The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Caitlin Clark Makes Her Debut + Jared Goff's Payday + Doug Gottlieb Gets a Head Coaching Job

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

Caitlin Clark made her much anticipated debut last night and dropped 20 points in the loss at the Connecticut Sun. Plus, Jared Goff gets paid like a top QB, Kickoff Kevin saw his fiancée in Mexico at her bachelorette party and got a dirty look. Bobby congratulates Dog Gottlieb on being named the next head coach job at UW-Green Bay, and revisits the chat he had with Doug on the last season of the podcast.    Follow the Show: @25Whistles   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is a podcast called 25 whistles talking football and we all need a whistle at Snoopin. But what did you expect? It's a podcast called 25 whistles. 25 whistles. I feel like you didn't know the words. You know, I get stuck with that football, basketball, and then... Yeah, I messed up, too.

We were you supposed to say sports, but I said football. Right. Just some news and notes here. Because kind of a big day in sports yesterday. I did watch Caitlin Clark's entire first game. Did you? Yeah. A couple things stood out to me.

One, the place was freaking packed. The tickets were like $55 for the lowest to get in. And that was the Sons, the Connecticut Sons. I wonder why Connecticut are the Sons. Well, it's probably sunny in Connecticut. Not really. It's wintery up there. It's sunny a lot of places.

Not all year. No, but it's not any more sunny in Connecticut than it is hot places. Right. And I feel like you can get away with anyone can have the suns. So that was just the one that was left. If you're on the Earth, if you're on Earth, just call yourself the suns. Like we can't come up with a name or the rain, the clouds. That would suck, though.

The rain of the clouds. So the Connecticut Sun, their game won last year, their home opener, $15 a ticket. Yesterday, $55 a ticket. Wow, that's awesome. The crowd was definitely hyped for Caitlin Clark. I felt like early, because there were a lot of Iowa jerseys in the stands. I feel like the crowd was confused on who to cheer for.

Sure. Because it was a Connecticut Sun game, but the place was packed because of Caitlin Clark. So when she was out of the game and the son would score, they would go crazy. When she was in the game and she would score, they would go crazy. It is a weird dynamic with the crowd. Also, I've never in my whole life went, I'm going to watch a WNBA game. And I turned it on half an hour early.

It started at 7.30 Central or maybe 630 Central. Yeah, it was early because by the time I got home, which was around seven, it was already like second quarter. Did you watch any of it? I watched about five minutes of it. Look at us. Yeah, five minutes. Look at us.

We're basically feminists. That's cool that she's Indiana, dude, so close. To Iowa? Well, to us. Oh, I thought you meant because for her. I also felt like maybe she left college because she knew, because the fever had the number one pick, she could stay close to home.

Yeah, I guess. Do people think, do athletes think like that? I would think in the WMBA they do because it's not like she's going to make a ton of money. Contractually, and based on what team she goes to, and her fan base is right there in the Midwest. She's an Iowa girl. So if you play in Indiana,

perfect. That's super close. Yeah. Yeah, I would think so. What's with the Iowa jerseys, though? Like, at what point were you like, all right, we've got a transition? People can't get their hands.

on Indiana fever jerseys. They sold out on draft day. Wow, that's crazy. So for this season, Iowa jerseys are still cool. Okay. Next season, though, we're going to be done with Iowa jerseys.

I don't know. Then they're vintage. It's like we can't keep wearing like Jordan, North Carolina jerseys. You know what I mean? Nobody does, though, but he played for the Bulls longer. Just say. So watching the game, the crowd was confused.

I felt like the first quarter, because she was like, oh, for three. She had no points. I feel like she was just trying to get all of her teammates the ball and involved very early, like so they'd like her. Sure. I get that. You're new on the team.

I feel like she's a very likable person anyway. However, when the whole world says you're the next one up and all these people are like, wait, we've been playing for a while. Like you probably want to go, I want to show them that I'm not just all about me. And I felt like that hurt her a little bit. She had a few turnovers early. But she dropped a couple times, like behind the back stuff that they just screwed up and dropped. She ended up with 10 turnovers, which is a lot. And I would say that five of them were real.

But when she would get any space, drill, it's crazy to watch her drill shots. But the girl they had on her defensively locked down. And like that girl had a purpose to shut down Caitlin Clark. It was weird too to watch her because she wasn't moving around off ball a whole bunch. And I was like, why is she not moving around off ball? Because if you watch Steph, he doesn't stop. Always moving.

Always moving. but then I remember that I don't know what I'm talking about. Just in basketball? Just in general. Like, I don't know more than the coach. And I have to check myself sometimes. But she wasn't moving off ball at all. But then I thought, what if they have her staying in a certain spot behind three-point line just to create spacing for the other players?

Because if she's standing wherever she is, the corner, if she's at the top of the key, whatever, she's not moving. Somebody's got to stay on her and close because. she'll fire at will from anywhere and so that does create a bit of spacing but i had to have that moment where i remind myself i don't know what i'm talking about because you were yelling what are you doing i was like why she not moving and it is the first game of the season too i mean a lot of eyeballs but it is it is the first game of the season and there had to be a crazy amount of pressure on her and every time she plays there are people that just bought tickets to watch her straight up that's crazy and again she's younger than most of the people but she ended up with seven points in the

first half did they lose yeah but they weren't supposed to win they They got within like six or seven at one point. But she had seven points in the first half. Not the best showing. Second half, I think she had 13 points. It ended up with 20 points. Not bad. 20 points first game.

If she got any space coming off a ball screen or, I mean, dude, she either dropped it or it was so close. And you're like, oh, God. But it was fun to watch. And just because of Caitlin Clark, otherwise it kind of looked like a bad high school game. I mean, it really did. I mean, I don't know what to compare it to. I've never really watched the WMBA game. Don't compare to the NBA.

I did watch a little bit of Vegas when Coach Hammond was. Is she still coaching Vegas? Yeah, I remember watching one game there. Maybe we had two teams that weren't super athletically above the freight. I don't know. But maybe it was just also game one. Yeah. But yeah, it's a lot of like, don't compare it to the NBA.

And also, I was listening to Bill Simmons and he made a great point. first of all, there are like two teams coming. There's a Toronto WMBA team coming, which is cool, and a Golden State NBA team. And one of them, I think the Golden State team is called the Valkyries. What is a Valkyrie? Who knows? Isn't there a movie called Valkyrii?

The point that Simmons made or his guest, and I don't remember because I was asleep. I listened to that show when I'm asleep, was they should have named the teams the same as the NBA team, and it's just the WMBA. Well, that would be confusing. No, it wouldn't be. We'd actually know the team.

We'd know what their mascot is. We'd know who to root for. Oh, dude. I saw the rockets last night. already being allegiance to the WMBA team as well. Which Rockets team did you see? The girls are the guys. I didn't say that.

No, I'm saying that's what it would be like. No, dude, the bulls were freaking so good last night. Wait, which one? The guys are the girls? I thought you were, I could have swore you asked that question and then you answered it. And I was like, I didn't ask them. No, but don't you see how confusing it would be? No, because college basketball, they're the two Arkansas Razorback teams.

Which one? That's never a question. Every college team has the same as. Oh, my God. Gosh, do the Celtics were so freaking amazing. Wait, who are you talking about? You wouldn't do that. You'd call them like the W Celtics or the WMBA Celtics.

Just the same thing you do in college. Because they don't change. Lady Celtics? Sure. Some would be that. Some would be. Okay. And the seasons hardly overlap, Eddie.

But not Eddie. What are you talking about, though? Right now it's overlapping. I know. Who are you talking about? It's game one in the playoffs. The Thunder? No.

Shut up. Oh, the nuggets. Or it could be like even my version of this, a slight spin-off of it, like the Lightning. The Oklahoma City Lightning. Okay, Thunder and Lightning. That's better. The Golden State Warriors are the Warriorsets.

Celtics and Lepricanas. Leparcones. Something. There's something there. The Celtics. Okay. Good. But even the Lady Celtics works because you'll sell more gear.

Yeah. So I agree with that point. Kevin, you agree with this? Yeah, that's cool. I think that sounds cool, too. I'm into it. I like it. I had a good time watching the game.

Now every team, every WMBA team doesn't, or city doesn't have a, it's not the same. Far fewer teams. The WMBA also loses a lot of money. The NBA pays for the WMBA. And I talked about it on the big show because people were upset that Kailin Clark's making like $300,000 a year. The WMBA loses money.

You don't pay somebody the same at a company that there's a star in it and the company makes a ton of money versus a company that loses a ton of money. is a ton of money. They don't have the money to pay. And they're now getting charter flights, which was kind of weird that they weren't. But if the company's not making money, let's take away the sports part of it.

If the company's not making money, they don't have money to spend on things like charter flights. Charter flights, so before they were just flying individually? Like, all right, see you guys in Vegas. You'd see them on Southwest and B7. Oh, man. Spirit. That's tough. So, I like it because I care. It makes me care about the WMBA. It is cool.

And they were talking about the national televised games coming up. And they were like, the national televised games, let's go to the schedule. And it was like, Caitlin Clark, the Indiana fever, play this on ABC.

Caitlin Clark and the Indiana fever, they play this on ESPN. Over on the Ion channel, New York plays. I'm like, I don't know what Ion is. That is not a nationally televised game. Ion,

Ion usually has like cold case files. Then they'd be like on Disney Plus, Caitlin Clark in the Indiana fever. That's messed up, man. Nickelodey. These players that are like sub-tweeting or taking shots of Caitlin Clark

out, it's so dumb. Because they're, they're, I get it, they're jealous. They're jealous, it's not them. They may be, maybe a better player, whatever the case is. But they're cutting off their nose despite their face. It would be like, Eddie, you getting on this show or the big show, and just going off and being like,

Amy is the worst person. And she's not, but Amy like spits on orphans. Amy steals money from old people. But I'd be like, why would you be doing that? Because you're hurting the whole show. Yeah, because they're all in the WMBA together. Yeah, and if one drops out, it hurts, it affects you. Right.

She is bringing in eyeballs to your league. I watched the whole game. I didn't even bet on it. Give me a pen and rose on my nose. Good job, dude. You never do that. I know. I didn't know if I, I forgot to, I forgot to.

But she did score 20 points, had like three or four assists. It probably wasn't her best game. Ten turnovers. Five of them probably were real. That's crazy that 20 points isn't her best game. She got it mostly late. Yeah. Other news,

freaking Doug Gottlieb is the coach at University of Green Bay, Wisconsin. He saw that. He's not the head basketball coach. Oh, wow. We're going to play a whole interview back with him coming up in just a minute. But he got the head, you didn't see that? No, I didn't see that at all. He got the head coaching job.

Now, his dad was the coach at Milwaukee. He apparently Gottlieb was born in Wisconsin. But Gottlieb played at Oklahoma State. He's now on Fox Sports. He's been a guest on our show. But he's going to go be the head coach. No head coaching experience. Wow.

Has been an assistant for like the World Games. no head coaching experience was a consultant for Oklahoma State this last year but like is one of the top 10 assist givers of all time in college basketball I think he'll do well

because I think that job now is very much because he's going to be X as and O's for sure but it's very much can you raise money for NIL and he'll be able to I like Doug a lot but I saw the headline

radio host gets Division I one college coaching job and I was like there's I can coach Like it gave me hope The door is open It gave me hope But I'm super happy for him You're like coach Cal

You need me Kevin what were your thoughts I was surprised Just because he's doing so well In the radio world Going on right now media And then it was just kind of like Out of nowhere

Because he lives in L.A That's where he does a Fox Sports stuff And then all of a sudden Wisconsin But you can always go back To radio No no you're not knowing the best part In his coaching contract

It has been said He can still do his radio show every day that's the best. How's he going to have time to do that? That's when I was like, okay, he's doing it. I try to do like eight things at once and, you know, sometimes I get a little burnt in certain areas. But if first year, coach,

that's awesome if he can pull it off because that means I can do this. We had to go through the legal part of seeing if I could run for office and be on the show. I had to go through all the attorneys. Yeah, that's got to be tough. When I was going to run for governor of Arkansas. And because of certain legalities, I could have stayed on the air everywhere but, Arkansas.

And what about what you're talking about, the content and all that? Doesn't matter. Wow. Doesn't matter. Because I was running in Arkansas was not going to be able to stay on the air, on the public airwaves in Arkansas because it was unfair. But I could have stayed doing the entire national show. I think people sometimes, and they don't because I, I didn't want to push it

more than I did. But it was a lot closer to happening than I probably let on it happening publicly. Like I bought a house in Arkansas. And I had enough, I lived there for seven years. I lived there for the first 22 years in my life. So I had seven consecutive years in, but I was like, I need to have a residence because the first thing that's going to be,

you don't even live here. Yes, I do. It's like my balls. Right here, here's my house. There you go. That's your governor. I was looking forward to being lieutenant governor, man. Yeah, that's not really how that works,

but that would have been fun. That'd have been fun. And then Kevin would have been the treasurer. I'm going to mess. Oh. No. Numbers ain't my thing. I'm going to mess.

message Doug now. That's what I didn't say. We need to get him back on. Well, I didn't want to hit him now because I figured there's a lot going on. I want to audio message him. Hey, buddy. I know it's early out there. Just want to say congrats on the job. When it said a radio host is now a D1 coach. I was like, now there's hope for me.

I'm taking over the Razor Backset for Calipari. Congratulations. I bet it's going to be awesome. I bet you're going to raise a ton of money, NIL-wise. Let me know if you ever want to come on the show. I'm not hitting you up for a guest. I'm out of town anyway. But I just want to say congratulations and I hope you're good.

It's super cool to see you, man. So I get a couple extra coats. As you know, it's freaking cold up there. All right, see you, bud. That's pretty cool, man. I think that was one of my biggest shockers. I was like, dang, he's going back to Wisconsin from LA. Yeah.

That's a... It's cold. That's a tough move. I don't think they could be the Wisconsin suns. No. No, even though the sun does shine there? I know. Wisconsin snow?

Blizzards. Yes. Okay, let's take a quick break and I got some more stuff to talk about. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free.

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. Jared Gough gets paid. You know, I think the debate was, was it going to be a four guy or a five guy? He's a five guy. He got 50 million bucks. Good for him. Four years, $212 million, 170 guaranteed. Yes.

Jared Golf's good. Yeah, I'd say he's Mr. Reliable. Like, you want him on your team. I would say he's top 12 quarterback. Yeah, maybe top 10. I mean, listen, he played in a Super Bowl. He's been to two NFC championship games. He's better than DAC is.

Okay. Didn't need to say that, but I mean, there's a lot of other quarterbacks. Eddie said that about it. But I'm saying that because DAC gets a lot of, it's freaking Dak Prescott. But DAC has. I don't think that gets a lot of its freaking Dak Prescott. They do. And it's like the big controversy is, should Dak get paid $50 million a year?

Sure. He hasn't done near what Jared Gough has. Eddie, would you rather have Jared Gough on the Cowboys team right now? You love Dak, admit it. I love Dak. I like Dak. I like Dak. You cannot lie.

But I just, but if you're comparing the two, I think everybody's head goes Dak over Goff. Sure. But Dak hasn't done near what Goff has done. And Goff is solid. He's a solid, solid quarterback. I think Goff is good. Not solid.

I think he's good. And he looks like Ryan Goslin. He does. If they were to ever make a movie about a Jared Goff, it'd be Ryan Goslin playing him. The Lions. Did we talk about I saw his bachelor up party in Mexico? No.

Please talk about this. Is this awesome? Talk about that or no? No, you told me, Kevin. Tell the story. Tell, phone. I don't know. Go ahead.

Okay, so when I was in Mexico last month, because yeah, we weren't even doing whistles at the time. And we were in Cabo, and we were at this beach club, beach party thing going on, and we walked by this table full of girls. There was like 10, 12, obviously beautiful girls. And we looked down at the table, and all of a sudden we see like a cutout, you know, that had a big cardboard cut out on a stick. And it's Jared Gough's face.

And I looked down, and then I look back up. And I'm like, yeah, these girls kind of look like NFL wives, actually. and then one of the girl looked, she looks at me and I'm like, is this Jared Goff's, you know, bachelor's at the wife's party? No. It was a picture of him on a stick. Got it.

But it was fiancee. She was having a bachelor at the same place as us, and we were with them, and then she turns to me and she's like, yeah. I mean, she kind of gives me like a dirty look. And then I was just like, all right, never mind, turn back around. And then she turns back around

and flips the cardboard cutout of his face over so we can't look at it anymore. Like, go away, basically, is what she was saying to us. And I was like, don't put his cardboard face or his face on a cardboard cutout if you don't want people to know who you are. Yeah, I would think that's her going,

please don't record this. More so than I hate you. Because obviously, they're just trying to have a fun bachelor's at party. He's semi-high profile. And now somebody recognizes it. I think I would be, I would also be willing to bet,

wasn't there, can't confirm it, that you interpreted her look a bit wrong. Oh, really? Not just being like, I hate you, you stupid idiot. Nobody likes you or your show. When I first heard the story, I took it as like, oh, here we go. Sports fans.

Like, oh, they're going to bother us. I took it as, oh, God, we better not be crazy or do anything that we'll regret because somebody's recognized us now. You think they cared about that, Kevin? Like, were they being crazy? Well, they flipped the thing, of course. They flipped the thing. Well, I mean, what was she up on the stage dancing at the time?

Maybe. Right. And she should be able to go out and have fun. Yeah. I agree. I agree. And we didn't, like, obviously, I didn't bust out my phone. or anything like that.

But then there was a couple behind us that said they did the same thing to them too so I think they were... I don't know. Kevin's right though. ...face on a cardboard cutout. Don't do that if you don't want to anyone to associate...

But also if you're in Mexico and one of their friends brought it, I'm sure she didn't bring the cardboard cut out. Yeah, I do want it to be clear. It wasn't his fiance that gave me the look right. I don't know who it was. Oh, then even better

because that person's just like being protective trying to protect her friend. Right. Yeah. So that's on you, Kevin. You're the douche. You shouldn't have stared at the cardboard cutout should have let them live their life.

Kevin, did you follow them for the rest of the night? No. No, I did go on their Instagram and I saw they were on like a private boat after that. I was like, yeah, okay, never mind. That's all you. That's legit. ESPN reveals their 30 for 30 summer slate. Come on.

And I can read you what they are. Be honest with you. Not a lot of interest from me. Oh, really? I don't even know what some of this is. Aren't they on like, I know it's 30 for 30. Aren't they on like 180 for 30 at this point? Yeah, but there's still a lot of great stories out there, right?

Yeah, but I mean it's 30 for 30. right 25 whistles we're on episode 140 we do 25 new ones every season okay then we do bonus maybe more

so I'm just here for the riot we'll look at the 2011 Vancouver riot following a Canucks lost to the Boston Bruins don't remember that yeah do you remember that Kevin

being a Boston guy no false positive the story of Butch Reynolds a major track and field star and his efforts to clear his name after testing positive

for drugs in Monaco in 1990 don't remember that I don't know that. Wasn't alive. And it's not just that I don't know it. That doesn't even draw me in these stories. I mean, if there's nothing else on, but there's always something on now because you have to be streaming.

No scope. The story of Fase A Clown, the ups and downs of the gaming brand. And I don't know if I'm saying it right. Faze Clan or Fasei Clan. I don't know. The gaming brand. So I'm sure a different audience will come to that.

Not really me. What brand? Fase Clon. Faze Clon. What game? I don't know. Interesting. Here's one, though,

that I do find a little bit interesting. Dude Perfect, a very long shot will follow the rise of trick shot YouTubers Dude Perfect. I like that one. That would be kind of cool to see how they, not how, but when it happened and how they started to build that.

You know, one of those guys DM'd me. The main one with the beard? I just say Dude Perfect is one dude. No, there's like four of them. Oh, I know, but I only know one dude, the face of it. I don't even know who the guy was, but he DM'd me like maybe 10 years ago and said he was a big fan of our show and he look but this was a long time ago and I just kind of ignored it because I didn't

really know who dude perfect was but do my kids still watch dude perfect and it's every generation of my kids like the first my 16 year old used to watch dude perfect to now my five year old loves dude perfect it has inspired a bunch of copycatters or just people it's not copycatters it's fair because everybody kind of takes from everybody in art and this is like sport meets art but but uh but uh the dude perfect guys had like a side stream of a game on like ESPN too. Oh, they did? Yeah.

It's like they'd watch a game, but they'd be the ones like Peyton and Eli do or McAfee. Oh, I have seen that. Maybe on Amazon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's really cool what they've been able to build over there.

And I feel like they're kind of like fast and furious too where if they keep going, this is going to be like, all right, can we make this shot from the moon? Yeah. Can we make the shot before I die? Right. There's a gun pointing right at my head.

If I don't make it in the next hour, it shoots me. Yeah, Russian roulette. American Son chronicles the journey of tennis prodigy Michael Chang. and is upset of Yvonne Lindel in the 1989 French Open. That's a long time ago, man. Yeah, I just, my American tennis is pretty much Sampras and Roddick and Agassi. That's about it.

That's about it. And I just didn't lead with Roddick because he's my friend. But Roddick was a big freaking deal. He hosted SNL. Oh, I didn't realize that. It's funny to watch back. Yeah. Who was his musical guest?

Do you remember? That's really cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, he hosted SNL. You know, he dated Mandy Moore, a big pop culture thing. him and I didn't become friends until 2005? I was going to guess five or six.

I mean my guess. And so he was, he had been number one for a long time, but I did not become friend, friends with him until after he won the U.S. Open. So it wasn't there for him. He was 19 when he won the U.S. Open. Yeah, he's so young.

But I was there for a lot of the Wimbledon final against Roger Federer losses. Those were tough. That was towards the end? Those were tough. I mean, it was this whole, I think he lost like five or six Wimbledon championships. Like, think about that.

You go to the, it's like getting, it's like the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. Think about going to four Super Bowls and one losing all four. It's so close. Golly. Those are the new ESPN 30 for 30s. Yeah, I'm with you, man, a little underwhelmed. Not looking forward to those, really.

Don't think I'll watch them. What did you say? Dave Matthews was his musical guest. Oh, is that why they're buddies? I don't know. Okay, that makes sense. Well, so much to say. So much to say.

We have like 90 seconds left before we get into a little spot. And I want to play the Doug Gottlieb interview back because he does talk about a lot of his career in sports. Why don't we do this? Let's do that first and then we'll do an end. Doug, what's up, man? All good, man. Hey, I was looking at the Wikipedia for all-time assist leaders. And I had known that you were one of the top 10 NCAA assist leaders of all time.

I would just be obsessed with making sure that nobody was coming up on me. Do you look and see who's approaching so you don't get knocked off the top of the list? It's like the guys that are good enough usually go pro. You know, these COVID-year guys, you're worried about guys getting fifth and six years coming up, beating you. Oh, yeah. Last year, Noel, whatever, from Kansas State. Marquise. Yeah, Marquise Noel?

He was getting really close to my single season in the Big 12. And had they won in the elite eight, I was cooked. And he was like really close. I think he finished like three short of me. So I hadn't been in that position before, but I was like, yeah, dude. Like, anybody who says they don't give a shit about their records is full of shit. You know, like, you want something for posterity. I used to be seventh, and the guy who's sixth is Greg Anthony.

I was literally three short of him. He played a whole bunch more games than I did because they went to, they won a national championship and they went to the national semifinals, right? But like, I'm still bitter because my junior year, I led the country and assist, I was in the doghouse for eight games. So I actually, in overall average, that was the fewest minutes per game I played in my career. And so, obviously, had I not been the doghouse or my coach just, like, benched me for a game, or not played me for a game.

Like, you benched me just like one game, you don't play. It wouldn't hurt my average, but it would hurt my average, but I wouldn't hurt my average, but my overall total would have been lower. But I went through a stretch for us, but like eight or ten minutes. Anyway, so then you're like, if he hadn't done that to me, I would have been like third or fourth all time, you know? So there's a, yes, I definitely pay attention to it. I'm not going to lie to you. I saw Gary Payton is below.

That's pretty cool. You're above Gary Payton. Yeah, but he did all kinds of other. It doesn't matter. I just see a list. And Gary Payton is. Yeah, who cares. So a big fan, been listening to you forever, obviously.

We've established kind of a personal relationship as well. So I really appreciate you coming on here. A couple things I wanted to talk with you about, first of all, is being an assist guy, did you ever feel like teams knew you wouldn't shoot? They're like, they would just back off. And do you feel like you had to then have games where you would prove you could still put up 15 to 20? Yeah, but I couldn't. There was like three games.

So, I mean, it's really interesting because, like, forever in the Big 12, I'll be known as a guy that could make every pass, but, you know, couldn't throw it in the ocean. And my last Big 12 tournament game, we played Iowa State. That Iowa State team was probably the second best team in the country that year. They lost to Michigan State in the elite eight who ultimately won the national championship. And Iowa State, Larry Ustacey was the coach, and he tells everybody to this day. And there's other guys that are head coaches who are assistants on that staff. But I'll tell you that their whole game plan was not just to let me shoot,

but also when I drive, they'd fake and then make me finish. Because I got to this point to where, like, all I did was pass. you know it was like um it was like the yips at first and then it just kind of took over my game and it was it was literally playing without a jump shot it was really hard and there were a couple of the games where it went away where the like anxiety of it went away and like i had 19 against southern miss i had my last home game against oklahoma i had two big threes we played a kansas i had a couple big threes but generally i just mentally emotionally emotionally couldn't get myself up to relax shooting and everybody in the league knew it.

So it was really, it's actually like you asked people like what I was able to accomplish, especially like my senior year, is kind of gratifying because literally played without a jump shot. And that's hard. It's like living without one of your senses. So all the rest of your senses become heightened, but that one sense is really, really hard to play without it. Do you feel like you lost your shot as you got older and special? specialized more, meaning in high school, could you fill it up better?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have been recruited and been rated as highly as I was if I couldn't shoot. I mean, I was never a step curry. But I patterned my game after Bobby Hurley. And, you know, he got to be a better, better shooter in college. I was a, I score. I was the all-time league score in my high school. I had 44 in a game. I could shoot and score well enough. but I'm ultimately a bit of, I think, a control freak. And so part of what happened early in my career and then at Notre Dame and then at Oklahoma State was, you know, I wanted to control who got the shots and kind of be the hero by creating opportunities for my teammates. And I also, I got big and strong and I think I lost some of my touch. And then when I lost some of my touch and I was trying to control things, you know, then your shooting percentages go down and down and down.

And then you just kind of get in this mentality of, okay, if I just do what I can do best, and if I don't miss a shot, I'll never come out of the game. I hated coming out of games. And it worked against me because I figured if I don't miss, well, he can't take me out. So if I don't shoot, I can't miss. So I just wouldn't shoot. And then ultimately people would dare me to shoot. And then it became really difficult.

I don't know if I'm making sense to you. No, you are. Would they ever talk trash and be like, hey, hey, you can't shoot, shoot it? Every game. Really. Every game. Every game. And it's that, you know, you sit there and literally the hardest thing to do, I think,

is you're wide open every time you get. It's like Ben Simmons, how they guard him. He's like, you're open. You can shoot the ball anytime you want. And it's technically an open shot. You know? And again, this is also, remember, this is in like 99, 2000. So my, like, my coach at the time were like, take it in and get a better shot.

Like it's actually a better shot to shoot a three, right? Where you can make, if you make, you know, three out of ten, it's, it's equally as good as making, you know, four out of ten or five out of ten twos. And so I, you know, if I could go back and do it, I would have sat down on my coach, be like, look, man, you've got to let me do, let me shoot when I'm open. Don't take me out. Take me out when I turn down open shots. And if I make a couple, everything else will open up.

But I didn't. You know, I was intimidated and I was in my own head. And, you know, it became really, really hard. And I take a personal sort of pride from it. You know, the way I tried to work it in my mind was if I sucked athletically or if I sucked at others, they wouldn't play off me, right? There'd be no fear of me, period. But the reality is it's hard for me even go back and watch or show my kid the way I played because it's kind of,

kind of embarrassing when guys playing five feet off you and you don't shoot. Could you go back and take tape and appeal and be like, no, this was an assist. You guys did not count it. I need to move up the list. Here's two assists from this game because I'll be doing that crap. It's a great question. And the answer is one time. So we played against UNLV.

And a really, a guy just become a really good friend of mine. He's name is Mark Dickel. And Mark was their point guard. And so we played them my junior year and we stomped them. And that was when I came out of the dog. I was in the doghouse. I was going to leave the team, and I had a great game in Vegas. And as chance would happen, we played them again my senior year also in Vegas.

And so we get down, we'd molly wamp them. And I remember I'd always grab the stat sheet half time and after the game. And I grabbed a statute and I had like four assists. And I was like, what the, you know, this is some bull. and our other our assistant coach was my coach's son his name sean sutton who was also point guard and he's like oh that's some you know like so we actually went back and i was and i know in my mind about how many i had like i was like i think i had 13 or 14 and we went back and like literally by definition of assist it was like 12 and um and i was trying to you know i was trying to lead the country

again. I was trying to get the all-time mark, which is Bobby Gurley's mark, which is probably out of reach. So we sent it back. We sent it to the NCAA and they get, I think they gave me nine. They gave me nine assists. So that was the only time we ever did that. And really, like, here's how crazy in what a small world Oklahoma State is. And you know this from your time with your TV show and go into all these small college towns, right? Is, the guy who kept stats at Oklahoma State is named Lee Manzer. Lee's son, Rendon played there. Lee was my marketing professor.

Matter of fact, my last course that I had to take, I took correspondence. My senior year, I had three hours left, and it took me four years to complete it. But, like, he was a hard ass, not just, like, literally correspondence courses. He could have just gave me a C or whatever. I had to do all the work. but it was the same way with statting. Like, my stats weren't great at home all the time. They weren't, it wasn't like they pumped up my stats.

I had my marketing professor who was screwing me with my stats. So I, now would you get screwed on the road, but at home, like Lee Manzer was by the book, an assist, I'm not giving you extras. And so if you go back and watch tape, there'd be passes where I turn and I point to my marketing professor who's keeping the stats for our team. That's a real story. Just to remind him, hey, Lee.

Don't miss that. That's exactly what I do. That's an assist. That's funny. He'd do like, no, that's not an assist. Doug Gottlieb show. A basketball leads directly to a basket.

That's the definition of it. The podcast is really good. It's all ball with Doug Gottlieb, and you can listen to it on IHart Radio wherever you listen to your podcasts or the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, three to five Eastern. So a couple things I wanted to talk about. Can I ask you a question?

I ask you a question. You know, okay. Come on. Let me just ask you one question. Okay, I'm ready. Okay. So I've said this like, Boise is the best city that you'll never visit.

Yes. Right? To a lot of people. Yes. Okay. And there's Charleston's like that. There's a lot of places like that. And you've traveled this entire country.

Heck, I know you travel the world. So here's a legit question. All these college towns you've been to. Where's the place you're like, kind of wish I would have gone here. I mean, this, if I could go back and pick a place, this would be the place.

It's funny you bring up Boise because, Eddie, What do I say about Boise? Boise, man, it's wonderful. What do I say it's better then? Oh, it's another country. No, Hawaii. Hawaii, that's right. That's right.

It's not another country. It's not a state. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, if I got to pick. Feels like another country. I, when I spent time there, when I was doing my Nat Geo show, I had no idea how versatile that city is. It doesn't matter what you want to do.

There's some cosmopolitan part of it. There's the outdoors part of it. There's the traditional sports part. Boise was awesome. A little too cold for me, but I, often I'm like, Boise is better than Hawaii, to me. I've been to Hawaii a bunch and I don't even like the beach. I know you're from California.

I don't like, I'll grow up in Arkansas. We didn't have a beach. I don't like the beach. I don't even know what you do. You sit there in the sand. Okay. What do I do now? Yeah, I mean, Lake, honestly, Lake, in many ways to be better than beach.

I'm not going to lie to you there. Yeah. You catch you. Because it's warmer. Yeah, there's a lot of things. Plus, like, super fear of dying for me in, like, waves. So I'm the guy who grew up in Orange County. I suck at surfing. My son laughs it means as I'm the worst. But I'm kind of with you. I mean,

Hawaii does have incredible hikes, you know, and different topography than we have. Time zones are too screwed off in Hawaii. Can't work there. Yeah, the time zone is really hard. So, Boise is good. I think Madison, Wisconsin's awesome. If it just wasn't so cold there. I mean, we went, did a show at the Orphium there once. And it was winter. And we had winter in Arkansas. We had seasons. However, we didn't have lakes that froze over and jeeps would drive on them. We pulled over the car and Eddie wanted to go walk out on the lake because it was just frozen.

I'm from South Texas, man. I've never seen anything like that. That to me was bizarre. It was awesome. So Madison is a really cool town. I like passion. I like almost rabid passion. Athens, Georgia, and I'm not saying it because Georgia is good.

I like the climate and I like the music scene. I think Athens, Georgia, Fayetteville, obviously, is my favorite. but Athens, Georgia is probably number one with Boise. You? And I've been to so many places. Urban ones, the most underrated urban one, I think, is the University of Washington. Because Seattle feels like a different country. You're like, damn, this is really far from the rest of the country.

But it's close enough to the city. You have the water right there. it's a cool looking campus that's I think my most underrated urban one in terms of like college town or place that I could I could totally dig like I love Austin I don't think I could go to school in Austin

I just feel like I don't know there's so much other stuff going on I love at Oklahoma State how it was just all about school New Mexico's kind of underrated to be totally honest with you I like Utah State in Logan Utah

that's actually a super the cash valley again i know you don't like cold actually very hot warm in the summer and kind of smoggy and it's like i think it's the smogiest place in the country love pollution warm me up let's go global warming baby it's it it's really um but if i was going to pick one that i was like man if i could do it all over again i think it would probably be tuscaloosa no way you're out of your mind you're out of your mind well i i took a visit to tuscalo when this was before they were really good in football. I had transferred from Notre Dame and I was sitting out of junior college and I went there. And they had, I'm Jewish and they had the Jewish between the Sammies threw me a party just for me.

I had my own female escort to the party. It was so cool. Like just the, I don't know, how they do it in the South is really cool. The only issue I have was schools in the South is that they care about. basketball and the big games, but they kind of don't give a crap most of the year. Whereas when I was at Oklahoma State, like, we kind of ran the school and that was very, very cool. Maybe Tuscaloosa for both of us is just associated with an emotion. I just associated with getting the crap kicked out of me every time we go down and play football.

Like I have to go stand amongst the statues. Here are the place we don't. Wait, wait, wait. Go ahead. I'm going to switch. I want to switch. Ole Miss. Yeah, Ole Miss is awesome.

Oxford's awesome. I just because like you go, it's like going back in time when you go to the, they're a little town square. It's so cool. It's a little rich for me. Not like cake, like money. And like I didn't have money for most of my life.

And it was like all rich people and like fraternities and sororities. But yeah, Oxford's cool. It is. It definitely is. I will point out, Bobby. I don't know if you know this. But you are rich now. Now, yes. But I still,

I still feel like I'm not for the most part. He's not talking about cake either. No, right. Yeah, no. No, look, I get it. Like, I remember when I went to Notre Dame my freshman year, and, you know, people can Google. It's not hard to find. Like, I screwed up, but it's stupid stupid stuff.

But I love some of the spirit of it, but I did feel like, obviously, I had never been to a private school. I wasn't Catholic. But more than anything, there was a lot of affluence there. And I was just a kid from Orange, California. And it was, I'm not saying like, I was. walked uphill to school, barefoot, butt naked, in the snow. You know, it's uphill both ways. But I didn't count from a ton.

And I just felt like, I remember they had J-Crew catalogs that got delivered to our entire dorm. And dudes to get the J-Q catalog, and they just go through and this is what I want. And they would tell their mom, whatever, and they ordered. And it's like, I didn't even know what Jake Crew was. Like, literally had one pair of jeans and had my mom got me this horrendous LLBN parka, green LLBN parka. and that was like my winter coat, and I anytime was below 50. You talked about Madison and weather.

What people don't know about being by the lake, especially on the other side of Lake Michigan, is it's not just lake effect snow. You get lake effect overcast weather. So I mean, I remember not seeing the sun for the entire month of November. Like literally the sun never came out. Late October, November, and in December,

and then it got cold and snowy, and it really kind of affected you mentally. So that's the part of that side of it. That's why I didn't play football in the Big Ten. Oh, that's it. Because it was too cold for me. I just didn't feel like for me that was, you know, the ingredients weren't there. So speaking of football, a couple things here, because I listen to you and you have no fear, which I admire in just giving your opinion.

And if you're wrong, going, hey, you know, way back then, I was kind of wrong. But so I like that because sometimes I struggle with saying I'm wrong. I just forget I ever said it. I'm like, nope, never heard of it. So let's talk for a second about C.J. Stroud. Now, what did you think of C.J. Stroud when he was drafted by the Texans? And then what do you think of him now? And what's the difference in your mind on what he can do, his ceiling?

Okay, so we all carry, like, biases, right, against guys. And the problem is he went to Ohio State and how many Ohio State quarterback's we've seen that they're throwing the guys who are wide open, you know, so like how much skill does it take when you have, it's like the old back when USC was rolling and Carson Palmer was great. Matt Liner wasn't a good college wasn't a great pro quarterback. Why? Because like in the pros, you've got to throw guys open. You don't have better players than everybody else. So I think part of the CJ Stroud thing was like the quarterback, the two quarterbacks before him had both put up ridiculous numbers and weren't good pros.

And you're watching a guy, he didn't move around a ton. And he was just kind of okay, again, based upon the billing last year. Meanwhile, Bryce Young, I saw play in high school. I live close to Modder Day. I have friends that are there. And he's always been seen as this like quarterback savant, can read defenses, can move around and throw. And he's tiny.

He's, he's, by NFL standards, he's an umpalumpa. You know, he's not part of the lollipop game. And I thought, okay, well, outside of him being small, and there's been small guys, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Drew Brees, maybe he can do it because he has all these other things. Where his CJ Strout is bigger, stronger, but like, does he move that well? Is he really that good? Is it just that Ohio State has way better players than everybody else?

Ohio State has this like, it's like Alabama. They have all these great wide receivers, and they're just better than nine of the ten opponents they play. So I carried that against him, and I was like, I don't get it. I don't see him being star. What's his ceiling? I mean, I don't know if he can be a superstar,

but you can't do anything in the NFL unless you have a dude back there, a guy you can count on, a guy that can play, can deliver the mail. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rogers. He doesn't have to be Pat Mahomes, but he can't be one of these guys that stinks. He can't be Zach Wilson. He can't be a guy. And then the real magic to building a team in the NFL is,

You got to do it during years two, three, and four of their rookie contract because they don't make much money. And then you can build a whole roster around them. Houston has that. So that's where I do two things though, Bobby. I want to make sure I point this out. I will say that I'm wrong, but I also don't hate saying when I was right. I'm really good at that second part. Everybody else like, you know, I don't want to be that guy.

No, I like being that guy that says, no, I like to say I told yourself. That's what it works for me. The situation in Michigan right now, is this going to get worse before it gets better, or will we just look back at this and laugh in three years? I think we'll look back and laugh at three years. It's stupid. It's stupid. You know, I mean, look, was there hubris? Is that why they sent some ex-marine out on the road to go and, yeah, and like he put everything under his own name?

Like, they weren't even trying to hide it. But, like, this idea of advanced scouting, I mean, I don't know if you. know this story, Mike Leach, the late Mike Leach, who of course was at Mississippi State, Washington State, and Texas Tech. There's a story you can Google it and see it online. He was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma, Bob Stoops' first year, 1999, 2000, and they beat Texas. And the famous story was they left a scatter report mistakenly on the field at the Cotton Bowl before the game, and then they knew Texas thought things were coming and they did the opposite. This stuff's been happening like I played football growing up and I remember like we used to line up with our backs to

the other team in case they were spying us. High school football teams think somebody's spying them. So everybody assumes somebody's looking and trying to find your signals. You know, basketball teams, they use copy or they go to a tournament and they find your hand signals and your calls. They wouldn't have three different signs and guys, you know, you know, doing the Larry Mo and Curley if they didn't think somebody was sick. I just, I think part of it is people don't really like Harbaugh. Part of it is there is a ton of arrogance there with Michigan. And part of it is like we've crept in this era now where everybody has a cell phone.

So there's no real secrets. And we knew this was going on. And there's counterintelligence going on as well. it looks bad. They're holding a hardball out. And I'm only interested in what happens against Ohio State. If that somehow changes the tenor of the game. I don't think he makes play calls.

I don't think he does a ton game day outside of that one decision. Do we go for it? Do we not go for? Do we punt here? Do we go for it? You know, like the last and final word you're missing. And the adjustments at halftime for a guy who, you know, played at every level and played well. And then as coached at every level and coached well.

So I think those things you are missing. But yeah, we're going to look back and go, really? You know, it's like, you know this. The SEC was buying kids long before NIL. Like, that's the best advantage you can have. Have better players than the other team. Whereas the Big Ten, like, this is cheating. The SEC has to be laughing at the Big Ten.

The Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, Monday through Friday, 35 Eastern, and all ball with Doug Gottlieb. Great podcast on IHart Radio, wherever you get your podcasts. Doug Massive fan. the time. I listen basically every day. I want in studio. I want to be one of the mienians in studio. If you come, you don't live here, but you can come whenever you want. So whenever you're here, just come in. All right. That's all. Done deal. I'm a fan as well. I wouldn't have reached out if I didn't love you. So thanks, Bobby. Well, Doug, appreciate the time, buddy. See you later.

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That's like Reba and I on that wall. Upside down? Yeah, I'm in the upside down. The alternate universe? I'm backstage the whole time talking with people and they just throw to me constantly. That's cool. So yeah, I'm in the upside down. You get to hang out with people and you're not like in the formal area.

You're backstage. Yeah, it is nice because I don't want to be with anybody. Right. Hey, and so I thought about this. Instead of signing a card or anything like that. I'm not getting the Cowboys to sign anything. Hold it. I don't even know there'll be any there.

But if that, maybe Cooper Beebe will be there, dude, you know? Like, you got Cal, you're in Friscoe Texas. I go to Cooper and be like, what up, buddy, because that's our Kansas State guy. For sure. Can you just do a video real quick? Like, hey, Dak, Dak, wherever it was my buddy Eddie. Just say, what's up? Okay.

If it is not completely weird, I would do that. Okay. But I never want to be like I'm the extreme super fan that makes it uncomfortable for them to be around me. But you can blame it on me. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.

I can't. Man, my buddy, Bobby. He wants you to say this. He's dying. Yeah. Your buddy Bobby? But your name's Bobby. It's another Bobby.

As a friend of my name Bobby. Okay. Okay, my final thoughts are I'm off to Dallas. I'll look for the Cowboys. Thank you. I can't. W&B, fun to watch. I'll watch another game with Caitlin Clark. Yeah.

It's good. Don't be haters of Caitlin Clark. That's what I'll leave with you. Now my timberwolves are letting me down. Oh my God. I forgot to mention that. What is happening? Yep.

Let's go. No. No, I told you guys. They were done in 02. That was the one team I would have bet. Denver. I bet them. 100 bucks for 1700.

What is going on? Also, too, on some. of the games. Oh, it sucks for you, dude. I'm sorry. That's okay. Listen, the Pacers, I think it's so funny is, dude, they're trying to fight. They want to fight the whole game. And my favorite thing is, remember that girl coach, Kevin, the assistant? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that we saw. Yeah, she gets in the middle of every fight and it's so fun to see the big guys go, I'm going to kill you, and then the coach gets in the way. Oh, all right, I'll settle down. I'll settle down. It's like the mom getting in the middle. Yes, I love it. My cash out, so I bet a hundred bucks on the

Nuggets when they were down 02 to win the whole thing. $100 to win $1,700. My cashout's $400 right now. Cash out, man. I'm not cashed. It could all change. I'm not cashing out. It could all change.

You see the guy that had bet the parlay, it was like the Chiefs, something, and the Thunder. And when they went down one two to one, I think he cashed out. What was the cash out? At one point, I saw it. It was at like almost $200,000. for 1.7 million if Oklahoma City Thunder wins it. But then they lost, went down to like 80 grandies. Like, I'm catching out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they won again. I know. And I was kicking himself. Okay, Eddie, good. Kevin. Celtics, got to close it out. Yeah, they will.

Good luck. Yeah, they will. I hope. They will. Wait, wait, Celtics or Celtics? No, Celtics are the lady too. Yeah, the lady, not the Lady Celtics, the Celtics, the Boston Celtics, Jason Tatum, let's go.

I hope they close it out because I don't want them to bring poor Zingis back until he's fully healthy. And they're not going to rush it back if they don't have to. So I hope they close it out. And it's going to be fun to watch Boston and New York play each other. Ooh, that's going to be a wild one. That's just going to be scrappy. Oh, yeah.

New York's going to riot. Indiana's still in the mix. Yeah. It's not looking good. It's not looking good. And also go Razorback Softball, the plan this week. Cool. Regional tournament.

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