The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Bobby Explains Why He Has an Agent + Coach Bill O'Brien on The Truth Behind 'Hard Knocks' Filming + Bobby and Eddie's Feelings Hurt by Kevin

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Bobby starts with the free agent frenzy including whether or not Aaron Rogers is going to the Giants and Deebo Samuel traded to the Commanders. Bobby takes it as an opportunity why he has an agent, manager and how much each of them take. Bobby also talks about rehearsing with his former band, O-Town, yesterday and what made him nervous. We talk to Bill O'Brien who is the Head Football Coach at Boston College. He talks about their sold out season, why he loves Rick Ross and how hard it is to have the Hard Knocks crew filming your team. He also talks about his time on The Patriots working with Bill Bellechick plus his favorite Nick Saban, Matt Cassell, JJ Watt stories.  Bobby and Eddie Follow the Show: @BobbyBonesSports Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, Bill O'Brien coming up in a little bit. Head football coach of Boston College, but head coach of the Texans, went to Penn State, was in the Alabama Hey, go coach for Nick Saban for a minute, and then it'll put you back into the program. Was he a coordinator? Yeah. Defense coordinator.

Offensive coordinator, was he not? I believe so. Yeah. Because he's been a quarterback and wide receivers guy. So he'll be on from Boston College and just a little bit, so that'd be cool. Where do I want to start? Let's do real sports for a second.

Blow the whistle. Eddie? Real sport. Why'd you yell real sports? Because you said you want to do real sports. Well, I was going to talk about pickleball for a second, but I want to do real sports first before we get to that, actually. Debo Samuels is going to the commanders.

Oh, gosh. You're a Cowboys fan. How does it make you feel? That's brutal, man. They're just stacking up over there. It's just going to be hard. The Eagles are going to be good again. Commanders, they're setting up to be good again.

I mean, that's going to leave the Cowboys in third place. Probably we're going to have no chance for the playoffs again. I mean, Aaron Rogers probably goes to the Giants now. Oh, my. That's even worse. and he'll probably play pretty well. I can see him playing pretty well with the Giants, much better than he did with the Jets.

Yeah, yeah. It's going to be like that. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah. You're a Jets fan. We're cursed. And also, a longer time from that injury. That's, that kill these injuries. And he was playing better towards the end of the year, so.

So the Debo Samuel trade is to the commanders for a fifth round pick, and it's not so much about the pick because you're like, dang, he's pretty good. Why did he only get a fifth rounder? Mostly it was because of the basically $18 million. salary and the fact that he's always hurt. So, as a Cowboys fan, probably not what you want to hear. We got Jonathan Mingo, though,

gave our third round pick for him. But you did that last. Just looking back at moves like that, you're just like, oh. And then the commanders, they give a pick, a fourth round? Fifth round for freaking Debo Samuel. I feel like he's going to go off this year too, right?

Yeah. And he's got something to prove now, and like, they can use him in the run game, Shadden Daniels. He got a good quarterback. Yeah, yeah. That's going to be pretty cool. The commanders are starting to be a real team, which is weird,

because they haven't been in a long time. I mean, the end of the Redskins, the Washington football team or club or whatever they were for a minute, the commanders, they kind of suck. They've kind of been a team that sucked for a long time. So you just think their colors suck. Like anybody that colored a team, that sucks. Like, if a team is that bad that long,

that's how I feel about the Jaguars. Like, if anyone is that kind of like bluish green, I'm like, they must suck because that's a loser color. That's funny how you associate that. Because, yeah, what is that? Maroon? That ugly rusty, whatever it is. And that double you is a terrible looking logo.

But I'm telling you, a little bit of winning changes that. You start to go, that's a pretty solid W. That's a good font right there. So, yeah, that sucks for the Cowboys because it looks like the commanders with new ownership are starting to be a real life. They're starting to be a Pinocchio. I'm a real boy. Look at that.

Sorry, dude. And you talk to Jaden Daniels. Like, what's he like? Chills could be. chill as could be cool as the other side of the pillow keep going cool as a cucumber

cold as ice he's willing to sacrifice I love like nothing it seems like nothing gets to that guy yeah yeah whatever and I don't know if I would think that

if people hadn't been saying that a lot on television because the talking heads are like yeah nothing affects him and then when you meet him and you've already had that built into you you're like oh I see what they mean if I were to have met him

without that, I'd have been like, that guy didn't care about anything. But because people that actually know him, talk about him, I believe them, plus I'm having to be super nice. He was like, nice, he was like good manners. You say yes, sir, do you? Super polite. Yeah. So, yeah, sorry, dude.

Debo's name is only 29, which is crazy. Seems like he's about 43 because he's been injured. Like, he feels like he's my age. Commanders are optimistic, obviously, or they wouldn't spend the $18 million bucks on it. Other free agency stuff. we mentioned Aaron Rogers because Stafford

is resigning in L.A. and is getting his money for another couple years. Aaron Rogers obviously is not going to go to L.A. I think that was the move had Stafford decided to go to the Giants or to the Raiders. Stafford staying in L.A. It looks like Aaron Rogers to the Giants it's not a foregone conclusion, but it seems

to be trending that way, which probably means they won't draft a quarterback, right? I mean, I don't know, because I think they're hoping that he can mentor. But how have they tried that, Zach, Zach Wilson? Yeah.

Not a lot of mentoring. With the Jets, you mean. Yeah, exactly. So. Yeah. But again, he did get hurt immediately.

Maybe in his older age, he won't be such a douchebag. Right. He was humbled a little bit. Maybe. We keep waiting for that. Yeah. I know.

You're right. That's a good point. Never happens. But like, he wasn't super warm with Jordan Love from any of the conversations I've had with people that know. But what's crazy is,

is that he wasn't treated warmly when he came up with Brett Farr. Oh, yeah. Right. So you would think someone who kind of was treated like garbage wouldn't treat someone like garbage. And again, my sources are seven out of tens about the Green Bay situation. I don't know. Aaron Rogers, he also seems like the kind of guy that if you even let him know that he's going to go in a mentoring role, he's not cool with that.

Like, I'm only here to play. I'm here to win. I don't care about the next generation. That's your problem. Not mine. And if you sign them, you sign them probably to a two-year deal and you hope he is able to complete that contract, but you're going probably one, maybe two. But does he think that is the question? Right, right.

He may think he's Superman. He's done just enough ayahuasca to feel like he's invincible. Stefan Diggs is a free agent. That'd be cool. Would you like the Cowboys to have him? Would love it. Brother and brother? I think there's nothing better than having family members together in one team.

Do they have enough money? Probably not. Yeah. Especially if they got to sign Michael Parsons. Yep. I mean, DAC took most of their money. Now they got to sign Michael Parsons.

It's going to take a good chunk of money. I mean, CDLAM took a big part of it too. Yes, I understand. Three players are taking a lot of the Cowboys money. But we did lose Zach Martin, so maybe that frees up a little bit of money. That sucks, though. He retired. He was stable.

Yeah, man. He was a stud. You treated that like it was a positive. And I'm here to tell you. Just money. Just money-wise. It's almost like you look at it You cannot replace that. But you look at it like

All right, that does suck. That's tough for us. But that is some money that we have left over now. Now maybe we can use of that somewhere useful. There is nowhere more useful than the offensive line. He retired. There's nothing we could do about that. No, I know, but you're acting like it's a good thing. You're talking yourself into it. I'm not allowing it. No, dude, it's getting worse. Did you see him at the honors?

No. He was there. I didn't see him. It's pretty cool to see him there. I've never seen him before. He's a big man. Justin Fields So the Steelers are reportedly leaning towards

Signing Fields over Russell Wilson As of this hour I don't know what they're going to do For a while it was Aaron Rogers to the Steelers He's kind of flirted with everybody But if they sign Fields It's more of a long-term play He's only 26 years old

He was 4-2 before getting benched But the defense was playing awesome So that 4-2 I'm not going to say Justin Fields won four games But he didn't play terrible and Russell Wilson I think was just going to be the guy until he wasn't but Russ is a free agent Raiders Yeah what are the Raiders doing over there

Garoppolo Russell Wilson Pete Carroll Reunion Yeah well that'd be cool I guess They want some rules They kind of ended pretty poorly right I feel like it was sour

From any indications that I had Because he traded him Right Like he wanted out But also the Garoppolo situation they act like Pete Carroll loves Jimmy Garoppolo won. Let's not forget.

Garoppolo won. He got to the Super Bowl. Yeah. When did Garoppolo play for Carroll? No, I didn't say that. I'm just saying he acts like, they're saying Pete Carroll likes Garoppolo. I don't think they ever played. No.

Yeah. He gets together. T. Higgins. Yeah, he's good. I don't know where Cincinnati is getting money. I mean, if anything, they'll tag him, a franchise tag him. I don't think they can pay all. I don't think they pay Jamar Chase.

Uh, uh, Hendrickson. Yeah, and T. Higgins, when they can tag T. Higgins. Uh, Killel Mack.

And he's getting older, huh? Yeah, he's up there now at this point. I mean, he's like, yeah, he's been around the block.

The Eagles, kind of the leader in the clubhouse there. Makes sense. I would love to go to the Eagles if I were old. Heck yeah. I mean, they are ready to go.

They are. I mean, Miles Garrett, if he's, if he goes to the Eagles, oh my God. Like, it's going to,

it's. And they'll trade the picks, too, They will. Because Miles Garrett's not an old man. Right. Yeah. And he's awesome.

It's like him and T.J. Watt. Like that's top tier. I think Henderson's right below them. Yeah. Yeah. Just barely. Yeah. But holy crap.

And then Sam Darnold. So Darnold very much could be a raider. He could. Could be back with the Vikings if they feel like J.J. McCarthy is not progressing in a way. But I feel like from what I'm hearing, and I do have a couple decent connections. I do now have a lot connections. I do now have odd connections. I know.

It's weird. I do have odd connections. I feel like he is progressing at the rate they expect him to. Which is wild because I feel like when he came out of college, everyone was like, oh, he just hands the ball off. He doesn't do any, you know, he can't make NFL throws. And it's just like, you know. I feel like that was, yes, and that was what was said.

But I feel like a lot of that was just because the offense that Michigan ran because they never had to throw the ball. They never had to. Right. They got up and then just here you go. Here you go. Read, how you doing, buddy? Just staring at me.

I'm good, man. You know, I'm just, I'm here listening, you know? I'm enjoying the show. We appreciate that. He's like a listener, but in person. Exactly. That's cool. What do you think about free agency?

Man, you know, I wish we could be free agents in life. You are. You are literally a free agent. You can do whatever you want. You're leaving this show. Oh, my gosh. You're not even contractually obligated. You walked right into that, man.

I kind of am a free agent. I never made you sign a contract. I need an agent. An agent would only take you if he felt like he could make money off of you. Oh, that's fair. That wouldn't happen. You'd keep all the money. What do you mean?

in. Yeah. Yeah. I'll keep on the money. An agent would take 10%. 10? Unless it's a massive contract, and then they would take less. Like there are certain, in certain sports, they can't take more than like 2.5 or 3%

because you're talking about millions of dollars. Where it's weird with these college athletes is the agents can go 20%, 15%, because there are no regulations. And so you have college athletes going, I'm in, and they're having to give 20% of their money away. I mean, could you even say 50%? You can say whatever you want. in certain situations. Like if an agent, I have an agent, and I have an agency, so I have different agents inside that agency, but my main agent, it's 10% of anything except for like my big radio deal, which is 2%.

But if I'm like touring, it's 10%. That's crazy. Yeah, it's 10%. But it also gets you a lot of opportunities. So that's the way, right? Is it worth giving up 10%? am I getting 17% 14% from the agent

to give up 10% that makes sense now I give my management 15% Oh wow So you're spreading it across That's already 25% Immediately And my business manager gets 5%

That's 30% Any money I make 30% Woohoo So you're just hoping you get more opportunities then That everybody is just helping you That is the plan Now for my radio contract

it is not at 30%. My radio contract is much lower. Like I mentioned, with baseball players, football players, there's only a certain level they can take. But for if I'm touring, if I'm doing television, all that, it's 30%. That's crazy. Wow, I'm learning stuff, man.

It sucks. Yeah. Because I have to pay it out every two months. So I'm writing checks. That just seems like a lot of organization you've got to have. That's why your business manager is worth 5%. because bills don't come to my house. I have to pay percentages everywhere.

And so she does that. And she also, I'll call her and be like, hey, can I buy this? Oh, yeah, just to make sure. Yeah, like, what do we do? I grew up with no understanding of money. Now I have an understanding of money

six out of ten because I've had to learn. But for a long time, I didn't have a business manager and I was just writing percentage checks not knowing exactly what I was doing. So you don't even look at that stuff. You literally are just like, tell me if there's a problem

and I will ask you if you think the time. Yeah. Do you get the number when you have to write those checks? Do you get the number of what you owe them? Because the percentage kind of right. The percentage sounds like, oh, it's only 10%. It's only 15%. Well, it's never only. But when you look at the number, you're like... Yeah, I look at my bank account every day.

Wow. Really? Every day. Sometimes twice a day. See, that would stress me out, man. I look, I am really insecure and neurotic about not having any money again because I've been there. And so I watch it all the time. I watch see if I've been getting scammed. See, I watch what I'm spending, see who's, all of it.

Sometimes I will tell my wife spend more money because she'll be like, I know how weird you are about stuff. I don't know. We're not going to spend anyone. That's a good day. And I'm like, hey, like, there's not been a single charge. Like, we're good. Is she like, you got it?

No. That's what I would be. She can't. I'm like, give me the car keys. No. And I don't know if it was ever like that. I don't know how to react. That's good for it.

Yeah. Yeah. You're kind of glad it's not like that. Kind of, but I am like, hey, but I look at everything all the time where my business manager knows I look at everything all the time. Do you know when you get paid? Oh, yeah. Okay. Dude, there are some on the, because we get paid the 15th and the last day of the month.

Yeah. 30th. There are days where if I'm awake at 12, I'll look and see if it posted. Oh, man. And then I get breakdowns of everything. That's good, man, because you read those stories of, like, artists getting like, their, money people like scamming them out of like millions of dollars and they never knew because they don't check balances they didn't look at their bank account and mostly even more than that it's because

they didn't know money to begin with and then they didn't check so most people that grow up understanding money which i did not at least know how much is coming in and what it kind of should be where if you're like from a small town or you grow up poor and all of a sudden you get you're a ballplay you got money. What are they really get in trouble is they don't take taxes out if you are, what do they call it, if you're just working for yourself? So proprietor? Whatever, close enough. Independent contractor? Thank you, Mike. Independent contractor. Because I have jobs where I do that. Like my television work, all independent contract jobs. So if they say we're going to pay you $50,000, it comes as $50,000. It's up to me, take the taxes out.

That's my business manager. So a lot of times, these people that get trouble for taxes, they're getting in trouble because not because they were like, oh, screw. the government, it's because they don't know that what they got is money. They then have to go figure out what to pay in. And then like a Dane Cook, which was his brother was his money guy, you just trust him wholeheartedly. So one, you don't know money and two, you trust what they're doing the right thing. And then it gets so lost that even when you do find it, millions are gone. There's nothing you can do about it. Like Baker Mayfield, right? With that whole controversy too. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Joel.

Yeah, tell me about that one. Billy Joel, same thing. He had a money. He had a money. He had a financial guy, and he just took, like, millions of dollars had no idea that it was gone. It's crazy. A lot of, well, California's passed a new law. Mike, have you seen this about influencers? About, if you use your kids in influencing, like a... Oh, yeah, yeah. If you use your kids in, like, a certain amount of your social media content, I want to just make up the number.

I think it's around 40%. You have to pay them a certain amount. It has to stay in a trust. And so that's California only. No, everybody's moving out of California. They don't want to do that. They don't want to have to pay their kids. That's terrible. I was watching one and she was like, I prayed about it and God told me that we should move. And it's like, no, no, you use your kids and your content. Yeah. And so you don't want to, you should just say that. Like there's the kid Ryan. Remember Ryan's reviews? Yes. I mean, dude, he made them so much money. And yeah, I guess legally they didn't have to give him any of the money. They wanted to keep all the money they could. And poor Ryan, that was his show. You're saying poor Ryan. Do you not get the money? No, I don't know what that happened. But I mean, with this law, it's like they have to give him money.

If they're in 30% of the content, they have to set aside 65% of the earnings for the kids. Oh, dang. So with Ryan, though, he's the main person. He's the dude. So I'm assuming that's different than a mom blogger who uses their kid in a bunch that's not paying their kid. Like, Ryan's the main dude. You should get all the money then. You should.

And the parents just look over it. But, like, McCauley Colkin, I think got a bunch of money taken by his parents. Like, there are those Hollywood stories. Especially back then, too, probably. Yeah, because you can't really log on. Yeah. I think a big benefit now is at any point I can get on my phone on apps and see. Right.

That's so true. Where back then, what do you do? You drive to the bank? I'd like to see, please. You wait for the letter to come in the mail? Yeah. Your statement. Yeah.

I don't know how we got to this point. I don't know either. But it's a good conversation. It's been fun. Yeah. How do we get here? Free agents. Free agents?

Free agents. It's my fault. It's my fault. You are a free agent. For many reasons. One, didn't make you sign a contract. That's true. You can leave it anytime.

That's true. Two, you're actually out anyway. If today is March 3rd, so in March and April. That's it. You have less than two months here. Less than two months. Do you know where you're going to live yet? Nope.

I told, no, I wasn't telling you. I was telling Tim. You don't tell me anything. We have to hear from like Kevin or Tim. I will find out on your birthday. My birthday? March 21st. March 21st.

It was your birthday this weekend too. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. You have to stop doing that. What's up? People are telling me happy birthday. Like random people are. year. It's my favorite bit. I do it like six times a year. I do it like six times a year.

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Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now, I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast,

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turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Somebody came up to me the other day. I was like, I'm so sorry, I sent you a text on your actual birthday. And I didn't realize it was your birthday. I'm like, it wasn't my birthday.

Bobby just does that crap. To me, it's the bet that doesn't die. It's almost like, and I don't mind talking about it openly here on this show, it's almost like the O-Town bit, where 10 years ago, I made the joke that I was one of the original. original members of O-Town. But then I told our listeners, I'm making this joke, but you're now in on the inside joke. I was never a part of O-Town. And O-Town was formed on a television show. There were no early days of O-Town. So for 10 years, I've just said I've been a member of O-Town, especially way early in the band, before they ever had a hit. And I left. Couldn't really cut it once they got famous. I couldn't really sing good enough to be in a vocal group. And I'm super

happy for their success. But I've just kept the bit going. I got committed to the bit 10 years later. And tomorrow night at the million dollar show, we're going to reform. They're here. We rehearsed last night. That's all that. Had you ever run the joke by them? No. Oh my cat.

That to me is the best part. No, I'd never met them or communicated them anyway until last night. Just going to show up. They showed up and it felt a little weird because I didn't know them. Two, I didn't want them to think I would make up fun of them. I love O-Town. Yeah. It was just, one day I just was going to pick a boy band that wasn't in sync or backstreet boys.

It could have easily been 98 degrees. That's why I was gone. Yeah. It could have easily. Ben, but I like O-Town better, because I love, I want it all, nothing at all. That's a jam, right? And so I picked them.

And they came in, I didn't quite know what to say. Brothers! And so they walked in, and three of them of the four, because Ashley died. Oh, yeah. I didn't know they lost a member. Yeah.

And so three of the four were there last night at rehearsal, and they were all really nice but a couple of them were super like cool like this joke's finally going to pay off and I was like I'm glad they see it like I do. Good. Yeah. So we practiced last night

I still suck. They should kick me out of the band again. That's how it ends. They kick you out again. Well, so they didn't know me and they thought I was just hosting the concert because I wasn't part of the rehearsal because if I get up and sing songs,

I'm going to blow my voice. set for the show. Yeah. So at this point I've learned, don't. So I was there, you and I split time. The rehearsal was like seven hours long. So Eddie was up there and we tagged you. I got up. I got there and Eddie was leaving and so we switched out and then

they came in and I wasn't on stage singing because Tracy Lawrence was up there, Russell Dickerson's so they just thought that I pass it to different people. And I was like no, no, no. Like I play and sing with every performance. My whole band does. They were like oh but then I have to say but I really can't sing it was a weird thing where it's like

I sing with every performance but I really can't sing because then I have to do so we got up and I'm singing Ashley's part and they were like do this part and I'm a little nervous because come all they think I might can sing I'm Mike I don't mind do you see the clip over there let me find it okay I don't mind playing it here um so they're coming out and they do like They had a hit called Liquid Dreams, and it's the whole dance thing. And then they do that. And then I come back on and we sing the big song together because I told them I can't learn the choreography for the dance stuff. I was about to say, can you dance with a please?

You're the champion. Yeah, champion. It took me a week to learn a minute. Anybody. And nothing else. It was hard, hard work. Can you imagine, though? And so I said, hey, so let's organize this.

And so they're going to do. And then there's like a beat. And then it starts, don't. all or nothing starts and then I come in and I was a little nervous because I can't sing like that they're pure vocalists

like they just sing they're like ooh do you have it Mike? Yeah so this is me it's in a rehearsal room audio's not great but you can hear it go ahead

sing it by oh I lose it there I lose it there I lose it there it slipped a little bit I feel like I can almost keep and I told them I said come in

or you got to help me you got to help me I said so I'll do a couple lines but they were like no sing the whole thing I'm like no no no no you have the wrong idea of what I'm trying to do here I was like I can just do background vocals all the time they're like no we think you need to sing

and so do you have another one yeah here's another one here we go so yeah that's so good that second clip's good man I just don't want to like be so bad I'm ruining it so I'm just uh there are times it seems to me

let it do da da da keep the notes close Yes. No jumps. No leans. Are you singing a lot? Like in the car, like every minute of the day? Last night I went home and found it in the key of G, which is what they sing it in?

No, C, they sing it in C. How did you find that? I asked them. I was like, what key is? I sing everything in G. And they're like, C, crap, okay? It's kind of close, though. That's your key.

That's what we do. And so, it's in C. And so, yeah, I've found karaoke in the key of C. And then you're right. if I keep the notes close together it's harder to scroll up Keep it in those three notes There are times it seems to me

I be do do do do do do do do do do do do do do That's going to be fun That's it So anyway they were cool about the joke And they were like This is super cool because it's a charity thing It was fun It was good

What are you checking your head for? So like imagine if they walked in And they were like, hey man I just want to say I don't appreciate you acting like They wouldn't come. They wouldn't come, though, right? What would you do?

I don't think they would come. And if they did that, I would go... Yeah, that's true. I would go, hey, I understand, I appreciate that. I can understand why you would feel that way. Totally. But here's why I've been saying this. It wasn't to make fun of you.

It was, I liked you guys so much. I was going to insert myself in a boy band. I'm the age of you guys. And it was just a running joke. But they knew about the running joke. They've known about it forever. That's so great. That's awesome. So, yeah, that's that.

That should be fun. So, Reed, you are a free agent. Free agent, baby. Do what you want, man. I don't know what to do. Do what you feel. Oh, wait. Is Ashley Parker Angel not dead?

Did you just make that up? I thought he was dead. He was just on vacation? Maybe he's just out of the group. Oh. Let me see, hold on. He's 43. I guess he's still alive.

I know the, maybe I'm confusing him in LFO. I know the LFO guy died of, like, leukemia. Which one? What does he say? What part of? Yeah, he's the main guy Okay, he's the main singer I think two of them have now died at an LFO

Dang The reason I didn't pick LFO Instead of O-Town I remember thinking this in my head LFO only had three members And it was easier I needed more Right, you can blend in better

Yeah Smart man Yeah I think I got a mixed up Because last night They were like singing Ashley's part And I was like rest in peace In my head In my head

In my head I guess he's not I guess he's not dead Oh my God He comes out. Oh my God. Wow. I really, I'm glad I didn't say anything because I really thought, like in my head.

I really thought in my head, okay, I want to, there's full disclosure here. I thought in my head are people going to get mad I'm singing the dead guys part and I don't sing it well? Like, are they going to get upset? Wow. So there were five members of that band originally? Yeah. And there's four now. Yeah.

Do they play a lot? They tour a lot? They do a lot of shows now because everything from like the 90s or 2000 is cool again. Yeah. It's like the country music artists that are touring again. Okay. Rich, the lead singer and co-founder of LFO, died on September 8th, 2010, after battling leukemia. Devin passed away in 2018 due to adrenal cancer.

LFO. Dang, that sucks. Okay. Mike, good? Yep. That kind of went to a place I didn't expect it to. No. The whole conversation.

We're going to come back and talk to Bill O'Brien, the head football coach at Boston College, who also was the head football coach with the Texans. Also was coaching with Sabin and Belichick with the Patriots. Okay, we'll come back just a second. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks.

Listen to NFL Daily with Greg. Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio app. Open the app, search NFL daily, and listen now. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered

conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Cliverts Show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change.

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, we're going to go over to our interview with Bill O'Brien, head football coach of Boston College. He was hired as the 37th head football coach last year, about this time last year. He began coaching at Brown University in 1993. He has been the head coach at Penn State and the Houston Texans.

He was appointed the head coach of Boston College. First year went seven and six, turned the program around already, which is why I lead with one of the questions like, what was the ceiling? He was nicknamed T-pot during his time with New England Patriots. I didn't ask him about that. Why was he named T-Pot? Don't know and don't care. It feels like something...

He was a very emotional coach. Is that why? That's what I heard. Yeah, Brian Hoyer and Tom Brady used to make fun of him. Really? He said battles and he would get so heated that he would start crying.

So they called him T-pot. I'm glad I didn't ask him about that. Wow. I think he's pretty open about it, though. Okay. I'm still glad I didn't ask him about that. T-Pot sounds like a nickname. Your bullies name you.

Right. He's also a distant cousin of Conan O'Brien and I No way. They both have the same last name. So yeah, that makes sense. Wow. Well, there's a lot of O'Brien's.

That to me is bigger than anything he's ever done. That's crazy. Distant though. Yeah, but still, he's got the O'Brien last name. I had seen a lot of clips of him being very emotional on the sidelines. So going into this interview, I was a little like, what's this guy? He's awesome. Yeah, here he is.

Coach, Bill O'Brien. Hey, coach, thanks for the time. Really appreciate it. Hey, Bobby, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Hey, I was watching some Donovan-Ezzaraku stuff this weekend. How important is it to you with future recruits that your guys go real high in this draft? Yeah, look, I think that that definitely helps.

I think it helps that we have four guys at the Combine. You know, watching, you know, these guys over the weekend, you know, Donovan, Cam Horsley, and then yesterday, Ozzie Tripillo and Drew Kendall, you know, those guys performed really well at the Combine. And so, you know, for those guys to be drafted, you know, high, first, second, third, fourth round, I think is a really good sign for this program that we can get those type of guys to come play here. So I think it would be great to see those guys drafted high. Whenever you took the job at BC, what did you think the ceiling was on year one? I don't think, I don't know if I looked at it that way. I really wanted, we got hired, I would say, a little bit late relative to most hiring.

We got hired about a year ago. It was around the second week of February. So what I wanted to do is try to establish the foundation of hard work and toughness and being a good teammate and going to class and all the things that are giving back to the community, all the things that are important at Boston College. And then along the way, obviously, want to win some games. We lost games where we committed a lot of mistakes. We've got to learn how not to lose before we can learn how to win.

But we won some games where we played six. 60 minutes and we competed well. And so I think we got off to a good start. A little bit when you took that job where you're like, our uniforms are so freaking legit. I love the old uniforms the best probably. So we're going with new balance here pretty soon in the summertime. So new balance has done a great job of helping us design to go back to those older, you know, the flutie uniforms, you know, the ones that they wore back in the day, which I think were pretty cool. Those are the ones we're trying to get back to. I just think of the Hill Mary. That's the uniform I think of when I think of BC is flutie in the Hill Mary. Like those uniforms are so

legit that I would be wanting to dress them like that all the time. Yeah, no doubt. I agree. I love the maroon and gold. I kind of like the gold pants with the maroon top every once in a while, which we're going to try to do a little bit more of that moving forward. But yeah, I'm with you. I love the uniform. I'm curious about language and installing playbooks with new players. I do a show with Matt Castle who played with the Patriots for a while. I was like one of my dear friends. We worked together every week,

and he was kind of walking through quarterback language with us last week. Year 1, like how much do you actually, of the playbook, do you actually install? Yeah, that's a great question. I would say we definitely did not install the whole thing. We try to, in spring practice, you know, look at our team. really it starts in winter conditioning. Look at our team. What type of team are we going to have?

You know, where are the strengths, right? The on offense, the strengths last year were on the offensive line and, you know, the running backs. And we felt like we could run the football. We started out with Tommy Castellanos. So, kind of a running quarterback, did a lot of good things relative to using his feet. So that's how we installed the offense. We look at our team instead of just like putting everything in where some of that might be a waste of time because we're not going to really use all that.

So that's kind of how we did it here. I think moving forward, we probably get most of it in this spring because we've got a couple different types of quarterbacks and things like that. But last year we probably just put it in relative to who we thought we were going to be. I've spent a bunch of time in Boston. I've toured through Boston a bunch of times and played the Wilbur. I love that.

I love Boston. I love Massachusetts because it's an honest, it's an honest state. It's a very honest city. What's tough for me, though, is how cold it is. Is this your coldest job? ever? Yeah, well, you know what? Today, you know, you're asking it on a good day because today's March 3rd, I think, and it's like nine degrees. So, yeah, it's definitely the coldest job. I mean, I was at Penn State for a couple of years. It got cold there in the middle of Pennsylvania,

but not quite like Boston. So yeah, it's definitely, especially this year, it's been, you know, record-setting cold temperatures here over the last couple weeks. I saw, see, the tickets are sold out, which has got to be big. Year two, season tickets already sold out. I think it's big, Bobby. I really do. I appreciate you mentioning that. I do think it's big because, you know,

look, it shows that people, you know, they're excited about what maybe they saw at points last year. And, you know, we have a great home schedule next year. We're playing three playoff teams, very difficult schedule, but a really good schedule for people to come, you know, watch good college football. So, you know, I'm excited about that. I really think that this is a job.

You know, I always say it's a pro sports town. Everybody understands that, but we play on Saturdays. And, you know, if we can put a good product on the field, hopefully a lot of people come watch us play. Do your players often ask for comps for other players that you've coached? Because you have coached a lot of different players in a lot of different places. And do you comp most players? You know, that's a great question.

I do use that at times. I never really try to say. I'm very careful about how I say it, though, right? Like, you know, I'll never say, hey, you're exactly like this guy. But I'll talk about some of the things that I learned from some of the great players I've coached, right? Obviously, quarterbacks, but also like wide receivers, offensive linemen. Hey, you know, here's some things that I learned from this left tackle that, you know, I think you can really help you. Instead of saying, hey, you're exactly like this guy.

I try to stay away from that. But I definitely use cops when it comes to, hey, man, I learned a lot from this guy. And there's things that you can apply to your game that I learned. from this tight end or this wide receiver or this offensive line and this running back. And I think I try to do it that way. Do you ever use any old players you're still close with for recruiting pitches? You know what? I don't do that as much.

I really don't. What I do here is really use the BC guys that played here, you know, the Matt Ryan's, the Luke Kikley's. Those guys do help us in recruiting and doing different things for us. I try not to, I'm very, you know, you just brought up Matt Castle. Like, you know, I'm a friend of Matt Castles. He's an awesome guy. I think when you step over the line of friendship, hey, man, can you help me with my job? I try not to do that.

You know what I mean? I try not to do that as much. So, you know, but, you know, I have a lot of great friends that were great players. So try to stay away from that friendship-wise. A lot of culture with BC football. And when you come in as coach, like, how quickly do you have to, like, envelop the culture? Because you mentioned Matt Ryan, you mentioned Keekely. Like, I'm, I don't know if you.

had a relationship with those guys prior, but they are a big part of BC and you want them to be a part of it moving forward. Like how quickly do you establish those relationships? That's important. That's a, that is very, very important. I think within the first month or two that I was here, I tried to make contact with over a hundred guys that played here. Just a phone call, a text. Hey man, really want you guys involved in the program, come back and speak to us. You know, last year at spring practice had a lot of former players come by. and, you know, Matt Ryan and, you know, just a ton of guys. Matthias Kiwanuka, we've made contact with, you know, Zay Flowers is a guy that's playing at a high level right now that stays in contact with the program, and there's several

others. So, and from different eras, too, right? Obviously, we mentioned Flutie and Gerard Fallon. They came into the locker room after a game that we won this past season. So, yeah, I think the alumni is a huge part of this program, and we try to do as good a job as we kind of reaching out to them and keeping them involved all the time. Do you feel like your history in the NFL pro football has helped you now in college because of the portal in NIL and you've had experience with that?

I do think it helps to a certain extent. I mean, people say that, you know, hey, this is a lot like the NFL now. I mean, it's it is when it comes to some things, but it's still not exactly like the NFL. I mean, I think that there are certain things that you have to, you know, understand about college, about Boston College that's different than the NFL, but there are things relative to, you know, how you value your team when it comes to, you know, name image and likeness when it comes to RevShare,

how you're going to compensate your team. Okay, here's how we value the team. The way we value the team at Boston College would be different than the way we value the team at the Houston Texans, for instance. But the concept of putting a value on a player is similar. And so I think that's an area where we try to use our NFL experience.

and apply it to the best of our ability. There's other things, though, that are a lot different. And, you know, my experience in both college and pro have helped me here. Who are your favorite three musical artists, coach? Oh, I would say, without a doubt, Luke Combs, love Luke Combs. I've got different music taste, so I'm going to tell you right now, Rick Ross. I love Rick Ross. The third one, you know, it's hard, it's hard for me to say.

But I, you know, I like groups like you too. So I love Bono. And there's many, many others. But I have a, if you looked at a playlist of mine, you'd see a lot of different. I love music. And our players always, but we play music at practice. And they're always like, let me see your playlist. And they just cannot believe what's on my playlist.

It's different. There's everything from country to rap to hard. to Metallica's up there. You know what I mean? Like, I love them all. You'd be the first person ever to go Combs to Rick Ross ever in the history. Like, we were at the airport a few weeks ago and we saw Rick Ross's plane come in. Like, he's got a massive jet with his name on the side of it.

Like, it is the greatest personalized license plate is his airplane with his name on the side of it. So you're the best. Yeah. Do you know him, coach? I actually met him. I met him because when I was in Houston, we had hard knocks. and the type of rappers that I really like are the guys with the deep. That's why I love Rick Ross.

He's got a really deep voice in the way that he does his music is awesome to me. So I would say during practice we would play some Rick Ross, and I would always say I love Rick Ross on Hard Knocks. So he came to a game that following year, and I was able to meet him. It was pretty cool. You talk about Hard Knocks, so none of the NFL teams wanted to do it this year. So they're going to go to Belichick at North Carolina. Carolina. But what was that process like for you guys? Did it get kind of annoying the cameras?

It's a tough. That's a tough deal. That's a tough deal. Now, the people that run hard knocks are awesome. They do a really good job of, you know, communicating with you and telling you what it's going to be. But it is at that time in Houston, it was 40 days and it was 24-7. So the cameras were on you. I mean, I had to, I would tell them like, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to use the restroom right now. You don't need to follow me. You know what I mean? Like it was like two cameras in your office, cameras in every meeting,

cameras in every team meeting, cameras on the field. It was, it was very, it was tough. It was tough. You know, a lot of people watch it. There's a lot of narratives that are formed from it. But, you know, ownership wanted it. And, you know, that's what we did. But it was definitely a difficult deal for me personally.

Narratives are a weird thing in television. I did a reality show, a competition show once, and they would just create storylines out of random things. They would pick, and all of a sudden there was a story that was kind of true, but not really. That's probably what they were doing as well, like cherry picking things and making stories out of them? Yeah, cherry picking certain things that maybe weren't as big of a deal as they made it to be. But again, you know, their job is to, you know, get as many viewers as possible. And they did.

I want to say there was about 4 million people that watched every episode, which I guess at that time was a big deal. We were one of the few teams that made the playoffs after, usually you go on hard knocks. You don't have a good season. But we were one of the few teams that actually made the playoffs that year after being on hard knocks. So we kind of overcame. I think the other thing it creates on the team, which I didn't like,

was it created like, okay, if you're doing a big story on this guy, well, I want something done on me and my family, you know, because we had a lot of great players on that team in Houston. You know, we had everybody from, we had Hall of Famers. We had JJ Watt. We had DeAndre Hopkins. We had Vince Wilfork on that team. We had, you know, a lot of Brian Cushing, some great players on that team.

And, you know, that's kind of what it causes. It's about creating your own brand in a team sport while the game is going on. That's not really conducive to building a team. What are you guys doing right now, football operation-wise? Like, what is the time of year to do? So we just got done with basically a seven-week winter conditioning period. And then the guys are on spring break right now. And then when they come back, we start spring practice on Tuesday, March 11th,

which is about, it lasts about a month. And it's about 15 practices. About three practices a week for about five weeks. And then from there, they head into summer training after final exams in May. They head into summer training after that. Some schools are not doing a spring game. Where are you guys on that? Yeah, I do, look, I do kind of agree with that.

I think here at BC, the reasons for not doing one will be that it's really not, you know, look, last year we had a spring game. It wasn't that well attended. You know, it's not as big of a deal as it is as, you know, like when I was at Alabama, the 90,000 people there. So that's, it's not really a moneymaker. And then for us, you know, we're all about in spring practice. practice, the actual practice. So what we're going to do is we're going to produce kind of a behind

the scenes, not a documentary, but something that shows our team in a good light relative to our spring practice. And that's how we'll, you know, market our program during the spring. But spring games, you know, I don't know how big they are anymore. Coach, I'm going to ask you in conclusion here about a few people specifically. And if you don't mind just giving me a little story about I want to start with Castle because I'll be with him tomorrow. We do an NFL show. Can you give me a Matt Castle story? What comes to mind?

Oh, my God. I got several of Matt Castle stories. First of all, Matt was a guy that was so well prepared. And so when his time came in 2008, he was ready to go. And that's an example that I use all the time. Hey, you never know when your time's going to come. And that was in the very first game of 2008. I was the wide receiver coach.

And Tom got hurt. And Matt had to step up. And he did. We went 11 and 5. I think we were one of the few. 11 and five teams to not make the playoffs. We had a good football team, and Matt did a great job. But one of the best stories about Matt real quick is we had these quarterback meetings with Bill,

like once a week. They were awesome. And I've told this story before, you know, Bill would come in there. And I learned a ton of these meetings. Bill did a great job of working with Josh and at that time and kind of coaching the quarterbacks up around, you know, quarterback play around the league in our practices. It was just you learned a ton. But in this one particular meeting, Bill came in and he didn't have any socks on.

So Castle is sitting there and, you know, it didn't smell great. And so, you know, Bill had taken his shoes off and he had his feet up and he's showing the film. And all of a sudden Castle, like, Castle's like, what is that smell? And so everybody's kind of like, oh, my God, like Matt. Matt, as you know, Matt does not really care about the awkwardness that he's creating. So he just said it again. He's like, what is that smell? And so then finally it was like, Matt said, Bill, is that your feet?

And Bill just looked over at him and said, Matt, just shut the F up. And we went right back to the film. That's funny. I have two others. You mentioned JJ Watt. Can you give me a J.J. Watt story? I mean, J.J. Watt, I have a bunch of stories. one of the ones I tell a lot about JJ Watt is we were playing Baltimore.

I think it was my first year there, and we had to win the game to have a shot to go to the playoffs. And so we drove down and scored. They get the ball back. Joe Flacco is their quarterback. They got a hell of a team. And they're driving basically to kick a winning field goal. I think we're up by two. And so, you know, they're throwing the ball and, you know, it's getting near the 50-yard line,

getting not close to field goal range, but getting to that point where he had to. So there was kind of a stoppage in play. And basically, Watt told me, hey, basically, if you use a timeout right here, I can catch my breath. I will win the game. It was almost like Babe Ruth calling his own shot. Like, I'll sack the quarterback. I'll win the game. So I did.

I used the timeout. Gave gave J.J. a little bit of a rest. And the very next play, he comes off the edge. Strip sacks Joe Flacco. You cover the fumble. We win the game. That's so legit. One final one.

We're able to see not only Coach Belichick, who I met at the Super Bowl last week, and he was like personable, not like what I would see on television. And the same thing with Sabin. Like press conference, Nick Sabin's different than like media Nick Sabin. What was it like? Give me a coach Sabin story because you went over there for a bit. What was he like to work under? Oh, Nick was great to work under.

I learned a ton from him because I had. been in college football for a long time. And he brought a great, you know, he brought insight into how an organization really runs. Like, it was like clockwork, you know. If the meeting was going to start at 7.30, it started at 7.30. And he had a, he had a great routine about, you know, football, recruiting, medical, academics, nutrition. You know, he had a really good outline of how the program would work and what we covered on a daily basis. And offensively, he would bring a lot of defensive knowledge to our offense to help us game plan. So, you know, he taught me a lot. And I, very demanding coach, very disciplined coach. You could tell right away why he won so much there,

the way we practiced, the way we did things on a daily basis. But yeah, he was great to work for. One final BC question. I was looking at you guys home versus away record and your home record. I think it was six and one, if I'm accurate here. Yeah. Yeah. What about playing there. What do you want to be difficult for other teams when they come in? Yeah, I think we have to continue to really get our crowd going. When we have a good crowd here, which we did, Michigan State, Syracuse, it's a smaller stadium, but it can get loud. And I think that's the key. Like if we can give people a good product to cheer for, we have great student body here. They come to every game. We have 9,000 students and they all come to the

game. And that's a big part of our stadium. experience, but I think we've got to do as good a job as we can of continuing to sell the stadium out so that we can create a really good home field advantage with our crowd, because I think that's that really helps us a lot. Well, our show's on the Bull in Boston, and I love the BC colors. I love the jerseys, uniforms. And now that we're buddies, I'm in, coach. I'm fully in.

Come on up, Bobby. We'd love to have you at a game anytime. I appreciate it, coach. The whole deal. Thank you, coach. And have a great week. Good luck with Spring Ball. And, yeah, hopefully I get to come up this year.

See you, coach. That'd be awesome. Thank you, Bobby. Appreciate it. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio app.

Open the app. Daily and listen now. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in

sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be

heard but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us. all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change.

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A couple of things. The Rules Committee for NCAA has come up with a fresh idea. They hope will combat the trend of faking injuries. The proposed rule would see a team charged an injury timeout if a player goes down with an injury after the ball is spotted for the next play and medical personnel enter the field. If a team's out of timeouts, there'd be a five-yard penalty for delay a game. All proposed rules from the committee must be approved on April 16th of this year. They got to do something. I don't know if this is it. This sounds pretty fair. I like if somebody goes down there out the whole series. like if somebody has to come on they got to be out the whole series there's probably a reason a common sense reason

they don't go with my reason there's probably something dumb I'm not thinking about but I felt like and you know what the people that complain about it are the people whose teams don't do it

because they're not good enough to really like it's a strategic thing if I were a coach I think I'd have them faking it better because sometimes they're just like and they drop they got a smile on their face or you seem like

oh I'm supposed to drop Yes, yes. We would eliminate that immediately. And it's a team effort because then the trainers come out and they're faking. And they're giggling. They're texting. They're standing over someone's ankle playing Candy Crush. It's definitely a team effort, a bunch of fakers.

That's what we would do. We would make sure to do it right. So it has to be fixed, though. But the teams like Ole Miss, the teams that do this a lot, like I'm jealous of that because they strategically use it to position themselves better in games to win games. We just don't want enough games. Yeah. But if you were to say your rule of where you just, you're out of the whole drive, right?

Is that your rule? Yes. Then you just throw, it's like hockey. Throw in the enforcer. Like throw in, hey, Tommy, you've never played this whole year. Like, get in there. I need you to fall. It's okay.

You're going to miss the entire game anyway. No big deal. Oh, but if you do that, they can't come in without a play run and fall. You can't check into the game and get injured before a play runs. Right. You have to play that one play. But you find that vulnerability. If I'm a quarterback and I see Tommy who's never played,

if I see number 63 playing corner, Wait a second. You don't think we're picking on Tommy? Yeah, you got a good point. March Madness coming up. You excited about it or no? I need it. I need March Madness.

Gosh, I cannot wait. And it's really cool because it all surrounds my birthday. Like, it's March 21st. It usually starts around that time. And so my birthday, instead of like happy birthday on the wall, my wife puts happy March Madness on the wall. It's a whole family thing. But more importantly, dude, I'm starting to bet on NASCAR and golf.

Like, I need. I need something else. You need it. Like this weekend, I was. betting on golf. I had no idea who was playing. I saw Jordan Spieth in there. He wasn't doing too well. Ricky Fowler, he wasn't doing great. The rest of the guys had no idea who it was. I was watching the Arkansas South Carolina game, which is horribly embarrassing because we got beat by a team that had one conference win and we're trying to get in the tournament. And so we

drop and it's like 15 to 3. Then the game starts. And I'm like, well, we're not going to lose by this much. I had like $900 on my account. I put it all on like Arkansas plus 8. We got I lost $900 because I was like there's no way this is going to happen all game. They're so bad. South Carolina. No, they crushed us. They took the lead earlier, right? You guys never caught up.

We barely had 10 points in the half. I think we had 14 points in half. That's right. It was the worst half of Arkansas Razorback basketball in like the 20th century. Maybe 17. You might have 17 points. 15 maybe? Whatever it is, it was the worst.

I did see that. I'm like, oh my gosh. They cost me $400. They were the only leg I didn't hit on a nine leg parlay. Well, together, $1,300 loss. We should send Calipari. I did lose. one dollar though technically one unit oh that's true so again fair enough you lost one yes i lost

900 uh kevin's not here he got married he's gone he kiv he's on honeymoon i guess he's on some tropical island he's on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday uh we didn't go to the wedding i mean i didn't go to the wedding i didn't no i think it was a very private wedding but i heard that he had a like a celebration afterwards and somebody told me like are you coming i'm like Wait, somebody, a coworker? Yeah, co-worker. And I was like, I have not heard of this. Oh, it's awkward.

And I feel like Reed probably went. Did you go, Reed? You didn't go, dude? Did you go? I didn't go. Did you get invited? No. No.

Yeah. I think there was a coworker here. Yeah. That went? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, he said it's just kind of a small get-together. Well, that sounds like something we would go to. I'm starting to think we're not as good of friends with Kevin as we think.

I know. And I'm not. one or get my feelings hurt, whatever, but like, when that coworker told me, I'm like, my feelings are hurt. I wouldn't have gone. I would like to have been invited. Yeah, one of those. But I probably wouldn't have gone.

That's your thing. Yeah, that's my thing. But, like, I try to include Kevin and, like, all the friend stuff, like, pick, well, maybe we're just not close friends. Who's the coworker? McKitty. What? Wait, McKitty went?

That's not, he's not even part of, like, the core group. Not even part of the circle. I was thinking, I was thinking Pitts. No. Even that. Yeah, him and Pitt are close. I took him to the Super Bowl. Yeah, I know.

That's fair. You didn't hear anything about it? No, I heard nothing about it. Wow. I know the wedding was in Franklin. I live in Franklin. Yeah, you could have gone over. It was the next door to read.

You could see the wedding. I could see it. From his back. No, it was small. I get it. I'm going on. No, the wedding, I completely understood. It's like when I got married.

I got married in Hawaii. And my parents, her parents, her sisters, my brother and sister went. And that was it. And then... Yeah, I had a small wedding too. When we got back, then we're like, hey, we're having a party for everyone. Now let's come celebrate our marriage.

And so I understand the wedding. You want to keep a private, no big deal. But having a party afterwards and we didn't get invited? Yeah, that's a tough one. Got a little hurt. I can feel that. Yeah. You got invited to his baptism, though.

I didn't. Oh, well, some of us did. Like, I could easily sold his ticket and made $4,000. I got to shipped him back. I didn't have to take you. guys to the Super Bowl. Oh, that I realized that. That wasn't even like this show. It was like, take your friends, we'll give you four tickets. It's my contract got negotiated. And that was awesome. I don't know. Taking Casey now. Yeah, man. And Casey was the last one in. He doesn't have been here long

enough. I would have played Kineck for it. Whatever, man. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So we'll give him a hard time when he gets back. If he gets back. I may not, because I may be too hurt to actually give him right now. Because if you ever hear me giving someone a hard time, like on the air, we're talking about something. It's because it really, I've either gotten over the fact that it affects me or it never really affected me and we can just poke at it. It's why we make fun of each other so much on the Vibeone show or even this show because it doesn't matter. Like if we're talking about it

and we're making fun of each other, it's fine. The only time it's on lunchbox goes rage box. Other than that that's never fun. That's never fun. That's never fun. Other than that, I get made fun of all the time, man. Right. It's part of it. You're not a victim. It's great. I love it. How about that? Well, good luck, Kevin, with your marriage.

Hey, Mike. Yeah. I didn't start with this, But so an update on the pickleball, Bobby versus the troll matchup. I need a lawyer. Oh, yes. A lawyer up. No.

I need, so I don't want to get scammed for the money. Okay. There are too many scams out there. I need a lawyer to create a... Escro? Yes, thank you. Dang, like when you buy a house. And then we both put money in the account.

But the thing is, if he were like, my lawyer, will do it. I'll be like, I don't trust you. I don't know you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A neutral lawyer. But I'm a public figure. I feel like it'd be safer to do it with like a lawyer for me because he could just get on social media and be like, this dude stole thousand bucks for me. Can we just get Morgan and Morgan? I don't want to pay anybody else. For the people, man.

Well, someone work pro bono and create an escrow so I can go play pickleball against this guy in Ohio, this troll, four-year D-1 athlete, but I'm willing to take that chance. I'm willing to take down a troll. There you are. but I need someone to hold the money or I can't do it because I'm still in. I want to do it. I just don't want to get scammed out of $1,000. You couldn't just write up a contract either

and have him sign it and have someone witness the signing that he's going to pay? Are you a notary public? I mean, is that what you're saying? No, I just mean like instead of like him putting money into an account, you putting money into an account. I don't trust it. What's going to do?

I'm going to sue him. Yeah, that's true, yeah. But like, we have a lot here. Like, we can't steal $1,000. Like, that would be bad. Maybe. That's why I was saying, yes, it would be easier to go, I've created an escrow, here's my thousand bucks, put yours in. I'm a public figure that is in a constant state of existing. I can't just go away or it's going to cost me way more than a thousand bucks if I were to run to Mexico with this thousand bucks. You want me to do it? No. You don't want me to hold the money? No.

Question though. Like if I did, I'm not going to hold the money. But if I did hold the money and you guys gave me, you gave me a thousand, dude gave me a thousand. And I had $2,000 in my. in a random account. Is that suspicious to the government? No. Okay. 2000? No. Yeah.

Two million? Possibly. Okay. I think it's different. It's like going into a casino and if you've kind of been, you know, blackballed or in your bet in 25 bucks, they're probably not going to say much. But you start putting 25,000 bucks a hand down, something like that. Yeah. It's suspicious.

Or sports betting. You know, if all of a sudden you never, college baseball is not bet on and you go put 10,000. grand on the under of Mississippi State their 3 p.m. Thursday game. Like something's up with that. Yeah, something's up. Speaking of college sports, they kid that plays for Austin Pee. Do you see it, watch him play?

Crazy, dude. I'd never seen him before. He's got one arm. Yeah, Hansel Emmanuel. I've watched his TikTok stuff since he was in high school. Oh, crazy. Dude, he's so good. And he gets rebounds. Casey, have you seen him? No, I'm not looking at him right now. He gets up, dude. He wins rebound battles. He lost his left arm

when he was younger, like a walk. collapsed on him. Yeah, he's really good. He dribbles it well and he shoots with one arm. He dribble one-handed. Yeah, that's pretty crazy to be. I had no idea. I was like, hold on. Rewind that.

That guy had one arm. In high school, he averaged at Christian Academy in Kissimmee, Florida. He averaged 25.9 points, 11 rebounds, 6.9 assists and 3.4 blocks per game. Amazing. One arm.

Dude, if I lost an arm, I would just be like, I'm done. Yeah, he's awesome. I followed him on TikTok or I would see a story in high school. All right. I think we're... Look at them blocking shots. No blocking, dude.

Can you automatically assume he's going to go to the right every time? Can you what? He just took a three. No, because he'll cross you up and go to the left with his right arm. I like how you're thinking. He's nice. Keep it over here, I guess. Stayed it was right.

Travis Kelsey, I think he's playing, right? He says coming back. He says he's coming back. He's not done yet. All right, good. So, I mean, I didn't care out of the way. Nah. I had a feeling he'd be back.

I'm not annoyed by him. I like Travis Kelsey. Me too. Yeah, I'm not a hater. And then Justin Tucker's wife has his back amid allegations. Last week, Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker broke his month-long silence amid allegations of sexual misconduct from 16 different massage therapists. Amanda Tucker says these are false allegations against her husband have caused so much hurt to our family.

She asserts she believes in Justin loves him and supports him fully from ESPN. Do you think she believes him or she believes, if he's like, I didn't do any of this. All 16 of them are lying. I think she wants to believe him. Or do you think she's just joining the team? I think it's blindly just supporting. Yeah, we have no idea what's going on. Like just a part of marriage, support your husband.

Even though you know the truth. I mean 16. And it's Justin Tucker. It's not like it's someone who's very, very, very famous and is a target like that. Pretty random. It's Justin Tucker. All right, that's it. By the way, I have no opinion on if he did it or not.

16 is a high number, though, and they're all different people. Correct. Not good odds. Yeah. Thank you guys. If you want to watch any of the show? At Bobby Bones Sports on YouTube. He almost says it like that.

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