The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: The Celtics Go Down in Flames + Logan Ryan In Studio & Talks About Meeting Tom Brady for the First Time, His Crazy Recruiting Story and being a rookie in the NFL + MJ or Pippen: By the Numbers

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

After knocking on the door of completing NBA history by being the first team to come back down 0-3 in a series, the Celtics get blown out at home in game 7, and Kickoff Kevin is sad. NFL defensive back Logan Ryan is in the studio to talk about his first time meeting Tom Brady after being drafted by the Patriots, how he went from a 3 to a 4-star recruit overnight, the things he had to do as an NFL rookie, and much more! Plus, with Scottie Pippen calling out Michael Jordan this past weekend, Bobby lays down some numbers to decide if he was a major factor in Jordan's success.    Follow the Show: @25Whistles   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberrySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Let's get the show started. All right. Coming up below later on, NFL cornerback, safety, defensive back. Logan Ryan, pretty cool. came to the studio sat for almost an hour, where we talked about high school recruiting,

his dad making a play offensive line back in the early days just so he knew what it was like, getting drafted by Bill Belichick, the Super Bowl rings, getting Tom Brady to sign something, all that coming up in a little bit. You can follow Logan on Twitter at Real Logan Ryan. I don't want to pass off that too quickly. We'll come back to it, but we've got to get right to it. Kevin? Let's do this. Before we get sad, I want to get happy. being a Celtics fan, game six, taug me through it because, wow, what up, then a down, then up.

Yeah, it's been a while since I felt like that as a fan. And it went from the ultimate low to the ultimate high in a matter of what, 0.2, 0.4 seconds. And I haven't, I mean, I was talking about it a couple days ago that it compares to the whole Malcolm Butler, not necessarily because Butler actually won the Super Bowl, so that's different, but from being, dang, we're going to lose this.

Our season's over. Like Marchant's for sure, go score touchdown here. Yeah, this is it. You know, the Falcons being up 25 a half, man, we're going to lose this game. But, I mean, snap of a finger. Everything changes, and you're freaking out, and you're jumping up and down, and you're screaming, and you're enjoying it. But then you've got to remind yourself the next day, you're like, dang, we've got to win another one. Whenever they watch back on the Jumbo Tron, because both teams were watching it right after it happened, and you see that the ball was out of his hands with 0.1 seconds left.

And the Celtics went crazy. That was an awesome thing to see. Yeah. Like, oh! So cool. It was amazing. It was so cool. And you know what?

They're for sure going to win game seven because game seven's back in Boston. And then when I start to read things like Miami, they didn't even book a flight back to Miami after the game. They booked a flight to Denver. They didn't even book a flight back to Florida. No, no, no. They've already booked a flight after game seven

to go to Denver to get ready for the Nuggets in Boston. Game seven. You got to feel good before the game starts at least, right? Absolutely. Hey. Yeah, better. But I will say, like, I wasn't totally confident yet. They're an eight-point favorite.

I know. That's how it was all serious, except for one game, though. You're an eight-point favorite. So it starts, and Tatum goes down. First play. And that set the tone for them. Not saying that's why they lost. Obviously, they still should have won.

Jason Brown is a whole different subject. But, yeah, first play, kind of set the tone. And you could tell it kind of deflated their team a little bit, a little energy. the crowd was still into it. Tatum also had you know 14 points 11 rebounds 11 rebounds was big

because he did have to change what he was listen you want him scoring you want him being that guy he wasn't able to be that guy but he did turn into a guy that was playing a bit of a different game but you just need to Brown

you just need some of those other guys to step up scoring wise do you feel like that was like that was it that when Browns your leading score yeah and our offense was just so stagnant it's just we're just sitting around their jazz

Jacking up three. Jaylen Brown would come down, dribble the ball three times, and jack up a three from 35 feet out. There's no movement. They ran some zone that gave him trouble, but it's like start penetrating the zone, getting in there a little bit, then kick it out maybe and try to jack up a three.

But I think they shot, what, 20% from threes? It was awful. Well, Spolstra, he will throw a zone on you for like three possessions, and right when you're starting to go, okay, boom, he's back in, man. Like, he switches defense is quick. I was trying to think about Eric Spolstra, where it's just kind of his story of he went overseas,

to work on some basketball team and like, I don't remember the country, what was called Algeria, but wanted to get back in here at the States and so, you know, the old story about him going to the tape room in Miami. That's what he did. They wanted to build up,

but so that's what he did. He sort of logging tapes, quickly moved his way up. Freaking Pat Riley retired. Spolster was like 11. He gets the head coaching job. Yeah. I remember when he got that job too.

I was like, it's basically LeBron's team. He doesn't have to do much. And I didn't feel the same way. I didn't think he was any good. I was like, he's probably whatever. And then here we are a decade later. I'm like, okay, yeah, he's pretty dang good.

Yeah, Tatum, 42 minutes, 14 points, 11 rebounds, four assists, Brown, 43 minutes, 19 points, 8, rebounds, five assists. I mean, Tatum still played basically the whole game. Yeah, and Jaylon, I think, had seven turnovers. Not good. Really? Yeah, no, he can't even dribble the ball. Derek White, 36 minutes, 18 points, he wrote from last game.

The key stats from the heat, Butler, 28.7 rebounds, six assists, three steals. But I tell you, Caleb Martin. I never seen him play like that before. I mean, he just took over third quarter, first half of the fourth quarter. He took it over until no one needed to take it over anymore.

They just needed to play even. Yeah, he was amazing. I got on Draft Kings and I was like, you know what? Because the Celtics were down about eight. I said, let me go look at the line because I feel like the Celtics going to make this close.

And so I thought, if it's not too much, it was the heat minus four and a half. And I was like, no way I'm touching that. No way I'm going to bet that because I don't think the heat win the game by four points. if they do it, it would be one or two.

So I stayed off of it, like an idiot, of course. So I pick wrong all the time when it comes to NBA. I don't even remember the final score. I just remember at one point. It was 20 points. Yeah. I think it was 19. I turned it off.

You did? Oh, yeah. Three minutes left, they were done by 20. I was like, yep, I'm done. Well, if I would have done that, I would have turned it off, but I'd check on my phone again. Oh, I did that. Just to make sure I wasn't missing a great comeback.

But then do you turn it back on if they do come back? Oh, yeah. Okay. I sure do. Okay. Yeah. Martin had 26 points, 10 rebounds, three assists. Ban played 43 minutes, 12 points, 10 rebound, seven assists.

I'm sorry, man. Yeah. I didn't think that if it went seven and back to Boston, that Miami would win. Yeah, I don't think anybody did. They tried to hand Jimmy Butler the trophy for the Eastern Conference. Is that the Bird Trophy or is the other one the Larry Bird Trophy? Yeah, it's the Bird one. The Bird's, yeah, Eastern.

And he was like, I don't want to touch it. I'll touch the later one if we get it. Yeah. you think Caleb Martin should have won it? The MVP? Nah. No? He was so good all serious. He was, but he was so good in that, yes, he was really good.

But that nobody expected him to be good, so he seemed even better. Yeah, good point. And, you know, Butler consistently was really good. It had to be Jimmy Butler. And that they kept showing the club of last year when he missed the 3th end of the game. And he's like, I'll paraphrase.

All right, we'll be bigger and better next year. Same spot, we're going to do it. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And the heroics of Jimmy Butler may be lost if they don't win the title. If they win the title, Jimmy Butler has elevated himself inside the consciousness of even middle NBA fans. If you're just a casual NBA fan, you're just starting to learn who Jimmy Butler is. If you're a diehard, you've known.

But if he wins the title, Like he goes up there to people who don't even follow basketball that much will start to know who Jimmy Butler is. But it's like Yokic too, right? I think there are a lot of people that are discovering how good he is now. Yeah. Even after he won two MVP's because Differences doesn't get on. If I don't have basketball Sunday ticket, I wouldn't be able to watch his games for the most part. Yeah, I think even me as a basketball fan, I've watched more Yokage than the playoffs and have probably in the last three years.

And again, unless you had the package, the NBA, what's it called? League pass. Thank you. God dang. And I watched probably most of his games this season, not most, but most of the games that I watched from him were whenever the Embed V. Yokic, Ray's was heating up,

and it was Yokic was the leader for the MVP, and people were fighting for Embed, and so I was like, let me just watch more Yokage. I was just like, this is crazy. Like he's just toying. Like a cat toying with Mice,

whatever way he wanted to. Yeah. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry the Celtics didn't win for you. I was rooting for him for you. I know. appreciate that. Thank you. There is something to say for you though and the death of your Celtics again is that you don't really know a lot of defeat and you still don't. You lost game

seven to these conference finals. I don't feel sorry for you. Just turn this crap off. I don't feel sorry for you. You have teams that win all the time. So screw it. I don't feel sorry for you. But your losses are almost winning the championships. My losses are finishing next to last in the SEC West or winning 70 games out of 162 as a Cubs fan or so I ain't doing it you've won plenty of titles with Patriots the Celtics have been awesome in your lifetime the obviously the you're a Bruins fan right yeah not a huge one but yeah yeah a fan enough yeah I mean the Red Sox yeah reds don't you get me started on the red Sox I know I know now it's on the baseball you know what I'm glad you lost now that I think about it

Right. Well, we hit that first. Let's go to the tittle-tattle. Well, last night wasn't one of them, but what is your most memorable game seven of any sport? Ooh, that's a good question. Now, I mentioned the Cubs earlier. I went to game two of this World Series. I believe it was 2016, and went to game two or three. All I know is we got crushed. The Cubs had been one in World Series since 1908. and it was such a friendly yet uncomfortably packed environment. It was awesome. We got what by the Indians?

Game two, game three, game four, game five, game six, right? We're going to game seven, baby. And I'm like, oh my God, it's the same night as the CMAs. And it was the first or second time they had ever asked me to come on the show and present on the CMAs. So you're talking about, I'd only been in Nashville for a couple of years, 2016, right? Yeah. And now they're invited me to come be a presenter on the CMAs. and I didn't do it

because I wanted to stay home and watch Game 7. Love it. A team that I just spent hours and hours and days and days and years and years following religiously

and they won the World Series. It was awesome. And if I remember correctly, it was the one that was delayed. Because it rained. It kept getting delayed and that could have been game 6. Things are fuzzy at this point.

But I almost felt like that was game 7. And I passed up an opportunity to present on network television for the first time. a really big, cool thing to watch the Cubs win game seven, and it was freaking fantastic. What are you seeing over there? Proceeded to the 10th inning.

Okay. 17-minute rain delay. Yeah. And actually... Oh, that's right. Yeah. And yes. It's awesome.

That's my answer. Okay. That was good. You know, that's only one I'm going to go with. I'm good on that one. Next question. Okay. Next one is where does Derek White's,

well, now it's not as big because they lost, but where does his shop rank? Oh, that's true. Do you know how much of a hero he would have been had they won the title this year. I didn't think about that. He also lost out on a lot. Not just the series,

but if they'd won the title, that putback would have made him like Boston royalty. Yeah, like the Larry Bird stealing the ball and giving it to Havelacek, I believe. Yeah, I know the play. I don't know who he gave it to.

Right, I don't know either. I don't know if it was Havichick. I don't think Halifchek's black and white time, but I don't want to say it because you're a Boston fan. I think Hablice is like Wizard of Oz, first part of Wizard of Oz. black and white. Can we cut this out? So the question is game winning shots.

The Kauai shot, like 7 and 6ers, that was the Eastern Conference Finals. From the corner, like the top, like almost the corner, that was a crazy shot. And I remember just watching the people in Toronto who are watching it on that screen outside of the arena. It just erupting. That was a pretty good last second shot. I mean, you can go Michael Jordan. game six versus the jazz, which by the way, I was in Utah, and we went by the arena there.

My friend, who's one of the coaches of Utah softball team, he was like, there it is, the arena, Jordan got sick, flu game. Oh, really? Oh, this past weekend? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that was one, too. So I'll put, I still put Kauai. That, there's just an, I mean, the poster of that shot wasn't even him shooting.

It was him on the ground. He's like squatting. He's like down, yeah. Yeah, he's crazy. All right, next one. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what you're saying.

Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Referee Eric Lewis of the NBA is under investigation for potentially having a burner account on Twitter. So I want to know what's your opinion on burner accounts. Have you ever had one? Well, this story is not as controversial as you think it would be. Referees are not allowed to be on social media as themselves, obviously. There are some rules against it. He's not giving away secrets. He literally was defending himself and defending other referees and posting stats to go, you're an idiot. This is what's really happening. If he's breaking the rule, he's, he's, He's breaking the rule and he should be punished or fined or whatever the rule is.

However, it's not like he's letting people know any sort of secret or tipping games or being affected that's affecting his job as a referee. I didn't see any of that. Did you? No. No. It was all, yeah, no. Now, the difference is, and Calangelo, when he was running the 76ers and he was talking crap about the team. And he's talking about crap about Embed.

And he's talking about from Twitter, from burner accounts. Like, he's the general manager talking crap about players. That's different. So, me having a burner account, yes, but I can never remember the login. I'm going to be honest with you. I can never remember the logins. And I've set up a couple, and I'm so afraid of Kevin Durant and myself, where he thinks he's on a burner account and he's not, and he's on his own.

And he's like, oh, crap. And then by the time you delete it, someone's already screenshoted it. So, not a big burner account guy. It would like to be. would love it would love to just be firing shots of people i just i'm so in my head about posting and it's under my name and now my burner account's name so no i don't do it i would like to do more of it i'm interested in growing in that part of my life but i'm not that learn it more all right go ahead all right last one we saw a major comeback with boston being down

oh three forcing in game seven what's the hardest thing you've ever had to overcome professionally good question probably the million dollar fine by the fcc the fcc you won't let me be so let me be me on the pity. That's a tough one. No, that's not going to be the toughest. I didn't get suspended for that one. That was one where we kept doing the show and we were just waiting for the fine.

Then when the fine came down, the million bucks, I just kind of looked at my email. Okay, I'm still doing the show. I'll just keep going. Probably when lunchbox went and robbed the store. He didn't rob the store. I sent him to buy some gum.

with panty hose on his head a stupid bit. I'm not acting like it was a good bit. We were like 14th place too, by the way. And he goes and he does the thing and they held him a gunpoint. They put him in jail. They tried to arrest me.

Then they were like, well, we can't really arrest you. You didn't do anything. And I'm like, I know. Then they suspend all of us for like two and a half weeks. I think I'm done. I'm an idiot kid who, I was 23, probably. I was like in magazines like, hot shot.

like phenom, radio personality, does all, boom, suspended. I was like, man, nobody gives a crap about that phenom stuff. If I'm fired, I may never be in this. Came back on the air, apologized, went to number one, never looked back for 10 years. Like, it was hard, that was hard for that two and a half

weeks really hard to get back. So that was a really hard one to kind of get my feet back underneath me and feel confident and secure in my job. but man, once we had number one, it was on. We'd never look back. And the other thing was probably not knowing how to dance on Dancing with the Stars, having no clue at all, ever, ever, even until the end. So overcome, it was week to week overcoming how this week I was going to find a way

to win just this week. And not when it be the best, but just survive. Yeah. Just survive. Just keep surviving. Just keep surviving. And then, all right, we made of the finals. Let's freaking go. So that was a tough one, too. But I'm sorry.

I'm sorry your team lost, man. Gosh, I almost forgot for a second. I'm sorry, your team lost. Hey, let me say this, by the way. So these go up on the Bobby Voneshow page as well. This will be the last time we put it up on the Bobby Vones show page for a while, I do believe. So go follow us on the 25 whistles feed.

We do put most of them. We have put most of them up, and a lot of our listening is to people who want to hear this, and so they wait for it to pop up on the Bobby Vones show page. If you're on that feed, go subscribe 25 whistles, because if we do them,

when we do them, they will not pop up on this feed, at least not for a while, for months probably. so go check it out 25 whistles follow on that feed thank you very much that's the tittle title

all right interview time two time super bowl champion Logan Ryan he came to the studio got to sit down a person talking about his life

and his career going from a three star to a four star recruit what a freaking story yeah wow your life changes like that and you really didn't do anything

he was like just like that playing quarterback in high school but only get him crewed as an athlete, picking off Tom Brady's final pass as a Patriot. It's great. Listen to it. I don't want to waste your time, so we'll get to it.

You can follow Logan on Instagram at Logan Ryan. Here he is. Logan Ryan. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Logan, where do you live? Like what town? I live currently in Tampa, Florida. So what's up in Nashville? Like we're lucky to have, first of all, super pumped you here.

Yeah. But like, what's here? You're here. Yeah, that's true. I can agree with that. Yeah. You know, I was hosting good morning football last week and had a lot of fun doing that

and got some good feedback and my publicist was kind of working the phones a little bit. And opportunity to come on your podcast, which was awesome. And I used to live here. So I lived here for three, four years. My content guys out here. I got a lot of friends on the Titans.

So I'm here knocking out some media. hosted with Jonathan Hutton last, yesterday on Outkick. So I'm doing some more media while my name is hot and hanging out with you. Is that the goal? You probably want to, you're a free agent. Yeah. Are you waiting for the call or you're like, screw the call. I'm doing media because it's awesome.

Either or, you know, I'm still training six days a week, but I'm taking advantage of the opportunities. And I've always, you know, when I was with Tennessee Titans, I hosted a Logan Ryan show where I hosted a radio show for two, three years. I hosted a show in New York, hosted the NFL player podcast. I've always been like the speech before the locker room guy. were you always that guy in high school too? Yeah, I was a quarterback growing up up my life. I was a point guard. I was a quarterback. I was a pitcher.

So I always had the ball in my hands. I was always the guy to inspire. I know how a lot of guys say, oh, you know, I kind of lead by my actions. I do both. Yeah, I felt that. Yeah, I lead by my words too. At what age did you start to be? Because, let's see, like in ninth grade, I'm not the athlete you are. I'm not comparing that, but I'm just going to tell you my story. in ninth grade, I got to move up and play with the senior high team, 10th, 11th, 12th graders. But I didn't say anything because I'm the freaking ninth grader, and I didn't play as a ninth grader. Yeah.

When did you start playing and when could you actually be a vocal leader in high school? Because I'm imagining that you were far more athletic than the other kids your age. Yeah, so when I got to high school, I started varsity basketball as a freshman. But I was on the freshman football team. So I led my little freshman teammates on the freshman games, but I wasn't on varsity. And in basketball, I kind of. kind of was the point guard, but I mean, these kids, my brother was four years old. My brother was a senior and I was a freshman.

And I was playing with his friends and I felt really little compared to them. Like I was like, I didn't have a voice. I just ran the place. You were playing as like a 14 year old, 14 years old with 18 year olds? Yeah. Were you as good as some of them? I was definitely good enough to be on the court for sure. I wasn't the best player at 14 on our team.

Yeah. I knew that. But by, you know, my sophomore junior year, yeah. definitely. So I kind of grew into it. I would say once that ball got on my hands and I realized what we needed to win, then I wasn't afraid to step up and demand that because I always wanted, you know, to win more than anything else. I was watching the Redeemed team on Netflix. I don't if you've seen it yet. It's about, it's been out for about a year, but, you know, the U.S. Olympic basketball team got a bronze and they were embarrassed and they had to somehow get a new

coach, get the players to commit in. To a lot of those guys, I would get that being 22 and rich and you just got and now they want you to go train for months and I would get why some of them wouldn't want to do that. I watched it. Wasn't it awesome? Yeah, man, I got a Kobe tattoo on me. They had to bring Kobe in. You know, they had to bring Kobe in it to really win that.

And that was my point about leadership. And I always understood and respect to Kobe because in my mind he's probably the third greatest player of all time, top three for sure. And the fact that the guys were like, we were in Vegas. We went to the club. We did what we put. And Kobe's there. Gloves on.

going to the gym when they're coming in. 4 a.m. And all those guys slowly started to do what Kobe was doing because he was doing it and he was that leader. Yeah. So you say you were vocal and by example. Were you like first one in, last one out type guy? Yeah, I kind of picked up that because I was never,

I was always like one of the best athletes, but there was always like a more physical freak on the team. Like I wasn't like raw out of bed better than everybody. I was like more skilled because I worked on it. And I remember my mom would pick me up in high school every day after work. My mom worked at 9 to 5 to 4.30 and she would pick me up at like 5 o'clock, 5 p.m. And we would get out of high school at like 2.2.30. So in football season, I obviously had practice and my mom would pick me up.

But out of football or basketball season in the spring, I had two and a half hours to kill. You know, I wasn't taking the bus home. So I was just literally every day, Monday through Friday, in the wait room, five days. a week, lifting for an hour or two, going out to the field, doing just drills that I made up, and then eventually more people came out there. And I'll put a ladder drills down to a drill to drills. And I was like pretty much- Were you running the drills? Yeah. So I was pretty much coming up with drills that I would see on, I mean, shoot, I don't even know if YouTube was out back then, but whatever. I was just finding drills and doing them and doing this. And that was kind of

leadership, right? Like I'm doing these off-season workouts, but I just was like waiting for my mom to pick me up. Did you have a good relationship with the coaches? because it sounds like you love the game, games, we can say games, and you also weren't afraid to put work in. Were you the guy that they would lean on high school and college to go, all right, you got to be the voice to those guys, be my voice to them? Right. Yeah, I think so, especially playing the quarterback position and stuff.

I just think there's certain positions in sports where you expect the leader there, and I kind of was that. So I think it happened naturally mainly because of the position I played, but I do remember, like, my junior, sophomore junior year when I kind of was stepping in the role as varsity quarterback and stuff. I was not great at pregame speeches. Like I didn't want to talk. I felt like a senior should talk before the game.

Like I was silent and I would always get really nervous before a game. Still do. Like I always get like a little bit nervous and tense. And I just was really, really quiet. And I feel like that developed more in the NFL and college of having the, you know, taking public speaking classes and whatnot, just having the confidence to go up in front of a room of 100 people and motivate them without feeling like, you know, a clown or say, something dumb or mess it up, you know, or be laughed at. And I just think that came in older, like giving actual the speech. Um, but actually just on the field, yeah, when I'm playing in

between the lines, yeah, the leadership always came out. Were you super educated on what was happening every game, put the time in the film room always? Was that a priority? Or did you have to learn how to do that later? I learned how to, I learned how to do that later, but growing up, my dad coached me when I was little, uh, maybe up until, I don't know, 10, 11 years old. and every year, like I said, I played offense and I played defense, so I didn't come off the field. And I swear every year he made me change positions. He's like, all right, well, last year, a receiver, this year you're going to play running back. Oh, to learn?

Yeah, and then this year we're going to do this. And then we had a really good team in like eighth grade. And we went in Little League, we went like unscored upon. Like, we beat everybody 35 to nothing and didn't give up a point the entire season. And on that team, we had like three NFL players and like six Division I wrestlers out of like 11 starters. Like nine of us went to college for sports. So it was a really good team. But in the second half, my dad would make all the skill players play O'Line

and give the O'Lyman the ball so that we would block for them. You know? And I just felt like, why are we doing this? You know, but like I love my O'Liman. You know, I always treat them well. And I understood what it was like to block. I played tight end. I played receiver.

I played running back. I played quarterback. I played corner. I played safety. And really in the NFL really helped my versatility because I had. I learned the game from so many different angles. And even when I play defense in the NFL, I think from like a reverse quarterback perspective. Like, okay, what is he reading?

He's probably going to throw this because I'm showing him that. It's like your reverse engineering. Yeah. What exactly you think is about to happen? Yeah. Dang. So when you're in high school, you play quarterback, did you, were you recruited as a quarterback? So that was back before they wanted like, you know, six foot black quarterbacks running around the NFL.

Like, that's not the, this is the norm now? Did you feel like because you were a six foot black quarterback that was actually held against you? Well, there's. going to recruit you as an athlete. So what happens is, like everybody, like, I would say half of, you know, college football players probably played quarterback when they were growing up because they're the best player and they want the ball in their hands. But back then, they were like, you're going to be a receiver or you're going to be a corner or you're going to be a safety. So I knew, like, looking ahead, like, yeah, I'm probably going to end up being a corner.

And I played corner as well. And I was ranked pretty high in New Jersey for it. So I kind of knew already what it was. But they did, you just didn't have the opportunities, division one, be like, oh, you're 5-11 and a half and, you know, you're a great athlete. We're going to make you play a different position. Like quarterback is for these type of guys, six foot four, white, 225-pound guy. You know, but now the NFL, as you see, has caught up. And Bryce Young. Yeah, Bryce Young is 5-9.

Kyle Murray's 5-9. No, these dudes, I remember hosting the draft in Nashville when they had the draft in Nashville a couple years ago. And I was actually working in media. And I was on the red carpet hosting. these guys. And I'm like, Quinn and Williams lift the mic up. And DJ, uh, D.K. Metcalf lift the mic way up. And like, Kyler Murray put the mic like, I'm like, this guy is little. I mean, little hands, little arms. But he's special in his skill set. And he had to operate.

They never made him switch positions. But a lot of, a lot of us, they, they're like, yeah, I don't know if you're going to go division one and play. What, what were you recruit? I was a four star recruit. And what is life like as a four star recruit? It's got to be pretty good. I mean, it was, I mean, I thought, I mean, I thought, So I was really a three-star coming out for most of it. And then I think the ranking guy, rivals ranking guy, come to check out one of my games in my senior year. And I was already committed to Rutgers.

So I, like, had 25 scholarships. As an athlete or safety or at the time, were you going to Rutgers to do what, though? I was going to Rutgers to play corner. Okay. I was a number one corner to stay in New Jersey. And I was like one of the better quarterbacks, but I was the number one at that position.

Got it. And I was a three-star, committed to Rutgers verbally and all. all that stuff. And then we play, we play opening game and he comes to see our game play. And I got a pick six like on the first possession of the game. And literally reverse engineering, the coach told me if you see the quarterback rollout, you know, it's going to be a hitch, a route in front you and a route behind you, just bait the route behind you. And every time they roll out, they run the same play. So the first play the game, I see the rollout. I see the route behind me. I act like I'm going to go get the route behind me. And I just bait him. He throws a route in front

of me, 80 yard pick six to start my senior year. And that night I got a four star. Boom. Just pops up. Bing, four star. So what happens? Notre Dame calls me. Miami calls me.

Penn State calls me. From that one, Bing, that one star coming up. Oh, now he's this level recruit. And they're like, oh,

you don't want to go to Rutgers. Come here. Come there. Come there. It's crazy that it wasn't some tape, that it wasn't like a library of tape on you that changed their mind. It was literally a recruiting service.

One guy who saw one game. Yeah. And new colleges come. It's lazy. Recruiting is lazy. What happens is. a lot of states, out of state teams. Like Alabama is not going to come to New Jersey

unless one, you're offered by your New Jersey school. So they're going to let Ruckers do the work. Once Ruckers does the work, all the other Biggie schools at the time, right? It was West Virginia. It was whatever. So like, okay, this guy, obviously Ruckers identified them. So now your conference is going to start recruiting you

and they start offering you. And then once your whole conference offers you and then you get that fourth star, then you become a national recruit. Now coaches are jetting to your field, your high school and landing on the, the thing and trying to, and that's why you see guys flip recruitment so, I mean, now they're getting paid, but they flip recruitment so much because one thing changed.

Who came that was cool? I would say Greg Shiano, when Rutgers recruited me, they put out all the stops. He landed a helicopter on a local hospital, and so he flew a helicopter in to see me. I think Iowa was super dope. Michigan State was cool. But Rutgers, I mean, they sent people to my grandmother's funeral. grandmother passed away. They had people at the funeral. They had a Bible in front of my mom. They went a whole different angle at my dad. I mean, they were pulling every stop, like, to get me to

stay. I feel like if I was on a jury or if I was being recruited, I just flip every, all the time. I'd be like, oh, that's great. I'm here. Oh, that's great. Guilty. Oh, no, not guilty. Michigan State, I feel like I'll be doing that like crazy. Because I'm sure everybody's giving you their best effort. They're showing you that, like, you know, Chris Rock talks about dating somebody new and he's like, you know, you ain't really meet me. You meet my representative when you, you know, It's the early version, but it's the best version of the school in every way. Like, aren't they all just awesome when you do that? They, they, like, really recruit your parents.

I came from a two-parent background, super solid. My dad was a cop. My mom worked, like I said, a 9-5. So they really had my parents unlock. But looking back at it, I'm like, man, I should have took that official visit to Hawaii. That's a great flight, great trip. Should have went out there? Maybe I should check that UNLV?

That would have been a fun little Vegas trip. What do you do on an official visit? Like, you land. Yeah. Just a brief description. I have no idea. land, then what happens? Who's there? What's the daylight? So you land. You'll be red carpeted, black car, picked up, go to the school. All the coaches will be there, excited balloons, catered food.

And then New York, Rutgers's whole pitch was, we're going to send you to New York. So you take the train in New York. They rent it out like a Dave and Busters and, like, Times Square. So you're in Times Square. You're like, got to rent it out Dave and Busters. You're playing games. They're talking like, yeah, you're going to, like, we have these McCordy twins and they're all right, but you're going to come in and you're going to play over them and like all this. But I knew they were on their way out and I was going to fill in the next shoes, but they're like, yeah, they're okay. But Jason McCordy, this guy, I mean, he can't even get interception. Look at me. You had six interceptions last year.

We need you, right? So they tell you what you want to hear. And then we got back on the train to Rutgers and the coaches leave and then you're paired with a player. So I didn't have the McCordy twins. I had a kid that was actually on my little league team that I told you about. that we went undefeated or whatever. So I knew him since we were a kid, so he kind of hosted me, and that's your host.

Which is probably why they gave you him, right? Right, because we knew each other. So then I got one of my best friends already there, and he's like, whatever. And then they gave your host like $100. And he's supposed to take you to a party and take you. And he was like, look, man, I'm keeping 50 of these bucks. Like, you got 50.

You know, so. And then, you know, they try to show you girls and try to give you a good night. And then, but the worst part is when you're, when you're a host you have practice the next day. I'm like, I'm not partying with this freaking 16 year old kid, all night.

I got to wake up at 7 a.m. and run sprints. Like, I kept that 100 bucks. Well, I bet some people do though. I bet they go hard and then go to, I mean, it's just so... Oh, yeah, when you're younger, you can do it.

Yeah. So you, when you get to Rutgers, is the speed of the game so much different going high school to college or college to the pros? When does it adjust so much that you're like, okay, hold on. Let me get it straight.

I think the speed of the speed. of the game, because everyone comes from different high school. You come from some country school where, I mean, you got, you know, eight on eight football, whatever, in the middle of Nevada or something. But I think the speed of the game is a bigger difference. I think the coaching was a bigger difference for me because Greg Shiano was such a tough coach for me. And I wasn't used to getting yelled at or just like negativity shouting my way or getting cussed at.

Like I wasn't used to. I'm like, whoa, this is kind of a hard environment for me to thrive in. So I think that was the biggest shock for me, the speed and just the, the, the, the, the coaching because as soon as you commit and day one practice starts all that recruiting's out the window like military like now I own you and it really felt like military i feel like a military academy it was that strict and discipline at ruckers with him and um you know well then i went to the NFL I came from that academy mindset so like the discipline was there no one could do anything i haven't done already like i've been through tougher workout so now now it's all about execution and it's just skill like

we need you here it's your job to do it and you's way more it's way more it's way more efficient. The first time you go to a college practice and it's actually full pads, what does that feel like? Oh, my. I have so many stories, man. The first college practice, so practice is, is based on what they call periods and they blow the whistle and a period's five minutes. So a practice could be, I don't want to say, and get butchered on math, but a practice can be 20 periods, you do the math, or 15 periods, or 12 or 24, whatever, two-hour practice, whatever. Our first practice was 36 periods. It was like over three hours. It was in the middle of July in New Jersey. It was really hot and humid on the field. I had brand new cleats when I was getting

blisters. They made everyone tape your ankles, mandatory have to tape. I never taped my ankles before. So my ankles were stiff. My cleats hurt. And then Shiano had a rule. You weren't allowed to take your helmet off at any point in the practice. So I couldn't even take my helmet off to get water. So I had to like get water through my helmet. And I just was so just equipment uncomfortable. not used to practicing that long. It just was all, like, all the little things, I guess, that you're just supposed to ignore. Like, I don't even bother me now.

They all bothered me so much, like, at first. It was a huge adjustment. When you're 18, you're hitting 22, 23-year-old dudes, I assume that's physically a lot more taxing on you than 17, hidden 18, you know, high school. Like, it's young, it's an older kid versus men. Yeah, yeah. Now, it's a big jump.

It's hard. You see guys that come to college true freshman and dominate, like, that's tough because of the physical aspect. Like, these guys, in college, you're lifting and running your butt off. Like, you are working. They're working. They had nothing else to do. They're owning you. They work you.

So I came in 175 pounds. I redshirted. So I was the number one corner in the state, a four star going to Rutgers. That wasn't a greatest school in that recruited me. So I'm supposed to come in and be a savior type of thing, replaced the McCordy twins, and I redshirted. Like, I got crushed by all expectation, pressure. And I came in 175 pounds.

And I was 1905 pounds. in less than a year. I put on 20 pounds of muscle. I couldn't even dunk a basketball anymore. Because you had put on so much muscle. So much weight. I wasn't used to carrying that weight. I'm 194 pounds at 32 years old.

So in the last, whatever, 14, 15 years, I didn't gain one pound. Right? I just, but I put on 20 pounds in one year of muscle. I'm squatting 450 pounds. I'm power cleaning over 300 pounds. And that's what they want. Oh, they were lifting.

Yeah. And are your feelings, sir? Do you have to red shirt? When do they tell you that? Or is it something that happens in game three when you haven't played at all? So I kind of like, I had like a little back injury

and just had a rough start to it. And it kind of was like, hey, you're either going to play special teams this year or we can redshirt you. So I was like, yeah, I'm not going to waste a year just playing special teams. So I redshirted. But he, Chiano used to redshirt like the entire classes

because he wanted older teams. So I think out of our true freshman class, we had 25 commits, 25 guys on full rides, not counting walk-ons. I would say he probably played four or five guys, 20 of us redshirted. He just wanted to backload the whole roster like that, right?

So now a senior class or fifth year seniors that are 22, 23 years old. So that just was like, if you weren't super phenomenal right away, he was, you're going to redshirt. What years do you leave college? So I actually left as a redshirt junior, so I left early.

I got it together and I took off. So you're redshirt year than your two years? I redshirted. I had a redshirt freshman. sophomore than I left after, I almost left after a red shirt sophomore year, but I left after my red shirt junior. Got it. It was my fourth year.

So you go and you, I was reading some of your, because it still exists, the draft stuff or like, this is his peak. This is what we think his ceiling is. Did you read that stuff back then, too? I don't, I mean, I don't know what they wrote about me, but I probably could tell you what it was, but, yeah, so. I mean, so they would, they do compare a certain player compare, they're like at his ceiling, Not quite Palamalu, but, you know, and they're doing...

So who did they compare you to in college just when you would talk to folks and they'd be like, oh, we could to kind of see you being this type of player in the NFL? So I don't know if there was an exact, like, sealing comp that I knew in the NFL at the moment. But my biggest thing is, like, I was super smart and tough and productive. Like, I had some of the most productive stats. Like, I was second in Biggie's history in past breakups. I had of Devin McCordy behind O'Reevis. by like a couple.

And do you think that's because of your athletic ability or because your instincts, instincts and studying was so good? 100% instincts and studying. Once I figured out the game, I would say half the time now in the NFL, I play plays over players. Like I don't care, like,

Julio's one of my good friends. I had to cover Julio on a Super Bowl. I don't care it's Julio. Julio only runs, like can only run 10 routes. And once I figure out what they are, it can only be three. So I'm going to play these three routes, right,

based on situation and all that. So I'm paying the plays. So at the end of the day, the quarterback's got to throw it to a spot. If I could figure out that spot before you figure out this, or, you know, because I don't know where you're going.

I got to do some math. So I always say I'm just playing high, high stakes blackjack out there. Being such a cerebral guy, because again, that's the story on you too, is that you were able to almost predict chest moves before the chess move happened.

You ever think about coaching? Yeah, you know, I get asked that a lot because I definitely have, I have a memory where I almost remember every game I play in, and the plays. And then I think I do a decent job of explaining it to the everyday person. So that's why media is good in coaching.

I just don't like how many hours these coaches work. It's very hard for a coach to have a balance with any family life. Like they're home at midnight all year round. I mean, it's a crazy profession that doesn't have any balance, work-life balance. So right now, not attractive to you. Would you go coach college or NFL if you had to? I would coach NFL over college because I don't want to recruit. You're on the road and you're off time at a 17-year-old's high school telling him he's going to be better than Devin McCordie.

You know, it's just like, I don't feel like doing that. I'm too real with kids. I'm like, look, you're not good, but we'll take you. We'll probably make you good, but you're not, you know, you got to earn everything here. You're deciding to go and you're going to leave Rutgers. You're going to go to the NFL and they kind of have you pegged as, you know, late second, third round pick. And do you kind of have an idea of what team will take you in that race? Is it like four or five teams?

Or does everybody just act like they like you until they got to make that decision? Yeah. So I leave, I leave Rutgers. I get a second, they give you a draft grade if you want to leave early. They gave me a second round draft grade. So it's all going to be dependent on my combine.

But I wasn't a combine freak. Who gave you that grade, by the way? I don't know. Where do you get the official grade? I don't know. You submitted to some dudes who are sitting in a room and say you were going to the second round.

But I think they have to protect you because they want to keep kids in school. So they give you a lower grade because they don't want kids coming out, right? They don't want to say, you're going to go in the first round if you come out and then you slide to the sixth round. And I really pissed. So they gave me a second round grade based on production. That's like at worst I'm going in the second round. That's good money. So Rutgers is like, no, don't go. You'll be a first round of next year. I'm like, I'm going. I go to second round. Or I start training. And I'm like one of those athletes I can play baseball. I can play baseball. I can play ping pong. Like I can play pickleball. Like I can fish. I can play basketball. I'm like an all over like a ball athlete. I guess bowl. I can bowl over 200, whatever.

there's guys that could literally not swing a baseball bat, but they can jump 44 inches and stuff. I'm not like that. So I had very mediocre numbers at the combine, and obviously I was a junior, so I didn't have the senior bowl or all that stuff to have more opportunity to be seen. So I kind of was like, oh, this guy just kept,

every time I look, I just slipped. Someone did something at something that I wasn't even at, and I slipped. You weren't doing anything to slip. No, just because you weren't able to do certain things. Yeah, you leave as a junior, there is no senior bowl. There is no, so, right? So I'm okay, I'm a junior.

All I have is that, NFL combine. As soon as I ran a 4-5, it was like, oh, this guy ran a, this guy out of nowhere who has no numbers ran a 4-3. Because they're kind of sell a story at the combine too, right? They want the biggest athletic freaks there. So I kind of slipped. I went to the third round. New England, New England came to Rutgers and Rutgers had a lot of guys at the time coming out. And Bill Belichick, and this is actually another, I got all these Belichick stories that just keep coming out. So when you're in college, there's local pro days. So in New Jersey, right?

Like, the Jets and the Giants can work out the local guys on their own day. And guys from all those colleges in New Jersey can go do a local pro day for the Jets and the Giants. So Bill Belichick decides that he wants to come do a visit with me on the day of the Jets' local pro day. So I'm not going to work out for the Jets. The Patriots are coming to work me out privately. And I think only two or three teams work me out privately. That's purposeful, right? Not only did he invite me, he invited about 16 Rutgers players.

So everybody, I mean, I think we had seven guys get drafted that year. We led the draft with players. Me, Daron Harmon, Steve Biharnas, everybody that we had coming out. We had like eight guys on defense, eight guys in offense. So it was like pretty much a Patriot Pro Day, the day that was supposed to be the Jets pro day. So Rex Ryan and Jets were pissed because none of the Rutgers players went to their pro day. They had like, Momoth players go. And it was like, well, Bill came in and said to do this.

So I remember I did the thing with Bill, but I called Devin because Devin's one of my good friends and he was on the Patriots already and was their captain. So I said, I need all your drills. Give me all your warm up drills. Give me all your DB drills. What do you guys do in a workout? So Devin sent me all their drills. And I've been practicing with the guys for a week because we knew what day this was coming.

So our entire secondary was practicing these drills for a week. So when they come in, we crush the workout. Then we go to the film room. And I'm like, oh, this is what I do. I'm telling what the noseguard does. I'm telling what all 11 players doing every defense. So I knew I impressed Bill. And then he ends up drafting me in the third round,

Daron Harmon, who was our free safety in the third round as well. So he drafted four guys on Rucker's defense alone in that draft. But I had the drills from Devin a week prior and we were practicing for this workout. What's it like as a rookie going into the locker room of the NFL where you got 35-year-old men there as well? Crazy. It was, again, that's another adjustment again.

And I just think you've got to earn them with your play. and just being a good rookie. I was singing songs and I was telling jokes. I remember I was playing really well in the preseason. I actually had a pick six against the Bucks

who Shiana went to be that coach so I kind of got Shiano back with a pick six in the preseason. And because he didn't draft me in the second round. So my old coach did pass on me. Dang, that had to hurt a little bit though.

Like I had taken that person. Yeah, it was a little personal at the time. So I was like, okay, don't draft me. That's fine. See what I do. So he actually drafted another corner as well. So I end up doing that.

So I'm playing well. So I'm like kind of playing with the starters, like when the season is about to start, like, in there. Very different than start in my college career. And I remember Akeeb Taleb was like, and I think there's no more intimidating veteran you can have than Akeeb Taleb as a rookie. And Akeeb was like, yo, rookie, you got to get this chicken wings before we go on away games on the flight. I'm like, well, I'm not getting no chicken wings. I'm like one of the starters. Like, get the other rookies a day.

And he was like, he looked at me. He was like, you're getting those chicken wings. And I just was like, I'm getting those chicken wings. So I ended up getting chicken wings. Before every road game, I had to go to Skipjacks across the street, a Patriot place, and get like 300 chicken wings in a suit and bring buffalo wings in a suit and not get any sauce on me and get pictured in the plane. So every like pregame picture of me in the plane, I had like big old bag of chicken wings for the entire secondary or whatever.

And I did that for, I did that for an entire year. And I ended up starting most of that year, leading the team, leading to AFC and I had five interceptions as a rookie. You're still getting wings, even though you got five. Started at AFC championship, starting a FC championship, had more picks than to leave that year. And yeah, I was getting chicken wings up to the AFC championship. And I remember we were flying to the AFC championship. And Bill was like, let the players sit first class. And some other organizations, when you fly, the coaches sit first class.

And the players in the back and I pisses the players off. But Bill's like, nah, the players, they run the show like during the first class. class, but there's only so many seats. So he doesn't do it on seniority. He doesn't know who's playing. So I remember I got like a first class seat. I'm like, yeah, like, okay, I made it. And they had some guys that are 10-year vets in economy pissed.

But I'm like, hey, like, I'm playing better. Bill Rewards, who's playing better? Who gets respect, somebody who plays well or somebody's got a big deal? Who, I always say play well. Because even when I signed some big deals, I signed two $30 million contracts in my career. and I always felt like I got to show to the guys like I'm worth it because nothing's worse than a guy who gets paid and doesn't work and you're like this is the guy we're paying like you're it

do you see that in locker rooms oh yeah that's a lot of teams issues they play guys they don't know their character the money changes the guys and now you have a big issue because not only is your paid player supposed to be your best player and hopefully your hardest worker like tom brady is and these guys are he's your least hardest worker and he's not even playing up to his own potentials that really hurts your team So you got to pay, you got to make sure that you reward the right guys. I'm a big booster.

I do NILs with players, a big Arkansas guy. And I think one of the things that I've been able to observe is some of these guys grew up like I did, no money, broke. But this is their first time to get some money in college. And it actually prepares them from when they get more money in the NFL. So it's not just straight culture shot going from nothing to everything. I feel like that's a real positive of the NIL is there's. an adjustment period before you hit it real big. Your thoughts on that?

I love that, I love that, I, L. I mean, I just like that the players are getting a piece of the pie. And I know it's kind of crazy to regulate, and I know a lot of players are making a lot of money at a young age. But I think what it also does, I think it can expose the family that's been waiting to do it anyway. So you might, you know, when you got a million dollars at 21, you got some uncles that have been waiting in the weeds, you know,

that now, if you don't give them some, now they're mad at you. So maybe it exposes a little, the family dynamic or the support dynamic a little earlier. So these kids be like, oh, okay, I really see who's got my back and not, you know. So I think a lot of guys stresses is dealing with family and how to hand, like, you can't help everybody. And who do you owe what to and your aunt's struggling so you got to pay for her. And so on someone who had a hospital bill, you got to pay for that. And your mom needs this and your dad needs that. And your, oh, but your brother's always been there with you.

So he needs this. And then eventually it's like you tell them no one time and then they get mad at you. So you definitely need to work on that dynamic. Do they work with you guys on money when you go in? No. Because I know in the NBA they do these class. Yeah, we have a we have a, we have like a rookie symposium. But nobody really plays a, but it's just, it's generic.

You know, it's not like a class. It's a one day, you know, four hour presentation. You watch the documentary about going broke, which was that he, that 30 for 30, which was crazy and see Antoine Jameson and them buying apartment complexes and Jamarcus Russell buying an entire plane every seat I'm like I wouldn't do that

But I don't know if that teaches you Actually like what taxes are And like how to Percentages Yeah like I don't think guys Like every draft pick is buying her mom a house And somebody a car the first day It's like dude

You're making like Maybe $800,000 this year After taxes That's like 500 Now you bought a car and a house Like how are you even going to pay For your own rent Like there's not enough money

to do that in day one Which, you know, for NILs again, I think it's great money. So they make a few hundred thousand bucks because then when they make a million, they know half of where it's going anyway. Yeah. You know? So when you get to the NFL and you're playing with the Patriots and you're playing well, I mean, you've got the greatest player of all time, Tom Brady there.

I mean, does he just walk around and everybody just, it's instant respect or is he one of the guys? He's one of the guys as much as he could be. He's just, he's different. He was older than, you know, older than a lot of us and all that stuff. but he is one of the most humble people for high star power. Like does he try to be involved with folks? Yeah, he's very authentic.

He's very genuine. He's very engaging. I think his EQ is what got him so many Super Bowls. He really knows how to how to tap in with his teammates and get the best of his team. It's like sometimes you hear how Kobe didn't always rub right with his teammates

or Jordan didn't always rub right with his teammates or whatever. I think Tom has that same competitive passion and he knows when to do that. but he also knows when to level up on his teammates. And maybe a little more LeBron-esque, I don't know, but I think that, like, Tom has mastered. I think that's a difference with him

and a lot of these other quarterbacks. That's why he has seven, and these other guys have one or two, is how much, like, I'll tell quickly, like this story I've told a couple times, my first time ever meeting him, so I get drafted by the Patriots. I'm walking in the hall.

I kind of, like, see him down the hall. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm going to run into this guy. Like, do I call him Tom, Thomas, Mr. Brady? Like, I had his guy's jersey growing up, right? So I'm like clearing my throat And as I walk up to him Outside a normal conversation range Like you have like maybe a second

To get ready for this conversation He's like oh hey You're Logan right We draft you in a third round out of Rutgers And he's like man look I'm Tom The quarterback here If you need anything in my lockers are here

I'm always here early Anything you need like just come to me And I'll do the best I can He's like trust me I was a rookie It's hard Just put your head down and keep working And I just thought that was so cool. Not only they'd take the awkward interaction out of me,

but he made me feel, he knew who I was, he knew where out, what school I came from, he made me feel important, and he said he was an open book for me. And when you're just the third round rookie out of Rutgers, who's probably the 53rd best player on the team, I was like, dang, that's really cool. And I was like, yo, I want to be that veteran one day.

I might not be Tom Brady, but I want to be that guy that's not hazing and not, like, making it so hard. We need these guys. And I think Tom knows that he's going to need. every one of his teammates. We only got a few minutes left here with you, but a couple questions. What if you said, hey, Tom, will you sign this?

What, that football? Anything. It could be anything. You're like, Tom, hey, thanks, man. Will you sign? Like, is that allowed in the locker room? Yeah, I got him. You didn't see.

I got him to sign his last, I picked off his last. But that's the end. You already were established. Oh, early on? Yeah. Like, if you're in and you're like, it's crazy. Yeah. I don't know.

I think you got to just draw the line there because everyone would do it. So certain guys, when you're established, I think he does it. And charity, he'll, do it, but like just he would be there all day. Like, you know, they went viral when you had him sign the ball after you. And do you think part of that situation that you approached that was because you already knew him and played with him? Yeah, I knew him.

We kind of grown together our relationship of respect. And I didn't know how much longer he was going to play. I was going to play whatever. So I kind of just snuck a bunch of stuff from the sign for family finally over these years. And then I kind of snuck the football in there too. You still have the ball? I do have the ball, yeah. What could you get for you, you think?

That's what I want to know. I mean, let me know who's listening. I went over $500,000. How do you still train? I got two questions left. How do you still train with the intensity that you need to train with when you're waiting on that call instead of knowing who that call is going to be from? I did this during COVID.

I was a free agent for a long time when I left Tennessee. I didn't sign with the New York Giants until week one of the season. So I was all the way through training camp. And I got in there and I ended up leading the team and snaps played and tackle. on stuff. So I've been through this. I think it's discipline. I get up and get it done, period. It doesn't matter who I'm playing for. I get up. I know the work

and what I need to do at this point in my career, and I get up and just get it done. You want to come here? I know some people here. I mean, you want to come here? I mean, you want to come here? I'm just saying, I don't know. I just say, I know some people here. I don't know. Like, where you want to go? Where do you see yourself fitting? Well, who needs you? Man, I would love to be in Tampa because my family's there, you know? But

if that's not the case, then I obviously want to play for a good organization, a contender. that can get a guy to plug in and play and win championships. Like Tennessee? Yeah, we'll see what the record is during the year. He wants to play for the Cowboys.

Eddie, a question for Logan. Yeah, Logan, so, like, growing up, who did you want to play for? Because I got four kids. Three of them are pretty decent at sports. So I bought them all jerseys, like, so they can take baby pictures with so the announcer can be like,

he's always been a 49er fan from the very beginning. You know, so like, who did you want? It's crazy. I kept this hidden. I was a New York giant and I literally kept this hidden. But I grew up a diehard Philly fan because I'm from South Jersey and there's like no choice. Right? There's Cowboys fans there. They get like beat up daily fights. It's real rivalries up there. So I was a I was an Eagles fan growing up. I grew up watching McNabb years and all those years, Brian Dawkins and all that. So I was big. So when the Phillies won the World Series in 08, 09 or whatever, like our teachers didn't show up to school.

Like there was no school. Everyone was at the parade. It's like that type of town. They were climbing the pole. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's serious. I'm a big animal guy. Tell me about Ryan's Monthly Rescue and your goal and what you've been able to do so far. Man, we were able to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for animals throughout the years. I just love, I was looking for my cause and I love shelter animals. I have rescue dogs. My daughter fosters kittens. So we started a big animal foundation to raise money awareness. And just be a different face in that industry. You don't see young black guys like loving on pit bulls.

you see a different type of stereotype. You don't see guys with kittens and stuff like that. So I've done a lot with naturally humane out here when I was still currently. And we're just trying to promote adoption and give out grants and stuff for people that are, you know, struggling with animals and animals need help. So I'm just an animal lover. At rarf.com, which is R-A-R-F. And you can find out on Facebook.

Search for the Ryan Animal Rescue Foundation. We talked about a little bit before you got in here. But I really appreciate the time, man. I can do this for three hours. So I hope that you get picked up by a contender. I hope you still find your fulfillment for playing sports the next couple years. Whatever makes you feel like you still got it. If you still got it, I hope you get.

But then when you're done, dude, you're going to kill it in this space. Yeah, man, I got peace. I'm proud of what I've done. So I'm just honestly, it's a financial decision at this point. Thankfully, I had good team and supported it where financially I made good decisions where I don't have to do that anymore. And my body is important to me, my time with my family is important to me. So I'm in the one making a decision.

now and waiting for the right opportunity with the right team. If that doesn't happen and we can do this more often, that's cool too. You know, I'm enjoying it. Pigsui, man. I played Arkansas in college. You played against them? Yeah, we beat them. Two picks. You had two picks.

Yeah, one guy called back. That's how we cut. Oh, I did. Okay. He whispered a one guy called back. What was it? Like a clip or something? How you got it in the first place? I don't know. Yeah, something I didn't do. Somebody else was holding. Somewhere else. follow Logan on Instagram at Logan Ryan. Good luck this season. If it don't work out, let's go. Let's do something big.

I appreciate you. You guys are awesome, man. It was a big deal to be here, so I appreciate the opportunity. Man, that's crazy. All right, Logan Ryan, everybody. Thanks to Logan Ryan. That's awesome. Really, one of the coolest interviews we got to do. Just sit for an hour and talk with Logan about that stuff, whatever you wanted. Scotty Pippen says Michael Jordan was a horrible player before he got there. Statistically. He says LeBron's going to easily be the greatest statistical player of all time.

obviously Scotty Pippen still hurt by the last dance and how he's portrayed there Now what I did is I went back and looked These are Jordan's stats without Pippin on the Bulls 32 points per game Six rebounds, five assists But then with Pippin on the Bulls he had the same exact stat line Yeah

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In his two healthy seasons, he was 78 and 86 and 1 in the playoffs. So that's Jordan's record before Pippin gets there. Now, like we said, the points per game, the rebounds, assists. They were all basically the same. But with Pippin, he was 592 and 238. Again, not Mr. Stats. Dang, that's such a difference.

He was 117 and 51 with six championships with Pippin. Now he was 31 and 12 without Pippin of the final three-peat years. But by that point, he had other great role players too. I can't get on Pippin's side and say Jordan was garbage, but I do think Scotty Pippin, defensively was a beast and made Jordan's life

a whole lot easier. I'm gonna fall just somewhere in the middle of this. I think they needed each other. And the fact that Mom and Dad are fighting makes me uncomfortable. I think Jordan gets all the credit and I think Pippin

should get a little bit of it and he doesn't and it probably hurts his feelings and it hurts his feelings when Jordan does the last dance and acts like Pippin was a cry baby. Scotty Pippen's career stats in 17 seasons with the Bulls, trollblazers, and rockets, 16 points a game, 6 rebounds, 5 assists.

Older Pippin when he finally got paid because he didn't get paid. That documentary shows you, he kind of got screwed financially. But older Pippin with the Trailblazers and Rockets wasn't the same. It wasn't prime Pippin. They just need to admit they needed each other. But you can't have Michael Jordan admit he needed anything.

And Pippin's already said Jordan's garbage. We know that's not true as well. I still think LeBron's best basketball player of all time. I still think it is. I watch Michael Jordan a ton. But there's not been another LeBron that can do everything that he does

with the size that he is. And he's also, he has a scoring record. You can hit me with rings, sure. But as we saw here, rings have a lot to do with who else is on your team. Because Jordan was garbage until Pippin got there.

I started to get on Pippin's side after saying that. Quentin Tarantino once paid a shirt for $10,000 to lick her toes until they were prunes. Man. I said to despise disposable money. Like that's just like you got so much money.

You have access to everything. So what do you do? You have a foot fetish and you go lick some toes until they prune. Like how much spit is coming out of his mouth to, it takes me a solid 35 minutes in the bathtub to start pruning anything. And I'm sitting directly in water. I mean tongue in that, tongue in a toe? A lot of work. God dang!

He's got to take it. He's licking toes for an hour. He had to be doing some toe sucking though to it. can't be licking. I know this is licking, but he's got to be doing some toes sucking with him in the bathtub of his mouth. He's getting juicy in there. Yeah, it's like he's got to be holding him in his mouth bathtub because otherwise that ain't pruning. A former strip club manager in Hollywood says Quentin Tarantino once came in and asked for a VIP room and a girl, and then he proceeded to lick her feet and suck her toes until they look like prunes. And he gave her

$10,000. After 30 minutes, the guy says her feet looked like prunes. Quinn gave her $10,000. you know It's tough I'm thinking about if I would take 10 grand to have my toes sucked by Quentin Tarantino By him? Yeah

Oh yeah I'd do it for 10 grand Well yeah but you like movies Yeah You don't get to ask him any questions About directing Mike Oh even if I don't have to ask One single question I would do it for 10 grand

I'm okay right now I don't I wouldn't do over 10 grand You're not the one doing it You're the one I mean I'm taking it Yeah

Yeah I'm still probably not gonna now 100 grand I think we're talking 10 probably not you Weirdo Quentin Tarantino sucking on your toes

Yeah I see you say weirdo Quentin Tarantino For 10 grand Uh Probably not No Maybe

Okay All right look That's it Let's go around the room here Final thoughts Kevin we'll get yours Ever with Go ahead

I'm exhausted I'm exhausted mentally physically from being a fan this series the last two weeks has just from the ultimate highs to the ultimate lows from whether there's a shot or a game or the series and I'm

just exhausted and I feel like I need to a few days to recoup before your toe sucked. Yeah. Can we call it? Yes. To get Mr. Tarantino on the phone. So I'm happy the series is over because I'm exhausted. Our camera guy, Reed, read, what's up? What's going on?

So I am leaving tomorrow actually to go to the UK. I'm going to Kentucky. He's going to watch Kentucky. basketball. That's it. I'm going to London and Scotland and it's going to be fun. I have not packed whatsoever so I need to do a lot of preparation. Also, I don't even know they had different plugs there. They do, yeah. You can get that stuff at the airport. Okay. That's probably the best place because you can go to a gas station too. But it's like finding an extension cord at a gas station here. Like you've got to find the right kind of gas station if you have an extension cord. Like country

gas stations have extension cords. But I would just get a couple of the at the airport. Or one. It just depends how many things you get to plug in. Yeah. I went to Utah over the weekend and watched Utah softball when they're super regional. And be honest with you, pretty freaking cool. My brother-in-law, the assistant head coach there, but he's really gone in there.

In my opinion, totally flipped that program. And they're going to be in Oklahoma City playing the college world series. First time that teams ever made it, or at least since 94. So first time since 94. coaching, the head coach there has never been until now. And they had never hosted a Super Regional. And so that's where I'll be this weekend is in Oklahoma City watching women softball. It's, I'm going to tell you this, the environment in a stadium is so much more fun than a college

baseball game. And I love college baseball and Arkansas is in a regional. But you know, dudes, they got to be cool. And you take the energy from the players. And they're all like yelling, singing, doing cheer. I mean, it's definitely, as they say, a vibe in a college softball stadium. I mean, people, it's nonstop. I mean, it's just so much more active than a baseball game.

And I love baseball, love college baseball, and I'll be rooting for Arkansas, probably going. But I'm telling you, if you have to go to one of a team you don't know, man, college softball so much more fun just to be at the game. I never thought I'd say it, but I have to say it. That's it. I hope you guys have a great rest of the day. I don't know if we'll be back this week or not, but if we will, it'll be up on the 25 whistles feet only.

Like I said, we don't know what we're doing. We don't know when we'll be back, but I assume it'll be sometime soon. We'll probably talk about the finals if something crazy happens. But we're not under a schedule. We're under our own rule now. Thank you.

I'll blow the whistle. We'll get out of here. Until next time. We'll see you guys. Theme song written by Bobby Bones and performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music. Thanks to our crew, segment producer at Kickoff Kevin, video producer at Reed Yarberry, and executive producer at Mike Deistro.

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