The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Jason Garrett on Cowboys Rivalries, Tony Dungy & Is He Returning to Coach? + Bobby on Lebron to 76ers

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

Bobby and Eddie are joined by Jason Garrett who was most notably the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys from 2010 to 2019. Eddie calls him out on going to coach for the rivals, The New York Giants. He talks Cowboys rivalries, the legendary 90s Dallas teams, Michael Irvin stories, Tony Dungy’s coaching influence, building the right staff, and what it takes to lead an NFL team. Plus, he shares his thoughts on the challenges of being an NFL quarterback and whether the Cowboys can make a run this season. We also talked about the wild story of an older fan slapping a younger fan for not standing during the national anthem. Bobby gave his thoughts on Lebron James going to Philadelphia and how good the 76ers will be with him.  Follow the Show: @25WhistlesSports   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @BrandonRayMusicSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys sound so stupid. Why do we talk about it before if you're not going to jump off? I was reading a note. I was only reading a note for the show. I know. I was reading a note. My bad. My bad.

There's a lot. There's a lot today. I got there. We have Jason Garrett coming out. All right, go ahead. Do you want to talk about that thing that happened last week where the old guy slapped the person? Yeah, what on earth? That's at your Wrigley Field.

You want to set it up? Yeah, so the Cubs are playing a baseball game. I don't know who they're playing, but in the stands, this kid's not standing up for the national anthem. So an old man that's sitting behind him says, get up. What are you doing? Stand up! The kid does not stand up. And I say kid, he's probably in his 20s, does not stand up.

So the old man, what does he do? Slaps him in the back of the head. Stand up. It's the national anthem. And even people around are like, dude, what are you doing? Like, why are you hitting him? And he said, you didn't want to stand up. Whose side are you on?

What are your thoughts? I don't like that the kid didn't stand up. I think that's dumb for whatever reason. But don't hit anyone. You can't hit someone. Okay. Whose side are you on? So, I mean, if I had to pick a side, I would be a little disappointed like the man.

but I would have to take the kid's side for, you know, just getting, you can't get hit. Exactly the right side. Yeah. We're not Nazi Germany. You don't have to make people be patriotic. You hope they are. You hope they stand up. I stand up.

Anytime. I stand up. Take my hat off. Put my hand in my heart. That's the thing. I feel that I should do. But I don't feel like people have, I mean, forced patriotism is what North Korea does. It's what China does.

It's what Nazi Germany did. So I am patriotic. I stand up. But I also don't believe everybody has to do everything that I do. And I hope they do, but you don't hit. You don't hit because of it. No, you can't hit someone. You can even say, I'm very disappointed in you.

And that's okay. But you can't hit somebody. And again, you don't want forced patriotism because that's North Korea. Also, what if the kid is from another country? Yeah, remember when Wembe, he wasn't singing along to the national anthem? He didn't have his hand on his heart. People are like, he's not even. And they're like, dude, he's not from America.

He doesn't know the rules. He's not, it's also not his national anthem. Right. And he's in the country. And if he chooses to, that's great. But that's not his nation. So. You know there are some countries where they kind of do the Nazi salute as their...

I put your arm down just in case the video. I wouldn't do it. Hand over the heart. You know what I mean? Thank you. But yeah, I've been like, in Mexico, one of them is like, they do that. And I was like, that's very strange. I don't like it that the kid didn't stand.

up I'd have been disappointed but you don't hit and also you don't force people to patriotic you know how to make people not patriotic try to force them to be patriotic yeah you know how to make people patriotic have a great country and have people proud of living in it and then hopefully they stand up like like you're doing you know what though the guy ended up standing up yeah because he can get up he was like okay I'll get up yeah yeah that's a crazy story that's crazy dude that's a crazy story the LeBron to Philadelphia happened on Friday gosh there's just fun. They're going to be so good. It's fun. I think I'd have preferred him to go to Golden State

because I just like to see him and stuff together like the Olympics. That was fun and they're both old and it's like that show, what was it called Roadhogs or something where all the old men were in a motorcycle gang? Like Tim Allen and Wildhugs? Wildhogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember that one. I think I missed that one. It's not that good, but it was like old guys, one last run. And also Draymond, who's older too. That had been fun. Beside that, I really didn't want him to go to Cleveland. Who cares?

We've already done that. Yeah. Been there. Didn't want him to go to Miami. Who cares? Done it already. So Minnesota would have been interesting, but I think if I were to have picked, it had been Golden State 1, Philadelphia 2,

but I definitely did not think he was going to go to the 76ers. Why would he want to go to Philadelphia? That team's built. Yeah. All five of them. Edgecombe, Jalen just went over. Yeah. Maxi.

Yep. Embed. When he plays. That's five. The problem there is usage. All those guys want to need the ball. But they'll figure that out. That's what I was thinking.

How are they going to share the ball? Because there are so many big name players that are used to carrying the team. Maxis carried the team. Jalen carried the Celtics. LeBron, he carried the Lakers. Well, try to carry the Lakers. But you know what I mean? He did carry the Lakers with the entire first round of the playoffs.

Correct. Yeah. There's only one ball. Right. And five dudes. But I think they'll probably limit both Embed and LeBron, especially early on. So you let that thing fix itself. They have a team that's loaded.

I think they're tied for first in the east, odds-wise, not overall. Yeah. I think they're tied with the Knicks odds. They'll be a really good team if they can stay healthy. LeBron's usually healthy. He has things occasionally that pop up, but he's never had any injury that's kept him out for half a season and beads out all the time. If you think about it, it's just amazing.

I mean, he must have the best doctors to keep him healthy, right? Because how are you that age moving at, I mean, he's slower, obviously because he's older, but I mean, he's not slower than any of the players. He's just slower than what LeBron used to be. I would say it's not really doctors. It's just investment in being proactive with his body, you know, going and some and red light and massages and stretching and changing his workouts all of that and of course doctors too but but it's all of that because if you could just pay a doctor dude that'd still be

25 on the pickleball court i know that easy i can just pay a doctor to uh so is brawny going to the 76ers now too so that whole thing like just died out right like i'm going to play just so i can play with brawny he did i know but then now it's like all right brawny see you i'm going to keep playing to win championships. So he didn't even announce that he wasn't staying with the Lakers until it was a deadline for them to sign Brani. So Brani signed a $2 million deal and then the next day LeBron's like, I'm out. Okay. So he stayed to make sure that happen. Yeah, they can cut him, but they got to pay him, but Brony is still a Laker. I don't think they're going to trade him, but what do I know? I didn't think he was one of the 76ers. Yeah, that's crazy. So that's fun.

Tony Romo got a, OUI, whatever that is. What is that operating? In Wisconsin, I think, it's an O-U-I. Just what they call it. But basically, he was just driving drunk. Yeah. Got it. His mug shot's pretty funny. Dude, I'm telling you, the internet, just having a field day with this is really funny.

I haven't seen any of the field day. There are just so many, like, the Hispanic population. So have you ever played Loteria, which is like a Mexican bingo? And instead of, like, numbers and a letter, it's like El Corazon. It's a picture of a heart. And there's one that I always thought was funny when I was a kid. called El Boracho and it's the drunk guy. So they've substituted

El Boracho with Tony Romo and he's like Hey! That's just funny, dude. I laugh so hard of that stuff. It's not funny that he got a DUI or whatever it's called but I mean, the fact that the internet just makes so much it's just so funny at times.

The one that I did see was him and Jim Nance talking about the game and Jim Nance said, hey, what are the keys to this game? And he goes, I can't get I can't have keys anymore because I got just busted driving or whatever it was I did see that one that was funny they're just so quick they're like they won't let me have my keys anymore jim yeah what are the details on that like uh CBS analyst and former cowboys quarterback tony romo had a run in with the law in Milwaukee according to the athletic while cruising on southbound i 43 on thursday evening police said they pulled over romo

and the arrest reports that Romo performed poorly on the standardized filled sobriety tests and was taken into custody as a result. In Wisconsin, a first OWI offense can carry a fine of up to 300 bucks along with the surcharge, the OWI surcharge. So I would like to see the body cam. Yeah, yeah. Like when we waited for Justin Timberlakes, that was worth it. Yeah. You want to see it. Speaking of Rex, Kyle Shanahan had a wreck.

Saw that. But it happened like in July 14th to two weeks ago or so. Oh, it wasn't recent? Dude, the whole, the way they're treating this whole thing is so weird. It's almost like they're saying like he's day to day, you know, and practice. Like, guys, he's not a player. He's a coach. Like, what's the protocol of like an injury report on a coach?

Just let him recover and then he can come back to coach. But it seems like the injuries were pretty, like, substantial. Like what I read was a couple broken. ribs, like 40 stitches in the face, like bad wreck. And it was not reported when it happened. And I think they waited until camp to report it. I don't know why. I don't know.

And then usually when they hold back details though, you're always thinking, why do they hold back details? Correct. And why did they not say right then? And if you were to get into a car accident or I was going to get into a car accident and we're fine, like, we would have no problem talking about it. Yeah, man. I changed lanes. and this guy teabone me and 40 stitches, broke a rib, whatever. But when you don't talk about it, it seems fishy.

Yeah. So we'll just wait, I guess, and see. And not only not talk about it, like, hit, basically hit it. Yeah. Because the wreck I read was in the public record, but there were reporters that knew about it that wouldn't even talk about it yet for some reason. Weird. Yeah, that's a weird one.

I did watch the WMBA All-Star game. How was that? See, again, the internet. Did you watch the highlight reel? Yeah. And by highlights, it starts with that three-pointer that's a complete airball. I saw it probably like four different places. And then there's miss layups and miss putbacks and then like steel after steel after steel.

So, Kailen, her parents, and her grandpa was in town. And so he watches a lot of WMBA. Got it. Your wife. Not Caitlin Clark. Well, I'm correct. Well, Caitlin, my wife. Yeah.

I thought you were talking about Caitlin Clark. So they're in town and her grandpa says, we're going to watch the 30-point shootout? Which one? What's he talking about? I said, huh? He goes, yeah, WMBA. I said, oh, so this is Friday night.

So we find it and we put it on. And USA Today was already in a bit of a mess because they had reported that Kailen Clark had skipped the orange carpet, which is the WMBA version of the red carpet in order to get her hair done. Okay. And then they had to come back later and go, oh, sorry, we're wrong. She was actually at a charity event for the Caitlin Clark Foundation. Okay.

It is the wildest retraction. That's so weird. The WMBA, they are cutting off their nose despite their face. Like, they're doing everything possible to slander Caitlin Clark, but she is the only thing that most people care about. Right. Not all, because there have been a few fans of the WMBA that have existed. but new people coming around are coming around because of Caitlin Clark.

I saw a stat that showed all of the engagement for all social media in the WMBA, and they showed the Indiana fever, and they showed every other team individually. And then they showed every other team combined, and it wasn't that of the fever. Wow. Every team combined did not have the social media engagement of just the fever. Now it was just one stat. So USA Today does the article. Caitlin Clark, first there was an article before that where they were comparing

Caitlin Clark and what she does and how she's flopping and then they started talking about Emmett Till and how he was murdered just so close to and they created it. Wild USA Today's story. So much so you read it and you got

you got a little angry because it was totally unneeded and reckless. So then they do the thing where Caitlin Clark skips to go to a charity event. No, skips for her hair. Then it was like, oh sorry, we meant charity event. It's typo.

So, knew she wasn't going to do the three-point shootout. We're watching, and yeah, it was fine. They did the one thing. They had two balls from the logo, but it wasn't the middle logo.

There were three points each. They put, like, State Farm logos a little deeper than the three-point, that's like the three-point elbow area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was kind of cool. That's cool.

Three-point shot to do that. Yeah, I only saw one or two of them to make it. But, yeah, we watched that, and whatever. And then we watched the next night, the actual game. Yeah, what were the names of the teams? Coop and spoon, I think. Coop and spoon.

They were just older players who were being the general managers of the teams. Got it. Got it. And so the Blue team, which was Caitlin Clarkstein, they just her first and just got it out of the way. It was crazy. It was crying. Just blatant. They just, they want nothing to do with her.

The thing is, if she goes away, so does, like, general casual interest in that league, period. Yeah. where would she go? Who knows? Start her own league, play and who know. She's not going to. She doesn't want the attention. She's not even being the one that's so polarizing.

Do you think that there, could there be something that she's done behind closed doors or something that she's done to rub people in the league the wrong way? But it doesn't matter. I understand, I understand the monetary benefits and the opportunity to expand the lead, to make it more eyeballs on the league, all that. I understand all that, but I wonder if there's something that's rubbing everyone the wrong way about it. But it doesn't matter. You think Michael Jordan rub people the right way?

No, I don't know. You think any of those? You pissed everyone on. Larry Bird rub people the right way? No, everybody hated those guys. But if you're undeniable, not only good, but also extremely marketable, that lifts the entire league up. Like they were all flying commercial flights. You know why they're not now?

Why they're flying private? a big part of it because of the sudden new fans and interest because Katelyn Clark got in the league. Yeah. I bought the WMA League Pass. I know. I'm not a fever fan. You've never done that.

No. So it's wild to watch them kick themselves in the nuts over and over again. So that's a weird thing. She played and man, she was chunking balls. She nailed like three out of the first four deep three-pointers. Really? And then she would just go down in chunk. Just chunk.

She ended up being like five or 15. She's just chunking. She scored 17 points. Five for 15. Yeah. I like it. But it was all in there. There's no defense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just get the ball and shoot it. Yeah. I mean, that's like the NBA, all-star game. Yeah. So she... You bet on it? No.

And they won, and she had the second highest points on her team. But it's just so, I don't know, concerning that they continue to try to stamp out the most, marketable and arguably important player in the league. I'm not even saying the best. Asia Wilson's probably the best. I don't know who she is. But she has been for a long time, too. I bet if I saw her, I'd know who she is, but.

Yeah, they just are like, nah, not a girl. It's crazy. Does your wife, Caitlin, enjoy WMBA? Nah. Or is it just you? Me and Caitlin's grandpa. Nice. And there's no other sports on.

But Caitlin's grandpa, though, coached women's basketball. Good point. Right? That makes sense for like 40 years. So that's his sport. Mm-hmm. I saw Obama talking to Caitlin Clark. He was like a practice and he like pulled her aside.

He was like, don't let him suck the joy out of this for you. He said that. He was like this is a hard. Don't let him suck to joy. Because she looks like she just hates it. Yeah. Even when they introduced her, she's like, hey. She does look like that.

And either she's beat down or she has to present that she's beat down and not enjoying it too much because she knows people are, are, They're also using her as a divisive tool, and she doesn't want anything to do with it. Yeah. So, yeah. And she's the top seven player probably in the WMBA right now. Really? Currently? Yeah, I would think.

They rate her number 11 guard, but they just hate her. Of course. But I think she's the top seven player. She's not the best player, but when Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was saying she's not the face of the league, the face doesn't mean you have to be the best. The face is who people know the league for. LeBron is still the face of the NBA Yeah

Lebron is not the best player Lebron is still the face of the yeah he was But you don't have to be the best to be the face You need to be the person that most people know To be the best The person that if someone goes hey Do you watch the WMBA? Not really do you know any players

And like they name that person That's the face of the league Yeah and that's Caitlin Clark It's not who the diehards know Because the diehards are going to know everybody Yeah who did you say Wilson Yeah Aja Wilson Best player

By far And I don't even know her face. I know Paige Beckers. I know Paige Beckers, yeah. Yeah, she plays in Dallas. Sabrina. Her girlfriend won the three-point shootout. A-E-Fud.

A-C-Fud, that's her name? A-Z-I-Z. Oh, A-Z. I'm trying, dude. Any relation to Elmer Fudd? No relation. But, yeah, we watched it. We did it.

It's fine. Yeah, I mean, it's also helps, too, that there's really not much else. To watch right now. For sure. And also, man, when they miss, they miss bad. Big time. Like, they're missing open layups. There's one girl that dunked it.

And it was a pretty clean dunk. She was on a break. Yeah, she made it. But you would have thought how they reacted. She ripped the whole bag part down. Yeah, yeah. Well, because it's kind of like, it's rare. You're right.

You're right. But, man, the one I saw was where four people tried to put it back and everyone was missing. Dude, it was funny. And they kept throwing, like, outlet passes, and then it'd get picked off, and then they threw another outlet pass and it get picked off. They can shoot. People are just funny, dude. No, it's not that.

They can shoot. The ceiling of shooting is good, but just the overall athleticism, if you're comparing it to men, it's not even close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, have you seen, like, the, I don't even know. What? I don't even know. What? Tell me,

have I seen what? Like the women's soccer team. You know, we have a really good. Women's soccer team? National soccer team. Oh, yeah, they're really good. We've won four World Cup. Yeah, dude, they dominate.

They go and play like the 15 and under boys soccer teams to get beat. Is that real? It happens all the time. Oh, no, I haven't seen those. Let me get the. That's crazy. Let me go to chat, TVG. Hold on.

Hello, we were talking about the U.S. women's soccer team and how they're have been instances where they've played friendlies against like 15 and under boys soccer teams and lost can you give me details on that checking the clearest example is from 2017 the u.s women's national team did lose five to two in a closed-door training scrimmage against fc dallas's under 15 boys academy that result came out via an fc dallas post but it wasn't an official match friendlies like that are often used to test fitness and tactics and aren't a reflection of competitive play. Carly Lloyd acknowledged the scrimmage laid as well as the physical differences.

But again, it wasn't a sanctioned game. Yeah, that's like when, remember that documentary I talked about where I think it was the college guys, the best college players played the dream team in a closed door scrimmage and they beat them and no one ever wanted to talk about it. And then finally the college team is like, now we're going to talk about. about this because it was the best day of our life where we beat Michael Jordan in the dream team. That's way different though.

Wow. I know 15 and under. 15 you. Hey, I love how Dallas FC2 is just like, ah, tweet it. Killed them. Like 14 year old boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That's the thing. So it was fun to watch, but you can't compare. It's not fair to compare. It's not. It's not fair. But yeah, that was the highlight clip. Dude, I laughed. It starts with that three-pointer from the bottom corner. I laughed because it started with like highlights from the All-Star game.

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Listen to Podlandia. Ayo, rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, I want to bring on Jason Garrett, former Dallas Cowboys head coach, NBC Sports Analyst. Also got a brand new podcast. that we're going to talk about called Coach to Coach. But Jason, this is a thrilling day for one of the guys on the show

because he is a die-hard Cowboys fan. And he was talking, I won't say smack. But he was just so curious about you going to the Giants. So I'm going to put him on over here. This is Eddie. Eddie, go ahead. Hey, coach. How's it going?

So good to meet you. Eddie, what's happening? I have a question. So should we care about rivalries? Because I hate the commanders. I hate the Eagles. and I hate the Giants coach. And when you went to go coach for the Giants,

I felt betrayed. So should we care about rivalries? Oh, sure. Absolutely. You know, I went and played for the Giants, too. So I had some history. Yeah, I had some history in that organization. But, yeah, rivalries are important.

You know, you think about the Cowboys and all the way back to the 70s with the Redskins. And then, you know, we had great rival, rivalries with, you know, all of them, with certainly the Redskins slash commanders, but then the Eagles and the Eagles was always a bloodbath. And then certainly the Giants through the years. So I think it's what makes sports great. I really do. But then how do you go from being a Cowboys guy? I mean, you were our guy coach and then you go coach for the enemy? Well, it was a tricky decision. and you know, it just you have different opportunities at different times,

and that seemed like a good one at the time. But, you know, I was in the cowboy organization for a long time as a player and a coach. So I still live in Dallas. So much of my life has been a part of that organization and grateful for those times. I do want to ask you, Coach, about being a player. What was it like throw into Michael Irvin? What kind of receiver was Michael? Remarkable, remarkable player.

I could talk for three hours. hours on Michael Irvin. An incredible teammate, arguably the best teammate, any of us had, tremendous work ethic, intensity, passion for the game, the way he practiced every day, certainly the way he played on Sundays off the charts. And was one of those guys as a leader and a marquee player on the team, he knew everybody on the team and went out of his way to support people really throughout his career and since then. And he's a great. He's a great great friend of mine, amazing receiver. He was one of those guys who loved the ball.

So he was always, I would get a chance to go play as a backup quarterback. He said, hey, just throw it in my area. I'll go get the ball. And one thing that I would say about him is, you know, bad things rarely happen when you threw the ball to Michael Irvin. Usually he made a lot of big plays for you. And he certainly never let the defender make a play in the ball. He just had this amazing body control, tremendous passion, competition.

competitiveness to go get the ball. And, you know, if you go back and look at the film of him and Troy Aitpun playing together, you know, there was so much trust between those guys. You know, Michael would run an 18-yard in-cut. The ball would be halfway there before Michael came out of his break, because Troy knew exactly where it was going to be. And like I said, such a big target, nothing bad ever happened, an amazing guy. But I'll give you a quick Michael's story, just the kind of teammate and friend he is.

we opened up a restaurant in Dallas about three and a half months ago. And we had some opening cocktail parties. And so I think it was Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. And it was about 8.30 on Friday night. And the cocktail parties went from six to nine. And he texted me and said, hey, Red, what's going on here? What is this? He said, yeah, we're opening up the restaurant, cocktail party tonight and tomorrow.

And love to have you come by. He's like, I'm going out of town first thing in the morning. How long are you going until tonight? So we're going as long as we need to go. And sure enough he showed up and was the life of the party, but just that kind of a guy, that kind of a friend and teammate to this day. Was it easy for you guys to get a spot at a restaurant? Was it, did you ever pay for your dinner in Dallas?

Like, what was it like being just at the top of the world back then? I mean, I saw the documentary coach. It seemed like a crazy time for you guys. Yeah, it was a crazy time, but an amazing time. And if you reflect on it, you know, it's probably one of the four or five best teams in the history of the National Football League. If you go back to go by decade, go back to Green Bay in the 60s and the Steelers of the 70s, the, you know, the Niners of the 80s, the Cowboys of the 90s. And then the Patriots since then, and there's certainly some other teams, the dolphins had amazing teams, obviously the team that went undefeated. But if you think about a time to win three Super Bowls in four years and in the year that we didn't win,

win, you know, we lost in the NFC championship game to San Francisco, amazing era of football and great coaching and some obviously great Hall of Fame players. And people love football in Texas, as you know. So when the Cowboys are winning Super Bowls like that, it's an amazing experience to be part of it. And we had so many incredible personalities, too. I mean, if you think about it, Troy Aitman, but, you know, you mentioned Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith, Charles Haley, then Dionne Sanders shows up and so many more. So a real cast of characters. You know, I think Daryl Johnson says it best, though. You know, we had a lot of characters on that team.

But it was a self-regulating team. You know, the players really kept each other in line, held each other accountable. And I think that was a big reason for the success. But certainly were fun times in Dallas for all of us. And fortunate to be a part of that experience. When you're the coach and you have a team that is veteran-led like the one you're talking about there, is it so different than when it's not veteran-led? And the organizations that you ran, did you have a team where you had to be more of a coach than other times? Well, no doubt. Sometimes you have a younger team.

And you have teams where you're really trying to empower the guys to take charge and take ownership of the team and understand that it's their team and their time. and it's time for them to make their mark. And, you know, the expression we always used to use is, you know, good teams have a head coach who hold everybody accountable. But the great teams, the championship teams have a head coach, coaches, staff members, captains, leaders, and everybody who hold themselves and each other accountable to the standards. And those championship teams in the 90s certainly did that. And it's something we always aspired to. But sometimes when you have a younger team, you have to almost give the guys' praise.

permission to take over, take charge. And we certainly were fortunate when I was coaching to have some amazing leaders as well. And you think about, you know, Jason Whitten and, you know, Zach Martin and Sean Lee and all these guys, you know, Tony Romo, Dak Prescott, I can go on and on and on with the guys. So we certainly got to that point. But again, allowing those guys to take charge, empowering them, giving them opportunities to do that. I think that's critical for any championship team. In episode one of your new show, Coach to Coach, I saw you had Coach Dungey on

and I have a couple experience with Coach Dungey and just such a kind guy. I don't know if your experience with him as a peer is the same, but not only was he so kind to me in both times that we spent any time together. How does a guy like that, like how does he crack the whip as a head coach at the same time as just being like an awesome human?

Yeah, he's greatness. He really is. He's one of the best people I've ever met. in my life. And, you know, he's lived his life a certain way. And I think anybody who's ever been around him just simply respects him as a guy, first and foremost. And then, you know, he was an amazing player in college at the University of Minnesota, then goes to the Steelers and is part of some Super Bowl teams.

Again, you know, some of the best teams ever assembled. He was part of that. And then coached for a long time there and then in other spots. So I just think he had so much credibility. and when he spoke, his coaches and his players listened, and they respected what he said. He's not a frivolous guy in any way, and he's just someone who I think has set the standard

in so many ways for how to behave in a leadership role and certainly as a head coach, and his success did not happen by accident. Every so often he'll tell a story about how he got mad at the team or he got mad at somebody and raised his voice, voice. He told one of those stories in our podcast together. And, you know, the level of him raising his voice is not that high. But that just the way he did it. And anybody who was around him as a coach or as a player, he just commanded their respect. And, you know, did it as well as anybody. And I was so

fortunate when I went to NBC, he was so generous with me. You know, first getting into TV, I mean, I can't tell you the time he spent with me, showing me different things, sharing different things, sharing different bits of wisdom that he learned along the way. And he's just an amazing guy. I'm fortunate to call him a friend. So in your episode, do you guys talk football or leadership or both? You know, I think the big thing for us is you talk about leadership and team building. And a lot of people are using this word culture so much lately, you know, the environment

that you create when you're in those roles. And, you know, I learned a long time ago that telling stories is something that probably resonates more with the audience. You know, I used to tell stories as a head coach to try to make a point to our team. And so what we try to do is tell some stories about experiences that these guys have had and really the lessons that they've learned. And it's not about yesterday's game, this year's team, any of that stuff. It's more about their experiences.

Hey, coach, when you went to Tampa in 96, you know, and you had a vision for the team, where's that vision come from? And he goes into all the different influences that he's had and, late stories and, again, lessons that he learned along the way. And the thing that I'm most excited about is I think it applies to, I know it applies to people who are in roles. If you're a head football coach, you're a head coach in any sports arena, you know, this is invaluable stuff. But I think, you know, if you're a leader, if you're trying to build a team in any walk of life, I think there are some amazing bits of wisdom that you can learn, you know, from Coach Dongey

and the other guests we've had on. So really fun for me. I learned. so much talking to these guys. If you're a coach and you are extremely personable and liked, do you need a guy on staff that's kind of the headhunter? And then opposite, if you're hardcore, do you need like a player assistant that can be the guy that they lean into when they need to hug? Oh, I always thought it was so important to build a staff that had a lot of different personalities on it.

I always thought, you know, have young guys, have older guys, have loud guys, have quiet guys, white guys, black guys, green guys, blue guys. you know, whatever background origin that you can have to be able to relate to players different ways, the worst thing you can do is build a staff that's identical to who you are. I think you want to be able to interact with players a lot of different ways, and everybody kind of plays off of each other. So I think that's a really important part of it. And you want everybody to be themselves.

You know, authenticity is so important. So I think that's a big piece of this thing too. So I think you have to be really thoughtful while you put the staff together, having a combination of personalities and backgrounds. I think that's what works best in connecting with the team. One of my closest friends is Matt Castle

who played for the Cowboys for a while and him and I'll talk. And he says there was a point in his career where he then, in his mind, he was the backup quarterback, and he needed to be great for the room, meaning the quarterback room. Because he started, he got injured.

Then he was just moving around being the backup at a lot of different places. When you're backing up, are you always trying to get the head job or when did you decide I'm just going to be a great backup? Well, I can relate to what Matt's talking about because I was a backup for 14 years. And, you know, first and foremost, I wanted to be a great teammate. I wanted to be someone who supported the starting quarterback because, you know, when I was in college, I was very fortunate. One of my best friends in the world is Brian Barron. He's actually the president of the Cleveland Guardians now.

He was our backup quarterback. and just an amazing friend and amazing support system for me. And I just appreciated that so much. And I tried to do that for my time in Dallas with Troy and Wade Wilson and Rodney Pete and the other guys for eight years. And then certainly in New York with Kerry Collins and Tampa with Brad Johnson and whoever I was around. So I just knew how important it was. It's a hard job to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

And the last thing you want is to go back into that quarterback room and have some guy who's kind of sniping you from behind. I was all in. I wanted so badly for our starting quarterbacks to play great and do whatever I could to help those guys. So that's not independent of saying I have aspirations too to be a starting quarterback. The biggest thing for me was just be ready

when your opportunity presents itself. And that's always what I tried to do and take advantage of that and see where that takes you. Are the Cowboys going to be good this year? I think they are going to be good. I do. You know, I think you have to remember where they came from. Last year, they won seven games, and if you look at the teams they beat, they really

weren't very good. They beat the commanders twice. They beat the Giants, the Jets, the Raiders. You know, teams that weren't real good. They lost to Arizona. Kansas City, who they beat, had a down year. They did have a great win against Philadelphia, obviously. But, you know, in games where they needed to compete against teams that were,

where they were or better than them, they kind of went away. And I think the easy explanation for that is, you know, the defense wasn't very good. Offense was great, defense was terrible. And certainly the Michael Parsons situation hung over their team. And they're in a much better place now, replacing him with some veteran guys. If you think about Quinn and Williams and Rashon Gary and Kenny Clark, veteran guys who have established themselves in this league. They have some young guys.

The Caleb Downs selection, I think, is excellent. Malachi Lawrence looks like he has a chance to be a big-time rusher. So they're really putting some pieces together on that side of the ball. And offensively, they got a ton of talent. The receivers are off the charts. Dax, to me, is the top five quarterback plays as well as anybody in the league. Offensive line, three first-round picks. So there's a lot of resources there.

And I think they're set up to have a lot of success. The big thing for me is, do they dig in and compete and fight and scratch and clawing? they didn't do that well enough last year and I think that's the next step for them. Mahomes is able to go in camp, but what does that actually mean for him coming off that injury? You know, I don't know. I'm not there. You know, I did see that news. And I think the biggest thing that I learned with injuries is you just have to make sure that you don't rush guys back. And sometimes you have to protect them from themselves because, you know, nobody wants to play more than Patrick Mahomes. I mean, the ultimate competitors. So he's dying and he's trying to convince everybody in that building,

I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. And those guys are professional enough to know that, hey, we're going to decide when you're ready. But, you know, airing on the side of caution and being deliberate and patient with that, I think is really smart. It's a long season. They're not going to play the Super Bowl until February 13th of 2027. So there's a lot of time between now and then. So, you know, my hope is that he takes his time.

really make sure that he's ready to go before he gets back out there. But I know he's chopping at the bit. And I think as an organization, they're chopping at the bit to come back from the kind of year they had last year. My final question, you have Joe Girardi coming up on your show. And I grew up a massive Cubs fan. So he was a catcher for the Cubs with Damon Berry Hill way back in the day. And then he went to the Yankees, obviously, he coached the Yankees. But what do you think the through line is of players who become really good coach or managers?

It's a great question. A lot of people say that it's harder for great players to be great coaches or managers because sometimes things happen so easily for them. You know, the great Ted Williams line, see the ball, hit the ball. And a lot of times those great players just say, go do it, you know. And it was easy for them to just go do it. And maybe a lesser player, a backup player, had to learn all the tricks to the trade to get himself even to a point where you're surviving. and maybe that lends itself to being a better coach as they go forward. But I don't know that there's any particular, you know, formula or through line, like you said, that that connects it all.

But I do know that when you're a backup player, sometimes you're observing a little bit more. And you're seeing what makes a team great and what makes a player great. And you're learning the different techniques. And these are the things you need to do to survive. And sometimes that certainly benefits you going forward. You know, visiting with Joe, he was phenomenal. I just, you know, he's a good friend of mine, and we could have talked for four hours

because he's such a good guy, and he related some of his experiences, being around those great Yankee teams as a player in the 90s and what made those teams great, and then some of the lessons he learned that he tried to apply as a manager himself when they won the World Series. And he's so articulate.

He represents all things that are good to me in life. he's a great family man but you know just his passion for the game and doing things the right way it all comes through and he was such a fun guy to talk to some of the guest coach has on a show coming up coach to coach andy reed sean peyton joe madden who was massive for me again being a cubs fan like that was it 2016 that was like the holy grail he's he's freaking greatness um again i keep saying this but i could have talked to him for four hours and he's such a he's such a funny interesting He's got a great perspective on life. And he tells some great stories about that run in 2016

and the different decisions he had to make. So, so much fun having him on as well. Guys, check out Coach to Coach on YouTube or Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Coach, really appreciate the time. I hope the podcast gets you everything you want out of it. And, you know, hopefully we'll see you back on the sidelines. What's up with that?

You coming back or what? Well, we'll see. I'm just living it each day and enjoy what I'm doing at NBC right now. excited. I don't know if you know, we're going to travel to the games each week this year. So, you know, Maria Taylor and Devin McCordy, Mike Tomlin and I will be on the sidelines each week. So excited about that. I'm doing the Notre Dame games. So fun stuff ahead at NBC, but, you know, I just take it one day at time and try to brace the moment. Coach, thank you for your time. Good luck with the show. And hopefully we'll talk to you soon.

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Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, before we go, I heard it kick off. off Kevin, who's not here today because he's on vacation. Yeah. I heard he got out of the Bobby Vone Show group chat. He did. What happened? I don't know. He just, we were talking about some stuff or sending pictures to each other

to post. Like, hey, do we have any pictures of you guys doing something on the weekend? We're going to post that. Cool. And out of nowhere, Kevin just says, I don't think you guys need me in this chat. So I'm just going to let myself out. And we were like, what? And before we can even like respond to him, it said Kevin has left the conversation. What do you think happened? I think maybe he has just seen too much conversing about stuff that doesn't pertain to him. And he's just like, I really can do without all the buzzing, my phone buzzing over and over stuff that I really don't care about. And it doesn't concern me.

But does it ever concern him in that chat? I'm not in that good chat. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes like, hey, we're all going to do this and he's part of it. You know, it's everyone that works for the show. But he just saw himself out. I thought that was interesting. Who told you? Amy.

Yeah. And then he was not here today on the show because he's on vacation. Well, the crazy thing is, he used it a week before to find crutches. You're right, Mike. He used the chat. Mike, what do you think happened? I guess he got annoyed by the buzzing, but even then just silence it. Like, mute the notifications.

Oh, I just ignore. Like, I ignore you guys all the time. I have been in group chats that I just mute the notifications. Where if I look at my phone, it's there. but it doesn't pop up as a notification. You can just mute it? That's an idea. It'll show up as a red number, but it doesn't buzz or actually even pop up on my screen.

But if I go to see if I have any mistextextex or any text at all, it'll be part of the numbers. But I'm not in any group anymore. Yeah, you're in the Dallas Cowboys. I guess it's not football season, so I'm not in. What's it called? Latinos for Cowboys? I don't know. We've changed it a few times.

What are we saying, Mike? It just feels weird to me, like, very definitive to leave the conversation. Dude, I don't know where. You're right, and it's weird because you feel like that's a big step to let everyone know you're leaving. Like, hey guys. And then it says it like, Kevin has left the conversation. What if he would have just left? Is it better or worse?

I would say it's worse. I would say it's worse if it just said like Kevin has left the conversation. So what did you say before his hurrah? Because that matters too. If he said something like, hey, I'm going on vacation for a week and a lot of. of this is stuff that doesn't pertain to my job. I'm going to hop out of this. Okay, I don't feel so weird about that.

You want me to read a verbatim? Yeah, go ahead. He says, I'm going to bounce out of this chat. Please hit me up on the side for any show stuff if deeded. Thanks. Whoa. It sounds like years and years of like putting up with crap. Like, what?

We haven't talked about anything crazy on there. Just like. We don't use it that often. No, we really don't. And that's funny. Mike said he did use it for his own advantage the last time we talked. And I brought him crutches because of the group chat. You know, you can.

put them back in. You can? Yeah. All you gotta do is Adam. We're gonna do that then. Like you can get on your phone right now and Adam might be back in. No, no, no, no. Not so fast, mister. He will not even know he's back in until it starts blowing up his phone again. Because you can add someone easily. That's funny. Yeah. Who knows? That was weird. For sure. A three-person one, though, you can't get out of.

Okay. It just has to die. You can't, I don't think you can remove yourself from a three-person group chat, but you guys have a big one, though. And does it have to be the person that opened it up or the person that started the group chat? I think you can do it right now. You can go into that. And there's an add to group chat. And you can just add Kevin back in. Like it never happened.

You're back, buddy. And Mike, you can just say, remember those crutches? That's what I thought. I see it. Kevin, he's back. Are you adding him back? I'm having them back. He just blocks us all.

There we go. He's back. Mike, do you see he's back? Let's see. Does it say Kevin's re-entered? Eddie has added Kevin to the conversation. Dude, that is genius. Tell him.

We need to talk about this. We're not done. You can't just leave. Don't you walk out on me. Dude, that's funny. Thank you. Yeah. That's good stuff.

That's funny. All right, we're done. Thanks to Jason Garrett. For coming on. Yeah, that was awesome. I hope you guys have a great rest of the week. We'll catch up soon. All right, Eddie Blow it.

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