The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: What Kind of Legacy did Boeheim Leave at Syracuse? + Arkansas HoF QB Quinn Grovey is In-Studio to Join the Crew + Where the Jets Would Rank if they Land Rodgers + Samford Head Coach Bucky McMillan

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

With the announcement of legendary Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim leaving the program after 47 years, the guys discuss what kind of legacy he leaves behind. Former Arkansas QB & current color analyst for the schools radio broadcast team - Quinn Grovey is in town for the SEC basketball tournament and comes in the studio to join the guys to discuss playing against Troy Aikman, getting recruited by Barry Switzer and much more! Plus, if the Jets land Aaron Rodgers - where would they land in the AFC East power rankings, and Coleman sits down with Samford head coach Bucky McMillan to talk about his unlikely journey.  Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App today: https://dkng.co/bobbysports   If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA).   21+ (18+ WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/ NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in NH/OR/ON. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details.       Follow the Show: @25Whistles   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @KickoffKevin @ColemanCrawley @ProducerEddie @MikeDeestro      See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Talking basket whistle Yeah, it's stupid But what did you expect It's a whistles Welcome A lot of buildup for that A lot of build up Yeah

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What's going on? We're good Hey so I don't want to Forget to talk about The Survivor pool that I'm in Don't let me forget Before we leave Okay, I'll write it down

Because I've put it on a note three times in a row and then I end up writing all over my notes with other notes, other better notes. And we've done this for an hour and I'm like, well, too late, but I got it. If it's my goodbye note, I will do it. But I need to remember to do that. Okay, welcome to the show.

We're all here. Eddie, is he, you want to blow the whistle? I got you, bud. All right, show can start now. That was very intense. Thank you. As a coach, did you have a whistle? I did for practices, not during the games.

Did you blow it like that? Of course I did. That scared the crap out of me. Dude, the best thing when your coach is, coaching kids is like the drills of like, all right, you run, dribble till I blow the whistle, you stop. The last one is stop gets kicked out. And it's so much fun with the whistle going, all right, run. You're out. You're playing squid games with the kids. Jimmy, you're done. Next. Run, run, run. Oh, you didn't stop, Bill. You're out. Awesome, dude. Nice. Yeah, those drills are fun.

Do you want to coach next year? I'm going to coach next year, but I have another guy coming in and help me out. That knows about basketball and you're in your replacing Kevin at the same time. Well, Kevin did not renew. I got fired? Don't act like you're the victim, Kevin. You did not review. Did you not renew Kevin? Did you not renew you?

I haven't even been asked. That's not true. This is all news to me. You could at least franchise tagged him, give him a year. That sounds familiar. Look, after the whole tournament, I talked to Kevin, I said, hey man, you know, I gave him a little gift card. Thank you for doing this. And of course, you're always welcome to do next year.

He's like, oh, I don't know if I'll do that. But he didn't say no. It meant no. And it was right after the game. Thank you. When emotions are high. Yeah, after the whole season. And I'm like, dude, I just need a week.

Let me get my thoughts back together. A little off season. Then we can talk. But I didn't know I was a free agent now. At the same time, does... Hey, Kevin, let's pick another team to coach him ourselves. Real nice, guys. Real nice.

At the same time, go ahead. Finish it out before we get into it. At the same time, like, why does Kevin want to coach nine-year-old boys? Because he maybe enjoys a sport. No, he's not a dad. Like, this is something we have to do as dads. You ask me to coach. You could say the same thing about me.

Yeah. But it was your team. You paid into the team. Right, but Jerry Jones, well, he doesn't want to coach. But, okay, so they're here. There's that drama. Mike, what's up, buddy? I'm good.

How are you? Well, I didn't ask how you were. I just said, what's up? Oh, there's a lot of. Okay, cool, cool, cool. And then Coleman, who is, is he on? Or do we lose him? Because we had him on, and he was in his car.

And then we were like, well, we can't do this if he's in his car. But then we saw a microphone pop up from the bottom of the screen. So he had his laptop and a microphone, but he was in his car. And then we're like, well, if he's driving, you can't. Then somebody's driving, and we don't know who it's a mystery person. And then we heard I'm going to park at Starbucks and now he's gone. He's one mile from the Starbucks, so he's getting settled. Wow.

Oh, we'll check in with Coleman, maybe. Okay. I'm watching the show right now called Looking for Michael. It popped up on my Hulu. Michael who? A mountain climber. I don't know what's with me in these mountain climbing Everest shows, but it just popped up and I watched it. And that reminded me of like, you know, Coleman saying like, hey, I'm pulling up to a Starbucks and then he's gone.

a lot of these stories are like that where they're just like, hey man, I'm going to meet you right here at this spot. Never saw him again. Boy, he said, yeah, I'm pulling into Starbucks, and I didn't know about the whole deal. And we were a little loose with our time. We're like five minutes ahead of where we would be. But so Coleman will be up. We'll talk to him. Do some basketball.

Let's get going with the tittle tattle. It's time for the stupidest name ever. It's the tittle tattle. After the announcement of UCLA losing forward, Jalen Clark for the remainder of the season, what do you get the chances of UCLA making a run in the tournament? I don't watch. Maybe but two UCLA games all year. So I'm like an act like I'm a big Pac-12 expert

because I say I'm not awake for the most part. And unless I see the highlight, it's not just UCLA, it's USC, it's Oregon, it's all of those. Arizona? Yes, unless I see the highlight, I can't see it and act like I'm Mr. Sports where I've stayed up until 11 o'clock watching the game because I'm not. The thing, he was, I think, I think he, what do we average, 12 or 13 a game, something like that. But defensively, he was like the guy.

Is he the center? Is he the big guy? No. He's a forward. He's forward, right? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. But he was, like, defensively, like, maybe even, like, defensive player of the year for the, for the all.

Conference, all. You know, there's a few guys that are in that mix. But from all the experts that I know that follow the Pac-12, they're like, they're, like, they can't win it now. Whereas they were a one or a two, depending on how the conference tournament shakes out. Now they're like, we don't have them. Even Coleman, I think, said he had Houston and UCLA up there. And he's like, I can't even pick UCLA now. So I'm going to go just by the experts because I'm not an expert in UCLA basketball.

I've watched two games. It seems to me like most people feel like he was such an integral part of that team that they could still win a couple games to win a national championship. It doesn't seem like they think it's possible because of what he provided to that team defensively. What do you think about it? I'm kind of the same. I mean, obviously we're on the same time zone here, so I don't watch a lot of the games. I know Tiger Campbell and Jaime Huakez Jr.

They're both studs. Those are the dudes that I thought, like, is it one of those guys? Then you're in trouble. But again, they're studs in like, they will score you points. Right. They will do a lot of the business that you do that get you on SportsCenter. Like they're those guys, right? Yeah.

And he's that guy, but he's like the trash man in the neighborhood. Yeah. You got to have them. You got to have them. And if he's not there, it sucks. And things aren't running. There's garbage. But he also doesn't get the respect unless people kind of understand what he's doing and why he's doing it.

Right. He's what you would call, I guess, the X factor of the team, right? One of those. If you need them, you got them, great. Yeah, so I'm going to go with no. They can't, but only because experts think... We don't really know. Well, again, other than highlights, I'm going to lie to you and say, I'm watching all those West Coast games.

Hey, Coleman, so what are you doing and where are you? So I am heading from Hamilton, New York to Brooklyn, New York for the 8-10 quarters. I plan on going to all four games today, but with this, I'm now skipping the first game and going to three of them. But it was a four and a half hour drive, didn't have a hotel to stop at. So making this Starbucks work. Okay, he's hustling. Yeah, sounds good.

Can't be mad at somebody for hustling. He's going to drive in New York City. Oh, Kohl-Slaw-Krawley. What's up? He's going to drive in New York City. Yeah, LaFonda is going to see what Manhattan's like. Wait, who's driving you? My wife.

Show her. He's covering her face. We just wanted to make sure she was there because, He's like my wife, but he's in the driver's seat. We're like, no. And who's LaFonda? My car. He makes jokes.

We don't have any background of it. Inside, inside joke. Yeah, we had no background of an inside joke at all. And yet he's still making it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inside joke in my own head. So, yeah, that's a way inside. Okay.

Okay, next question. Sorry, Kevin. Okay, Jim Beheim announced that he's leaving Syracuse at their fourth. 47 years. So when you hear that name, what do you think of? Not Coach K. He's not Coach K. Oh, yeah.

Like, that's my comparison for the past 10 years. That he's obviously a really great coach, even just to last that long. But he was always in Coach K's shadow in my mind. And he probably wanted to retire last year, but he was like, I can't retire same year. Coach K retires. Because if I do that,

no one's going to know at all. And also it just kind of came in the way of like a weird press release. Where it was like, Coach Behan, 47 years is retired. And they haven't been the greatest. I think of Carmelo. That's the last thing I think of. Oh, yeah.

I think of his son. That's the last thing I think of. Carmelo at Planned Texas. I think of his son. They had a little run with Buddy. I think of all that. It seems like in this last one. half decade he's really lost touch with where college basketball is going the nil stuff um and i don't know seems kind of like that upset old man in the media that i wish he would have retired five years ago and

just enjoyed watching his sons play but i think of the two three zone and i think probably he wanted to be there for his sons to play with him yeah but all and the school doesn't want to fire him obviously and they probably made a deal you could coach through your sons and even though the program had it been They still weren't going to fire him because he'd put in 40 years before they even got in. It was probably not a pleasant situation around Syracuse basketball, I would assume, in general. Because you're right, I picture him as like the guy that's yelling at the clouds and out of his front yard at this point. And Colman, why do you think they just put out of press lights? Why not something bigger?

It's like, again, one of the most legendary coaches in basketball. Right. It was so weird. I think the lack of success of late, it almost sounds like he was pushed out. just based on how he was handling that post-game press conference, it seemed really odd, but the time is now. He should have been out a couple years ago, probably, but just being the legend that he's been,

all the success that he's had, they didn't want to push him out, but now, given the last few years, felt like they had to. I don't even associate Syracuse basketball to winning anymore. No, yeah, a bit of it. And isn't that sad because they were that program for a long time, even early for me, but they're just not a winning program to me in my mind. And I'm sure that Syracuse basketball fans,

30 and over remember a point when they were really good and they still feel like we're a really good team and deserve to win. And they're probably torn. Like this is our guy. We had it for 40 plus years, 40, probably longer than most of them have been alive. And so it's like he's a legend, but he's also got to go. So what do I associate with him?

He's not Coach K. That's it. I mean, he was always compared to Coach K. and he's not, because that program hasn't won in a while, at least Coach K won when he was out. I thought they were going to give him the national championship. They were like, Coach K is leaving final year. I'm like, this is rigged. This is bullcraft.

That'd be terrible. For sure, it was like conspiracy. I'm on TikTok, conspiracy theory. So, but he didn't. He didn't. Do you know what kind of in my mind? It's weird.

It's not fair, but him hitting a dude with his car. Oh, yeah. Like, that was crazy to me. That story was his wife. Well, do you remember the actual? The details? of it? Yeah. No. Was there a feet, a foot thing involved or something to, or is that Rex Ryan

who likes feet? Yeah, those two. I don't know about that. Wrong guy. I don't know why those two to me. Yeah, but he didn't hit somebody with his car. Was he drinking? No, and that's the crazy thing. It's like, I immediately thought, oh, great, Jim Beaham, Bayhams in trouble. It was after a game. He's driving home. He was drinking. He was a dude. No, he was not

drinking. He just, some guy got in front of him, he hit him. Pedestrian. I felt that. But who does that happen to? I know. Maybe me, if you're not careful. What do you have there, Kevin? He was trying to avoid a car on the side of the road and swerved and hit the guy. Okay. I was standing on the side of the road. That, to me, doesn't sound like what Eddie remembered and then convinced me.

What do you mean? What did I remember? He had to do with his car. That's all I said. Yeah, but it felt pretty shady how you said it. I did. And you're like, you know, when he hit that dude? And I'm like, I do there was something about that?

Well, how Eddie said it. Was he drinking? Do you like feet? Like, I knew there was. No, you brought up the feet. Yeah, nothing scandalous there at all, buddy. All right, next question, Kevin. Going to the NBA.

Earlier this week, James Harden said that he feels like he's being disrespected for the longevity of his career. Are you buying that? He's not disrespected, but he's made so many things about him that the main issue, or that aren't his career. Him moving around. We talk about him all the time,

and I think we would respect his career, and how great of a shooter he is, his longevity. All of this we would respect if there weren't better stories coming from him, like more clickable stories. So it's not that we're doing, disrespecting it, we don't get to it. That's the difference. When it's, I'm talking about James Hardin. It's, oh, he's unhappy again. Oh, he's at seven strip clubs and seven nights. He's like Coleman

with the mid-majors. He's going to a strip club in every city, 10 nights in a row. So it's not that he may feel disrespect because people aren't talking about that, but he's giving such better material for idiots like us to talk about that we're never even able to get to that. Because we have 19 other James Hardin's stories to talk about that he has provided for us that they're excellent fodder. So we don't even appreciate how good he is because we can't even get to the appreciation stage really with him because there's so many other things than when James Hardin's name comes up, we think about first and foremost.

He had somebody with the car. He likes feet. All of that. Coleman, what's your answer to that question? Yeah, I agree a lot with you, Bobby. Secondarily, I think he's a tough watch with his ball dominant as he is. He's tried to change his ways just a little bit over time. But, God, he's a tough watch and all that drawing foul stuff, trying to trick the referees.

I feel like, I don't know, he's not traditionally viewed as a great player as some other elite guys because he does so much of his work at the foul line. It doesn't look as pretty. But big year for the 76ers, I mean, if they can make a run, perhaps get to the championship game, something like that in an East that's very competitive. of maybe he changes his image going forward. But I agree with a lot of what you said, Bobby, and then also think he's just a tough watch sometimes.

This is why Coleman's an asset to this show, because I go, well, he's in seven strip clubs and seven nights. And then Coleman's like, well, actually, he's very boring. And it's like the idiot and the smart guy. And also, James Hardin sometimes shows up fat, and somehow three days later he's skinny. And I don't get how he does it. Yeah, that's amazing.

Yeah. I wish I could do that. Hey, but drawing foul is an art. that's an art and he mastered that art no the art is he can show up fat and four days later be skinny that too how does he do that they'd be like James Harden but also his beard makes him

look fat too yeah because his beer's just so big do you think you'd recognize him if he shaved that beard no no chance right I wouldn't recognize you if you shaved your beard what are you talking about my beard I barely have a beer exactly that's how hard it is yeah be tough though buddy it'd be tough next question well I had a KD question last night and then I found out

ask it anyway even though there's been an update go ahead okay so if you healthy. Do you, and then now Steph Curry is back for the Warriors. Who do you trust more going down the stretch in the West, the Warriors or the Suns? Hey, what is the latest? Because I saw, this is what I saw last night. Maybe in warm-ups,

Katie was like, he went hard in his ankle. Yeah, he just went up for a layup. It just said ankle tightness or soreness. So what I'm seeing today is he could be out for the rest of the year. No way, no possibly. Possibly. Well, not, sorry. Oh my God. Possibly the start of the playoffs. Even that. Yeah. But the rest of the

regular season, possibly. what all I read was he was in pre-games and he came up with ankle tightness or soreness or something and that it was precautionary now he's going to miss 15 games or so yeah no way odds haven't changed they haven't nope what are they at

I mean Boston one Phoenix is at plus 380 is on second like number one in the west though number one in the west I cannot but LeBron KD Bohem and the feet It's a crazy day Keep going to the feet

I know Okay so the question was Let's act like he wasn't injured Okay So who do you trust more coming down the stretch The Warriors are the Suns To make a deep run You know what

Boy I was just gonna roll one quickly But then I kind of second guess You can't argue with history Yeah I'm still gonna go If I were gonna bet I would bet on the Suns To watch The attention they have to pay to KD

And how much attention now that Booker is not getting from the defense? And Booker is lighten him up. He's about 35, 36, 36. Booker is playing at a level he hasn't been able to play. He's always had the capability to do it. But he's playing at a level that he hasn't had because he now has all this space because they get... How do you stop the sons? I mean, Chris Paul is 713 years old.

Still, a super effective point guard. KD Number 2 If I'm drafting Maybe 3 Still 2 I think you go

I think you go Yonis 1 Katie 2 Yokic 3 But Katie's top 3 But Katie's top 3 player in the league Where's Luca 4? Yeah

Top 5 for sure I I wasn't ready for this question I know what I put it 4 because this wasn't the question but I would still probably go with the sons and a healthy Durant because he is that much of a game changer and as good as the Warriors are

and they won last year obviously they're getting a little older they're getting a little older and Steph's been hurt but they're also that's tough I don't not believe in Golden State though I'm not saying that at all what you think Coleman

yeah no I would go with the Warriors just like Eddie said the history you just feel like they're going to to figure it out. They did it last year. They're struggling on the road immensely, but a veteran team like that, you feel like eventually they're going to figure it out. I just feel like in the playoffs, though, shut up, Betty. I just feel like in the playoffs, you pick, usually the team that wins is the team with the best player in the playoffs. And it's tough with those teams, because again, it's Steph versus KD, but if they're both healthy, I'm probably going with, then you look at Clay

has been playing a lot better this year, especially later in the year. I think, I feel like he's got his half step back. He's lost. But I would still take Booker over Clay. And then it's Draymond versus, what, you wouldn't? Well, no, I'm just saying, you're missing Wiggins. Like, you're missing Draymond. But I'm going to Draymond at three.

Who's a big glue guy, obviously, a lot of rebounds, whatever you need from him, he'll give. But Draymond versus Chris Paul. Now, we're not positioned in and up. We're just going third player. I'm probably going with Chris Paul? I'd still, I'd probably still go with the Sons. But whatever. You guys sit idiots.

It doesn't matter. because he's hurt anyway. I know, it sucks. That's bull crap. Yeah, that is bull crap. All right, what else? Going to the NFL, if the Jets do get Aaron Rogers,

where do you rank them in the AFC? Well, I was going to do the conference first, or the division first. Okay. So, Jets, Dolphins, Patriots, bills. Okay. So you probably go,

it makes that conference, just in general, a lot better. And also the Dolphins say they, They're not pursuing anybody. They're not trying to jump in on that franchise tag that Lamar, unrestricted franchise. They're out. Our guy is Tua. They have said it.

They're in it. They're good. They must feel like there aren't concerns there. And what's the offer to first round? Well, the offer is whatever you want it to be. But Baltimore gets to match the offer. And if they match it, they keep them. But if they can't match it, well, then they got to pay the contract.

And then they have to give Baltimore two first round picks. You mean like when you go to Best Buy and you say, hey, I want this TV, but Walmart has it for... Hit me that analogy with that. Let me listen here. Go ahead. I'm Best Buy. I see the Samsung right there. And I'm like, I want that. But you have it at 2011 or $2,100. Walmart has it for $1,800. This analogy is not correct. And you price match that for me. This analogy is not correct. Okay. So first of all, let's talk about the franchise tag, which I believe is the average of the top five at the position. Yeah. Or it's like 20% more of your current salary.

whatever's higher. So what's going to happen here is you got Lamar at that salary, which is way less than he wants, and he wants it all guaranteed. But the only reason they're getting it all guaranteed is the dumb, dumb decision. Cleveland has set a terrible example. I made a bad decision for everybody. Terrible.

Terrible owners. That's why their team sucks. They've ruined it for everybody. So every quarterback, I don't want fully guaranteed. I would. Daniel Jones could, what, 85 million guaranteed? Yeah. Basically 40 million a year, except it's really only a two-year deal.

So that's where everybody's like, wow, he got 40 million a year, but it's a two-year deal, but he got 85 up front. Now, if we go over to Baltimore, and I'm not sure the franchise tag money for him, if you break it down, but another team gets to come in and go, this is how much we'd give for him. Let's have to do a TV. You got a TV at Walmart. Yeah, Best Buy. Just go with Walmart, God dang it. I'm here. Walmart.

You got to Change me up right now. I got you. You go into Best Buy. You see a TV that you like. Yep. You have to make an offer on that TV. It's a Samsung, HD 4K. It just said, it just says.

It just says, we'll take your best offer on that TV. He said, I'm going to give you $10 for that TV right there. Well, Walmart's going to go, wait, I'm confused on your stores. You confuse me on the stores, man. It's this too, man. Walmart and Best Buy that's it. You don't need two stores.

You need two TVs. Samsung and Let's go LG. This is terrible. Anyway, here we go. The division, I'm going to go bills, especially if they can get Derek Henry. Oh. Oh.

You think they're really going to trade him? I don't, I think the Times would take a two and a four for Derek Kinnery right now. There's a new general manager. I don't think Tannahill lasts. Right. There's just, you come in and you get rid of the other guy's stuff. Either you're zero, you're one or two. You got to get rid of the other guy's stuff immediately, or the other woman's stuff.

So, you know where Derek Kinney would be good for a couple years? Buffalo. That's the kind of style that they want to play. Oh, yeah. That's kind of style of their quarterback plays. So Buffalo, I would go Jets. dolphins, but you have three solid teams there. And the Patriots who aren't terrible, they regressed,

but they brought Mac Jones Whisperer in. So that all of a sudden, if Rogers goes to the Jets, is a really good division. Now, the Baltimore situation, though, is so, it's fun to watch because it's dramatic and it ain't my team. I love drama when it ain't my team. And it also says something that these teams aren't lining up to go out,

Atlanta goes, I'm out. Miami goes, we're out. Because they don't have to pay whatever contract that is, which is going to be a lot, and then have to give up two first rounders as well. Now, the argument would be you can't find a good quarterback. You just can't, they just don't exist. You can't just go, there's three, I'll take that one. There are none. And so you almost want to overpay for one if you can get one and let them grow into that.

But Lamar has played 10 of his last 22 games, something like that. And some of that, though, he may not want to play as, like, he was just only kind of hurt. And he's like, why would I risk hurting myself more in a contract year? But I would go, bills, jets, dolphins, Patriots, in that order with none of those teams,

sucking. And in the AFC in general, Kansas City, Buffalo, Riscency. I'm still going to go Buffalo for now. They have some big defensive guys as a free agency too. Cincinnati, and if Aaron Rogers is a top

five quarterback still, I believe it in all my heart. He was in, except for this last season, MVP the last two years before that. He had a broken finger. Almost got his team to the playoffs with nothing. He turned Watson into a star, a rookie star. So the question is

the Jets are going to be crazy good. The funny part is, Johnson & Johnson, it's a pharmaceutical, Lala, and Aaron Rogers's like, pharmaceutical companies are targeting me. He did say that. And so now Woody Johnson, the owner of the Jets, Johnson and Johnson and Aaron Johnson.

Oh, he's part of Johnson and Johnson. Oh, that's crazy. And then he'd be over there getting a check from Johnson and Johnson. That's crazy. That's the kind of story we need. I love it. All right, wrap it up, Mike. All right, we're going to bring in the studio one of my buddies.

Quinn, before I introduced you officially, I had them print off some accolades for you. Yeah, yeah, it's real good. There's only one line. But I made some other stuff up. That's what I'm talking about. So, oh, let me do a commercial first. That kind of works, right, Mike? Yep.

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Quinn was like my Arkansas football hero. I don't like tell him that anymore because now I just, like, crushed him a golf last night, like crushed him. I mean, it was, this is fake golf, but it was still golf. Right. So Let it all four years at Arkansas. Three-year starter, a quarterback, 89, 80, I don't know the years there.

He led the team to two Southwest Conference Championships. Two Cotton Bowl appearances. Only hot quarterback to lead in multiple cotton bowls. Named the Arkansas All-Century team. Let's see, Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame, Southwest Conference Hall of Fame. What am I missing here? The podcast you'd like to listen to. Oh, yeah, we had got there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we call that 25 whistles. Yeah, we talk about it. about that after we're done here. 25 whistles light. Listen, I do listen to the Razorback Daily every single day. Sometimes I don't in the middle of baseball season. Right.

When it's like... Me either. When they're like, all right, we're going to bring on the janitor for the track team. And I'm like, I know somebody's making them do that. Or like, hey, why don't you... But mostly, I'm in every day. Like, I love them. So check out the Razorback Daily.

My favorite was when they lost... They were eliminated in the baseball championship. tournament. And they were like, well, it's tough. Well, hey, the volleyball team's killing it, though. They did a whole episode on the volleyball team. Absolutely. Got a little. And he's also on the football broadcast for the Razorbacks.

When I first met you, you were on the sideline. That's right. And now you're up doing color. Yep. Right? That's what's called color. It's your color guy. By the way, Quinn, this is Coleman.

Coleman, I give you Coleman story. He's the guy. He's in his car right now because he's in New York. Can Coleman see Quinn? Right. They're behind him. Yes, I can when they pin it to him. So Coleman has been to how many games and how many days?

I have been to 81 games in 70 days. Actually, 82 and 71. 82 college basketball games in 70 days. On purpose? Yep. He's been to almost every mid-major there is. That's his thing. He's trying to find like the Cinderella.

Oh. And so he's been in here a couple times, but only when he was driving through, but he's a part of the show. And he reports back. And he was like, you bet all your money on Marshall. That's what he said to us. And then they lost. They're out.

Yeah. Eliminated early. Coleman's college basketball expert. This is Kevin and obviously, you know, Eddie and Mike in the room. Yeah, sir. So, yeah, just hop in. You're part of the group here. We're for sure going to talk about stuff.

But so Quinn was like, hit me up like two or three weeks ago. I was like, hey, SC tournament coming to Nashville. You can be there. Mostly we're not here. Usually we're on the road. It sucks. I'm always mad. And I'm like, I'm going to be here.

And so I was like, how many tickets do you want for the guy? I was like two, boom, gone. So I had him yesterday. I was like, I do not want free tickets, but I need two more. How do I buy them? So he helped me up, and that's how I was able to get two more tickets. So now Kevin's going to go. My wife's going to go.

So that's who you guys got to think. Okay. Thank you, thank you, man. Thank you, dude. I'm excited. We're in the Arkansas section, so you have to wear Arkansas. Of course. Got anything for me?

You good with it? Yeah, you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got something for you. Yeah, Woo Pig, let's go. I bring gifts. That didn't sound natural. I like the tribe, but it didn't sound natural.

I got something for you. I got something. Woo pig, baby, let's go. No, that doesn't, no, just. Woo pig, baby. Well, now you're just saying it lighter. Let's leave the baby out of it. Yeah, we'll work on it.

Woo pig suey? I took some friends that have never been to a racerback game. They're ones from Ohio, ones from Arizona, but they're married couple. And they were like, go pigs! That ain't how we do it. They're going to know. They're going to know.

They're going to know. I was like, no, no, no, no. Just follow along. So, all right, we're here. I do want to talk about North Carolina basketball for a second. So they might make it now. I think if they beat Virginia, they make it for sure. I think they might make it now.

What a terrible year for them. Especially when they're on the cover of SI. They go the national championship game last year. This Cinderella story, Cinderella-ish. What were they calling it? A seven-seed last year? Eight-seed. Do you remember? Eight seed.

Okay. So North Carolina, big one over Boston College. By the way, terrible game. It was a terrible game. I thought it would be a lot closer than that. Terrible and good for North Carolina. Sure. But they're playing number 13, Virginia, tonight.

And if they win this game, I think they're in regardless. And I think they're such a ratings getter anyway. And now the story is a ratings getter if they get in, that I think you got... Especially if there are no upsets in conference tournaments that eliminates somebody, I think they end up getting in. Coleman, your thoughts on North Carolina? I think they're going to have to beat Virginia

and may have to win another if they're going to get in. Here's the issue. Here's the issue. They are one in nine. Their one quad one win is at home over Virginia. Virginia's 30th in the net, which is the cutoff for a home quad one win. So if they beat Virginia, that previous win probably falls to quad two, and they would still just have one quad one win. I think they may need to beat Virginia and win another, but perhaps just beating Virginia would be enough.

And I think they beat Virginia at the end, and they are for sure in. And I agree with everything he says about quads and guads and 0.2-3. but also I know these executives these people send in this border room you need ratings and you're going to get it at first but you need the blue bloods

and if you can get a blue blood in you get a freaking blue blood in it's kind of the unspoken rule and it's probably even spoken a little bit and if they're right on if they're like should we or shouldn't we you know they're putting North Carolina in there I want to see North Carolina in there

because I'd love to see them either just get trounce the first round or win a few games I mean, anything that happens to them is entertaining to me at this point. So I think they might be in now. I think if they beat Virginia, they're in. Coleman thinks they might be in if they beat Virginia. And if they win the – they have to win just another game.

They have to win the whole tournament, do they? No, no, no, no. They don't have to win the whole tournament. They make the finals, I think they're definitely in. But, I mean, think of two years ago, 2021. UCLA played Michigan State in a playing game. In Dayton, Ohio, UCLA went all the way to the final four. I mean, who knows?

Maybe that could be North Carolina's story this year. You're absolutely right, Bobby, that the selection committee, the NCAA, would love the ratings increase on Tuesday and Wednesday in Dayton if North Carolina is playing. Can you everybody be watching? Of course. And that's where I'd put them. And I'd play in. How amazing would that be? North Carolina.

And they're like, we've got to plan to freaking play in. We're North Carolina. And it's like, yeah, you got to plan to play and be happy you're here. That kind of situation. It's like when your kids complain about food, be happy you've got food on the table. Don't complain about the Brussels sprouts. Some kids can't even eat.

North Carolina, some teams are at home. You know, shut up. What's Carolina's RPI? Who cares? I don't know. Coleman may know something like that. Coleman, do you know about what their RPI is? They were 49th in the net before yesterday,

so I don't know what they've moved to. That net is interesting because I think Arkansas was like, they've been sitting at 15, like 14. The metrics love your hog. Yeah, because, let's listen. Listen, we've played a lot of good teams, and they're not holding the conference tournament against us. We've played other games, other big games outside the conference tournament. So, I think we're 8 and 10 at conference.

But it's like they're still like you're in regardless of what happens, which is crazy. Because in the olden days, three years ago, if you weren't 500 in conference, you weren't even considered. Do you think part of that, though, Coleman, is because a lot of the mid majors are a lot weaker and the only team getting in from not even mid, but some of the upper but not power six. schools. Like, I can't see there being two teams from any of those conferences. I think the mid-majors have been hurt by this change in the last half decade or less to the net and quadrant system.

How much basketball do you watch Quinn as a football guy? I love it. Like all? I watch it all. How about getting a vasectomy the day before the tournament so you could watch the tournament? Even though you didn't really want a vasectomy? I think I'm a pass. Okay, just making sure.

I feel like that's pretty strong. I'm with them. Yeah, yeah. And you're here. and you're representing the university obviously but also here as a fan do you ever feel like you can't like passionately cheer because it might not look good for you

if you're upset while you're cheering or jeering and not yelling against the team but I get pissed sometimes and I'm like God damn and like I don't cheer I love the razorbacks more than anything

but sometimes I'm just so up I'm just distraught but I don't represent the university you do do you feel like you have to always smile even though it ain't going well? You know, I think my background plays a lot of a big part in that. Being a quarterback, I mean, I never, at the University of Arkansas,

I never really try to let my emotions show. And so my wife is like, show some emotion. But I'm like, I'm sitting there chilling. She's talking about relationship, buddy. She's not talking about getting. So at the games, I'm just the ebb and flow. I just chill out, so I don't get too high, I don't get too low. I know you get upset.

Man, I go both ways. And I don't, I have no emotion anywhere in my life except. Razorback games. Yeah, that's healthy. But I don't. I know, I agree. My therapist is like, you don't,

how do you expect yourself to experience highs if you don't experience, because I'm like, I don't get sad because I don't feel myself of disappointment, too much disappointment in my life

as my young stages, so I don't ever get sad because I'm just, I expect it. Yeah. But that keeps me from the hot, that being said, I get,

I'm like sick inside my guts when we lose. And I'm so happy when we win. It's really the only thing where that happens. when you would play when you were playing you weren't an emotion guy playing quarterback could you not be were you trained not to be trust me trust me i had i had emotions that would tap into what my team was dealing with i mean at the at the quarterback position you got to be able to look at those other 10 guys

and be able to assess where they're at and there'd be times where i'd have to get on people there'd be times where i pat them on the back so i mean it's the same thing you're doing in your business i mean sometimes you just got to be there for them and but the emotion aspect of it is I wanted them to always know that when I walked into the huddle, we were going to have a chance to win this game. We were going to have a chance to be successful on this play. And so that's really it. So I walked in probably with the same demeanor most of the time, 80% of the time, but there were times where you had to change that to get what you needed. You ever get to a fight on the field?

I ain't trying to fight. Well, I did get into a fight. One time we were playing against Hawaii. Where? In Hawaii. Okay. My freshman year. And there was a big defensive tackle guy named Al Noga.

Big dude. You don't want to mess with them small ones now. They'll get after you now. And so he kind of wrapped me up after a play, and I hit him in the stomach with the ball. And he slapped me across the face. And I made a different decision. I said, I'm going to go this other way.

I'm going to let you have this. And I mean, you know, I know I got help coming. You know how you know if somebody can hold everybody back and you can act like you tough. Now, there was nothing between me and Al. So it was, yeah, I was going to get it for a few minutes. So I decided not to do that. I decided to live and play another play.

Would you ever talk crap across the line of scrimmage when you were under center? Absolutely. But what would you say? How would you say it? Well, would they know it? Oh, absolutely. That's the only way to talk track. But you're under center.

You're like, all right, blue 50. And you would say what? Well, no, I wouldn't like in the middle of a cadence. Okay. You're not like, show of 56, talking to you. No, no. It would never do. I mean, you got to think about a lot of different things other than talking trash.

Now, after the play, before the play, trash talking was good. The one thing you don't ever want to do, though, Bobby, get caught under the pile. Because you're vulnerable. I don't know if you've ever been caught up under the pile. But I'm going to tell you right now, hands are coming under your face, man. Trying to scratch your eyeball. I mean, there's all kinds of dirty stuff under the pile.

I mean, you see people get tackled, people on top of them, the dude on the bottom. Yeah, he's dealing with some stuff. Quinn, they ever try to grab your... Oh, everything, yeah. I tried that last night. Yeah, yeah.

We weren't in a pile. We weren't in a pile of us. I was like, let me make a little feel of that. So, you don't trash talk across the line. You never would say anything, like if you're walking up to the line.

You're like, okay, 56, he's not good. We're going to go take him. Never, anything like that. Nah, nothing like that. I never really called anybody out like that. But I talked a lot of trash for a guy. guy that was back then 510, 200 pounds.

And you run the option. Oh, yeah. Ran it? And you always, if you're running the option, one of the options is you get hit. No, that is an option. I mean, that, that's going to happen. Getting hit is going to happen. When you run that wishbone the way we did it back then, it's like operating in the telephone booth.

You ever get hit so hard you didn't know where you were for a little bit? Prime example. We were playing, we were 10 and 0, playing for a conference championship against Texas A&M. We're in Fayetteville. We're on the right hash on the 27-yard line going into the north end zone. We call a sprint-out pass play. It's third and eight. And A&M had a lot of those linebackers that would get after you.

The wrecking crew is what they call them. And so a guy named Aaron Wallace, who's one of the best linebackers, was on the right side. And so I'm sprinting left. Aaron Wallace gets up up the field. I cut up inside. Three linebackers. I mean, three guys just absolutely crushed me.

I fall down like Apollo Creed and Rocky. You know, boom, hit the ground, fumbled football. I'm knocked out. And so Dean Weber, who was our longtime assistant or trainer, he said it's the first time in his career he thought somebody was dead on the field. I mean, I'm laid out. You know, like back in the old movies like Dragnet, you jump out of the win on. They put the white chalk around you on the field.

They could have done that on a 27-yard line for me. I mean, I'm laid out like that. And so they wake me up with smelling salt. That's what they did back then. And, you know, concussion protocol was completely different back then. Was there one? It wasn't one. By it didn't exist.

Your bell was wrong. Your bell was wrong. And so they wake me up and I look at Dean. I'm on the field. I say, Dean, what are you doing in my bedroom? He said, we're not in your bedroom. Oh, man. No way.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So they get me up. And we're walking to the sideline, and I'm concussed. I get over to the sideline. And so what they do is they'll ask you a series of questions to determine whether or not you're fit to go back into the game. So they asked me the first question, Quinn, what are you doing on this play?

I said, I do this, this and this and this. Hey, Quinn, what's your check on this plate? I do this, this and this and this. I'm thinking, I'm about to go back in this damn game. And I ain't got no business in this game. They asked the last question. They said, Quinn. who's the president?

I said, Jesse Jackson, took me to the hospital. You couldn't even, like that's the stuff you couldn't remember. Ambulance on the field. Wow.

Take me to the hospital. Now, see, I was trying to be forward thinking back then in 1989, bringing a brother into the presidency. You know?

Yeah, that's a good guess. Jesse might not have been the right. In existence, yeah. Jesse might not have been the right one to say, but, but actually,

I was just messed up. And so, yeah, when you get knocked out like that, I mean, it's a bad deal. It's crazy that you can remember all the football things, even though you're sideways in your brain. You have all that, you know, what play where to go.

But it's also like, name something that we all should know right now every single day, all of us, regardless of, and it's like, nope, don't got that. You're out of here. I'm out. I'm surprised you can remember that, though. Do you remember getting hit? It's bad. No, I don't remember actually getting it.

I was knocked out. I mean, when you see the hit, I'll show it to you. When you see the hit, I mean, those guys hit me. I was out when they hit me. And then I hit the ground, my head hit the ground, and then an A&M guy's butt rolled over the top of my head. So it was, yeah, I was... Well, I didn't ask about the part you liked.

I was talking about the part. He remembered that part. And his feet touched me, too. Do you, looking back, because I think you played against Troy Akeman in a cotball, right? Oh, yeah. When he was at UCLA? That's right.

Let's go. At the, he's a massive, massive Cowboys'clock. Let's go. Yeah, Troy. You got him, though, right? No, we lost. We lost 17. Nice shot at it.

I knew they did. One of the worst games of my life. Why? Really? Because we did not produce. So all week long, I heard all this stuff about Troy. And I mean, I knew Troy because he's from Oklahoma. I was from Oklahoma.

And he went to Oklahoma. I was in the stands the day he got hurt against Miami when he was the quarterback at OU and then had to transfer to UCLA. Jamel Holloway trots out on the field and takes over the job. They win a national championship. And the stands is in younger watching the game? As in a recruit. Yeah, as a recruit.

I was a senior. Yeah, senior. And so Troy was big. He did his thing. And I heard all week long about how Troy was going to be the number one pick and all this kind of stuff. And I was thinking, you know what, I'm just a little 510 quarterback. I'm going to show this cat up. That was my mindset the entire time.

Heard all week, Quinn, you got to have a balanced attack. Y'all don't throw it a whole lot. You got to have a balanced attack. I'm like, all right, I'm going to give you a balance attack. I'm going to give you a balance attack. Getting to the game, one of the worst games of my life, we have 42 yards of total offense, the entire game. So I get into the press conference after the game,

and they're asking you, how you feel? I said, well, all week long, y'all talked about us needing to have a balanced attack. I said, we had 42 yards total offense. I gave you 21 Russian and 21 pass. It's no more balance than that, right? So, y'all don't know as much as you think you should know. There's a whole lot more than just having a lot. balanced attack.

And, yeah. Was he legit in college, Troy? You could tell. He was, six, four. Yeah, it's a monster. I mean, at UCLA, I mean, blonde, good-looking cat. Yeah, he was on his way. So what did that have to do with him playing, though?

What's that? The good-looking cat, what do that have to do with him? Well, I'm just saying it just adds to it. Like, you know, like, they're like, that he's on his way. You know? All right. That's just kind of how it works. You knew that if he went to be that number one pick for America's team that

he was going to be in pretty good shape. And he's turned it into a great career. So you were a recruited Oklahoma? Oh, yeah. And was a Switzer recruiting you? Switzer. And what was that like? Was he big?

I would tell you what. Barry Switzer can recruit a shark to live on dry land. I mean, he's that good. I mean, he will get you to make a decision that you probably should not make. And so, a funny story. A guy named Charles Thompson, who was a quarterback at Oklahoma. Mike Gundy, who's now the coach at Oklahoma State. we were all at Oklahoma the same weekend

and Mike Gundy goes in to to meet with Switzerland first and he's in the office with Switzer and they're talking back and forth back and forth and Mike's in there five minutes goes by 10 minutes goes by it shouldn't be a long conversation and so he came out about 30 minutes later and Gundy was like white as a sheet

I was like damn Mike what's up bro he's like I committed to Oklahoma I said don't you know they run the wishbow? You are throwing quarterback. He said he wouldn't let me out the room. And so when I came back to Falling Week on my recruiting visit, when he called me in there for that little solo visit,

I said, come on, Mom and Daddy. Y'all don't come on in here because I am not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe. And so... Like, what was special about his communication, though? I mean, it's just the way he related. He related to the mama's first and foremost. He's going to get the mama. And he's going to eat. He's going to recruit. He's going to get the mom.

and he understands the fact that, especially back then, a lot of black kids, I mean, that's their opportunity. But he knew how to relate to him. He knew how to get them to the next level. And people bought into that. So Barry Switzer was, in a lot of people's eyes, an out, an opportunity to the NFL, something bigger. And that's what he did.

And that's why he had so many good teams. So why didn't you go play for him? Because I liked the situation that. Arkansas better. So I said I was in the stands when Troy Aitman got hurt and Holloway trotted on the field. I'm not afraid of competition at all. Holloway Trots on leads them to a national championship. If you got a freshman that's led somebody to a national championship, it's going to be very, very difficult to supplant him. And that was something that weighed in my mind. But when I went to Arkansas, the coaches, the players, it just felt better for me. And my mom said something to me

back in 1986. And I don't even know why she's thinking like this. But she said, Quinn, if you go to the University of Arkansas, I can just tell by the way these people love this program on the recruitment, we were there three days. She said, if you go to the University of Arkansas, you'll be able to provide for your family in a meaningful way. And when you fire 10, 190 pounds, you ain't going to the NFL.

You might go to the CFL and your check ain't going to come on time. I feel like that's a personal statement there. You just didn't make that up. You went to the CFL and your check didn't come on time. Check ain't coming old time, man. It ain't coming on time. So I was able to meet people and continue to build those relationships with the people of Arkansas. It's worked out.

I can't tell you how good it is to be here. I mean, Nashville hanging out with you getting ready to watch basketball tonight. There he is. Quinn. Wow. That's awesome, man. I love it. I didn't give it to him yet.

At the end, I give him his fly. Not yet. Okay, so we got SEC tournament tonight. We're all going. Yeah. Thank you, Quinn. Thank you. No, no, hold on, hold on.

I bought the tickets. No, but Quinn got the tickets. No, no, no. He got me tickets, and then I bought tickets for you guys. Yeah. But if it wasn't for Quinn, we wouldn't have the chance to. But if it wasn't for the hospitality at the University of Arkansas, he wouldn't even be here to begin with.

So that's what we should think from back and like, okay. Thank you both. Yes. Yeah, thank you both. Hey, Tom, Phillip Rivers ready to unretire. Come back. Philip Rivers. Come back where?

What do you think? He's not going to play again. Yeah, the 41-year-old, former Chargers and Colts quarterback, retired after 2020, was going to go coach high school. Did? He did. He did do that. I'm ready to give the NFL one more shot. He says he's in top physical condition.

He's back in a rigorous workout routine, has expressed his readiness to join a team should they need his services. He has already been in contact with the Dolphins and 49ers. I don't think, though, he's trying to go in as a start. I think he's just like, I'd like to play again. And if it comes to that, or if there's an injury, I'm happy to jump in and be kind of a stopgap in between you getting somebody else. And I also would imagine, Aquinas, you could probably speak on this.

Like, when you do something your whole life and then you stop, meaning Philip Rivers, that's what he did. Where do you play, NC State? Yep. So think about high school, NC State. The Chargers. Celebrated, celebrate, celebrated, celebrated. You're the guy.

You're the guy. All of a sudden, you're the guy that used to be the guy, but it's still cool, but it's not the same, and you're not getting that same competition. When you stop playing football, your final time, if it was your last Razorbat game, or when you stopped after the CFL, were you just kind of lost for a minute?

It's difficult. But the good thing about it is I had a mindset that I had a plan in place that I was really going to try to make sure that I was moving forward. I didn't have any grandeur. I didn't have any thoughts of thinking I'm going to be Philip Rivers. Rivers played a lot of years in the NFL, but for him to think he's going to, to come back, that'd be a bad decision for Mr. Rivers.

I mean, for both, the team and Rivers? I mean, he, yeah, that'd be bad. But to answer your question, yeah, I mean, you go through a phase where you try to figure things out. Luckily for me, I had broadcasting to be able to jump in and still travel with the team, be around players. That really helped me out. But look, you got 11 guys trying to kill you.

And when you 41, 42, is that it? Yeah. Yeah, Phila better stay on their recliner, man. I mean, that's what I would recommend. It's not, look, I know we played Madden before and those little electronic guys, they're getting hit. Hit stick, all that. Yeah, yeah.

Out there, it's real. It's like, when they get that 15-yard penalty, you get the 15 yards, but you still have to deal with the pain. That's a good point. I'm just like, oh, 15 yards, cool. All right, start over. Everybody feels good. Start over to the next play.

It's not like that in real life? I guess not. No. I guess not. Pal Gasol becomes a 12th. Aaker to have his jersey retired. Cool. I just think about Eddie and I seeing Palisaw in Pebble Beach hitting golf balls,

seven foot tall with really long golf clubs. And an athlete, but it's just I've never seen something so tall. It's like a big swing. It's just wild. It's like a giraffe playing golf. Like it's just amazing. Is it swing good? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. It's good. It was just real. It's just like, there goes the club. It's like TikTok. It's like a grandfather clock,

a massive grandfather clock like swing. And also, he was so tall that we knew he was somebody, but he didn't recognize him. He just blended in with everybody that was there

except for the tall part. We're like, who is that? Who is that? Oh, oh, goddance Paul Gassah. That's crazy. Powell Gazz.

So, but yeah. And he's, I think he's a bit overshadowed, even though he's a great. I think he's overshadowed by Kobe. And not in a bad way. Like it's hard to really be known as like that guy whenever that that guy is on the same team Yeah especially because he already played with Shaq too early in his career

So everyone always thinks he's a big man to Shaq I don't even think of him and Shaq playing together That's crazy I just think of him and Kobe But should that guy's number be retired though when you think about in the grand scheme Well that's what I'm saying like it's like I don't think of him as but I'm like I was looking at a lot of the numbers A lot of the stats even championships he's got every Analytic should Pippins be retired absolutely yeah But, you know, we think of Pippin is a really great Michael Jordan sidekick. Even though he was one of the top 50 basketball players of all time when they put the list out,

no one's going to go name the top 50 players, even 20 players ever, 25. You're not going to say Scotty Pippen's name, although he probably was. But he played Michael Jordan. So it's overshadowed so much. I mean, what does it take to get your jersey retired? I mean, just... Contribution? What's the contribution?

Is it wins? Is it titles? Is it... It's just amazing... Mostly titles, honestly. It's mostly titles. titles. You can also just be a big, big winner on a losing team. Like, for example,

Manning in New Orleans. The dad. Archie. I'm pretty sure his jersey retired, and they sucked. Oh, yeah. But he was just the guy. And, like, he was throwing for records, for team records. So, like, there's not a real answer. It's almost like how I got in the Illuminati. I don't really have a reason

that I can tell you guys for sure. It's the first time he's admitted this. No, I didn't admit I was making a joke. I was making a joke. I was making a joke there. But don't you think, though, like, the basketball Hall of Fame, there are guys that probably shouldn't be Hall of Famers in the Basketball Hall of Fame. And there are probably guys who aren't in that should be, but they were on bad teams. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Like Tim Couch is an example I use in the NFL. Had he not gone to the Browns? I think he'd probably been a pretty good NFL quarterback. I do. Yeah? Really? I do. And I think he went to a bad organization.

You don't have a chance. I think if you go to the Browns, look at Matt Stafford. He would have just been a guy that threw a bunch of yards. and never won with Detroit. First year he leaves. He was a Super Bowl. And he's old. He wins a Super Bowl.

Yeah, he's not even prime. He's old, Matt Stafford. And he wins a freaking Super Bowl. So, yes, I agree with what you're saying. Completely. There are guys that shouldn't be him because they were on great teams with great cast.

And there are guys that probably should be, but because they weren't in good organizations, they had no help. They aren't because they weren't nurtured and given resources. And I think about the basketball hall of, I think that that's the easiest Hall of Fame to get in.

And again, I don't know if it's with the number of players that actually come through the NBA because the roster size is smaller than most. But there are a lot of guys in there, in my opinion, that, like, that guy's a Hall of Famer? Really? Basketball Hall of Fame. You're just a hater.

You're just a hater. If you have that thought, that's a hater thought. No, no. I'm thinking, like, really and truly, when I think of Hall of Famers, I mean, it's somebody that really changed. I mean, like, Gassal's probably going to get in a Hall of Fame. Not probably for sure.

Yeah, he's going to get a Hall of Fame. And so I think the NBA is now the basketball Hall of Good. I think the NBA, the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, they also got to be the Hall of We've got to keep making money. And if you're not putting enough players in each year and you're not having ceremony and people reminded what city it's in, what town it's in, why you got to get tickets. Then the Hall of Good turns into the Hall of Broke and nobody's going. It's still a business. So sometimes you've got to make a Hall of Famer just so you keep everything going. So a prime example, like, Udonus Haslam for the Miami Heat, he's been there forever, 42 years old.

You guys play together, yeah. I mean, longevity is probably going to get him in the Hall of Fame. Longevity's important for sure because you're also able to build numbers. In my mind, you say Haslam, I think of playing in Florida. I think of him being on some good, I don't think Hall of Famer, but you can also convince me with numbers because I didn't see everything. but you're right it's put the hollow really good how about that

with the occasional great sounds weird but okay a couple things let me do let me do this I want to get to Coleman's interview in a second and then we'll give final thoughts here

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Oh my gosh. Bucky McMillan, I feel like he is a coach that in 10 years I'm going to be like pinching myself. I got to interview Bucky McMillan a decade ago. Now, he's from Birmingham. He played college basketball at Birmingham Southern, so perhaps he's a guy that will stay around at Sanford for a while. But I feel like the turnaround that he's had at Sanford, Power 6, programs are going to want him to be their head coach. And he's a guy that wins the right way that I think is going to be a future superstar in college basketball. Here he is. Here's Coleman with Sanford head coach, Bucky McMillan. Coach, take me through what pushed you into getting into coaching after your playing.

career at Birmingham Southern. I actually coach while I was playing, coach A.U basketball. And so I always tell people, you know, I'm a college coach now, but really my heart was maybe an AU coach before I was even a high school coach. And, you know, those are the days of 15 passionate rounds and 10-hour bus rides and, you know, being responsible for 15, 17-year-old kids at 21 years old. And I loved every second of it. Some of the most fun I've ever had was coached was first team I coached in AAU. So I did that. When I got done playing, I was that I already knew what I wanted to do was jump right into

coaching. What pushed you immediately into that to start coaching AAU basketball while you're in college? I just always loved the game of basketball. I put so much time into the game. And, you know, I just love being around it. Like, you know, everyone got to find their flow state somewhere and to get that adrenaline going and basketball does it for me. When you become a head high school basketball coach,

we're already thinking in your head of one day coaching in college. or were you just focused on the there and now? I never really looked at it to the next step of that. I just always, you know, when I was in my job, I just, you know, it's funny because I was looking at some of the high school stuff now. And sometimes when you're in it, it seems like it is your whole world. When you step out of it and you're able to look at it, it's like, okay, maybe it wasn't the whole world.

You know what I'm saying? And so whatever job you're in, I feel like you feel like that is your whole world. world. And, you know, this opportunity obviously came along. And right now, this is my whole world. Yes, sir. That sustained success. How are you able to keep it at the high school level for that long, that many state championships and competing at that level? We had awesome kids, right? We really did. We had really good kids and good players, but just really were made of the right stuff that equates the long-term winning. It's not a coincidence when you see some of these programs, even in college, that have those 21 seasons every year,

you're going to find out that they're usually high character people. They're unselfish people. They work hard. All those intangibles, because they're different between a lot of the college basketball teams is like that much. Right. You know what?

It's really like that much. And so what separates, really what separates is, how does a team, how do players, individuals handle when things don't go their way? That's really what separates. How do you handle it when it doesn't go your way? And if you have the right people,

they know how to handle that. They're not going to quit on you. They're going to keep playing, and they're going to persevere. And that's the story of our season this year, right? We had a good start. We had some injuries. Went through the losing street, but we had the right people that could turn it around and persevere. You had an unconventional route for most Division I coaches. What was it like getting your name thrown in the running for this head basketball job coming from the high school ranks rather than working your way up as an assistant through college or something like that? It's good question. I've been asked that. I've always

number one believed to myself so you know I always I'd always knew that an opportunity of basketball regardless of the level I knew I could be successful but you know it's an honor because

this place is you know five minutes from my house right right it's got an incredible administration it's got an athletic director that's phenomenal we've got a presence that is great so if you could have drawn up a place to go from high school to college

and I'm actually, I live in Mountain Brook. That's where I coach high school basketball. And Sanford's actually closer to my house than Pounder High School. So, you know, that's like a dream situation. Absolutely. And then to be here with the people here, and the people here want to win. If you look at it, Sanford, we won in the football this year, the conference championship. Won it in women's soccer.

One in a volleyball, right? Minimally we're coach champs right now at the league and men basketball, right? So it's a school that wins, and so that's always good. Absolutely. Coach, you talked about a little bit of adversity, right, facing adversity and how do you respond to that? Your kids have already responded very well to that when you saw it in late November, early December, faced some injuries, lost seven straight basketball games. Yet despite that, you're 21 and 9.

How do you get the guys to rally heading into conference tournament play after seven straight losses? I think the focus has always got to be on getting better. if you focus on winning or losing and that's the end all then you're going to become complacent when you win right and then sometimes when you lose

you don't have the right attitude that we got to get in the gym and continue to work because you're down on your focus on your results you can't focus on your results even today we play firming it's going to be about how we play right like if we play well things take care of themselves

you can play well and lose but you know you got to strive to play your best at all times and do you get better. We want to be better next week in the conference tournament than we are today. Wouldn't be better today than when we're last game of Chattanooga. Yes, sir. I think if that approach is permeated throughout your program, then the pressure of winning and losing isn't as great.

And so when you go through adversity that people would consider adversity, which would be losing basketball games, you're still focused on doing the right things to right the ship. Let me ask you about a little bit more adversity than that, just one bad stretch through the season. What about in your first year, six and 13, so many issues with COVID, in your first year after having all the success that you've had in high school, what were the lows of that like? And how did you propel the team forward to that next year already get a 21 season? I actually think we win now and we won last year because of our first year. I really believe that.

sometimes when a program gets going it's not the year it got going there's something in the past that you may not know at the time was a reason that you program won whether it can be for anybody be dismissing certain players that can hurt you short term

whether it's you know doing certain things that are going to be a negative short term for you but can be a positive long term and are you willing to do it are you willing to put the program first are you going to put the team first right are you going to put the individual first It's always got to be, you've got to make the best decision for the program first at all times.

And that way, the team that is currently playing can flourish, and individuals can flourish if you have that mindset. But when you kind of get that order flipped, the best decision right now for this team is to do this, irrespective what the program really needs, you know, we're going to play players who haven't acted right, done that, just to win a game. What happens is you can't have a successful program.

You just can't happen. I love that. And so I think if you make every decision that way, and essentially what we're talking about is making a long-term decision, then you can have long-term winning. If you're going to make short-term decisions, you make a short-term win, but you'll never win long-term, right? And so for us, we wanted to build something that is sustainable.

And I think you see that when you have that, your teams are always going to improve. And last year we did the same thing. Like we won like 10 over last 12. We won 15 and over last 17 this year, hopefully 16 over last 18 after the day. But, you know, that's what a program is. Not a team.

It's about a program. You've utilized the transfer portal very successfully. Two of your five leading scorers, Logan, AJ, were a part of that six-win team. The other three have been guys that you've been able to pull in from the Transfer Portal, two of them from the Power Six ranks. When you bring in a guy like Quez Glover from Florida, who averaged 19 points a game last year, numbers are down a little bit this year, but clearly critical to your team's success, even in his injuries.

How quickly did you know, wow, we've got a special talent here when he arrived on campus for you. I knew Quez Glover was a special talent well before he arrived on campus because we played against him in high school and had 28 points on us. When I was coaching high school, he was playing at Beard High School in Tennessee, and they won the state championship, and we won the state championship, and we met and we played a game of Mississippi. And I remember the day before the game, I'm looking at his tape,

because it's a non-league game and all that. So I'm like, so you don't spend a ton of time on it, but you look at the day before. And I'm just calling me. I said, I said, I started the Texas. somewhere. I'm like, who in the world is this guy? This guy's unbelievable. And so we go out there and have 28 points on us,

I remember it. And so it's funny how you remember things and how, like, things intertwine. Like, I don't remember a lot of players off other teams. They just not, me. I usually forget that. I don't remember the details of them after the games playing. Right. That always stuck with me. It always stuck with me. You know, sometimes to make

things happen for reasons, stuck with me, and then we ended up united, and, you know, he's had a great career here so far. He had a knee injury, that he's had to overcome. And, you know, he's, but he's as dynamic as anybody in the league when he's helping. Yes, sir. Last question for you here, Coach.

What would it mean to you being a guy coaching here in Birmingham to lead the Sanford Bulldogs to an NCAA tournament? I mean a lot. You know, it would mean more if we get the NCAA and we win some games. Yes, sir. So that's kind of really what we want to do. You know, we want to play our best basketball. If we play our best basketball, I think anybody in our league, that gets to the tournament has a real chance to win.

The Socon doesn't play just to be there. If you look at the last couple of years, all those games have been single-digit gang, I mean, right down to the wire. We look at teams in our league of the lead eight. Right. And people forgets to have Curry playing this league. Right.

So, you know, it'd be a great deal. But, again, we just got to focus on a week in control, which is playing our best and hopefully we play our best today. You're going to see this that for people that don't know, I'm really glad you're here, because people don't know what we have going on here. When you don't fill this in this building right here, right? You don't feel mid-major places, and sometimes there's mid-major places out there where their facilities are so big. There's people there, but you don't feel it. Like, we're not about to fill this.

And that's what I want people to know that in the middle of Alabama, which people perceive as a football place, right here, we have Auburn, who's the top basketball team. We have UABs playing great. you have Alabama who's the top two, three team in the country, and then now you're going to see this with us, who's right in the first place of their league, and you're going to feel that this is a basketball state just as well as a football state here in Alabama. Yes, sir.

I got goosebumps hearing that coach. I can't wait for tonight. Thank you so much for your time, wishing you and Sanford best of luck the rest of the way. No doubt, man. I appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right, Coleman, appreciate that.

Hey, speaking to coaches, you guys see where Ole was talking to Beard? Like he's out of Texas Now he's talking to Ole Miss He's just think about Ole Miss They don't care They just want to win They're like yeah

We don't care We have no integrity And his charges are dropped So and there's nothing on his record right As far as The charges were dropped Yeah Yes dropped

And you felt like Texas felt the pressure that even though They were dropped Since it happened under their watch They had to do something Correct If I were Ole Miss I would go

I have no shame either Bring back Petrino After Pittman leaves Oh, man. Once Pittman goes and decides I'm done after we went some games and went on Bobbjee, let's go. Bring him back, baby.

I was like, why are we firing him? Waggie left, whatever. He can stab anybody. But anyway, if beer goes to Ole Miss, that's bad for the SEC. He's a really good coach. He can plead turn Texas Tech around, went over to Texas.

They were all, they're still awesome. Yeah, they're good. It's his team. Please don't go to Ole Miss. Hire Bucking-McMillan, it's an end to Sanford, is what I say. That's what I say about that. Let's do final thoughts.

And my final thought is going to be what I mentioned at the beginning of this. Thank you for reminding me. And I will go last. Eddie? Oh, Tiger, Tiger, Tiger. Maybe you can shed a little bit of light on this. But his girlfriend breaks up with Tiger, and now she's going to the courts trying to get his NDA nullified

because there's some bad stuff went on in that relationship. Yeah. So she needs the judge to say the NDA no longer holds true because of what you're claiming, which I think is like sexual assault. Correct. I think that you may look up the exact terminology, but there's something like that. Like it's sexual harassment is the exact terminology? Don't know exactly what it is.

You think it's harassment? That's what it said. We looked that up because I definitely don't want to be wrong about this, but go ahead. A question. I just don't know, is that even possible to get an NDA nullified? Yes. Rare, but possible. So when she dated, just to understand.

What do you see, Kevin? No, nothing yet. I was wondering what an NDA is. Oh, that's a great. thing to ask. I'm not married, so I don't know. No, no, it's not a marriage. It's a non-disclosure agreement. Oh, okay. Like when, and just being completely transparent here,

if people come and work at my house, like they're doing work inside the house, they sign NDAs. Okay. So they can't take a picture or anything. They can't talk about stuff. Just because I've had so many security issues, like, we'll end-a, like after we leave here, I'm NDA Quinn. You're good. Just for no reason.

You should. I saw a look at his eyes. I just want you to sign this paper. It'd be funny. I'm down. All right. Go ahead, Eddie. Yeah, just question, because I don't really understand. So when they started dating, Tiger's like, I've been through a lot of crap in my life. A lot of people like to talk bad about me. So before we do this, sign here. And you can't talk about our relationship ever.

Correct. And now she's trying to get rid of that. What do you have? Both of them. Assault and harassment. So the judge would have to say that he thinks probably there's enough evidence in the sexual assault or harassment for it to be lifted. He's not going to lift it just because she wants to say. some stuff. But probably it's a, let's talk about it privately. What's the deal? He has to make a

decision. And if he feels or she feels like of the judge of man or woman, I don't know, if they feel like that this agreement being lifted is for the victim, that happens sometimes and it should happen. You know, there were times with other folks, famous people, where they're like, we need to initiate lift it because we have charges we need to press. And the judges will do that at times. So if true, bad news. Yeah, we'll see how this plays out. I'm not jumping on that. It's true.

I'm not jumping on that. It ain't true part. But we should wait and see how it plays out because it's easy as members of the media, if that's what we are, to just pick whatever narrative sounds most entertaining and run with it. And so we try not to do that.

Unless it's got feet in it, I'm not going to run with the narrative. You know? You love feet. You know? I love people to love feet. I personally don't like feet at all. and I don't get why that's all.

Mey-Han loves feet. Like, all hot to people. According to this podcast. So what I hope happens is the judge is able to speak with her, hear her story, and if he feels like that that's true, that he's able to lift that. All right. So it is a possibly sad story or bizarre story or, I don't know. She wants a lot of money.

So there's always that element as well that's in it. You hope it's not true. Honestly, you hope nobody got sexually assaulted and nobody got sexually harassed. but you don't know that that's not true. So that's probably what's going to happen in my short legal career. Hey, thanks for clarifying that. That's not really clarifying.

It's me giving the best interpretation of a version based on any NDAs I've had to give people. You read the story and I'm like, I don't know what a lot of these words means. Well, I'm glad you asked about what NDA was because that's common. Yes, you were lost. Kevin.

Thanks for the clarification. Mine is on now Jaguars wide receiver, Calvin Ridley, just got reinstated this week and he came out with a column on the Players Tribune. I don't know if you guys have read it at all. I thought it was awesome. If you have not. Admitting.

Like really come in like, my bad. I did wrong. Yeah. Highly recommend you read it all about his upbringing. And then I didn't even know his house got broken into when he was in the NFL. And that's why he kind of got down on protecting his wife and his kids. Like, how can you not love that? So if you haven't read that, I highly recommend it.

It's just you don't know what you don't know. So stop acting like you know what you don't really know in general. That's good stuff. Like in general, we all do it. I do it too. We all, oh, I know, I know. It's another example. you have no idea what's happening with folks,

except for what they're showing you or what other people are showing you that sometimes I don't even want shown. You have no idea. You have no idea what's happening in Eddie's life. Yeah. Except what he's giving you. You have no idea.

You have everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yes, you don't know what you don't know. And I read that too, and I was like, one, he did not try to run away from any fault. Right. Because he gambled, right? That's what it was.

Did he get busted? I mean, that's why he was suspended. On an app, too. And his name was like, Calvin early 68. And it's like, well, duh, that's you. Put your name on it, dude.

It really wasn't that, but it was. So, yeah, you just don't know what you don't know and stop acting like you do because it's hurtful to people when you do that. And I try to be better at that. I'm not perfect at it. You know what I really go back to is the Duke LaCross rape story. Oh, man. So many times.

And that's been so long, they were eviscerated because of what was supposedly them raping a girl. and turns out it wasn't true. And their lives were turned up. And I think about that a lot whenever we talk about stories like this. Where it's like, sure, I have opinions on what I think of. That my instinct is stupid when it comes to stuff, I don't know. So.

Mantitea was crazy for me too. Me too. Godday. I saw the Netflix show and I was like, I hated that I was like making all those jokes about that. Me too. Michael Irvin's going through a lot right now too. And they've seen the video. His lawyers saw the video.

And it's like, show the video. We did nothing wrong. Now, I haven't seen the video, and that could also just be in his lawyer, posturing. I don't know either way. But the lawyer's like, I saw the video. You're nothing to see here. Let's go. So, yeah, you don't know what you don't know.

Stop acting like you do. Coleman. My final thought is if there is an ORU with St. Peter's, a Florida Gulf Coast, in this NCAA tournament, it is the Colgate Raiders. I watched them punch their ticket to the NCAA tournament last night. They are a veteran team. They move the basketball ridiculously well. There has been no team.

that I have had more fun watching in this entire journey than the Colgate Raiders because of their unselfishness, the way they move it and the way they shoot the basketball. They are a dangerous 15-14 seed for any two or three. So say it again. Who is it? The Colgate Raiders. Making sure we got this on file here. Because last time I put all that money on Marshall.

Me too, man. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't. But Coleman did give me four bets and one day on this show and all four of those suckers hit. And I made a ton of money. Furman, baby. Let's go. Herman.

He was like. The paladin. He was like. for them too. Quinn, he hit. He said, they're going to cover minus four and a half. He said they're going to win by seven, eight, or nine. The margin.

He nailed the margin. He nailed every part of the game. And he went four for four and they hit him. The next day I said, give me another. He goes, I just want to retire 100%. I said, I respect that. Quinn, he even hit that the final score combined score would end in an odd number. Well, half time.

Wow. I better wrong. That's me messing up, but he still hit it. That's crazy. Okay, thank you, Coleman. Final thought for me. I've got into this survivor, like the NFL league that I did,

where you pick a team every week and you move along. Yes. So I got into this again, and each entry was $100, and I bought five entries, but it only happens when the NCAA tournament starts. And so you can pick a team, and if they win, you move on, but you can never pick that team again for the whole tournament.

Now, if you guys want to get in with me on one of my selections, I will let you for $50, and then we can pick together. But just, we can do one. We can do all three of us. We can just do one as a group for $33 each. If we can just agree on one? Yeah, we'll agree on one, and we'll do that the whole time.

That's what you want to do. Okay. Do you want to do that? Yes, I love it. Okay. All right. So I'll do that. Whenever the picks come out, we'll all decide and we'll do that.

And then we'll make more smiles and frowns, maybe. If Arkansas makes it, is it going to be Arkansas? It's up to you. Yeah, it's going to be hard to argue. You can only pick them once. You can't pick them again. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, same thing as the...

Yeah, so if you pick... North Carolina, and they win. Well, you can never pick North Carolina again, regardless how far they go. So there's that. Quinn, give us a final thought for the day. Final thought. I'm glad to be in Nashville.

Yes, sir. Hanging out with my boys. Glad y'all, you're treating me with a lot of hospitality, and I'm glad y'all are coming to Bridgestone Arena tonight to watch those Arkansas Razorbacks play. So that's my final thought. My final thought is, with y'all in the stands, we have a chance to advance

and that's what I hope happens. Well, Quinn, hey, thank you for getting us those tickets. Shut on. Thank you, Quinn. Why do you do that? All right, thank you guys for listening. Eddie, whistle us out. We'll see you guys on Monday or Tuesday.

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