The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Eddie Apologizes to Kickoff Kevin for Bullying Him + NHL Analyst Pierre McGuire on the Significance of Team USA Winning Gold + Tim Hardaway Sr on Going from Zero D1 Offers to the NBA Hall of Fame

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

Eddie finally owns up to it—apologizing to Kickoff Kevin for the bullying he feels him and Bobby have been doing about his tattoo. Then, NHL analyst Pierre McGuire breaks down what Team USA’s gold medal really means on the global stage, why this win hits different, and how it could shift the sport’s future. Plus, Tim Hardaway Sr joins us to talk about going from zero Division I offers to the NBA Hall of Fame, the mindset that carried him through rejection, and the lessons today’s players still need to hear. It’s accountability, legacy, and redemption—all in one episode.   Follow the Show: @25WhistlesSports  Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @BrandonRayMusicSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're international. We watch hockey. Oh, right, right, right. Hello. Is that Australian? That's a good point. That was kind of Canadian. Yeah, we're going to talk to Pierre McGuire in a second.

We've never actually done a hockey segment, but he's a former NFL, NHL executive and coach and current analyst. And did anybody else wake up and watch? Heck yeah. Me too. You did? You watched live too? Well, I got nine-month-old twins at the same time, so I didn't really have a choice. But yeah, I was up and Adam and watched the whole thing.

I felt I'm an extreme casual, not going to act like I'm not. Well, for hockey. For America, pretty end. Yeah. Because of the tournament they had at the NHL is an all-star weekend when they did the battle of the countries. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Like, I feel like I kind of know a little about what's going on. Like, I've been following, you know, Connor McDavid. Yeah. And like he's been losing the two. He's like the best. Who does he play for? Well, Canada, but he lost the last two Stanley Cup championships. Oh.

But he was MVP from Canada. Anyway, we're talking a lot of idiot here. Yeah. Edmonton Oilers? Canada Edmonton Oilers. Okay. So, but we are going to talk to Pierre McGuire in just a second. That's cool.

Because that's what's up. But it was fun, huh? Did you ever, yeah, it was awesome. Do you ever watch the games with Pierre, like on the ice or anything? Do you remember those at all or no? When he was working for NBC? I don't think those guys are crazy that are down there. The announcers that are on the ice.

What do you mean Pierre? I don't know, I don't know Pierre. When you watch TV? I never watch hockey. Okay, never mind. Guys, I can't see the puck. Oh, but see, but for a time, though, there was a little tracer. Do you remember that?

I loved it. Well, I didn't love it, but I did, if it came on, I liked that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't chase hockey because I don't know much about it, but I did watch anything in America's. It's like soccer. I definitely get into it when we're all come comes. Yeah.

And at least we have a shot in hockey. We don't have a shot in soccer. We won women's and men's gold. That's awesome. Did you watch the women's one too? I did. I just watched the overtime. Oh, that's all I watched too.

Yeah, okay. I'm being all. Yeah, yeah. I didn't watch the whole thing. Okay. Just making sure. I think I watched the last part of the third period in overtime. Yes.

It was an awesome goal. I did watch pretty much all of this match. I was awake. There's nothing on at 7 a.m. And so, yeah, did you watch any? No, I did not. Just the highlights. It's cool, man.

You know, they go to three on three at the end. It's like in the Super Bowl, if they went to, they go to overtime, and they played seven-on-seven flag football at the end for the championship. That'd be cool. It was intense. Yeah. And I can understand people being upset about it.

Like, the Canadians were really upset that it ended in this, but they played in the quarterfinals. They had to win by a three-on-three, and they won that one by three on three. But anyway, we know about hockey, so we're going to wait to get there with him. But it was cool. It was awesome.

It's cool because we won. They just made the Canadians stand out there a long time after they lost. So is hockey your favorite event of the whole thing? It probably has to be because it's what I knew the most about. What you watched most of, too. Snowboarding is cool. I know. I've never done that.

I've never played hockey, but I have ice skated. I've never snowboarded. Never? Ski? Mm-mm. You've never gone skiing, huh? Mm-mm. You'd like that.

But then now we're older, and one fall could ruin it all, man. I know. Anyway, probably hockey. Yeah. I didn't watch the girl who won the gold in the solo free skating. The figure skating. But I watched her whole four-and-a-half-minute routine after. And she's been awesome, but I don't watch that live.

Yeah, I mean, either. Yeah, I'm kind of a poser. I'm a casual. Casual American? Winner. Olympics. No, no, no, no, no, very much American. Casual with the Olympics there. So, yeah. Why don't we just do a couple things and then we'll go to somebody who actually knows about hockey?

Yes. Because college basketball is happening. We're loving it. It's great right now. I had a bunch of good games this past weekend. Yeah, really good games. The top four teams playing each other? They did. Yeah. And Duke beat Michigan. Duke beats Michigan. Arkansas played Duke. It was a pretty good game at the very beginning of the season, but nothing matters at the beginning. at the season so much, but yeah, Boozer's good.

Real good. His brother's pretty good, too, but he's really good. He's probably first or maybe second overall pick. Yeah, now there's the top three, right? The Kansas kid, BYU, and him. The Kansas is getting in playing. He's checking out of every game. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. What are you saying, Eddie? Oh, no, and then Arizona to beating Houston. Yeah. Oh, just the way it lined up this weekend, pretty good. Dude, I'm getting ready for, although... Calcutta would put our money and we buy teams. Here's the deal.

I send you a note a little bit. too early. So like Saturday dude, I dominated. UFC, I won probably 85% of the fights. Wait, wait, wait. You're gambling again? Yeah. Okay. Just making sure. UFC, man. The UFC? I was like, let me just put some money on this. I hit everything. I hit a, I think one five game basketball parlay. No namers. Buffalo versus Why are you betting no namers? I don't know. To me, I just feel like the big ones are too unpredictable. The little ones, when it's Sam Houston State versus Lamar, let's go Sam Houston State. You don't even watch it.

Oh yeah, I'll watch them. And that's when everyone knows on Gambley. When my wife walks in and I'm watching Sam Houston State versus Lamar, she's like, how much money do you have on this? Nice. So I, dude, I was probably up 150 on Saturday going into Sunday. Nice. And then Rory McElroy, man, ruined it for me. I thought for sure he'd come back and win that tournament.

Oh, I didn't watch anything. Who won? No-Namer. Some no-namer went into the Sunday with like a six-stroke lead behind Rory. Rory was like, come on, dude, you can do this. He never could catch him. up. But how much you bet on that? I bet 20 bucks on Rory to win. And then about halfway

through Rory had two birdies. I'm like, oh, he's got to win this. Put 20 more. So I put 40 back on that. That's a lot of units. Significant. And then NASCAR, I started putting money on all these drivers. You're laughing because he's always out. It was just UFC, just USC. And then golf and then NASCAR and college basketball. Tyler Reddickman, he wins another one. He did? Did he really? I thought it was a repost. I saw that. I thought it was a repost of

that he won that Daytona? I'm thinking out of all the drivers he's not going to win again. That's so rare. No, he won again. Michael Jordan wins again too. Wow. Did Michael Jordan grab the kid's butt again? No, no, no. He wasn't near the kid. I saw where Cooper Cups, NBA

Cooper Cubs, NBA jersey, the first one he played in went for a million bucks. Wow. He didn't play that well that game. But still. Yeah, he didn't start as hot as Cinepple did, but now he's awesome. And Cinepple's still really great too. Right. How that Duke didn't win the national championship

of both those guys on the team? Wild to me. Yeah. So, but yeah, Cooper Flagg, his game worn, game one, one million dollars. He put up 10 points, 10 rebounds. It's a double, double. Double, my bad.

The previous record for a jersey sold through NBA auctions was Victor Wenbenyama's NBA debut, 762. Wow. But Cooper Flags, I think I'd still probably rather have Wembees than Cooper Flags.

Yeah. But one million bucks. Dang. You watching much NBA? A little bit. Yeah. I lost last night at the Lakers, Boston. Lost on that one too.

Dude, I was chasing. I was chasing. So after Rory lost, I'm like, come on, I got to make some money back. Do you see the guy, the poker player that tore his ACL? Yes. The clip gone? Yeah. A poker player?

Yeah, but it's a viral clip that's going back around again, but he's sitting at the table. Younger guy. Yeah. So it's an older clip, but it just, I see. saw and thought it was new when I first saw it. Same. Yeah, same. But it turns out his name is Justin Smith. He won $1.1.1 million. This has been a while ago. He went all in, but he tore his ACL

because he was celebrating with his family. He kept playing in the tournament. He put his leg up, iced it. But yeah, here, play the clip. Take the board. Can he escape? Oh, it's a tag. Back to back, dumbel of us by Justin Smith, grown out both times, man, to stay alive.

Look how excited he is, his fans, his friends. He'll fix that tomorrow. Wait a minute, Vince. Something's wrong out there. We'll operate it on tomorrow with the million. Something very wrong. He's doubled over.

He's really in pain. Yeah, it's snapped. What the? This is no bluff. Let me tell you. Poker injury. I told you this is an injury sport. They say that poker is not a sport, but this is like...

Well, this is pretty serious. People are rushing to Justin's side. I'm really hoping it'll be okay. I mean, I'm able to play. I'll play out. Tournament officials will stop the clock. I thought it was new when it happened, but it's funny regardless.

The announcers, they're so good. Oh, that's a serious injury there. Wait a second, John. It reminds me a dodge ball. And of course you can play through it. He's just sitting there, right? No, but if it hurts and you've got to focus and you're running odds,

and I would say that's probably... I think about the mental game. Yeah, that'd be a throbbing pain. That's a good point. But he was so far ahead after that he was like, I can finish out there. Let's get over to our talk now with former NHL executive and coach and current analyst

Pierre McGuire. Pierre was born in the U.S., raised to Canada. We talk about that because I'm like, what's the deal? Who you're rooting for? He gave a pretty good answer. He's either been coaching, working in the front office, or covering hockey for almost 40 years. We're casuals. He spoke to us like we needed to be spoken to, right? Yeah, I like that.

Yeah. You can also check out his podcast and we talk about that here. All right, here we go. Big thanks to Pierre for coming on. Here he is. the great Pierre McGuire. Let us bring on now, NHL analyst, former NHL executive and coach

and co-host of the sickest in NHL podcast, The I-Test with Pierre McGuire and Jimmy Murphy. Here he is, Pierre McGuire. Coach, thank you for coming on with us. We really appreciate it. Nice to visit you either, Bobby.

Thanks for having me. I want to tell you up front, I am a semi-casual, so I'm going to ask dumb questions, but I just want to be really, I grew up in Arkansas, I'm now, the Preds are here, I've just been exposed to hockey in the last few years.

I have friends that play in the NHL, but I'm learning. So all that to say, I'm kind of a dumb, dumb. So please accept me for what I am. I just love the fact that you have passion and even want to talk about hockey. So go for it, Bobby. It's my pleasure to be on your show. Okay, so we were having a little discussion about you before you came on because says you were raised in Quebec, but also you were born up in the States.

Who are you rooting for? The best team, whoever won. I've gone through this a lot, Bobby. I got to tell you, I was born in the same hospital in Anguwood, New Jersey that the great Bill Parcells, the legendary football coach was born in called the Anguwood Hospital. But when I was very young, my mother's French Canadian. We moved to Canada. And I basically grew up there until my junior in high school when I went to play sports back in New Jersey at a big time school called Burden Catholic High School.

So I've experienced both sides of the border and I've coached on both the American side. and the Canadian side. My children were born in Canada, but they are dual citizens, just like I am. My wife is French-Canadian. So I consider North America an amazing place. I'm proud to be American.

I'm proud to be Canadian. We also like North America, if we're being honest. We're big North America fans as well, because our show is also in Canada. So, okay, good. Now that we have that established, I feel like I also did not grow up around a lot of soccer,

but I think there have been a couple soccer matches in my life where I look back and I think kids saw them growing up. and it probably inspired them to play soccer. And then they remembered, oh, I saw that. Do you think this is that for American kids that were watching this game? Yes, I do. I was a freshman in college in the 1980 Olympic year,

and I couldn't believe the passion. And I went to school in upstate New York where obviously Lake Placid is. And back then, we didn't even get to see that game between Russia and the United States live. It was on tape delay on ABC. So I saw what that did for a generation of players. not long after I played professionally and then I started coaching in college and that whole wave after the 1980s

Billy Garon and Jeremy Roneck and Tony Amonti and Brian Leach and Kevin Stevens I can go on and on all these great American players Mike Richter, the legendary goalie, the one the Stanley Cup for the Rangers in 1994. Bobby, they're all product of that 1980 team. I think this team will do very much the same for men's hockey and I think the women's team

obviously that won gold in 98, and one goal in 2018 and just one gold in 2026, I think the women's team is going to do the very same thing for the women athletes that want to play hockey. Now, again, I'm a big Canadian fan because we just are, our show does well in Canada, so it's a tough loss. I want to tell everybody, all my Canadian friends,

I love you, tough loss. Okay, so getting that out of the way. Like, that's got to hurt, right? Because that's like, it's like Canadian's main sport, Canada's main sport, right? Oh, no question. I mean, again, I broadcast the 2010 goal medal game. I remember like it was yesterday, even though it was 16 years ago.

And it was a Sydney Crosby Golden Goal. I remember him yelling and screaming to Jerome again, like Iggy, Iggy, Iggy, pass me the puck, and Iggy gets in the puck, and he beats Ryan Miller. So the Americans, you know, tasted that very same defeat that the Canadians experienced in terms of a victory in 2010. So I've been around it. I've seen it for both sides. It's very painful. People remember the Four Nations event from last year where the United States lost in overtime in Boston.

And the candidate happens when you go best on best. As you know, Bobby, anything can happen. These are amazing athletes that really represented their countries unbelievably well yesterday in the gold medal game. I watched the Four Nations and I watched them fight at the very beginning. Now, how real was that or how performative was that fight at the beginning? Oh, it's real. It's real.

See these two there? They're not mine. Stuff like that happens. They're real. And the truth is that, you know, the Kachiks wanted to make a statement, just like their father did in 1996 when he was representing the United States at what was then called the World Cup of hockey. And they had a massive fight to start a game between Canada and the United States and Philadelphia.

So that kind of stuff has happened before. It doesn't happen in the Olympics. It's because if you fight in the Olympics, you're out of the game. So that's not going to happen in an Olympic event. But, yeah, no, the fighting is real. It's not staged. I can tell you that. But these guys have to play together all the time.

Like this happens, and now they have to go back and then continue playing some on the same teams, right? Yeah, but you know what's interesting about hockey at the National Hockey League level? You build up this animosity towards other teams or other players. And sometimes you get traded to that team that you might not like, or you get a player from a team that you don't like and you don't like that player. And he ends up being on your team. Brad Marchand is a great example. Played for Canada. Yesterday gets traded by the Boston Bruins to the Florida.

Panthers. Nobody liked Brad when he was in Boston if you were a Florida Panther. But as soon as he comes to your team and he helps you win a Stanley Cup, you think the world of the guy, that's just part of what happens in professional hockey. It's not one of those things where too many people take stuff personal and you just move along and go with the punches, so to speak. What are your thoughts on the three on three in overtime? It's a fair question. It's actually a good question. I'd like to see them manipulate it a little bit. Maybe go to four on four rather than three on three, make it more of a hockey test than a skill or a speed test. But quite frankly, I thought it was a tremendous drama on the women's side where we saw a three-on-three goal decide the gold medal game for,

in this case, in favor of USA with Megan Keller, just making a spectacular play for the U.S. women. And I thought yesterday's goal from Jack Hughes was beautiful, off the rush, a great play by Zach Werenski. And so would I like to have three-on-three? Probably not, but is it the way the rules were set up? Yeah, it is. I'd like to see them probably. try to compensate a little bit and maybe make more of a hockey test go to four on four rather than three on three. Is that four casuals so the game doesn't last an extreme long amount of time? I don't know. I wasn't in their room when they decided to come up with that. So that had to be negotiated between the double IHF and probably the National Hockey League and all the sanctioning bodies.

I wasn't in the room so I don't know. But I would just say it's the way we decide or try to decide games in the National Hockey League is by playing three on three. maybe that was just a carryover from that. A lot of Canadians were complaining about it as it being a game seven, but didn't they have to win the quarters in overtime with a three-on-three as well? They most certainly did, and it's a highlight real iconic goal by Mitchell Marner of the Vegas Golden Knights used to be obviously a key member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. There was no complaining after that goal went in, and that was a spectacular play by Mitchell

Marner, by the way, to score that overtime winner against Cheki. And quite frankly, look at, you know, Connor, not Connor McDavid, excuse me, Nathan McKinnon's goal in the semi-finally against Finland. That's with less than a minute to go on the power play. I don't think, you know, the Finns were too happy about losing that way either. So there's always going to be debates. There's always going to be all kinds of kerfuffles that happen over the course of a hockey tournament. I get it. The one thing I just want to say out of respect, this has nothing to do with politics.

I think good portions of this event would have changed had the Russians been there and able to play. has nothing to do with politics. I don't mean any disrespect to Ukraine, to Russia, to anybody. But if the Russian hockey players were at this event, I think it might have changed the outcome a little bit. Do you think they would have won it? No, but I think they might have upset somebody that could have been in the gold medal game.

What do you think about Sidney Crosby not being able to play? Do you think it would have changed the outcome of the game? I do. I do. And I've been saying this. I said it on NBC. I said it on CBS. I've said in a lot of different shows I've been on the,

truth is that Sydney was really a big part of their strength. The strength of their team was obviously Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon, Sydney Crosby. That kind of depth through the middle of the ice is hard to beat. Crosby centering a line with Mitchell Marner and Mark Stone, hugely important line for team Canada. Crosby goes down in the quarterfinal game against Chekkey after a hard hit by Radco Guttis of the Anaheim Ducks, the captain of that team, by the way. And quite frankly, Bob, Canada was never the same team after they lost six. they just were not. Sid is such an important part.

So if you think about it, 2010 scores a golden goal, 2014, the leader of another gold medal winning team. And he and Drew Dowdy were the only two guys that were on this team, Canada, that had any kind of Olympic experience. And it was both times winning gold medals. They didn't have anybody else in that team that had ever played in the Olympics. Back in the day, John Elway, had lost a bunch of Super Bowls way early. It took him a while to come back and actually win a Super Bowl.

but I feel like with Connor McDavid in the last two Stanley Cup finals and winning the silver. He did win the MVP, but I don't think that I don't think that probably matters to him. It's been a rough run for him as far as winning championships or gold medals. What do you think his psyche is like right now? I feel badly for him. First of all, he's an unbelievable

he's probably the best player we've ever seen at doing what he does, traveling at a high rate of speed with the puck on a stick and still being able to process the game the way he does. As much of a goal score he is, he's a better playmaker. He's not to do that at that. that rate of speed, almost 30 miles an hour, and be able to process the game the way he does, is just overwhelmingly amazing.

He's obviously got to feel mentally beat up a little bit. It can't be fun. You know, I've coached in two Stanley Cup finals and was fortunate enough to be part of the on the winning side twice. And I got to just tell you this, Bob, I said once to a person that's a very good friend of mine, I said, I could never imagine going this far over the course of a season and losing. And I've never had to experience that. he's had to do it two times in a row

plus lose an Olympic gold medal game that's got to be just painful unbelievably painful yeah that's got to be very painful if I were a Canada I wouldn't have wanted the little stuffy they were passing out did you notice that they were given out the little stuffed animals I don't really pay attention

so when they were giving them the silvers they were passing out the little stuffed animal with the silvers you know I think you read the room and maybe you don't you don't give the stuff also they left them out there way too long I feel like if you lose, you should be able to go back into the locker room and then come out. That sucks to have to sit out there regardless of who you are. No, it's a fair point.

It is a fair point. I've been to the world championships a lot. They do the very same thing. It's agonizing. There's no question. Same thing happened in the women's game, by the way. You go to overtime and you lose a game. And if you're Canada, you're sitting there.

And if you're Mary Philippe Poulam, probably the best female player in the world. And for sure, the best Canadian woman ever, you see her reaction. I mean, she just so. beaten down. It's just painful to watch. And so, yeah, it's, you know, they used to say the agony and defeat, you could see the agony defeat yesterday. That was tough to watch. Yeah, I felt bad for them

having to stay out there the whole time because there was a good 15 minutes where they could have walked back into the locker room. Also, something else had to beef with. They should have had the third place team out there. Like, you should have been waiting to come out and accept your bronze medal. You know, part of, I think, and I could be wrong in this. Part of it is

a lot of those players that were on the finished team, their NHL players. As soon as they got their medals, they probably moved on. They probably really moved on to their NHL teams. The NHL schedule starts in full on Wednesday night. So to get from Milan, let's say, to for the sake of argument, LA or San Jose, it's not around the corner. So I think a lot of the guys and ladies, by the way, once their events were done, they bolted because a professional women's hockey league starts again soon too. So I think that's probably why you didn't see that with the bronze medal winning team. I'm curious the culture of

playing for your country in the Olympics because, as you know, in American basketball, some of the guys just don't want to do it. And they're like, you know, I don't want to do it. I don't want to go play for the USA team because it's too much work so they don't do it. Does that happen at all in international hockey or does everybody really want to play for their national team? They want to play for their national team. I'll tell you, after the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi, I was there and I was about to get on our charter back to the United States. And an NHL official came up to me in the lobby the hotel right after, you know, the Americans had been eliminated. Canada ends up beating Sweden in the gold medal game. And this NHL official said, I hope you enjoyed this Olympics.

I go, why is that? He goes, NHL's never coming back. I said, what? He said, nope, we're not coming back to the Olympics anymore. I said, well, that's really short-sighted. I think that's a massive mistake. In my 37 years in the National Hockey League or being around it, I've never once been angry at the league. I was really angry at the league for that. And they didn't go back in 2018, and they didn't go back in 2022. I can tell you, one of the things they used in collective bargaining, the NHL players and the NHL to get to this labor harmony we have now is they put a lot of duress about Olympic participation. The players, to a man, wanted to go. And if they couldn't get back to the Olympics, they probably were not going to have the labor harmony that they have right now.

So good on the players. They really are passionate about representing their countries. They don't get paid to do this. And I think it's fantastic. I love Olympic. hockey and I'm really proud of both American and Canadian women and the American and Canadian men. They put on two amazing performances in gold medal games, all four of those teams. What I found interesting watching yesterday was during the face off, they would then get the Canadian guy off. Like he's so good. You have to tell me a little about that because they would be face off and they would, he just ran off the ice, especially during the three on three.

Is he that good at that? Well, you're talking about Sam Bennett or Bo Horvatt. they're both pretty good at face-off. So the answer is yes. The Americans do this very same thing with Vinny Trochecks. So the answer is, yeah, they call them Fogos and lacrosse. So, yeah, that stuff happens. Face-off guys, it's become pretty prominent.

Puck possession matters a lot in three-on-three, so winning the initial draw helps a lot. You mentioned if you fight during the Olympics, you're out of the game. So are there no need for the enforcer-type players at the Olympics? As far as I know, and I've been going to the Olympics, since 2002. This is a eighth one I've covered. I would just tell you straight up, Bob, there's never been just a thug that's been going on an Olympic roster. They can't, they can't play at that level. So you need physicality. You need tough guys. You need guys that are going to

perform certain roles when it comes to checking. But in terms of just one-dimensional players that are thugs, no, they don't play in the Olympics. Can you talk about the American goalkeeping performance yesterday because it seemed like that was pretty legit. What a great question. Connor Hulloughbuck from Alpina, Michigan, thrilled to death, played at UMass Lowell, never a highly recruited player, played in a real high-level league, hockey east and in U.S. College Division I hockey. So happy for him. He's never really had a chance to win at the NHL level, even though he's had unbelievable individual awards like three Vesina T trophies and MVP of the league and all that stuff. It's amazing. His resume looks great, except for the

winning part. I think we can put to bed now the doubt that he can't win the big game. That performance yesterday was all world. It was as good as any Olympic goaltending performance I've seen since 1980 with Jim Craig. That was just a fantastic piece of work by Connor Hella Bakina's family and all his teammates should be so proud of that. This is going to be a dumb guy question. But do goaltenders usually have great vision? I mean like literal vision. Is that a part of it? Absolutely. If you really watch and you're trying to scout goalies, that's one of the things you watch for how they track the puck, how they read the play. Can they track long shots? What's their reaction time in tight? One of the cool things, Bob, if you really want to watch,

and I know a lot of TV people do this, watch how Connor Hellebuck prepares before a game. He'll sit on his bench and he'll just do eye muscle exercises. I'm not kidding you. And he'll track things, and you'll see him moving his head, moving his eyes, moving his head, moving his head, it's unbelievable to watch. So the answer is yes, vision really matters for goalies. As far as gold medal games, how does this ranking game? games that you've seen. As good as I've ever seen, 2010 was phenomenal in Vancouver. The pressure on the Canadians to win, especially in their own building, was huge. The fact that the Americans came from behind in force and overtime was mammoth. And then you had the drama of the Sydney

Crosby Golden Gold and Gold in Vancouver. You know, like I said, I've coached in a lot of big games. I've broadcast 16 straight Stanley Cup finals, Dunning Olympics, a lot of stuff. That reaction in Vancouver was pretty special. So those are probably two of the better. male games I've seen. The 2014 women's gold medal game in Sochi was off the charts. It was unbelievable. Great. Come from Behind win for Canada. The 2018 women's gold medal game in Korea was crazy good with the Lamarou sisters and Megan

Duggan performing so well. Maddie Rooney and Netford Team USA. They wanted a shootout. So this would be right up there with all of the great Olympic games. I've had a chance to watch. Absolutely. So tell me about your podcast. It's called The Sick.

This is what I have written in front of me. The sick podcast, the I-Test. What's the name of? Is it the sick podcast or is it the I-Test? The name of our show is The I-Test. The Sick Podcast Network is who we work for in Montreal. And so it's actually, Jimmy Murphy and I started that three years ago. It's been fun.

I also do another one for one team media in Pittsburgh called Inside the Game. And it's been phenomenal to be a part of that company. And so I enjoy doing it. It's fun. I love talking about how I. I love trying to build the brand of the sport. And I did it for a long time, and I don't want to stop anytime soon. I just really love being around the game and trying to tell stories about people in the game.

Well, I hope everybody checks out the eye test. And I bet you there'll be a lot of people listening because I'm super interested now, right? I think this was good for me as an American to learn more about hockey because I normally don't. I did go, I'll tell you this. I did go, I've been to some Preds games. And I did go to Game 7 when the Preds lost to Pittsburgh. And that was a pretty brutal. That was a pretty brutal day, Coach.

I'm being honest with you. I was broadcasting that game, so I remember it clear as day. That's okay. That one kind of sucked. It's a bad day around here. Yeah, not a good experience for your boy here. Coach, thank you so much for being on.

I hope I did okay and asking questions. It didn't make me seem like a complete idiot. Bobby, you guys have my number now. Mike can get in touch with me anytime. It'd be my pleasure to come on in your show. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much. Thank you, coach.

Have a great rest of the day. The 2026 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

or wherever you get your podcast. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable. Until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer, Zoe Spencer,

and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum-Pierre, as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything, But at first it was just like, you got to go get a real job.

There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fell is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

You can have opinions. have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resists.

resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, Chairman and CEO of IHeart Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds and marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Sassario, financier and public health advocate, Mike Milken.

Take-2 interactive CEO, Strauss-Zalnik. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. us. Sesame Street CEO, Sherry Weston, and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Eddie thinks that we may have been going too hard on you, Kevin? Oh, wait, change a guard here. I'd like to apologize. Okay. What, what,

What about? I think we made too much fun of you over your compass tattoo. Not we. I almost never did. You did, though. I almost never did. I almost never did. You'd be like,

where did that ball go? Will you check your compass on your leg? Kevin has a compass tattoo on his leg and Eddie would bring attention to it and make fun of it alive. That was like two years ago. Yeah, so that was a while ago. When we were staying in San Francisco, I looked at he was like wearing shorts and I go, dude, what's happening with your tattoo?

Because you were lost, right? And you were like, I need to find a way back to the hotel. See? There is a lot of it. it is. There it is. And he goes, yeah, man, I'm getting it removed. I'm like, what? I'm so sorry. Is it like, you think it's because of you? Yeah, we made fun of you, yes. Oh, no, I've had this for, what, 10 years now. I've gotten a lot of flack for it. Don't get me wrong. I have one on each calf and full transparency. I don't like either of them. I can't get the other one removed because

it's color and you can't remove color fully. If I'm going to do it, I'm not going to do it unless it's fully. So it has nothing to do with you guys. It's just now, or a couple years ago when I started this, I had a little extra money and I was like, you know what, I think it's time. And it's taken a long time and a lot of pain. Oh, it hurts. Oh my God. So bad. Worst than getting it? Yes. And the more sessions you go, like the deeper you get in it, the worse it gets. They're like it gets deeper and deeper. They tell you that. Are you worried that because it's going away, you're going to get lost, going to get it removed? Sometimes I worry about that, but they have GPS now.

I swear I was going the right direction. Last time I knew where I was going, it's so God. crap. Why did you get a tattoo anyway? I was in Europe. Spring break. Spring break. No, yeah. I was in Greece and I was like, I want to get a tattoo. And I was like, cool, travel and compass. And then the next day I went and got it. And then it's like, man, I probably should have thought about that a little bit more. It was like you're a traveler. That's what it signify. Yeah, I guess. You know, it's one of those cliche things where they're like, yeah, that's something a good idea.

And then you get it. And you're like, yeah, this is cool. And then like a couple months later, you're like, ah, it's all right. What's on the other calf? The California. Do you like that? It's okay. Could you turn it into like Tom Brady's face or something? I could.

What would you turn it into if you had to? I don't know. Those were the worst. Oh, can I make a suggestion? Painful tattoos, yeah. The O'Brien trophy? The Dave O'Brien? The NBA?

NBA? Oh, I guess the same shape. Oh. Like you could turn into that. Put Celtics or something around it. Championship. 18 time and then every time they win, I get an ad on. You just do

You just do Like chicks lots That is That's not a bad idea actually Maybe I'll do something like that I did see a cowboy's A fan get their You're gonna get one

Covered no He got his back cover the other day It says chiefs on it now What? Who does that? Wait what happened? They changed on their team It said cowboys on the top

Like his whole back And then it had a helmet Of the cowboys on his back And he got it covered up And it's a big chief now And then it's not Kansas City Chiefs Yeah Why did he switch teams?

I don't know. I just saw the video. What a loser. I didn't look too much into it. Got it. It was funny. You know like two of my kids, they like, there are two that are Cowboys fans. They're always going to be Cowboys fans.

But there are two that like just depends on who's good. Seattle's doing good. We're going to be Seahawks fans. And I have a hard, like I'm trying to tell them how important it is to not grow up like that. Like, guys, you don't want to be like that. You're not going to have friends growing up if you become a fan like that. That changes teams all the time. Right, isn't that important?

Okay, so I would say, yes, but if you were in a place where you had a winning team and you had an allegiance to that winning team, that would be your team. They are unlucky to live where the Titans are during their formidable years and the Titans suck. So they might be a little bit because they have friends whose dad's player because they're down the road, but they're not going to be dire Titans fans because they suck. You're a Cowboys fan. One because you're in Texas, but they were winning when you were a kid. Well, yeah, but still, we're still a family. But they were winning. You don't know, and they have access to all games now.

You didn't have that growing up. You had one channel, two channels that showed. That's so true. So it's different. And also, if the Titans were really good and they were really swept up in it, I think that would matter too. Okay. But at some point, they have to stop changing teams, right? Yeah.

It gets to an age. They don't have to. Do you like that guy that shows up to the... No, but I don't have a guy in my life that's nine. But that's what I'm saying. I know. It's what I'm saying. I thought you were a Cowboys fan.

Nah, dude. I like the Texans now, man. What's worse? The guy that keeps switching teams or the guy that doesn't have a team but makes fun of your team when he loses. The guy that switches teams. Really? Because I don't have a team. Yeah, but you don't like.

But I don't make fun of it. You don't make fun of it. I lose so much with all my teams. I always feel bad for people when they lose. Yeah. If I had, like if I was an Ohio State fan, maybe it'd be different. But I lose all the time. You're right, man.

You have a lot of opportunities to make fun of me for being a Cowboys fan, but you don't. No, I cry for you with you. Yeah, I appreciate that. Empathy. It's very nice. Nobody loses more than me. It sucks. Yeah.

I did see a car today. I had a Brown's logo and an Ohio State. I was like, dang, a Browns fan was like, oh, at least I got the Buckeyes. At least they have Ohio State. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any of those. Because I'm a Cubs fan. We won once. What are you thinking about your Razorbacks, your basketball team? Did you guys win the other night? I was watching a little bit of it. Which one? Missouri? They won. Yeah, we won. Okay.

It's crazy because I didn't, I don't bet. I'll bet Arkansas games, but I won. If they're a favorite, I'm never bet in the spread because I don't want to be happy they won, but sad they didn't cover. I would never do that. And they were, I believe, a 10-point favorite, or maybe 9-and-a-half. And Missouri scored the most garbage bucket with one second left. They didn't cover? No. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Arkansas don't even play defense.

They were just like, it's over, so they were just dribbling down, whatever. Missouri guy goes and shoots the lay-up, makes it. And I can see some people being like, oh. But that's why I don't. Because I don't want there to be any anger in my heart. I think that we, first of all, I think we win the championship. But really, I think we could make. make it to the elite eight.

If everything, we have a top five player in the country, regardless of freshmen or not. Is that Brazil or? No, Dariusaka. Okay. So, yeah, one of our best players just got hurt. Well, one of our contributors just got hurt, Carter Knox, but I think that we could, we could make it to the elite eight if we had a decent draw. Okay. So that's where your

expectations are as of right now? I don't have expectations. Okay. But if you were forced to say something, that's you would say. If I were going to bet how far that we would go. I would go elite eight. Anything past that? Amazing. Is it a bonus? Yeah. Are you going to go to the SEC tournament at all? It's here again, I assume? It's here. It is. Yeah, right?

I've never not gone. That's true. And we'll probably, as long as we play Florida. Oh, that would that be good? They're really good. They're leading the SEC. We're second, they're first, but they're up with two games. They're really good, and we play them in Gainesville, I think, Wednesday. Yeah, it's a tough one. SEC is good.

Yeah, we're good. I mean, Arkansas is good. Tennessee's good. Yeah. Tennessee's getting good now. Like they're kind of growing. That, amen. That freshman kid? Yeah.

He played terrible against us. He was his, like, fish out of water. But now he's starting to be played really well. Who else? Vanderbilt's good in spurts. They're just too white. Hmm. You mean, like, you mean like the skin?

Yeah. Oh. They just don't have athleticism. They don't have big. They're just, they're just too slow something. Hmm. I think what you're saying, yeah. I mean, it makes sense.

It's like... It's like... It's like Purdue. Like Purdue always plays well until they got to play somebody that actually has real athletes. You remember that Princeton team a couple years ago? They went pretty far in the tournament.

But you know what they did? They played slow. They did. They just played back and played slow and keep away. You know, you only have so many white guys. It's true. Everyone's like, I don't know what to say here, but can't argue. All right.

Speaking of basketball, let's talk to NBA Hall of Fame Guard, Tim Hardaway. It's Tim Hardaway Senior now because his son plays. But he's got a book called Killer Crossover. He's known for his crossover back in the day. NBA Jam played it with him. Five-time All-Star. The Heat Retired is number 10 jersey. What's crazy?

I don't think of him as a Heat player. I think of him as a Warrior player. See, I only think of him as a Heat player. Yeah, age. Big thanks to Tim for coming on. Here he is. Tim Hardaway, Senior. Let's welcome on Tim Hardaway, Sr.

He's got a book called Killer Crossover. I just want to start so I don't forget to say this, Tim. I played with you on NBA Jam all the time. Like, you and Mullen, I played with you guys all the time. Do you hear that from people in a certain age range? Yes, we do. You could dunk, you could shoot. Whenever you were playing ball, was that cool for you guys?

You know what? People say I could dunk on there. I've seen myself dunk on there. I played with myself on there with Chris and Mitch. and I've seen other people play with us. And, you know, it's a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun. And a lot of these guys and they're real big fans of doing those video games and all that.

When I see them working that stick or working them with their thumbs and their hands and all that, it's amazing because, you know, we went out there and played basketball. You know, our thumbs, a lot of guys had to stop playing it because of carpal tunnel or, or you had your thumbs and everything was hurt. So yeah, you had to be careful with that. Growing up in Chicago and you end up going to U-TEP, which I don't know why he chose U-TIP, I'm sure there are a lot of reasons,

but was the dream to go to the NBA or was just to play college ball because that was the next step. So when I was coming out of high school, I was not recruited. I was not recruited. Not one division one team recruited me. Not even a division two team

recruited me. They thought I was too small. And I never went to camps that, All-American Camp, Nike All-American Camp or this camp here or that camp there. You had to have sponsors, as they used to call. You had to have some people that would, you know, pay $3, 400, $700 for you to go. I didn't have nobody that would pay for me to go. And I never asked nobody to pay for me to go. because if I thought I belonged, I thought that somebody would send me or somebody would sponsor me. So I just left it alone. So I stayed at home. It was the best of both worlds for me.

I stayed at home and played with guys like Ricky Green that was with, you know, the Gold State Warriors or Utah Jazz. Then I played with guys like Mo Cheeks and Doc Rivers and all overseas guys. Carl Nicks, you know, I play with those guys all the time during the summer. So I was really learning professional basketball when I was playing with these guys in Chicago at different parks, different rec leagues and stuff like that. So when people came back and they came back and had all this gear, all this Nike gear, all this deedist gear, and all this and all that. I didn't have none of that. I just had just a little small bag and I was just going out here playing. They was like, man, what's you doing?

I said, man, I'm playing against real pros. I'm not playing against these other guys, y'all going, but I'm playing against real pros. And I'm holding my own against real pros. And they're like, wow. And, you know, as I got better, as I got better, they saw. And he's like, you know, we're probably making a mistake. You know, but a guy named Russ Bradford used to keep in touch with me. He's from Chicago, from the north side.

And somebody said, yo, man, you know, you need to look at. this guy named Tim Harder, where I think he would be good for Texas El Paso. And he was assistant coach, and he was a scout at Texas El Paso. And he came and watched me play all summer long, all summer long for about two summers. And he watched me. And I was the last guy that Don Haskins went to go and recruit, watching me at practice, watching me at a game. And he offered me a contract.

That's how I got to El Paso. And, you know, it was a blessing in disguise because. I need to get away from Chicago. I need to get as far as way from Chicago and do my own thing to find my own path and find myself. And El Paso was the greatest place. It's well-kept secret. And I keep telling folks that if you want to get away and get your mind together and get your life together, go to El Paso. They're great people, genuine people.

You don't have to worry about nobody lying to you. from you, they take care of you, they listen to you, they help you. And it's just genuine there, man. Just really, really genuine there. It was just great for me. I tell folks that all the time, they're like, what, El Paso text? I'm like, yes. So that's how I got the El Paso.

And I just had to wait my turn. You know, patience is a virtue. I just wanted to go show people that I could play Division I won basketball. ball. And it was right out the gate. We had Georgetown come to El Paso and play us. There was number one team. And I was the only one that could get through their press. And as a freshman, I was controlling the tempo. And I only played about 12 minutes, but I was controlling the tempo. And I was making plays for my teammates to run off. And so it worked out very well. You just got to know what it is you need to do and just be patient about doing it. To me,

I was a big fan, again, of you guys back in the day because I did play with you on NBA Jam, so then I would try to watch as many games as I could watch with you guys. But it seems like with you and Mullen and Richmond, like if you guys could have stayed together longer, like I feel like there could have been some real titles there. Do you feel that way? I definitely feel that way. I definitely feel that if we would have kept Mitch, that we would have been able to contend for a title. I tell people that all the time, you know, I just wish we was together. And Nellie would have just kept that core together. And we were able to build around us because we had some good guys.

We had some good teammates. And each year, we knew what we need to do and how we needed to do it. And I think when we lost to the Lakers, we kind of knew the next year exactly how to approach the next year and how we need to play. and what we need to do to get better and to make it further in the playoffs. And it never happened. Was that something you voiced to, you know, your coach Nelson, like what's going on here?

Or was it above even him? Right. Well, you know, it was him. He pulled the trigger on it, and that was that. We didn't have no say-so in it. We knew after the fact he called Chris Mullin and myself in the room after he made the trade. It was over with it.

We had to deal with it. And that's the way things, you know, happened back in the day. You know, they made a decision and you had to deal with it and just go. It feels like the players now have pretty much all of the power in the league. Do you feel like that wasn't the case back when you guys were playing? That wasn't the case. That was not the case. You know, Michael Jordan didn't even have power over the Bulls.

It was all Jerry Krauss. Jerry Krauss made that team. Jerry Krause built that team. You know, the same way with Pat Riley. He built the team in Miami, and he's still doing stuff. He don't go and just ask the team or the players, you know, what he needs and what he thinks is best for them or, you know, what they is best for the team. He just go out there and thinks what's best for him, I mean, for them and make it happen.

And, you know, and you can't be hasty about it. You know, you got to really think about long term what your team is going to have long term. Is it going to be short term? Is it going to be right now? You know, when he got Shaq, it was right now. You know, it wasn't like two years or three years. We got to win his thing right now. And they won it right now.

That's what made it a big deal when he traded for Shaq. You got to know what you're getting into and you can't be hasty about it. I wrote a couple books. And when I wrote my books, there were a lot of things that came up that I kind of forgotten about. Not that didn't happen to me, but you're just reliving some stuff. You're like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about that. I write that. Like in your book, did you have any of those moments where you're going, man, I didn't think

about that in a long time and it kind of reintroduced you some of his old memories? All the time. All the time. I'm talking about it. You know, I'm thinking about it. And as I'm writing about it, the guy that helped me out, Jake Udy really, really helped me out. And when he was talking and asking me questions, I was going back and I was like, oh, you know,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, matter of fact, last week when we talked and we said this, and we said that, you know, I wanted, I missed out on, on this important component about this piece that I wanted to say. And yeah, it went back and forth, back and forth. And then when you really, you know, editing, reading, you know, you go back three, four, five times and read the same paragraph. Did you want to make, is it saying what you really wanted to say? Is it getting that message the way you wanted to get, get it out? It was interesting, you know, it's very, interesting. It was, um, it was cool to me to go back and relive a lot of things that I

forgot about. Going to the Olympics, what was that like? Man, I tell you this. First of all, getting picked for the Olympics, they come to you and say, hey, you're going to be on an Olympic team. That's special. That's very special. It's not, you know, getting picked for the all-star team. This is getting picked for your country. And you represent your country out on the, basketball court. And there's 12 guys, 13 guys, really 12 guys that have to come together and put their egos aside and check their egos at the door and have to come together and play as a team. Not an all-star team. We're talking about as a professional team that you're going to be with for about 40 days, 50 days. And from day one at practice, you know, it's about us. It's about U.S.

say. It's not about Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Vince Carter. You know, we know we're going to have some guys on the team that's going to excel each and every game. We know we're going to have some guys that's going to play well.

But everybody has to go out there and do their job and understand what their job is. We knew that very, very quickly. That's why we was able to go out there and play well and win the goal. So it was great, you know, just spending time with those guys. They built us in Australia. They supposed to build us a nice hotel, but it was a small hotel where we had small

rooms. It wasn't difficult, but it wasn't what we was accustomed to. We dealt with it and understood that that was it, and we dealt with it. I love the book cover. How many did you go through before you picked that? You know, it's basically two pictures. You know, do it cross and over, but it's a lot of faded versions of that as well. I'm sure you went through a bunch. Why this one? Well, first of all, Golden State Warriors, Miami Heat. Two of the teams, you know, everybody said,

which team you go in in the Hall of Fame, what I said, man, it's both teams. Six years with the Miami, Golden State Warriors, six years with the Miami Heat. I had great years, great organizations, you know, all-star games, all NBA teams. It was fitting to have, you know, both of them jerseys on at the same time

and showing me just dribbling a basketball. But, yeah, we went through about what? I say about five, five to six different pictures and everything. And once this came up, I was like, oh, hell yeah, I like this. I really like this. This is what we're going with. This is me right there. It works.

It's awesome. Big fan. I really appreciate the time. I hope that you're getting everything out of the book that you wanted. It's called Killer Crossover. My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty. Again, big fan. Really appreciate the time, Tim.

And I hope you have a great rest of the day, man. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate you and continue success. Thank you, Tim. The 26 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Rodriguez after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two, Friday.

and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist.

and hosts of the podcast a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships.

I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future.

This month hear from top streamer, Zoe Spencer, and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum Pierre as they share their journeys from starting. out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job.

There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing.

Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season of Math and Magic, I'm talking to... CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cessario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, take-to-interactive CEO Strauss-Zalnik. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey.

Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, that's going to do it. Thank you, everybody for being here. How's everybody feel? Got a little hockey talk today. Pretty good.

A little educated hockey talk. The diversity of our podcast, man. How cool is that? I did see someone right. Speaking of slow white guys, I'm talking about it with like Vanderbilt. when the U.S. won hockey, they were calling that white boy winter. Nice. There you go.

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