The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Patrick Mahomes is Just Like the Rest of Us + Our Visit to Indiana to Visit the Pacers + Could the Broncos Move up for a Top QB?

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

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I got a couple questions for you guys. Number one, what did you think about Patrick Mahomes' dad bodd picture? I didn't see it. You haven't seen it? No. But I bet he's ripped, so... He isn't. Oh, so that's the dad bod. He looks loose.

You can kind of see it on the field, though. What do you mean? Like, you can see a little pudge on him. You can? Yeah. I mean, I guess I didn't expect him to be ripped, and it also shows you to be a good athlete. you don't have to be somebody that's in the gym doing 100 crunches every five seconds.

I mean, there are other quarterbacks. Look at Peyton. Look at Eli. I mean, your boy, Mac Jones. In college. Yeah, but you said good quarterbacks? Yeah. So he's not as shredded.

That doesn't mean he's not a great athlete. I think at times we are often confused because there are a lot of great athletes that are naturally shredded. Or part of that Venn diagram of people that work out a lot also. are better at doing athletic things. This is bizarre, though. His, what? He's an elite athlete. Again, my point is you don't have to have abs to be an elite athlete.

I understand. Like, there's Luca Donchick, too. He looks like he ate 20 tacos before the game. Yokich. Yokich, but yet he moves really good. We saw a guy the other than Indiana State. It looks soft, dude, but he could move. Marcus Russell, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

So, I mean, it's just weird that you're an elite athlete, and you can really look like you're not eating healthy or really working out every day. I kind of love it. Because it normalizes it? Not even the normalizing of it, but he doesn't care. Well, he's married kids. I mean, why should he?

Right? He's rich. Yeah. He's got everything. He's a super champ. You could still care because it's an image thing. All that stuff is fine. But, I mean, your image matters to you, and his obviously does for other reasons.

But there's this picture of him just chill and it's just got to, I mean, because we all got that little pooch. Not like that, though. Eddie, yes, you do. No, you know what, though? I saw it right now, and I was like, that looks like my body. Which is crazy, but he is an elite athlete. Maybe you're more elite than you think then.

Oh, man. And did you see the video of Hughes Check and McCaffrey out swinging the golf club on the, and they had their shirts off? They're ripped. A writ. From like 50 yards away, you could see their abs. So genetically, and they work hard, but genetically, like McCaffrey's grandfather, I think, at one time it was the fastest man in the world.

What? Either as a grandfather or great-grandfather. father. His dad, Ed, played for Shanahan's dad, together, and won a Super Bowl. Ed McCaffrey? Wide receiver. Wow. Like a white, wide receiver, and it was even weird then. You don't remember Ed McCaffrey?

No, I don't remember Ed McCaffrey. Do you? Yeah, oh, yeah. Broncos, yeah. He has a brother too, right? Yeah. So he has people that are playing, he was playing it right. And he's playing a wide receiver.

He was playing quarterback. All his family, his mom was like a stand. It is. That's crazy. Genetically, but it still takes hard work as well. Yeah. But I mean, when hard work meets genetics like that, that's when you get that ultimate athlete.

Yeah, McCaffrey's grandfather. Former World Record Holder at 100 Meter in the 1960 Olympic silver medalist. That's legit. It's a silver medalist, so he wasn't the fastest. Well, that doesn't. No, no, you can lose the Olympics, but also have set a time in like a world. Different record. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm not even sure that's it, but I'm just saying logically you can be the fastest man ever and only win a silver. You think there's still pressure, though, on you for, like, being in that family and pressure for you to be good at whatever you're doing? I don't know if there's pressure because it's so natural that they're such good athletes, that maybe the pressure is to pursue not to be good. Because you could be burned out by all of it. If all your family's doing sports all the time, and all you want to do is dance. That happens, man.

Yeah, right. Or work on cars. Yeah, yeah. So I don't think the pressure is to be good. the pressure, if there is, is to be like the rest of the family and do what the family does. It's like military families. There's probably pressure to be in the military. If your grandpa and your dad or police, you know. Yeah, Lieutenant Dan. So the pressure isn't to go and be the greatest military man. It's probably just to be in the

military, like everybody else. But shout out Patrick Mahomes. Normalize it. Because, listen, the chiefs are becoming a team that people are starting to root against because of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift, which I'm so pro Taylor now. because everybody's hating on them, so I'll just go the opposite. It's hilarious. I love it. Even Kelsey, though, don't you feel like he's...

I mean, he's not ripped. It doesn't look like it. No. He's so big, though. But, like, Gronk is big, but Gronk is ripped. Is he? Does he have abs? Oh, yeah.

Like, I feel like George Kittle probably is an ab man. And I feel like George Kittle's probably the best tied in in the NFL. The best over Kelsey? Yeah. Wow, wow, wow, boldo. Hot take, hot take. I don't think it's that hot. Really?

I think all around. blocking, catching. I mean, he has, Kelsey has Mahomes and has better numbers, but I think Kittle is probably the better. I just think this. The Kittles probably the better tied in. If I had to pick one on my team to have, I think I would take Kittal because he also is able to be an offensive lineman.

Did you see him pancake Hutchinson? I did see it. Hard pancake, too. Woo! Yeah, hard pancake. I love a hard pancake. What? What?

I like him soft. I love a hard pancake. Okay. Chocolate chips? The Broncos, maybe. You want to trade up for Caleb Williams. Oh, really? Listen, there's a lot of stuff that happens during the draft,

the pre-draft, where people also put rumors out to try to sink people. But the Broncos have the 12th pick overall, and Sean Payton says he really would love to have that top quarterback on the board. And if not that, one of the top quarterbacks on the board. I don't know that the bears are going to trade out of that unless somebody gives them an offer they can't refuse because they do have fields. And if they gave them such an offer, they couldn't refuse. They could go, well, we do have fields,

and we were already thinking about it, even though we weren't going to do it, I just can't see them trading out of that one spot. But that's from SportsCedia. You guys like keeping track of all this stuff back and forth? Of like, ooh, they're saying that they're looking for this guy. I don't know if I like keeping track of it, but I read it because that's what I do.

At first, yeah, but by the time April rolls run, it's like, all right, let's just do this thing. I should figure out if I'm going to cash out my Can't City Chief Super Bowl bets because now it's not two. Or do I cash out some of them? Yeah, how many do you have? I can get to it in a minute. Let's do the tittle tattle.

It's time for the stupidest name ever. It's the tittle tattle with kickoff. After three of the four teams and the CFP lost their head coach this year, which one do you think has the best shot to get back to make to the final four? So you're saying a new coach on one of the teams that were in the final four, the championship there? Yes. Well, the Alabama situation is interesting because DeBore is an awesome coach, but they lost a bunch of players,

and we still have to wait until the portal opens back up and they can get players now. because that's going to happen. Like Alabama's going to get some legit players when the portal opens up again, like spring. So that Alabama team right now, I don't think are loaded for another championship, but I think they could be. So I'm going to push that off.

Jedfish in Washington, Jedfish came from Arizona. Arizona had a good year. They had a much better year than anticipated. Jetfish is a good coach. Washington, not the president. program that Alabama is probably have a little more trouble in getting big portal players. I don't, I think it's going to be Michigan and Sharon Moore because he,

that staff is all, it's still in place. Yeah. The player, that's at least the most consistent. I don't think he's the coach I would want. He's probably in order of the number two of the three. Who was one, Caleb? Oh, yeah, Canada, DeBoer. I'd give a left neuter to have him. He's awesome. And people are like, I don't know if Alabama's going to be. Well, yeah, he's on the greatest college coach of all time. Right. Saving. Sure. But it's awesome. So I would probably go for next year, Michigan. I think they'll be loaded up and ready to go and a lot of continuity there with that staff.

Okay. Next one here. As Tom Brady is set to replace Greg Olson in this booth next year, do you think Fox is making the right call? I think they're making the right call, and I think that it sucks because Greg Olson's awesome. But you just can't turn Tom Brady down. Even if he's not that good in the booth, he'll get better, and he's also way famed. and he's going to make news for other things and draws back attention to him. He also is doing football. It's like if Michael Jordan was going to call basketball games and he sucked.

You'd still want to get Michael Jordan to call your games. Sure. At least give it a shot. Greg Olson's awesome. He's the best. Is he done done? No. Okay.

He's going somewhere else? Well, the thing, I was listening to him on Dan Patrick and he's like, I still want to call big games. I'm going to look at my options. So Brady's got a 10-year, $37 million deal. Basically $37 million a year. Man, that's great. And so Olson could either go to the booth or coach, but he's so good in the booth and came up organically. It was just an athlete who was going to do some, you know, color.

And he's good looking, so it kind of like made sense. Yeah, he's fine looking. You know? He's good looking. I mean, I don't look. I mean, I don't get a boner. But I mean, I look at him. What?

I don't either. You just look at the guy and you're like, that's why. But Tom Brady's replacing him. Oh, totally. And I do get a bone. Yeah. Yeah, that's the difference. Exactly.

It's wrong with you today, man. Greg Olson's going to do well wherever he goes. I want to see him somewhere. Somebody else will take him and make him their number one guy. You think Brady's going to be good? Yeah, eventually. Did you see him making his rounds the other day? He was like on the McAfee show, Colin Coward, talking football?

Dude, I mean, you can't help but just to be in awe of him. No, you're in awe because you love that. I'm not kidding. I had friends who are not Patriots fan to text me. He's going to be great. He's good. Just saying, all right. With the Super Bowl in Vegas, what are the odd someone gets in trouble

for gambling on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being a lock. I'm going to say two. Now, here's the thing. If you're on the two teams, you can't even walk in a casino. That's why they have them 30 minutes off the trip. If you're playing for Kansas City or on the staff, if you're playing for San Francisco to go on and you can't even go to casino. Bro, you go to a convenience store in Vegas and they have a slot machine.

I hear you, but that's not how you go down. The airport. If you're a player, that's not how you go down. Yeah, you land at the airport, man. But that's not how you go down as a player. And also a private airport, no, there are no slot machines. Okay. Not one? Mm-mm.

No, you've been with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just joking. It's like free food. The other thing is, if you're in the NFL at all, you can't go in the sports book until the Super Bowl is over. So you can gamble, but you can't go on a sports book at all. So is there a chance somebody gets trouble?

Yes. Will it be one of the two teams? No, because it's so obvious that could be a problem, that it won't be a problem. Now, will they get busted with the hooker? Maybe. No, no rules against that. Different set of Vegas. All right.

All right. last one with Ben Johnson saying in Detroit, do you think the Lions will be a top four team in the NFC next year? Yeah, and I was surprised he stayed, but the word was he was asking for a lot of money because he wanted to stay and if someone met his money, then he'd have to make a tough decision, but the Lions

ranked first in yards per game, and then fourth in points per game. He's obvious, for two years in a row, he's going to be a head coach. So other than Josh Reynolds, who dropped the ball. I know. People who give it Dan Campbell Campbell such a hard time, but Josh Reynolds dropped a ball.

Oh, yeah. So, oh. Even the last fourth down, or second to last one when they were still up 10 or whatever it was, it was still a decent throw, fourth and three, I think. And he dropped it. So I think they'll be really good again next year. All right, that's the tittle tittle tattle. 25 whistles presented by Draft King's Sportsbook,

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No, no, no. I've been looking. Come on, bones. I'm going all money lines here, though. Celtics over the Lakers, money. I do. Kevin, please. Go see.

Let him talk. Kevin, let me talk. The Jazz over the Sixers, money line. Embed, still out? No, he's in. I know, it's game to game. It's like, who's he up against? Is he heard it right?

But if he misses like four more games, he can't be in the MVP race. I know. Four or five, depending on what it is now. He's the best player, yeah. And then that pace is, and Knicks, that line is, Knicks are our favorite by three, but you know what? I'm big Pacers guy.

Even though we had to pull our episode of the Pacers, I'm going Pacers Money Line over the Knicks. Man, Pacers with Siakum, let's go. Pacers' money line over Knicks, even though they're underdog. So we got all money line, Celtics, Pacers, Jazz. Collect your smiles. Let's go. I like it. If you want to take the 25 Wistles Parlay, you can check out Draft King's Sportsbook. New users use the code Bobby Sports

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Sorry, I just got some breaking news. Break it. Break it. Breaking news. Break it. Eddie, your guy, defense coordinator, Dan Quinn. He is leaving. Go to the commanders?

Yep. Wow. Yep. That sucks for the commanders. Yeah. Wait, what? It sucks for the commanders and for Dallas. Just why? Lois in a great defensive coordinator in Dallas.

I just don't think he's that. Defensive head coaches, not the thing right now. Oh, you're talking about as a head coach. The last five Super Bowls have all been offensive. Look at this year, two offensive guys. Yeah. Good for him. He'll bring some stability there.

I like him. I met him. I sent time with him. Really? Yeah. But I don't like, that's tough. And for the Cowboys side of it,

man, just watching that defense go from the top defense to not really good towards the end of the season. Oh, breaking news. The new defensive coordinator is Reed.

What? Come on, baby. Okay, we can make that work. We can make that work. Hey, I can do it. He's like, guys, tonight we're going to watch Charlene's Chocolate Factory.

Have patience out there. Have patience. You're down 40 to nothing. Have patience. We'll make a good play. We're not watching game tonight. It's the easiest game ever. Here's our sit down with Pacer's center, Miles Turner.

We love this guy. Oh, he's awesome. We went for too much access. You can't watch it because the NBA made us pull it down. Hopefully he gets to go back up soon. But he's a former first round pick, the longest tenured Pacer on the current roster. Here he is, Miles Turner. Miles, we were at the game last night.

It was a fun one. Hell yeah. That environment was crazy. It was awesome. It was a Monday night, and I was surprised that the place was so packed out on a Monday. The Celtics, good club. and you guys were playing a man down for a lot of the game because Halliburton went down with injury

and you guys still like play tough, scrappy. Last night did you feel like it was a scrappier game than normally because you guys had to a little bit adapt to like one of your main guys being out? Yeah, anytime a man goes down, you have to find a way to rally together or whatnot. We just kept telling us if we can make it to halftime. You got hurt like three minutes left going to half.

We could just make it to half time. We were to regroup and get where we need to be. But, man, you said it, man, just for a Monday, that type of environment just to, you know, playing the Celtics, like, it felt like a playout environment in the middle of the season and whatnot. And, you know, the city has really embraced us just as a team and just as an organization. We've had, like, a whole bunch of sellouts this year. I mean, I've been here my entire career and this is the most I've seen, like the field house, like, you know, like jumping in live

like this. So it's a perfect time to be a Paceous fan. Being a Texas guy, what is Indianapolis like? When you first move here, what was the slight culture differences? Oh, it's cold. I just say that it's cold, bro. Yeah, like it is. That's the obvious. So, but like, What was the big difference you moved here? You've been here the whole time. Yeah, I mean, a big thing being from Texas, you know, we were kind of just talking about before. Everybody loves football in Texas.

Texas is all football all the time. It's like a different religion out there, you know. You come here, it's a flip. It's all basketball. People love their basketball out here. And that was, you know, being a hoopper and whatnot and growing up in that football culture, being able to be embraced like that from the jump out here. I mean, you go to high school games and it's packed out, like, you know,

like if you're coming to one of our games and whatnot. Being embraced in that culture was huge for me. And it made me love it, like, right away. And, yeah, man, it's just a great hoop. state. You know, what's interesting is Texas, because you went to UT, Texas, and, well, we love in Tennessee, so UT is Texas to us. But then they're all saying UT too. I'm a girl with the Tennessee. She's just saying that. Yeah, yeah. So, I feel like UT's Texas. But so you went to UT and Texas is known mostly as a football school. So even when you're, you know,

a freshman and like you're that dude, still, that's a football college for the most part, but coming to a place where they basketball, they're A1, that's got to be really refreshing. Bro, it was awesome because, I mean, you just, you almost feel like the little brother on campus in a sense like, you know, you're big bro, clearly seven feet tall walk around campus, but you're a little bro when it came to like just the history and the culture of, you know, what it was being down south. But no, I come here to the Midwest and, you know, even just traveling, where you'll see Pacers fans just like randomly like in L.A. or just like, you know, even when we go to like, even back home in Texas or whatnot, like that is something that I

wasn't really like a custom to and whatnot. And just, like I said, it's all about culture, man. It's just real, it's a real thing. I can take off my glasses and people won't come up to me at an airport or out in public because I don't look like I look when people see me, right? This is probably the most recognizable thing about me of my glasses. However, you cannot be shorter. No, not at all, man. Spex are fire, by the way. I love the specs.

Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah. But, no, I was a running joke, me and my boys, I used to think all the time, I could throw on a hoodie and then no one ever noticed. I think you guys would never know. You know what I mean? And, you know, it was going to Target or just going like just to, I don't know, pump the gas or whatnot.

I'm thinking I can't throw on a hoodie. I'll be cool, but it's like, nah, bro, you can't high seven feet. like no matter how much you try to like duck and dodge but i just embraced it man i just i try to be a man of the people or one-now-and-out and try to respect you know just the fans and whatnot and uh it's a mutual respect that's another good thing around the city no one really just like bothers you bothers you know maybe a picture here and there but no one's really just in your face all the time but then they got respect for you know what we do you know embrace like our line of work eddie's 511 he claims to be six foot so i mean you're listed as six 11 and a half

why don't i cheat that extra half inch bro it's even crazy if i go to the doctor i got I'm 6-11 to 3 quarters. You know, for the longest time, I was just saying it just kind of depends on how I feel. When the people asked me one day, they'll be like, oh, 6-11. Today, I'm like, you know, it's a 7-foot kind of day. Yeah, you know, I'm 7-foot. It just kind of depends on how I'm feeling that day. But I don't know, just, you know, the NBA really cracked down on the whole, like, height thing a couple of years ago.

So I've been stuck at 6-11, 3-quarters. Was that with your shoes on? Yeah, with your shoes on. So I'm 6-10 to 3 quarters out of my shoes. Just can't win. Can't you put on thicker shoes? Yeah, if I really wanted to, but at the same time. Oh, it's, yeah.

Oh, for sure. High heels. Yeah. Bones comes in high heels. Miles, so, like, you know, we do a lot of us want to be taller, you know? Like, we think it's so cool to be tall. Like, what, what's it like to be seven foot in the world? Definitely a different view on life.

I mean, it has up and downs. I've, you know, a couple years ago, I had a list of concussion because I was on my phone and I wasn't paying attention. I smack my head on a door on a doorway, like to the point where I'm like, I'm kind of down on the ground. It's like, oh, my God. So I was out for like a week and a half. Really?

Oh, yeah. No, I was out. bro, like it was a straight cushion, saw a white flash and everything. So that part of it sucks. But, no, it's a different perspective on life. I mean, you get to just do things that. Other people can't do. You can read stuff on the top cabin and stuff like that.

You can get the good cereal. Yeah, good cereal. Yeah, good cereal. What about airplanes, though? Like, you know, like a mini Cooper, ever gotten one of those? Nah, I never. Struck cars are definitely struggling, bro. I've driven trucks, like my entire life.

A big pickup truck guy. But airplanes, like, if I don't have an exit or a first-class seat, I can't fly. Like, whatsoever. Like, either my feet are going to be up. like this or the person next me just going to get it like I don't know when did that happen for you when did you grow the most and did it did it hurt because it was so fast uh yeah man I was probably my biggest growth spurt well honestly was my feet I went from my size 14 to 18 in a matter of like two and a half a weeks bro we're at 18 I'm a size 18 I'm 16 I'm just kidding I'm not

I'm going to win 18 since I was like 15 years old man and couldn't really get shoes and stuff when I was younger but the height part um knees and knees and my back always ached but I grew from 6-4 to about 6-8-6-9. How old? 15? Yeah, I went from my first sport. I was probably like, yeah, it was my freshman year, so I was 15 years old, going into my sophomore year. Then after that, I progressively grew an inch every year.

It's like 6-11 in high school. If you're 15 and your 6-3 or 6-4, whatever you said, that's large even for that. Yeah. So were you, did you have ball handling skills at 15-16? Because, you know, you've seen a lot of the big guys now, they come up with ball-handling skills. It's a big credit to my dad.

I didn't want to. I wanted to just be a straight post player. I wanted to just have my jump hook and drop steps up and under's and all that stuff. But he made me stay after every practice and work on my jump shot and my ball handling. And I thought that was stupid. I was like, I don't need to do this. I'm tall that everybody. Because I'm telling you it's going to be a day where you're going to be able to do everything. And then literally, I've seen the NBA shift from my rookie year to now. Like you said, everybody has to be able to do everything. And, you know, be credited and upst to him for that. One of my friends plays for Oklahoma City. And when he played college ball, he was six nine, six, ten listed around there and he was, you know, a four for the most part.

Occasionally he played, you know, just a straight post. But now that he's in the league, he has to play more of a three at times and he has to shoot outside a lot more. So he's had to develop that part of his game a whole lot more. But he's shooting like 35% from three, but he didn't shoot a lot of in college because he didn't need to shoot a lot of it in college. So when you were in high school and college, were you still taking lots of mid-range outside shots or were they like, now you're the best here?

We're going to win with you inside. What were you able to do? So high school, you know, you're pretty much the man, right? You're a big man on campus. You know, whatever the hell you want to do. I was shooting threes. I was doing whatever. Like, you know, I was pulling up from half court.

Like, just whatever I wanted to do. When you get to college, it's a little different. I was very highly tired of recruit, but I came into more of a system. And I didn't shoot a lot of threes in college. Like, maybe 12, 15 threes I probably brought up on the entire year. Could you, though? Yeah, I definitely had the capability, but I didn't put it, like, on display as much I would have liked to. And even my rookie year, I didn't really shoot a lot of threes. Then as I started

working and working and realizing where the game was coming to, it was all threes and layups, no longer mid-range and whatnot. So I was able to, you know, get my percentages up. And I've spent a lot of time working on my threes in the summertime and obviously, you know, shoot threes at this day. You're kind of a veteran around here. Like you've been with in indie your entire career. Like you said, when rookies come in or the younger guys come in, do you kind of talk to I'm got a little bit about money and life a little bit since you kind of know what to do with that in the NBA. Yeah, to an extent. I mean, I think there's a big curve you have to figure out, like, on your own.

You can really have some of a taste on those blue in the face until you actually go through this yourself or go through the trials relationship yourself. You're not going to fully be able to appreciate or understand this. So if I see, you know, a rook, I don't know, splurgeon or don't going crazy, I might be like, hey, man, like, you know, let's think, let's take long term here. But for the most part, it's not really like that. Like, you have a locker room full of, like, this younger generation is, like, a lot smarter and whatnot. They have more and more stuff. You have people on TikTok that can show you how to manage your money now. Like, it's just a little different.

But being the big brother figure is more important than anything because it's a long, grueling season, man. Like you play 82 games, play four or five times a week. That's the part where Rooks probably, like, struggle the most is just trying to figure out what to eat, how they're, how to get their bodies, right, how to maintain their sleep, you know, waking up on the road and I'm sitting here in, like that little stuff is the stuff, they need more help with that was up. Do you think that with the current environment in college basketball where players are now able to make some money with NIL, that that that actually, like warms it up to get to the NBA because they're going from no money or what to actually a lot of money especially if they're you know a first round draft pick like that's got to help a bit you've already got an agent sort of and you're making some money so maybe even before you draft a kid you can kind of see what he's doing in that part of his life as well well yeah that's a great way

of looking at it I just think that the biggest goal for a lot of us is you know you know putting our parents put our families in better positions or whatnot so I think the NIL is obviously a great thing to have the introductory phase to it. But I think a lot of that money at that time probably go back to your family. Whereas when you get to the league and you start actually making money for yourself, like you start doing more stuff for yourself. Like I don't know whether it's like starting your 401K

right away or I don't know, like my first purchase was like I told you my pickup truck. Like that was like a big thing for me. Like something I always wanted. So it definitely helps the introductory phase. If GMs are looking at spending habits and all that type of stuff from there, it might be a little too like, you know, micromanaged. But it is definitely a good like gauge

you know, to, you know, coming to this level, I was said. I try to stay somewhat fit, and I've had a couple TV shows where I've had to be fit for the show, like climbing stuff or living in the wilderness, that kind of crap. But I just now started to really focus on stretching. Even in the past, like I couldn't go down to my shins, but now I can go almost palms, almost palms to the floor, never been able to do that. How important, and when did you kind of embrace that, I won't say next level, but I used to just run and lift, run and lift and get better at the skill.

but until I started doing like stretching like I now feel like I can do things better simply because of the stretching and like that tier two exercise. Bro, it's huge for us because biggest thing about stretch is injury prevention. When those tissues are like long and able to like this to your ability

elongate your tissue and your muscles and whatnot, you're saving yourself maybe five, six years in your career. For me personally, I started doing yoga like a lot, maybe like my second and third year. But I was doing yoga more for like just that what you said like the stretching and the aspect of things.

And I really started doing yoga for like the mental aspect of things. meditation, just the actual escape from reality and whatnot like that, part of it was huge for me. But being able to be limber, especially how tall, you know, I am and whatnot, it's huge, you know, for what I do. So, um, big ups to you know, for even able to actually get through that. I'm like, it's like too late. It's too late. But I, like, maybe I can like get three or four extra years of life, you know, you're trying to get a few more in the league. I'm trying to get a few more in the big league. I hear you know, the big league. The big league of life.

last night we were watching you play and you're always working. Like that's how I would describe it. Like it didn't matter if the ball was with you or not. We were watching, we were watching you last night. And you were just always working in the paint, getting out, getting back in. Sometimes are you just like, give me the freaking ball. Look who's on me. Like mouse in the house last night a couple times with you.

And I was like, get him the ball. Yeah, man. We're not going to go too into that. But, you know, one thing I've had to learn. learn, you know, being in my position is, you know, early in my career, I would just stand still. I would either just be standing in the corner or just stand on the block just waiting for something to happen. I'm at the point of doing my career now where I're trying to make stuff happen, whether I'm setting a flare screen, whether I'm trying to like run up and cut

or get this guy open to get myself a chance. Like, yeah, when you have smaller guys on you, you're constantly thinking, look, look, look, but then your guards are always looking at a whole bunch of different things, like, how do I score? How do I get everybody else involved? So it's just a, you have to be a well-o machine, you know, doing things the right way. But a lot of that for me is just being demonstrative and be like, yo, we're yelling or cussing somebody out. Like, yo, I need the ball. But, like, you're right. I'm very active.

You know, I try to never stand still because now I'm doing myself and my team of the service. All right. Final five questions. Miles, as a big, you're guarding the paint and these little guy comes in and does a euro on you. Is it frustrating when you're just like, come on, dude, those? I saw three steps. Like, I saw that. Unfortunately, it's the NBA, man.

And traveling is something that is just, you know, So they're, they, it's very rare that they'll call it. It has to be so obvious. But like guys get away with a lot of stuff in this league and whatnot. And, you know, I just, I'm passive, like the part of frustration. It's just like, damn, either I'm just going to foul them, we're going to block it. Like, I'm not giving shit out the trouble. This program, I like the Pacers, because the Pacers feel like they care.

I don't know why I feel like that. But the Pacers feel like it's an organization that, like, cares about their players. Why do I feel like that? Because you're seeing it, man. I think that we've developed such an amazing culture here. It's not like this everywhere else. I mean, I've only been here, so I'm biased, of course. But I hear from other free agents and other players that, you know,

just taking care of something simple as taking care of players' family. Like when they come in here and making sure they're good. Like, they go the extra mile to make sure, you know, friends and family, you know, wife's daughters, all that are fine. Even if it's our off day, like we need, I don't know, bringing someone to wash our cars or something like that. Like, it's very first-class service, like everything you do here, you know, especially in indie.

Like I said, I'm not exactly sure what it's like everywhere else, but I know it's not as good as it is here, you know? So who is, if you see you're matched up with blank, you're like, oh, man, this is going to be a, because they just go. Like, it's going to be a tough night. There's a couple, man. I mean, the guys like, you know, like Yokch in Denver, he's, his imprint on the game is everything. He can do more than a score. He can facilitate. I mean, he's about damn to 300 pounds.

Like, it's a lot to deal with or whatnot. And B's the same way. I mean, there's guys, like, even the kid in Houston, like, Sangoon, like, he's someone who's very mobile or whatnot. There's a lot of active bigs, you know, nowadays. It's not just guys that are, you know, blocking shots and rebounding and facilitating. Like, there's a lot more to the game now. Who's your one? You're like, if I see this, I know it's going to be a long night for me.

Or at least a hard night. Like, you're going to sweat a little more. I can't let him know. All right. I see that. Fairly. I see that. Miles, I hate Legos, dude.

Like, I tell you why I hate them. I'll tell you why I hate them because I have four kids. And every time I try to get to the kitchen, at some point, I'm going to step on Lego, and it's going to piss me off. And I hate them. Okay. What do you love so much about them? Well, I'm not a father yet, so I haven't, I guess, experienced that notion of it. But my biggest thing, bro, is this such an escape for me because, like, I think I have a very, like, I'm not diagnosed, but the ADHD thing and, like, the super, like, I have to be doing, like, three or four things at one time.

That's really helped calm me down with that. Like, whenever I have a. like a hard day or a hard game, something like that. I don't do anything in basketball. I shut all that out. Like I don't get on Twitter. I don't, in nothing. I go there and I just build, bro,

and I can be in there for hours. And whether I'm just doing an actual like set or just free building it whatnot, it just takes my mind off of everything. You know, my people, you know, my people that live with me not to bother me. Just like, I'm just in my space and my zone. And then obviously, you know, I've put out a lot of, you know, my content with my work and whatnot and sometimes take a lot of pride in, you know. You draw and paint because you're like an artist.

Yeah. No, exactly how I like to view myself. I mean, even just stuff I do on the court, it's like a byproduct of my art. But I could draw a little bit. I mean, I try to paint. Even if they can draw a little bit, they can draw. Not no grand, you know, artists or whatnot.

But when it comes to the painting and stuff, but yeah, I can express myself pretty well in different ways. When you build a piece, is it together forever? Do you glue it? Do you glue it? That's a big Lego sin. You never glue the Legos together. I mean, if you're like a, I don't know,

you're at a museum or something like that, and you're doing like some auctioned off work, then maybe. But like the glue just makes everything a mess. And it's like impossible like just to you mess up like you screwed. You know what I mean? I would just glue them together when I got them. They're like, that don't work.

That's my excuse. That's why I can't do it. All right. Final question. Basketball, a big part of your life, obviously, but not the most important part of your life. At what point did you realize that you're not basketball? Basketball is not you. It's what you do.

But it's not all of you. What age did you finally realize that? And then what is important to you? Yeah, man. I think a couple years ago, maybe like my fourth or fifth year in the league. The biggest goal was to get to the NBA, so you can make a lot of money and be famous and this, this and that.

Like, that's how people view it and whatnot. The fame is not all it's cracked up to be. The money, I mean, it's, if anybody, you know, hears that and they say, oh, money isn't everything. It isn't. It helps a lot. It helps to travel. It helps, you know, you know, provide a lifestyle for you and your loved ones.

But it's not the only thing with this, bro. I've just really realized that, like, love is everything for me. Whether it's like the love I received from my family, the love that I give out back to my people's about community. Like, that's the only real thing I really believe in in this world. You know what I mean? Other than my faith, you know, the higher calling, but like, like, just truly just love, man. And

I don't want to get too, like, you know, touching on that, but like, it's just one of the things that... It's one of the things I've experienced over the past couple of years that I think is real. And the money and stuff, that's going to fade eventually. The fame, people are going to forget who you are eventually. Like, the next wave of Miles Turner's and basketball players

are coming in every single year. Like, all that stuff is cool, but it's very surface level. So, I mean, just my loved ones, my peoples, and just what I provide is both things are the most important for me. We appreciate the time he spent with us. It's like, you're known as like the dude that people love around here. We were walking, even walking through here, and it was like, Miles, wishes you a happy day. There's like a sign of you out there with like wishing you. And we appreciated that.

We appreciated that, too. There's the ice skating rink from Miles. I'm like, what guys should run for mayor of this town? But it's like, and this is the last, last, last question. But it's like, and being around you, you're so warm. welcoming, like as soon as we walked in, but on the core, I don't, it's a different, it looked like a different person. Is it a switch or is it a gradual? Like, how do you get there? It's kind of a trip persona, I guess. I feel like when you get in between the lines,

you're taught as a kid. Like, you'd be as friendly as you want, have all the friends of world, when you cross these lines, you've got to change your mindset, like completely. Like, you know, you're going to war, basically, you know, you don't want to be the friendly one going to or whatnot. You know, you'll get, you know, you get taken advantage of. But when I'm out there, I have to put on a different persona. I have to be the face and the guys from my team, you know, to be able to look on and they'd be able to embrace as well. But when I'm off the floor, I'm going to be me, bro. Like, I, this sex of this basketball is whatever.

It's my job. You know what I mean? Give them the ball. Mouse in the house. Give them the ball. I'm saying it right now. You heard of here first. That's what I kept yelling last night.

Mouse in the house. And they couldn't hear you, dude. They couldn't. No, it was frustrating. Hey, really appreciate your time. Absolutely. Thank you. Indeed, bro.

Thanks, Miles. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

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I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen? me. The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Miles is awesome. Also, Pacer's assistant coach, General Pargar ran us through some drills. We got to hang out with him for a little bit. For me, I didn't ask for this. I just got very fortunate because he's also an Arkansas legend.

as far as basketball. And I was proud of you for being cool about that. I wasn't that cool, but thank you. His third season with Pacers, as assistant coach, we did some drills with him. He's super cool. Coach, thanks for the time. I got to tell you.

Let's see this that dude right there. Will pig suey. He's trying to be cool right now, coach. You were like my dude. Like you, Brandon Dean. Like, when we got here last night. You said you were going to geek out. I know, I know.

But they were like, you're going to talk to Pargo. And I was like, for real? Like, do I got to be cool? And they were like, no, you don't have to be, but I was like, but I naturally am. But I was, come across half court, just drill it. Just drill it. Like, I'm not even asking him a question. All I'm doing is going to like, do you know how awesome you were and how awesome you were?

Like, so just first of all, I was a fan. Like, it's super cool for you to spend a few minutes. I appreciate that. Oh, man, thanks for having me. I'm glad you're saying this right now while Miles is here. So. I told him before. I told him before you came in.

I was like, man, I was a big fan. He would cross half court. He's lethal as soon as he crossed the line. Did you always have the green light? Even when I didn't have it, I had it. You know, I'm a shot taker. I'm a tough shot maker. So when I didn't have the green light, I just made sure I made shots

and then the coach was like, all right, well, I guess he could shoot it. Which coach was your shooting coach? Which coach do you credit with giving you either the confidence to take it to the next level or even maybe don't take as many bad shots? You know what? I think it's just myself. You know, just growing up playing a lot of basketball, you kind of figure out who you are as a player. And I figured out maybe in high school that I was a pretty good shooter.

And, you know, I'm an aggressive basketball player, and I take chances. And like I said, at Arkansas, I was able to make a lot of shots just across half-course. In transition, too. In transition. Yeah. But he remembered. I can walk you do every, most of them. So you play a bunch of years in the league.

At what point do you realize you think you want to stay in the league to coach? Like when did that hit you from a player when you're like, I want to continue my career in basketball, but as a coach? You know, it happened, I would probably say 2014. I was with the Charlotte Bobcats. And we were playing the Boston Celtics. And Kimber Walker, we were getting killed with just a pistol action. And you guys may not understand what that is.

Don't insult us, but we don't understand. No clue coach. It's a simple action that every team runs. and we were getting killed with it. And Kimba came to me like, yeah, JP, like, what do we do? And I was like, hey, do this, do that and do this. And it kind of worked. And maybe I can do this.

So you coached right there. I coached right there as a player. So tree-r-riles and then me, player coach. Did you know what you were telling him, coach? Or were you just kind of, yeah, try this? No, no, I knew what I was telling him. I had been in that situation before. Like I said, every team runs the same action.

We run it now. So it was something that I seen before. What is pistol action? Because we don't know. just a simple pass ahead from the one to the two and then the one flies off simple action yeah it's a different language right now then when you make it you do too too too that's when you run backwards that's not it all right all right yeah yeah we don't want to do that yeah not in today's NBA okay good point good point last night the game was pretty intense the whole game we were at the

game was a great win last night by you guys how competitive are those games for real mid-season in, you know, we're getting close to the All-Star break. Like, how much are guys still in it then? Our team is very much into it. Boston Self is a really good team, really good team. And it's a team that we beat once before, and they beat us as well. So we wanted to come out and make a statement. They're in the Eastern Conference with us.

So huge game, great win for our team. Tyrese is going down. We just came together as a group, and we got to win. All right, final three questions for you. When you're coaching internationally, because I mean, I might have followed you, you know, where you went out. I might have. Settle down, man. I know.

I've been a huge fan and still am. What is that culture change like for you? Because we were talking to Miles about going from, you know, Texas to Indiana, but you're going to another country in, you know, South America, Europe. Like, do you just get to live basketball? Or where's your favorite place to live and what was it like to live there? I lived in Russia for about six months. That's crazy. You thought this was cold.

That's crazy. You went cold? I'm going like... Oh, communist? Yeah. Like, yeah. Wow. Well, in the basketball world is very small, right?

So I'm in Russia. I went out to a club and I saw maybe 10, 15 guys that I know. Russia's like being in New York. Except. They will throw you in prison if they feel like it. Yeah. If they get an itch. Follow the law.

Yeah, I hear you. He's like one of those guys, Ivan Drago. Vladimir Putin. Coach, when you're on the bench, like sometimes you got a fan right behind you or like the fans are right there on you in the NBA. Yeah. Do you hear crap when you're on the road all the time or do you like to turn around and be like shut up or do you talk to them at all? Yeah, that's the, look at these guys. Oh, they're looking at him.

He's getting the eyes right now. So you have myself, I'm born and raised on the south side of Chicago. And we have another coach, Mo Baker, who's from St. Louis. And so we hear everything. right and we kind of let these guys the fans, they're fanatics, right? We let them talk but when they start getting on our players, Mo and I

we get defensive and so we stand up, we turn around and we say, hey, listen, chill out. If you want to cheer for your team, cheer for a block shot and made back, that's fine. But when you say, hey, Miles, you suck. We're not having that. So we kind of set them straight

after. That would scare me. Because they are so close that they think they can say whatever they want. to someone that's five feet away from. Yeah, it's not fair because when players say stuff back to them, now it's an issue.

Middle finger, all that kind of stuff, it's not fair, so Moe and I kind of take on the challenge of shutting those guys up. Final question for you, just basketball in general. What has basketball provided you? A great life. Basketball in life is synonymous, right? It teaches you how to sacrifice, how to work hard.

And it just provided me a great life to take care of my family, my friends, to travel. It's the game that I love. I still love it to this day. Just being part of something that's bigger than just yourself. So for me, being able to coach and being able to help guys, miles and really the younger guys coming into this league is everything for me. We really appreciate the time. I don't know if I mentioned this, but I'm a huge fan.

All right, there he is. Coach, Genero Pargo, Coach, appreciate it. Thank you, thank you. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions,

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. One other thing we got to do was work with the sports performance coach, Andy Martin. And so we did talk about a lot of things these athletes do. So here he is talking about recovery, hydration, and then he put us through a grueling workout, which sucked. But here he is, Andy Martin of the Indiana Pacers. I was talking to Miles in the last couple years. I've really embraced stretching. No, a couple months.

He's talking about years. Mine's a couple months. And I was a decent athlete, but like a high school athlete, right? But I could never get to my shins even stretching. But I spent like the last two or three months, 15 minutes a day, three times a day stretching. It's good. It's never too late to start.

It's going to save you a lot of aggravation down the road. For an older guy like, yeah, he's like, for you senior citizens, but I hear you. Now I'm a little, I'm hurt right now. That's okay. That's all right. No, you said it's good for you, man. Yeah, no, I hear. And I was talking to Miles and he was like, hey, it's, you know, awesome,

injury prevention. I would think with a lot of guys who are naturally athletic that their whole life, they have been the best athlete and probably haven't had to go next level with the stretching or even the nutrition. Like how much work do you have to do with young athletes to teach them? Well, if you're not doing it now, you're eventually going to do it and this is what we should do. Yeah, that's a big part of it. And that first point you made, like these guys have always been the best player on the court, every court they've been on until they get to this level. Then the issue with that is, once they get to this level, everybody's really good. So you have to have a certain requisite level of talent to be able to make it to the league,

but then what separates guys from, okay, I was in the league for a year or two, or I had a really productive career or, you know, guys like Pargo who had a really long career, we're in a lot of different places, the dedication and the work ethic and just the layering different levels of professionalism into it in terms of how you take care of your body, how you manage your sleep, what are your nutrition habits, are you stretching, are you doing all? all the sport performance stuff that, you know, we try to help guys with. And using all of those resources is what really separates guys from being, okay, I was in the league versus I was really successful in the league.

I'll hop in a hyperbaric chamber sometimes, but I don't even know what that does. What does that do? So hyperbaric chamber basically just puts more oxygen into your blood, which then helps your body do the normal processes that it would do from a healing regeneration standpoint. It just sort of speeds up the process a little bit. So it's for real? Like that thing works? Oh, yeah.

I mean, I get in, I paid the money for it, like $108 for the hour. It is expensive, but it's money well spent, especially if you're really trying to, you know, dial in. You know, like you said, the stretching. No more dialed in. No more dialed in the meme. Yeah, that's the same type of stuff that we try and convince our guys to do. As far as diet goes for some of these players, do you have to kind of just trust that they follow it and they do that when they're not around you? There is a certain level of trust that we try to give to these guys.

at the same time there's a certain level of education that we try and give to them because we aren't going to follow them around 24 hours a day and knock stuff out of their hand. But what we try and emphasize is viewing, you know, the nutrition and your nutrition habits as fueling. Like your job is a professional athlete. So the nutrition really is an important part of that. And then kind of taking the guesswork out of it for them. We try and provide as much, you know, high quality food as we can. We try and set them up with chefs.

when they're here or to take stuff with them on the road. So we try and make it as easy and as not labor intensive for them as we can. But like you said, at the same time, at the end of the day, we're not going to be around the hours they're not in the building. So we do have to give them an education in terms of what they need and then trust that they're going to follow those steps. All right, final three questions. We've been to a few places in our journeys where they have little pea containers in the toilets

and they always want to check and see the pea color. That's awesome. the hydration things. Yeah, but we don't turn them in. No, no, no, we don't. We just pee in it and look, of course. And then go, wonder what that means. What does that mean?

So those measure your urine-specific gravity, which is basically just a way to see how well hydrated you are. So the old adage used to be, you know, if it was, the darker yellow it was, the less hydrated you are. Or mine's bloody a lot. Is that good? That's not great. Okay, never mind.

That's a complete. The hyperbaric's not going to help you with that one. That's a different. Back to the normal. What'd you say? That's a different problem. Go ahead. But no, so in general, that meter that goes in the urinals, it'll either give you that blinking red light, which is bad.

You need to go hydrate immediately. Flashing yellow, which is where a lot of people stay, especially early in the morning. Okay, you need to do a little bit of hydration. Green, you're fine. Keep doing what you're doing. So if you're green or yellow, that's where you're going to be most of the day. Red is like, oh, okay, I need to go do something about this now. So it lets us know if there's a situation that needs to be addressed immediately.

So if our P is completely clear, though, that's hydrated. That's great. Really? But my P's red, so it's not good. That's less great. How do you keep them off video games all night? Well, that's a good one. Because my wife has trouble with me doing that.

I got to get up at 3.30 in the morning to do my radio show. Great question. I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea. You can get enough sleep if you're playing video games all night. If we can figure out how to do that, we'll win more games. But that's one of the harder things to do with NBA athletes. Like secretly set up an account as not yourself and know their accounts and be like,

hey, it's me, Jimmy. Is your name Miles and watch how long he's playing? They figure that out immediately. All right, all right. I was going to ask about soreness. Soreness, does it ever go away for these guys or are they constantly sore? There's constantly a level of soreness. Inherently because these guys are playing a sport that's kind of difficult on their body,

it takes it. I mean, you guys know just how much a toll traveling takes on your body. So then adding in trying to play 20, 30, 35 minutes a game, there's always going to be a level of soreness that accompanies that. Where we come in on the performance staff and the athletic training staff is trying to manage that soreness down to a level that they can still be productive on the court. Very seldomly is a guy ever not sore at all. But if we can get them, okay, you went one step down the road of making yourself sore,

can we bring you one step back and just keep you in some sort of equilibrium, or at least just so they're not functionally limited when they go to play because this is their job and they're trying to go out and produce and help our team win they're trying to feed their families there's all the stuff that goes into it that soreness and managing that is really the main part of our job we appreciate the time i need to drink water back after this let's wrap with this super bowling VP odds obviously the two quarterbacks are up first which is mahomes and purdy because the quarterback kind of wins that more than anything Yeah. Remember when James White had 12 catches and Brady still won it?

That's Joe Beaz, baby. I know. Christian McCaffrey 3, Travis Kelsey, 4. And then they do what odd, what position, and the quarterback is like minus 265. All that from draft king. So, you know, we'll talk a bunch about Super Bowl next week. Wanted to breaking news. Eddie lost his defensive coordinator.

Yeah. He'll now be taking over. He's going to be running a 9-1-1. And then one guy back there just having patience. Just be patient back there. What do I do, coach? Just be patient. Be patient.

Be patient. You guys, thank you very much. Go follow us on social media at 25 whistles. Hope you guys have a good weekend. And Eddie blow us out. Yeah, here we go. All right, bye, buddy. The quickest whistles that never been part of, man.

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