The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Bobby vs Eddie in Poison Ivy Gate + Celebrities Who Have Lost the Most Money + The Real Name Game

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Bobby and Eddie played round 3 of their 4-round golf tournament over the weekend, but Eddie thinks there was some questionable ball movement on Bobby's part due to poison ivy. Plus, Bobby runs through a list of the top 10 celebrities who have lost the most money after becoming super rich and famous. And Eddie plays (questionable) host to a game that he brought to the table called ‘The Real Name Game’, in which Bobby and Kickoff Kevin faceoff.    Follow the Show: @BobbyBonesSports   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @BrandonRayMusicSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know I can't whistle? Like I just, that's one. Dude, I'm a musician. I can play instruments and everything. I can't whistle. Do you consider yourself a real musician? Not really, no. But I know a little bit about every instrument.

Like, I can probably do a little clarinet if I sat with it. I don't think you do clarinet. You'll think so? Nah, I think blowing into a horn. That's a whole different skill. Oh, like trombone, that's really hard. I think you are a musician. And I think if you live somewhere other than where you live now,

you'd fully say you were a musician. I think because you're around the great. It's hard to say that because they say that. That's a good point. I got a few things I want to talk about. we can kind of decide where we want to go first. We can talk about Michael Parsons. What do you want to talk about?

Well, what would you like to say? I mean, I would like to say, like, just, guys, relax. Like, it's going to happen. Like, no one, he's not going to get traded. He's not going anywhere. This is, like, how many times do we have to do this in the off season? Jerry, stop doing this crap, but, but, like, really, the fans need to relax. We're going to keep Micah.

Like, we've been through this so many times where these negotiations, get dirty, people talk stuff, people delete their Instagram accounts, whatever. Like, we've been doing this for a long, long time. Michael Stain, he's going to be a cowboy. They're going to figure it out and we're going to be all right. He did say I know long and I want to be a cowboy. That's just a tactic. It's just, it's like Jerry said.

Like, this is it just negotiation tactics, guys, relax. I'm going to read you some of what Michael Parsons wrote. Oh, boy. Yes, I wanted to be here. I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a cowboy and wear the star on my helmet. I wanted to play in front of the best. best fans in sports and make this America's team once again. The team my mom and pops grew up cheering for. Unfortunately, I no longer want to be here. I no longer want to be held to close door

negotiations without any agent present. I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization and our fans and my teammates. I no longer want narratives created and spread of the media about me. I had purposely stayed quiet in hopes of getting something done, but there is confusion out there. Let me set things straight. and then he goes through it. But he says he doesn't want to be a cowboy. I will say, you know, this is a very unique way of negotiating. And they keep doing this.

Like I said, they keep doing this every year. And there's no way a player feels good about, even when it's signed, even when they get all the money. Like, the whole stress of the negotiation ruins their thoughts about really being a cowboy and like being part of that family, quote unquote, you know? So like, yes, is this a tactic? Sure. On both sides. Are they getting a little mouthy and dirty? Sure.

Are they going to, I bet you he still remains a cowboy, but I don't think this is good for the team. I bet you remains a cowboy. I don't think it matters within the team. It's business. It's not a family. It's business. And I've been through some really difficult,

like feeling hurt type negotiations. And as soon as you sign it, it's over. As soon as you sign it. Yeah, it's over. It's the process. If you've done it once, you're like, you really hate the people you're negotiating against and you are trying to,

not to take things personally, but you're going, my value is this, and they're not giving it to me. But as soon as the deal is worked out, 98% of that's gone. Can we do this a little earlier? Well, that's a Jerry Jones thing because he's done this many times over. I know, but, like, you're missing, like, practice is not going well. You know, you're not, like, you want him engaged right now.

This is where your time is preparing for the season. Not time to negotiate. It's like CD didn't play any of last year's preseason. It took him five, six weeks to get warmed up. Yeah, we had a heck of a year, didn't he? Eventually, he did. No, I remember the first three weeks. It was just like, it was bad.

Well, he was the only receiver, but I mean, it was bad. I think that's only offensive weapon, really. More of that. Yeah. So I also don't think Micah Parsons gets traded, but that's a really going hard statement if you didn't really consider getting traded. There's parents in there. He said, I no longer don't want to be a cowboy. Yeah.

Like, you can do a Terry McLaren trade request, which is a bit different. Terry McLaren has requested to be traded. You know what? That feels a little nicer, and that feels like you're saying what you feel like you need to say to get the message across and move it a little faster. He freaking said, I don't want to be a cowboy anymore. So you say, as part of, like, Micah Parsons and whoever's in the, in the negotiations, the player that's involved in the negotiations, what about the rest of the team when he says stuff like that?

Nobody cares. It's all business. Okay. But are they mature enough to really nobody cares? Yes, because everybody is just looking out for themselves. They're not mature enough. They understand because they have a very limited window to get as much money as they can get because once the window is over, they don't get money anymore.

So everybody understands. Generally speaking, everybody understands, especially in sports, because again, that window is so small. If you don't get everything you can get in that small window that you can get it, you are going to be missing out. And that's all, it's all business. Every bit of it's a business. I understand. So I don't think anybody's in like,

man, I thought we were a team. When I came to the Cowboys, I thought we just was all going to have ice cream and hangouts on Sundays after the game. Not a single person does that. I felt like, you know, maybe some of the defense is like when it's all said and down, like, oh, I thought you didn't want to be a cowboy dog.

Like, I thought you didn't want to be a dog. We're like, we're happy you got your money. Because that's all anybody's trying to do is get their money. Especially if you play his position, then you're like, more money for me. Like that, like a running back, you got to get your money because they ain't paying running backs. and they have a very small window.

I am worried about it. I don't know that I'd be worried. I would be slightly concerned because even that that's out there, even that you wrote that so harshly, I'd be a little concerned about it. You know, I will say when some of these parody accounts, you know, I just scroll and I see like,

Mike had gone. I'm like, oh, my heart stops for a second. Mike, what do you think? I think it just makes me sad about, like, how toxic everything is of, like, it just feels like we'll never be a real team We're never going to have any success, but everybody just hates each other, and they hate Jerry Jones. This is happening on every team.

I mean, Trey Henderson is happening in Cincinnati right now? So it's not just, is it just specific because we see all the Cowboys stuff, it feels like it's just them that's so toxic? It's not even that you just see the Cowboy stuff because your algorithm feeds you Cowboy stuff. Because that is true, yeah. But the Cowboy stuff is amplified to everybody more so than any other team. You think Jerry thrives off of this, too, as far as the attention and the media and all this. I don't think he does it for the attention, but I don't think the attention. but I don't think the attention is a negative.

But then you also see them like not paying the cheerleaders and that's always a big story. You see them like they don't want to pay anybody. But those cheerleaders are very famous. No cheerleaders are getting paid. Like it's, again, not to sound like a jerk, but what are the cheerleaders? What are they needed for?

They're not needed. That's a glory position. That's a job that everybody wants. It doesn't matter the job. If there is a job that everybody wants, it doesn't pay that well because everybody wants it. If they had to get the best of the best And we demand, then yeah, in that position

Actually produced revenue. Then yes. But being a Dallas Cowboy cheer, there's more of an honor than it is actually doing something For the greater good of the community. And I'm sure they got paid for the show When they do the shows and stuff. And do I think they should get paid more?

Sure, but you're paid based on how expensive it is to replace you. That's generally what it is. That's why you get paid the amount you get paid, whatever you get paid. You're paid basically what your employer thinks it would cost to replace you. That's it. And that's why. Again, what are Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders or any cheerleaders?

What's really their use in the NFL? I'll say the other thing, though, I watched that second season of it, and they wouldn't even let them utilize their social media. They told them like they couldn't do brand deals. It wasn't until like that last season aired, they're like, okay, you guys can do brand deals now. And that's just from the pressure of, well, and look, I don't, I'm not on pro pay them less, pro pay them more. I don't know enough about it, but I'm just talking generally.

Is it about cheer leaders? Sure, I can, but I'm just talking generally. If there's a brand that you're a part of, like our company could say, and they do to a lot of people, hey, you can't do brand deals on your social media, than nothing to do with us. They literally can tell us that. In my contract specifically, I have they can't do that.

And that was hard for me to get. You guys don't have that. Now, they haven't stepped in and, cut anybody out, but it had to fight in a negotiation whenever I hated the company. I was pissed at it. It's much like Micah. So the company could step in and go like, hey, you're doing brand deals that are actually not good for our image.

So we're not going to let you do that. And that is such an image. That's such a glory position to be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader that that's probably why they didn't want them out doing tummy tea or Johnson and Johnson Dildos. Like I don't know what they're doing, but it's mostly... I don't think that was one of them. Who knows? That's in the WMBA games now.

You make the money that your employer thinks it would cost to replace you. That's it. And so they think, okay, we're not paying them much. One goes down. Grab another one. Everybody wants to be this. Like, why would you pay them more? It's not every job.

That's every job. It's so crazy how transparent they are with money in sports. You know, like negotiation. Like, there's nowhere else. Like, we don't have a CEO of, you know, just a random company negotiating for a person. contract and we're all watching it like that would be awesome. Public and credit companies a lot of times that's put out

and government jobs like head coaches that's out there. Sports yeah and entertainment it's out there a lot. Like I love to see Jeff Bezos like negotiate his next. Well he doesn't have to he owns it. Oh. But you see like the American Idol guys. Their contracts come out. They're like

Luke Bryan's making. Crazy dude. So there are a lot of professions. I think high profile positions most of them that money at most, that money is out there where they're making. but Michael Parsons, I think he'll be a cowboy. Yeah. But the fact that he wrote, I don't want to be a cowboy anymore,

I think he's open to leaving. And it's not just a tactic. I think it's a tactic. But I don't think it's just a tactic. Yeah. I don't think he's just going to take way less, but he's going to get the most he can from his way less. I think if it doesn't match what he wants, he's out.

And that would be concerning to me as a Cowboys fan. You think they pay him what he wants? I mean, with the salary cap, you can always kick the money a few years back. Look at his history of paying Zeke and Dak. They eventually got there. And there was all, I remember Dak is like, is he going to play first game?

And like the day before they got it done, like two years ago. So, yeah, he'll probably get it. I thought a pretty good trade offer. He'll probably get it. From, uh, is that Atlanta maybe? There's no trade offer. That's people making up trade offers.

That's pretty awesome. There's your parody accounts. Yes, those aren't real trade offers. Do you see the Des Bryant thing? I saw him getting pissed on Twitter. Because of what Jerry said? He said, he mentioned Des. Yeah.

And Jay Z. Tell the story. So Jerry's talking about just negotiating and he said back in the day, you know, I had to negotiate with Jay Z for Des Bryant. And I made a deal with Jay Z that like he cannot be late. Like, okay, if he can promise, not to be late at practice or games or anything, it's on you, Jay-Z. And he said, and Jay-Z didn't answer my calls a few times.

Just ignored me. And like so, I thought that was a cool story. Out of nowhere, though. He's like bringing in people for the sake of a good story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so good luck to Micah. I do want to talk about this clip. This is from the Portland Pickles, the minor league team.

Who's baseball? It's a minor league team in Portland where they'll grab a fan from in the stands and they get to come. It's very Savannah- Banana-feeling, but everybody has to do that now, right? Find what people do awesome and take from them to make your product more awesome. But they take a random fan

from the stands and they get to having a bat. So the fan comes down in the first abat and walks. Wow. Just didn't swing? That's what I would do. I don't know. The first abat wasn't on TikTok,

but I went to look and see if it was real. Okay. So from what I read, the first abat he walked. comes back up second abat this is in the game it's minor league so it doesn't really matter so so you get picked at the beginning of the game and you can play the entire game you don't play the entire game but you get one a bat and a walk's not a walk's not considered a bat got it got it and so second of bat he goes up and this pitcher is throwing hard like he's really i mean he's throwing sliders

he's doing fastballs this is our lucky fan that gets to take it out bat tonight dixie we appreciate the heck out of you so dixie for jamie mcgraw question mark pay off pitch high five ball left side I'm standing here watching the replay because I still can't

effing believe that happened you hit a homer is a two two pitch and he jacked it wow had to have played baseball somewhere but doesn't look like

like an athlete doesn't not look like an athlete but you don't see him and go like this is a ringer would you agree Mike yeah just like a regular dude but for sure you can tell by a swing he's played ball somewhere before

and it's two two and I saw the pitches leading up to it and the pitcher was stolen hard I think he hit a slider out. It's amazing. Jacked it. It was awesome. So if you haven't seen that Portland Pickles clip, give it a run there.

That's cool. I did watch both nights at SummerSlam. That was really good. I thought, I know Mike, you watch it too. Kevin, did you watch it? I did not. Eddie? No, man.

Okay. You guys are acting like wrestling is as big as bigger than NBA and baseball right now. It's the first time they've done two nights too for SummerSlam. And in a football stadium. Can I gamble in wrestling? They did it meant like, no. then I ain't watching. I thought night one

was better than night two. Night one was my favorite. And they usually build it where night two is obviously bigger and better, but I thought, I love that CM Punk won the title. And then,

oh, are you? Yeah, and then Seth came out. That was super cool. And then Night 2, John Cena and Cody Rhodes. And as an adult, Mike, you can answer this too. Do you feel weird watching the matches

that one of them are going to get hurt every time? Yeah, I didn't feel that way as a kid, but now even when Jellero was out there, I'm like, man, he's going to get hurt. He's got to cancel the tour. Because you guys are older now and understand. And know what it's like to get hurt. And also, like, they're not superheroes.

Like, they're real people. I looked at their ages last night. I was doing the same thing. Because I'm like, these guys are going to hurt themselves. Like, I'm worried. I'm like, oh, God, they're going to hurt themselves. John Cena, 48. Oh, 100.

Dude, yeah, you can't bounce back from an injury as quick as you used to. The young Cody Rhodes, 40. Is Cody the blonde one? Uh-huh. With a neck tattoo. He's 40. Yeah, that's wild. And he's like the future of the company at 40.

I can still wrestle then. It sounds like. And for me, it's not so much the slams, but whenever they get, like, thrown out a ring or like, jump from, I'm like, man, they're going to, like, tear something. Me too. You can't, like, fake that. Yep. I mean, that jelly roll, dude, that jump.

I mean, that was far away. Yeah, but again, I'm sure that hurt, but they know how to land. And he's doing the frog and his knees are able to take some of that. Like Logan Paul, his knees and his arms are able to take some of that splash off of jelly. so it's not just like, but yeah, like the neck stuff and the jumps.

The pile of drivers? Yes, I'm always like somebody's about to get hurt. And then watching Unreal and seeing like when people do get hurt. But Seth Rawlins faked a leg injury for months.

He got hurt. And then when hosted Rich Eisen's show, Rich thought he was hurt. He was still on crutches. He was doing social media because with his kid on crutches, like kept it the whole time. And he came out money in the bank

and everybody like, oh, he's still hurt. And he drops the crutches and goes down and beats him. like kept it so real in his personal life too it's amazing yeah all that's good it was two nights in a football stadium is that pay-per-view no peacock there's really no pay-per-view anymore

no they've been on peacock Netflix it didn't Netflix is on on Netflix so UFC's and boxing are the only paper views now and it's not about wrestling not making money it's they're making big big big money by signing these deals with peacock with Netflix

Yeah, I remember as a kid, I could never watch them because I pay-per-view. I'm not paying, my parents are going to pay 80 bucks for that. Yeah. Yeah, it was super cool. I don't like it when they do in a football stadiums, though. I feel like some of it's lost in sound, the audio. Like, meaning when it's enclosed, the pops are louder because there's a roof. It does take you out of it a little bit when you just see people like walking around in the background.

You see them like go into the restroom and you're like, oh, man, they're not even paying attention. Where were these? MetLife. Oh, New York? Giants jets, yeah. I also don't know how good of a live experience that it is. because I went to SummerSlam here when it was in Nashville, and it's such a big stadium.

It's hard to feel like the energy of it. And even like watching it, you're like, is he flipping them? Like who is that? It's so far away. And they do have screens up, but even the screens don't feel like Dallas Cowboy. Or they have like the stage lights. Some people are like completely blinded because they just have a big bright light in their face

because they're lighting it for TV. It reminds me that MLB did their Speedway Classic in Bristol, the Reds. It was too big. It was too big for a baseball game. and it was a disaster anyway the infrastructure to like serve food bathrooms was terrible

they called it Firefest baseball The bunnless hot dogs The bunless hot dogs N nachos with no cheese Yeah it was a disaster And also It was cool To see looking at it

If you weren't there Because it was massive It was cool to see the drone shot You know Where you kind of see Half of the Speedway being used They could have fit

Two Major League ballparks Amazing In that stadium You know what looks fun And I've never been to this But when they play hockey outside. That looks cool because that seems like the way. It's like when Nebraska played volleyball on the football stadium. Oh, right. Yeah. I think the environment would be fun because it's such a

one-off or once a year type thing. Or if it's snowing outside. Yeah, that's cool. All right, break. We'll come back. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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Just go over to Bobby Bone Sports. And it was me, Eddie, our friend Gator and Kane Brown. and so we were kind of rushed because Gator was late. He was like, I'm going to be late, so I had to move our time back a few minutes. Kane went to the wrong club. Oh, that's terrible. Like 20 minutes away, same town,

but went to the wrong club. And so we're waiting on him. And so they're like, you guys got to go. So we're like rushing up to the tea. So we started, and in golf, you never want to have to be hastily started. Yep. But I parted the first hole,

and I was like, okay, that felt terrible, but I got a part of there. What's crazier, though, is they didn't tell, man, and it's such a mental game. Golf is so mental, and they changed up the order. We started in 10. Oh, on whole 10, yeah. We started on whole 10 where, like, mentally, me is like, I was so preparing on the driving range to start on one and how I was going to attack one, that it just threw me off. So we start playing, it's hot as crap, we're sweating.

That's par for the course, pun intended here. Because it's hot every afternoon. It's miserable. For a month straight here. Yes. Like hot and wet. And so we're playing, and our hands are sweaty and our knees a week. and my hands are

spaghetti. I'm in love. I'm all shook up. And we start playing and we're bouncing back and forth. He's up. I'm up. Going to 18, I think I was up four. I tripled 18. Had a terrible hole, terrible hole. I ended up winning by one stroke.

So after three rounds, I'm up four strokes as we go into the final round. That's going to be tough, man. The whole thing was tough. I mean, you haven't made me one single round. I know. So now, assuming that for me to win this thing, I have to beat you by five.

Five strokes, it just seems impossible. Now, let me ask you this, Bobby, because you just said you triple bogey the last one, and the score was close, I assume. So, like, is Ed, can you see in Eddie's face, is he like, oh, this is my shot? But then it kind of gets to him a little bit? Well, because we have a triple max.

That's the worst you can get. He knew he couldn't actually catch up, but I think he was really counting on trimming those strokes back. So I was up two or three, the last three or four holes. So I think going at 18, he had given up winning for the day. He just wanted to trim as many strokes off as possible.

We also had the first time ever we had a, and you can tell us what you would do. Oh, here we go. We had a little controversy. We had something called the poison ivy rule. Okay. There was a ball. Hey, well, hold on. Kevin, have you ever heard of the poison ivy rule?

I have not. I've heard of poison ivy, but not the poison ivy rule. There was a ball in poison ivy. Like in a bush or in the... Oh, yeah. was in tall rough, tall rough. It actually wasn't. It was on top of it. It would have been impossible to get that ball out. I didn't want to tell you whose ball it was.

It wasn't impossible because it was on top of it. Literally on top of it. And I was going to hit it out of it. And Brandon's like, let me look at the pictures. And he's like, that's poison ivy all around it. So I said, okay, I'll just drop backward from the poison ivy. And it's like, it's fine, whatever. So I moved, I went backward. Sticks it on the green.

Like, you would have had to step in it or just hit the ball out of it. Oh. It was all. It was in. Hey, I had to step in it. It's golf, though, dude. It's golf. played as it lies. Is that what we were saying, Eddie? That's pretty much what I'm saying. I mean, the rule was was if it's, you're going to

damage your club, you're on a rock or whatever. But you can damage your body by being in Poisoned Ivy. The club is what we said, not the body. You're also, Eddie's like, wants gimmies now too. So he started to, he's like, gimme, gimme. Like on putts? Yeah. Oh, I thought that wasn't a thing. Well, it's a thing, but he's been a little more wanting generosity on his.

Okay. And Hedy, this is how I go any rule. Would I give it to him if he's in poison? Of course. Like, it's going to ruin his life for like six days and he's going to have to put calamine lotion on. Like move it backward. You don't get a better lie and also the ball wasn't in the rough. It was laying on top of a bunch of like grass.

It was like Oakmont, man. Like grass as high as your knees. But no, he moved it. You moved it out of the ivy. I moved it backward from the poison ivy. Nice little plush Bermuda. It actually was closer to the water.

Not in the fairway. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Okay. If there was no if this wasn't a bet and a whole thing going on, you guys are just playing for fun? Would you have been like, yeah, you can move it? Of course, 100%. Okay. I would say almost everything that we argue about

that's considered a controversy. I don't argue about anything. What he argues about. I argue about nothing. Yeah, yeah, because I don't cheat. No, but that's not cheating. That's me going, hey, I was actually going to hit the ball and Brandon's like, whoa, that is poison.

Brandon, the photographer, shut your mouth. No, he looked at it with his phone and identified it By using an app. Yeah. And he goes, that's a other thing. I was walking up to hit it off of it. And Brandon's like,

that's poison iv. I'm like, I'm like, oh, they're hitting out of poison ivy. That's stupid. I wasn't like begging to move my ball from initial. I was going to hit it. I was hitting it in poison ivy.

I mean, if you would have hit it where it was, he would have had to just punch out to get it back on the fairway. That's not true. Oh, yeah. Dude, there was no way you're going to get that out. There was weeds everywhere.

Yeah, but in front of it, there were weeds. And so the fact that he. pushed it out or he dropped it on some nice little Bermuda grass. He sticks it on the green. Brandon didn't have him take like a video or a picture or anything right? He might have. I know Brandon did.

And then it's like Brandon like just be quiet. I was going to hit the ball from the poison ivy. I already started to walk up to it. And he's like that's poison ivy? Because I said is that poison ivy? And Ed's like no. I said I've never seen poison ivy, I don't know. And I was like okay, I hit it out of it. And right as I'm walking out Brandon's like, whoa, whoa, it's poison ivy. And then I said,

do you care? Can I take a backward drop? I'll go backward from it. And it's like, yeah, sure, whatever. So the time you didn't care. And then you thought about it a little bit more or no. No, I wasn't happy about it, but it's like, whatever. Whatever you want. And you're in shorts, obviously, so it's not like, yeah.

I mean, if you're actually in it, it's not worth it, dude. That's not worth it at all, man. For $500 or I have to go to his house and cook in a Superman costume, I think it's worth it. But it wasn't for $500. It was one hole. Who knows what that could have done for the whole round?

If that was like the final hole, you guys were tied. yeah even then that's tough man Mike what do you think as Poison Ivy's no joke it's not worth it yeah like Mike but that he gets mad he finds something to be irritated about when he loses every round well I was gonna say I mean that sucks Eddie but it sounds like there's been plenty of opportunities

plenty of I play terrible there have been plenty of opportunities I just I'm missing putts left and right there was one put that was like two feet or whatever and I you know to piggyback to you being like oh give me I said, hey, is this good? He says, it's up to you. Oh, what am I supposed to do with up to you? I take it. If someone says up to you, I take it every time. Okay, cool. Pick it up to you. It's up to you, no, do you know what I was? I was like 70 feet behind him. I wasn't even up on the green. Oh, you didn't even really, so you couldn't even see like where it was? No, you saw what it was. No, I was in

the cart and he was on the green and he goes, is this close? I said, it's up to you because I literally couldn't see what it was. So you just trust his judgment? Yes. And he putted it and missed it. Oh, no. Yes, and I missed it. Okay, that's on you. But I was at least. But I was at least. But I was at least 50 yards back. Hey, I'm with you, Eddie, where I'm like, all right, yeah, I'll show you. It's up to me. I'll freaking do this. But Maya, it's up to you with so far back. That's why I said that. I'm like, dude, it's

so hot. I don't want to get out of the car. I was in the shade. I was like, dude, it's up to you. Because I know, I trust him. And then he misses the punt. I don't even know if he gave it to himself after he hit it. So I said, did you give that to yourself? And he goes, no. I'm like, oh, okay. But then he blames me for that.

It's like credit. Like, if I take that one and then I don't give him one later, he's like, really, and I didn't give this to me? Really? This is my point. I did nothing. I actually was very generous with that. Like, it's up to you.

I can't even see it. And then somehow that comes back on me. Like, I did something wrong. Right. So do you see how this is going? Yeah. If we were on Golf Channel, dude, we'd be viral right now. Everybody would be like, oh, God, did you see that drop?

Poison Ivy? There'd be a hashtag right now. Well, there wouldn't be Poison Ivy on a course on the golf channel. There wouldn't? No. You're telling me there's no poison Ivy at Beth Page. I'm pretty much telling you that. I think they go through.

They probably think that out. So we're three and we have one more round to go And I'm up four strokes I'm gonna need a spectacular round Like three birdies I don't think so I think had you shot at 85 Which you've shot many times before

Even this last round We'd be tired or you'd be in the lead But you played poor I played poor Yeah sounds like you had a day to take advantage And you didn't That's what I told them I was like man if you had just played

Not even as good as you normally do Like even a little worse than you normally do You'd have gained It was so hot. It was one of those where your glove gets so wet that you have to take it off and dry it off when you go to the neck, just from sweat. Oh, it was drenched.

Like you try to bring two shirts, three shirts. Well, I don't know. I didn't do all that. Oh, I've done that. But we had towels. It was really wet. We're like wetting them putting it on our heads. It was that kind of day.

I was reading a story about celebrities who've had poor money management and lost it all. And I think of athletes too. There was a tweet that happened yesterday and a guy was like, hey, I just played in the NFL, it was anonymous. He said a lot of these guys that would have these contracts like $500,000, a year. So not minimum, but also they're not making the millions of dollars.

They would already spend their money before they even get it. And they're basically have no money during the year because they get that money. They spend it. Then when they retire, they have nothing. Or not even retire when they just don't make a team anymore. Like they're broke, yet they made $3 million over six or seven years, but they have nothing because they spend it at such a pace and they always imagine it's always going to come.

And it doesn't. I think that's a pretty common thing. It's why they also have these classes and these seminars with the athletes before their rookie year to go, this money ain't going to last. Like you have a window. But the same thing could be said about celebrities. And so here we go. I want to go 10 to 1. 10 celebrities who had poor money management and lost it all.

Some did get it back. So these are all celebs, not just athletes. Yeah. Number 10. Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt. They were on the hills. on MTV. At the height of their fame, they brought in over $2 million a year, according to People Magazine. However, the couple spent a million bucks on clothing for Heidi, another $1 million on

a crystal collection for Spencer, expensive dinners with $3,000. So it goes on, but they talk about spending all their money. But this is, one, they probably grew up around money, and I'm not sure if they had money, but two, you just think it's always going to come when it's coming at a rapid rate like it was when you're young especially. So they probably thought, we'll always be famous and be making this money so we can spend this money.

And also having a lot of enablers around. Yeah. Does that as well. Especially if you're young. Did they bounce back? A bit. So during the fires, they lost their house.

It's a pretty big house. But I think they ended up getting some more fame and notoriety and some deals because they were some of the ones speaking out. He's still fighting with like the California lawmakers.

Spencer is. So I don't know if they ever bounced back like making millions. a year, but I don't think they're like poor. Right, Mike? Wasn't that the big narrative? He's like, I'm not a multimillionaire anymore. He was trying to make money on TikTok, so he was like, watch my videos so I can make money from

this. And then Heidi's Montag, her like career and music kind of came back again, because people started going back and listening to her music just as supporter. Yeah, so I don't think they're on the hook for paying bills, but I don't think they're, I don't think they're multi-millionaires again. Number nine, Johnny Depp. He was earning about $650 million bucks through his career up to this point. Is this before the lawsuit? Well, he had faced several financial challenges.

His downfall won his spendthrift habits. Two million dollars monthly he was spending. Bro. $30,000 on wine alone. Even $3 million to blast Hunter S. Thompson's ashes from a cannon. Dude. What? But 30 grand a month on wines.

You're looking at almost 400,000 bucks a year on wine. And it sounds stupid, right? Right? Like, oh man, how much did he drink? But you can get a bottle of wine for like, you know, $1,000. He ain't going to Kroger. He ain't getting a bottle of wine. No, he's not. Nicholas Cage, accumulated a $150 million fortune. He is notorious for his eccentric and highly ill-liquid investments, which means it takes forever to sell them. Like liquid means you have the cash. Like buying a house, not liquid, but it can be liquidish pretty quick. So you sell it. bought like a dinosaur. Yeah, we've heard of that. Yeah, years ago. He's a big collector, right? That's what you're saying? He spent all this money on a dinosaur skull and had to return it to the Mongolian government. I don't think they gave money back for it. Oh, that's just a straight loss.

He owned 15 houses around the world, including two European castles. Imagine the upkeep on those. Yeah, man, all the people working around there. And then it seems like he wasn't paying his taxes. He owed the IRS $6.3 million and face foreclosures on multiple properties. But he's good, right? I would think he's okay. He's still coming out with movies, isn't he? He's probably good. I would think he's okay.

Kim Basinger? Oh, yeah. She was like hot back in the day, right? She was. Like one of those hot actresses. Like, oh, Kim Basinger, I like to get with that. Like that type of person? Yeah, I feel like she was in Batman, the Michael Keaton Batman.

Oh, yeah. She was the love interest. She bought a whole town for 20 million bucks. I think she was also 8 Mile. Yeah. reportedly planned to revitalize the town and build a movie studio there. However, the actor backed out of a film, she'd agreed to star in the studio suitor. She was ordered to pay $8 million.

She filed for bankruptcy. Reached the settlement. Apparently, she lost much money. $0.50. What? He was one of the biggest rappers of 2000s, but lost a multimillion dollar lawsuit. He filed for bankruptcy in 2015 with $36 million in debts and assets of less than $20 million. So it looks like he was about $16 million in the hole.

Oh. What about vitamin water? Didn't he sell that? is after, right Mike? Yeah, as after. Yeah, so I think he's wanted the bounce back. Oh, but he was way, way in the hole. Do you imagine if you owed millions?

That would hurt so bad. Yeah, he owed 36 million and had a total of 20 million. So even if he sold everything he had, he'd still be on the hook for 16 million. Where you even start? Hit the road. You just get out and declare bankruptcy. I declare bankruptcy. And then you just start hitting the road, man.

Play everything. Oh, I thought you meant like run. No, no, no, no, I meant like play shows. Leave the country. Like Willie, you know, when Willie owed all that money. He just released a record. Willie's next. Despite being one of the most successful country artists of all time,

Willie Nelson found himself in deep trouble with the IRS. In 1990, his property, including a golf course and recording studio, was seized across six states. He did an album, the IRS tapes. Who will buy my memories to pay off his $16 million debt? That's legit. That's so cool. It didn't cover the full amount.

It made a dent, and he ended up paying it off later. He owed $16 million to the IRS. What was cool about that, Kevin, is that fans would go to these auctions that they were auctioning off his stuff that they took from the recording studio. His guitar, like, that we all know that we'll win it. Like, fans would be like, I'll buy it for whatever. And then they give it back to Willie. Just so you can get it back. Dang, dude.

Chris Tucker from Friday from... Yeah. Do you hear the words coming out of my mouth? Rush hour. Yeah. Yeah, he earned 25 million bucks for the third movie alone. But in 2021, he was sued by the IRS. for $9.6 million in unpaid tax liabilities.

Guys. He reached the settlement and agreed to pay $3.6 million. It wasn't his first running with the IRS. According to the Hollywood Reporter, he settled a $14 million bill with the IRS in 2014. You probably don't know the answer to this, but is this a bad accountant or like we know what we're doing? Maybe we just won't get caught. It could be no accountant. Or it could be we have a strategy in place because what happens whenever you're,

you're doing a movie or you're doing most creative work. Like this job, I get paid a salary. But any other jobs that I have for the most part, I get paid per me doing it. So they don't take taxes out. So they give you the whole check and they expect you to pay out at the end of the year. And so these actors,

they don't get paid from a company going, we've already taken the taxes out. They get there, hey, we'll pay you $5 million for this film. You get the full $5 million. Okay, you just go and start spending the $5 million. And so if you have an accountant, and they're like, we should go ahead and put $1.2 out, 2.1 out,

then that's a smart accountant and knows what they're doing, but someone go, hey, we'll get to that, we'll punt a couple times, we'll ask for a delay, ask for a, what do they call it? Oh, extension. Extension. And you're so extended,

and you owe all this money, and maybe you've spent beyond your extension. But mostly that's what happens in Hollywood when these creatives owe all the taxes. It's because they don't have a job that takes out the taxes. And so it comes back around, they've already spent the money they should have saved.

But if he had what, $9 million, but they settled for three, so he kind of won, right? Yeah, but he had another $14 million bill as well. The guy just apparently didn't pay taxes at all. I'm not sure he paid on taxes at the store. Bought some gum, refused to pay taxes on. T. Payne. T-Pain recalled being mega-rich and losing it all, and then becoming wealthy again.

The singer once had $40 million in the bank, but bad real estate investments and poor spending decisions like buying a Bugatti and returning it five months later for $400,000 less than he paid. left him broke. That's what they say as soon as you drive out of the lot. Yeah, it depreciates and I guess it depreciates like crazy

probably at the same percentage rate but if you're buying... A million dollar car? Oh dude, I assume that is like a $3 million car. A Bugatti? Well, the one that he bought. I don't even know what that is.

It's not a Lamborghini. It's not a Lamborghini. Reed and I were fighting about if it was a Lamborghini or not. It's not a Lamborghini. What was he saying? It's a Lamborghini. No, both of us were.

wrong. We were just, we just didn't know. And we were like, is it a Lamborghini? And so we didn't know, so we were both wrong. A base model of a Bugatti is $3 million. Sheesh. They have a $5.8 million car, a $9 million car, and a $10

million car. Which is why it's easy to go back for $400,000 less. At a car starting it around $3 million bucks. MC Hammer, that's a very famous story. Yeah. Heard of that one. Entourage, right? Didn't he have like a huge entourage? a bunch of folks paid for everybody, paid for everybody to do stuff. But yeah, Forbes estimated

his 1990 income at $33 million in 1990. That's like 60 million now. But he enjoyed an extravagant lifestyle and built a custom mansion on 12.5 acres with two swimming pools, a nine-car garage, four dishwashers. They put that in there. Four-divor-ditchers. Like, you can do that for five grand. If I really want it, I could buy four-dischloders. Yeah, and that's like the high-class dishwasher. It was a Bugatti dishwasher. And a rehearsal hall. He filed for bankruptcy in 1996 with debts totaling at least $13 million. And then number one.

Hold on before you move on. So where is he at? So he then relaunched his career, but he's like a pastor. He was a pastor for a while. I don't know where he is now. I can ask my assistant. Oh, ask her. See if she knows.

She knows exactly where he is. He's at Target. He's at the dollar store. I have a question. I got poor connection because the internet sucks. Oh, come on. We have an important question. Let me try again.

I have a question about the rapper MC Hammer. We were talking about how much money he made and then he filed for bankruptcy. And we were curious what he's doing now and if he's rich again. NC Hammer definitely had quite the journey. After his massive success in the 90s and then filing for bankruptcy in 1996, he reinvented himself as a tech entrepreneur. Sure. He's been involved in the tech world, investing in companies like Twitter and a few others. These days, his net worth is estimated to be around $2 million. So he's definitely bounced back.

Pretty good. Solid. Yeah, especially from where he was. Not bad, Hammer. In the hole. Yeah, Hammer didn't hurt him. Number one, anybody? Sports. Mike Tyson. Yep.

Oh, Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson is a prime example of a celebrity who lost it all, despite earning an estimated $400 million during his boxing career. He filed for bankruptcy in 2003. His lavish spending, which included exotic animals like tigers, expensive cars, and extravagant mansions, coupled with legal battles and financial mismanagement led to his downfall. Some of the things he's known for buying,

a $2 million bath tub made of solid gold. That's awesome. They make dishwashers and gold? Four of them. He owned multiple mansions, including one with tiger cages and a nightclub inside. He kept exotic pets like a white bangle tiger, which not only did he pay a lot for, cost tens of thousands per month to maintain. You got to feed at stake.

Bought dozens of luxury cars, many of which he gave away his gifts and spent heavily on jewelry clothes and entourages, reportedly traveling with as many as 50 people. That's crazy, because I traveled like three of you knuckleheads, and I'm like, It's a lot. Yeah, I'm in the whole. I think I'm like, I'm going to be like MC Hammer. I'm going to go broke. And that's what you three and cramming two of you in a room.

That's like one dinner. Yes. Yeah, that's wild. There was a, you know, Jim Gray, the sports? Yeah. He had a book called something like goats, and he had a bunch of stories about all these different goats. And one chapter is Tyson.

And he said before one of his fights, he had the Willem in Vegas. And he had a Lambe or something like that. Just bought it that day and then crashed into something and then just gave it to the valet guy. He's like, I don't want this anymore. You take it. And just gave it to him. That's like a $5 bill to some people. Probably at the time of what he had.

It's like, you get a $5 bill in your pocket. You're like, here, man, you can have this, sure. But then once it all goes away, you wish I had that $5 bill back. And then, oh, that's tough. Anyway, I thought that's pretty interesting. The 26 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday

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So these are all athletes. I'm going to give you the real name of this person and you tell me what athlete it is. Okay. Kevin and I are playing? Yes. against Kevin. And how many do you have? I have seven with like three backups that are way easier. All right.

How do you want to do it? I'll ask, I'll ask, just, I'll tell you the name, the full name. I understand the name of the game, how you want to do the game. Yeah, so you got, oh, how about you guys buzz in with your name? Okay. That good? Yeah, that's fine. All right. Buzz. Buzz? Okay, you're ready?

Yep. Vincent Edward Jackson. Buzz? No, your name. Buzz with your name, Kevin. Oh, Kevin. All right, go ahead, Kevin. Vincent Jackson, the receiver?

That'd be too easy. No. I'm going to go... He said three easy ones. No, you're out, Kevin. I'm going to go... Buzz Bobby. Go ahead, Bobby.

Reggie Jackson. No, you both are wrong. Okay. Go ahead. That's Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson is Vincent Edward Jackson. At least I didn't guess Vincent Jackson. That's a literal...

I was like, there's no way. This one's tougher. This one's tougher. Quintorious Lopez Jones. Buzz in with your name. We know how to play. When you're ready. Kevin. Kevin, go ahead.

Quinn and Williams. Don't be an idiot. No. Buzz. Bobby? Andrew Jones. No. Julio Jones.

Gosh, you guys suck at this game. Here we go. This guy. The guy makes one game. Doesn't know how to host it. And they start telling us we suck. Number three. Go ahead.

Denton Young. Oh. Denton Young. Bobby. Vince Young. Nope. You take your time, Kevin. Kevin, Buzz, Nick Young.

No. It ain't Steve Young. No, I'll give you. Let me give you guys a hint. Are we buzzing in again? Yeah. It's just a second. This is number three B.

What? He's older. Like, way older. Okay. What was it again? Denton Young. Anyone? Denton.

Like black and white days. Oh, gosh. Bobby, Buzz. Bobby. Sai Young. Sai Young. Let's go. Give him a point.

He's on the board. All right. This is a little easier. Go ahead. Number four. Eldrick taunt Woods. Bobby. Bobby.

Okay. Yeah, Bobby's up to zero. All right. Terry Jean Ballet. Bobby. Hulk O'clock again. Good, man. Kevin, he's taking the lead. He's taking off. I would have never, ever got that.

Jerry Lester Watson, Jr. Bobby? Bobby. Is Sean Watson? Nope. Jerry Lester Watson, Jr. Dude. Kevin, Jerry Jones. That's his real name. Not Bubba Watson. That's a tough one. That one's hard. Bubba Watson, the golfer. All right, last one.

Arthur Juan Brown. Pay attention to this one. Arthur Juan. I don't like when the host talks down to me. I know. I'm honestly, I don't like when the host talks down to me. Don't be stupid. Yes.

I know. Me an idiot. Oh, Kevin, Kevin. A.J. Brown. A.J. Brown. It's not a shutout. He's like, you've been really stupid so far. Stop being so stupid.

I was trying to say that the answer is in this. You can hear it. Got it. I like how he said, Juan. One. And let me give you these three other ones real quick. Daniel McCoy. Bobby.

Just for fun. Good. I want to go. McCoy. Eagle is running back. No. Lishon, no. Colt McCoy.

Colt McCoy. Is it? Yeah, but you don't get a point for that. Carston Charles Sabathia. Bobby, Cici Sabatia. Yeah, C.C. And then this one's crazy, but it's easy. Elisha Manning.

Bobby. Go ahead. Peyton Annie? No, you idiot. You idiot. Kevin. Elisha Manning. Archie Manning.

God, you idiots! Why are we idiots? It's Eli. Elijah. Elijah? Oh, you say like Elijah. Yeah, you said like Elisha. Not Elijah.

Yeah. If you say like Elisha, then yeah. You idiot. It's Elijah. You're the idiot. It's not like Elisha. It's not like E. It's like Archie, E, E, E.

It sounds like Archie, E, E, I don't know. But you guys guess the two mannings is not E. I. If you said Elijah Manning, we'd have got Eli. Elijah? Yeah, no, Elijah. Elijah. But it's Elijah with an S.H.

Isn't that crazy? This is pretty fun, dude. Doing the research for this game was fun. And it's like, no, you're effing morons. Okay. Number six. Bobby, remember that next game you host? Yeah, exactly.

All right, we're done. Thank you guys for being here. Oh, that was fun. Go follow us at Bobby Bone Sports. Eddie and I have one round of golf left to go in the old tournament. I am not playing well. Justice for Michael Parsons. It'll be done soon.

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