The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Bobby's Betting Advice to Zach from Dorm Dudes after His HUGE Parlay Hit + Riverboat Ron Rivera

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

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I'll say that I did lose my $2,500 on Bama. I did not cash out when it was like $600. We warned you. I didn't want to. That's not my style. Why did you ask? That's what I don't understand. Honestly, because I wanted hopefully do the opposite of what you said.

Sometimes when I ask, and I know if you go, you should do this, I'm like, I'm on the right track. Yeah, but you asked both me. You asked all of us. You asked me, Reed and Kevin. I just wanted you guys to know what I was dealing with. and And then we told you what we thought And he goes, not doing that

No, Reed didn't re-jumped in He goes, have fun After, after you said that Yeah, everybody's my guy though Read. Come on man So I did about $2,500 in Alabama to win the national championship

Knowing there was a decent shot They wouldn't make it in Everything had to go just wrong For them not to make it in And everything went just wrong Yeah, meeting if SMU wins, they're in If SMU gets run, they're in And SMU was getting run

And they made a... SMU almost won. And then what else won? wrong. Clemson makes an 89-yard field goal. So stupid. And now I got the game of the two oranges, two or three oranges I hate the most, Clemson and Texas. So, quickly.

And also, I'm going to play, there's going to be some bad words coming up, not from me, but from a kid that took off TikTok who plays video games against adults, and it's hilarious. There will be no bad words now, but I will warn you ahead of time. Okay, get ready for it? Because I laughed out loud and sent it to Mike immediately and was like, put this on the show. How old is this kid?

I don't know, 12, 11? It's hilarious. I think he's 12. Yeah, it's so funny. Coach, Riverboat Ron coming up, too. Let's walk through some stuff. Boise beats you in LV, which, by the way, our guy went to Purdue. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, coach.

Coach Odom went to Purdue. Good for him. I should text him. That's quick, huh? Like. Two years? Three years? No, I'm saying like, you lose and then you go to Purdue, like really quick.

Well, you lose because your season's over and the ball game doesn't matter. It probably was already like a week. Yeah, they had a green up. Yeah. I should text him right now. I love Coach Odom. And you guys all, we've all got a chance

to know Coach Odom Louis, but I've known him from his Arkansas days, and I'm so happy for him, except Purdue's cold as crap. Yeah, where's the Indiana? Yeah. East Lansing?

Sounds cold. Is that what it is? That's Michigan State. It's East. No, no, it's east rather, another, no, it's something. Because I didn't know where Purdue was,

and you're going to read it, it's going to be like, oh, that's weird. Is Purdue the city? What's it? West. Oh, it's West. Lafayette.

Okay, I knew it's something like that. Well, that's confusing. My idea sounds like Louisiana. I did. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he's going to Purdue, although it's coldest crap there. Man, Purdue was probably the worst team in football. Yeah.

They're awful. Definitely out of the power for conferences, yeah. Yeah, they were awful. So congrats. But UNLV loses 217 to Boise State, Jenny with 209 yards. Big 12 championship, Arizona State just ran. It was awesome. Arizona State looked so good, and we're going to walk through it.

Arizona State lost their best receiver and still, like I'm telling you something Arizona State they're running back Yeah Scataboo And afterward in the press conference Scadaubes Like I'm the best running back in the country I just want to

And I'm like I can't argue with that Like Gentie is But Scatibu is like Dude that dude runs hard He's angry He's like Chiefs running back Christian Acoye No right now

Pacheco he runs like Pacheco SC championship Georgia B Texas I'll come back to that I definitely want to come back for that one Big Ten Championship Penn State and Oregon What a game

Yeah, that was awesome. It ended up killing the parlay. I told you guys, don't bet the parley. I gave it to you. And I was like, I don't know. I'll take Penn State plus five and a half. And I thought there's no way they're even going to be close once the game started. What a game, though.

And then you also did say if you won the first two, cash out. Oh, I did that. Oh, I forgot that. Thank God. So hopefully people did that. Let's go. Guys, I'm going to say for the first time I feel like Penn State's a player. Yeah, they're good.

Drew Allers. And I've seen them play three times this year. At times, man, they, Oregon is the best team in the country. Yeah. It didn't matter what you did. And our boy,

wide receiver? Yes, he has to spend time with it. He has 200 yards? Player of the game, yeah. Yeah, he's awesome. He's like 4-1, 22 pounds, and they couldn't stop him.

He's skinny. He's awesome. SMU clums out on the field at the end of the game. Okay, so I just, all that out of the way. I do have some notes on a couple of things. One, that the committee made the right decision putting SMU in.

Now, here is why. I don't think SMU is the best team, one of the best 12 teams. They had to draw a line on what is important to them. And so, if you would have gotten in before your conference game, you should get in, even if you lose. But I think how they lost bad, they wouldn't have gotten in. Yeah.

If you would have gotten in before you play your conference game, and you still lose your conference game, you should still get in. And I think that's what they were. were saying. I think if Alabama plays SMU, they beat them nine out of ten times, possibly 10. If it was, we're just putting in

the 12 best teams, then Alabama gets in. But what they did is they told us schedule nobody and just play your conference games. Because SMU's best win was the overtime Duke going

for two and not getting it, winning that game. That's me to play anybody. That's okay. They got to the championship, they did what they had to do. So, and everybody's comparing, well, Alabama's the only thing, they beat Georgia, da, da, da, da. I think the commit, even though I lost money on this, I can do both, I can be separate. I can't. You can't?

No, no, I'll be pissed right now. I was really hoping Alabama would have got in, but I thought if they were going to do what I felt like was the fundamental right thing based on the rules they had given and said pre this selection, SMU should have gotten in. SMU is going to get run. I'm going to do all the thing. picking the bracket a little bit. SMU is going to get run and it's going to be ugly because they can't compete.

Good for them, they'll second their conference, first year in, got fortunate with a conference schedule that they could play. It wasn't their fault that their conference games weren't much. Same thing with Indiana. You can't really fault to them is the point. So SMU should have gotten in. I do think it's hilarious that Clemson's the 12 and SMU is the 11, even though Clemson beat SMU to get in.

Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. But I think SMU should have gotten in, although SMU is not near the team the Alabama is. And if they would have said the whole time, we're going to take the 12 best teams, a whole different story. I think they need to change some roles next year. I think they need to eliminate the conference winners, get the buys, top. Sure.

You just got to go to the top four teams. It looks weird. You just got to go to top 14. But I don't think they messed up by doing it this year. I think they'd never done it. So what you do is you do something. You set it and then you adjust accordingly after. So this 12-team playoff is the greatest thing to happen to sports in the past 15, 20 years.

It's exciting. It's pretty cool. It is. And people fighting and who cares. When you fight over four teams, when you fight over 12 or 13, all those games mattered at the end of the year. There were 18 games that mattered in the last two weeks for the national championship. That was awesome. So I love the playoff.

I can remove myself from losing the $2,500 bet I made out of Alabama. Good for you. I can. I can. Because I did say my only bet was bet Georgia money line over Texas, even though Texas was the favorite. And I made it up there to pretty much counter that. That was a good game, though. That was a pretty good game. Yeah. It's a boring game. It was a boring game. Yeah, it was, first half was boring. And it was like the two quarterbacks that were supposed to be the quarterbacks. You were, eh. Beck? Yeah. We got his one guy destroyed. Yeah. I mean, so. I can't really have came back for that last play.

And then people are all like, well, let's look at the other schedules. And I'll say this. And there's no joke, I don't like Texas. And a lot of that comes from insecurity and inferiority. But I admit that. I hate Texas. It's a strong word, though. No, no, I hate Texas. I was born and bred to hate Texas because they are bigger than us.

They're richer than us. They have more tradition than us. Everything about Texas is just what we in Arkansas, like, dang, I wish we would have had some money in our state or be a bigger state or have major metropolitan cities or have a recruiting fertile fan base or have all that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't. We don't. So I hate Texas. respect them, but hate them.

Texas said they didn't be to a single top 25 team. They have no wins over top 25 team. The only time, the two teams they played that were ranked, they lost both times. So if you're going to start doing the, well, they didn't, but that's not what we're doing. Texas got to the championship game. You get in, you were going to get in anyway, you're good. Mike. Yeah.

I know it sucked. Oh, it's awful. You're going to get a home game, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be. fun, huh? Yeah, but I mean, there were just so many opportunities to win that game, and we kept losing the ball, all these penalties,

it was just like, it frustrating. Yeah, but at times when teams go, you know, we didn't play good enough to win, mostly it's a lot of times because the other team played really well to make you not play good enough to win. Like defensively, Georgia, although that one drop pick

early in the game, oh man, yeah, that's pick six, city. But when Texas started kicking field goals and dominating but still only up six nothing, you're like, At the half. They're at every staph. This is going to turn at some point. And the chance to win it at the end and still couldn't score.

So you know, Mike, I hate Texas, but I respect Texas and you, right? Yeah. So when I say that, like, I hate freaking Texas. But, like, it's out of love. Of myself. That's sweet of you. Yeah. Texas lost.

I like, we'll talk about their path coming up in a little bit. They're playing Clemson. It's like, the devil's playing Satan. It's like, dear God. Like, can't they both be it? So, but Texas has no top 25 wins. So they haven't beat anybody good. But they don't have to beat anybody good because they beat the schedule that was ahead of them.

And I heard some people like, look at Texas, first year in the SEC in the championship game, yet A&M did that too. Oh, yeah. Did A&M win it? I think they got smoked, didn't. No, they didn't win it. They didn't win it. But I'm glad Texas did not win. Yeah, for that reason.

No, no, no for many. But I mean, really, them coming in first year, winning it. But they had a stack team. It would have been crazy, except they were loaded. And they were loaded last year and made it to the college. football playoff. What are you going to say about the SMU team? They were way down.

They came back. They looked. Final drive. The guy keeps his feet in, touchdown. I watched every game. I watched all the games. It was great. And then, freaking Clemson kicks a 56-yard field goal

to win the game. Good for them. They deserve it. They deserve it. Because they won the game. They're bigger, faster, stronger than SMU anyway. I think they played SMU 10 times. They probably win seven of those.

Yeah. Because Dad would have a better act. athletes. And not that SMU can't. And SMU has a lot of money now in the NIO world. They've always been a rich kid school, but they have a lot of money now for athletics. They just, you know, they got the coach from USC, the basketball coach. He paid a much money. You think USC to SMU and any other world is a move you make? No, of course it's not. Like a lateral move. Yeah. So good, good on that. I do want to talk about, oh, Timothy Chamile. How do you say his name? Shamelay. Here's what I'm going to say about him. I watched him on college game day.

plus. Respect. Complete. And I don't care how he did it because you have the people going, well, he's an actor

and he's studied. Cool. And you have people going, no, he knows ball. Great. All I care about and I don't even care that much,

except for I like when people are taking dumps on people for me to go like, no, don't take a dump on that person because they don't deserve it. And before

Timothy Chamaala went on, they were like, what does this dude doing? He's like a long-haired little frou-frou actor, L.A. Nothing about him screams I've even watched a sport. Yeah, I see that. Right? Just by looking at him.

He dominated. I heard he did really good. He did. He did really good. And again, I don't care for what reason, and I will tell you why. Let's say he is a great actor. And Dune, Mike, he's good. I was never a chama-cham plan, but dude, he's a good actor.

Great Willy Wonka. Was he? Yeah. Never saw that one. Soon to be Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan, yeah. They're going to send me a screener, Mike. I don't want to say.

He was in town this weekend. I almost got to interview him. What? I got like an email at five saying, hey, Timothy Chalameh is going to be at this theater if you could be there. I replied immediately. They said it was filled up. Dang. Dang.

Well, he went on. Dang. He even was like almost perfect in his picks. I only got to pick Ohio. Sound like he knew he was talking about. But here's what I want to say. let's just say the haters are right and he's an actor

and he studied and he knew everything you don't think a lot of those people are doing heavily studying before they go on because it's not like I could go on and even know the Ohio team and I would go on and be like okay let's see Ohio runs three four defense but they're gonna do I'm gonna go oh I would even study

to sound halfway decent on that sure and I feel like I'm fairly knowledgeable of freaking sports like at any point he was really good doesn't everybody up there study like everyone up there studies Yes, but he was so good and he wasn't expected to be good that it kind of set everybody into a shock.

All based on his looks and him being an actor, that's so unfair. And nobody ever grades people on those each week. So why is, is it because of who he is? That's true. Oh, it's precisely because of who he is and where he comes from and never openly being a sports fan. He also dates a Kardashian, but he's like little, like, super thin, everything about you think of Hollywood Pretty Boy actor.

Like smokes a thin cigarette. Oh, he does? Yeah, it was in musical theater growing up. Musical theater. Yeah. Dude, he rocked it. I could not be more complimentary for however he dominated, he dominated it.

Because imagine this. Let's say no sports, he rocked it. Let's say he studied it and didn't know any of that sports. He rocked it. He was good at. Imagine what somebody that's like a comedian goes up there. And they don't so much study for sports, but they write jokes about the team and stuff.

And they go up and they crush it. Nobody goes like, well, he studied just to be funny. He did his funny thing. Let's say he memorized lines and was acting. Well, comedians get extra. Dude, they're extra funny dedicated just to being funny for that specific thing. There's no difference. Everybody's just a hater because they're not him or they don't get to be on college game day or they're not.

I feel like if you get asked to be on there and you don't know anything about sports, I bet a lot of people kind of turn that down and be like, no, I don't want to look like an idiot. No, they'll walk you through it. They'll walk you through it. Yeah. There have been a couple times where they've been like, hey, if Arkansas wins, we'd like to talk to you about possibly being either game day or SEC Network has been there a couple times when it was in game day. every single time Arkansas has lost for the record that their game day was coming

and they've never said for sure you're the one and I think I might have been like second pick every time depending on if they could have got like John Daly's not at a bunch I wasn't worried about John Daley but if like a McFadden was there there was a chance like an NFL guy but both times recently they were like hey

we want to consider you for this and I'm like cool I know the games the games I don't know I'll study up oh you'd be great at that though maybe but that would probably make me terrible because I'd be like, I'd be great. But I would study like crap. Anyway, Sean, I give Timothy Chamala a plus, Mike.

He was good. Did you see it? Yeah, he's good. He's great. I would say he knows ball, and if he doesn't, he tricked me into knowing ball. Like, he tricks me into a he didn't do, like he's on another planet. I believe that, too. I believe he's on another planet trying to save it.

He'd make the longhorns. It didn't work out, but that was cool. That was his only miss, maybe, huh? Yeah, I think so. McAfee was only on the Big Georgia. Yeah, had that whole panel, right? McAfee and me. Money line.

Oh, you two. Money line. They should have had you. Yes. So, okay, boom, boom. Eddie went to the Titans game? I did. I saw your picture.

By the way, what a terrible... Awful. Just a few hours. A terrible game? Well, I saw your seats and you're like going last minute. Those weren't my seats. Why would take a picture from seats? Because I walked right in.

And I was like, boom, first picture. Then I went to my seats. Dude, my seats were way up in the top. Oh, they were worse than what you showed. Oh, yeah. Because you bought them last minute? Yeah, well, no. I mean, so we were on our way to church and I was like, you know what?

I was doing my parlay, and I look at that game. I'm like, there's got to be some cheap tickets for this game. And so I look on seat geet, and sure enough, it's like $15. They're up. It was like second row on the very, very top. 15 bucks, that's awesome, though. 15 bucks, do for six, for four kids and the whole family going. Your wife's go?

Yeah, we all did it. It was awesome. Did they have a good time? Well, I didn't realize this, but, and I guess I should as a dad, but it was their first NFL game. Oh. Like, I didn't even think about that because I guess we've been trying to do a Cowboys game for a long time that like I've never even thought about just taking a Sunday and us going to see the Titans and then they were like, dad, this is so much fun. It's our first NFL game.

Like, yeah, I knew that. I knew that. They had to tell you it was our first game. Completely spaced out on Titans. Well, hey, it's only up from here. That's true. I had a friend who took his kid to a first college game and it was a crazy game. And it was like overtime and they had seats in like the fourth row and I'm like, oh God, this kid's never going to be the same. You took them to the perfect first game. Right. Bad seats, bad teams. Was it raining? It drizzled a little bit, but it never

turned into like a real rain. That's good. But man, they're terrible. They realize how long the games are when you're actually there? Yeah, so like they stand around and a few times the kids were like, hey, why are they just not doing anything? I'm like, it's commercial break. And they were like, mind-blown, like, oh, yeah, this is what they do when we're watching a commercial.

Yeah, is it? So that was kind of cool. And then they didn't realize, too, just kind of when they would throw a far, like a long pass, a 40-yard pass, how really far they're throwing it. To them, they were just like, oh, my, like, did you see him throw that ball? Like, that thing went all the way across this whole stadium. So it was cool to see them see that for themselves because when you do watch the TV, like, you don't see the receivers.

You just see the quarterback kind of chunking, like, what's he chunking it to? So you kind of see how far they are down the field, which is really cool. Yeah, and they got to see two just glorious quarter. Backs. Dude, Will Leves is awful, right? So bad. Well, who's, him or Mac Jones? Both. So we already know about Mac Jones. That's true. He's terrible. But I say terrible

is in like 10 million. It's better than us. Yeah, of course. In every way. Like, he looks great in his uniform. The whole thing. We are now, you want to go? Mike, you want to do the spot or you want to go to the interview? Let's do the spot. Okay, do. Okay. Well, everybody, it's time to do the spot.

That's me looking for the spot. Killing time. As far as the parlay, hopefully you did as I suggested because if you did, then you won. Georgia Moneyline versus Texas win, Arizona State Moneyland versus Iowa State win. And I said if you hit those two, cash out. And if you didn't, Penn State, oh, it's plus three and a half? I thought it was five and a half. Yeah.

I should have cashed out. I didn't know. I told myself to cash out. You forgot that part. But I did hit big time on Georgia Moneyline, Texas. So, yeah, I hope you did what I did. Hope you did what I said. That's awesome.

so there's that and it's a different app and i want to tell you you can select two or more players on the pick six i'm going to say this too about pick six and i got to be careful about what i say there's not every state that you can use draft kings correct okay well i'm not we know that yeah i'm picking yeah i had a meeting with drive kings guys did you yeah got like them we've worked on for years and we were talking about like next you know just trying to keep what how can we grow this thing and possibly, I don't want to spoil it, but possibly we might go to the Super Bowl. Oh my goodness. Or at least be there for the couple days ahead of time to do all the press stuff.

That's fine. What? So I'm not sure if we can yet, but we were just talking about stuff, right? Stuff's cool. Stuff's great. And so we were talking about pick six, because pick six is fun, but it's a different app. It's a draft king's pick six app. And this is great in basketball.

This is great in football, too, because we still have a lot of NFL to do. But you pick two or more players, and you just pick if they'll have more or less of a stat. So I'm just saying you can do this in stage you can't draft kings. Oh, is that because it's... Ah! Uh-uh. Got it.

Yeah. Loud and clear. So like two or more players and choose of they'll have more or less of a stat, like points or rebounds or three-pointers or more basketball, pictorial players. But let's talk about football. Tonight, Jamar Chase, more or less than 81 receiving yards. I'm going to go more. Bengals got to score a bunch of points in order to

frigging win games. Not that the Cowboys are going to need them score a bunch of points. No, but the Cowboys are going to need them score a bunch of points. is secondary. They've got a lot of holes in them. CDLA, more or less than 68, receiving yards. Let's go more there too, because they're going to have to score a bunch of points to... Sure. And Cooper Rush is actually...

Cooper in a little bit. Yeah, yeah, he can win games. Joe Burrow, more or less than 276 passing yards. I would have said before this less, but we saw some threes yesterday. We saw some guys throw, which is pretty cool. Dude, Sam Darnalism is a beast, a monster. If they don't try to sign him now, I know that was never the plan, maybe he doesn't want to stay in Minnesota.

I know that was never the plan. It couldn't be. J.J. McCart. He's not playing good for Sam Darnold. Now he's just playing really good. And he's only 27. So we had a bunch of guys still for 300 yesterday. At least a few.

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A couple years ago, they decided that I had just hit the threshold of being famous enough to play in the Pebble Beach Pro Am. It was a real highlight for me. Nice. A big deal. Yeah. And by far, I was the least famous person there. But at least I was like famous.

You're there. Yeah, because they don't invite people. But I'm talking bottom of the barrel. I'm scraping. But that's okay. Yeah. And like the people that were there were like Jason Bateman, talk to him, hung out with him. I mean, it was like super, superstars.

And everybody was so nice. It's kind of the rule there that if you're not super nice and kind to everybody else that's playing there, they don't invite you back. And I know about massive stars that weren't a biteback. So Eddie and I are just walking around. Yeah. And like the, it's not really a clubhouse, but like an area where they would be the clubhouse. There was a tent, but it would be the clubhouse.

And we see Ron Rivera. And I'm like, that's Ron Rivera. We should say hi. Because everybody's nice. And if everybody wasn't nice, I wouldn't. And I was like, hey, Coach Rivera, I'm Bobby, this Eddie. He said, now what does it talk to us? It was amazing.

It was amazing. And I did not expect him to remember it because we totally went up and ambushed him. and he was super cool about everything, but we bring it up at the end of this interview. Was he standing by himself? He was walking by himself. And I had my Cowboys hat on, and he was the coach for the commanders at the time,

and he looked at me like, what are you doing? Why are you wearing that crap? Here he is, two-time NFL coach of the year and Super Bowl champion Ron Rivera. Coach Rivera told a story about how we got that nickname Riverboat Ron. His ties to the military, upcoming Army Navy game. Much more. Big thanks for coming on.

It's awesome. You can watch the Army Navy game this Saturday on CBS at 3. PM Eastern. Here he is. Coach Ron Rivera. Hey, coach, we really appreciate the time. We have friends that have played against you and that have played for you in different capacities and they really liked you and

said you were players. To them, they defined you as a player's coach, which I would not think if I came from a military background, I would be much of a players coach. How were you able to balance that where you were such a disciplinarian but also the players still really liked you? Well, I think, Bobby, the biggest thing or anything else

was I played the game too. I had not years of Vanderville experience played for the Chicago Bears on the 1985 championship team and I think that gives me credibility. It didn't make me necessarily a better coach than anybody else but what it did was it gave me perspective. I have a different perspective than a lot of people do and that is I played the game, I've coached the game, now I'm doing some broadcast stuff. I may coach again but I have a perspective a lot of people don't have. They don't look at it from a different set of eyes like I do.

You may coach again. I'm not going to let that nugget just swim by coach because there will be a lot of positions that are open. Are you already starting to get calls just gauging interest? Well, I do know that I have an agency that I'm working with and they for the most part are the ones handling it. I'm just kind of staying low right now. You never really want to get it out there until it's time.

And so we'll see what happens at the end of the season. We'll go from there. Did you do the Super Bowl shuffle? No, that's a great story. You know, they filmed the Super Bowl shuffle the day after we got beat by Miami. It was our only loss that year. You know, we finished the season. We were 18 and 1, but our only loss was the Monday night loss to Miami in Miami.

And it was a, you know, it was a heartbreak. It really was. But what happened was on the flight home, see, back in the day, Monday night, didn't start until 9 p.m. Because they wanted the West Coast to, you know, be able to watch it at 6 p.m. So you start the game at 9, game runs long. We don't finish the game until after midnight on the East Coast. So typically after your game, you know, you shower up, you head to the airport and you fly back.

Well, we were flying back. Willie Gault was part of the group that was putting together in the Super Bowl shuffle. And he was going up and down the aisles of the airplane trying to get guys to show up. And if you really watch it, you'll notice that. Really, there's only about 24, 25 guys showed up in person. Several guys didn't show up. I was one of them. Not that it mattered, but, you know, Jim McMahon didn't show.

Walter Payton wasn't there originally. Jim McMahon. William Perry. And so what they had to do with those guys was they had to blue screen those guys in. So if you really watch it, and you'll notice that certain guys were blue-screened in. And that was all because, you know, we had just lost. And it's not like, you know, you wanted to go do something like that after a loss. But still, you know, they had 20-some-odd guys show up.

They did the most of the filming that day. And then they captured the guys they really needed later on. Do you regret not showing up now? I wish I had. That thing has gone gold and platinum and, you know, all the way on down. And it still lives today. It still lives today. And you know, that's the thing people understand.

That 85 team was the first rock and roll super bowl. Bowl. It was the 20th anniversary of it. It was one of those things that just, you know, it definitely does live on and on. It's crazy, but that just shows you how iconic and how powerful that team was. I'm going to talk about the Army Navy game in just a second

with you because I know, again, you're personally involved, but before I get to that, we talk about coaching. Would you coach college? I'd consider it, but it'd have to be the right place, the right fit. You know, my last 40 years coaching in the NFL was very difficult. And, and

And it was a lot had to do with some of the stuff that really doesn't revolve around football itself. There are a lot of outside things that I had to work through for the team. But I really, you know, love the game. I love coaching. I've never been on the college level, so I'm not quite sure what I would expect. So I really have to, if the opportunity came up, I really have to think about that. I really would. I got a couple of teams that would like for you to coach.

Let me know if that's a pretty big booster in a couple places, coach. We're just a call away. Me and you, we can do this. I do want to talk about the Army Navy game for a second because your dad served in the military. Is that true? Yes. Yeah, my dad served 32 years in the United States Army, Chief Warren officer. You know, our dad was one of those lifers and he just traveled the world and brought the family with them.

You know, we were in Germany. We were in Panama. We were in Fort Meade, Maryland. We were in Fort Lewis, Washington. But our home base was always forward toward California. How do you feel like that affected you as a coach? the discipline that he lived and taught you, how much of that came through you to your players?

I think it came through a lot. One of the biggest things you learned right off the bat is train of command. You know, everything kind of is just structured from the top and works its way down. And you also learned responsibility. One of the really cool lessons I learned from my dad was when I first got the job as the head coach of the Carolina Panthers, dad and I were talking.

And he never told me anything or what to do or how to do things, anything like that. But he did give me this one message for that I thought was really cool. He and I were in the garage of their house, and we were talking about it. He said, Ronnie, I want you understand something. He said, listen, you're now in charge.

You're now the math. He said, understand this. But all hell is breaking loose. Right in the middle of combat, and all hell is breaking loose. Mortars are landing, firing, you know, people are firing their weapons. Guys were all over the place, screaming and yelling.

everybody turns and looks at the commander. If he's at control, if he's in charge, everybody calms down and they work off at him. He said, never forget that. If you're out of control, your player will feed off of you and they'll be out of control. If you're calm and cool in the motor pool, that's one of his favorite sayings, calm and cool in the motor pool, hey, they'll be calm, they'll be cool, and they'll play for you. And I never forgot that little lesson he gave me. Did you feel like if there was a game-winning field goal or a miss field goal or a big play? you still need to remain calm because people could see

or even like somebody like hang in their head, like a quarterback hanging their head. Did you talk to them about the same type of thing? Absolutely. That was one of the things I tried to get across, especially in the quarterback position or the middle line back. Guys, hey, everybody looks at you. Everybody feeds off your energy.

You drop them shoulders. They'll drop their shoulders. You keep that chest step high. They'll keep their chest up high. So just understand everybody is watching you and everybody around you is reflection of the way you handle things. You're working with USAA. What is your relationship with them and why is this game so important? Well, USA, I've been a member for over, gosh, since 1982, I believe it was. I've inherited from my father.

And I've been a member ever since they handle all my family's insurances and stuff like that. And what they've been involved in supporting the military because they were started with the military in mind. Their history goes back that a group of military officers got together and said, you know, we need to be able to have insurance that we can take with us, travel with us, transfer with us, and then pass on to our kids. And so they started USAA. And the whole thing behind it is that it serves the military community. I've been very fortunate to be involved with them. I was the NFL salute to service award winner coming after the 2022 season, which was really a cool thing. and it's also because, you know, my father served. And when we were in Panama, the one thing I remember is I remember the U.S. and how they would travel all over the United States, all over the world,

and, you know, put on these events for the military families. And just that was the first time I ever saw anybody give back to the military. And so it kind of touched me. And so as I got older and got into the NFL, I got involved in doing stuff for the military, being around them, then go to him. Charlotte for the Carolina Panthers and come to find out that the U.S.O. was born in North Carolina. And so my wife and I, one of the charities that we worked with, one of the people that we help fundraise for and do things for was the U.S.O of North Carolina.

Army Navy games also just awesome. I'm glad it has its own week. It's just, and you're going to be at that game? Yes, yes. You know, I was invited to be part of some of the ceremonies on Friday and Saturday. so I most certainly will be there. And it's just an opportunity, again, to give back. It was kind of neat because of some of the people that I've been around. I got an opportunity to go to West Point last spring. Me and Joe Tori went there, and we talked about leadership,

and we talked about dealing with hostile media as well. It was a lot of fun, and it was really neat to be around the cadets. And really just, you know, when you see these young men and women, you feel very good about our country because you know who these people are. and they do really truly do represent the finest. And I can imagine it's the same way. The Naval Academy is the same way at the Air Force Academy. I haven't had a chance to be that those two places,

but I will tell you if anything like West Point, we're in a very good place as far as people in this world. You have a Walter Payton jersey behind you, and I would read stories about Walter Payton and taking the soles of his shoes out so he could fill the ground as he ran. Did you ever see that for yourself? Yes, I did.

You know one of the things I used to do, and I did it, and I kind of regretted it a little bit was I would run that hill that he used to run with him every now and then. He would get me and say, come on, Chico, we've got to go run some hills. So I would go run with him and, man, I'll tell you what, that was one of the hardest things I've ever done. Just watching him work out, watching him prepare for the season. And he did some of this stuff in season as well. People don't realize that he kept himself in tip-top shape always. He, a different time, obviously, but running backs, you know, they ran hard and they ran a lot.

and one back was the three down back. You basically had one. Now, they don't even want backs getting hit a lot in college because every time he gets hit, that's one less hit he takes in the NFL and he has nothing on the tires. That wasn't the case back then. And I would compare it to baseball on pitchers now

where they put everybody on pitch counts. And there weren't near as many arm injuries 25 years ago because people didn't know possibly what they should or shouldn't do. Do you feel like with running backs, it's the same as like a pitcher with pitch counts and maybe we're a little too sensitive? Absolutely. Bobby, you bring up a great point about this. And that is preparing to play sports today has become so specialized that, you know, if you're a baseball player, all you ever do is play baseball and you play it year round.

If you're a football, all you're a year round, when we were kids, and I know when you're, you know, you're a lot younger than me, but I know you probably played all the sports because I grew up playing football, basketball, baseball, tennis, racquetball, swimming. I mean, we did everything. We crossed trained. And then when I got into the end, I went through college football and then got in the NFL, we had two a days. And we had two of days in pads.

And two of days of pads lasted for two solid weeks. Every day the same thing. Every day they hitting the grind. I think what happened for us, a lot of us, we built up the callousness to the game. You know what I'm saying? We understood the difference between being injured and being hurt. You know, there's a huge difference. and you know when you're hurting you're sore okay that's one thing but man when you're injured

that's that's when you do have to take the time off that's when you do have to go through rehab and get yourself ready to go again when you're hurt it's now about maintaining your body and taking care of it today you know the kids they don't cross train the way that we did back in the day they they do have these pitch counts they do have these hit counts you know they watch the way they practice you have guys that now they wear the GPS stuff and based on what the GPS tells you You know, he's traveled X amount of yards. He's using X amount of force to run. We need to back him off.

And I think because of that, we have not built the callousness we need to play these games today in our young people. I want to ask you about Carolina for a second because you were gone before it seemingly turned bad. And it's bad. I mean, there are from Baker to we can go. even Baker talking this past week to Bryce Young on the field, and you kind of read their lips a little bit. It's not. You were there, and I think David Tepper is the one that came in

when you were coaching the team, right? And, you know, it doesn't seem to me from 10,000 feet up that he's running an organization there that is doing anything productive at all. What is happening in Carolina? I think the biggest thing more than anything else is Mr. Tepper's learning, and he's growing with his organization. You know, I was fortunate.

I was with Jerry Richardson, Mr. Richardson played back in the day. He played for the Baltimore Colts when they were the Colts, played on their championship team, and then went from the championship team and started his life and business. He becomes the owner, and as he went through it, he grew and developed his culture the way he wanted it.

I think what you're going through right now in Carolina is the same thing, as that growth and learning to develop and have a culture. What I will say is I do like who they have now as their head coach. I think Dave Connells is one of the really good, young, fine minds in the NFL. out. He's a good offensive mind. He's done a great job. I think this year, one of the things he had to do was he benched Bryce Young at the beginning of the season. And now Bryce's come back

and he's had an opportunity to play. He's playing pretty doggone well. I think that was one of the really good moves this year that coaches have made. I really do. I think taking Bryce, setting him down, giving him a chance to watch Andy Dalton, who's a very veteran guy. He watched Andy. He worked with Andy. Andy. And he was terrific with the young man too. And I think what you're seeing now is the results of a kid getting a chance to take a step back, watch how it's done, work with the guy that's done it before, and at the same time, I think Coach Canales also has figured out some of the better plays to use for the young man. You're starting to see some growth in that player, and I think you're seeing a little bit of growth in that team, especially on the field.

And he looks great. Like, again, even this last week, and they lost the game, it's fumbled in, but he threw for almost 302 touchdowns. That's like three games in a row where, you know, he's not going to be extremely dynamic all the time because he does not have the weapons. But, man, looks good and at times dynamic and I think that's what they're looking for, right? Absolutely. And the thing that's real interesting too is you see some of the stuff that Dave Canales is doing. You know, Dave was in Seattle with Russell Wilson, who wasn't a very big guy. Now he was Brussels, a little bit more stout than, you know, than he is. I think what you're just going to see is you're going to see a little bit more of what they

used to do in Seattle being implemented in the offense that they use. You know, I think Sean Payton's done a tremendous job where he is with Bo Nix, but he also did a tremendous job with Drew Brees. Drew was a shorter guy as well. But what he did was he made sure he had an offensive line that was very stout up front. His two guards in center were really stout. There was no push, no penetration,

which allowed Drew to take his drop and then step in and drive the ball, gave him a chance to see through the passing length because they made sure they had the right kind of players around him. And that truly has helped him an awful lot. So to me, I start watching Carolina, and I'm seeing what Dave Canales is doing and what he's trying to implement on the offense.

And I go, wow, this dude's doing a hell of a job. So I really do think he's one of the really good young minds right now in the NFL. Four final questions for you. I felt like when you went into Washington, and again, this is me from 10,000 feet up. And I know you look at me and you're like, you probably played linebacker. I didn't coach. I didn't play in the NFL. I know I looked intimidating.

But I felt like that that institution with Dan Snyder was in such disarray. They wanted to bring someone in that could kind of refocus the entire – from all the way up as far as you could reach. to all the way down to personnel. Did you feel that that was your job when you went in there? Did you feel like, and what was the ceiling you thought when you went into Washington? Well, I thought there was a lot of potential because a lot of people forget, we came in and we won the division our first year. You know, in spite of the fact, it wasn't a good division, but we wanted.

But going forward, there were so many things that we had to deal with, so many things that were outside the realm of football that we had to deal with and try and get corrected. You know, one thing that happened to is, you know, my personal battle with cancer. You know, I would diagnose with cancer just before training camp started my first year there. And, you know, that was part of what I had to deal with for the first couple of months in the season. But once we got past that, and you can see the guys started to come together, started the play. What it also helped me make me truly realize was how important having a quarterback is.

You know, my first seven years in Carolina had Cam Newton, who was about as good as anybody at the time, took us to a Super Bowl. We were the first team in that division to win three straight division championships. I mean, when you have a guy like that and that guy is your guy, it gives you every opportunity to be successful. You go around and look throughout the league. Coaches that have had that have been very, very productive. Andy Reid, you know, he had Donovan McNabb initially when he starts in Philadelphia. Then he comes out, and he's got Patrick Mahomes, arguing one of the best. Shaw McDermott doing what he's doing up in Buffalo.

I mean, that's another great, you know, with Josh Alton. That just shows you how important it is. But sometimes when you're looking for that guy constantly, and that's what we did, you know, my whole four years in Washington, we constantly looked for a guy that could help carry the team. And when you don't have that guy, you struggle. Now they got Jayden Daniels.

And I'm telling you, I think what Dan Quinn's doing there is really great, some really good things with that young man and that team. So it's been kind of neat to watch what's been going on in the NFL this year. Three questions left. When it comes to quarterbacks, we're seeing so much it matters where you land. who's coaching you, what system you're in, right? Because you can draft a quarterback that just doesn't match the system. Who is a quarterback you think was just not in the right place,

but probably had so much potential, but because of possibly where he was drafted and the system he was put into, was not able to reach his full potential? I think Sam Darnel. I mean, right now when you see what's going on in Minnesota, Kevin Connell's done a great job. He has reestablished who that young man should be as a quarterback in the NFL. He's got a really solid call.

college career, starts off in the NFL with the Jets, I believe, struggled, struggled, with my lead, didn't seem to fit the system, bounced around for a few years, then all of a sudden he goes up to Minnesota and look what's happened. Look how he's playing with confidence. Look how he's got that team right in the middle of the playoff run. I mean, I think that's a great example of a guy being put in a great system. You can say the same thing for Baker Mayfield, bounced around his first few years. Now all of a sudden he ended up in Tampa Bay in a system that really seems to fit him. And look how he's played. He's played well and he's really truly leading that team right now.

I was going through some dad. It looks like you scored one touchdown. You know, you weren't really a touchdown guy. Do you have the ball? Did you keep the ball? Oh, without a doubt. It's funny. I scored the touchdown.

I spiked the ball. And then I realized, what the hell are you doing? I went and chased it down and grabbed it, took it from the ball boy and walked back to the sideline with it. Yeah, that's good. Final question. Whenever the nickname Riverboat Ron came about, and obviously it's, you know,

I feel like it was in Carolina when I heard. at first. Did you feel like you were a guy that pushed the limits or were you just being you? Like, I don't know. Like, I know when I go to the casino sometimes, I'm like, I'm going hard. I'm going to be a little more. Did you feel like you were a gambler or were you just playing what you felt? I was playing what I felt, but this is what's interesting now.

Riverboat Ron came about because of John Madden. Okay. After my second year in Carolina, I had this crazy record of being 3 and 13, the game decided by one score or less. and at the end of the year, like I did my first year, my second year, I sit down with the owner, Jared Richardson, and we talk about what just happened, how the season went, and what needed to happen to go forward. And one of the things I said to Mr. Richardson, I said, you know, I really think I need a mentor. And I'd like to have your permission to reach out and find a mentor.

And he kind of starts to chuckle to him, and he goes, I want you to take a look at this index card. And he slides this index card across to me. And there's a phone number on it. And under the phone number, the name is John Madden. I started laughing at Mr. Richard, that's why I was going to ask for permission to call. I wanted to talk to, I wanted to talk to Coach Madden.

And, you know, sure enough, Mr. Richardson looks at me and goes, he's expecting your call. So I call Mr. Coach Madden. We start talking about it. And one of the things that he said to me says, hey, I understand you're 3 and 13 by games decided by a score or less. Why don't you go back and look and see if there's

something different you could have done? Well, I took that, oh, hey, you need to do a report. So I went back. I looked at those games. I wrote this 20-page report about, you know, things that happened in the game, how I could have done things differently. So I go out, I visit with him. I go to his Pleasanton, California, where his home office is,

going to his office, and it's like, oh, my God, it was like the Hall of Fame. Everything he had was all about the Rangers. It was really a neat place to be. It really was. And we had a great conversation. We're talking. And finally I said, well, I have that, I have that report that you wanted me to do. I thought, oh, hey.

That's like my house. Sounds like my house coach. Yeah. Well, she wants to go out and chase squirrels, and she's kind of pissed off at me right now. Give me a minute, please, okay? We'll be right here. Come here, come here, come here, come here.

Good girl. So anyways, so he says to me, what did you learn? I said, well, you know, I learned I kicked here and I punted there. And what it made me realize was I was doing what was safe. Okay. When I should have gone for it on fourth down, get the first down and in the game,

I didn't. And so he made me realize I needed to start thinking through it. And he says to me, he says, Ron, you've played enough. You've coached it up. No, certain situations dictate you take a chance. And that's when I learned. So fast forward, getting into my third season, we're playing Minnesota in Minnesota. And opening series, I go for it twice on fourth down.

In fact, we score on a fourth and three on a shovel pass. Okay? On a shovel pass, we score. I did it again later in the game. I went forward and fourth down, get the first down. So after the game, they go up to the fans. They start saying, boy, Coach Rivera, what do you think about him going for it off, Fort Down?

Oh, that's great. It's cool. Finally they get through this one guy says, what do you think Coach Rivera going for it on fourth down? He goes, oh, my God, are you kidding? Oh, Coach Rivera is out there like a riverboat damgirl. I'll tell you that old riverboat rock. That was something else.

And that's how it started. It stuck. Coach, we really appreciate the time. And this is not a question, but just a very quick story that I'm happy to share a lot of times. But a couple of years ago before they limited the field, because last year they limited it, but I played in the Pebble Beach Proam, and I was very excited because it was the first time that they thought I was famous so I was like this is cool so I went

out and got to play and it was very brief but I saw you and you were there this a couple years ago and I was like I don't want to go bother Coach Rivera but I've always been a massive fan of you and and just your story and sharing your story and I said hey Coach Rivera and you sat and talked to me and my friend Eddie for like 10 minutes and it was like nobody else was in the room and I tell people this story all the time and to be able to tell you this back that you just, like, focused and talk to football to people that you didn't know if we knew football or soccer, but you were so kind to us for no reason whatsoever. And I just want to personally say thank you for that 10 minutes or so.

It's meant the world. And I just appreciate you today. And congrats. And I can't wait for you to coach again because whatever that is, I'll be rooting for you, coach. I appreciate it. I mean, thanks for having me on. And again, just so you know, looking forward to the Army Navy game, I appreciate the association I have with USAA.

USAA sponsored a game since 2009 Army Navy game December 14th Coach Ron Rivera. Thanks coach have a great day All right thanks Bobby See you coach All right I'm up at the board now you guys can watch this on YouTube But we have the bracket up ahead of me And so here is who's going to be your national championship Which by the way Penn State got the luckiest straw in the history of draws

Let's just say Penn State didn't even win Now they didn't get a buy but they got the luckiest draw ever We're going to start down here with Texas and Clemson So down here we got Texas and Clemson Clemson, I hate orange. I don't like any orange team. And they're all grouped together for you. You know, Texas and Clemson, I wish they would just eliminate the color orange.

Maybe a big hole happens, and they both get sucked in. I don't want anybody to die. I want everybody to live a happy and fruitful life, but let's cancel football once the holes in, and these two teams are now gone. But that being said, we're going to have, it's going to hurt. It's going to paint for me to say this, Mike. Just say it. No.

Just get it out, rip the band. Texas will be moving on. Because Clemson kind of sucks. And here's the thing about Clemson. They're the only team to, like, big-time me, like Davo's big-time me like four times to be interviewed. Every time he's a little too cool to come on the show. So of the two oranges I hate, I hate Texas more.

But Davos big-time me personally. So we're going, Texas is to the next round. Let's go to the next round. Okay. Well, we got more orange. We got Tennessee at Ohio State. Kevin's orange. Yep.

Boom. Big fan. Here's the thing. Don't do it. I don't hate that orange as much as I hate the other two oranges. I kind of dislike the orange because, well, I live here,

and I just get annoyed. You get annoyed when the team around you wins whenever they play in the same conference that you do. Now, Ohio State, I've heard people say that maybe they should not play and they're going to. In Ohio State, because if they go three and out,

bad start, it's going to be some boo birds. Boo birds. But I do think Tennessee will be overwere by the fact that Ohio State just has bigger, better athletes. I think Ohio State's coming out with something to prove. Ohio State takes the third orange team down. Ohio State moves to the next round. Thank you.

Can't get behind that. Sorry. Well, you don't have to get behind that. I'm not asking you get behind that, actually. All right, moving over here to the other side. Now, up here we have Indiana and Notre Dame. This is not a game. What do you mean?

It's a game. They're going to play. This is not a game. Notre Dame is going to, as Acon said, smack that. Get a home. Smack that. Give me some more. And I like Indiana.

I've been rooting for Indiana all year. I think Signetti going, why don't we get a home game? It's a bit ridiculous. Like, you should have gotten the playoff. I agree. But play somebody if you're going to complain about not getting a home team. Notre Dame, we liked it for two reasons. One, because, well, they came on our show.

They did not big dog us. That's right. And I think they just, they just have more. Let's go over to SMU and Penn State. I love a game. You know what? Is this a game? This is not a game. No.

Checking. The bad thing about it is for Penn State, this is a noon game. They got to play another noon game. That sucks. It's not even a, it's not even like the big Fox noon game. It's kind of what they do, though, right? Don't they always play? Well, they're going to play this one on like TNT.

TBS. Or whatever it is. Yeah. It's impractal jokers And then this game But you're going to see Penn State Kind of walk the dog Or shall I say

Show Walk the Pony's Yes thank you Penn State who I've just semi Believed in And they've been known not to win the big game And they did not win the big game By the way against Oregon But they did play

Oroha State Yeah Again they're known not to win the game But this is only a mid game And they're going to win the game All right boom Let's go back over here Okay we're going to go here

We'll go down here first We have Texas at Arizona State. Here's the thing about Arizona State that's weird to me. There's a little too much orange in them. It's tough. I'm anti-orange. But they have a coach that's 13 years old, and that's pretty cool to me. To have a coach that's in like seventh grade, that's super cool.

Has he been on our show? No, he's not. I like him, no, I like him. Not that he's turned us down. He just hasn't been on our show, I think. Yeah, he's in school. I think he was in school. No, I think he's like 36 years old.

I think Kenny's like 36 years old. Arizona State looked really good. It's going to hurt. This is going to hurt. It's just going to hurt me more than, it's just going to hurt me more than the way than you guys. Texas is going to win this game. Arizona State with a heck of a run so far. I think this game would be closer than most people think, but I'm going to go.

And it's not in Texas, right? This is an actual bowl game. This is called the Orange Bowl 2. Is it? Orange Bowl too. It should be the Peach Bowl. It should be the Orange Bowl. The oranges.

Orange team. All right. So we got Texas over here moving on. All right. Up here on the top. upside. It's Ohio State, Oregon. This is a game. This is like the game. How did Oregon get the worst draw? I know.

They got the buy, but they got the worst draw. They're going to play Ohio State again, which they barely beat at the end of the game at home. Number one overall seed, and you get that. Yeah, that sucks. I would blame that on Ohio State, they're losing in Michigan. I was going to say that's the only reason why they're that low. Yeah. So Oregon is the best team in college football. Oh my gosh. Who are you going to pick here? Ohio State, I think, is the most talented team in college football.

The world famous Ohio State. No, the Ohio State. No, they say the world famous now. I don't know what that means. I think you're thinking of that fair back in New York in like the 1920s. The world's fair. The world's fair? Yeah, yeah.

Is that KFC? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So up here, Ohio State, Oregon, we're going with the big O-Face. Oh! Yeah. Okay, okay, we're going back to this side over here. That's Kevin's team.

West Coast team. You have too many teams. You have too many teams. All right, we got Penn State and we got Boise. It's just, it's another lion eating a pony. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Penn State eats a pony. Penn State's got a good run.

Penn State's going to eat Boise. Go Broncos. I'm not saying I don't root for them. This is not Bobby's picks of what he dreams and desires because you were the punning assistant coach at a junior high school and you got three players in the Boise team

long snapping coach Kevin one sister coach some of the Boise players we got the Nittany Lions they're going to eat more horses they're going to get in the semis could this be an upset I guess they all could

but I mean seriously I think the fact that Penn State's got to play a week before I mean there's some attrition that could be possible with the players there's always that risk of being tired or being injured sure could it

Okay, but Boise should not have gotten a buy. The rules were weird. We can't do them anymore. We just give the first four teams. Penn State goes the end. We got Georgia and Notre Dame. I think we all know. Do we?

I got one. And that's a bulldog, Georgia Bulldogs, SEC. Oof. Oh, a lot of hisses. You can't jump on that one. Me neither. A lot of hisses. That's fighting Irish, man.

Well, you guys don't have the green screen. We don't. Hey, we're sitting down. You're up there. That's right. I'm up on the screen. All right, final two here up on the old board.

We got Oregon and we got Texas. This is going to be a absolute disaster. This might be the ugliest game of the end of the semis. Texas might actually fold their football program

after this game even though it's the semis. So Oregon, spanky, spanky, championship game. Over on this side, we got Georgia and we got Penn State.

Ooh. Georgia. Okay. Of course. Of course. In the middle here. Boom. Here are the final two teams.

It's Georgia and Oregon. And now I have a heavy SEC bias. I will admit that. But. But. Come on, bones. Big fan of the show. Come on, bones.

Big fan of the show. I do occasionally text with Dan Lanning. You have everyone to play. Now, do I want to pick with my heart or my head? You want to... That's tough. I don't know. Head. Let's go head.

Which? Top head. Top head. I knew he was going there. Your answer is Georgia is second. Oregon wins. Yay!

Yes. Go Ducks. And I'm not saying that. And it sucks to pick the number one overall seat. It's such a lame thing to do. But after watching them more and more, they have 11 options every play. Dylan Gabriel's awesome.

And then here are your national championships, the Oregon Ducks, who held up my face on a sign for like four games. We can't still say what formation, what they're running there until after the season. They did on TV mention that Oregon had a special play, and I thought they were talking about yours. Mine's not a play. I can't say much more.

Mine is more of a set. Okay. It's not what they said. They didn't say set. When they say, get the boners. Everybody with a boner goes out. Oh, my goodness. I got one coach.

Yes, it doesn't matter what position. Anybody with a boner runs out and gets in. All right. There is the Bobby Bracket. Thank you very much. We will see how it does. Awesome. Well done.

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which we do breaking of memorabilia at Dorm Dudes breaks on TikTok. That's how we know each other. But we've hung out a lot. He's traveled with us. Zach's a big sports fan. And Zach loves to bet. like we do. But for fun, entertainment purposes only, right, Zach? Of course. That's right.

Yes. How freely can I talk about your bets? As freely as you want. Okay. So I would say Zach is a guy that in business, very smart, conservative but strategic, meaning he's just not throwing a bunch of money out to, so it's not like Zach is like this guy that's like I just got to throw money into gamble all the time. That's just not a thing. He likes to gamble. We all do. But none of us are like degenerative where we're just like, we must get our bets in.

So Zach's same way, like very intelligent guy. I want to talk about who knows this story in the room? I know it. I do. And it's crazy. I don't. You don't. Kevin, this is for you, this is going to be a joy.

So last week, not the week that just happened, but the last week, Zach parlayed every single game, right, in the NFL? It was every single game on. Sunday and Monday because I didn't have any of the Thanksgiving games. And how many games was that, do you know? 11. So he parlayed all 11 games. He fooled an Eddie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but listen to this.

And how did you parlay them? Did you go money line? Did you go spread or what? It was all money lines. So 11 different money lines. And now, there were a lot of upsets that weekend. So for that weekend to go money line, it wasn't like he was betting all favorites. And trust me, I've tried to do the all favorites.

That has never worked out. So you did an 11-game parlay of every team that was playing, all money lines, and how much did you bet? So I only put $15 down on it, which, you know, now I wish I would have put more, but, you know, it's easy to put my day-night quarterback, I guess. But it's 11 bets, right? Yeah. Anything other than that's a waste. A dollar is good. Yes.

And do you remember what the odds are whenever you made that bet? Yeah, it was plus 33,000. So $301 odd. Oh my gosh. I didn't even know that was a thing. I know. So say that again, it was plus $33,000. Yeah, plus $33,3,3 to one odds.

So for every dollar he bets, it's $300. He hit every game, Kevin. Oh, my goodness. Every underdog bet. Can you read us some of the underdogs that won that week where you had to take greater odds to bet? because the favorites, we get it, we probably would have bet them too. But can you walk through some of the underdogs there, Zach?

Yeah, so I had the Eagles. They were underdogs to the Ravens, which I don't know what Vegas was thinking there. I honestly was happy to take that one. And then I had the Steelers over the Bengals as well, and the Bengals were at home, so I thought that would be an easy win. And then the Seahawks. The Seahawks have been underdogs all year, and I've just been riding with the Seahawks. They've won like the last three weeks.

So I've been cashing in with the Seahawks. They were underdogs as well. Who were they playing? The Seahawks were against the Jets. The Seahawks were underdogs. They were by like one point in New York. All right. What about that Browns?

That game got pretty close at the end though, right? When you bet the Browns fan, if you had to bet the Browns, they'll lose. Yeah. And, you know, here's what I'll say. When it comes to Ohio State, I'm Ohio State fan. I'm a Browns fan. I told myself, I'm never going to bet on the Browns or Ohio State.

because if I bet for the Browns and they lose, then I'm double upset. Yeah, same. If I bet against the Browns, then I'm hoping my team's going to lose. But I made one exception this time because I wanted to pick all the games. Of all the underdogs you bet, what was the worst odds when you kind of scroll through there? Let's see. I think it was the Steelers against the Bengals, which was very surprising. He hit all 11.

So he put 15 down. and won how much money? For $15, what did you hit there, Zachie? It was $4,900. Oh, my gosh. Yes, we should apply that. $15 and you won $5,000. Now, that itself is remarkable,

especially because he did pick some underdogs as well. Now, do you mind if I continue to talk more about your betting? Yeah, go ahead. How much did you start with in this betting cycle, just in general on your account? So I started with $250 and I was scrolling through TikTok and, you know, I'm seeing all these people and it's like, oh, I'm 10 and 1 in my last 11 picks. Making money is so easy on sports betting. So I was like, let's see how easy it is.

Did you follow all those people or did you just do it yourself? No. I actually, I followed them on one bet and this was before I even tried the $250 thing. And it lost and I was like, forget this. I'm not listening to anybody else's ideas. Okay, so I started with a couple hundred bucks. And so how did you start bet? Was it your first bet to $15 into the $4,000 or the $5,000, whatever was?

No. I put it all on a three-leg parlay, three money lines, and it hit for like $1,200. Okay, so it's $200 to $1,200 now. Okay, so now you have $1,200. Go ahead. And my goal, I told all the guys at the office, I was like, I'm not pulling out any money until I get to $250,000. thousand, which is obviously very ambitious.

Yeah, very ambitious. I thought you were going to say like 10 grand. So, okay, so you're at a couple hundred. Now you're like 1,200. So then what do you do next? So I actually, that was in the early window, like the 1 o'clock games that I made that $1,200. So naturally, I turned around and bet all my money that I had in my account on the

Chiefs to cover five and a half. And this was a few weeks ago. So they covered. So then I was up to like $2,500, I think. And then I bet on the night game, and I hit on the night game. All of it? Yeah, I hit, I bet spreads all day and hit each one. So I hit the three leg parley in the early window, the Chiefs game, and the four o'clock window, and then the night game.

I hit the spread on that one, too. And then what are you at the end of the night? I think I was up to like $6,000 off of $250. So far, it's $250 to $6,000. Now, at what point do you take to $15 and try to make that money, what you did? Well, actually, that was to try and make some of my money back because I continued to bet over the next two weeks or so. And I was getting greedy. I told myself, you know, you can't get greedy because that's when you lose money.

But I ended up taking that $250,000 to $37,000 within two weeks. 37,000, Kevin. Are you listening to that? I would like to say a couple things here. What? Thing one I'd like to say. Holy shit. Yeah.

Yeah. I think we're all thinking it. thing two. Zach is not someone that's like, I got all the betting answers. Follow me. He doesn't do, he doesn't get a TikTok and tell you who to bet. So he's not here like bragging about bets. He literally, he was over at the house last, where, Thursday. Yeah, like three days ago. And like we had a break, like a three minute break. And he quietly was like, hey man, I was going to tell you about some bets on me. He wasn't like screaming it. It wasn't the first thing he said when he got to the house. He wasn't like, can I come on the show? No, it was like, I kind of have a cool story. Yeah, he was like, hey, he's like, if you get a few, if you get a few minutes, can I tell you a cool story? And I'm thinking he like ripped some like Tom Brady helmet with semen on the face mask. Oh, God. Like you can make your, you know, like, because that's what dorm dudes does.

They break a bunch of really cool stuff. And so he was like, I turned $200 into, how much 30, what was it? It was 37,000 at one point. Oh, my goodness. Now we're going to get to the other side of this, but he turned $200,000 to $37,000. Oh, no. What did you do? Well, so, before we get there, let's all say, if that were us.

Well, first of all, some of you guys don't have the nads to even play the game. Correct. You would have cashed out like little chumps, but chumps are good. $15 bet, 100%. Chumps are good. No, no, no, no. Chumps are actually smart. I say chumps because I will be a bit extra aggressive at times, and I should have been a chump.

But I live aggressive, so I'm not going to not be aggressive at times because then I'll question myself. Like, why wasn't I aggressive that time when I am I every other time? But you guys are chump. So you got to 30-something thousand. And then do you tell your girlfriend? Yeah, I did. I was like, you know, because one night, actually, how it happened, I was, we have kind of like a hangout room at the office. And I was watching the Dolphins game.

And I'd never bet a bunch of money on a single bet. But I had like, I had, I think like $17,000 in my account at this time. And I was like, I'm going to put $5,000 on the game. And if I won, I was going to win 20,000. And Tyree Kill scores a touchdown. He hasn't scored in like eight weeks. So the odds for him to score were it was like plus 200 at the time. And he scores and I just jumped up and started screaming.

And everybody's like, what's wrong with you? But I just won $20,000. Oh my gosh. I would have been screaming, peeing, pooping, vomiting. I had tears out of my eyes. Yeah, naked, everything. Completely naked. Okay, so you get to $35 or whatever that number was, $36,000.

and if it were me in the situation and I haven't been quite go from that little to that big, but I've had some success at times we're hitting some good numbers. I tend to go, there's house money anyway. Let's give it a run and try to, try to mind. And I'll cut a little off to make sure that I'm still ahead from where I started, but I get a bit too aggressive at times because I'm like, first of all, if I start up with 200, I'm going to put a thousand back. That way if I lose all this other 34,000.

Exactly. But I'm still going to hate myself once I do. But I'll put a thousand back of the 200. And then I'm going hard on 34 to try to try to. at 100 or two like Zach said. Zach and I, he's way younger than I am, but we are built in so similarly and just how we think about like business and house money and what do you do now, Zach? You're $36,000.

Well, exactly like you said, I use the house money mindset and I actually called my dad. I was talking about it. He's like, you should take $10,000 out and then bet like $27,000 on one thing to try and hit this $200. Oh, your dad's crazy. Yeah, I love your dad. I like that, though. I love your dad.

Your dad's not a chump, because that's the crap I would have done too, but I lost it for sure. That's a man who already has money saying that, because, like, me, like... But I don't think you're not right. You're not right. Zach doesn't come from money? No, I mean, but he has money now, is what I'm saying. Oh, God, I thought you're saying like, that's a rich guy. No, no, that's like...

Got it. Because a rich guy, he's starting to $200 and freaking out when he gets the $30,000. Yeah, okay. So your dad gives you that advice. Then what happens? Well, I didn't take his advice, and I just went ahead and bet almost all of it and lost $32,000 in one weekend. Hey, when comes hot, then comes cold.

This is why you become a chump, guys. Zach, how much did you end up winning overall? What did you cash out at? So I actually never cashed out. I took that $3,000, and then that's when I went into this last weekend. So I bet $300 on a four-leg parlay. I hit $2,200 off of that, and then I did the $15 to win the $5,000. So now I'm back up.

So what are you? you at now? So now I'm at once this bet cashes tonight, hopefully when the Bengals win, I'm going to be at 14,000. So you need to be on the way. So, okay, so hold on a second, all that 11 team win is over now. You got your money on that one. That was after you went from 30,000 way down. Yep. Okay. And so now, how much do you have before this bet hits tonight or doesn't hit? So I have 9,000 before this bet hits. And then you have how much? in on the Bengals? So I have

2,000 in on it. It was a two-leg parlay. The Lions, which is why I was excited when we were down there streaming at your house, and then the Bengals. And it was a two-leg parlay. Both of them are favored, but somehow the odds are plus 128 when I parlayed it together. So I'll take that any day. If the Bengals hit tonight,

that payoff will be $4,500. So I'll profit $2,500. And if the Bengals hit tonight with that $4,500 plus what you have now, total will be? 14,000. That's awesome.

I mean... Worst case scenario, he went from 209,000. So this is what I'm going to say. I'm going to give you advice now because I am much like you and I sometimes need somebody that I trust and I don't trust any of these duches. You're not bad guys. You're not bad guys. But we're duchess.

Only in like 1% of life. But you guys always... Kevin actually not that dushy when it comes to betting. I want to think he'd be the... Oh, oh, when it comes to got a guy. Yeah, yeah. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Got it. So would you mind accepting a bit of advice? Yeah, I'm happy to accept advice. If you lose the bet tonight and you're just with $9,000, okay? Take out $2,500. Take out $2,500, and that goes into your money, and you're done. And don't mess with that $2,500. If later on you want to bet again, and it's all fun thing.

But take out $2,500, and then use that $6,500, and then rebuild and have fun and do whatever. But take $2,500 out. Because you just entertain the crap out of yourself for multiple weeks and made $2,000 to $2,300. And that's what it's all about, right? Entertainment. Yes. You say entertainment. I think anxiety.

But anxiety, you shouldn't be betting if there's anxiety. That's the point of it, though. If there's crazy anxiety on what you're going to lose. My $5 bet they're entertainment and $32,000 is anxiety. Zach, how old are you? I'm 22. I want to give Zach a better, again, I want to give Zach a better props here. because Zach's been hustling, like, yard businesses.

Like, this guy's entrepreneur, like, crazy, doesn't come from much, has, like, figured out that if he puts his mind to something and learns and focuses, he may not hit every time, but he's going to hit, this is not gambling. We're talking about this is a general life. So he's not going to have anxiety if he is, if he's going to bet, he's going to make sure he doesn't have anxiety when he bets. Unless it's like fun anxiety. He's not going to bet where he's like,

my God, I can't even freaking pay my apartment. Right. And he's been very successful. Yeah. And so I'm rooting for that Bengals one tonight. We all are, Zach. Oh, no, not you, Eddie. I appreciate it.

Absolutely. I think it'd be awesome. And also, Eddie wants to count ways you get a better draft payment. That's correct. That's true. Hey, Zach, let me ask you this, though. How often are you thinking about that? 40, what is it, 48,000?

You can't think about that. I just want to ask his mind. I want to see how his mind works. I think it was 30,000. 38,000? Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the night after I lost all that money, I was thinking about it because what happened was that I didn't just put, you know, the $30,000 on one bet. It was like, I bet $10,000 and then

I did exactly what I told myself you can't do and I got greedy. And I was like, oh, I'll make it all back. So I bet $10,000 on the next game and I lost. Jason. And then I did it. I chased like crazy. So, tripled down on it. Now, you said you told your girlfriend that you won all that money. What did you tell her when you lost it, though? Well, it's funny that Bobby actually said that about the anxiety thing, because she asked me the same question. She was like, you always talk about how your job can be so stressful and you want to come home and, you know, just relax a little bit. And I'm like, well, it's fun anxiety. You know, I'm standing up on the couch, screaming at the TV. It is fun. So I launched it. I told her, I was like, it was house money, you know? I really

never had it to begin with. That's how I thought of it. It's like buying Bitcoin or stocks, unless you cash it out, it ain't even money yet. Yeah. It's just more, yeah, it's more weapons to fight the war. and sometimes the attrition happens and you lose. And I would take $2,500 out, even right this second, and not go back to it. But you're still going to have another $6,000 to keep playing even if you lose tonight. But if you win tonight, keep all that money in but the $2,500. Dude, and go hard because eventually it's probably all going to be gone anyway. But like every time I hit big, I sliver it out.

I sliver a little something out. I slivered out what I started with or like 10% more than what I started with. Because then I really can't be mad at myself because, heck, I won and got all the entertainment of like, betting. Like I had a big bet, which we talked about earlier, I bet Alabama before the college football playoff and they probably weren't going to get in. I put $2,500 on them to win the national championship to win like $50,000. And I knew that the odds are they probably weren't going to get in, but I felt like if the committee could manipulate it, they would. Turns out, a lot of stuff happened that didn't happen, you know, and Alabama didn't get in. But I'm cool with that

because I've had a really good year. I think I've probably this year been up probably $18,000 or $19,000, which isn't always the case. I've had years where I'm down. But if I can't afford it, I don't bet it. And I was like $2,500 to make $50,000, and I'm already up.

And then I hit the only bet that I told everybody last week to bet. Remember the one bet. We did the parlay, and I'm like, don't trust my parley's. The one bet, I remember. I said one bet. I said, this is the only bet that I feel super comfortable with and the odds aren't for it.

but I said what? Georgia. Not just Georgia. Money line. Georgia Money line. And, bro, I hit that for like two grand overall. So that basically paid for my Alabama bed. I like how you look at it.

You know, Zach was telling me that when he hit the 11 game parlay, the app was like, hold up. He had to call him. Investigate. Hit a column. Because the odds were so big that the app was like, hold on. We've got to look into this. Yeah, I had no idea that was even a thing. but I guess if the odds are over 300 to 1,

you have to like, it either takes like a month to cash out or you have to call it. So 300 to 1 because my on Drive Kings, I guess you can make it look like that, but I do, that would be 30,000, plus 30,000, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Because plus 300, I do all the time. I'll lose those all the time. That's three. Yeah, that's like nothing. No, no. Okay, so in conclusion, oh, you want to hear a funny story? Zach about Reed?

You know, Reed. I do. You know, read well. Oh, yeah. I love Reed. I love you, man. Reed. All right.

You know what? Everybody loves Reed. Reed is the greatest. I would, if, like, I was looking for, like, a stable man with a good heart. To marry? Looking to settle down. Yeah. Even genetically, he's, like, tall.

Genetics. Good looking kid. If I was going to have a kid with, like, Reed's awesome. A little goofy, but okay. A little goofy. I'm goofy, dude. But it's, like, weirdly athletic. And I've got a theory on him.

I think he's more athletic than we give him credit for. He's just, way out of shape. That's fair. I agree with that. And he's gotten a little soft on the body. But he's starting to like work hard and you're starting not only to see the squish go away, but you're starting to see his athleticism come through more because he has the ability to play harder and longer and work harder.

It's been awesome to see. He's been eating better. So I think, my point is I'd have a baby with Reed. Oh, got it. So that being said, I love Reed in so many ways. A little bit of push sometimes, but other than that, I was waiting for it. But he is the best. And Reed is the kindest.

And Reed was winning so much. Not at your level, but he was like making, how much were you betting on these parlayes when you first started? I spent like 200, 200 bucks on them. Two, 300 bucks in these parlays and like picking crazy odds. And he'd win like 2,000. And we're like, why'd you bet that? And he's like, I don't know. I just thought that letters look good to get.

And he was winning so much, Zach, that he called the hotline to ask. him to cut him off. Well, it's different because I had no money at the time, so I was in no place to do that. But you were winning. I was winning. It wasn't that he was losing and called the number, which we think if you have a problem, call the number. Sure.

Tell them what you did, Ray, tell him how you did it. Yeah, man. I mean, I called him up, and I was like, hey, I got a problem. I need some help. And they're probably thinking a problem. Oh, you must be an addict. You're having a problem. You're telling your wife that you've lost your money.

And then you said what? Yeah, and then I just told him, can you lock my account? And they were like, yeah, sure. And so I went in, and it was just like a reset your password thing. It wasn't really locked out. So I called them back. I was like, hey, it's still not really locked. You tried to reset your password and got back in?

Yeah, I was testing it. I was testing it. I was like, it's not really locked. And so they're like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, we'll make sure now. And so now it is suspended. So I would have to call them to unlock it. He locked his account because he was winning too much and was afraid of all the winning. That's so smart.

Tell me that's not the kind of guy you want to marry and have a baby with. Yeah, Zach is awesome. Okay, we're going to be rooting for you tonight, and we're going to be rooting for the Bengals. I might put a dollar on it now. But the Bengals are probably a favorite though by themselves, right? They are. Yeah.

Is it in Dallas, though? It is in Dallas, and we don't win in Dallas, so. That's true. Let me look real quick. I want to like Drive Kings. We haven't won in Dallas. You guys win? I got them at minus 230.

Yeah, so that's a pretty big favorite. I mean, do I want to ride with him? Yeah, dude, run with him. But it's minus 2.30, so it's not like I'm going to get much for it. Do it like he does. Put that 2,500 on there. Well, I can go the Bengals minus 5. But you went money line, right? Because I don't want to not win if you don't win. I win. I got him.

I went to the money on me. I got them at minus 225. So let's say I put, that's not enough. Hey. I mean, I think the Bengals are one of the best four and eight teams I've ever seen. Well, they have no defense. I mean, they score 100. hundred points, but they can't, they can't stop anybody.

Well, I agree. But, I mean, not to crap on Eddie's Cowboys, but, you know, they're playing a backup quarterback, you know. Cooper Rush, though, man. Have you heard of him? Yeah, I've heard of him. Oh, God. Okay, exactly.

You know, he's solid for backup. Okay. I'm going to put. Oh, this is awesome. See, the inside of your brain is awesome. It's really good. The problem is, it's just like the, it's minus 225. Yeah.

What's the problem? So you've got to put a good amount of money on there. Just to make anything. And then the Cowboys have been winning, and I've kind of been rooting for the Cowboys lately just because... Oh, you do have a bet. A Super Bowl. That one's possible.

Mathematically possible. Okay. I'm going to go... I'm going to put $3,000 on them. Woo! I'm talking about it. You like that? But I'm only going to win 40.

But it's only a $1,300 profit. Only meaning per the 3. That's all right. I'm in. Hold on, let me make the bet here. Throw a little Jamar Chase 10 yards in the first quarter, and then you'll be at like even odds. Dang. Together.

So you guys play? If you want to. This is not financial advice. Betting advice with Zach. I feel like then the first quarter, if it loses, then you just are sad the rest of the game. That's true. That is the downside. I'm going to go with what I do.

I'm going to bet $3,000. That was like the guy that bet $3,000. Dude, almost lost it with a freaking panthers for $400,000? Yeah. And Bryce Young made a perfect throw. I know. Okay, let's see. I bet,

let's see if it's going to let me do it. Okay, boom. All right, I'm in. I'll send you guys the bet slip. There you go. You got a roll dog now, Zach. I just want to, I just want to rival my guy, you know?

Okay, so I bet $3,000 to win 43,000, and I'm also going to say this. Let me save my image here. that if the Bengals go down early I'm probably going to jump on it even more when I have better odds Yeah Because if I

Okay let's see Boom hold on done Save boom All right What's funny too is you guys don't cash out right Like ever No no I don't

If I'm playing and I win a lot I will sliver me So if I lose it all I still had a profit No I'm talking about the cash out option During the while the bet's still alive Oh, almost, almost never. Yeah, I use that.

No, I've honestly never cashed out. Yeah. And I have, so I can't say never, but almost never, the only time I'll cash out is if I don't feel, if I'm seven games in and eight game parlay and I bet like 10 bucks or whatever, and I'm tired and don't want to watch the game. And I don't want to like not be able to fall asleep and keep checking it. And I'm just like, I'm just going to cash out and take the extra.

That makes sense. Or like Arkansas. Like they were, Arkansas played UTSA this past weekend. And it was like, Arkansas was down. like four at the half and I was like oh we're gonna drill them and it was Arkansas minus seven and so I put like a thousand bucks on Arkansas minus seven at the half in the live game we got beat them by 15 and we were up by 12 and I had to go into like a meeting and I'm like I'm not gonna stick around and watch so I save myself like 80 bucks just to not worry about the stress of

yeah so I'll cash out like that I mean sometimes really it goes to like two dollars like why would I cash out it's just two dollar difference well I would cash out no no I do cash out because the two dollar difference right versus the two dollars all right Zach, buddy, let's go. I'm riding with you, man. Go bangles. Let's go, go bangles. That's super cool story, huh? That's amazing, dude. I've already told my wife that story. You guys, I go and check out dorm dudes breaks. They come over to the house and Eddie and I just break stuff. That's so much fun. Break stuff like it's in like memorabilia. Like limb biscuit? Yeah. Yeah. Move in. Now move out. Hands up, their hands down.

I did hit, and Zach, you can verify this when you're at my house and we're doing breaks and I'm in. I spend my own money. He does. Yeah, it's not like Zach's like I'm, I'm there pushing, spending my own, which is why I don't, you know, there's a lot of times I don't win. But I hit a Roger Stalback, Dallas Cowboys helmet. Nice. I think he had a Christian Watson, Packers, Jersey. Yeah. Solid.

I had a couple other, oh, I had a, another helmet. I had a, um, a college helmet from somebody. Oh, Ohio State. Can't, uh, Cam Hayward? Yes. Cam Hayward helmet. Um, it's good. Check out dorm dudes breaks. I love them. I'm obsessed with I've been on forever. And that's it. All right, Zach, good to talk to you, buddy. And we will, dude, let's go bangles.

I'll be texting you tonight. That's right. I'll be texting you tonight. I'll be texting you tonight. All right, buddy. Thank you, guys. See you, Zach. See you, Zach.

A couple things. Bill Belichick interviewed for the North Carolina job, which is hilarious. Random. Yeah. I saw the guys and I got to give Fox a bunch of credit because witty as crap, like clever as crap. They had

Gronk, Brady, and Edelman. They sit on a panel and they call them the Fox Bros. Oh, Foxborough. Nice.

That is. That's pretty good. I couldn't stop thinking about it because it's like Fox they put a dot and it says, bro. And so they're up on a panel at Fox and like

one of the other guys asking them questions. And I was like, more than the Belichick talk they were doing, I was like, whoever thought of that, give them a raise.

Yeah. The Fox Bros. Foxboro. Yeah. And they're on Fox. Pretty good. That's crazy. That's good.

But Brady was like, no way. You're going to see him recruiting. You're going to get an 18-year-old's couch. That's a lot of work. I thought it was fun. I thought that Bellich. What do you think about that? They said it was heating up.

Did you see, though, our guy, Sumerall at Tulane, they were kind of going, hey, we hear you up for the North Carolina job. Oh. And I kind of like how he handled it. He was like, dude, right now, like, we're doing this. But everybody's like trying to, like, find their way. Like, no, I'm not going to North Carolina. right now, maybe never, who knows? I liked it. He was just like,

we're all trying to, like, grow and do new things. So I'm not ever going to say no. I was like, that's about the most legit answer you give while still not giving an answer. Political answer? It was a little grittier than the normal where he's like, I'm here right now, I'm the coach of this team. Because that's kind of the answer you give in that situation.

But he was like, I don't even talk about that right now. I goes, look, we're all trying to grow and get better. And, you know, but right now this is it. We're here, we're doing this, I got a bowl game. But who knows? I liked it. I liked that guy. Maybe he just came on the show. But he also knew the show. Maybe I like him more. He knew the show.

Where dabbo, thumbs down. Who's that? Exactly. Don't know him. I want a big time us like 10 times in a row. That's the news. I didn't wait until the end of the show to do this for nothing. I did it because I wanted to give it a second.

But our guy here kickoff Kevin got engaged. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you, boys. Congratulations, Kevin. Thank you. Are you ready? How to go?

It went great. When everything went as planned, had her parents involved at her family's house out there in Alabama. I was a little nervous for sure that you know, you plan all this. I hired a photographer for all that. And it all went smooth. All went well. The only thing that didn't go well was my dog eating all the rose. The flower petals?

Yeah. And then 30 minutes later, he was throwing it all up. But other than that, we're all good. He's a dog. That's what he's going to do. do. She loved it. She loves the ring. She was crying. It was awesome. Hi, I hit Kevin up. I was like, hey, congrats. And then on the group chat, I said, hey, what was the parlay? Because I actually forgot. And I was like, well, it's going to take this to hit for Kevin to have a good marriage.

The first two hit, but then I forgot, I told everybody to cash out. So your marriage is good. You're safe. Oh, yeah, we're doomed. But since I told everybody to cash out, you're good. Yeah, oh, I cashed out. We're good. Good. It's going to be a long one. I thought that the first two years are good within. Did you bet parlay? No. Okay. No, because, oh, yeah, no. I got. I wasn't. Yeah. I know what you're saying. He wasn't in a place where he could bet it. Got it.

Got it. Meaning you just weren't in a state where it was able to be. Why are you acting all weird? I don't know. I'm not acting weird, man. Why are you acting weird? What are you talking about? Because when the shit...

Oh my God. Sometimes you guys are weird for no reason and sometimes... Because during the break, I was about to say something, but you guys were like, don't know what to say. I know, but there's a different... It doesn't matter, dude. That's on me. I should train you better.

You should. Jedi training. I do want to go to this kid Oh yeah, this is the kid you tease way early in the show There's cursing in this everybody And it's probably gonna even put up the explicit On the podcast But I flip it through TikTok

And this guy that is a TikTok football He's probably like 30 and he plays Matt Plays NCAA football And he just plays people and you know The top half screens him with his headset on The bottom half screens him playing But he's playing this kid Who is 12 years old

and the streamer's king caruso the adult but he's playing this kid who's 12 guys I could not stop laughing hit it Mike thank you bitch mid boy that shit struck the fuck up bitch fuck you little bitch this is a grown man's game

aggressive aggressive backshots on Josh on fuck you bitch I fucking own you it's raw dog in here we're raw in here bitch we're raw huh huh bitch so it is madden

not NCAA. And you don't hear the adult because he's just sitting there like, what's happening? He's in shock. There's more if you want. Here's King Crusoe. He got so annoyed.

The King Crusoe's the adult. Got so annoyed with him. He started telling him, well, you can hear it. Shut your little ass up, Gavin. You're not even old enough to watch a PG-13 movie. Show you a little ass off. Stand up close his fake, bitch.

San close his face. Oh, my God. I don't get fuck. I don't get fuck. Santa's false. He's dead. I know. I know.

I don't get here. Fuck Santa. Fuck Santa. Oh my. I watched it. I watched two and a half minutes. The video cannot stop laughing. My wife's like, what are you laughing at?

I was like a 12-year-old cursing an adult. She goes, oh, I'll watch a kid do that to you on NBA once. I was like, that's right. I don't know. So sorry, we don't normally put the cussing stuff in, but I thought if it was beeped, it would not have the same effect. You wouldn't be able to play it.

No, you wouldn't. And then finally, NFL review, we can give our thoughts. You know, there were some good game Overall, C-minus week Yeah I mean, there were some good, there were some who cares Even the games that were good, like the dolphins and jets

It was like, it ended up being a pretty interesting game at the end But like, who cares? No offense case. That's right. We lost, so that was great in this one. I mean, the Chiefs game was kind of crazy. I fell asleep. I didn't see the don't. The Bill's Rams game was probably the best. Yes, yes. Superman, Josh Allen. We'll roll through them real quick.

Dolphins and Jets, Dolphins 32, Jets, 26. two in the Dolphins come back at overtime for the win. At times, Aaron Rogers looked really good. Yeah, Garrett Wilson and Devante did their thing. Thank God they did not trade Garrett Wilson whenever it was like. Devante's coming. Thank God. We need him for the long run. You can start to see flashes now when he has somebody on the other side of him

and somebody who can get the ball to him. Like he's legit. Yeah, he's great. Yeah. So, Dolphins win. Keeps him in the playoff hunt a bit. They're one game under, I think. Right, right.

That Bengals loss was not good for them I think it was last week, right? And they needed to win that one. Packers. Oh, Packers is what it was. Packers, yeah, thank you. But they look pretty good. And Tyreek, I did see a stat before the game.

He's had more babies this year than he has touchdown passes. Oh, my God. I still got a waste to go. Guys, that's a me. He had five babies and had four touchdown passes, but then he did catch at least one touchdown passes. He did get one in this game, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Tyreek. Vikings' Fathers. Falcons, Vikings 42, Falcons 21. The game was a little closer than the score indicates, but I'll tell you what, Sam Darnold, five touchdowns. Yeah. He's awesome. Jaden Daniels was on a buy on one of my fantasy teams,

so I just picked up Darnell for fun. I did too. Got like 50 points. Awesome, man. That's great. He smoked me, dude. Let me tell you, I had, not Bryce Young, I had Bree, I'm getting my breezes.

Breeze Hall. At Breeze Hall. and it had Seattle running back Kenneth Walker. Kenneth Walker both. I picked up Sharbonnet, thank God, yeah. Going into, and Charbonnet was not available, going into my final week that I needed to get in the playoffs, they both were out.

I had CJ Stroud as my quarterback, and Nico Collins, my wide receiver. My whole team was out. Yeah, it was tough week. Not even that. I had my two best running backs get hurt and called out right before the game. So it wasn't even the buys, so I lost.

It was terrible. You had like 40 points. Defending champion. Lost it. I saw you drop, Cortland Sutton, too, in the moment. I had to, because everybody was on buy. And if I made it, I couldn't have all my bye guys not be there next week.

So I had to drop a good player in order to pick up the freaking bears running back. I was like, oh no. I was like, oh, no, yeah. Bone started drinking. He dropped Cortland Sutton. What's going on? No. So stupid.

You know, I started at quarterback was Cooper Rush. I had nothing. No. I had nothing. Still time. It doesn't matter. There's not. You might come back with Cooper.

I'm not. I'm down like 80. Okay. Yeah, it's over. Never know. Okay, Eagles and Panthers. Hey, that guy that bet $3 million, his butt was puckered. Dude, Bryce Young is...

He had Legget on that one pass right at the end. There were times he was fourth down in the end zone and, like, he was, he's good. Yeah. I'm not going to go great yet, but he's good. He plays on a bad team. But he's good, like he's that dude. Okay, cool. Steelers Browns.

Not much of a game. Steelers went again. Not much of a game. I did see James still like a pick six into a screen. Is that a pick six or just interception? I did James still really good with the end of the game to Injoku. But James ain't the guy, but he's a fun guy to have when you don't have a guy. Buck's Raiders, Baker, through two touchdowns at the very beginning of the game, is never really a game.

I did see that Brock Bauer sets the rookie record for receptions, which is pretty cool. And there's a bunch of games left. He's dominating. Seahawks Cardinals. Who cares? Who cares? The Cardinals, not good. I don't get it.

Rams bills Yeah that's a big one I don't get it You don't get what The Cardinals can't win games Oh yeah we moved on Rams bills Yeah yeah yeah

Anything you gonna say about that? No I get that I get the I mean That was a great game Yeah I mean but what I don't understand though is one week The Rams can't connect

Like with a receiver Like Stafford can't connect With Puka Pooka was crazy He was yeah he went off This game he went off This game he went off And then this game

They just look Unstoppable That's NFL for you man Any given Sunday, dude, that's what they say. Is it like a fake punt or something early on? I didn't see that. In that game? Yeah.

There's something because they were like, look it. It doesn't matter. Two games left. 49ers, whoop the bears. Did, again, I was watching that one on the old. Red zone? Yep. And so did Bra?

They didn't go to him a lot. Right. Did Purdy get hurt again? He'd go down? Or was it just when they were just showing him down once worried about him? Because it was just like a, we're showing every touchdown. And then your boy from Arkansas came in, right? Brandon now, time out, Brandon now?

Yeah, he started last week. Yeah. But no, I think he could go back in. Okay, nine to beat the Bears. And then the Chiefs beat the Chargers on the dink end. The Philgo. Yeah, of course. Doink.

Crazy. I had bet, I bet Chief's last minute. I did a Zach on that, and it was like minus two and a half. And I'm like, oh, gosh, it's such a mistake. Because either way, if they did a field goal or if the Chargers scored a touchdown and they came back and scored a touchdown, it would be a two-point spread. So I don't even know. why I did it, but man, I would have been so, I put all in. I had 150 bucks on that. Doink. Saved me. You got it. Got it. Nice job. Thank you guys for being here. Let's go Bengals tonight.

Yep. For Zach's sake. Well, I mean, I also put $3,000. And you, you and Zach. But only one in like $1,400. I was just rolling on my dude. I know. I don't know why I get caught up in that crap. You want to support. You want to support people. But I don't feel the need to bet. Like, I never have a, like, I go out of bed on something. I don't have that it. I like to bet for fun because if I was betting for an itch I'd be betting a $20,000 to bet. If it was like, I got to make me feel something. It's fun, but I just wanted to ride with my boy. But then I'm like, why did I do that?

Just do the bit. Are you doing basketball bets yet? Nah. Not yet. I didn't even really do any NFL bets yesterday. That's good. If you don't feel it, why bet? I don't.

I didn't do a single NFL bet. I'm not like that. I bet the Georgia game. Bet the parlay, but didn't cash out. I forgot to catch out. because I forgot we said that. I... Alabama, but I bet that like two weeks ago.

Man, I'll tell you what's cool about being at a football game, like going to the Titans game and betting, that it's so delayed. Like, me and my kids counted like about a 30-second delay on like whatever happened on the field versus where everything kind of counted. Fantasy counted. Scores counted.

And like, so that was a lot of fun betting live at the game. College games, not until next weekend, not this weekend coming up, but next weekend. Yeah. And Army won again? 11.1. Should have been in the playoffs. 12 and 1.

Except they got run by Notre Dame. Like run hard by Notre Dame. Run hard. But if they win this weekend, they're going to be 13 and 1, not in the playoffs. That's crazy. And if they got run hard by Notre Dame, it definitely would have been a thing.

Poor guys. Love America, though. That's it. Thank you, guys. We will see you later on this week. Bye, buddy. Thank you. Theme song written by Bobby Bones.

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