The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Rich Eisen's Musical Power Rankings, The Legend of Deion Sanders, Who He Wants to F*ck Off & More

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Sports broadcasting legend, Rich Eisen, sits down with Bobby at his house for an hour to talk about his musical power rankings, the legendary social status of Deion Sanders, who he wants to f*ck off, and much more!     Follow the Show: @25Whistles Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestroSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife-Live 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Everybody, welcome to the show. We're going to do an hour with Rich Eisen, Rich, a legend, if you watch SportsCenter back when SportsCenter was actually watched. I don't watch SportsCenter anymore, do you?

No, but his days, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, that's the only way you could even get scores. Yeah. And it would come on all the time. I guess now I watch TikTok or Instagram. Yeah. Or I just search for it. Yeah, I don't know.

Are there any famous anchors even now? No. Obviously, the medium has changed, right? We're not saying they're worse today they were than they were then. But I don't know any of the sports guys. No, I feel like every time I do watch it, it's somebody different. so I can't like relate or know anybody. Rich wildly famous for SportsCenter back in the day, NFL Network.

He has his own The Rich Eisen Show now, which is on the Roku channel from 12 to 3 Eastern every weekday. And I've spoken to Rich on the phone. He called before I filled in for him the last time. And he was like, hey, I always want you to know. And I was like, it's crazy. I'm talking to Rich Eisen. We interviewed him on this show, but on Zoom from his studio. And I was like, that's crazy.

That's Rich Eisen. But I'd never met him in person. And I think I mentioned this. My wife was like, oh, you're going to see Rich Eisen again? I was like, I've never met him. She was like, didn't you go? I was like, yeah, but I went because he wasn't there, you filled in. But I loved him.

Rich is a legend in the sports broadcasting world. ESPN from back in SportsCenter days, NFL Network since 2003, multiple movies, has done it all. You can follow him on Twitter and Instagram at Rich Eisen and Rich Eisen's show. And I think we just get to it. Anything I'm missing here? No, this is awesome. Was it cool for you? Yeah, I mean, yeah.

I mean, yeah, he's a pinnacle for me personally of like a sports broadcasting guy that I grew up watching. He talks about a little bit going to bed and waking up and seeing him every day. That was me on the West Coast, falling asleep every day. Then waking up with Rich. Then waking up with the rich. Both at the same time. All right, here he is. This is Rich, thanks for coming over.

You got it, Bobby. I was watching on, I guess, Instagram, all the things. You were doing the Hall of Fame the last couple nights? Yes, sir. You got to be exhausted. No, I'm, I'm invigorated, brother. Like, this is... Do you go to work tomorrow? Will you do the show tomorrow?

I'm going to do the show tomorrow. Yeah, flying back to L.A. tonight as soon as I'm done with you. Got a flight. Did you at least fly private from Canton to hear? No. No. Well, yes, private is known as business select. Yeah. You know?

So, but that was Cleveland to hear. And so... But, you know, I do love going to... Hall of Fame is something I've done almost as much as anything else that I've done with NFL Network. And it's the only Hall of Fame where it kicks off a season. Everybody else's Hall of Fame is usually midseason or total off season. Like this is the signal that it's back. So it's always neat to celebrate the past as you're about to kick off the present.

It's a really neat affair. Do you spend any time with Devin Hester? I did, yeah. I think I would like him. You would. I think you sure would and I think at this point now I can kind of tell somebody's personality yeah social media kind of allows that now I think I was like devon hester what's that guy like i mean you know uh i've i've known of him for quite some time working with dion Sanders who took him

in because devon didn't have a dad i believe his dad died when he was 11 so dion was kind of his father figure so to see dion there for the jacket presentation to be the one to put it on him was a pretty neat moment for both guys. He's considered a Devin a son for a long time. I was there on the Thursday night football game in Atlanta when he broke Dion's record for returns with Dionne there underneath Deon's banner in Deon's house that he built, the Georgia Dome. And it's pretty amazing. I think the thing that makes him particularly special

is, listen, the thing you love in sports the most is when the expectation level is not just met but surpassed. And anytime he touched the ball, you expected something special to happen with him. And the number of times that he did it when it was expected of him on the biggest stages like the Super Bowl or a Thursday night game with Dion in the house, the fact that he got an opportunity to return one, and then he did it. is what makes him a Hall of Famer. And those are the most special moments in sports where you're like, boy, I hope this guy hits a home run, boy, I hope he returns one boy, I'd love to see, you know,

him win a game with a three-point shot. And the sports gods bestow them with the opportunity, and then they cash it in. It really is something else to see. And he's really special in that regard. How did you and Dion become close? Well, I mean, we work together. So, and that was about it.

it. We started working together at NFL network in the mid-aughts. And, you know, when Dion joins, obviously there's a buzz and there's an excitement level because of what he brings to the table. But there's also, and he'll tell you this, an expectation that he makes it about him.

Because he's prime time and he is somebody that invites the spotlight. He doesn't just bask in it. He invites. it. So anybody who's worked with him or was a teammate of his will let you know he's the most collaborative best teammate that you can have. And that begun when the highlight show that we were doing together from Jump when he joined NFL Network NFL Game Day Highlights,

which was the highlight show after the late afternoon games were over in advance of Sunday night football. And then after Sunday night football, it was me. Dion and Steve Mariucci. And Steve was kind of new to television. And so they put Dion in the middle and Steve at the end of the set. And Dion said, first thing, he goes, let's not have Steve on the outside. Let's have him in the middle. Because, you know, if I'm in the middle and I'm talking to Rich,

it's, you know, Steve will be forgotten. He's going to be out there on his own. And I was totally blown away by that. He was awesome. He was always thinking about other people. I had a 40th birthday party. He surprised me by flying in from Texas just for it. He's the best, man.

And I've just, him, and he was given out the first Thursday night season. He was always telling Mooch that his shoes stunk. So he was going to get Gucci's for his moochie, and he got him Gucci shoes. And then he asked everybody for their sizes, didn't want to leave anybody out. So we all got Gucci slip, you know, we all got these awesome Gucci slip-on shoes. I could tell Dion's stories for days. I think it was about 2017 ABC called,

and I done a little work with them. This is pre-Idle before I was on Idol for a bunch of years and Dancing with the Stars. And they kind of just flirted with putting me on because it wasn't like coastal guy. You know, I didn't live in L.A., didn't live in New York. And they were like, hey, come out and test for this daytime talk show. And I was like, oh, cool.

That's great. I've done a lot of tests, and I get there, and you've actually been famous for a long time. I've only ever flirted with, like, the crust of the water, right? You know, so I'm up, and it's like me, and I'm doing all these panels with, like, Rudy Huxable and Julianina Ransick and, like, the eighth housewife of these shows. And so I make it through that day.

And so I really didn't know what I was doing, even going out there, meaning I didn't know it was going to be like, can you survive day one to get to day two? So then I'm in like day two with like slightly more famous people. So now it's like Theo Huxable. And then it's like this. You upgraded to the fifth housewife? So I continue to move through and there are actually like famous people that are testing for the show on the very last day.

And it's a little intimidating for me. And everybody's in their clicks in the very Hollywood way. And so I'm just sitting at this cafeteria at this cafeteria by myself. And somebody goes, hey, you can come sit over here. and I looked up and it was freaking Dionne Sanders, who I'd never met. He didn't know me, but he just saw me sitting by myself. Now, I'm an adult man at this point too.

It's not like I'm a 12-year-old kid. Yeah. But it was that Forrest Gump moment where, you know, can't see here, seats taken where it really felt like that. And so he invited me over, and I talked with him for a while. And then we worked together because him and I, it was him and I, that ABC picked to do the show. We worked together every day for four months.

And I tell people, like, he was like the greatest, I'll look out for you, dude, that I've ever worked with. Yeah, right. When he was coaching his kids in high school at the time, he was the high school coach down in Texas, and he'd fly back and forth, and Tracy would come. Raise truth, yeah, uh-huh.

And so we did the show for ABC. They changed their kind of executive hierarchy, and the show went to pilot, and then it did not get picked up. And so we went from working together every day for four months to not at all. But I kid you not. He would just reach out random.

And I would be amazed that somebody's so world-renowned, excellent at what he does, regardless of what area he was in, would actually think to remember in care. Yeah. And so then when he got the job at Jackson State, I reached out with super cool, Colorado. And the perception, I think, that people have of him,

and I don't think it's unfair because I think he does it. He knows what he's great at. He invited. Yes. He invited. But I would be like his biggest, and he didn't need an advocate of like, he's the greatest dude ever.

Right. And one of my books come out. He took a picture and posted on social media from reading the book. With the cover out, didn't ask him. And I just remember Dion being so cool. So when he comes on your show, I'm always like, man, that is, you know, it's so cool to see somebody else. Yes. Like yourself, who loves Dion.

I do. Who had that relationship on a personal basis because he was so cool to me when he didn't have to be. It's just, he is, he's just truly one of the coolest guys you can ever meet. And I'll just, I'll never forget. we were going to the Pro Bowl practice one year. The first year it was taken out of Hawaii and it was put in South Florida. And so we're driving by a baseball facility

in Fort Lauderdale and on the way to the practice. And he goes, I think I've been here before. I got this feeling I've been here before. I'm like, yeah, Dion, that's where you were in spring training with the Yankees. and you forget, okay, you just forget sometimes how much he's lived and how great he's been at living. Right.

Right. And where he is a guy who also hosted Saturday Night Live and had a song Must Be the Money and could have been the MVP of a World Series. And so on and so on and so on. easily the most famous guy I've ever walked through an airport with. Hands down, anybody, regardless of race, color, creed, socioeconomic status, they all want a piece of him. And I'm, you know, I will always sing Dion's praises, always. About five years ago, I redesigned the radio studio to be more visual.

You know, we have cameras in the walls. I mean, I stole the set completely from yours. before I'd even ever said in yours. My dream was to always be, and it shifted a bit with how technology has been, but I always wanted to do a late-night talk show because Letterman was my hero. Me too.

Yeah, he was like, he looked, he was irrever and he was goofy. I felt like, if that guy can do it, I have a chance. Sure. And so when I flip the radio show into a multimedia show for all intents of purposes, I would watch you on social media, and I was just like, I mean, that's the set that I'd like to have.

so I'd like to say that publicly. I stole that from me. I'm honored that you would say that or think it. I'm the same way, Letterman was, is my guy. I mean, like the,

the comedic axiom of make a joke, repeat it, then beat it to death. That's David Letterman. And I love that. Do you ever meet him? I was on his show once.

That's the only time I've met him. And trust me, I really wanted to get on his show. I mean, of all shows, that's the one. And the number of times that I, you know, attempted and had people, you know, reach out was voluminous. And the one year he accepted was 2011 because he was curious as to, because it was during the lockout of the NFL season of 2011. he was curious how I would host a draft during a lockout. He was fascinated by that.

And so that's how I got on. And in my green room, there is the, there's the cue cards from it. I got the cue cards from his introduction of me. So that's truly one of my favorite pop culture items that's hung in the green room of my shop. And he's, he's the best. He's the absolute best at it. And so I always wanted to be, you know, either a stand-up comic or a late-night talk show host. Did you ever try comedy?

And I did try comedy. I tried comedy in stand-up. I did stand-up in college. And so, yeah, I did stand-up in college, and that was the toughest thing I've ever had to do, ever had to do is stand-up in college. And I loved it to this point where if I don't get an immediate feedback from those on the set, I think a joke is flopped. And I'm, you know, like even that moment, I'm looking around to see who's laughing. I'm trained for that.

And I always will tell anybody on a set that I'm on, go ahead and laugh. I don't care if I hear it. You're not ruining anything. You don't have to, like, it's not a library. There should be some energy. Toughest thing I've ever had to do, loved it. just didn't think I would be cut out for that life. So getting an opportunity to be a sportscaster on sports center,

I kind of had that stand-up mentality. And then being able to do the show that I'm doing right now, turning 10 years old in October, it's a blessing that I get to bring sort of a talk show feel to sports talk, you know, hybrid it up with a wrap-it-round pop culture. Every single day, three hours is a long. long time, but that just means I have an opportunity to have more guests. I feel like there's a slightly different version of you in a timeline that's 25 years into a talk

show because you have all the sensibilities of any of the greats that have done it, meaning you're quick, you're funny, and I say this in the way because I would get research back from these networks and they would go, this is on me. So they would go, you know, you've tested the women like you're just good looking enough to where they like you. and you're not so good looking that the guys don't like you. I'd be right in that space where I didn't feel good when they would say it, but they would hire me for these shows because I was like...

You're not threatening. To anybody. You're just threatening enough but not threatening. I don't know how I would test. You know, my testing on that front, certainly when I was mostly single when I was on my sports center days and I'd go to a bar. And suddenly a drink would be placed in front of me that I didn't order. And the bartender would say, this has been, you know, is a drink been bought for you?

And I would look up and there would be like three hot chicks and just the one fat guy in between him just raising his glass at me. Like, you're the man. But see, that was my life, Bobby. That is my point. That is my point. That anecdote right there's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. Meaning you're super funny.

think some of your funny can be lost because you have to talk for so long. I feel the same way about myself. I've got to do four or five hours. And when you have to talk that long about things, the really funny things can get lost because you're having to paint broad strokes. Dude, you are not wrong, Bobby. And that's why the advent of and the currency that figuratively, not literally, because these don't really make a lot of money actually revenue-wise to go deep in the business of it, but the reels on Instagram, the TikTok world,

the shorts on YouTube, that you can now pull those moments out of a four-hour conversation and spotlight it in 90 seconds, and that is the way people consume your world as a mainstream way of consuming. Back when, you know, we were kids, it'd be just like,

what do you mean? You can just boil down a, a three hour show and to 90 fun seconds and people will watch that and how will they watch it and how is that even remotely showing off the breadth of your work. Now that's the way it works. The reels, Instagram, TikTok,

YouTube shorts, Facebook shorts. That's the way a lot of people consume things. And in the past, they'd be like, yeah, but I have so much to say in the other, you know,

two hours, 15, eight minutes and I'm bad at math, you know, in 30 seconds. Like, well, What about the other ones?

But that's, now you can pull those moments out and say, hey, if you want to consume all three hours live, you can do that. If you want to consume all three hours on demand, watching it and also listening to it, you've got that. But now there's a way to take the best 90 seconds to, you know, 120 seconds and serve it up to you. And I get so many people saying, man, love your show on TikTok. And I don't, I don't distribute it live on TikTok, you know. But I'll take it. You know, certainly is as somebody who wouldn't be associated with being viewable on TikTok. But that's the way it is now.

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you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. It does feel weird, but then there are shows

that I only consume through TikTok. Like there are podcasts. that I really only watch on TikTok, and I don't even follow them, but my algorithm feeds them to me, but now I expect my algorithm to feed them to me. And if you ask me, do you listen, Theo Vaughn is an example. Do you listen to Theo Vaughn?

I know a lot about what he's doing because I see all his clips on TikTok. Right. And so it is a different world where I think, back to my point of, I think you're at times wildly funny, but it's hard to find those nuggets if you're listening to a large sample

because you've got to land all the planes. You've got guests, you've got to interview, but these smaller clip versions allow a different part that we want to be highlighted, to actually be highlighted. Yeah, and I have no problem with it. It's really, it's a game changer, where as there would be a funny moment in a five-minute, you know, clip that we put out there, you know, it's just not consumable for a lot of demographics, a lot of age groups. and now you just boil it down to 90 seconds, two minutes. It's a difference maker. Certainly when you got a talk show, you know, because there are great moments.

And then there's also, boy, that was great how you can get in depth. You got this answer. You got that answer. Well, there's a podcast for that. There's a 20-minute version of that. And there's a YouTube version of that. That's the 21st century we're in. And I'm, you know, trying to figure it out while exploiting it at the same time.

Can you go out and not be recognized now in L.A.? Oh, yeah. You've been famous for so long. I have been, but I'm still an acquired taste, Bobby. You know, I'm about it's fine. I'm not complaining about anything. They're, you know, the perfect example. It was just yesterday at the Hall of Fame.

Some dude stops me and says, Rich Eisen, can we take a picture? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, love you, man, this, that, the other thing. And he turns around as I'm, leaving and his wife says, who's that? Does it ever happen? Who's that? Like out loud.

Yeah. And I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I, I laughed. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just going to laugh and not turn around and say, what do you, like, it's just, there's different, you know, walks of life and just trying to cross over as much as I possibly can and get my material out there. But it kind of just was funny because she knew when she said that, that I could hear that. And I almost turned around and told him, like, you know, I can, I can hear you ask who I am, you know, clearly enough for your husband to stop the conversation with you on the spot to stop me, take a photograph, fanboy, and have me walk away, but not out of, like, or next time you don't know who your husband's stopping and take a selfie with,

can you wait until you're out of ear shot? Yeah. So that person's out of earshot before asking who that person is, you know? but hey, it's all good. It's kind of you to, you know, ask that question, and it's all good, man. And I don't mind stopping, talking to people, you know, it doesn't phase me at all.

So the weird one for me is if someone comes up and they say, hey, and I feel like people at times aren't knowing what they're saying. They're just trying to feel silence. Can I guess what it is? I'm sure you can, yeah. Where are you from? Where do I know you? That happens a lot.

to like like it's now my eye like what am i google? Am I your personal Google? Am I like your your AI assistant here? That's not even the most cutting though. If that happens, that's a nice one. Okay. The one that cuts me the most, they'll come up and go, Hey, do you mind if I get a picture?

And I'm like, no, not at all. They go, I don't even know who you are, my uncle's a huge fan or my aunts. And I think to myself, you don't have to say, you don't know who I am. You can just say, can I take a picture? And then do, then disperse with a picture however you'd like. But they'll come up and go, hey, do you mind if I get a picture?

I'm like, course not. Why would I care? And to be honest, I don't know who you are, but my aunt will love this. Yeah. And I'm like, there's no, I didn't feel like there was a need to say you didn't know who I was.

I have no idea who you are. Yeah. Right. My favorite moment was, this happened with Stewart once, Stuart Scott, where somebody came up, and these were the old days

where there were no camera phones. Okay, like the actual phone, an actual real camera. I'm standing here with him. He says, would you, somebody went up to Stewart and said, would you mind taking a picture? He goes,

Absolutely not. Oh, yeah. And they handed him the camera to take a picture of me with that person. And it was, like, Stuart thought I had put this person up to that. But it was not at all. And it was awesome to the point where I would then in future times ask people to do that to Stuart. And then he would ask people to do that to me. Like so anytime, which is a problem because now we're being skeptical of people asking,

would you mind if you took a picture? You've planted the seed of doubt at all times. Oh, but it was great. It handed the camera to Stewart. And Stewart's like, oh, okay, took the picture. Oh, my God. That was awesome. Was that the All-Star game this year?

Another one, what is someone had recognized me from something. And I was like, take a picture. Sure, love, let's take the picture. Someone else came up and goes, hey, can I get one? Yeah, sure, take one. Who are you again? I just saw them taking a picture with you. I'll get that.

And again. Yeah. I'm like, here, I should have, you know what, you and I should have folded up in our wallets if you still have one. You're way more famous than I am. It's just not the same. We should have like our resumes folded up. Like, here you go. I just put a code.

Unfold it and say, this is my resume. This is who I am. One of those menus. My headshot. COVID, you put, you know, you do the menu on your phone. I just keep that on my pants, my back pocket. We should have a QR code. Have them shoot the QR code to find out who we are.

Here it is. I got a blue check mark and everything. I like it. Here's my QR code. code, you know, use my code name of rich, you'll get $20 off your first purchase, whatever it is. When you're famous and living in Connecticut, because I mean, that era for me was just in music and sports in general, that era for me was when I probably grew the most as a human being. So all of you guys were wildly famous to me because I watched every day, every night,

Sports Center ESPN. But I have friends now that were super. famous in the 90s and early 2000s in music and they would be touring all the time and they would not know how famous they were because there wasn't social media and so they would just be traveling until it was over or they could settle or they would be in LA or New York they really wouldn't know was it like that? Hell yeah let me tell you something Bobby so um I I did the uh mostly for my seven year sports center career I did mostly the um 2 a.m. Eastern time sports. Center that would be 11 o'clock Pacific and would be re-aired for hours the next morning

throughout the next morning. Like that would never happen now, right? Like they would never air a show that's dated by hours. Like they'll be live. That's the way it works now. But back in that day, and then they moved up the time slot from 2 a.m., the 1 a.m., but the problem with that was is that the number of West Coast events that weren't over by

that time, had to basically redo the show a second time at 2 a.m. Eastern to update. And if they weren't somehow over by the end of that show, we'd have to stay later until the show, until the game ended to put it into the show of record that would get re-aired throughout the next day. So I'm living in Central Connecticut and coming to work at like 5 o'clock at night, doing a show that aired at 1 a.m. and then 2 a.m. and then getting home at 4 a.m. and then trying to get off the high of being on live TV in time to go to sleep. Then I would sleep throughout the most exposure I've had on cable television in my entire career.

From 5 a.m. it would start Eastern Time all the way to one in the afternoon. I still get people today, and obviously it blows me away when people come up to me with, you know, with their kids next to them saying that I used to, they used to watch me and Stuart Scott mostly before they got on the school bus in the morning because I was on at 7 a.m., 8 a.m. or 6 a.m. nonstop. So I would be sleeping when I got the most exposure of my career. And then I would wake up.

I'd have lunch. I don't know what the hell I was doing with my life then. And then going to work and doing it again. And I have no idea who's watching it. Zero. It was as if I was living on another, I was living on planet Bristol, no clue.

And then I would go to New York City and try and have a social life, you know, whenever I had a day off. It was also tough in that regard too. I'd meet, you know, somebody and immediately say to them, you know, hey, you want to have dinner sometime in like two Tuesdays?

You know, try that, you know, come online for size. Like, hey, what are you doing two Tuesdays from now? what a weirdo, right? But that's, you know, that's when my next day off was. That for me. And so, like, that's, that was my life in terms of not knowing who's listening,

not knowing who's out there, unable to get myself in some sort of social mix, get some sort of thing going that I could have a social life outside of work. I'm not complaining, you know, but that was, you know, but that was my, you tell, though, for the first time, that it had kind of blown up.

I don't know. It really wasn't a moment. It wasn't like TRL. It might have been like it in Espies. You know, ESP awards when they finally, they put Stuart and I up. You know,

we replaced Dan Patrick and Keith Olderman as the guys who did the pre-award, pre-Spy award show from the balcony of Radio City Music Hall. Dan and Keith always said that they, they were like the old man Muppets, Stadler and Waldorf sitting up there in the balcony. And then Stuart and I did it for a couple years

and getting out and about. And then, you know, meeting some celebrities who knew who we were. Like that, that was kind of blowing me away. I just assumed I had no idea who was watching at all. And now here I am, you know, in 2024, running into people who now have children saying that when they were kids, I would be the ones to either put them to sleep if they were, you know, in teenage years on the West Coast or kids going to school, waking them up.

Like, that's, that was my life. In sports, what became more romantic to you, as you guys, got more involved in what became less, meaning I still love the Cubs, but I went, we worked up with the Cardinals, and I didn't hate the Cardinals where me before I got, or music, right? Like I can also see kind of the gross things about music,

but I can also see now when somebody's really good, like it's even that much cooler to me. Like what wasn't as cool about sports and what became even cooler? I'll be honest with you Bobby, I'm just not jaded. The fact that, you know, again, you were there working with my guys,

at the show, right? You worked with the team there. Sometimes we're sitting there, hour before a show, just talking about any old stupid shit, you know, and like talking about this movie, that thing, this thing. And then we're like, you know what, let's do a segment about that movie or this thing or in relation to whatever. And then, you know, a couple times I'll just sit around and I'll say to everybody, like, can you believe this is what we do? Honestly, like, I'm not jaded about it. You know, there's things about the sports business that, you know, will make you sick or to your stomach. or you know this about somebody or know that about somebody.

But that's just anything with any business. But truly, it's the toy department of life being able to talk sports. And I just, you know, I hope that's the way it will always be. Do you ever want to not fly too close to the sun with your favorite teams? Meaning what? What do you mean? My example now is I have purposefully not pursued a relationship with John Caliper at Arkansas. I am diehard, razor bag fan in every way.

I'm afraid if I don't like somebody, it's going to affect how hard I root for that team. So everyone says by all accounts, he's awesome. I don't want to not like any a part of that because it takes away like what I love to do most, which is root for Arkansas sports. Well, let's put it this way, Bobby. You should reach out. You'll be good. He'll be good.

He's going to be fine with you. But with like the Jets and like Rex Ryan, like any of them. Listen, you know, in terms of flying too close, like this, this, this, this, this, this, particular year with the Jets is I'm backing off for sure, because at this point in time, I'm, I'm slated to call a week five game with them in London. And I, that's the last thing I want to do is that anybody think that I'm being biased against the Vikings who they're playing against at all.

And, but if anybody who knows me for real, and I'm not shitting you here at all, if they know me for real, that I, if I'm calling a game, I would not care who wins at all. I just want it to be a close game. But if you don't like a coach, and I'm not saying any of the coach it, but over your history of being a Jets fan, if you don't like a coach.

Of course it'll ruin the rooting interest. So yeah, I guess if you keep your distance, it makes complete sense that you don't want it ruined, you know, in that regard. But after a while also, you know, listen, the only teams, truly the only teams that affect my emotional output. And this is for real,

where I will just say, why am I happier today? Oh, that's right, they won. Or why am I less happy today? Oh, they lost and I should be a better human being, you know, to myself and everyone around me are the Michigan Wolverine football team and the New York Yankees. That's it. That's the list. If the jets lose, you know, it'll be like, well, that's a bummer. But, you know, okay.

But those are truly the only two teams that affect my emotions. Did you ever meet Conor Stallions? I did not. I did not. Would you like to? No, I just. But, man, he gave me some great seats once. Have you?

I don't want to meet him. Why would I want to meet him? Why? If he was doing, he had a manifesto where nobody got hurt or died or anything. I understand that. He rooted for who you're rooted for. But he was so. He'd be my hero.

He was so piss poor at it that, you know, they've. That's true. You know, if I met him, I'd say, why were you that sloppy, man? I don't know. And just let me just say this to you. Okay, you're referring to the guy who gave out tickets to people so they could sit in, in geographically advantageous spots to record the opposition sidelines

of teams that Michigan was going to play. That is correct. Against the rules of the NCAA scouting. So I'll just repeat. Again, I'm sorry if any of your audience is heard of this. If I were you, I would love the guy. No. I'm sure he did it right for a long time.

No, but no, no, no, no. Because I don't think he did it right. You know what I mean? Let me ask you this question. How many times have you been on vacation with your lovely wife or anybody else, and you hand them somebody a phone saying, would you mind taking a picture?

Have you done that before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, how many times do you get the phone back and the photograph is more of the sky than of you? Yeah, it's terrible. Okay, 95% of them. So Connor Stallions is giving tickets to a bunch of people to say, shoot video for me.

How often do you think the video came back flat on unusable? Most the time. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. It's like everybody thinks that this thing was run, to perfection. Okay, the seats were perfect. I don't think that. And the videos, the videos were perfect. I'm not even talking about the allegations.

I'm talking about he loved him like you did. Oh, I see. He gave his whole, he wrote it. But I would never cheat on behalf of my team. I'm not even talking about the, you're awfully sensitive. I'm just talking about generally. Like, this guy was awesome. If there was anybody that was put his heart and soul into Arkansas, like that,

I low key would be like, keep your head up, buddy. No, man. Let's go. I would choose a different adjective for him than awesome. I would say, I would say. Maybe publicly. Privately. But you never met up.

See, I would love him. That would be my dude. Absolutely not. I won't know piece of him. I would do that. I would like him to leave the scene and never to return. What about the documentary coming out? I don't want to see it.

Man. I think I like him more than you do. Yeah, I know. Go tell him I said to fuck off. Is that wrong to say? No, not at all, no at all. Were you in Harbaugh close? Cool?

Oh, I love him. he's my first quarterback when I was a freshman. He was a senior. So he was my first Michigan quarterback ever. He was just part of my latest charity run for St. Jude, which you know about that charity very well. And so he's just, I love him. And everybody's like wondering, you know,

are you upset that he left Michigan to go to the Chargers? And my answer to that, and I'll repeat it here again, is there's a man-made lake outside of SoFi Stadium. I think he walked on it to sign his contract. I do not care. He hung the banner. He left. He gave me one of the greatest years of my life.

Not just sports. It was my life. And so good luck to him. We're going to see him Wednesday. We're going to go. Are you really? Yeah, the Chargers invited us to come out. How cool is that?

Yes. So you're going to be? You're going to be there? Flying in Wednesday afternoon with them. Then I have to go speak on Thursday in San Diego. But they were like, come out. So we're going to go. I never met him.

When do you land? Because, you know, my show studio is two minutes away from their facility. Literally a left and a right. I've been to your show studio, but I didn't know where the facility was. They just opened it a month ago. So. That's true. If you've got time, come back.

You'll be, I don't know. I would like to see the guy. My wife was like, oh, you're going to see Rich again. Yeah. Today. And I was like, no, no, no. When you were coming to the house, you were like, how long has it been to you've seen Rich? And I was like, never.

Yeah, we've never met. She goes, wait, what? I said, I've spoke to him on the phone. Did you call me very graciously before I went and covered for you? Yeah. And then we've spoken on Zoom. Yeah. But any time that I would be there or when I did your show, you weren't there.

I know. Yeah, that's the point. It's a point of it. And I was like, I've never met. I'm just like, really? I'm sitting in that I have to be out for you to sit in, yes. But I love you. Your guys were so freaking warm and cool to me.

And we have a text that we just talk about you the whole time. It's just me and all the guys. I don't know if I want to see that. But they were super nice. Oh, cool. And accommodating and warm. Your studio is massive. It's fun.

It's like a... Like what's the rent on that place? It's filled with stuff in there that is under the category from my wife of, you know where that would look better? Yeah. You know, and I'm like, where? Like, your studio? Oh, God, it. I have, again, I just walked through your finally, beautifully appointed house to come here.

and I thought the question I always ask a bunch of guys is how much of the stuff in the house is what you brought to the relationship. Zero? Well, I saw some guitars on the wall. So those were, and for a while they weren't making the cut. But it's a little sliver where there's like a, what's that game call where you slide it?

Oh, yeah, the, sure, with the sawdust on it? Yeah, yeah. Okay, sure. Whatever that is. We have one of those tables. Yeah, I saw that. And that's your contribution? But what she has done, which makes it cool, is I haven't collected guitars in a long time, but I used to.

But now I have some old ones from artists like Kenny Rogers or who have like signed guitars. Garth Brooks gave me like his guitar. He played one night or one day. But now what my wife has done, she's like, well, you have all these guitars. We don't want to pay for a storage unit. So now we put empty ones up. And some of our friends will come to the house and we'll have an evening. And she'll have them signed guitars and hang them up.

I know, like she elevates it. What she does is she takes your stuff and turns it from the, this is what a great stylist would do is to take your shit and turn it from shit into a piece. Polished a turd, which my grandma said could not be done.

Yeah, it's now a piece. Yeah, true. You know what I mean? Like that's now a piece on the wall. It's not your shit on the wall. It's your, it's a piece that's on the wall. So kudos to you. and your stylish wife.

Yeah, to her. And your relationship, I have in my house, you know, I have an office. So there's stuff that's in there. And there's stuff that once I put it in the office, it's like, why isn't that on your set? I'll get that question, which is a hint. To take it to yourself. Again, I've been, you know, I've been happily married for 21 years now. And then there is one chair in my house that I brought to the relationship.

One. But I bought it with her mom years ago. So it's kind of got like an asterisk kind of. It's a hybrid. But it's my chair. It's what used to be in my apartment. And it's still there. How does the relationship work with both of you being in mostly the same industry?

It's great. I mean, we have a production company together. she is the most collaborative and idea-filled confidant and she also fills in so she got her own best mom ever signed because I have my best dad ever signed on my desk and and she just brings a totally different part of the equation I kind of dig that that you know that when I'm not in the chair she is and there's still, you know, a family sense there. You know, and then sometimes she'll give opinions that I'm not terribly into. But she, you know, she understands that she isn't bad a thousand, you know.

I shouldn't say that stuff. Can we cut this part out? I'm just kidding. A couple weeks ago, the, her and her partner on what the football. Yeah, Amy Truss. I listen to your show almost every day. Thanks, pal. So I appreciate that.

Yeah, that's a great show. Thanks. So is that under your network? It is under a podcast network. They're having a year two come out starting in September. And, you know, Amy Trask is a legend. I mean, she has Hall of Fame credentials from her time with the Raiders, figuratively and quite literally, I think she should be in the Hall of Fame.

And she and Susie, when we've been out to dinner with husbands and friends, and hit it off. And I think we're going to actually legitimately add red wine. to the equation this fall, because the two of them are better when they've got a glass in their hand. And just chop it up. And that's the idea, you know,

is to have, you know, content that is of interest and that you can't get anywhere else, obviously. That's the way to go. But Susie's filled with ideas and filled with energy and filled with just her own sensibility.

Like she did a power ranking the other day of her power rankings of pet peeves, three of which, which I could identify emanating from my behavior. Heavily influenced by home? Heavily influenced. Yeah, especially the leaving clothes in front of the hamper, not in them.

Like, that one really hit home. But that's, I kind of dig putting that out there, you know? Like, that's life. That's relatable. That's what people do. And healthy relationships can survive. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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favorite musical artists of all time to you? Oh, gosh. Give me five. Go one through five. It'd be hard to do it backward. Okay. One. Hmm.

It's a toss-up. One is a toss-up. between because I listened to these guys since I was a kid. Billy Joel and Elton John would be one and two. Depends on a day. Cold play three. You got to put the Beatles on that list. And I know I'm dating myself,

but I am who I am, Bobby Bones. Five. I love the killers. I love the killers. And obviously Michigan adopting Mr. Brightside is another. aspect of that. John Mayer, John Legend, could make this list. So, yeah, that's my power rankings. Last good concert you've been to? Oh, I was at Bruce Springsteen. Again, being from Staten Island, I guess I should have put Bruce on the list, but my wife's a bigger Bruce fan than I am. Her brother is just a

Bruce Nut. So there was that in the forum, Colplay at the Rose Bowl. I like emo, Coleplay, way more than anthemic coal play. I love Coleplay. Sure. I like the sad, slow stuff more than the

get in all the synth. I got it. I understand it. But in terms of just a big stadium band, I mean, Chris Martin just attaches himself to your heartbeat. I've never seen anything like it. I did see you two in the sphere.

Holy shit. What's the sphere like? I've never seen... I mean, I've seen clips. I mean, it truly is one of those things that you cannot believe until you see it. I mean, when you walk into the sphere and for the first time,

and I saw on the wall these cinder blocks, these large, huge cinder blocks. And I thought to myself, with these two dots in each one of these monster sort of cinder blocks, one on top of the other, all the way up to the ceiling, to the roof. And at one point in the roof, you would see these helicopters flying overhead, and it gave you an idea, oh, okay, certainly the hole in the sphere, there's no hole in the sphere, and that's not seeing through,

that that is part of the visual illusion. But had, and I thought that the cinder blocks are made of something that you can cast these visualists on until the concert started and the cinder blocks separated and bright light was shining through it and I realized that the light was an image and so were the cinder blocks this entire time I was sitting there in the hour before the concert and my mind was blown and not only can they put anything on there they can also change the depth perception at one point it felt like the ceiling was collapsing on you. And all I kept thinking to myself,

whenever I watch anybody with dead and company that if the drugs are bad, you are going to have a long ass night, man. Like that is really a wild place to see. You could see anything in there. They had the NHL draft in there recently. That looked amazing. I can't, you know,

and this is how great this fear is and that I would recommend anybody go to it, even though it's owned by the owner of the Knicks James Dolan, who I otherwise have nothing but the greatest of contemptful. And I would say fill his money with, fill his pocket with your money. That's how good the spirit. Do you wish you would sell the team? Oh my God.

Have you wished that for a record? Well, I don't know. I mean, the last couple years, things have turned. So I'll, I'll accept the current results. Like, do you give him Jalen Bronson credit? No, I gave him credit for hiring the guy who got jailing Brunson. Listen, when he threw Charles Oakley or Charles Oakley got thrown in jail and left overnight, that tour it for me.

Do you think Bill Parcell should be in the Hall of Fame? He is in the Hall of Fame. Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame? I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame? Yeah, yeah, I know he's in, but do you think he should be? Yes, I do. Okay, what about Robert Kraft? Yes, absolutely.

I asked that because of the controversies. Sure. The documentary that just came out. Yeah, but I mean, listen, as much as you might feel about Deflate Gate and SpyGate, you know, personally, I think SpyGate's worse than Deflate Gate. Don't forget about it with the flakegate that the ball that was confiscated and sent to the NFL and that sparked the controversy was an intercepted football. So if it was supposed to help, why would Brady throw an interception with it? So what I'm saying?

It's not cookie cutter where one size fits all, all right? So there's that. but you still, despite the spy gate and despite the deflate gate, you cannot deny the greatness of what they did for all those years and deny and think that that was what made Belichick and Brady and the rest of that roster as great as possible. And the organization, as Sterling as it's been otherwise. So, I mean, Robert Kraft is at the head of that.

For the record, I agree. Plus, he was also very instrumental in the advent of NFL network. as well as bridging the gap in the lockout. So I think he deserves credit for that too. Eli Manning? I think he's in the Hall of Fame. He should be. That's next year.

He can now be, yeah, he's now one of the guys. He's first time eligible next year. And I think he should go. What about a guy like Jared Allen? He's out there for sure in terms of sacks and in terms of what he did when he was there. And I think if you put folks like Patrick Willis in and you put folks who had a terrific run in a career that didn't, you know,

wasn't ring heavy and wasn't, you know, for the exception of three years of Patrick Willie's eight years, wasn't all that great. That, that, it's just that unfortunately, it's only seven guys can get in a year. And there's 53 guys on a roster. There will always be guys waiting, always be guys waiting. I made a list of the people that, because Eli was one, but Jared Allen's always been one to me that I thought, man, he's such right on that line. I think so too.

And if it hadn't been for the Vikings, actually being the Vikings, if he'd have been on a different team, possibly, he'd be easier. So here are some of the guys that are up next year. Yeah. Luke Kekley. Yes. He was so freaking good. He was all of him.

He was so good. He will be. I don't know if he's the first ballot, but he will be. Earl Thomas. I don't know about that. I don't know if Earl's going to make it. Marshawn? I think so.

But running back is a real tough one because Frank Gore is going to be up soon too. And so, you know. Do you think it helps Marciaun his personality since he's out of the league? Can that affect? Oh, sure. Of course it can because these are human beings that vote. And they're, you know, you might. But Marcia on, again, I think Frank Gore has, I shouldn't speak these things without

an internet in front of me. But I think Frank has better statistics, more longevity. But Marciaun has moments that, that pop out. more than Frank Gore. For sure, Vinotary, right? Oh, like easily. I doubt. He might be a first ballot.

Clay Matthews? I don't think so. Staley, for sure. At some point, I think he'll get in. But you also, again, don't forget, you guys got, like, Tori Holt should be a Hall of Famer. He's not in. I think Jim Plunkett should be a Hall of Famer.

But Jim's from a different category, that there are veterans committees that will put people in. So, again, when you're a receiver, when you're a defensive lineman, running back quarterback. Those are guys that, you know, have the longest line, I think. And tackles, guards, defensive tackles, pardon me, linebackers usually have to wait the longest corners

because if you're not first ballot, you're going to be on that line waiting to jump past any of the skilled, so-called skilled position. Three final things I want to talk about. Sure. Dack, what's happening? Great question. He's got all the cards. He's got all the leverage as of this conversation. He is unsigned past this year. He cannot be franchise tagged. And he cannot be traded.

So he's the Dallas Cowboys quarterback this year. And he's going to make a killing. He's going to make an absolute killing depending on whether he gets it from Dallas now or he gets bestowed a free agent contract from somebody that's willing to give him 60 million a year. He's going to get it. None of those guys have quite hit 60 yet, right? Jordan Love, two other 55. They're currently at 55. And if DAC goes this year, I think that may be the push pull.

Like he's probably saying, I want something for starts with the six. Dallas may be responding, listen, we've got to pay CD. We've got to pay Micah. We need you to take less. And what about that period, you know, that range of money between 55 and 60s? Can we find a sweet spot there? I'm guessing that might be the push pull right now. But if it's not Dak getting.

60, it'll be Purdy next year. Really? Hell yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Trevor Lawrence got 55, Tua got 53. 1. Jordan Love got 55. Brock Purdy has, if you add up

Jordan Love's, Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua's career playoff wins. Purdy has more. And he probably will even separate himself even more in terms of playoff wins. And certainly, potentially Super Bowl appearances, if not wins in that category.

But won't the narrative be what it's always been with Purdy? We'll look at him. He's got Debo. He's got McCaffrey. He's got Brandon. I, and do we really need to pay him $60 million? And I'm not saying that the narrative is correct. But obviously, when you're the last person picked.

Yeah, that's the reason why. Correct. Don't forget, Brady probably had that for the first couple years of his career, too. He's on a super team. It was Bill, not Brady. But Brady won a Super Bowl, though. You win three out of four. I understand.

We'll see what Purdy does, but I think he's going to get that money. Wow. Yeah, yeah. If he's the first 60 million guy, a lot of people would be, I would love it. I think it, you know, the fact that Trey Lance wasn't the guy that came out of that, and Purdy was. Oh, yeah. I mean, on behalf of guys who looked like they're still in high school, I think he, with you,

I think he would represent people like you very well, probably. The second thing I want to mention, you know, I shouldn't have brought him Conner Stallions. I apologize. Don't worry about it. No, no. No, no. Don't worry about it. I would have loved to have one of those guys.

Well, on behalf of... Because I think I would have been that guy. On behalf of Michigan fans everywhere, you don't want to Conner Stallions in Arkansas. Just pig suey without him, brother. You know Cal? Have you met Cal? I have met him. I think you'd love him.

Don't worry about me. I signed up for a fantasy camp. Okay. In like five weeks, 30 and up with Cal. And? There's like 40 adult men that go play basketball for two days. And? I don't know.

I'm going to tear everything. You're going to love him. Yeah, but I'm going to go play. You'll love him. play basketball. Oh, okay. Well, then, then, you know, we'll find out how many minutes he gives you. But I will, but I will go hard.

Greatest sports achievement? For me? Personally, yeah, for you. You mean that I've, not watched, your, highlight of your sports life. Meaning that you've played. That I've actually conducted.

That you have, you accomplished it. Breaking six seconds in my 40-yard dash. You kidding me? Even better than that was not getting picked last in gym in junior year of high school that one time. I'm just kidding. No, I mean, I realized early on, Bobby, I couldn't hit the curve, couldn't make the jump shot,

and I needed to talk a good game in order to get to a certain level, you know? Was there a decision, final question, a decision you made that looking back, you're really glad you made it career-wise, but was really tough then, and it dictated a lot of where your career went. Oh, God, yeah. I mean, I had many of those moments, man.

Crossroads-type moments. Cross-road moment. The first crossroad moment was working for the hometown newspaper, the Staten Island advance, or the advance as we refer to it in Staten Island. And I was covering on the cop speed. And I was following ambulances because I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And I pulled off the side of the road. I'm like, there's no other way to parse what I'm doing right now other than ambulance chasing.

I need to do something about it. And I went back to grad school to Northwestern, the Dill School of Journalism. That was a big moment for me, getting my first job in Reading, California, and throwing myself deep into it. It was another job like that moment, a moment. Another Crossroads was just saying, screw it.

I'll just send my tape to a headhunter, sent it to three different headhunters. And one of them showed my tape to ESPN. I got hired by ESPN through there. And another one was standing my ground with ESPN about what I wanted to do for them, which led to me getting handed a cardboard box and an opportunity with NFL network and choosing them when I had a couple of options at the time doing that. and then deciding that, you know, I wanted to not just rest on what I was doing for NFL

Network, start a podcast, which led to my current show every day. And just believing in that I, that there's more that I can do than whatever I was supposedly considered by management to be too important and good at what I was doing to try and keep on looking at everything else and try and be ahead of the curve, doing a podcast before many people did one and go to streaming before anybody considered that as a viable option. Like that was, those are all those moments. Well, I'm encourage everybody to stream your podcast. That's how I listen every day.

Thanks, brother. I don't only do anything live anymore. Like, do you consume anything live? Is it except sports? Sports is pretty much it. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's about it. I mean, Saturday Night Live, I watch on clips.

What else? I mean, yeah. I mean, even like, it's about it. Television shows. It's all on demand at this point. Yeah. I don't even think I have cable anymore. Well, that's good because get Roku.

I do have Roku. I do have Roku. I'm a big fan. I really appreciate you making some time for us here. Anytime. Mike, anything? What's the last good movie you saw? Last good movie I saw in the theater?

Anywhere. Anywhere. That I'd never seen before. Yeah, a new one. Huh. That's a good question. Last good movie, man, I don't know. I liked American fiction this year.

I liked that a lot. I'm a big Jeffrey Wright fan. So I'll go with that one. That's a good movie. What was that? Where he writes that book kind of as a joke and then gets really famous from it. And he'd been doing serious stuff before then and it hadn't worked out. But then when he...

Yeah. It's a good movie. Kevin, anything real quick? Yeah, I often say that you're like Jim Nance when you do the draft. When I watch the draft and I'm like, oh, this is like Jim Nance during the Masters. Where do you put that draft? Like, work in the draft weekend for you. Oh, it's the hardest thing I do.

No, without a doubt. because it's long, it's live, the clock's moving. You got to not only know what's going on on the clock, you got to know who's next, you got to know what's happening after that, you got to know what the narrators are going in, how they're playing out or not playing out when it's live in the first round.

And then the second and third rounds, you've got to treat that like it's the first round, and sometimes it can get a little slow there. And then the last day is just comedy. It's like, let's just go. There's a lot of time. If you're watching between rounds four and seven, you need to be entertained as much as possible.

There's different vibes every night, but it is like when I'm done with it, it is demanding. It is the most mentally demanding thing that I do, but I love it. Yeah. Your car is here, I've just been told. Fantastic. So perfect timing. Yeah, my flight's taken off in an hour and 15 and my TSA pre ran out. Plenty of time.

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