The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: The Cat is Out of the Box + Bobby Has a New Best Friend + ESPN’s Sarah Spain Calls Someone Out on Our Show for Being Wrong & The Impact of the JuJu Watkins Injury

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

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Wow. Did you know how popular you are in the sports world? I had no idea. It's finding Sugarman. Yes, that's a great documentary. The guy has no idea that he is super famous in South Africa. Brandon, put the guitar down, dude. You're, okay.

Hey, we get it, dude. We got it. Yeah, that documentary, if you've not seen it, who has seen it? I've seen it. Brandon, you haven't seen it. I've heard about it. I haven't seen it.

I want to do. Dude, you have to watch it. You especially have to watch it. The guy's name is Rodriguez. And, like, he made no money. He was pretty much homeless. Had a music career, but it never amounted to anything. Turns out that somebody had taken his music and distributed it all over South America.

And he was wildly famous over there, and he had no idea. It was like a burnt. CD. Yeah. And caught on. They started to produce it. And then people, they were like, it was so big. People were like illegally producing it. Saying it was somebody. And then

we don't know spoil it, but he was wildly famous in another part of the world. So what we're telling you is like sports people everywhere, love you. And you had no idea. That's, hey, I'm honored. You're Sugarman. You're Sugarman. Hey, that's me, man. Did you blow the whistle? I did. I did. Okay. A couple things to talk about.

we start this. This is getting loaded midnight as Friday morning starts. So at this point, I have already... This is Schrodinger's cat. Yeah. If you guys are familiar with Schrodinger's cat. Eddie, why don't you let let you let us know about Shrodinger's cat? Oh, I don't know what that means.

But I know what you're saying. I know exactly what you're trying to say, but I don't know what that means. What do you mean? Schroeder. Is he the Peanuts guy? No. You're thinking to Charles Schultz. I know. I think Schroeder is like one of the characters in them. Charlie Brown. No, Pean, though,

was written by Charles Shult and John. Yes. Who are you talking about? Who are you talking about? No, I want to know more about where you're mine. Before I go to mine, I would like to know where your mind went. Schroeder,

he was the character on peanuts, so what did you say is cat? I don't remember. What character and peanuts are you talking about? He might be the dirty one. Or is that, Linus? No, that's pig pin.

Oh. Look up Schroeder. Schroeder's one of the dudes. He's the one who plays the piano. There we go. Huh. Okay. But I have no idea what that has to

with what you're trying to say. It doesn't. It has nothing. It's just not the same thing at all. Schroeder's the piano virtuoso guy. Okay. It's also not the right name that you're thinking of. Yeah, at all. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, thank you, Eddie. Charles Schultz, Schroeder the player, all that. Not the same. Got it. So I will, Schrodinger's cat is an experiment where there's a cat in a box, basically, and I won't even do the superposition thing, but the cat is both a and dead until you open the box. Okay, there's poison in the box. Oh, dang.

Until you know, the cat is both dead and alive. Is it really? No, but you don't know. So, its fate is linked to the subatomic event, which is the poison, does it spill and kill the cat? Wow. So my point is...

That's deep. No, just wait, I'll make it easier and worse. Arkansas's in that box right now. You have no idea. The Razorbacks played as you've heard this, the game is over. But they've both won and lost right now because they are still in the box to me

as we record this. So they're the cat with the poison, the Arkansas Razorback Basketball team. They're playing at 9 o'clock hour time, so seven local in San Francisco, and they're playing Texas Tech. And that's the cat, and I hope to God that box is open

when you hear this, the cat's alive. What I like about you is you're a very realistic person. You know, like yeah, you're not like oh i just because i want it to happen this is what i believe so what do you think is in the box um truly i think we lose by five um we we probably go down by 12 or 13 make a little run to get it within two or three and they kind of close the deal win by four or five six around in that at the end yeah that would be hey uh pick a very specific situation and if you're right i'll give you money, that would be the situation that would pick.

That doesn't mean I love them any less. Right, right. Because I love nothing more. But that cat's dead. In my mind, that cat is dead. But it may very well be alive. And I can't wait, saying this is what I was bringing up next. So if that cat's alive, and I'll say that next Monday and Tuesday, I'll be filling

in for Rich Eyes and still doing the Bobby Bone Show in the morning, but then I'm going to be filling in for Rich Eisen on his radio and TV show Monday and Tuesday. and that's in Los Angeles. But if the cat's alive at the end of the night on Thursday night, you hear this on Friday, they have a game on Saturday. Oh, dang. Where are they? San Francisco. I may have to go see the alive cat.

And now, both Eddie and Reed are going with me, and we'd have to... I would love to see the alive cat. The question is, I mean, could... you go? Eddie's got a family. That's a good question. I'd have to talk with the boss about that.

Cats, we don't know. The cats, the cats. But who knows? It may not even need to be a conversation we need to have because we don't know if the cats alive would be. But dang, that'd be cool, man. You should present it like that to the boss. Listen, if the cats are alive.

Be like, like, Schroeder, like Snoopy. You see. I like, yeah. Woodstock. Okay. You know, Snoopy. Just picture this. She'd be like, what?

So if the cats, a lot. I hate this. No, no, but here's also, I can also, there's a meat in the middle, which is nice. A little Diamond Rio? Possibly. Possibly, I can't even go, depending. Probably I can, and we would fly out there private.

But it would be on a Saturday. But if you couldn't go, you would just, I'd just fly southwest on Sunday to L.A. And that would kind of suck. That would suck. You're not used to flying. Yeah, I don't. I'm flying southwest.

That's a big difference. You know, that's my thing, right? I like saying that out loud in a Southwest flight and watch people go like, who's that doucheback? Yeah, that's what I remember with flying with you. You're like, oh, this never happens when I fly private. And somebody always turns around. Dang, dude, this is, ah, okay.

Hey, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. And I almost don't want to say it because of the jinx. but I think the cat outweighs the jinx. So I would love for Arkansas to win. Now that leads me to my next couple of things because I do have some things that specifically I wanted to talk about. And let me do this before I forget. Number one, Russell Wilson, playing for the Giants.

Yeah. What a quarterback. Weird. Yeah. James Winston, Russell, and Tommy Cutlets. You got all of them. Weird, but I think it's, they weren't a player away anyway. Yeah.

But now, like, this whole thing with drafting a quarterback is probably out the window, right? But because I think they weren't a quarterback away, I think they can now trade down and be closer to being just a quarterback away. So do you hate the Giants? That's your Jets guy? No, I don't really hate the Giants. They had the awesome Super Bowl win over the Patriots in 07, so I do appreciate them for that. Okay, so I have a little bit of stuff for that. hate the Patriots more or the Giants more? I definitely hate the Jets

more. Yeah. That's fair. Oh, I didn't know. Same city. I didn't know what the right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the Giants are more like Eagles and Cowboys. That's their big rivalries. So, AFC East. The Giants reached an agreement with Super Bowl winning quarterback one year deal worth up to $21 million. The 10-time Pro Bowl selection has been in discussions with the Giants, the Browns and the Steelers. Hey, you know who is the real winner so far is Kenny Pickett? Because he goes to Cleveland and then the day he goes to Cleveland, Russ is also in the building

and he's like, oh, I thought I was getting a shot at this job. You wouldn't have got a shot at the job at Cleveland sign Russ. I think a little small hands picket whose hands are probably, who's hands are probably bigger than all ours.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor guy. I think he has his shot to play. Even if they draft, what are they two? They're two, yeah, so Chador. Even if they do take a quarterback, I still think he probably plays a lot

because they suck. They do not. So it's interesting. That means probably to Aaron Rogers to the Steelers. Almost certainly. Almost certainly. Almost certainly. Oh, man.

But nothing is certain about Aaron Rogers. Exactly. He's an enigma, you know. I did see Stefan Diggs. To the Patriots. Yeah. I'm not going to be with his brother. And, okay, that's why I remember it affected both of you.

So Eddie, we thought you're a Cowboys guy. You could go to the Cowboys? We want a little family to get. that'd be great for team morale, but no, not going to happen. Yeah. And I feel like. For the Patriots, it's a love, hate thing. At first I was like, that's a lot of money.

But they can cut out after the first year, and I think it's $26 or $29 million guaranteed. Coming off the ACL, getting a little bit older, the only thing I'm concerned about is Drake May and the way that Stefan Diggs can kind of rub quarterbacks the wrong way the last few years. I don't think he really had anything with CJ Stroud, but Josh Allen, it was pretty clear he wanted to. I'm out of there, you'd think, right? So we'll see how it goes. Three years. It's a lot of money, like I said, but if they can cut ties after one

if it doesn't go well, I'm happy with that. What does he talk crap about his quarterbacks? What does he do? I think he's a difficult person to play with. Diva-esque. And that's a diva-esque position. Like, you have to be good at it. Like, that's part of it,

but then there's kind of a line. But yeah, I think not the easiest to have a living relationship with. because he's really good. Really good. And at the end of the day, I'm like, okay, well, he's still better, way better than anybody that we have on that roster.

So that's all I really care about. So here we go. Let's talk draft then. So Travis Hunter, you know, that was the guy. And if he does, was he going to play quarterback? Cornerback mostly and receiver. So does that signing, do you think that affects what the paths are going to do? Yeah, I think they're going to go line, whether it's defense or offense.

Probably offense, especially still with Vrable, no matter what. I think they'll go offensive line, whether it's a Campbell or another. kid because his arms are too short. So I don't think it affects it, no. Do you think they move down? Because they... I hope they do. Because if it's not Travis Hunter and they don't need a quarterback,

why would you stay at three? Four. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Because any of those guys you want to get there, you can probably get 8, 13 in those spots. I'm right there with you. I hope that they do trade down.

Somebody wants Hunter, moves up, gets another first round pick, or a couple seconds, whatever it might be. And then grabbing off into linemen and then just kind of still build internally in the trenches, as I say. For Drake May. One more thing. And we have a lot to do today, but one more thing before I jump. I bet on Auburn to win the whole thing.

I bet a thousand bucks on Auburn. At the beginning of the tournament to win it all, they've been playing pretty consistent. Nobody's really picking Auburn now to win it all. They were the number one, one seed based on their entire season. They're not the flashiest pick. Duke looks freaking awesome. They're just killing everybody that comes

their way. Houston. Houston, to me, what's my analogy? Is it Schroeder this time? Good question. It's not funny, Brandon. Houston to me

was C.J. Stroud last year. And I'm going to make this analogy. C.J. Shrott was killing it every week. But he was also a rookie, and people were like, well, rookie, eventually rookie suck.

and they're not going to win much in the playoffs. Houston is always good. Houston's good. Yeah. But eventually the rookiness catches up with them every year. And Calvin Sam's awesome, awesome as a coach. But I just never believe in them because I've never seen a rookie quarterback won a Super Bowl. You know why? Because it doesn't happen.

I've never seen Houston win a national championship, even though they're freaking awesome. So I don't believe. believe in them. I don't believe in Houston, even though they are really freaking good. Florida, they're probably, if I could re-bet it, the team I would re-bet it on. Really? Yeah, just, you wouldn't re-bet it on Duke? In every element. No, I don't hate Duke, but I would hate betting on Duke. That's, I mean, that's how I'm like with Arkansas. Like, even if I look at the game and be like, oh, they can't win this, I'll never bet that game. But also, it's too flashy. I don't want to bet what's too flashy in these tournaments, because the teams are always like, man,

they look the best, they're going to win. They rarely do. Yeah, Yukon. When they look flashy, they won the whole thing. Oh, Yukon. They won by an average of like 13 points every game. They weren't even flashy. That wasn't even flashed. That was just domination. Straight dominance, yeah.

So I'm still sitting, obviously I still have Auburn. I haven't cashed out because I haven't even made my money back yet to cash out. I don't think I would cash out unless they made it to the finals. I think they do, man. So the situation is if they're playing in the region over, their Arkansas is playing in. And if they win, then Arkansas wins. Arkansas Wednesday play each other. That's it.

Oh, here's my thing, though. So Duke, a plus 210. They're the favorite betting. Florida plus 350. Houston and Auburn, a plus 500. So tied there for third. Then Tennessee, which I think Tennessee

woodsheds Kentucky, even though Kentucky's beaten them twice. Texas Tech and Alabama. And then Michigan State. So Arkansas didn't make the list. You can't even bet on this. They're like, We don't want it.

If you're going to make this decision, you need the money. You just keep the money. You should at least put every team that's still in there. It is, but they don't make that one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They don't make the top half. Yeah. But I did message my new friend, the head coach Texas Tech. Oh yeah.

Caslin. Yesterday. I read it to you. I typo so much, though. Oh, dude, you need to double check your text. No, it's my whole life. It's everything. I think there's something wrong with me

because I type away all the time, even when I don't try. So he's Coach Grant Mac. So I message him. And I'm like, I don't care. I mean, I like him. Yeah. And I like tech if I'm not playing us.

And for some reason, I felt like he needed to know that. Okay. That I wasn't rooting for him. Is that what you texted? Yeah, I wanted to know I wasn't rooting for it. Hey, Coach, FYI. Well, this is why I wrote him. And you can see it.

I'm not lying about this. Hey, congrats on the Sweet 16. You guys seem to the novice to be playing very disciplined. But I do take back. Good luck the rest of the way. I re-pledge it. If you win, I hope you don't. Have a good week, coach.

That's funny. So, and then you reply back, appreciate you and I don't want you to do it any other way. Support your hogs. Looking forward to it, coach. Nice. He was a cool dude. I thought that was pretty awesome.

I don't know why. He didn't sign it, wreck him? He did not. Okay. I didn't sign a Woo Pig, pig, though. To be fair. But I don't know why I felt the need to tell him I wasn't rooting for him. Like, that's, I just did it.

And then I was like, why did I need to tell him I wasn't rooting for him? That's just funny, man. I love that. That's just you. That's what you do. But I wasn't like trying to prove a point. And I think maybe because I was like, I'm rooting for you the whole way because I said that to him. I'm like, well, I didn't want him to be like, oh, you know, he's in a meeting.

He's like, no, no, Bobby's rooting for us. And he has to find out I'm not. So I wanted to message him to say, I am not rooting for you. I will be back, but I'm not. So that's happened. So I wanted to share that. I have two other quick stories here. Story number two, I do have another new best friend.

And this is my new, well, Eddie's my best friend. I was going to say, Eddie getting jealous of me. Who is this person? Eddie's my best friend, but this is my new best friend. And it's Brian Anderson who does the play-by-play for TNT. Do you know he's the voice of 2K? What? What do you mean?

Like when you started up? He's the play by play guy. No way. It's crazy. So, he came on earlier this week. He called four games on day one of the tournament, two days on day two, two games day two. And so I just sent through the person who's book show. I said, hey, he was awesome.

Send him my cell phone number. And I don't know if he needs anything or comes to Nashville. Once tickets, like hit me up. So he hits me up. at 12, 158 a.m., so almost noon that day, right? Oh, wow. He said, hey, I enjoyed the pot. Hit him up if you're ever in MKE, M.K.E., which I'm assuming is Milwaukee. Yes, yes. He said, you're a golfer, and he signed his name because I didn't know where the number was coming from.

I said, hey, man, you're awesome. Same here in Nashville. Have a great rest of the week. Because he does Brewers games, too. Some. I said, if you do Cubs and Brewers, I may come up, like if he's doing the game. And so I sent a picture of me throwing the first pitch at Wrigley just to show him. I still got the heat. Just in case. He's letting you know. Just like, no, I got a little of them tanks.

Hey, that must have taken you a long time to find that picture. I did. I just go for a while. I just go for a while. And he said, appreciate that mutual admiration. It was lefty, nice. He said, hey, I'm actually working two different series of Wrigley this year. You should come, and he gave it a couple days. Let's go.

And he says, do it by 50. I won't read it all. It's about 50 Brewers games, TPA, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, but he was like, here's some dates. Come up. Come up. Come, Briggly, do cut. That's awesome.

You're really going to hit him up on that? I don't know, maybe. But he was like, I'll introduce you to Craig. Which, Craig counsel, the manager, who was the Brewers manager, now the Cubs manager. But this is my new, it might be my new number one. That's close. It's close. It's close.

It's close. It's close. If you weigh it, like, what can I give you? You can't provide it like that. It's close. It's close. Okay, and then I have one other thing. You can meet Mike D, I can introduce you to Mike D,

if you like... All Eddie's got is friendship. I know, and sometimes... Hey, just love, dude, that's it. And sometimes it ain't enough. It's not. And here's the other one, which I think has been bizarrely beautiful. This is another friendship?

Yes. Well, another potential friendship that I thought... There was no reason for me to think this friendship would ever happen, and I can play a little game first where you can try to guess it and then tell you how it happened. I have a guess. We have had either people come to us for this show or too much access, or we have gone to them.

And I would say our success rate has gotten a lot higher than more episodes we've done because we've proved we've a pretty good product. There's been one basketball team that does not college. It's not even opened us coming. Like, it's just been like, nah. I know that is. Yeah. Do you?

Yep. Yeah. Who? They're regional. Yep. Who? Tennessee. Yeah.

Oh, no, I didn't think about Tennessee. No, because I hate Tennessee. Oh, okay. Is it yours? Oh, no, no, I know. Who? KU. Correct. Yep.

So Kansas has, and we've done Kansas State, and we've done. So, I don't care. Oh, Kansas got you. I was thinking Kentucky. I was like, well, you want to do that? That would be UK. Okay, got it. Yeah.

And so I, I, if we never go to Kansas, all good. But I don't hate Kansas. It's just they never had interest. I get it in some COVID. just personalities want to do stuff and some don't. I never reached out to Kansas. I posted a picture, and I don't want to share too much

as this guy's information, but posted a picture of my wife and I, we were in Europe or something, and he had responded in a DM that goes into like the generals that's not into my normals because somebody, I'm so famous that I have my own category

that I don't see all of them. It's the famous. It's so tough. Lots of friends. Yeah. And so. But he looked like a pretty normal, and it was a dude, pretty normal dude, and he said something. And it was a really nice comment about something that it happened in his life.

Nothing else. Didn't ask for anything. Didn't say, and I just said, oh, I really appreciate you saying that. And thank you. That's super kind of you. And from that, we just started talking and he has a job, and he does not live in Kansas. Oh, we were playing, Arkansas was playing Kansas. and that's what it was.

You know, I'm an Arkansas fan. The first round, right? Yeah. And so he was, hey, good job beating Kansas. He just said, I know Bill. I don't know if you know Bill or not. And this time I'm thinking, Clinton? Bill.

Nye the science guy. Right? All that. And so I'm like, oh, cool. He's like, you ever met him? I said, no, but I have a friend, and I have a friend that's the head of the SEC officiating committee. He's the head official of the SEC.

I said, he's done a bunch of Bill Self's games and really likes him. I said, we've tried to do stuff with them, but he doesn't acknowledge our existence. Not in a way of, like, anything other than that's why I don't know him. I've tried, but either way, I'm good. I got Eddie. Now I got Brian Anderson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, don't forget him.

And he's like, I won't get away too much details. He's like, I'm going to talk to him next couple days. And I was like, no need. I don't, you don't have to like do that. He's like, no. If they're, like, you're like a normal, nice guy. He goes, what schools have you been to just so I can tell him? I'll send him the whole sheet.

And he's like, oh, my God, you've done every freaking school. Around there. Yeah, ever. Not only around there, but like NBA teams. He's like, oh, you guys do it. It's a real thing. And I said, yeah. And he goes, hey, I just talk to Bill.

Here's a cell phone number. Just call him. What? Oh, Jesus. Wow. Just call him? You just call them. We're going to call him right now.

I'm never calling him. Call him right now. It's not even that I did. Hey, let's prank call. It's not even a pro or con him. But he's just like, hey, just talk to Bill. Here's the number. Give him a call.

It's to do it to set it up. And I'm like, I will never call that number. I said, well, what about, like, I'll go through somebody. He goes, ah, Bill's not that kind of guy. He'll just handle it and get it set up. And I'm going, I'll never call that number because I don't want to bother him. How would you even start that call? Hey, Bill.

Keep my name. And it's like this. So this guy messaged me on this. Instagram, right? You'll never believe that. So I have two friends and one semi-potential friend. Bill? Bill self.

Even if I never message him, it's always potential. It's Schrodinger's cat. A friendship. It's in the box. Who knows if I would like him or not like them. So that's funny. That happened. And you're not going to call him.

Have to. Kevin's like, do it. I do. I honestly don't know how you would start that call. I wouldn't call though. I would text. Yeah. My history, though, of knowing coaches and texts non-responsive and not because they don't like you. Most coaches I know, they are just so hyper-focused on everything outside of their phone. But yeah, I have that. That's pretty amazing. It's pretty crazy.

Okay, I'm going to do this. That's okay, though. I'd let you have Bill Self as a best friend. that's fine but Brian Anderson's he made Brian Anderson Yeah yeah And not only that And then also Now you're your buddy from Instagram Oh and coach

He was part of the buddy list too Yeah Oh my god Not not Not for one day though right Oh I hate him too For one day he's off Well this is

Well no Here's a thing I moved in that day Yes I call this McCaslin's box So either right now As this airs I love him again

Or I hate him Right you have no idea That's right Okay So let's build a parlay here Friday's games Why? This is so hard

Hey last week The second Yeah Saturday Took a lot of underdogs To cover When it happened Just throwing that out there On Saturday?

I hit three parleyes in a row Wow You had three parley How many game parleyes? Two of them were three I believe and one was two Dang is that why you're wearing The fancy shirt today

Yeah I went on a spending spring Same buddy It looks good Yeah thank you So we got four games games here. Two of them are close, so I'm going to go Moneyline on the two

close ones. Michigan State's a three and a half point favorite, but I'm going to take Ole Miss Money Line. And do you know why? Malik Dia? No, SEC. Oh. Hey, seven to the 16 teams are SEC teams? Yeah. Well, at least they were until the box. Yeah. Yeah. But we're doing Friday's games. Kentucky and Tennessee

is a four and a half point favorite. I'm going to take Ole Miss Money Line and Tennessee money line. Right? I want take those two winners. And then the Auburn line is crazy. It's minus nine and a half. Oh, wow. Against Michigan.

That seems so high that I'm going to take it because I know I'm wrong about this stuff. That's what you do. I would never take that. I would say that's so high. I would never, so that's why I'm picking it. Auburn minus nine and a half. So we got Ole Miss Money Line, Tennessee Money Line, Auburn minus nine and a half. You're going to be puckered for the first half of that game because it's probably going to be closed.

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This is my friend Sarah Spain. I used to listen to her on ESPN way back in the day. And the first time I met her, I was like, oh, I always listened to you all the time on ESPN. And she was like, how did you get in here? I was like, oh, yeah, sorry about that. Sarah, thank you. That's a good, dude. That was good, thank you.

I didn't expect you guys keep laughing for that. That's kind of stupid. Sarah is super dialed in when it comes to sports in general, but women's sports especially, the NCAA tournament, that tournament's going on right now. She has a great show called Good Game with Sarah Spain that I want you to check out an Emmy

and a Peabody Award-winning journalist. Mostly, though, like she just knows ball. And so we'll talk, like, Ju-Ju Watkins at injury. We'll talk NCAA women's tournament. But then it's just like all bets are off. And then somebody screws up real bad. And that person wasn't me, but you're about to hear it. We won't name any names.

Big fan. Check out Good Game with Sarah Spain. At Sarah Spain on Twitter. Here she is. Sarah Spain. Hey, Sarah, I first want to start with Juji Watkins. An ACL tear. Let's just talk about that first because probably ends their run in the tournament.

And then I want to go from that. But your thoughts on how severe this is, what do you know? And then what is USC going to? to do the rest of the tournament. Yeah, it's just a huge bummer. You know, not only is she probably going to win player of the year and as a sophomore is already trying to kind of take the mantle from Caitlin Clark as the face, the name, the player that everybody knows.

But it's always just terrible to see a season end prematurely. We all wanted to see what would happen if USC ended up facing Yukon, which is what we expected in the Elite 8, see Page Beckers versus Juju Watkins. That's a ratings bonanza, and that's the two biggest names, really, in women's college basketball right now. So, yeah, just really heartbroken for Juju. I will say, I don't think USC's tournament is over. Kiki-Irafen had 36 points and nine boards in their last game, and they're taking on a Kansas State team that honestly I don't think can beat them even without Juju.

The question really is mentally, Bobby, when your teammate goes down midgame like that, you see her in a heap on the floor, she gets carried off, you're waiting to hear exactly what the situation is. Maybe you still have hope that she comes back. When you get to that next game and you've had a couple days to be disappointed, to be heartbroken for your teammate, maybe she's even sitting courtside in a big old brace for this K-state game. Mentally is this team ready to approach the rest of the tournament with a completely different mindset without their, you know, top player superstar with them. And USC is still a point and a half favorite. That line changed drastically once she was injured. Oh, yeah. Yeah. As far as the ACL injury,

goes, though, it's so late. And again, it feels almost like Kyrie in the NBA, where that injury was so late that it's going to affect next year, almost a whole season with him next year. So same thing here with Juju Watkins, this ACL tear. How severe is it or what do we know about it? And as far as next year goes, is she going to be able to be 100% when the season starts? Yeah, so the last thing we heard was just from USC officially that she would be out for the rest of the tournament. Then we had sources reporting the ACL tear. So the last I've seen from USC, my guess is that they haven't come out with an official notice about the entry because they're trying to see if there are other related injuries. You know, oftentimes with an ACL, you might

have an MCL, you might have other knee issues in addition to the ACL tear. So I think they're probably just trying to figure out the extent of the damage before they reveal the diagnosis and the prognosis in terms of how long it'll take. These injuries and these surgeries are better than ever here in Chicago, one of the NWSL players for the Chicago star, Sam Stob, came back way faster than expected. So I think it is dependent on the player, the rehab, how well the surgery goes. But yeah, it's pretty late. And I think what we know about Juju is, if you're not super familiar with the women's game, people have been asking me like, oh, she's going to be number one in the draft, right? Like, she's got to go. And I'm like, oh, you know, on the women's side,

there are age requirements. You have to play X number of years and or meet a certain age in order to be eligible for the WNBA draft, at least with the current CBA. That might change. But with Juju, she's only a sophomore. So I don't know how much it might cut into next season, whether that ends up being something where she'll save eligibility or whether she's in a rush to get to the next level. So a lot of that will just depend on her recovery. Well, and also there's a massive pay disparity, too, where you, Juju would make a lot more

money playing at USC than with... Not necessarily. Because with the WNBA, you get your salary and you still get all those sponsorships. You know, NIL money can be tied to universities for areas and for sports in particular where your peak earning power is as a collegiate athlete where, you know, softball, for instance, is a sport where the world, you know, the college world series, the college, the college, the college, the, you know, in endorsements and stuff in their college years. But in the WNBA, you now, you get a salary. You can add another 200k plus a year in unrivaled if you join that league, and you get all the sponsorships and deals you were getting in college. You got to play another league, though, too. Three on three on three. I like three on three.

I mean, unrivaled, they put it together well, and they're getting paid. What did you think of unrivaled? That one-on-one tournament alone. What did you think? I thought it was a blast. I thought it was a blast. I think part of it for me is if you know the women's game and you know these players well, you're fascinated to see them mixed up and playing together,

and you also love to see the ISOs where you get to see skill sets that maybe didn't recognize. I think, you know, if you tend to watch men's hoops, you have to imagine if you took the 33 best NBA players and drive, dropped him into Miami for eight weeks and got to see all these rivals playing on the same team for the first time. The one-on-one tournament, I don't know if you saw Kevin Durant and some other NBA players saying, I don't know how they beat us to this, but we got to do this. And the question is whether the NBA guys have a willingness to put their egos on the line in a one-on-one. Because I loved watching that and what we learned from that, like, especially about the unicorns and the bigs.

I thought it was going to be a lot of guards with some nifty ball handling skills working their way around the bigs. and it ended up being one guard in the final four players and a bunch of bigs that had crazy length and much faster, more endurance than you expected from the talls. So I would love to see that on the men's side too. So I thought unrivaled had a bunch of ideas that are going to get stolen by other leagues. Let's take the juju-walkans,

let's put it in the vacuum so it doesn't exist. So I just want to talk about Yukon for a second because I think Pagebecker stays. Everybody wants to see or win a championship. We love to see people that hang around and stay with it. and then for that to finally pay off. And South Carolina and Yukon are probably the two teams now.

But I think now, like my interest, I was very much a juju-walking. I got a bunch of signed juju-watching stuff, if I'm being honest with you, very selfishly. Yes. But now it's like I'm rooting for Yukon, and it's weird to root for a dynasty I have no relationship with because I love to see somebody stick around and then see that come to feration. So talk about that. Yeah, you know, I had Gina Oriama on my. my show, Good Game with Sarah Spain.

And we talked about how it's kind of unfair, but it's true that if Paige Becker's and ends up graduating they don't win this year, she will be the best player Yukon's had that never got a ring. And that's been injuries. That's been quality of play. That's been parity across the women's game, completely shifting in the last couple of years. It used to be all about Yukon. And now there are any number of teams.

You didn't even mention UCLA. They have a really good shot to win it. I don't think anyone has a good answer for Lauren Betts. So there's a handful of teams that you could see winning it. And I would love to see Yukon win too. I just think Paige Beckers has fought through so much as an athlete. She is an incredible ambassador for the game for speaking up for not just herself, but other players that are not as often talked about.

And watching her in AZ Fudd be on the court at the same time healthy. And they have absolutely dusted everyone in their path. If we were reseeding this, starting with the Elite 8, I think you'd be hard pressed to put a team above Yukon, maybe South Carolina. They have also absolutely obliterated anything in their path. But, yeah, Yukon and Paige Beckers now sort of takes the stage as probably the name everybody knows and the team people will be rooting for now that Juju's out. Texas is one seed.

I hate Texas. How good is Texas? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you hate this team or just anything from Texas? Any Texas University of Texas team period ever in the history of the world? I hate them all. Not individual. I lived in Austin, my favorite city.

I lived there for 13 years. and I have friends that coach on staffs and have played there and I love them individually. I hate Texas. So I hope they lose everything. But they are really good. But as far as the one seeds ago, are they comparable to South Carolina, UCLA?

I think in some, this is a tough one. Sometimes I feel like they're being slept on. Madison Booker is insane. 20 plus points in each of the first couple games. Vic Schaefer, a very, very respected and very veteran coach who has led this team to some pretty big wins. And they took care of business in the first two rounds. Zero challenges from William and Mary in Illinois.

I just think that they don't have the sizzle of some of the other ones. And so they can get slept on. I think they will be fine with Tennessee. Tennessee is a tough one, though, in that they can lose any game and they lose some games you're kind of confused by, but they can also beat some really good teams. So I think Texas is fine in the elite eight. I think when you get down to the final four, you're going to have, you're going to have Texas probably as the number one seed that I think will be easier to knock off than the others.

Yeah, I like to hear that. I'm really rooting for that to happen. You mentioned Gino earlier, and it's been talked about a few times, but Gino, I won't say a hater, but did not probably have the belief that Caitlin Clark could perform as quickly as she did last year. What would Gino say if you asked them about it today? Yeah. I don't think anyone, frankly, was – well, that's not true. I'm not going to name any names.

There were a couple haters. But for the most part, I think it was people being honest. And a lot of folks not in the women's game expected a lot more kid gloves. Didn't understand that this is a professional league. WNBA is going to be just like any other league where they're going to say, welcome to the show, Rook. We're going to show you how it's done. And Caitlin, her turnovers, her sloppiness with the ball early on was what a lot of people expected.

You're playing bigger, faster, stronger, more talented players at every single position on every other team. and then she found her groove and it was so fun to watch. I think Gino would probably, I don't know, I don't want to speak for him, but I think a lot of the folks were honest. And Dana Tarasi was a perfect example. Like when she was playing against Caitlin, she had nothing but great things to say about her, but she was accurate in what she said,

which is the beginning's going to be a little tough for. And it was. It was what a lot of folks expected. I'm fascinated to see what the Indiana fever look like this season. They have added some pieces, and they are going to be a problem. and we've already seen, I think, 41 of their 44 games are going to be

on national television. Most of their opponents are looking to upgrade venues so that they're playing, for instance, the Chicago Sky in the United Center, where the Chicago Bulls play. A lot of teams are looking to NBA stadiums and arenas to try to get enough fans in because everybody wants to get that ticket.

So year two of the WNBA with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, same thing with that. It's going to be a blast. I'm not saying this because we're talking women sports with you specifically, but Caitlin Clark is my favorite American athlete period. I love that. Across all sports. And so I was always an advocate early on of she just finished playing college basketball and immediate, it's not the same as the men

where they finish their season. They go to camps. They work out for teams. They have, they rest. They have, it's okay, that's over. You're immediately on. And I think that was probably a significant reason that she was a bit slower, it's weird to say slower developing, a bit slower developing in her terms as she was. And also just getting to know your teammates, like one of Caitlin's best skills is her playmaking and her passing.

And if you're not in a rhythm yet with teammates, because to your point, you literally just played in the National Championship, then got drafted, then you're suddenly having to play games with a whole new team in a whole new league, you just don't have the timing down yet. And what we saw not only from her teammates

was that they started to figure out her style of play. She started to feed them where they wanted the ball. And now you're going to have this influx of even better talent on that team to work with for her. And it's going to be awesome. It's going to be so much fun. I can't wait as well. And you mentioned the pieces. But also, you get to bring a friend to your team, which is what happened with Kael and Clark.

If you get to bring like a good friend to play with you who's also really good, like, that's pretty exciting. And a brand new coach. And I'll tell you what, Stephanie White. is a very talented coach who did great things with that UConn team, or sorry, with that Connecticut team. And, you know, when we saw that they were parting ways, quote unquote, parting ways mutually, we knew she was headed to Indiana and we knew she wanted to go get a chance to coach Caitlin on that team. So that's going to be a blast.

I'm not a poser. I have a WMBA ticket, the game. I call it, it's not Sunday ticket. What's it called? Yeah, league pass. Yeah, league pass. Yeah, I have WNBA league pass. And so I'm not opposed to on many other things I am.

for sure. But for this, I'm definitely, I am not a poser. And yeah, I'm super excited. And, you know, we know that a lot of the Pacers execs because the Pacers and that's the same owners. And so it's going to be awesome to see them rested. Because you also, I can do this for an hour. But just looking, they had two first round picks in row in the South Carolina, the girl in South Carolina, the girl in South Carolina, they were terrible, but she was the only good player on the team the year before. Alia Boston. Yeah. I mean, when you're a team that gets back-to-back number one overall picks, that says something about your record, right? I think that tells you what you need to know about what was happening with the fever the last couple years before. They had one of the greatest

players of all time, Tamiki Catchings, and they had a really good stretch when she was there. Unfortunately, after she retired, it's been pretty ugly for them. But now they re-signed Kelsey Mitchell, like you said, Aaliyah Boss and Sophie Cunningham coming from the Mercury. It's a fiery, feisty player. That'll be interesting. Obviously, Brana Turner, Lexie Hall, just, I think, improved her skill set and unrivaled and is going to bring more in her bag. And then you added DeWana Bonner and Sidney Colson. Sidney Colson, an incredible just attitude player, someone who's won titles with the aces and comes in as a veteran is going to bring just great vibes.

And then DeWana Bonner, one of the greatest scores of all time in the WNBA. She's one of those players that when you're watching her, she is so tall and so skinny that you're like, how is she not getting broken on every play? And instead she's out there, you know, averaging 16 plus a game and just, you know, dominating. I have three final questions for you. There's completely independent of anything we've talked about. And number one is that you played lacrosse at Cornell. No, heptathlon.

Wait, what? Wait, what? That's even better. Someone got you bad info. Well, that's even better. Yeah, I blame Kevin. We can show Kevin on it. Because I didn't know that.

I was surprised by that, which is why I was asking the question. People responsible. He's responsible. So I was shocked by that, but now I'm even more shocked that you did that. So what, how many is that? Hepatathlon is, it's seven. It's long jump, high jump, hurdles, 800, 200, javelin and shop. Couldn't count that high.

I thought it was, I was, one. You stopped at six. Wait, so which were you best at? What did you thrive at? And then what was your worst that you had to like take the floor higher? Javelin and javelin long jump and hurdles were my best. And 800, it's the last event. You're tired, you're sore and you got to basically sprint,

half a mile. Not great for me. Is it? I've done a couple triathlons and that's not, that's only three, that's not seven. Right. I don't know if they look. There's swimming and biking in there with heart in mind, but sure, yep. But when they put the swimming first because they don't want you to die, honestly, because they want you to drown.

Yeah. When you, in the heptathlon and because I have no knowledge of this, do they put them in an order based on what you just said because of things that could possibly go wrong if you're more exhausted at one of them? I would say, Yeah, safety for sure.

And also an 800 is an empty the tank event. Like you couldn't run an 800 knowing you have to save your legs for long jump or hurdles or something. So they put that last. So it's like after this you just get to lie down. If you ever watch, like it's one of my favorite things when I try to explain to people, like the camaraderie of people in a haptathlon because you're moving event to event together over and over all day for two days. So you just like know each other well. So it's like you bond with your opponents a lot.

But also at the end of the 800, they are all flat on their back. on the track dead. Just like that was it. That was all I had. I gave it all. I'm not moving for a couple days. And you could just tell that that's it. Side question.

I'm going to ask you actually ask a question. One of our guys. Hey, Kevin, why did you think she played lacrosse? Like, where did that come from? You're my... Oh, is it on? I don't see the light. You've embarrassed me in front of my friend.

Yeah. Because I was shocked by that, which is why I was bringing it up. I've embarrassed myself in front of your friend. Yeah. I blame the internet. That's... Where would it say I played lacrosse on the internet? wild. The internet also says my husband

as a billionaire, which, you know, there are things we wish were true on the internet. I saw that, but I didn't put it on the sheet. Interesting. Yeah. It'll be nice. He'll be whipped after, don't worry. Bulls fan? Yeah. Josh Giddy. Thoughts.

Well, okay. You made a funny noise. He's played well, but weird, but okay, go ahead. Yeah, but I mean, there's some stuff with Josh Gitty that we're all... Yes. That's why I asked the question. Yeah. I'm more interested in talking about Kobe White. How exciting is going to like, you know.

Listen, let me tell you, let me take you inside the world of a Bulls fan in Chicago right now. They messed up the local sports network so bad that in order to watch the games, you have to put a satellite dish on your house. What year is it? You can't pay, you can't subscribe. Like, nobody in Chicago, very few people are even watching the games because they so royally screwed us over with the new network. that it's like it's it's literally impossible for some people to get the games unless they go to the

United Center and watch the midperson yeah that sucks especially somewhere like chicago and and no offense to like salt lake city but i would think okay right when i used to see that in other markets i'd be like wow that's so that's so backwards i feel so bad for them they're so behind the times and i'm like here and here's the thing so back in the day the owner of the blackhawks so this is the same thing for the blackhawks like they're on that same network almost no one can watch them back in the day, the owner of the Blackhawks thought it would encourage more people to come in person if he blacked them out in the local market so that they'd have to come watch. And instead, just no one cared and no one paid attention to them. And when he passed away, the son took over and was like, we got to get us back on TV. That's when they started winning all the titles. And it was like, clearly we would never do that again. And yet, here we are. Right. Rest and peace around the horn. Yeah. Some exciting news that I can't quite share yet. So I'll just give you a tease that there are going to be some things that happen over the end of the show's run that I think people. people will be excited about. I'm so sad it's going away. I just think it's so special, not just for

all of us on it that really felt like it was like a family and Tony Reale was our little TV dad. But I think also just it was very unique in presentation, in style, in different perspectives, and hearing from different cities. It's just everything so debatey now. And it was a lot more nuanced and I thought really fun, especially the Halloween shows. I'm a massive lifelong Cubs fan. how you feel about counsel? Jury's still out. I think when you have as much success as he had before arriving, you have to assume that there's still a lot good stuff to come.

I'm just consistently disappointed with how the Cubs of late have acted like a small market team. I don't expect everyone to be the Dodgers and spend, spend, spend, but I just, there's not enough pieces I'm excited about Tucker. Obviously, Shota is really exciting. I look forward to another year of hopefully Justin Steele dominating. I just don't think there's enough. You look at them against the teams that have these stacked rosters,

and I don't think they've done enough. And to me, that's a choice. That's a team that knows they're going to make a ton of money because everybody wants to come to Wrigley every year and buy the gear and everything. But, you know, time to get back in the business of contending. I tell my friends, because I've been a loser my whole life with my two teams, which is Arkansas and the Cup.

We had 2016, and that was amazing. I went to the World Series. I went to game two. We lost to the Indians. but I ended up winning. I went to all seven. It was so, so. You didn't have to flex.

You didn't have to flex on me right there. That's cooler. It's all good. And I was talking to a friend the other day about it and we're talking baseball and because he's one of his best friends is the gym for the Dodgers. And I was like, man, you guys have money. And he asked me, what does it feel like sucking? I said, you know what?

I think I die and I'm okay because there were like two generations ahead of us that never got to see it. Never saw it. Like parents and grandparents. Unless you're alive in 2008, you never got to see it. So even though I want to win and I expect to be competitive and I'd like to see us spend money, it's... We could still have joy because of 2016.

For the kids out there, he means 1908, not 2008. Unless you were alive in 1908. Yes. Because it was over a century ago, there are 208s he could be referring to. I completely agree. I remember talking to Boston fans and they were kind of telling me, The only thing that sucks is once you break the streak and you win, you're just every season's a disappointment and you're mad because now you expect to win every year. And I was like, no, that's a choice.

Like, you could choose to come off the mountain of happiness about the win and start complaining every year. I'm just going to stay on top of the mountain. And so, yes, of course, I want them to spend. I want them to contend. I want them to be good. But I have not lost the joy and the gratitude of being alive for 2016. Because to your point, during that run, I mean, I'm getting goosebumps literally just talking about the number of people that took radios to. to a grave stone to listen with someone that they lost

that didn't make it long enough. The chalk writing on the side of Wrigley Field on the bricks, like shouting out people that couldn't be there and weren't alive for it. Like, I don't know, there's something particularly romantic about baseball and particularly about the Cubs history that you'll never get me to not get kind of teary-eyed about the fact that we got to be alive and see that.

My final question, and we mentioned before you came on, just again, you guys listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain. wherever you get your podcast, but we're literally on a podcast, so it's, that's like going. Not right here. Wherever you get your podcast here. You can't get it here, but anywhere else. She's very funny. Obviously, she knows sports.

And you're doing a thing at the Women's Final Four with Sue Bird, who I love and I've gotten a chance to know. I don't know Diana Tarasi at all, but Sue's awesome. What are you guys doing there? We're doing a live show for Capital One. Just going to talk about their relationship, Diana retiring. I have another tease. I can't give too many details, but if you're a fan of John Oliver's show and the way he sort of takes his show from on the air to into the world, he'll like do a story about a mascot and then buy that mascot costume or he'll do a story and then, you know, end up having the John Oliver koala chlamydia unit in Australia as a result of the story. Like he just takes the show and brings it out, breaks the fourth wall. I have a little moment with Diana Tarasi in honor of her retirement that will be announced during that show. And then that's going to air, I think, the Monday after the final four, but anybody in Tampa can come watch that show

in person. It's going to be a blast. And, okay, and the final question is when you walked off the field in your lacrosse career, like, what was your final thought as you left the field? I think, I think it was like, wow, I should have learned the rules. And I don't know what position I am. And why am I dressed for high jump? Exactly. Sarah, you're the best. You guys follow. It's in the notes, but on Instagram, Sarah Spain, 23, 23. Just look at the notes. We have it all there. Appreciate you. You do an awesome job.

You guys saw her at the Super Bowl? Yeah, she was on the stage. Oh, you didn't like that. I saw you. I saw you at the Super Bowl. You just don't remember because you were in the zone. You were getting ready for your show, Bobby, but we said hello, yes. You guys said hello and you didn't say anything.

You don't remember that? I said hello to you. I was at the Super Bowl? Hey. Oh. I think you were like, who was this lady on my stage? No, no, that's not true. Let me just get out of your way.

That would not be true. That would not be true in a million years because I told, I actually, I actually, the first time we met, went to you and was like, hey, I'm a massive fan, and here's one I used to listen to you. I know. We had a blast in France. Maybe you didn't recognize me. Maybe I was off my game. Maybe I looked weird. I don't know. We did say briefly. Briefly. We didn't know her in her lacrosse jersey. That's what they do. Sarah, thank you. And hopefully we'll talk to you soon. Thanks for having me. Everybody listen to a good game. Only women's daily sports podcast. Come check us out. Bye, Sarah. When it comes to college basketball, and it comes to Marchmania, one thing is for sure. Nothing is for sure.

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see dkng.com slash audio. The 2026 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Rodriguez after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap, everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh.

We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio app. Open the app, search NFL Daily, and listen now. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, This platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve

to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker. a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation.

There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we've had an attorney and we're going to set up an escrow for the pickleball challenge. It should be in Cleveland. I don't feel comfortable planning this guy's home court.

We have to find a different court in Cleveland. But I've not spoken to the guys. So I'm going to give you his, do you have Twitter? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, don't worry. I'm on Twitter. Just no TikTok, Tick-Tac or Facebook. What?

Tick-Tac? Who even says Tick-Tac? That's what I call it Tic-Tac. Why are you on Twitter but not Tick-Tac? When TikTok is so much better. Because Twitter is hilarious. Twitter's the worst now. Twitter's the worst now.

And for sports, like it's the best place still to get, I know a lot of it is fake news, but it's still a great spot to get news quick. Yeah. I think TikTok's better. See, I can't really compare. That's our point. Well, then get on it, man. I use TikTok for so much news.

If you're not algorithming it, you can just search and do recent, and you can see all news for everything. Not my point. I digress. Yes. If you go to my Twitter page, I can find the guy's name. I need you to message him and say, hey, this is Kevin. I'm with Bobby Bones. We have an attorney that is going to set up an escrow.

just wondering if we want to start moving forward on setting up a pickleball showdown for the $1,000 each challenge, that type thing. So can you do that reaching out? Yeah. He's under your account? Yeah, when you say stuff like that, I'm feeling you're not.

Like is he under a post that you had on the pickleball one? I can just send it to you. Okay. But I'm going to have you be that guy. Yeah, I'm that guy. Do you have a blue check? That's the liaison. I do not have a blue check.

Do I need a blue check? You don't have to now to pay for it. But do they, don't they have to follow you to see the message? Depends. He's like a normal dude. I did read because he commented on something. He's like, yeah, I've been trained him for a Iron Man recently. This guy's a four-year division one athlete.

Yeah, a wrestler. Troll, Iron Man. And like, I want to go playing a pickleball. I'm representing the little man everywhere. This is great. I'm representing the little man. And now, I'm going to go do it. I can't wait to see this guy.

How is this not going to be on Netflix? I'm just confused. Like this is... Well, we haven't even got to actually agree to it yet. That's true. So we live stream it? Oh, we would. Okay.

Yeah, we would. We'd probably put on, uh, By-Bones channel on my YouTube channel. Nice. Um, this is a big deal. Yeah. You know, like when... He hasn't said, yeah. He hasn't said, yes yet.

I don't even know what his name is. I know. So, will you reach out? Yes. Okay. Next up on the agenda. Got this... That looks like a formal letter.

No, they just typed it and printed it. Oh, okay. That's formal now? Well, because it was folded three ways. Like, it was in a letter. Hey, Mike, can you hear me? Yes, I can. You're going to like this.

So, all of us are here. A long-time listener, and I have binge listened pretty much all your morning shows. You guys are awesome, hilarious. I hope you guys enjoy and have a great day, Austin. And then he sent us these gifts. These are awesome. Really?

What we got here? It's hard to get you excited. It is possibly one of the coolest gifts I've ever gotten. If I were to get this for my... birthday from my wife, I would go, that's awesome. And it's hard to get me anything that I think Oh, it's impossible. That I go, wow, that's really cool. You took the time to think about it. Because it's not about how much it's the cost. It's like the effort, the time thinking. So I'm going to show you mine first. Okay. It's from Austin. So here is the certificate of authenticity, right? So it just means it's real. Okay. It's in a box. And you open it up and it's a, first of all, it's a pen. It's a really nice pin, right? Okay. It's red.

Nice pen. Certificate of authenticity. Hardin Penworks LLC certifies that material supplied to this. This pin was made from the plastic seats of Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium.

Oh, that's cool. Razorback Stadium is a football stadium at Fayetteville, Arkansas. It is served as and then goes through the history. The first game was played in 1938. The material is guaranteed to be 100% authentic

Razorback Stadium. Red freaking pin made of Arkansas Razorback Football Stadium. That's freaking cool. That is really cool. Should they, like, retired seats maybe or something? They recycled and turn into pens.

That's really cool. That takes some thought. Tell me that that is not one of the coolest gifts. I got to get this Austin guy on the phone at some point. That's really nice. Okay, next up. You've always kind of wanted to be a pen guy, too. Yeah, I know.

I became watch guy, but then I just lose pins. Pens are hard to eat. They're so hard. It's like sunglasses. I lose them. Chaptic. Yep. Next up.

This one's a bit different. Hardin Penworks LLC certifies that the materials applied to La La La La is from the seats of Nealon Stadium. University of Tennessee Volunteers Football, constructed in 1921. What? That's sweet. Kick off Kevin. Let's go. Kick off Kevin.

This one's yours. No balls. Kevin. Come take your pen. All right. I'm coming. And there is a, there's the little filler. like the actual ink

because it's like a real nice pin Look at that Tennessee Orange man You have to put that in there What's the print on it there Kevin? Is this a little bunch of teeth? Here I'm going to give you your certificate of authenticity Tell me This handmade item was crafted by the artistin sign below

The material source was distributed And there's certificate of all This is the cool These are the coolest gifts So that's from University of Tennessee seats Austin going hard Yes Oh that's really cool

Damn What do you open? Is it all wrapped up? Okay. I haven't seen this one yet. That's the problem, baby. I'm going to make sure it works. You've tested it?

Yeah. Next one up. Texas Stadium. Hardin Penworks LLC Certifies. From the plastic seats of Texas Stadium mixed with Dallas Cowboys, Team Color Resin, opened in 1971, located in Irving, Texas.

The stadium was the home field for the Cowboys for 38 seasons until 2008. This is from Texas. stadium. This is Eddie's Dallas Cowboys Stadium. Wow. Austin. Thank you, man. That's really cool. How cool. Guys, like, I'm

almost like emotional because this is like such a cool gift. Hey, Mike. I mean, look, this is Cowboy Blue. Wow, this is really cool, Austin. Eddie got Cowboys. What do you think you got? And I'm going to say yours is no it's not worse. Is it Texas? Oh, that would be interesting. I think you're going to like it even better. Okay.

I think. Just like the Rangers. Mike, you're going to love yours. What is it? Is it the blood of somebody? Oh, that'd be cool. Bart Simpson's blood. So I'm going to show you yours, okay?

Okay. It's not the University of Texas. I'm going to show you yours. If you look at it, it looks kind of, what's it look like from there? Like a light purple gray? It's like a... It's wood.

It's wood. Yeah, maybe it's just a light. It's wood. You can see the wooden grains on. and everything. Wooden grains. Okay. What is that, though?

Authenticity, Mike. This pin. Okay. So it's from a specific tree and then thinking, what, do they kill the tree to make a pen? They did not. Half of the tree fell

due to trunk rot after being hit by lightning. The tree was further damaged in July 2016 due to strong winds. The remaining portions of the tree were cut down April 9th, 2017 by the property owner. this tree has been described as among the most iconic trees in film history.

The remains of the tree have been turned into pop culture merchandise, such as pins, knives, and hammers. Any idea what tree this is from? The Lion King tree? Now that wasn't real, Mike. It was inspired by like a real tree. This is a real tree. This tree was located on private property at a place called Malabar Farm.

to say the state Yeah Richland County, Ohio But that doesn't That doesn't mean Ohio Ohio That doesn't mean

It's going to lead you To where it is In Ohio What could a tree be in Ohio Movie related Any guesses guys Could be Forrest Gump It's a good guess

That's not it Okay But Because Jenny You know Talking out of Dangle But equal Hmm

In the spectrum of cinema. Okay. What do you think, Mike? Trying to think of a famous movie tree. This tree played a central role in the film's plot and was one of the most popular tourist sites connected to it. The tree was at least 100 feet tall and approximately 180, 200 years old. It was featured in the motion picture.

The movie came out in the 90s. Shawshank? Yes. Ooh! Nice, Eddie. The Shawshank Redemption Tree was the wider. located near, you know, the tree where it's where he finds the stuff. This is from that tree.

Dang, that's cool. And here's your certificate of authenticity. Dude, that's legit. That is so cool, man. These are really, really cool gifts. Dude, this is the craziest thing. We don't even deserve these. We do not.

So here's your. What's that says something on the? Shawshank tree. Get busy living? Or get visit, die. Righton. Oh, right. That's true.

That's true. That's right in the better. So we want to shout out, Austin. Shout out. Gosh, look at this. Thank you, Austin. Because that is pretty freaking sick. And we don't really like beg and solicit for gifts.

And a lot of times we give away stuff because I'm like, I don't want people sending this stuff just because they want either promotion or this was not that at all. It was just somebody who was kind and thought of all of us and did that. Did you get another little piece too of plastic? of just like the recycled plastic? I don't know. It was in my box. Look, I got like a little just a,

oh, well, I just dropped it. Oh, I got, I got an actual hog testicle. A hong testicle. Yeah, look at that. It's a tough testicle. Look at that. So, Austin, a big shout. I mean, I appreciate that.

Thank you, man. Thanks, Austin. The 26 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig, after night one on Thursday.

Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio app. Open the app, search NFL Daily, and listen now.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program.

I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That'll do her.

Good. How about that, Arkansas land? How about that? That's a laugh. Man, that sucked. I was really hoping for more, but I can't. We made it sweet 16. Sorry, dude.

Now, you know, it's okay. I don't expect to even make it to Sweet 16 this year because next year I'm feeling pretty good about it. Okay. All right, we're covered either way. We'll leave them both in. We're covered either way. But thank you guys for listening.

Thanks again to Sarah Spain for coming on. On Monday, the new Florida State basketball coach will be on with us. Oh, yeah, very cool. Which is going to be super cool because he played a Florida State. You can tell him about that store that you like at Florida State? Dude, people make fun of me about that gas station. That convenience store? You get like, well, there's no clerk?

What is it? Yeah, you just put the thing on the stand and it rings it up and tells you the price and then you just pay and walk out. You love that place. One of my favorite I mentioned. It's like, of all time, like steamboat, printing press. Internet, bread.

Yeah. It's got the list. And then the thing at the store that you just lay it at the gas. And his name is spelled L-O-U-C-K-S, but it's Lox, right? Lox. It is Lauks. Lox. I've only ever seen it written.

I know he played there, but it's Lauks. Lox. Luke Lox. Yeah, Luke Lox will be on with us on Monday. So hope you have a great weekend. Thank you guys for listening. Eddie hit the whistle and we're out of here. All right. See you guys. Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on social at Brandon Ray Music. You can follow the show on Instagram at Bobby Bones Sports. Thanks to our crew. Co-host at Producer Eddie. Segment producer at Kickoff Kevin. Video producer at Reed Yarberry,

and executive producer at Mike DeStro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 whistles. The 2026 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Rodriguez after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down

over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft. which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free iHeart Radio app. Open the app, search NFL Daily, and listen now. Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty. that none of us likes.

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