The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Brady vs Mahomes Sparks Heated Debate + A Conspiracy Theory About Eddies Broken Arm

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

With Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs in the AFC Championship again, Bobby says he thinks the flopping and penalties Mahomes draws from the refs is because Tom Brady started it years ago, and Kickoff Kevin gets heated when defending his Patriots. Plus, Eddie broke his arm over the weekend after conveniently finding out the guys would have to compete in a lifting competition for the last Super Bowl ticket.   Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App today: https://dkng.co/bobbysports   If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA).   21+ (18+ WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/ NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in NH/OR/ON. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details.     Follow the Show: @BobbyBonesSports   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we'll get to a conspiracy theory about that in a second. Oh, there's a theory about that. There's a lot of theories about your arm. I do want to talk first about cold weather football, where there's a difference in what looks miserable to play in and what looks fun to play in. If there's a lot of snow, it looks fun. Right. Oh, yeah.

If there's a lot of snow and it's like two degrees, it's like, yeah, but it's snow. It's amazing. If there's like ice and like a little bit of snow, but you see them breathing through their helmets, it looks freaking awful. Yeah. Painful. More for the coaches, I feel like the players, they get to move around a little bit. But every time they show the head coach, it was just there in a jacket and has no heater around them. That looks miserable.

See, I would disagree because you got to catch the ball, which hurts. You have to hit the ground, which hurts. Like, and having played a decent amount of, again, not NFL, but cold weather high school football games, it sucks. It sucks when it's cold. And this isn't even in Buffalo, New York. This isn't even in Philadelphia. It sucks so bad. And I would just rather it snow, because at least maybe your brain's like, it's Christmas.

Oh, God. Maybe your brain, because it looked miserable. The first part of that game, just the Rams Eagles game. Yeah. Because at the end of that game, it started to snow a bit. Then it looked fun. Then it was like Christmas. Yay!

It was just like cold and winter and miserable the whole game. And it felt terrible for them. It was a great game. We had great games. The only game that wasn't like a great game but was still fun was the commander's winning. Shout out of Eddie, I think you predicted that. Yeah, it was pretty crazy, dude.

But that game looked so cold in Philly. The Rams and Eagles played. And it just looked like every hit hurt extra. it was impossible to catch the ball. And at the end, when it did start to snow, they definitely had to switch up how they played offense. They couldn't throw the ball really. Stafford did an okay job.

It was only whenever he started to run no huddle that they could move the ball. Great game. It was awesome. And then watching the guys run the routes, you could see they took like five steps just to be able to stop and then go. And like the defensive backs, they couldn't really plant and cut.

So Eagles win that. That's cool. I was really rooting for the Rams. Eagles are probably a better team if they make the Super Bowl It's probably a little bit... But the story for L.A., just imagine if they could have won

to make it to the Super Bowl with the fires. Oh, yeah. Like, if the NFL was fixed, I think the L.A. I think the L.A. would have won the game. Like, if it was fixed, I think L.A. would have won the game

and it's not... Because it was close enough they could have fixed it. Now, if it's like a 30-point lead, you can't fix those games. I think if it was fixable and the NFL wanted to do that, which I don't think they do, they would have fixed that game for that wonderful story of here's Los Angeles representing its people.

It was very much Drew Brees in the Katrina Super Bowl. It's very much that. Patriots 01. Patriots. But yes, but that's just a name. 9-11 happened in New York City. I think you being a Patriots fan. No, no, no, no, no.

Like come together community, underdog story. That would have been the giants. It would have been the giants. It would have been the giants. You can't have that. Just because your name's a Patriots. There's nothing more patriot than America named Patriot. I'm not going to give you that one.

Okay. I think they found that because they got there. But the real story would have been the Giants or the Jets, a New York team. I don't think the Jets made the playoffs that year if they did. They didn't move very far. But being able to wear the NYPD, you know, NYFD has. That World Series with the Yankees and the Diamondbacks, I feel like was like the 9-11, you know, series. Stop it with the Patriots.

I'm just saying. No, you're saying you're a Patriots fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That too, that's part of it for sure. But, I mean, I think Patriots, America, Patriot, Patriot, Patriotic. I mean, they are red, wet, and blue. Exactly. Guys, stop.

Thank you. It was a great junior varsity version of that. I'll take it. Not the main. I'll take it. Eagles won that game, that was good. Bills and Ravens, that game looked. Great game.

Cold as crap, too. Yeah. And what I wanted to actually talk about in this game is Eddie wanting to just blame it on a player. Yeah. I think the whole game, oh man, it's hard to do that. It really is like I'm not the time of person to scream at the TV and blame it on a player, but Mark Andrews completely ruined that game. Dang, dude, that's mean, bro. And not that he probably knows it. And I'm not saying anything that like, you know, it's like, what? What a surprise. He probably knows it. He turned the ball over at a very pivotal time. And then the two-point conversion that could have tied the game up, it was a dime. The internet definitely agrees with you. First of all, it wasn't a dime. No. It wasn't a dime. No.

It wasn't a dime. He should have caught it, but it wasn't a dime. And he was like falling backward. But Lamar threw a pick. Lamar fumbled the ball too. Bad. Bad. Yeah.

Does snowy do? It's snowy. Same thing with Andrews. I don't know. I just felt like, gosh, those two moments in Andrews, like what he did is what turned that game around. What sucked was that they're two, two of their three most consistent players. did not play well. Yeah.

Lamar Jackson did a bad interception. Yeah. And then a bad fumble too. Midfield. And so it was a bad first half for Lamar. Imagine that they were to score those. They wouldn't even have to worry about that at the end. Right, right, right.

Yes, were they critical. That fumble, though, just compared to Lamar's. I would take those to the Lamar fumble and the market. They're even after that one. So not that. But the two-point conversion, though? The two-point conversion was tough. I'm not going to lie.

But you can't pin that on him as the guy that lost the game. How about not giving the ball to Derek Henry On both two point conversions And What happened on the first one? They tried to throw it I know that they didn't get it I was just trying to think of what happened

I remember the second one obviously with Mark Andrews But I can't remember I know that they didn't get it Yeah I think they tried to throw it But they definitely didn't try to throw it So there are a lot of things You could have should or woulda Yeah

I'm never really a believer in one play causing an entire game But I can go four plays Those two by Lamar on those two by Mark Andrews. Okay, yeah, that's fair enough. It's just tough, man. But same thing with the Texans.

Like, it's these plays that lose your games. The Mark Andrews one was tough, though, because it was just the last play. But it wasn't a dime. And there was also 90 seconds left, so the bills could probably... Oh, for sure. Two-timeouts.

There was a minute 28 left and two time-outs. I feel like people are forgetting about that. Yeah. With a minute 28 and two timeouts left, imagine that's the case, and they said, well, here's $100. Do you bet,

the minute 28 and two timeouts that the bills will kick a field goal at least to win the game. Everybody bets that. The answer is yes. It was in his hands, man. And I don't even like Mark. He's fine. I don't dislike him.

But he's like an Oklahoma guy. I was just going to say, don't really have any love to our Oklahoma. But he is like a pivotal part of that franchise the last decade. Yes. Yeah. Super consistent. It's not like some backup tight end and has been a nobody kind of cast around guy. So I feel bad for him.

I feel bad for him, too, more than bad Adam. No, you want to. He wanted to blame him. And he was like, Mark Andrews lost the whole game. Because now we call that the Mark Andrews game, right? It'll forever go down as that. Which Lamar is, what, three and five in the playoffs? I believe it's his record.

I don't think that he gets the pass, though. Because, again, does he not throw that interception? They just chunked. Does he not fumble at midfield? They possibly are not in that situation to begin with. Right, they were in the hole from the beginning. They had to claw their way back. And you don't have to go for two every time.

If you get one field go out of that. So a lot of small decisions A lot of things go into it But God, that was the one that stuck out That one was tough That was very good game That was tough I did hit both of those games

As far as point spread I was gonna yell on back baby fully I'm only back mostly Because I had Notre Dame Plus 8 and a half last night That final field goal kicked me right in the nuts Idaho State minus 8 now You did see what you needed a field goal

Yeah ended up being a pretty good game though And we can come back to that It was ugly for a long time but it ended up I had to turn it on a watch like I had to care again because

when they missed a field goal I was like well that's it and then they stopped if there was a fumble the announcer goes you know Freeman says they need to get a turnover boom turnover immediately you're not crazy

and he was saying like I think Ohio State's only fumbled four times all year bumble right away first play so it ended it's fixed the script

the second quarter and third quarter kind of sucked Oh, yeah. But the first part of the first quarter, that drive, Notre Dame, when he ran, I think he had nine carries in the first drive. They said he threw up after that drive. Dude, he looked dead. On the run before that last quarterback sneak,

he laid there for an extra second and was like, ugh. I'm like, you're killing him before the game even starts. So that was exciting. And then when they came back and made it a one possession game after the fumble, that was exciting. And then that field goal, those first downs just melted them. Did you think that they had a chance at the end? You really think that Notre Dame could win this game?

I thought I need Notre Dame to not allow them to kick a bill dog. That's what I was thinking too. I wanted Notre Dame to win because it's like the Yankees just won the World Series. Like you spend the most money. You know what? You're probably going to win. More times than not, you should win. Except the Yankees don't.

Yeah, if you're strategic about the money you're spending, and it's been said 100 times, they have a $20 million roster. So they should, so I was not rooting for them to win because of that. but I don't really care about either team. I felt bad for 29 the corner for Notre Dame on that last play, the third and ten. They left them one-on-one with Smith. I was like, oh, gosh.

And they were doing that so they could stop the run, obviously. And Will Howard saw it. And just chunked it. Yeah, we could have completed that. And that's ball game. That's ball game. Back to the NFL. The commanders and lions was interesting in a couple of places for me.

When Teddy Bridgewater went in, I was like, let's go. It was awesome. He coach in high school. Now he's back in. They ran that end around to James and Williams. And I was like, okay, we got us a game here. Now we're back in it. That's pretty cool.

Although I had James and Williams at 70 yards receiving, which he did not get. And I was like, please God, let him count that as like a shovel pass. They didn't. But the commanders just owned that game. I mean, Jane Daniels was awesome. He had some throws. I know. It's like, because he's a rookie, I keep waiting for him to rookie. It's weird. It looks like nothing phases him. Dude, no sign of it. Even like the excitement, he's still the same.

No sign of it. Just goes out and does a thing. Like, I thought Jared Goff played maybe the worst. I've seen him play this year. Yeah. Yeah. The Jared Goff game. That's a bad. Mark Andrews game? Jared Goff games. And so you feel bad when a guy has a great season. Also runs into the commanders playing one of their best offensive games, but the Lions defense is so depleted. And it all just rode that singular wave of the Lions have no defense, the commander's offense, and Jane Daniels is awesome. And then Jared Goff had a bad game, and that just...

What did you think about the trick play that basically sealed the game? You're talking about the double pass? What quarter was that in? The fourth, yeah. Was it? They were down 10 driving and that was it. I thought to myself, don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it. And then I go, well, if I'm in that situation and I don't ever get to throw it, I'm throwing it.

It's not Jameson's fault. Right. Yeah. That's what I thought about it. It wasn't like bad call. It wasn't because what do I know? Yeah. But I thought he was so covered.

Yeah. That I would like to think I wouldn't have thrown it or thrown it at a balance. But then I thought if I never get to throw it and you're giving me, I'm throwing it. Yeah. So, yeah, I understood. We call it that James Williams game. Texas and Chiefs. I saw a stat, and I wish I had screenshot it,

but a lot of people are busting the Chiefs and the Riffs and Mahomes' balls because it's like, he gets all the breaks. Oh, the personal fouls. Rough and the passer. Yeah, and a couple of times that happened. And the stat was the Chiefs over the season, and I think they did the last three years, because it was the last two seasons where they won the Super Bowl,

they actually get less penalties than the other teams. But what happens is, my theory, is that if you give the chiefs an opportunity, an extra opportunity, they take advantage of it every single time. And did Mahomes flop on that play out of balance where he felt, yeah, of course. But I'm also not above that. It's part of his game. I'm also not above it.

And when it doesn't work, it looks lame. But it probably works a lot of times that we don't even know that looks like a real penalty. But it was that the chiefs don't actually get more penalties called on their behalf. So I think what it is is they're so good. If you give them just an extra inch, they're going to exploit anything they shouldn't have and get another first down or a touchdown out of it.

And that's basically what happened here too. The one play where he was kind of hitting the chest and his face mask, that personal foul, I can definitely see where the ref called that. It looked like he was hit in the head. Because his head popped back. Upon further review, it did look like he got hit in the chest and then in the face mask, but they have to protect the quarterbacks. I didn't feel like Mahomes did anything in that situation.

That slide where the two guys hit above him, that was not a personal foul. However, bang, bang, maybe it looks like that, but Mahomes slides so late. He doesn't on purpose. Yeah, he lures these guys in. It's brilliant. It's, oh, you're a hater. Patriots.

No, I hate him. He doesn't want to see it happen. I can't. I can't, it's like watching James Hardin. It's like watching all these guys where you're like, this isn't even fun. Here's the difference. Hardin's never won a championship. I mean, I get that, but. But taking that three bones, when you jump into them, like, it's, it is cheap.

It's hard to watch. It's strategic. And again, I'll say it again, they have less penalties called on their behalf than the other teams. So what you're seeing is that happened and then them capitalize off of it. And then you cry your little New England Patriots to you. Because you're the dynasty. And once this happens, you just got trumped. I do feel Brady would do.

the same thing. No. Brady, no, because you'd go down without getting touched. You would go down without getting touched. Here's the difference.

I can show you a highlight reel of Brady's helmet getting knocked off with nose. We want to show stuff. Look, this is what I want to say about Brady. He cried all the time. People would have a different complaint

but a same complaint. Like Brady cries and gets every call. I was all for it. Any advantage you can get get it if you're not cheating. Mahomes isn't cheating. There's nothing he's doing. He's not putting pine tall

on the ball, in the bad. He's not taking, he's doing nothing. They may have to change rules because of it. He slows up. We need to review these then. We need to review them. Yeah, exactly. I'm okay with that, but the problem with reviewing a lot of these five-hour game. Oh, I don't care about that. Oh, you don't?

Nah. Because they're getting pretty quick at that now. I was just saying you can do it pretty quick. Yeah, and they have upstairs as well. Sometimes it is such a judgment call that most of them are just going to be upheld because it was called on the field. It's so close. You may get the occasional, but how are you going to call it when Mahomes is slowing down going out of balance so he gets hit? What are you going to call? Slowing? But then you have guys like

you got Jared Goff on that pickshakes got absolutely annihilated. We're not talking about Jared golf. I'm just saying you're comparatively. No, we're not comparing. Because Brady did not get the comparisons. If you brought up Brady, I'd like to use him in this argument. Tom Brady cried more than any player I've ever seen. You don't get a penalty for crying though. No, but you get breaks. You get the refs protecting their boy. Gosh, that would be cool though. Crying, number 12. You don't think they protected Tom Brady more than any other court of them. No, let's not beat stupid.

Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers. The superstars. What's the theme? Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Yeah, some of them are. No, no, everyone you just mentioned won a Super Bowl. Yeah, it's been like 15 years for Rogers. Justin Herbert died every single time.

Until Jalen Hurts, he had a bad one the other day, didn't get called. He's not a superstar yet. He's been to a Super Bowl, doesn't won one yet. It's like the Ohio State Buccas, you gotta get a helmet thing on your head. I don't think I would go as hard on you except you're so a Brady guy. And I'm not. It's just hard to watch. It's hard to watch.

And that's what we said about Brady. He cries every, and anytime anybody touches him flag. I remember that. But he falls before he even gets touched. That would piss me off. Hmm. He would get rough. Yes.

No. Just leave it, dude. No. If you don't think Mahomes is getting the Brady treatment, you have never, you have Patriot-Coled glasses on. Yep. Okay. Did you ever see Brady flop when he barely got touched on the sideline?

They have different annoying traits. As a grown man, I don't even know how you can watch that back of yourself with Patrick Mones and be like, man, watch another grown man and cry the whole time. I look like a little baby. I think both. I will stand on this hill and die forever. You're dead. You're already dead.

Because both of them are given the gifts of being the NFL's most super of superstars. And you must protect the most super of superstars just because of the money. involved. And if you don't think Brady had such preferential, beneficial treatment because of what he deserved, all of his championships, you're out of your mind. You are out of your mind. Is that Donald Trump? Sounds like it. Thank you. I was trying a little bit. Anyway, that's all. But I also think it's hilarious.

I hate it. Because I'm not for flopping. So when he fell over the sidelines, I was like, yeah, that didn't look very good. Honestly, his little fingers after a play, like That annoys me more than anything else he does. If the chiefs had to put the chiefs in a vacuum and there's never been an NFL season ever, and this is the only NFL season ever and you're watching the Chiefs, you're not annoyed by them. You're annoyed by them because they win all the time.

Nothing about that team is annoying. And there's nothing to dislike. There are no cheating. They haven't sent cameras in watching other people's practice as Patriots. There's no deflategate. A deflate gate? You really think that's a real thing. Yeah.

It doesn't matter. I need someone on the inside. I knew someone on the inside. He said the ball was like a sponge. They spent more time on Deflategate than they did with anything else in the NFL. I think the play gate was stupid, but I'm saying it changed people's perceptions of the team. Yeah, the NFL came after the Patriots where the NFL loves the Chiefs. Right now?

Yeah, loves the Chiefs. I want to see a camera on guys like Taylor Swift when there's a bad play. You're missing the point. What I'm saying is there's nothing to dislike about the Chiefs. Yeah, I dislike a lot of things. Yes, because you're a Patriots fan. Maybe. I know a lot of people.

Ravens fans I mean yeah you're right I don't hate the Chiefs I can't say I'm watching Kelsey why can't you stand watching Kelsey I think he's a baby okay he is I am not a Kelsey super fan

my only point is you have such hatred toward them because you're a Patriots fan you do not want them if they win the Super Bowl they are now but there's other teams like hey hey let me finish my sentence

I never hated the Warriors okay but they're not fighting your Patriots and Boston but they beat the Celtics in the finals and I wasn't even that mad Doesn't matter. Boston won one.

Last year? Wait, what? Yeah, they won last year. You're not talking about, you're scared. They will go down as the greatest dynasty ever, which is way different, because that's what you hold your hat onto. That's way different than a... It's a mix.

I don't want to fight with you anymore. It's just funny that when the Patriots are winning, you're like, oh, yeah, what's wrong with us? We're great fans. We're not annoying. But now you see the other side of it, you're not winning. I loved the hatred. I loved it.

You're annoying. Loved it. I'm like... But if you don't think Brady got the Mahomes treatment, which they both are getting the treatment, you're crazy. It's worse than Mahomes gets now. No. Yes. No.

You just were getting the... It's a different kind of treatment. There's a difference between whining and there's a difference between like flopping and egging these guys on for the defensive guys coming to you. Whatever they were good at, they got back. Like Brady was great at crying like a little baby. And so he benefited from that. Mahomes is great at flopping. He benefits from that.

Yeah, but like I said, crying doesn't get you a flag. It does, the next play, when it happens again, which probably wouldn't be a flag, but because you cried about it so much. I don't think we're going to go anywhere with this. I think it's four-on-one. Oh, I don't care. I don't like both of them, so.

I'm not, I like both of them is the weird thing. I was with a Niners fan and a Ravens fan over the weekend, and they were more pissed than I was. Yeah, because they both lost and suck. Yeah, they're better. This is before the Ravens lost. Well, the Niners didn't make it, and the Ravens are just bitter they haven't made it. They lost last year in the AFC championship in Baltimore.

And I'm sure you've influenced them somehow. Not at all. As your friends. No. Dang, he's so, dude, he's so sour right now. No, I'm good. You can't take it. If the Chiefs win, you're no longer the greatest dynasty.

It's the first time ever. Oh, I wouldn't go that far. No, you're not. Four compared to seven? But it's three in a row. That's never happened. So? That's never a big notch on the bell.

dynasties. This will be one for them. Never has anyone one three. And you're about to get your coach with play? The best coach all time when Andy Reed beats them. Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I'm just saying. Dang. This is fun. Three in a row? Hey, Mike, you got any long horns gear I can borrow? Three in a row is epic. And I'm not even fighting for my teams. I'm just fighting for common sense. Anyway, the Chiefs won.

And I don't think it was because of the refs. I think the refs give them a homes the Brady treatment, as I call it. but they also The special teams wasn't good for the Texans just were not going to win that game Yeah, Kami Fanbearer No boy no Yeah he like had on nine layers of clothes

He like had on a Had on a turtle net He had on like the North Face coat As he's kicking over You can just tell You can just shanked it to the right You can just tell he was cold He is cold

Good games Now the pressure though Because I don't feel like the pressure of the Josh Allen like Josh Allen's pressure wasn't this last game pressure to win pressure to win a Super Bowl

but like his boogie man is Patrick Mahomes Lamar's is winning a playoff game so if the bills lose that sucks Josh Allen didn't get to a Super Bowl again didn't win a Super Bowl but it's not

can't win in the playoffs does Josh Allen get the Tom Brady treatment no because he plays a completely different style of ball and also he's not won Super Bowl He did have that one moment, like, what was it, two weeks ago where the ref came up to him on the sideline and, like, apologize for a call, though. So, I mean, he does get a little love. Superstar treatment.

Superstar treatment, yeah. But there's only two, the Brady Mahomes treatment is totally different than anybody else. All I'm saying is are the same. I'm not even saying that Brady's was worse. I didn't even say anything. I'm not even in this. I'm not saying anything. We're going to agree to disagree and I will die on the hill.

His face is getting redder. He is getting mad. To end conclusion. I forget my point. Oh, Josh Allen's boogeyman. I like Josh Allen. Me too. I think he plays, like, awesome.

You just hate Patrick Mahomes? He comes in with a Buffalo Bills hat tomorrow. Oh, I will. I will. Josh Allen's boogeyman is Patrick Mahomes. Lamar Jackson is the playoffs. If Josh Allen loses to Patrick Mahomes again, it'll be what Lamar is suffering from right now.

Right. Can't win because of playoffs. Josh Allen can't win because of Patrick Mahomes. Not regular season. Yeah. You beat him regular season. season all day. No problem. By the way, playoffs, Travis Kelsey, MVP.

That dude. It's just like he just waits. He didn't even start. And he's like no one ever around him either. He's like, always, what, but he's looking a little old though. He's a little slow. He's a little slower. I saw through every playoff game Kelsey's played in. He might, he's at like either 99 or 100 yards, averaging

100 yards a game through every playoff game and a touchdown at least a game. Averaging. Wow. It's crazy. I mean, even last week. We can go well. Those are inflated numbers from the beginning of his playoff run. No, I think he caught for 1-110 or something. I don't know. 17.

Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. Let's go choose. The glorified wide receiver that you're talking about. Oh, my goodness. I was going to fight to Travis Kelsey. I'm glad that he's continuing on.

Now I'm giving you crap. Because he's just trying to poke at it. I know what he's doing. I'm literally just talking about stats. Did you guys feel I was poking there at all? You guys so sensitive and triggered right now because the Patriots might be the second greatest dynasty ever.

Uh-oh. Seven. That's great. Nobody's ever done three in a row. Okay. Good look. Can you imagine three plus the one four that early in Patrick Holmes' career?

Oh my goodness. He might win ten. Especially when he's getting the Brady treatment. Tom Brady would get stripped from the goat title. That'd be crazy. You know if he wins this one, start to debate that. It'll be a real-life debate. Like, who's the greatest of all time? And they'll go, well, Brady, because he's won more, but then they'll go, but at this point in their careers,

Mahomes is significantly ahead of Brady. So that will be the conversation. Kevin going to cry. Kevin's going to cry. Okay. We'll move off. We all know. I mean, who's beat him twice in the playoff? Yeah, that's true. Tom Brady, if you guys didn't know. Cool. Knocked them out twice. So Eli Manning. One in the Super Bowl. Eli Manning is the greatest of all time? One-N-AFC Championship. Is Eli Manning the greatest of all-time?

No. Okay, just wondering. Because I think he'd be Tom, right? Yeah, twice. Yeah, just making sure. And Nick Foles. Not seven times. Nick Foles.

Yeah, that's true too. That's right. I forgot about that. Anyway, college football, fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bad timing, though, for that game. Because you're right in the middle of, it's, you know, AFC-N-FC championship week.

We just had the divisional round. You have MLK Day. You have the inauguration. It's like of all those things. They should have done it on Friday. Because Friday was the day that nothing really happened. They should have it a week ago. Or that too.

But they give them that whole week buffer. I know you start the season week earlier. That'd be cool. I'd be cool with that. Yeah. Bad scheduling on their part. Yeah. They'll tweak.

What about getting rid of conference championships and just started everything a week early? I'm in with that too. I'm fine with that too mostly because I don't like how they're affecting the college. We've only done it one year. How they're affecting the college football playoff. and they're like even if you lose your conference championship you shouldn't lose I think I'm okay with the conference championship games

if everything can remain fluid and what that means is I just need a definition of what we're looking for instead of everybody arguing about what should happen and if the group is going to penalize a team for losing and they like if the rule is you make it and you were already making it before we're not going to penalize you let's just state it ahead of time if you were already what I would like and they do it is they go here's what it be if it were today. This is what the

bracket would look like. And so if they just said, because they indicated it, but they weren't married to it, anybody that goes to a game, we can't see them not making it if they lose their conference game. Just say it. But then again, the conference, having a conference champion is fun,

but they're so big. You may have three people winning the big 10. Yeah. Because again, there are so many teams and you can have a bunch of one loss teams because teams don't play each other. So I just hope, and I think there will be, for more definition of what they're looking for in order for the playoffs to happen. I think they will tweak.

They'll just put the top four teams in next year. I don't think they'll do the – I don't think we'll have Boise and Arizona State getting a buy. Right. Yeah, they've got to change that. And I think they have indicated that they could possibly tweak, which means they're going to fix that. Would Notre Dame and Ohio State – I guess Ohio State would have been in the top four. Yeah. But not Notre Dame, right?

If this were two years ago. I'd have to think back, but you would go Oregon. You would go Texas. Texas would probably be in the top four. Or Georgia? No, I think. Oh, Georgia beat Texas. Yeah, Georgia.

Yeah, you're right. Alabama? No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'd have made a lot of money if they'd have made it. Yeah. I guess just Ohio State, really.

Notre Dame wouldn't have been. Georgia would have been there, though. And they were in. Yeah. But then even in the Big Ten, like Penn State and Oregon. Oregon played each other, not even Ohio State. Yeah. Yeah.

I just have to make it 16 teams. Yeah. Let's do 64. Screw it. Dude, like March Madness. Yeah, yeah. Start the season as a bracket. Oh my gosh, that'd be awesome. 64.

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You want to go roller skating. It's bothering him. I can tell it hurts and it's bothering you. Yeah, I think my pain pills ran out. So I'm feeling everything. Honestly, it's just, I can't, there's no place I can put my arm, even in the sling where it doesn't hurt. It just hurts every way I put it. If I lean it on this armrest, it hurts.

If I put in the sling, it hurts. It just, it hurts the whole time. I hate that for you. Did he say where it broke? He said it broke in the radius bone right below the elbow. Is that something they're going to have to reset or have surgery on? I will find that out in about an hour. What did that, what did that, because you went to like a general emergency room, doctor, right?

Went to the ER. Yeah, so I broke it on Saturday night. And I was like, I'm just going to toughen it out. I'm going to sleep. And then at 7 a.m. I'm going to go to urgent care and then they'll x-ray it and tell me what's up. I didn't even make it. It was like three in the morning and I woke up crying and I'm like, I need to go to the emergency room.

Like, this hurts so bad. That sucks. I really feel bad for you because it just seems like something an 11-year-old does, breaks an arm. Yes. Roller seating. Yeah. I know. I know. That sucks.

It does suck. Especially your right arm. We can put together our differences on Brady and Mahomes to come together and say, dude, that sucks. That sucks. Thank you guys. It means a lot. I can tell how hard that is for you guys. So, but with a broken arm.

arm, there have been conspiracy theories about your broken arm. Oh. Did Reed send one in? No. No. What do you think? Why? What do you think?

I feel like Reed would be like he's just trying to get out of workouts. Interesting conspiracy theory that Reed would think you don't want to work out for a while. Not true. By the way, it's your second broken bone, though, in like six months. Yeah. Last year I broke my foot. Yeah. This year I broke my arm.

I didn't just need to change my lifestyle, dude. Something's got to change. This was roller skating. I don't know this is a lifestyle thing you normally do, though. No, no, it is. Because when you go to the roller skating rink and they say, hey, come on, let's go skating. You say, no, I'm 45 years old. Yeah.

I'm good. So you don't want to do too much access and go. That's different, dude. That's different. You broke your foot in St. Louis trying to cover second. No, it's for sure a 12-year-old now. Yeah, no, I still want to do too much access. Kevin has a conspiracy theory about your arm.

Of course. Yeah, Eddie, we talked about it last week. You brought it up how you think you're stronger than me. And then Casey with a great idea of saying, all right, let's have them compete and throw the medicine ball over. Throw the 100-pound ball. That's right. How convenient. 100-pound ball over your shoulder.

How many you can get in one minute and loser loses out on the Super Bowl ticket. And how convenient you come back the following week and your arm is broken and you can't work out. So I think you did this to get out of the competition because you know you're going to lose. And you want to go to the Super Bowl. It's a great theory, man. I really wish that was it. Then I would tell you, okay, I'm just joking. Let's just do it.

But it's not, dude. But you didn't, like, mean to get hurt. Like, I don't think you meant to break your arm. But, like, maybe you meant to, like, I don't know, spraying your wrists and then I did a broken arm. We never saw an x-ray. I'll ask for one today because they're going to take one today. The ER doctor, like, it was weird.

He came in. He's like, all right, so here's what it is. And then he's like, I'm going to double check with radiation, though, to make sure what I saw was correct. And then next person that came in was the nurse said, you're ready to go. home. So I never found out like what the radiation doctor said. Is it called a radiation doctor?

Oh, imaging. He said imaging doctors. Uranium. Just straighten that arm, man. That looks like plutonium. The sleeve just looks like anything you can pick up at Goodwill. Exactly. Like you can just go grab that at Walmart. So is there a chance today you go in and they're like, no, dude. It's just bruised.

No. No, because it's, how many days have been? Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. I mean, it's been, like, it hurts, dude. I can't even rotate my wrist. Do you think that because of your broken arm, that you should just be allowed to have one of the Super Bowl tickets, and you shouldn't have to compete in any way? Oh, that's a great point. Yeah.

Yeah, especially if you're going to do a physical competition. There's no way and compete with you guys. You could do the 50 pound with one arm and then he could do that's half, 100 with a lot. Yeah, he could do the 100. That's fair. We can even this out. Yeah. No.

No, because I'm telling you, man, even like I was talking to someone yesterday, and I put my hand out kind of like, I don't know, but I moved my right hand without even thinking. Like, I don't know. And I was like, ow! God, that hurts so bad. So there's no way I can pick up anything with my left arm without my right arm even just not thinking about helping out. And in your opinion, instead of four people fighting for three tickets, it should be two people fighting for three tickets. Correct.

And you should be broken armed in. Yeah, I'm in. I broke my arm. Like, sorry, dude. This is terrible. the Super Bowl. I mean, it's been tough not to, you know, bring you down any further, but I saw where the Cowboys have the longest NFC championship game drought in NFL history. Yeah. To add to the broken arm. Because look at the command, I mean, the commanders are in. Yeah. One year after being terrible.

And you know, their head coach is our ex-defense coordinator. That's true too. Yeah. And then the Eagles, their offensive coordinator was our old offensive coordinator. It's just sad, dude. I have a picture of me and the commander's head coach, Dan Quinn, on the field. The Cowboys game. Did you guys know each other? No, but I just said, can I get a picture? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Is he a big dude?

He looks pretty big. I need to look back in the picture. I think so. I don't know. His upper body looks big. Yeah, he looks like... He looks like big dude. Like his chest looks big.

Got it, got it, got it. I was thinking about putting it in like AAR, sending it to Reed, because he's wearing like blue because he was a Cowboys coach, but like having Reed turn it in the commander's colors. It's like I'm on the field at the commander's game with the commander's head coach. I think you should do it. Yes. I mean, that's what they do when someone commits, right, or they're transferring? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do it. Yeah, maybe I do that. That's funny. Okay, we have to work on the Super Bowl thing still. I was looking forward to that one. I'll tell you what, though, dude. It's pretty cool telling people like, yeah, I might go to the Super Bowl this year. I don't think you're saying might, if I'm being honest, because I've heard you talk about it.

You're saying you're going. Who did you hear me talk to? I'm just saying you're telling people you're going to the Super Bowl. Maybe, I think I said maybe I might go to the Super Bowl. No, you're going to. It is a flex. I mean, I get it. I mean, that's crazy, dude.

If I get to go to the Super Bowl, if any of us get to, sorry, read, if any of us get to go to the Super Bowl, dude, it's pretty, that's pretty amazing. You know, it's weird. I was watching these guys kick barefoot. In the warm up, some of the guys were kicking barefoot, I can't kick anyway. To kick barefoot seems so painful. And it was cold, too. I don't know why they would do that. But how can anybody kick barefoot?

Because some guys will just, even like on Instagram. they'll kick 50-yard field goals and they want to do it barefoot. I don't even know where to kick the ball. I guess the top of your foot is where you're supposed to kick it? You didn't know that because when we were doing too much access, you were kicking in like Charlie Brown. Yeah, no, literally.

But wouldn't that hurt? Like the guy with half a foot. Who was that? He had the longest field goal for a long time. Yeah, he played for the Saints. Do you know that, Kevin? He had half a foot. When you look up the guy's name with half a foot?

Tom Dempsey? Tom Dempsey. That's it. Good one. Yeah, it blew my mind. They were kicking barefoot one in the cold, but barefoot at all. That feels like it would hurt.

Eddie, could you cook barefoot? Nah, I've done it. Does it hurt? Yeah. It hurts really bad. And why do they choose to do that? Maybe like the feel of the ball, like knowing exactly where to kick it?

I have no idea, dude. It sounds stupid to me. They were talking about the feel of the ball, and this I understood, where the kicker, the placeholder, catch it, spin it. Yeah. that they can't catch it and spin it with gloves on

because they're wearing gloves and their hands are so cold but they don't want to wear gloves because with that you do need to have extreme control the ball so those guys that are taking the snap putting it down spinning the ball

before the kicker kicks it with gloves obviously the ball will not be as active will not move as fast because your gloves are there for a reason which is to create traction and what I've also heard is that they shaved the football down The kicking footballs, those are different footballs than the actual

footballs they use to like just on a regular play. Didn't we ask that one of our trips? The BYU? Is it BYU? Oh, maybe it was BYU? Maybe. I heard that they would take balls and deflate them.

I knew this was coming. What's up? I knew this was coming. Yeah, so the quarterback could grip it better. Yeah, and throw it. And throw it further. And easy to catch. It went 43 to 6.

Yeah, I don't think the plate gate was a real thing, by the way. I think it was. I rooted for the Patriots. That's funny, dude. Spygate, that's, yeah. Thank you. I'm sorry about your Cowboys, though.

Whatever. Hey, who's going to coach you, man? Because they're starting to fall into place. Yeah. Cliff? I saw, though, your Ben Johnson guy, he got taken. To the Bears. Yeah.

And it was Raider, Raider, Raider, Raider, Tom Brady, raider, Raider. Bears. Crazy. If I was a Lions fan, I would hate him for going to the Bears, right? And because it seems like he wasn't really his best game either, this last one against Washington. I don't know. Yeah, it's a tough. It's a professional.

That's so dumb. You would do it. You're going to be angry. Is somebody taking a head coach? job and they will play them twice though every year i'm just saying um yeah that's tough although i wouldn't because they kept going don't count jacksonville out and the only thing about jacksonville that well the one and a half things is one it's warm like that's a big part of where i want to live oh yeah florida like chicago's an awesome city but during the winter awful yeah and then you kind

to have a quarterback trevor lawrence like possibly that's one and a half reason that's reasons why. The Raiders, I just can't see anybody going to the Raiders and winning. Vegas. I hear Vegas is a nice town. But winning. Like, what's that culture? No, no, you're not going to win. You're just going to go to Vegas and live there. They haven't won in so long. I cannot visualize them winning. I guess Brady being there is the only thing that's definitely. And that's why he was considering coaching there is what I heard. Like, he wasn't even going to take an interview. Yeah. Or talk to anyone. So, the O.C. for the Lions and the D.C. for the Lions are supposed to be Chicago, New York, the Jets. I mean, that's the The rumor?

Yeah, I mean, I'm happy for that. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. What about your boy getting interviews with Jacksonville? Oh, Sala? My favorite coach of all time. Yeah, I mean, I don't really understand how he could get another coaching job. But now that you see it, don't you realize it wasn't his fault?

He definitely was part of his fault. He was not a good leader of men. I don't know. He's a good coordinator, like most of them are. You know what I mean? Not all them really paying out. I felt like he was leading me pretty good. I liked it.

I liked it. I like me to say stuff. Oh, gas, no breaks. Yeah, I saw that he did. They weren't listening. He interviewed with the Cowboys. I saw McCarthy looks like he could be the coach of the Saints.

Again, they're just predicting at this point, but some of the guys that are pretty in on think McCarthy could be the coach of the Saints, which would be interesting. McCarthy's a good coach. And then here we are back in Dallas. And I think they're probably, if I were to pick two people,

I could see taking that job. Eddie, who are your two people? Dion and Riverboat. Riverboat Ron. No chance it's Ron Rivera. Dude, I mean, we would just talk to him. And he even said, if the Cowboys hit me up, I got to think about that. I don't know.

No chance. I feel like that would be the perfect fit. I feel like you need some. Okay, before I say this. Kevin, who are the two people you think can take that job? I would say Cliff and Dion. You know what? I'm going to go three then because Cliff's a, especially with the commanders winning now.

Exactly. If they had lost this last week, I don't think I put Cliff in the probable conversation, but I think that now gives Jerry a. enough of. And also, Cliff was good in Arizona for a while. Like, it's not like he was a bad coach. And I don't know if it really matters, but he's a Texas guy from there. He is? Oh, yeah, I guess so. And he coached Texas Tech. Yeah. Cliff's a good one. Casey? I think Kenlin Moore. That's my guy, too, and he's been there before. Jerry, right. Jerry

likes having people he knows. But that's... What did he do? He was a coordinator. Yeah, I don't know we wanted that. I think he was handcuffed there, too, wasn't he? You would rather have Ron Rivera, who we love, who is older, his ceiling. is not that high. You bring Rivera into fixture program like Washington did, like when it's just in disarray. We said there were a lot of questionable offensive coordinator calls when he was with the Cowboys.

And even now with the Eagles, I don't think he's killing it with Eagles. I think the Eagles have the tools to be really well. As the Eagles are in the NFC championship. And I'm not crediting the OC for that. Why not? Nah, I credit Hertz. I credit it hurts.

And those two people you're crediting, what side of the ball is? And Sequin. Those three, what side of the ball would be? They're the execution. Wait, they're the executioners? Well, that would be killers. That'd be they were murdering people. They're the ones that execute it. So, my question is, what side of the ball are those three on?

Offensive side of the ball. He's like a little kid. I don't buy it, dude. How old is Kellanmore? He looks like he's 10. He'll turn 14. He's older than that. He turned 14.

I think Kellanmore would be a good pick. Yeah, that's a good one, too. Or Joe Brady is another one. Yeah, Joe Brady would be good. Again, all these guys are playing, right? Joe Bray's not playing. Oh, I saw Whitton, too. They're talking to Whitten.

They're not talking to Whitten. You know what? Where did that come from? Oh, dude. They're not talking to Whitton. The Cowboys, it's weird. The Cowboys posts on Instagram who they've interviewed.

They have to. Everybody, every team has to do that. Yeah. I think you just follow the Cowboys, so you think it's just the Cowboys. No, they said that Whitten interviewed. Yeah. I heard they talked to Whitten while they still had McCarthy from my sources

about a job with the Cowboys with McCarthy more than specifically a head coaching job. Oh. Now, also, you can interview. somebody, even if you don't plan on hiring them, just to see where they are in their maturation of, in their coaching maturation. Sure. Because possibly you bring them in a different role or you learn what they're about if they take a different job.

So it's why the Rooney rule exists, meaning the NFL doesn't say go and you must hire a black coach. They're saying, if followed properly, if you interview a certain amount of black coaches, what's going to happen is you're going to have an understanding of what they're about, how intelligent they are, how great of a head coach they're. may be now or maybe in the future, you form this relationship that any person forms with another person through a process and that if you don't hire them then, the next time around possibly, or for another position, or you recommend them to somebody else who's hiring a coach.

It's all about relationships and not just as humans, but understanding where these coaches are intellectually. So the same thing with Jason Witten, there's no chance he's a head coach of the campus. Yeah, you're really right. Eddie George interviewed for the Bears. And I know he's been a head coach. He's been for a little while now here in Tennessee, but that was random. What school does he coach at? He coaches here at Tennessee. Tennessee State. Tennessee State, yeah. It's an HBCU. You didn't know he was a head coach? For years. Didn't know that. I thought he was just chilling. Chilling with his millions of dollars.

I did run into him in New York once. He was super nice, but he had no idea how I was. I never expect anybody to know who I am for the record. And I think I've mentioned this before. I just see I'm standing outside the home. hotel that I was in and I'm like hey and I might have said hey I didn't it's a weird thing because if I call him Mr. George I'm an adult like him and I never want someone to be like this guy thinks I'm 100 because I don't ever want to be like Mr. George and this guy's like Eddie's like Eddie George whatever's name is is like why is he calling me Mr and he's my age so that could feel like it could be a bit disrespectful so I think I might have said hey Eddie George which is also weird to call

someone by their full name and he's like that's me and then when we're when you do that, you're automatically a fan, which I was, but there's no chance that you're going to then have a conversation as peers. Because if I'm like, hey, Eddie George, he's not going to be like, I'd like to tell you some secrets about my. So I was just like, hey, Eddie George, I said, hey, I live in Nashville really nice to me. Whatever, I just said something. May I said like, like, big fan or something. And he was like, oh, great. And then I was like, let me just test the waters. And I was like, yeah, there's body bones. I do it. And I could tell when I said that, I didn't even need to say what I did. He did not know who I was. Didn't click. So then I just kind

of gave up. I was like, I do right. Okay, anyway, hey man. It was super nice. Yeah. But had no idea. And he's having success. And it's pretty cool to see the bears interview him. Yeah. Which hopefully turns into something because they didn't hire him. Also, too, a great thing about the Rooney Rule is maybe, again, the bears have their list of, coaches they want to hire, and you bring in somebody and you don't get your first one, two, or three. And you brought in somebody because of the Rooney Rule, and all of a sudden, you're like, you know what? If we're like our draft board, I'll take this guy at four. And then one, two, and three fall.

And you're like, oh, yeah, I really was. We weren't going to interview him because we didn't think we'd need to fall down three spots. And now we have it. I'm a fan of it. Some team's cheat, though. Oh, yeah. They're like, does anybody know nine black people we can talk to real quick? And they check it off the list.

I feel like the Patriots did that dude this year. I was going to say the pictures posted. It was Byron Lefwich and Pep Pep Hamilton. And I was like, this is super random. Like, oh, I know what they're doing. I feel like Robert Kraft was like, well, black people are nearby to no football. I need to interview them real quick.

Get them in here. But again, even that could turn into something later on. So I am a proponent of the Rooney Rule. But it is funny to see people cheat it real quick and just go, who can we get? What is? That whole joke. That's funny. Carover crap.

Hey, Sean, you know any black people. Can you get them up here real quick? We need to tweet out. We've talked to a few of them. But at the same time, that could turn into something. Okay, Mike, one more break. Yep. Okay, boom. The 2026 NFL draft is here,

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and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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So Chief Seaholic is a, I didn't know it was going to be two hours, is a two-hour documentary. I think I did watch it in two days. I watched it in one. It's a two-hour documentary about the Chiefs fan who robbed Banks to go to away games. His name's like, how bad is that? Xavier. Yeah, it looks like his name's Xavier.

But he was telling his lawyer, he was like, it's like caviar. All right. Oh, my. And his lawyer is like, okay, Xavier, he's completely ignored it. All right, bro. So this is,

I think regardless of anything that I say, because it's tough to do a spoiler-free when talking about a documentary. Because it's history. Yeah, and it's not like this crazy plot. But I'm going to talk about some of the crazy stuff in it. But I'm going to leave some stuff out.

It's worth watching. Dude, it's insane. It's excellent. It's, and you know what? It has every, I felt bad for him because, yeah, and again, I don't know Chief's Kingdom enough to even know who he was. Maybe I'd seen him on television a couple times when they show the crazy fans.

Those Chief's Kingdom people, like most fans, I think the only fan that I know is Fireman Ed, whatever's name is. Yeah, Fireman Ed. I think that's the only, like, super fan that is not being paid that I can identify. Can you guys identify any others? Oh, those are the Raiders guys. No, I need you to identify one, is my point. Because I can think of little groups, like the Browns, have the dog pound.

Right, sure. But Fireman Ed is like the one guy that I know. There's a Clippers guy, Clipper Ed. I think he's name. No, maybe I'm just thinking Fireman Ed. Not a head. I think it's Ed. Maybe.

I don't know that guy. San Diego Chicken? Yeah. So, I didn't know him, but he was, for all intents and purposes, the most famous of the Kansas City Chief Super fans. The crazy thing is. is he never had his face out. As far as when he was at the games for the most part,

he wore a full wolf costume covering his face. Full head to toe, he's a wolf. His best friends just knew his voice. Because he would never take the mask out. Really? Yeah. Well, his football friends. The football friends.

He didn't like wear it on Tuesday. He didn't like wear it for dinner with that thing on. Yes. So he was chief sololic. Social media following. He ran warehouses. And that time made his money to travel. as they started to peel it back, you realize he really didn't do any of that, that he kept, he gambled a lot.

Big gamble. I was rooting for him too. Big time. Big time. Like, had a problem. It got to be a problem. Okay. But he lived out of his car.

His whole family lived out of their car. Wow. Like grew up terrible situation. Like this is how he was able to find acceptance, was being a part of Chief's Kingdom and being this character. out of his car, lived out of his car and then robbed out of his car. Like, that's the car that he drove to the games. And so, but found such acceptance in people celebrating him for being Chiefsaholic that he wanted to grow Chiefsaholic and make it bigger and be everywhere. And how do you continue this lifestyle? How do you be? And that's the bad decision that he made was in order to find

what was missing in him. It was Rob Banks. Very entrepreneurial. He had it too. He did. He would never been caught. He totally had it. He had it. He would like drop things.

Like he did so many. They didn't even know to look at some of these banks he robbed until after the fact. Wow. When they, he had it. He like. But not every single one. I mean, I don't know if this gives up too much, but not everyone was like. No.

Okay. Confession. I started it. Okay. But I, why is that a confession? Because I couldn't watch it. Why? Oh, you had cheese so much.

Okay. Stop. I swear to God. This is stupid. I was like, I can't watch it five minutes in. I was like, I can't watch this crap. You're an idiot. Does he go in there like with a gun every time?

Or no? Is it like secret or does that give up too much? I don't think that's a bad thing to share. I like so either. Because you make it sound like a BB gun. It looks like a gun though. But he sticks him up every time. Puts it in their chest. He does a real bank robbery.

And he's good at it. Jumps the counter, puts it at him, knows exactly the big bills to get. Like he became so efficient at it. He says no small bills. He knows what he's doing. Okay. He had done it successfully so many times. I don't think he ever would have been caught except for a couple like... The one that got him was the final...

I mean, obviously the final one in Oklahoma, the Bixby, Oklahoma one. And then after they have them, though, is when they start to track back all the other ones. But I felt bad for him in a way of, like, his mom still lived out of her car. Like, very sad, very sad upbringing. So the deeper meaning of it is a sad story. Yeah, but the sad doesn't win, the stupid wins. The sad, it gives you a 3D, this is a real-life human who had some circumstances that were terrible and then made some bad decisions and doubled down on those bad decisions. And there comes a point where you have to go, man, everybody coming from such a tragic background didn't make all these bad decisions.

But there's an understanding of why someone would do this. He was taken away from his mom as a kid and put in a foster home. Because when I did have a house, up an apartment, they were like, the situation is so bad to live in. You're not able to live with your mom. So he gets put in a foster care.

So all of that is what created chief sololic because he wanted to have a purpose and wanted to have an identity. And then it got to where he wanted to fuel this identity, fund it. He wanted to be at every game. But then he starts betting a ton of money. He figures out, also smart guy,

in that he figures out how to rob, banks, but he also figures out how to wash money. What do you? What's that? Yeah, launder. Londre money. And like going to casinos and like to getting out a bunch of chips. That's a big part of it. He like, laundering. And I've not

said a third of what's in that documentary. I loved how entertained I was by it. I felt bad for him. But also, and you can watch it to see what happens at the very, very end. He has a lawyer too. Oh my God. And I remember this happening in real life where he would come out

and be like, I believe this is only the first drive of the day and it's first and 10 and by the end of this when we score a touchdown all his references are like football he's talking about the case he's talking about the case but uses football term he looks like spanky from little rascals

like a little nerdy man and then at the end and a shocking twist did you use oh yeah shocking shocking tweak a suit off yes he's like the biggest nerd he's like the biggest nerd ever biggest nerd goober and he takes his shirt off he's got a whole sleeve

tattoo. He's tattoe. And you're like, what? I knew exactly what you're talking about. That made me when I took away most from it. Spanky had tattoos all in his arm. It's good. It's like, I was wondering too, like, how is this guy going to defend it?

Chief Seaholic? Like, in his angles were so funny. Yeah, they had a big board up and they were like, but I, it's worth watching. I don't think I've spoiled so much of it. It's not worth watching. I only watched it because I was like, I don't want Eddie to keep going, being disappointed. me for not watching it. Were you impressed with just the footage that they had?

Oh, it's awesome. Like, it should win an award. I don't know what award is it. Like, what kind of footage? Is it bank robbing footage or everything? Just the footage that they're able to get. Like, I don't think you could really do a documentary and understand who this guy was if you didn't have that footage.

And not just bank all social media from all of his... I'm Jews all. I mean, everything. His move was, he'd go rob on his, basically on foot, jump on a bike, and then, be riding a bike around. And then it was like mid-December, a five-degree day. And there's a dude riding his bike around a neighborhood. And the cops's like, well, that's not normal.

Like, nobody rides on a bike. Or what do you know? No, no, no. He doesn't rob in the suit. The wolf suit. And he crushes some bets, too. I'm sure, you know, you never see what anybody fully bet. He crushes some bets on this show.

Where you root for him, too. And you root against them. But it's good. Watch Chiefs a hollolic. I watch it on Amazon. I think that's where it is. Yeah, Amazon. What do you rate it?

if I were to rate it to my wife for her to watch it I would say three and a half out of five for her you think she would not enjoy it as much I think she'd be like okay this is kind of entertaining for us four and a half out of five there's so much there's bank robbery there's football there's betting

there's all the stuff the way the fans talk it made me feel like such a loser it's so funny dude also I felt like a loser after the documentary was over because they're such losers. All of Chief's Kingdom, these massive diehard fans,

like they have cars that are like Chiefs. They dedicate their whole life to it. They have every signed ball from every third string right guard behind them. And they're like, it's all I live for. And then I'm like, man, these guys are such losers. Then I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh, no, that's me. You know your room? It looks the exact same.

It's not even the room. It's just I invest so much emotionally. Yes. Yes. Then I caught myself going, I'm so glad I'm not a loser like them. Well, wait. And then how I am a loser like them? Not as outward at times, but I am. And so I felt like such a loser and I had the whole talk of myself, maybe you care 12% less. Because you looked at somebody else that you don't know from a distance and went, oh my God, I'm glad I'm not them. And turns out you're very much like them. But you're never like, I mean, I see the guys in the Patriots game that are all face, hanging up the games and all the stuff. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? I hear you. Yeah, that's not you, Bones. In a different way though, right? Like my emotions, I've said this before, I don't experience rage in my life ever, ever, ever, unless it's a loss, a bad loss. That's when I see

red. I, it can run a whole day, two days. It can. Oh, yeah. I wanted to get rich so I could spend money to help the program. Like, that was one of my goals. That shouldn't be one of your goals as a kid to be able to be rich so you can, like, go to games and spend money to help the team. That's pretty cool, though. It's awesome. But that's why I'm watching that movie going, oh, they're such a lose, so am I. But it's just a little perspective.

But I think you got to watch it. No pressure. Kevin, you got to suck it up and watch it. It's good, though. It's good. Real quick, next year's national championship odds. One, two, three, four, five, six. We'll go seven down.

Seventh down is Notre Dame, but plus 1600. six is Alabama plus 1200. Fifth is Penn State plus 900. Fourth is Oregon plus 750. Third is Georgia plus 550. Two is Texas plus 500. And a very close one is Ohio State. Again, a plus 450.

That's from Draft Kings. They're banking on arch. Texas is the only one I know the quarterback. I mean, a lot can happen until then, but. Great point. I think Oregon's quarterback, we all know who that's going to be, whoever they can buy for the most amount of money for another team. It's also a quarterback.

That's what they've done the last couple times. And there's nothing illegal about it. No. I mean, Alabama probably the same way. Yeah. I mean, J-Lam Milrose declared for the draft, right? I don't know. I'm almost positive he declared.

And if he didn't, he's, I'm sure I'll transfer. Yeah. Notre Dame, we know their quarterback because he's coming back, right? Is he? I know. I think Riley Leonard is done. Is he a senior? Yeah.

Huh. Oh, those two quarterbacks last night are the same person. I know. They're both like large, A little dopey. I would not be able to distinguish. Howard? They both run a little bit.

They're sneaky athletic. They're like kind of goofy-looking white guys. Yeah, cornbread. Chubby faces. Like they'd be fun to hang out with. Like you'll see him in 10 years and be like, dude, this guy. And then you're like, well, actually he's quarterback for Ohio State. That's pretty cool.

When you're buying a car? Yeah, exactly. I don't know, dude. I think both of those guys could be NFL guys. Oh, yeah. Their frames are both massive. They can move. they can throw. Like they just look

like they shouldn't be. They're just like they're having too much fun out there. But I like them both. I like both of those quarterbacks when I watch them because they just they look like they shouldn't be great super athletic quarterbacks. But they're like sneaky athletic but maybe just because they're white they're sneaky. Yeah, they might play into it. But also their faces are a little

you're both like a little chubby facey. A little chubby face. A little full. Okay. I like it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, he did declare. Jail Lillill I do declare. I do declare. I do declare. All right, that's it.

Thank you, everybody. I think we've said it all. Eddie, get some medicine for your arm. Oh, thank you, man. My mouth guard fit. Now, I'm going to go to the dentist. You're going there. Which is very much same as you're.

Same thing, man. Read, good. Yeah, man. He said a lot. You came through with one strong point, though. I know, dude. I knew. What was that?

I don't remember, but I remember it was good when he said it. I think you said Alabama. No, you said something earlier And we were like, oh, it's a good point. Oh, yeah, that was a good one. That's a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one.

That was a good one. Kevin, yeah. Good little match today. Uh-huh. That's fun. Yeah. You guys good? I don't have a dog in the fight because I like both teams.

I like the Patriots. I like them then. I love a dynasty. I like the Chiefs now. I love a dynasty. It's so rare we get to witness greatness. And I can understand having fatigue of it. but my only point was

Thanks Eddie Mahomes Mahomes gets all of these calls because he stands on the shoulders of Tom Brady who is the one Yes Who is the one who

I mean Brady stands on his shoulders But yeah He possibly couldn't It's before I'm just kidding Mahomes gets his because Brady established the law of I'm the number one

I deserve preferential treatment And they both do because if they get hurt, those entire franchises are wiped out. They're the NFL's most marketable players. A, B, C, D, EFG. But they're the same. And I can't wait for the Chiefs to be the best all time. Three in a row.

It's so easy to come from when you don't have a dog in the fight, I get that. Right, because I'm just presenting logic. He's got a clearer picture, Kevin. Yes, there is no bias here. That's why I love college football. And it will be the greatest dynasty three in a row that's ever been seen in the history. of the NFL. Yeah, might be.

You know what? Screw it. Chief's Kingdom. I'm part of you. I'm part of the Chief's Kingdom. All right, we're done. We'll see you guys later on this week. Bye, everybody.

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