 and 88 at the Division I level. I mean, just some fun facts. The 2020 Conference USA Coach of the Year. Three straight Conference USA Championships, over 700 career winning percentage. I can go on and on.

This year, Texas Tech is kind of rocking. 21 and 7. Right now they're third in the Big 12. They're playing Kansas on Saturday. Then they finish with Colorado and at Arizona State. Lenardi has them at a two, like a bottom two or an early three right now in the bracket. But I love this dude. I liked them until we talked with them.

And then I'm like, I'm in. I'm in. Here he is. My new friend, coach, Grant McCasland. Hey, coach, that's a pretty sick hoodie you have on, by the way. That's a good one. You want one? Yeah.

I'll send you one. He's shameless, coach. No, no. Is that Malbon? What, you got a little vest? You got a little... You got a little Malbon cardigan? You play golf, too? What's going on, coach? Man, I'll hit a ball in the woods. Yeah, so, okay, that's funny. What do you get to do during basketball season? I'm sure it's all basketball all the time. Do you have time to read books? Like, what in the world can you do during basketball season? Man, good question. I do a lot of things with my family. I got four kids,

So I got two boys to play hoops, the daughter that rock climbs. And we have a simulator at the house. We built a basketball barn. It's got two pickleball courts, a climbing wall, and a little golf sim area. So we turned it loose at night every once in a while in between some film sessions. Are you a little family? My wife played soccer here at Tech, so we'll play a little pickleball. That's what I was going to ask if you're a pickleball player.

We have a court. We just built a court here at the house. And this guy from Ohio, I posted a video coach on Twitter. It was just me hitting the ball. I got meta glasses. So, like, I was just literally recording game tape. Like, right? I like to watch, see how I'm improving.

And so some guy, like, trolled me on Twitter and was like, you suck. And I was like, I'll play you for $1,000. Didn't even know who he was. And he was like, I'm in. So now I got to fly to Ohio and play some dude I never met. He was a four-year D-1 athlete for $1,000 in pickleball. But I got, like, a weird competitive, like, insecurity. Like, growing up, how competitive were you?

Where did that come from? Oh, I'm a mess as a competitor. You know, you do these personality tests, and I don't even know which one it was, but you have to rank like your four, it comes back after you get done to answer and all these questions. It gives you like your four main characteristics, and my number one was competitive. And number two was like belief. And I'm telling you, it's awesome in everything but marriage.

Oh, you're so right. And I've only been married. You lose in marriage. Yes, like three years. So I'm pretty new to being married, but you're speaking the gospel. Like, it's like the young gospel to me, right? right now where I'm just learning that that's true, that it's not always about winning at times. You can lose, but still strategically win, which is probably not the best thing to, but you're

talking my language now. No, the true is the only way to really win in marriage is to lose. That's it. There is like that that is the end. Don't even try to even say you can win some and still win. No, it's zero. You lose, then you win. I'm curious basketball wise, coach, because you're, you're.

a defensive genius, I feel, just looking at, as you've risen through the ranks, looking at how good your defensive squads are. Is there the option to be great at both? Like, because, again, you're a defensive guy, your team is built, and I could be wrong, but I feel like you are, let's play defense hard and then the offense will happen. But is it possible to specialize in both at the same time? Yeah, definitely. You know, the truth is, as a young coach when I was 20,

six years old and got the opportunity to be a junior college head coach. We were in a conference with Mark Adams, who was the previous head coach at Texas Tech, who's a dear friend of mine. And in the rankings of all the past 25 years of defenses, that Texas Tech team in 2019 here is statistically the best defensive team ever in the last 25 years of college basketball. But he was actually the head coach at how. college when I was 26 and the head coach at Midland College. So I coached against it. One game, we had 14 points at the half playing against his defense. So honestly, my mind thinks offense,

but I've learned from him that you better be great defensively if you want to win. So we won a junior college national championship the first time we scored over 90 points and averaged over 80 points. So honestly, my mind thinks offense, but I'm such a competitor and I want to win that I've focused on the defensive part of it because I think that's something that's more controllable in the environment of winning a game. Coach, how upset do you get when your players miss free throws? Because I know as a viewer, I hate it. Yeah, well, I don't get upset at all, actually.

I don't care. Yeah, right. That's where fans are different than coaches. Because you don't really, that's an effort thing that you want to have a guy missed, try to let him squeeze that basketball really tight and worried about what you think, too. I mean, it's just, I think there's a balance to it. But it is funny because last year at Texas Tech,

we had the best free throw percentage in the history of the school. Okay? And I didn't talk to our guys about free throws one time. You know what I did? I recruited really good shooters so they could make them when it mattered. And honestly, there is a repetition, and I do think there's some skill obviously involved in it. But when you get to college, man, if you mess with somebody shot, that's a personal thing for them. And it's a difficult thing to change.

And, you know, it is funny because I do. do think it's more about confidence and repetition and feeling like you can step up there. But man, do people get mad at free throws? I mean, they're free. Why don't you make them? I'm like, well, because there's 15,000 people in here yelling and everybody's watching them. It's not the same. I was watching Arkansas, Texas.

Last night, I hate Texas with all my heart. I wish Texas would fall in a hole coach. And I'm an Arkansas guy, but we were missing free throws late. We always miss free throws. But I never thought that you should just recruit. good free throw shooters more so than spend 20 minutes to end of practice shooting free throws. Well, you know this. Like there are some repetition things that I do think make it more repeatable, which are when

you get under pressure, make it simpler for a person to control the variables. I mean, the less movement, the better in regards to efficiency. But I do think it's way more like mental than it is physical in a lot of ways. And the repetition of guys that have always seen them go in all their lives, there is something to that that gives them the different level of confidence when they step up to the free throw line. And now I coached guys where it's gone the other way too, where they went from being like 70 to like really bad. And what they did is they tried to go in and obsess over some detailed fix in their frito shot

and lost the connection to the confidence and flow of like being in the moment and being confident. It's a it's a wild battle. And when it goes downhill, I mean, it's like a lot of things in golf or other things that are repetitive in nature. and it can get worse. But that's where I don't even, we put guys in routines and we allow them the space to make improvements specifically,

but, man, I don't mess with that. How much do you put into, like, Linarty, put in you guys in certain places right now? Two-seat, I think I just saw. Oh, nothing. I mean, I don't mean that in disrespect to the people that make those decisions, but you and I both know, I mean, we've got three conference games

and then plus the conference tournament, and, man, so many things change. and the uncontrollables, I'm out of that game. When I was a junior college coach at 27, our second season, we had a path to maybe win the tournament. So I went through and, like, said, like, if we win this game, then we can be a two seed in the tournament. If we win these three games, then what happens if we win these four?

And I spent all this time doing all this math. And then you get to the end of the season, like I realized every second that I spent trying to figure out where they had us was two or three seconds that I could have invested in a relationship with someone that actually would have made an impact on winning. And so, man, I just flipped this whole thing in my brain of like anytime there's a, where do someone or what do I think could happen. I just like, well, let's invest in what actually does happen, which is people and relationships

and their impact on what we're doing as a team. And it's changed my perspective of all of the, thought process in regard to where they put people in the NCAA tournament and projections. With this part of the year, where's the balance in keeping players healthy and fresh and also keeping them in rhythm? Yeah, you know, in my experience, what we do right now is we push the throttle down at the beginning of practice and we'll start with a super competitive segment of like pressing because you get to the end of games and that's what really matters and we try to like rev it all the way up and get a transition drill going and then make it real competitive at the beginning of

practice. And then we taper it off. And then at the end is like mentally, how do you execute? But nothing competitive because what we found is guys get hurt, you know, kind of more when they get fatigued at the end of practice than they do at the beginning. So I still think you got to practice. And if you asked me one thing that I talked to all my buddies coaching like Scott Drew and, you know, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona and Ben McCollum at Dre. Drake and Ross Hodge at North Texas and Scott, you know, just we all talk about like, how do you make it competitive, but you don't want to get anybody hurt. But I do think there's a way to rev it all the way up where you still get that competitiveness

and you can still put the throttle all the way down and get what you need, but not, not put anybody in harm's away. Are there any heat check rules where if somebody's on, coach, and they're two, three, four in a row where it's like understood, take another one. Are there any heat check rules at all? I mean, if you say rules, there's like heat check. For me, I just love it when guys feel like Chance McMillan made one the other day at home where he shot it and turned around and went the other way.

And honestly, like, would I prefer him to not do that on all shots? Yes, but when you are playing with a different level of confidence, that means we're playing at our best. And so, man, I am, we love shooting threes. We shot 30 the other day and didn't make many of them. But I do think that there's a confidence level that your players have to play with on that side where once you get rolling, let's let's let it rip. Coach, what's your relationship with referees? Like sometimes it's very, you know, will you explain that call to me?

And then sometimes it's like, what are you thinking? You know all these guys, right? So what's your relationship with them? Man, I'll tell you what. I pray often. but I pray mostly about my relationships with refs and my wife. I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but it's this wild part of the game that you know that the outcome isn't supposed to matter to them,

but they impact the outcome so significantly by the flow and feel of it. And I'm confrontational in nature, so I don't mind the confrontation of communicating with them. But I don't think it's helpful. I got to be honest. I end up erring on the side, you get to the end that I wish I would have said less. And so in my areas of improvement, that usually ends up being one of the more significant ones is how do you communicate in a way that's respectful but doesn't imply that they're not doing a great job, honestly. And so I found more of that to be helpful, but I can't always do that.

in the moment. What if, like, your counterpart is going to town on a ref? Do you feel like you got to step it up and meet him with that energy, though, so he doesn't, like, rule the refs? You know, there's two parts that because you know you can look at those refs and go, like, if this guy says one more thing, it's going to get significantly worse for him. And you know the difference between that. And then when you look at the guy and he seems frazzled by what's being said by the other

coach, and then you know, like, well, you better get a little part of this. so that he doesn't just get in a place where he's making calls that don't necessarily help. So I do think there's some nuance maybe to that. But for the most part, the interactions in regards to that, you know the difference between somebody that complains a lot in our league and these referees talk and they do know going into each game. Like there's something different about someone that shows constant respect and ask questions and does want to understand that refs make mistakes too. And I do think

that there's a part of that, that there's a sincerity there that most of the guys that I work with, they're, they're awesome. And I do think that it's a difficult job. And when I look back on film, some of the calls that I complain about, now we have film on the bench. We used to not have this. Literally, we have access to every call every second when we watch it. We can, we can pull it up and timeout and cue everything, and I can watch it. And I watch most plays at half time of the game. So I have a better perspective, but I used to look back on it and go, man, I thought for sure that was a foul, and it wasn't one.

So I think given the benefit of the doubt over the course of the game and trying to be somebody that's, man, just in a real way, trying to understand what the game is really being called like and trying to do your best to adapt is the best way to do it. Is there peaking too early, and where do you guys feel like you are? are in the peaking scale. Yes, there is in regards to, I think, a fatigue of your team when you kind of know all your weaknesses and those have been magnified. And I think that's when your team takes that dive. And I think as a coach, our hope is to find this real gratitude and belief in each other where you can concentrate. I'll give you an example. Like, you can watch film with a team and you can show

them all 15 turnovers of what happened. And you can magnify those things. And I think at the end of the season, how you really peak is you start showing only the plays that you know that one that can be catastrophic in nature and that your team is repeating. You show those. But really, you try to show all the things that you want your team to do. And those guys that honestly get encouraged that way, it shows them more as highlighted and people want to do what you want them to do more than you telling them.

what not to do. And I think the season's long for everybody. So when you get to the end of the year, those people have been told like, don't do that. Don't do that. You're messing this up. You can see the decline and it wears on everybody because it is a long season. You're around each other all the time and there are all these pressure moments and all you want to do is tell them what you don't like about them because that's the easiest thing to identify. But to me, the way you get your team to peak at the end is you really get them to believe what your best at as a team. And then they take away, man, this is a lot. is what I can do, even if it's a role, and people don't like saying that word, but if it's a role

that they can be great at, then they know this is where they're at their best to make the team the best. And I will tell you that our team's starting to really believe what we can do the best. Really, the key is just how healthy can you be, and that's probably the greatest determining factor of whether you go into these tournaments, you know, peaking is whether you're healthy. So that's one aspect, but I think the other aspect is, like, the real belief in each other and what you do well and everybody basically like pouring into what those things that make your team great. Coach, I was watching your game against Houston, and I noticed that Patrick Mahomes and his wife were there.

Is that cool for your team to see Patrick and his wife, like sitting right next to you guys? And even coaching a little bit too, him yelling and standing up and getting into the game. Oh, it was, it was epic. It was awesome. And I got a phone call from Dusty Womble, who's a region. and I'm telling he's like one of the greatest guys I know, not just people that support Red Raider basketball and football, but his name's on our practice facility.

He's just one of the greatest husbands and dads that I know. He's awesome. So he calls me and he's got the seats, those Hollywood seats, and he's got the seats across from the bench, too, four on the floor. And he's like, where do you think we should sit in my homes? And I was like, wherever he wants to sit. If he wants to sit by the bench, it's great. So he comes and sits by the bench.

and honestly I don't interact with him a ton but he's an unbelievable supporter of our university in our athletic department and we got all these players that he's supporting it's really unbelievable. Well, I meet him like face to face in the locker room before we go out and he was really complimentary.

Then we go sit on the floor and I introduced myself to Brittany for the first time and I'm like, you guys let it rip over here have a good time. She said, so you mean I can say anything to the refs? And Patrick's like, don't tell her that because you may get it. I was like, as long as you sit in these chairs, you can.

But if you move over and get in my four chairs, then you probably shouldn't say anything to them. But no, they were, honestly, their energy and their belief and what we're doing is just a separator for us. And it was a blast. They were awesome. Two final questions for you, coach. Tournament expansion, your thoughts?

Honestly, that kind of goes in the category of what we talked about earlier of, like, you know, what seed are we? I just don't have any control over it. And I like the tournament the way it is. I mean, you know, 64 to 68. I know there's a lot of reasons for it to be different. I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'm barely smart enough to call timeout at the right time,

not run into Patrick Mahomes and a timeout. You know, I mean, it's something probably out of my pay grade. Okay, I'm not going to count that as a question then since you didn't have really an answer and you act like you're dumb when you're obviously brilliant. But okay, I hear you. I hear you, coach. Okay, let me switch it up then. Is there a movie or like a scene from a movie that you show your players

every year? Ooh, yes, there is. There is. Shoshank Redemption. Which part? Climbing to the poop? Yes. Really?

Yes, that's the season. That's the season. So it's like you find a way to break through and you finally get an opportunity and then you got to go sludge through all this. And I actually reference it during games quite often because let's just say you've missed eight shots in a row.

And you know, you feel this like desperation. Like you never know where the end of the tunnel really is and you don't really know exactly where you're going to have to go through until you get through it. And so it's just this mental imagery of the freedom that you have that you don't know when it's going to break through for you, but it's worth it when you finally get there. And yeah, that's the that's the one. Final question for you. It's a family question. High profile job. Your wife went to school there. I have other friends that are head coaches, football, basketball, different universities. And there's a dynamic when things are going great,

you're the hero when things eventually don't go great for a short amount of time or a long amount of time, you're not the hero, but you're very public and your family has to take the good and the bad. Is that a conversation you've had with your family at all going, hey, it's not always going to be awesome, but it's not real when it's not? Oh, no question. I mean, this is honestly, man, my faith, my relationship with the Lord is the only thing that really is important. And I think in that my relationship with my wife is what's that that's everything. I mean, C.C. She's an, she was an unbelievable competitor.

She's beautiful. She's freaking so cool. She's a blast. But when we were losing at North Texas one year, we lost seven of our last eight games. She like wouldn't talk to me after games. She's so mad at me. But not mad at me, but just mad at like, why is this happening and why can't we fix it? But as a competitor when you're the wife, you can't really go coach a game. And then I've got two sons that play. I've got four kids.

My daughter, they all play point guard. They all play basketball. They rock climb. They're like super competitive. And they just love this. But I think the thing that you and I both know is like if there's anything I want them to know is that I love them no matter what. Like there's a real grace to this. And there's a real humility in knowing that when everybody is shaming you that or whatever the case may be making fun of you or there's,

there's some difficulty in that, like, that there's a love there that is consistent no matter what you perform. And honestly, like, I hope my wife and I's marriage and the way that we interact with each other teaches them that, like, how do we love each other in a way that isn't connected to how good you are at something. And I do think that that's the foundation of being great. And so when you say that, I just think it's how you live your life every day. where you love your kids and you help them in ways that aren't tied to their performance. And I think that's the key to all this. And I think that's the key to our team.

And I think that's the key to life and that how do you love people? So after we play these awesome games and we play really good, I tell our guys to pull out their phones and scroll and see 500 text messages. And then when we lose a game that we're not supposed to lose, go pull out your text message. And there's two text messages most of the time. And one of them's from their mom. You know, it's like these are the people that honestly, unfortunately in this deal are going to be connected to you no matter what.

And those are the people that you need to call and think first when we win and do great things. And that's kind of how we try to mirror this all as how being a part of a team relates to your family, which relates to your question in regard to how you handle all this. I mean, I'd climb up a poopy tunnel for you, coach. You got me? I'm ready to climb to a tunnel of poop, whatever you need me to do. Yes, sir. I'm rooting for you guys.

I rarely say any other team stuff. But, you know, wreck them. Big 12, let's go. That's what I say, wreck them. I love it, man. Rec them. Yeah, beat the crap out of Kansas, win the tournament. Let's get a good seat.

Hope you're near me. I'll come watch. But not far. I'm not going to travel far. But if you're near me, regionally, I'll come watch. Coach, thank you so much. Good luck the rest of the season. And we really appreciate the time.

This is awesome. I hope you win $1,000 in the picture. Yeah, me too. Yes, sir. Thank you, coach. Thank you guys for listening. We're back next week. It looks like at some point next week, I think we're going to get Damon Stademeyer on,

who's the head coach at Georgia Tech, but also like crazy good NBA career. So that would be fun. Also, more analysis from Eddie betting college basketball. Yeah, a lot of good stuff. When Eddie's like, listen to the story, man. And then they only lost by four and I won. Man, I'm close to getting one of those 12 game parlays. What's close?

Eight? No, I've gotten like 11 before. Yes, I've gotten really close. But what's crazy, that's when you look at it later. It's usually the first game. I'll lose the first game. I'm like, oh, that's stupid. But then you look back and I hit every game after that, that sucks.

And because you never pay attention to go back and look once you've already lost, you don't even know. It's usually like a Sunday night when I'm not doing anything. I'm like, let's see how my week went gambling. I almost hit that. It's crazy. That's funny. So there's another thing, too, if you want to really feel dumb. You can go over to our episode of Lots to say.

It's Matt Castle on myself. And it's on me because I had Matt try to teach us quarterback terminology. And he thought he was really dumbing it down for us. And I'm telling you about halfway through, I looked at Kevin. And Reed doesn't know much about sports. So it's fine. But I looked at Kevin. Kevin looked at me and we're like, dude, we got to walk back about three steps.

And he's like, oh, really? He's like, but Z-flare, da, da, da. And he thought he was breaking it because I wanted to know. like teach us from the beginning so we can have this one thing to know if we're like talking with friends and we're like yeah but the zero slot Z flare. Yeah. And he was like

maybe this is why I don't coach. I don't know how to yeah. Simplify it. Yes. And he'd be like what you want to do is we want to make sure your boss gets to blah blah and the weak side boss was one of the terms. Yeah because the boss was basically the full back. It was the back on the strong safety.

Holy crap. There you go. So if they're running boss it's the back to get to the strong safety. But it's inside of like 72 other words. I do feel good, though, about what we learned about personnel when they say 13 personnel. Yeah. Because they talk about that a lot on the broadcast, too. And so you can listen to that, but 13 personnel is one runner back, three tight ends.

But he goes into all that. But there was one point where we gave up. We're like, dude, we can't do this anymore. Do this with your quarterback friends. Yes. Well, it was my fault because I suggested it. I was like, make us smarter. But go listen to that.

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