The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Heisman Pick and Former Snubs + Gus Malzahn on His Career & Expectations Heading into First Year in the Big 12 + John Rhys Plumlee on What it's Like Being a Two-Sport Athlete & Why He Chose UCF

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

As part of this episode's Tittle Tattle, Bobby talks about his Heisman pick this year and some of the most notable Heisman snubs of the past. The guys went to UCF and had a chance to sit down with head coach Gus Malzahn to talk about his coaching journey, including his time at Auburn and the 'Kick Six' game, and his expectations as they play their first season in the Big 12. Plus, QB John Rhys Plumlee talks about being a two-sport athlete at a major program and why a conversation with coach Malzahn in high school eventually led to his transfer to UCF from Ole Miss.    Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App today: https://dkng.co/bobbysports     If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA).   21+ (18+ WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/ NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in NH/OR/ON. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details.       Follow the Show: @25Whistles   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's wherever you want to be, dude. Okay. All right. I am literally, I think in Italy right now, as this is people that have this. We recorded this before we left. and so right now I'm in Italy. But like mentally, I would like to be in Italy.

I think I'm having a good time right now. Yeah, for sure you are. Yeah. Have you eaten a lot? A lot. And I told myself before I went, I wasn't going to overeat, but I over-eat as soon as I landed. Of course, man. Pizza, let me get pizza.

Not only pizza, pasta. Lazzania. I don't know anything like pasta, but I've had a lot of pasta. And then I went to this one little shop, and they had some gelato there. And I was like, let me just get a small cup. I've been back seven times by the hotel. Italian ice? No, that's just America.

Yep and die. That's back in America. They have American ice in Italy. I don't know what it's going to be. Hey, why are you talking like that? What do you mean? Like every time I go to a shop. It's a game.

A foot the ball. It's a whistle. So, yes, I'll be in Italy. Where are you going to be? When people hear this. Probably on the golf course. Dang. Awesome.

Yeah, I'm doing a staycation because my kids are in school, so I can't go anywhere. Kelvin? I will be on the beach in California. That's good. Mike Texas Teaxis Reed what are you doing

your hands up for Why's Reed He's doing that I guess he's saying Should we play golf together Oh I'm sure If Reed wants to play

It looks like There's some technical issue Reed doesn't know Don't make big gestures While we're doing the show Because I think something's wrong Like behind the scenes And Reed's throwing his hands up

Like what's a problem That's like when I was a lifeguard My first week I didn't know that you weren't I'm gonna blow the whistle Just for demonstration Oh we gotta start the show anyway Go ahead

Okay so I went Everyone out of the water Like break time and everyone freaked out because apparently that's the signal for distress. And I didn't know that. For a long whistle?

For a long whistle. Long whistle means emergency everyone. All decks all hands on deck. And so the whole pool freaked out. Like everyone jumped off their stance and everything. And I'm like, what's happening?

They're like, what's going on? What's going on? I'm like, no, I was telling everyone break time. Everyone out of the water. But it's really long.

I got in trouble. Yeah. Well, it's like, read through his hands up and he's like, oh, God, something's wrong. Exactly. But it said he's like,

who we go off. All my friends are going out of town, man. I didn't realize that he was going to be here. All right, coming up, we have UCF head coach Gus Malzahn, John Rice Plumley. We went and hung out with them. We'll get to that. Let's do the tidal setup first.

Let's go. It's time for stupid. College football is in full effect, and we all love the atmosphere. What's one place you haven't been to? Atmospheric, wise, in college that you would like to go to? I'd like to see the swamp being swampy. You've ever been to the swamp?

Never been to the swamp? Been to LSU, crazy loud. Awesome. Death Valley? Mm-hmm. I've been to some decent atmospheres. the swamp probably is the one or maybe just because I'm a SEC guy

but like to go to the to the horseshoe Ohio State would be like but then I'm but then I'm in a rivalry game but if it's just a generic I think that would be cool but I just don't care did you go to LSU to see them play Arkansas or no

yes okay yes and it was fine we got to be bad that was pretty I don't that was fine that was fine yeah stupid Alabama would be cool though. I've been to Alabama before. What's that like?

It's cool. When they walk through at the beginning, they play Sweet Home Alabama, and it's cool, and everybody's up front. And it was, we gotta be real bad. It wasn't that great. See, it sounds like that's gonna be part of every game you go to. It sucked. All right, next question. Netflix just released a documentary on Urban Ireland, Florida. What is a drama-filled sports memory that you would like to see a documentary on? I think it will be fun to have a behind-the-scenes look

and have cameras in places like when LeBron was making his decision. The decision? like to see who was telling him what to do leave Cleveland what he was requesting from Cleveland and they couldn't give him so I think that's fun I think when Peyton became a free agent because that was crazy because he was flying all these places they were like Peyton Manning's landed here

that was fun Brett Farve coming back eight times like to see this the nuttiness that happens there that whole saga what's happening now with college football realignment and the conversations that are having to have now all the pack 12 teams that were like going to the big 12 or big 10 which they did before they went to the big 12

and the teams that have no home or acc i think that's all there's a lot and i think because cameras are more readily available and everybody's recording everything we make it to see some of this stuff but that would be fun eddie what comes to mind for you i was thinking of you know magic johnson just kind of there's the movie the winning time show or whatever where you kind of get an idea of how hard he partied. But I would have liked to, like, see. Magic Johnson. Reality show.

And stories from him. Because I've never heard him say, like, oh, yeah, I went hard. He never really just addresses that. But people tell the stories. I'd like to hear it from him, like, what did you do, man? How hard did you go when you got to L.A.? Magic's, Magic. I mean, dude, you know he went hard.

Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson. It's him and another guy named Johnson. Magic's Johnson. Yeah. All right, go ahead. The top three Heisman favorite.

The court in the draft kings are Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Quinn Ewers. If you're putting your money down, you're taking one of those three or the field. I'd probably take the field if, wait,

so I get, so hold on, so I get to pick one of them or the field. One of them or, no, one of those three. One of those three. So it's those three versus the field.

Yes. That makes it different. When these preseason, um, like whatever predictions come out. How accurate are they? They're usually, except for Spencer Rattler, which he was like the number one favorite

to get drafted first, and that one was tough. Okay. But those guys are always in the mix, I should say. They don't always win it. I would go with the field just because it's a numbers thing, but I think that Caleb Williams, if he has a good year, he'll win it. He's propped up to win it in every way.

But I would take the field. I mean, you have the quorum from Michigan who's a running back. If they win the national championship, a lot of us going to depend on too how good the teams are, that quarterback from Notre aim, Hartman has a shot if they're good.

But still Caleb Williams, the guy put the money on. They want him to win. If everybody's even, Caleb Williams wins. All right, next. Speaking of the Heisman, when I say Heisman snub, who's the first person you think of. Darren McFadden. Troy Davis should have never won the Heism. He got, he was finished second twice. A little

sensitive nerve there? What do we hit? No, I couldn't even finish the question. I know, man. I finished twice in Heisman two years in a row. It's so stupid. He lost Troy Smith. Shouldn't have. Troy Smith. I forgot about him. So, The one most people will probably say is paid manning when Charles Woodson won.

Because Charles Woodson was playing defense but was return upon. That's a big one. That's a big one over McFadden, I think, Bones. But I get it. I get it. McFadden's your dude. I get it. And he went to the Cowboys, so he was all right.

He ended up being all right. He's giving you the death stare. He did. No. Twice. Adrian Peterson in 2004 with Matt Linerant won it. He just was penalized because he was a freshman and no freshman had done that yet. They ended up doing that later.

Menzel? Money man. End up winning it as freshman. Matt Linerd. Matt Leinert. Right. There's no D in his name. Yeah, but it's pronounced. Matt Linerd.

Say his name. Matt Linerd. See? Sounds like a D. Say his name. Matt Linerd. See, now you guys are... Matt Linerd.

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coached Malzon some. And so we're all just chilling in golf clothes. He coached Cam Newton at Auburn, his offensive coordinator in 2010. He also had Nick Marshall, Trey Mason, the Rheisman finalists. He took an Auburn team who didn't win a single SEC game in 2012 and let him an SCE championship and an appearance

in the BCS championship in 2014. He's got a national championship. He's got a championship. We saw the trophy. It's pretty amazing. This is our dude too because he's a Texas guy, which I'm a Texas dude, and then he coached in Arkansas. And he's an Arkansas guy, though. That's right.

He's definitely an Arkansas. But he was born in Texas. Okay, lunchbox was born in Kansas. Like in Irvin, too, I think. I was born there for nine days. Do you remember it? Yeah. He's been the coach at UCF since 2021,

innovative offensive guy, and UCF in the Big 12 this year. You can follow Coach Malzon on Twitter at Coach Gus Malzon. Here you go. Coach, I'd like to start by saying that I paid $800 today for different NIL things. I didn't want a dang thing.

We did every $800. I paid $800 for like catching punts. I got beat up knees. I got, I didn't want a door per. I didn't want a single door. I didn't want half off at top golf. Yeah. I will tell you this.

You were impressive. Thank you. Okay. So you come through, I'm at the 18th hole. I was with each group. You know, you had scratches on your knees. You just got through catching like four out of five puns. That's true.

Then you actually hit one that was one of the top shots of the day. That's true. So really, we should have, you should have won something. Celebrated me with something. Yeah, we really should. We dropped the ball on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're just ending into that. We just leave it. That's it. That's the best we can do this year. Eight hundred bucks in the hole and a couple of hollow words.

I'll get it out. Okay. Coach, this job that you have is so much politicking because it's important. There are a lot of people here. And look, I've never been shy about. I'm a massive fan and I'm a donor at the University of Arkansas. And I see how that happens at a different level because they're extra nice to me because now in my life. money. I mean, that's honestly the truth. But you need money. Yeah. And that's why we're here. So you're having to do basically be a politician. How much has that changed in your life as a coach? Yeah, we're in a new age of college football right now. Probably the last two years with a one-time transfer, the collectives, NIL. And now it's just about being competitive. And event like this is just, you know, that's the new age, what we have to do. You know, we're a young school. So we don't have

all the older boosters that have great money. You pick up the phone and you call, you know, we're, it's kind of strength in numbers. And events like this is really our livelihood right now. I think today went great. I think everybody had a good time. It really means a lot to us that you took the time to be here. It's a really big deal for us. And, you know,

I think our players did a really good job. And I think most of the people had a good time. Yeah, I didn't want a freaking door prize, though. How good of a deal was it that I was here? Well, I bragged on you. Yeah. We got Bobby Bones, one of my Arkansas guys here,

and everybody thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, what mortgage is that paying? Nothing. A couple of words from Coach Miles on. I think they pat him in your bag. Everybody shook your hand, you know. You guys are moving to the Big 12, and this is the year for that. Did you kind of see that coming when you came here and you stayed here?

Because obviously, you can go wherever you want. You won national championship. Yeah. So Terry Mahajer was my ED at Arkansas State, you know, in 2012. And so when he got the job here and he hired me, I knew that we were going to be in a power five. I just didn't know what was going to be the Big 12. But I thought that everything trajectory was.

I think the Big 12 really fits us well. You know, we're the only school in the state of Florida in the Big 12. I think it's great for recruiting. And, you know, it's a really good conference. It's really deep from top to bottom. And, you know, we're blessed to be a part of it. You're still young enough to relate to the players, but you're old enough to relate to their parents.

You're young enough to understand and be invested involved in NIL, but you're also old enough to have been here fully in before it all happened. Like, you're at that perfect age where you've seen it all shift. Did you ever feel like, I don't know if I can do this, the whole landscape is changing. Because, again, you're just not an old dude. Yeah, I'm, you know, this college football age is in dog years. Okay, so I'm 57.

I feel a little older. You know, I really think the teams that are going to be successful in this new age is the teams and the coaches that adapt. I mean, that's just what you have to do. You know, and I think we're at a school that really embraces that. I've got a young staff around me that really helps me with that. And, you know, I'm embracing it. Coach, you know, during the games, you have the state

troopers with you at the end of the games. How long do they stay with you? Do you get to take them home? Do they take you all the way of the front steps? Are they on call? Yes. Like at any time. I've always wondered that. You know, when I first started to come up, head coach, it kind of was a lot awkward.

Like, why are these guys around? Well, when you have a play like the kick six, all right? And at the end of the game, people are trying to tackle you, and they're like elbow, like, and they get you back to the locker room, it takes 15 minutes. You're glad you have them. But I tell you, it's really neat. You get really close to those guys. They travel with you.

And, you know, they're really neat, you know, to get to know. And they have badges and get you. My security guy has a badge. There's no more we can't get just because he has a badge. He's a former DA officer. It doesn't matter. He's got a badge and we can go in there. It's awesome.

Which is awesome. The kick six. Did you know the kicker might not be able to make that kick? I mean, was there a, hey, this might not. I mean, that play just seemed to happen. Yeah. And the fact that it was not a hold blows my mind. Yeah.

So they missed, their starter missed like two or three field goals. They put their backup in. That's a big moment. It was 56 yards. The breeze was blowing up in their face. And be honestly, I was thinking it could be a fake, you know, but we just called timeout. We moved Chris DeGis back.

He wasn't, he was normally on the block. That was the first time we did it. And I just told our guys, I said, they've got two defensive guys at the wings. The rest are offensive linemen. If it's short, blocked those two defensive linemen. So, you know, halfway there I saw it, Miles go with the line of scrimmage.

We're blocking those two guys. I'm about the 50-yard line. They come by, and there was some good blocks, you know. And so Chris Davis went by me. There's not a white shirt within 15 yards. So what do you do as a coach? I'm looking for flags. And then I didn't even see them score,

but I just went, wow, we just beat them boys like that. It was kind of a real surreal moment, you know? One of the craziest sporting moments I've ever seen in my life watching live. I wasn't there. But I bet you there are so many people to claim they were there now. How many people now go, coach, I was there? And you know there's no chance they were there. You hear a lot of there.

Yeah. There's no doubt. I bet people were like, I was there. It was one of the, I wasn't there, but I did watch it. You started coaching high school football. Yeah. You know, there are many ways to be at the top of your profession. You know, some of the guys I know, start, they finish college.

They go be a GA. They stay in the college ranks. They go to the NFL. Your route was through high school. Did you know when you went to coach high school that my eventual goal is to be the head coach of a major college program? No, not, not at all. I mean, you know, I started out at Hughes High School.

and I was just so blessed and happy to be a coach. And I really wanted to win a state championship. That's really, you know, what my whole mindset was. And I was hoping to maybe coach at a Fort Smith Southside, Northside. You know, I'm from Fort Smith. So I was real blessed, Hughes. We went to state championship. We didn't win it, went to Shiloh.

We won a couple. Went to Springdale. I came at a really good time. We had great players. And then I got a chance to go to Arkansas. I mean, like, that was like a dream come true for a guy from Fort Smith, Arkansas. And I played for the hogs for two years to walk on. And so that really, you know, got me in college football.

Man, we wanted you to be the head coach. We wanted you. I know, no comment, but we wanted you to be head coach, coach. That's all I'll say is we want to. He's not even looking at you. Well, I know he ain't, and he should. I'm just going to say, he don't got to say anything. But you're done, you done wrong, coach.

I'm going to be on the record. He's not looking at me. He's making no movement at all. But I was going to say, I am on the record saying, Coach Malice, I was done wrong. That being said, coach, is there anything? Do you ever have a eureka moment at this point in your career offensively? Everybody knows you as an offensive mind or genius or whatever the term is.

Do you ever go, oh, this is something that I just discovered? I tell you what, I think to be on top of your game, you've got to have that mindset, even if you believe in what you're doing, you've got to stay cutting edge. And you've got to stay fresh. And that's what I try to do. And obviously having good people around me helps. But, you know, it's all about players. If you've got good players, you can be very creative.

and, you know, they give the coach way too much credit. I've been blessed to coach some of the better players to play college football. I mean, Darren McFadden, I mean, Phelis Jones, Peyton Hillis. I mean, how I could have coached those? Oh, yeah. Put the Wildcat in that year and McFad made it famous. And I got a chance to coach Cam Newton. I mean, you know, that's some of the better players ever play college football.

So you were his OC, right? I was OC when I had Cam. Yeah. What's the difference in Cam? And it could be physically because he is different. He was different wherever he went. What was the difference in Cam? You know, when I started coaching Cam, he wasn't the same Cam Newton used today.

I mean, he was, you know, trying to prove himself. He had a chip on his shoulder, just a great competitor. I mean, just a freak athlete, but he could flat out for a great leader. He willed us to win the national championship. We weren't really ultra-talented around him. And it was just something to be a part of and just one of those special years. Coach, what's your favorite time of day to play on Saturdays? Because, I mean, I wake up Saturday mornings.

I'm like, oh, my gosh. It's almost 11 central time. So do you like playing early and getting out of the way? The longer I've been in college football, I want to play early because I'm one of those guys that the later of the game, I'm like a fan. I'm like, you know, I meet with the guys and, you know, I'll probably wear them out. But, you know, I like having a game early. And then in college football, you don't have a lot of time to spend with your family. So college coaches, if you play early, you get to spend the rest of the Saturday afternoon and even with your family.

So I'm always rooting for the early. Yeah. When you say early, when does your day start? You know, it just depends. Like if you play 11 o'clock game, of course, you don't want to play 11 o'clock games. So that's usually, you're at the bottom of the conference, okay? But, you know, the 230, you know, CBS or Fox game, like, that's really what you want. And then you get a chance to spend a whole evening, you know, with your family.

All right. Final five questions with Coach Malzahn. Going into the Big 12, do you scheme differently at all? Are they? And I know you guys probably have a lot of analytics guys. going from the AAU conference to the Big 12. Are they just bigger players? So do you have to play a different kind of ball?

Because you guys already look like you can compete right now. Yeah. So I think the big thing, anytime you move up, Power 5 Commerce, you've got to be good and deep up front on both sides of football. The skill a lot of times are very similar. And so we've known about this for about a year and a half, two years. We have an offensive line, defense line. I think we have more quality depth than we've had maybe since I've been coaching.

And that's really key. but in this league you've got to score points and you've got to play defense. So we've been really focused on trying to play great defense and hopefully that'll separate us. You've been in Florida for a little bit now. Have you seen any gators around? Why do you keep asking everybody with gators?

We played the gators. We played the gators in a bowl game. No, no, no, no. Coach, real gators. You know what? Yeah. So, yeah, and it did freak me out the first time. Yeah.

I play an interlock and golf course and, and, you know, I get near the pond. I'm looking. And every now and then you'll see a gaiter. Yeah, it's a country club. Oh, it's a name of the country club. A lot of Gators out there? Every now and then there's a few, but they'll get them out there.

But no, hey, you got to be ready around it. I don't think so. That's great. Three questions left. Thanks, Coach. So I was talking with J.R. I think if a player now on defense has all of a sudden he grabs his hamstring because your guys' offense is moving too fast, they want to slow the game down.

I think that should be a three play, not penalty, but you have to sit out three plays, minimal, because it drives me crazy when an offense is moving the ball. And you can put whatever high octane, what wide open offense you want. But when they grab their hamstring and they're back in at one play later, you got to go out three plays. How do you feel about that rule change? I'm suggesting. Yeah. You know, I've been like, that drives me crazy. I was one of the first no huddle guys back when everybody was gripping about it now. They're all doing it. But anything like that, you know, free plays, I'd be all for that. I'd be ready, you know, for the rest of the game. I mean, I just think, you know, that's, there's no place in college football for that.

And I think when it comes to a common sense thing, and like you said, the guy comes in the next, and he laid there and they had to come out and get him, you know, I'm all for them. Well, there was like giggling, too, and they come back in one play later, coach, you know, that drives offensive coach. It drives me crazy. Yeah, good. Coach, Bones and I, we've been working out a little bit. And, you know, just three or four days a week, no big deal.

But you think, like with our physical, you know, structure right now, where we're at right now, do you think we can play for you today? You know, Bobby caught punts, okay? That did, and he dove, and he was scratched. I told you that earlier. So I think he, you know, when I'm thinking of Bobby, like, he's pretty tough. Yeah, well, you need to ask John Rice about this. I caught a long, deep pass from him at the facility. Yeah, I would have to evaluate you probably in, in C.

But, you know, I think, you know, we'll at least give you a look. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, well, let's give you a look. He said nothing. He said, that's what I'm talking about. He said, we'll give you a look. That's him trying to get out of this interview. He wants to finish the interview.

Okay, last question, coach. What's it like being rich? Yeah, good question. Really, because you are a guy who comes from humble beginning. And that is, that's inspiration for people everywhere because it's not like you had a huge trust fund and your, your grandpa owned or present university. Like you did it. And people like myself and other people from small parts and small states look at you as a, if he can do it, there's a shot, I can do it.

Like you can just go into a store and buy anything. Do you look at tags, do you look at price tag anymore? Be honest. Do you even look at a price tag anymore? Every now, man. Yeah. It depends. But I will say this.

I mean, I'm one blessed guy. There's a lot of high school coaches, a lot smarter me that just hadn't been put in the right situations, you know. And everywhere I've been, I've had great. great players, but great coaches, great administrators. So,

you know, I'm just living a dream and I'm an old high school coach. But look, like Hughes, you went to the state championship game. We can go through Shiloh. We can go to Springdale.

We can go through all the players that magically, all the schemes that magically happen. But the one consistent, the one constant, the common denominator is you. And you have to also, and I know you're a humble guy,

but you are very inspiring even to someone like myself because you show up, you have a good attitude, you work hard, and you motivate others to do the same. Yeah.

So I appreciate you saying that. You know, my best friends in the world are Arkansas guys. You know, I'm an Arkansas guy and pretty neat for me to be sitting here with you, to be honestly, I've kept up with you a long time and, you know, I have that connection to Arkansas. But, you know, I'm just proud to be a Arkansas high school football that's just coaching college, to be honestly. We're rooting for you guys, coach.

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old miss transferred over grew up in hadysburg mississippi four-star recruit coming out of high school before Ole Miss, he committed to Georgia and then chose Ole Miss and then transferred to UCF to play football and baseball. He does it both. He finished with 3,500 passing yards, 23 touchdowns last year with 10 home runs and 18 stolen bases.

Crazy. You can follow him at John Rice Plumley. John R. H.Y S. Plumley. Here he is. John Rice Plumley. We're at the indoor facility for UCF. Is there an official name that you got... What's the nickname of this place? We just call it Indoor. So you just go to the Indoor? Yeah.

The last time that I saw you, I guess, you've never known I was watching you, but the first time I saw you, I guess, was taking a golf cart from the spring game here to a baseball game. Yeah. And like, ESPN did this whole thing about you. And they were like, watch this. He's going to morph. He's a transformer taking his pads off and he's going to go to the baseball field.

Well, when you started that story, when you said on a golf cart, my mind immediately went, what have I done on a golf course that was bad that you saw a video of? But I kind of like that version better. Probably golf course, you're probably. Are you a good golfer, though? Are you that annoying guys good at everything? No, absolutely not. I'm good for losing probably anywhere from 18 to 22 golf balls around.

Do you play golf like you do baseball, though? Is that what it is? Yeah, I'm baseball swinging at the golf ball, for sure. So you're playing two sports. Was that part of the reason that you wanted to come to UCF? Yeah, it was a big piece. Talking to Coach Mileson when I got in the Transfer Portal, he said, hey, man, you have the opportunity to come play quarterback,

and I said, well, coach, I want to play baseball too? And he said, hey, we'll make it happen. But does he say that? Like, we'll make it happen, but really doesn't want to make it happen? So going back to high school recruiting, he was at Auburn recruiting. And I told him, hey, I want to play quarterback. And he said, we'll come on a visit. Well, I get to the visit.

And he says, hey, man, we don't want you to play quarterback. We want you to play slot receiver. And he showed me all these things that he wanted me to do. And I was basically like, thanks, but no thanks. But, like, he told me something that I didn't want to hear. I knew that he came back later in high school and said, hey, we want you as a quarterback. We're watching a film on you now that, hey, we want you.

And I knew he wasn't going to say something that was a lie because he already told me something I didn't want to hear once, right? And so he wasn't talking out of the side of his mouth. And so fast forward, transfer portal, hey, I want to play quarterback. You can do it. Hey, I want to play baseball. We'll make it happen. And so it was kind of one of those things that not only did he stick by what he said,

he jumped through a bunch of hoops to make it happen. We moved the spring game back an hour and then the baseball game up an hour. So I have an opportunity to go from the game to the spring game. And so there was a lot of stuff that he did communicating with head baseball coach, Coach Love Lady to just give me the opportunity to do it. Because, like, at a lot of places, like, that's impossible. What I did this spring is like, that's a no-go. Or they tell you you can do it and then it's not actually what's able. I like that he told you no at one point, even though it wasn't the same about being a receiver.

In one of my books, I wrote about how find somebody. that can tell you you suck because then you can trust them when they say you do good. Yeah, that's right. So when they say, when they tell you when you're bad or tell you when they suck or tell you something that you don't want to hear, when they say something that you do want to hear, okay, you can take it to the bank. Yeah, like, yeah, he's being truthful. When you're doing that and you're playing the spring game and you know you're going to go hop over under the baseball, how do you stay focused? Because you've got to individualize each of them, but also you're like a real life human being. Yeah. How do you stay focused on one? When the other

what's coming up in like an hour and a half. That's right. So I was pretty good. Like, went through the same routine as I do every baseball game. We're playing Memphis. And so you go through your, you know, pregame hitting routine. You take in and out, you do all these things to get ready for the baseball game. And so my first at bat of the game, I hit a triple, which kind of, I think, made it a little bit cooler. If I would have went up there and, you know, went over three strikeouts, it wouldn't have been as cool as an ESPN video, right? It wouldn't, it wouldn't have been as fun. But later on in the game, probably around six, seventh inning, you start hearing the bounce house.

You start hearing the speakers. Like they're playing loud music. And it's like, I was completely focused in on baseball. But now it's like you're hearing the bounce house getting to go. You're seeing all the people walking up. And it's like, man, I'm kind of itching to get over there. And so the game kind of got out of hand. We were up like 10 to 3 or something like that.

And so I was up like third the next inning. And I said, we're winning pretty handily in the seventh. they can handle me for nine outs and I can get over there because we had a rain delay too that kind of complicated the whole thing and so I'm up third

I go to talk coach level at him like hey what do you think he's like I think that sounds good right and the guy that was up that inning hit a bomb and the guy that let off for us hit a bomb so it was like okay yeah we got this one in the bag boys and so next guy hit

I hit a single call time ran off put my stuff back ran on to the golf cart. Kenny was right in there, ready to rock, and we drove off. The move would have been

the fourth-gump move where you just keep running. That's right. He just keep running and go all the way. Get the guy with the golf car. Don't even check up.

Yes. So, I mean, you're like to, I don't know, you may be too young to get the reference here, but like Bo Jackson.

Dion Sanders. Like you're UCF's Bo Jackson, Dion Sanders. Yeah. That's a, that's a cool comparison, right?

Like, I mean, if you got hurt at one of them, I'd be so pissed as the other coach. Yeah, that would make for as good as the ESPN story. Yeah. It would be another bump in the road that would not be good.

What do the teammates think, like in baseball? Is there anyone else that's really good at football too? And they're just like, what does JR get to do that? On both teams, there's always guys that are like, dude, I can play line. On the baseball team, I can play linebacker, 100%. And I'm like, hey, man, I'm looking at you right now. And I look at the linebackers that we have on the team, they would eat you for breakfast. like it would not even be close.

And then, of course, there's some football guys that are like, oh, yeah, I can hit homers 100%. Because he did in high school too, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my buddies, Trent Whitamore, he swears that he can, he swears he can hit. I took him over the baseball facility one day, and we have these, like, a soft replica baseballs,

and we have a machine that kind of can throw you sliders, can throw you a bender, can throw you a high spin rate fastball. I said, all right, get in there with him. And for the first, like, 15 pitches. just swinging in air, right? But eventually he got it. He hit like a ground ball up the middle and he's fired up. He found him. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. Shout out Trent. Your locker in the facility here is right by the doors that go right into the stadium. That's right. Why that spot. It almost looks like it was purposeful that you're right there by the entrance or the

exit to go right onto the field and this place does get really loud. Your first time here in that spot would it sound like? Yeah. I didn't pick my locker spot. I came in and my name was a locker. And so we come in for game days and it's usually set up. Like our pads are in there. Our helmets are in there. Our game day loop,

which has our pants, undershirt, everything that you can imagine on there. Then your cleats are sitting in the bottom of the locker. Like it's all set up pristine, ready to rock. And so for every game I take a picture of it just because I think it's so cool,

right? Like I'm living out my dream and there's a locker that somebody took the time to set up for me. And so I'm right beside the door. And I, my first game here, I'd obviously never played in the bounce house. I'd played in Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss. Like I'd planted some really, really cool stadiums before, never played in the bounce house.

And so look up some YouTube videos, kind of like, it's like, okay, this place is kind of, this place is kind of live. It's kind of lit, right? And so I'm sitting in my locker and have my headphones on and I started to hear this kind of like ruckus, like beside me, and I'm, you know, come off of one ear. and then I look to my left and there's double doors where we go out into the tunnel

and they're just rattling and I'm like, okay, somebody's trying to break in. Like we're going to have to fight somebody that's trying to get in this locker room right now and I look around the locker room and it's like nobody's batting an eye and it's just the stadium

they started playing zombie nation. Ooh, ooh, and everybody's jumping. And it's like, holy cow, I take my headphones off and it's like this place is unbelievable. And we go out of the tunnel, of course, and then Zomination is still playing, and you're walking down the tunnel. And the windscreens are, like, beating in on you and flashing strobe lights. You go out, the fire goes up.

Smoke happens. And it's like, this is unbelievable. This is, this is sweet. This is out of a dream. 100%. I watch quarterback on Netflix. And again, I only played high school football and not even that good. Last I played quarterback was like seventh grade.

So you could start on the show. For sure. Yeah. For sure. I got in the portal. You got the portal, nobody wanted me. Okay. Getting the junior high portal.

That's still in the portal. That's really weird. If you look now, I'm still sitting in the portal. Waiting, waiting for your opportunity. That's right. When these guys get hit, which we don't get down on TV, but they get hit hard. And it's like this, oh, you hear them just. Yeah.

Yeah. Is that, when you get hit, is that what it feel like the oxygen just being sucked out of you if you get nailed? Like, what do they feel like when you're like a blindside shot or right up the middle? Somebody's blitzing up the middle and just, lays into you. There was one play that comes in my mind from last year. It's inside zone to the left, so I'm about to hand it off the Bowser. This guy goes to tackle RJ, so I pulled the ball.

I'm running the ball, right? I run around the edge. I get out there and I try to cut back. Maybe it was a pass play. I can't remember. I get tackled, like from the back. I didn't see him. Boom, I go down.

And I come up, and it's like, like the breath was knocked out of me right well the next play fourth and one like we got to get this play and so last year I relayed the call to the offensive line and so I'm behind the offensive line like and they're all like I'm usually a pretty really loud guy like you can hear me and they're all like turn around like what what the heck is going on right now thankfully I don't know if they knew I got my breath knocked them out of me or not but they called timeout coached it we came to the sideline and I was like water I don't know if you ever seen SpongeBob episode water Sandy and I just kind of

felt like eventually got my my breath back and then we got the first down it ended up being all right but yeah when you take one when you don't see it coming like to yeah anywhere around the body around the rib cage yeah you'll feel it for sure in baseball let's say if the umpire gets hit in the neck or so the catch will go talk or the probably I'll talk to the pitcher. Just to give somebody a few seconds to adjust to being. Is there a way that happens in college football where somebody will kind of cover for somebody else? Because again, you have a play clock.

Yeah. The only thing that comes to my mind when you say that is like what offenses are in pace. Like we're going fast. And usually go fast when you've got a defense on their heels, right? Whether they're tired, whether they're in the wrong personnel they don't want to be in. You got them on your heels. so you're going fast, play after play after play. Then all of a sudden, it's like clockwork.

Somebody catches a hamstring cramp, right? They're going to go down, oh, I'm hurting. Well, they go to the sideline, and they're back in the next play. I think that's the only equivalent of, like, slowing down the pace of it. See, I think they're pulling for three plays if they do that. Because especially, because we've seen high-tempo offenses, especially in, and you guys are going to the Big 12. Everything's, you know, SEC, Big Ten, a Big Ten kind of slow and fat. But other than that, you have a lot of these up-tempo offenses, these organs in the PAC 12,

that if these players don't grab their legs, they just get ran. Sure. But if you do that, and we saw Lane Kiffin talking in a press conference, but if you do that, you should be pulled for three plays. I think it would be a good rule. I mean, I think it would be a fair rule. Or the whole series until it's a first down again. So if you got a first down, the next place is a first down, that's great.

but just to go out for one play and the person comes back in, look at me, look how happy I am. That's right, that's right, I'm good. It's just too much. I think the three play could be good. I'm trying to think of what would be bad about that. It's got so frustrating for you as a quarterback.

Like, you're cooking, you got it. You're making the souffle. 100% up here. I like that. You got the forks in the kitchen. That's right. spaghetti noodles are on the wall. Sure, sure.

All of a sudden, somebody grabs a hamstring and you're like, I know that ain't real. That's right. The pasta was about to be served. Exactly. Dang, man. I hate that. It's terrible.

Well, what I like about just seeing you here as we showed up and just kind of watching you walk around the whole sports center is you know everyone. Like, everyone that came up, whether it's a camera guy or the video dudes or the editors or whatever. You got to turn the lights on on this place. He literally walked over and turned the lights up in the box. It's pretty unbelievable. And so when you show up to a school, I mean, is it as a starting quarterback, is it kind of part of it where you're like, I want to, I want to be a leader here. I want to know everyone's name. I want to because it does take a village, right?

to run this football team. So what do you do when you get to a school? I mean, I think it is part of it. I myself, I'm pretty big on relationships. Like I would call myself a people person, you know, and so I enjoy interacting with people. And so when I was a little kid, I talked a lot, and it got me in trouble, you know, in school and stuff.

But now I feel like it helps me out in the long run. I get to know people a lot better. But yeah, I think it's part of the gig a little bit about playing quarterback. Like if you want to be able to lead a group of people, you know, you have to know the group of people, I feel like, or at least they have to have some respect for you. How do you gain respect?

You got to get to know them. You got to show them what you're all about. And so I think that is a little bit of part of it, yeah. All right, final five questions. The first question is with you being here working under Malzahn, Coach Malzahn, who is an offensive guru, genius, whatever term they're using this season, like what is that like as a quarterback? How hard was it to come in and understand what he's trying to do with this philosophy?

Yeah. unbelievable offensive mind, right? Like, as I'm sure, a lot of people know, like, you can go back and watch Coach Malzon, wherever he's been, he's been successful on the offensive side of the ball. Like, he's really, really good at scheming up defenses. But for the most part, offenses do a lot of the same. Everybody's going to run inside zone.

Everybody's going to run stretch plays. Everybody's going to have a couple of shots and quick game stuff. But I think it's about how you call it. and how you execute it, right? And that's, I think, what Coach Malzon really preaches to us. It's not the X's and O's. It's about how well you execute what we're doing here. And so, again, and there is some little nuggets in there

that he's doing different than a couple of different people that kind of make his offense a little bit special. And with Coach Henshaw coming in this year, we're going to be stretching the field vertically a lot more than we were last year. A lot of hamstring injuries from the other team, it sounds like. That's right. That's right. Yeah, y'all get ready to just, you know.

Caps and hamstrais going to be hurting. That's right. Make sure you're hydrated before. Make sure you're hydrated before. But yeah, yeah, he's unbelievable, and he's, I mean, he's one of the best coaches I've ever had, for sure. What's your favorite football movie? Favorite football movie? Because it's interesting.

The different generations is interesting. You ask, like, me, I'm older, Rudy. Like, for sure. Have you even seen Rudy? I've not seen Rudy. That's crazy. That's crazy. We should probably cut that.

You know? That's crazy. You've not seen Rudy? Stop it. I know. Am I turning red right now? I'm blushing. When I made the Forrest Gump

did you even get that? I did. I got the Forrestra. Thank goodness. Wow. Favorite football movie? Blindside. I really love Blindside.

For those that don't know, my friend, S.J. was the kid, not the actor, the real life kid. Should we pan to him? I think. I didn't even know.

And the actor. I didn't even know when I met S.J. I didn't know that's the deal. I was at Arkansas and he came and picked me up on a golf car, much like yourself, but mine wasn't as fancy. Oh, okay. All right.

And he was taking me to the stadium, whatever. It was like, I like this dude. He's pretty normal, whatever. We finished the whole day, whatever. I'm like, hey, dude, good to see you. Here's my number. Whatever. Sure, whatever.

Whatever, dude. And then we're going back and someone's like, you know that's S.J. Too, and I'm like, who's S.J. Tooie? And they were like, the kid from the blindside. I was like, he played that kid. That was the actor. Oh, my gosh. And they were like, no, that's the real kid.

I'm like, his mom was Sandra. I still didn't get it. That's right. You were trying to piece with it all together. Wait a minute. That's really cool. But the blind side, legit. It's a good one.

Wait, but SJ was the actor as well? No, he wasn't the other. Oh. No, he was both. He's being real. No, he wasn't. He's lying. See, I don't know who to believe in anymore.

All far for that crap. All right. Question three. Five. Are you going to, you ran the ball a lot last year, man. Sure. You ran the ball a lot. And you're really good.

It sounds like you're worried for him. I am worried for him. We just asked the cut about the getting hit the rib cage. He's a little bit. He's great at running the ball. However, I think about your longevity a bit, too. And if you're running the ball all that time, that means you're getting hit all the time.

What's different this season? So we went back and broke down. We say we. I did not. Coach Inshaw, Coach Malzahn, a lot of the GAs and coaches went back and broke down every time I got hit last year. And it was something like 183 times, which is for a quarterback, absurd.

That numbers, I think, is pretty high. a running back. And so we came to the conclusion. I don't need to be hit as much. And also, last year I got beat up, whether it was hamstrings, AC sprains, you know, at Cincinnati, I got hit in the head pretty hard. And so goal this year, don't get hurt. How do you do that?

You don't take hits, right? You maybe run the ball less. Yes, you're stretched the ball downfield with the guys, like I said earlier, let the fast guys run fast just get the ball to them right and so um maybe when when i gash them instead of trying to you know run over somebody i slide which we say this like uh it was designed runs all the time it was myself doing that and then when i would start running i would run like a dummy and try to run into people instead of trying to run away from the big and fast people too and so um it's a group effort but uh the goal is to not get hit as much this year what's it like to be honest what's it like being a

starting quarterback in college. Like, what's it like? Yeah, it's, I mean, from as far back as I can remember, like, I wanted to play football and baseball at the highest level. Like, how, I wanted to do them both for as long as I could until somebody said, hey, man, you are not allowed to do that anymore. And look at me 22 years later, right? I'm living out my dream.

It's like, this is, this is unbelievable. Yeah, but he means a girl. Yeah, yeah, but I'm talking about like you're on campus man. And it's like, you're like to do, I mean, yeah. Well, I have a girlfriend named Lucy. And Lucy more, me and her have been dating since the junior year of high school. Okay, well, let's scratch that question. Nothing more Mississippi than that.

You could say, I'm out of the game. And I say that as somebody from Arkansas. That's the most Mississippi thing. Listen, I was told once, I think it was either about my dad and my grandfather. And you find a good one. Don't let her go. And neither one of us disagree with you. No, no, we agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, final question. Forget that question then. Really none of the teams played last year you're playing this year. That's right. It's a complete 180. With the old flipparoo. Yeah, you're a Big 12 now.

And I don't know. How are you guys approaching this season differently? You don't have a bunch of tape of you guys playing these teams. Sure. So what are you doing to get ready? I mean, everybody's pumped up, right? Like from the coaches to the players, to the fans, like, we're all fired up to being the Big 12, right? And when going to the Power 5, I think we're like the youngest Power 5 school by like 30 years or something like that.

that like it's not close. A lot of eyeballs are going to be honest. When you're the new guy on the block playing really good football, there's a lot of eyeballs on you. But what more would you want? If you had it your way, would you not put it like that? Would you not play against some of the best teams in the country? Or would you just go play somebody that nobody really knows, right?

And so we're super excited. But, I mean, at the end of the day, football is football. You're still playing on 120-yard field, like, in, you still got to line up and say hut. And we have the personnel. I mean, I think you got it all from the top down, from the coaches. I mean, we've got the personnel in the team to do it on the offences side of the ball to the defense side of the ball.

Special teams, I mean, all three phases were checking boxes. And then the place that we play in, the bounce house is electric, right? It's going to be up there as one of the best stadiums in the conference, I think, with the best fans, too. And so I think the best way to put it is we're fired up. And we're looking to perform at a high level. And so I think that's how it tied up and put a bow on it. We're fired up.

And championship standard has always been the standard of UCF. And so that's kind of what we're looking to carry on and keep doing. Well, to end, I'd like to highlight that I'm still in the portal. That's right. I know we have a lot of eyes and ears right here on this, but mostly because of him. But I'm still in the portal, guys. So you're still available. That's right.

Yeah, I've been there since seventh grade. Hey, and you've been training. It's because you haven't mentioned it in a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's out. So you're going to get picked up, I think. YouTube. Do your deal.

Do your deal. I have all my years left. Yeah, and I got a COVID year. I got like nine years of Belgium. We've got a lot of ball left to play. Yeah, we got a lot of ball. We love ball. You want to throw some to us?

Yeah, sure. Let's do this. All right. We're going to catch a ball for him. Well, yeah, we have some, and we have some clothes to put on to light. Oh, my goodness. But, hey, if it goes too fast, grab your hamstring. Okay.

There you go. If it's like too fat. Or cat is good as well. And then take a break and then we'll get up and do it again. Thank you very much. Yeah, absolutely, guys. Appreciate you all a ton. All right, that's it.

Thank you guys. We'll be back from our vacations early next week. Yeah, because we're in Italy right now. We are all in Italy. Yes, we are. These guys joined me in the last, when the John Rice Paul, me interviews planning, everybody came over and joined me in Italy. So now it's us, bones and his wife.

Yep. And it's kind of awkward because I have one bed. So what stinks? what lightly stinks is that I have to miss the first Arkansas game being there because of us coming back from Italy but it's a rent I don't want to say this and jinx it but it's a

game that we're paying them yeah yeah who you play I don't remember yeah I mean look it's in my I keep all the games in my calendar on your personal calendar yeah that's funny do you actually put them in there yourself

yeah WCU WCU WCU Western Coastal Western Carolina Carolina Catamount. They're called the catamount. And yes, I do put on my calendar and everybody else don't schedule over it.

That's why I'm touring and I'm not really doing. There's almost, there's a couple, but it was like, don't book me on a Saturday. Yeah. So that's it. Have a great day. Everybody. Have a great weekend.

Blow the whistle. We're back. Hope you have a great week and watch college football. Collect your money with Parlay. That's it. Goodbye. Bye, everybody. A win is a win.

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