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Episode Date: April 24, 2023

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And we're going to say them all. Yeah. We're going to say every word, that he puts in his guide coming up. Glad everybody is here. I am as sore as could freaking be today. And I live a little bit sore. I'm going to start with this.

I live where I'm always kind of sore in my hamstrings because I work out. And he's been on the show before with Kevin Klug. He is my trainer. He's pretty hardcore. And he has a company. It's called Clug Fitness. I have six vans that drive all around Nashville.

And he has trainers to go out and train people. And I'm fortunate enough, that Kevin trains me and he only goes to the house of a few people anymore because he's running a business more than he's training folks but he comes over and he has his van it's full of stuff he unloads it's a squat rack it's a dumbbells it I hate the freaking sled I hate the sled he puts the 245s on it and then he stands on it so he has all we're working we're going hard right we go out in my front yard and we just kill it unless it's raining and we go up to my gym and then we kill it but that being said we're always getting in the legs and I'm always sore because it's always something new with the legs. I'm not sore because of him this time. And it's been a long time that it's been me being sore and not because of him. A couple things that I did. First of all, there's a class called Body Rock.

Now, how would I explain this? Because I asked my wife what it was. I said, is this Pilates? She said, no. She said there are some similarities, but it is not Pilates. There was a method, and I guess still is a method that she would do when she was in California you called the Legree, I believe is what you call it. And it's like super weighted.

She hates for me to call it Pilates. I said, is it Pilates? She said, is it running, walking? I said, no. She goes, and this is not Pilates. I said, okay. I said, it's a derivative, though. Running is derivative of walking.

She goes, fair enough. So imagine Pilates, but much heavier, much harder, much slower. I can't even imagine Pilates because I didn't know what that was until I did this body rock. You're on this machine, throw all these springs.

you're pushing and pulling and putting your leg out. Mike, when I say Pilates, do you know what that is? Not really. Me either. Just think of an exercise class. Yeah, it's a big machine. It's like a big machine you get in and do all this stuff. Kevin, you ever done Pilates? I have not. Do you see the machine?

I know what it is. Yeah, I know what they look like. Megaformer. Oh, that I've done. Yeah. When have you done that? Well, your wife and I went to a class in California. Okay. Wow.

That's what it is. So this is like that kind of class, and that was pretty hard. it. Yeah, that was pretty hard. Yeah, it works out all kinds of muscles. God, dang. So I'm so sore because there's one thing where you put your foot in a strap and you're holding the thing and you put your leg out and like the sides of my butt are still on fire. The side of my abs are on fire. And these are muscles that I'm sure I use, but I don't just dial in on them. And I'm just like, so I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so then I take Ella out for a run, the dog and she loves to sprint immediately. And I'm prepared for that.

now and she takes off sprinting and my foot hit the ditch real quick and I strained my calf is my right calf or it was strained and just was hurting for like six months it still hurts now it's back it's back it's guess who's back back again my calf strained is back it hurts so I'm telling my friends and so that hurts and then yesterday okay I was like you want to go to this class that shocks you and I was like what do you mean a class that shocks it she goes where you put on the suit and it shocks the piss out of you. And then apparently it activates the muscle groups. So it's like, I wish I knew what it was called.

And I was like, ah, I guess. And so you know what we do? We go and show up. And apparently it's FDA approved because they said, they told me, I don't look it up. I just trust anything. Yeah, like if I die, I'd be in shocked to death. No, I didn't sign that waiver exactly.

But Mike, what do you see? I just see like some kind of EMS work. Workout? Electronic muscle stimulator. That's what this is. But there's a company in town. Look, type Green Hills workout shocking. And I bet you come up with something there. It's called like Umerv or Umerv.

Regardless, I go in, I don't know what to expect. You do sign some papers. And they say, put this on. And I'm like, what did you? I'm like over my clothes. I'm like, no, going to the dressing room. And I don't like my weener and my wits touching clothes that I don't own for the most part. And obviously these have been worn by other people.

Washed, but worn by other people. And my wiener and my wits, I don't really, again, I don't really like them touching things other people's weaner and wets have touched. Because all my underwear, they've only been mine. That's good. No one else has worn them. That's good. And so I go and I put on these clothes and they are tight. it's like tights long sleeve tights pants down to the ankles you find it mandu that's it yeah

ems fitness yes ems fitness so i put this thing on i walk out and the guy goes i'm going to spray you down with water why why are you going to spray me down the water well because and i don't remember what he said but something about the shocks work better with water or it doesn't burn you if you're wet. Something. I'm going to be awful a little bit on this, but they have to spray you with water so it doesn't like burn you when it shocks you. So I'm like, okay. Caitlin is too. She's like, okay. And they go, we're going to do they get to know you. It's three minutes long. And there's a big machine. And so me, I'm already a little uncomfortable nervous. I say, hello, machine. I'm Bobby. I'm an Ares. Doesn't get a laugh. Try to get to another machine. They said, no, no, no. We need to put

all the equipment on you and see how much you can take in each area. So they put this thing. It's like when I did breaking Bobby Bones, I would take, and I would pull the, like the, you step in them. A harness? Yeah, that's what it is. It's like a harness. But it's got all these little shockers on it.

And then I put on a shirt, top vest, arm thing. I look like I'm Terminator 2. All these shockers are in it. I'm like, what has happened? And they go, okay, let's do this first. Let's do your quads. And then he's like, it's on one, bro.

I was like, oh, I know, it just scared me. It just scared me more than anything. and so he's like can you take this take the it goes up to 25 so i got to like 17 or 18 i've got oh hold on right there right there right there go to the next one all right this is going to be your glutes oh oh oh oh oh to the next one all there's like eight body parts nine body parts i'm not sure and so i got a 25 on a few of them i could take max and so katelyn who has her pain tolerance is the greatest i've ever seen of any human being in the history of human beings she's 25s across the board so i'm like it turned me up too then

Never mind, never mind, never mind. So, yes, turn them back down. Because I mean, she's 5, 8, 5, 9, 112 pounds, and just taking the shocks. Is she looking at you? Like, you can't take this? Oh, yeah, she makes fun of me all the time. Yeah, yeah. And so we get to know it.

Three minutes. We do our thing. They shut it off. They go, okay, well, this next workout part of it is going to be maybe it's 15 minutes, maybe it's 12 minutes. So he gives us little balls and it gives us weights. And he's like, so. They'll be like five seconds on, five seconds off. Maybe it could be 10 seconds on, 10 seconds off.

And so he's going to quads first. So I have the weights and he's like, okay, go. And while it's on, you have to squat. So it's that while you're squatting. It's stimulating all the muscles while you're working them. It's wild, man. It's wild. And so I'm going.

I'm starting to like sweat out of my forehead. And I don't know it's because I'm getting pissed shocked out of me. It's literal pee coming out of my forehead. Or if I'm really like burning. extra amount of calories. Look some of that up, Mike, what the research on that, because I'm going to come over to you for a second.

I'm trying to figure out what the benefit here is. I know. I think it's just pain tolerance. Yeah. I think they get some, like, enjoyment out of this. So it doesn't really hurt. It just kind of scares you.

So you ever do the thing where something, if it has a shock on it and you grab it, then you grab your friend's hand and the shot gets passed all the way through. It's kind of what it feels like. Or it's kind of, if your legs asleep real bad, it's like just tinct, but it's like that, but it's like that on you.

So, What I learned was, though, you can't lock out because it'll just hold you in that position. And so, like, don't lock out, whatever you do. Like your knees? Yeah. Or my arms. Okay. Because you can't bend them or anything.

Because it's just shocking. You can't, you can't get any sort of elbow. I didn't know that. And so I'm, I live locked out, awkward and locked out. And I'm like, I can't do it. I mean, I have turned it down. So he turns it down. I'm like, well, I don't feel it now.

He's like, well, don't lock out. I'm like, oh, got it. So now I know how to do it. It's more like nine minutes in. only have like three minutes left of this whole thing. So I finished the last 30 minutes, and they do like my butt and my back and biceps and everything else. And you take it off.

And I mean, I was drenched. And I told Caitlin, I said, I'm sweating all over my body. I don't feel exhausted, but I just feel like I've been through it. She goes, bro, they sprayed water on you before they started. You're wet. I was like, oh, that's right. Sorry, I forgot about that. I thought I was sweating all the time.

So much has happened since then. Yes. and so then I took all the equipment off. I changed out of my clothes, my tights on top and on bottom. And they did like a little test where you stand on the scale and it tells you how tall you are, how much body fat you have, all of these things. And not so much to say good or bad,

but to just see if there's improvement in the areas you want to prove it if you go back. And so we got like some sort of protein cooking, and we left. And I was like, that's an interesting. new novel experience that I really wonder if it works. I'm not going back today because I say don't go back every day. May go back tomorrow.

Not sure. I need to do some more research, which leads me to my point here. Always do research before instead of after. How long were you there from beginning to end? Well, we had to the intro part, right? So we had to like talk to the guy and he was the only one there. Nobody else was in there.

But they only have two machines. So they have to schedule it. and probably 45, 50 minutes. Okay. Total. I think you could get in and out in 30 if you needed to, but we did a bunch of stuff where he was just kind of walking us through,

he sprang us down, letting us know what was going to get to know you. Hey, I'm Bobby Menary. He's like long, you know, you don't have to do that normally. But it was interesting. I felt a little sore my biceps from it, but sore from the rocket Pilates,

body rock, whatever you call that. And my calf hurts because, well, I'm getting older, and my dog ran me into a ditch. So that's how I see you today. Mike, what do you find about this? They say that the main benefit is like building muscle. You can also reduce some back pain,

increase your metabolism. So, I mean, that's what you do when you work out, right? It's like getting an intense workout. But who's they? This company's website. Yeah, I hear you. If that's all it takes to be ripped, I'll be there every day. And I guess because you can do it faster,

they have it as low as 15 minutes you can be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I come in just jacked, that's because I'm getting shocked every day. I'm in it. I'm going. I'll probably go back. I'll probably go a few times, see what's up. The first one was free. I don't even know how much it costs. Does they have a price on there, how much those shockings are?

I'm sure that, because I think they were going to want to sell us a package when we left. And before they even got to that, I said, hey, guys, this is great. But I need to do it like three more times before I feel like if I want to buy anything. So I kind of cut them off there. Because obviously their goal, if you're in there is to not just sell you one. It's to sell you, you know, whatever a month. Whatever? So that's all right.

I don't even care, Mike. But if you find it, you can let me know later on, unless you have it now. I didn't get McCarty card or anything. I just see the first one is free. That's true. That I can attest to. It was free.

So that's where I am today. I'm hurting everywhere. Been shocked. Been body rocked. Been sprayed down with water and got run into a ditch. But God dang it, I'm here. Dang. And it's time now for the Tiddle Tattle.

It's time for the stupidest name ever. It's the Tiddle Tattle. After Curry's Bonehead Time Out, the other day, what is your most memorable sports blunder? By the way, it was Chris Weber part two. I mean, Steph Curry is a super cerebral guy. And when he called time out, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how many times it's the word.

I'd just expect him to. I guess I can look on the bottom of the screen is they had all the dots there, where it tells you how many timeouts the team has. Yeah, but it's crazy that he didn't know how many timeouts they had because it was him. Had it been Draymond Green or Jordan Poole, I'd have been like, oh.

Although I think Jeremy Green is actually a really smart guy. He just doesn't play it. Agreed. But he called it with 40 seconds, and they were up five. The Kings almost came back to win. They had a shot to win it. It was off the front of the rim, I believe. Yeah.

From like the left three-point elbow. I thought it was in. I mean, it was on. It was just a little short. Biggest blunder. The one that I know, I don't remember it live, but Boston Red Sox, Bill Buggner. Yeah, I knew you're going to say that.

First baseman, went between his legs, ruined his whole life. That was a bad one. Chris Weber, Michigan, Final four maybe, National Championship game. Yeah. I kind of lose where that was exactly. But I was watching that game. Me, when I was a captain, my senior year, I went out and I remember before I left. Left the locker room, the field house.

Coach said, we're going to stop him. win the toss, play defense. Let's go, let's stop them. I say, no problem, let's go. I go out. Captain, coin, they win the toss. They're like, we're going to receive. They said to me, all right?

That's not how it went. I got to remember how this goes again. Hold on. They said, I don't even know the story anymore. All I know is we kicked off twice at start of the game at halftime. They said, oh, they deferred is what it was. They deferred, and I said, we're going to play defense because that's the last thing that I remember the coach saying, said, we want to stop them. So since they defer, they deferred to after halftime.

And so they got the ball twice. Twice? I said, we're going to play defense start the game, so we did. And then we also played defense at halftime, after halftime, because they got to pick at halftime. It's so stupid. My coach said to me, you're the smartest guy on the team, but that's the dumbest effing thing I've ever seen. He yelled it out loud. I felt like everybody heard it.

Tell him, coach, just reverse psychology here. Come on. Reverse psychology. We lost by six points. Oh, no. Yeah. We didn't lose many games that year. We lost by six.

That was the idiot who did not know how to do a coin toss. I didn't get to call the coin tosses the rest of the year. I can understand that. Stay to captain, but did not get to call the coin tosses the rest of the year. Yeah. Stupid. All right, next up. You got C.J. Stroud and his testing the other day,

he scored an 18%. Do you remember your worst grade that you've ever gotten on a test? I don't know that it was a test that I got a bad. grade, but the only B that I got in high school was in a typing computer class. It's the only B I got. I got two of them, but in the same class, because I couldn't freaking type fast enough or couldn't write fast enough. Asd F, JKL, semicolon. That ain't right. Is it? Asd F. JKL. C.K.L. Semicolon. G.H. J.K.L. Semicolon. Yeah. See? That's why I got to be.

You got to be right there. Yeah. And then in college, I got a, I got a C in French. the only C I got. That's tough. And I begged for it. I went to my professor and was like, bro, I ain't ever using this. Never.

I only took it. It was the only foreign language class I could get into. I wanted Spanish. But I took French. I ended up taking a lot of French. But I was like, you got to let me out of this.

You got to just give me a... I was an honor student too. And they were going to take away my honor's scholarship if I made a D or an F. So those... I don't remember getting a bad grade on anything, but I remember struggling

through French and struggling through French struggling through the computer typing class. But no like Fs. I was always pretty good and pretty prepared because I knew I had to have good grades to get out of school. But it was shameful to watch me

going to my French teacher. And beg for that C? Hat in hand. We, we. I've tried. I've tried. I promise. I just, and I'm never going to use it.

You got to help me out. You're going to ruin my. And he didn't say yes. All I know is I had to see. I don't know if I deserved to see. Did you have to do any extra work or no? Nope, because he didn't want to act like he could... I gotcha.

That he would allow me to do that. Or that he would allow the fact that I would come in and ask for it, and he would grant it. So I don't think he wanted to show that you could just go in, say, I need some help, and him give you help. So, nope, I didn't. I just know I got to see, I'm going to tell you right now, I don't think you're like to see. Yeah, next up. We got the transfer portal being big news, and I was wondering, as an Arkansas fan, if you could transfer to another team, who would it be?

That's interesting, because I don't like anybody else. but if I had to pick, I wouldn't go to like a big established winning program because you can't have to be born into it or you're a chump. Or you end up going to school there. Yeah.

Or you're a chump. So I would go probably be a South Carolina fan. Okay. They haven't won much. Love their coach. I think they're on the up and up. I think that fan base appreciates the small,

servings of winning they've had and I think they're ready for more. So I'd play some Beamer Junior ball and go over and be a South Carolina fan. I like it. But I would not go to a program with a lot of winning just because I would feel like a cheater. I did see that

Colorado receiver. I saw it on Instagram last night where he's like, I'm out thank you. Why did he leave though? I know he had a huge spring game. Six passes 168 yards. It was like a full 100 yard touchdown, 90 year touchdown? Do we know why he's leaving? No, he just announced on his Instagram that, hey, I'm even entering the portal.

And usually that means, though, that something ain't going right. Like, they're not getting playing time. Right. But he's getting playing time. There must be, like, a relationship thing there, and it wasn't going well. And he put up a bunch of numbers on ESPN, and some coach called in and was like, hey, we'll take you over here. Yeah, but I would think Dion's going to make sure anybody he wants stays where he wants. That spring game was sold out, too, and it was snowing.

It was snowing in the spring in Colorado, and it was packed. It was awesome. It was really good. that is the tittle tattle. A reminder, the 25 whistles is brought to you by Draft King Sportsbook. Download the Draft King's app, use to co-Bobby Sports. Get in on the action. We got bucks

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Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio app. Open the app, search NFL Daily, and listen now. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars,

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I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the IHeart Radio. video app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, next up we have Dane Bruegler from the Athletic. Dane is known for having the most comprehensive draft guide there is. It's called The Beast. It's 401 scouting reports.

Almost 1,900 players evaluated over 300,000 words. You can find his latest seven-round mock draft on the athletic right now. I mean, this guy wrote his first draft guide at 18 years old. He was inspired to be an NFL scout as a teenager. The great thing about this, too, if you want to go check it out, You can use it for fantasy football as well for rookies. So here we go. Drafts this week.

Here he is. Dane, how are you, buddy? Good. How are you? Hey, pretty good. First of all, I'd like to say I actually pay money for your work. So I'm in. Yep.

I'm in. Let's go. I'm a subscriber. Love it. Yeah, I thought you'd maybe make you like me a little more, you know? Got a little money every month going on over. Hey, let's talk about this because here we go. And there's a couple different ways to talk about it.

And I was looking at your first round, and obviously we know the quarterbacks are going to go. But let's start with the Cardinals at three. Do you think they ended up trading that pick before the draft because somebody wants that third and fourth quarterback right there? I think there's a good chance they do, but not until we find out what happens at one and two. You know, I think that's where the intrigue is. The closer we get to the draft, I think the better we feel, Bryce Young, Alabama quarterback, will be the number one pick to the Panthers. but that's where the intrigue starts at number two.

What do the Texans do? I think from the outside looking in, it's easy to say they need a quarterback. But this is a first-year head coach, a new coaching staff. They don't feel pressured to force a quarterback at number two. If they aren't all in, universally 100% believe that quarterback is the pick. And so the intrigue starts at two. And let's just say they don't take a quarterback. Let's say they take Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson, the top non-quarterback on their board.

then the Cardinals are sitting pretty at number three with only one quarterback off the board. Their phones will be ringing. And it could be the Colts making a move just one spot to ensure they get their guy. Could be the Titans at 11 looking to trade up and get the quarterback of the future. So a lot of intrigue with the quarterbacks.

That is what's going to command the talk all week and then up until the draft actually starts Thursday night. Why for a bit after the Panthers traded for that? number one spot, was it so heavy C.J. Stroud? Just for like two days, it was, they're for sure going to take C.J. Stroud. Even the odds reflected that. What was that quick hit and why did I switch back? With Bryce Young, it's just tough because we've never really seen a quarterback like this. The moment he's drafted, he will be the smallest quarterback in the NFL. And so he's a complete outlier size-wise. And, you know, talking with Panthers head coach,

Frank Reich at the combine, he flat out said it's a concern when talking about Bryce Young and the size. And this was before they made that move. And so I think you look at C.J. Stroud, 6-3, 215, a very good pocket passer. You could look at C.J. Stroud and say, okay, he's the one guy that everybody in the room is going to agree on. But I think with Bryce Young, if you can get past the size, everything else you love about him, the instincts, he plays the position like a point guard, creating space for himself, the vision to see the entire field is outstanding. A common theme among the best quarterbacks in the NFL is the ability to create. And I think that's the big difference between these two quarterbacks, C.J. Stroud and Brayshund,

Bryce Young, it's second nature to him. It's very natural for him to move the pocket, buy those extra half seconds, allow routes to come open, anticipate those windows, and then be very accurate with his throws, where C.J. Stroud wants to live in the pocket. That's where he is at his best. And there's nothing wrong with that. But in today's NFL, you have to have some element of creating. And I think that's where with Bryce Young, he is just a little bit different.

He has some magic acts back there in the pocket. So if you can get past the size, Bryce Young clearly, in my opinion, the best quarterback this year. Yeah, the size, though, I mean, that's such a massive part of it. You know, as he moves pockets, and I'm a massive SEC guy and watched Alabama play a lot, he almost has to move the pocket. Like, he's so good at it because. he has to. And I don't know, maybe

a Kyler Murray, you know, we could talk even Drew Breeze even. Has there ever been a coach who then decides to build their team a bit differently, meaning we don't want offensive linemen that tall because our quarterback isn't that tall. Would that be a consideration for once you're building that offense? I don't think so much the offense,

you know, that the personnel, the offensive linemen you're having on your roster, I think more so the play calling, no. I mean, having designed runs or designed, plays. So the quarterback is getting outside the pocket. So you're talking boots and naked and doing these things to get him on the move where he has clear passing windows. And I think the biggest concern with Bryce Young with his size is not necessarily the height. It's more so his slight build. Because this is a quarterback that welcomes the chaos. He has no problem standing tough in the

pocket or outside the pocket and allowing a defender come bearing down on him because he knows that extra half second will allow a route to come open. And so he in the NFL where everything's just a little faster, guys hit a little harder. He's going to have to take better care of his body. He weighed in at 204 at the combine, but it's, you know, not a mystery. He didn't work out or do anything. And then at the pro day, he did have his position workout, but he didn't weigh in. He's going to be around 190, maybe 195. That'll be his consistent playing weight. We just haven't seen a quarterback like that. Even, you know, your Russell Wilson, your Kyler Murray's.

Those guys are around 210, closer to 215, by the time they fill out. Bryce Young just doesn't have that type of build. This isn't a case of, oh, well, he'll get to the NFL, put on weight. He just doesn't have that type of body type. You have to be okay with him being a little bit smaller, and it's really more about durability than the height issue with him. So one more question about Bryce Young. And when it comes to quarterbacks with Frank Reich,

you know, I read the story about all the quarterbacks he's ever had, that started for him were just massive dudes, six four, six, five. That's what he preferred. That's the only way as he's been a coach that he has used quarterback. So, I mean, even I guess as a coach, you kind of have to kind of reorganize how you're going to run your own offense if you bring in a quarterback like you've never had before, right? You scheme completely different.

Yeah. No, no question. I mean, you have to have an open mind to what the college game is giving you. I think in an ideal world, you're drafting. you know, a guy that looks like Troy Aikman, but he's got better mobility, he's got this arm, and, you know, that's great. But, you know, how are we talking about air raid Texas tech quarterbacks before Pat Mahomes? You know, it's just these guys don't work, they don't translate.

But then a guy that's just a little bit different, he's the way he's wired, the way he plays, you know, what does Patrick Mahomes, he's different. And so he ends up being a first round pick and, you know, the legend is born. With Bryce Young, yeah, ideally you want a bigger guy the way, that we want our offense to run. It's someone that can, you know, looks like Ben Rathesburg, could shake off contact. But Bryce is just a little different.

And the way that he plays, it's such an intangible position. You know, we've seen Jalen Hertz get that big contract recently. And above all with Jalen Hertz, the intangibles that he brings to the field and off the field in the locker room, that's a big part of his success. Bryce Young is wired a similar way. I mean, just with the way he carries himself. the toughness, the competitiveness, the intelligence, the processing. So I think that you're willing to sacrifice the size for a special talent.

And I think Bryce Young falls in that category. I'm going to spend some time on the quarterbacks. We'll go to C.J. Stroud, who will be the second quarterback off the board, most likely, unless somebody falls super, super in love with Anthony Richardson. But with C.J. Stroud, I think I saw a tweet yesterday. And I don't know if the tweet's true or not, but it goes to a bigger question than I have about teams or people wanting to diminish players so they can get them. And C.J. Stroud, the story was he was supposed to show up to the Peyton Manning Passing Academy and did not show up. It kind of ghosted it. I don't know if you've heard that story.

I don't know if it's true. But my question is, is this a common thing where people are saying stuff about players so they will fall more and possibly fall to them in the draft? I mean, we knew about this last summer. It wasn't a big deal then. It's not a big deal now. Teams have certainly known about it. You know, unless we're talking about a gas mask, Laramie Tunsell type of situation, you know, teams know what's going on. And so nothing that I say or any analyst out there says is going to affect how teams rank these players. You know, with CJ, he's not a perfectly clean prospect by any means.

You know, he has his areas where teams are a little concerned. But above all, I think you feel great about his floor as an NFL passer because he's so clean from the pocket. His ability to read free and post snap and then his anticipation down the field, the ability to throw a touch and touch up every level of the field, be accurate. Now, I think he was he helped by Ohio State's offense with the, you know, two tackles that will be drafted, one in the first round, one in the second round. It's a really an amazing cast of wide receivers. Last year, 2021, when he had Crystal Lave, Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith, and Jacob, this past year, Marvin Harrison Jr., were in this draft.

He might be the first non-quarterback drafted. He is that good of a player. Now, so you have to try and scout CJ independent of all of that, plus the scheme and the offense that he played in, which is not always easy to do. But I think you feel good about his floor as an NFL starter. And then can he be creative enough? I think that's, like I said, the big difference between Bryce and CJ.

Can he develop, you know, as an improviser using his legs? We saw that a little bit against Georgia in a, in the college football playoffs where he played his best game on the biggest stage against the biggest defense or the best defense. And you have to be encouraged by that, no question. But ultimately, his NFL ceiling will be determined by how he can develop as a creator in the NFL. Colts of four in your mock, Anthony Richardson. And, you know, I watched him play at Florida a lot. I watched him early when he was like, this guy's going to win the Hizman.

Then I watched him middle and late. They're like, this guy is not good at all. So I've got to watch the whole rise and fall. And then in the workouts, him, his throwing, he looks like a line. Like I've seen the whole picture with Richardson. But when I see the Colts and Anthony Richardson is such a raw, he will be such a raw NFL quarterback. And if he goes to the Colts, I feel like they're going to want to play them quickly.

I feel like a team that would have a more established quarterback would be a team that would go after Anthony Richardson. Do you think the Colts are going to go for? Richardson and then just grab him and throw him in the fire? Well, that's the question. Because I think Anthony Richardson's a player that you want to sit and develop a little bit. But at the same time, he needs to play. That's how Anthony Richardson is going to get better.

And selfishly, that's why I hoped he returned to Florida for another year, so he could get better and work through some of these things. But I don't think that him sitting and watching film and reading the playbook, that's not going to help his accuracy become more consistent. Actually, being on the field, playing with the one. getting those live reps. That is how he's going to get better. And, you know, we have to remember he's just 20 years old.

He didn't come from a big time high school. So it's not like he's been groomed for this for a long time. Only 13 career starts. He was below 500 in those 13 career starts. But he's a total freak show as a talent. When you talk about over 6, 4, 245 pounds, outstanding arm. You know, if you take his best plays, he looks like an accurate quarterback. I mean, he has a lot of good tape out there.

there, you know, throwing the Utah tape, the season opener last year. But to your point, it was a roller coaster with him. There were several times where he's missing open receivers or he's not hitting, you know, the ball placement is not there where it needs to be. And there there are little things, like hitting a receiver on the right shoulder on a slant. If you hit him on the opposite shoulder, it's a, the defender's going to be right there. It's going to be an incomplete pass or a stop right there. You hit him on the correct shoulder, all of a sudden, that five-yard pass is turning into a 12-yard gain, maybe even more. So some of the little things, the details, there's just a lot that Anthony Richardson doesn't know at this point.

And so I think as an organization, you have to be comfortable with the timeline that Anthony Richardson gives you. And maybe the Colts are, maybe they're not. Remember, the Colts, they have a first year head coach as well. Chris Ballard, the GM, you can say he's maybe on the hot seat and maybe he wants someone that is more NFL ready. But you think about what head coach Shane Seichen when he did with Jalen Hertz in Philadelphia, it'd be awfully fun to see what he could do with an Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis. The Seahogs have their guy, at least for the next couple of years. I think we see that.

But one pick back, if Anthony Richardson's available, is that something you can see Seattle doing and just going, yeah, you're a guy, but not right this second? I would be surprised just because I think that they really feel like they have a chance to go for it here with Gino Smith. But you know what, they have two first round picks. So they might see this pick as being, you know, house money. And, you know, what, let's take our quarterback in the future right here and put them in a good quarterback situation. where, you know, we don't have to put him onto the field before he's ready. So I don't think you can completely rule it out, although I would be surprised that the Seahawks dropped a quarterback at five.

And you could probably say the same thing about the Lions at six. They also have two first round picks and conceivably a quarterback in place that they feel like they is good enough to win with and Jared Gough. But how often are you going to have a chance at an Anthony Richardson, you know, a guy that you can draft and develop? up. And so, you know, the Seahawks at five, the Lions at six, two really interesting landing spots. And then even the Raiders at seven, Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, is he going to be able to play a 17 game schedule? You look at eight with the Falcons, you know, Ritter is a fine, you know, he's going to

his second year now. Desmond Ritter from Cincinnati, a fine quarterback. I don't think they believe he's the future, though. The Falcons, if they have a chance at one of these quarterbacks, could they make a move? And then I mentioned the Titans. The Titans, the Titans. The Titans have made a lot of calls about what it would take to move up a little bit. And, you know, that's not completely uncommon. You know, you always try to lay the groundwork for potential trades. It doesn't mean they're going to make a move. But they've at least examined the possibilities if they want to go up and get one of these quarterbacks.

Speaking of the Titans, you have Levis going to the Titans at 11 and your mock. Have teams fallen out of, I won't say out of love, but have they fallen less lovey with Levis over the past few weeks? You know, I wouldn't say that. I mean, I would say that what he did this past year were certainly not, did not live up to expectations. And, but I think that an important thing when you talk about quarterbacks, a guy like Will Levis, you have to separate the reasons from the excuses. And with Will Levis, you think about what he lost from last year.

He lost the play caller, Liam Cohen, who left last February to become the offensive coordinator of the Rams. He lost his top receiver in Wondell Robinson. He lost three-fifths of that offensive line. And then you also factor in that he was hurt most of this year. I mean, people don't realize he was getting shots before every game just so he could go out there and be a functional player. So all these things combined. And then you factor in the tools are off the charts physically the way he's built.

He's also extremely intelligent. The toughness is outstanding. A lot of teams are going to want to work with that. They're looking at it and say, yeah, I wish he was more consistent. Yeah, you know, I wish you saw things a little bit quicker. But the tools that he offers, both physically and mentally, if we get that type of talent with our coaches, we feel like we might have something special down the road.

So I think Will Levis still really well-liked among NFL teams and why he's still slated to go somewhere in the top 10 picks, even though that senior year did not go quite according to plan. Do you think Hendon Hooker slips into the back of the first round? There's a good chance. And I think a big part of it is that fifth-year option because with a guy like Hendon Hooker, probably taking a redshirt year that first year.

So if you lose that year, getting that the fifth year option really helps you recoup a year with Hinden Hooker coming off the ACL injury already 25 years old. And he's coming from a system that we haven't, you know, it comes from that Ark Ryle system where we haven't seen quarterbacks really make a smooth transition to the NFL where you're going from half field reads to full field reads. You know, you're going from an offense in college where it just spreads out the defense, creates a lot of open holes in coverage where everything's a lot more condensed in the NFL. So it's a projection. I think he's a second round player, but it would not surprise me at all if we end up seeing him in the first round, especially for a team that wants to get that fifth year option. Maybe we see a team, like if the Colts don't draft one at four, we can see the Colts trade back into the first round.

Maybe the Seahawks. Several teams could get back into that first round in order to get that fifth year option. Jalen Carter falling in your mock, obviously the recent controversy, the very sad story. you have him at nine, probably a top three pick, if not? I mean, like, how much money do you think he lost from this? And do you think that the bears are the first team that kind of need that tackle and also are willing to deal with whatever baggage comes with drafting him? Yeah, and it's a complicated prospect to talk about because based just on talent,

you can make the easy argument. He is the top player in this draft. He, every team wants that interior disruption. You know, edge rushers are great, but if you can get that disruption up the middle and really force quarterbacks to really think that's coming and have to move different ways, that's what really gets quarterback shaky and off their game. So his block destruction is phenomenal. It's power, it's quickness. It's a skill level where he's still young and he's still figuring things out, but he still shows a very high skill level at defensive tackle. So based just on talent, you're drafting this guy in the top three.

no doubt. Now, factoring in the off field, the maturity, that's where the question marks come in. And maturity is not guaranteed as we age, as we get older, especially in the NFL where big contracts are involved, you know, a lot are put on these guys at an early age. It can be tough for some guys to really manage everything. And with Jalen Carter, it's a big risk, big reward type of pick. I think he's going to end up going somewhere between picks five and pick nine. So you look at the Seahawks at five, the Lions at six, the Raiders at seven, the Falcons at eight, and then the Bears there at number nine, which team in that five-pick range has the infrastructure in the locker room where they feel like, you know, we can bring in a player like this and, you know, he's going to fit what we're doing and what we're building.

And then also be able to take that type of swing because this is a home run swing with the Jalen Carter. But he's too good to fall too far. I think someone will end up taking that swing somewhere in the top ten. Two more questions about the draft than a couple other questions. As far as Will Anderson Jr., I mean, it looks like that guy is ready to go. Like, he looks like you could plug him and he's going to be ready to go next year, and he's just going to be a great edge. Well, the difference between Will Anderson and Tyree Wilson,

is there a distinct difference in the two that would easily make Will Anderson, the junior? I've also heard his dad, his dad's alive too. But Will Anderson, Jr., that first non-quarterback off the board? Yeah, like with one guy, Will Anderson, he was the guy the moment he showed up. He's the first linebacker to ever start for Nick Saban as a true freshman. This guy was producing at a high level from the get-go. At three-year junior, 62 tackles for loss in 41 games. I mean, the production is just off the charts.

Six, three and a half, two hundred and 555 pounds. At the very least, like, it's hard to view Will Anderson be a bust. You know, at the very least, this guy is going to be a starter for a long time. at the best, he's going to be in Pro Bowls, win all pros. With Tyree Wilson, I think there's a little more fluctuation with the different outcomes of what could happen. Because he is, talk about Tulsie, a guy, six, five and a half, 275 pounds. The arms are almost 36 inch arms. The wingspan is huge.

A really good athlete for that size. He can win in different ways, power, quickness, scheme versatile. You want him lining up as a five technique, a four eye. He can do that. You want him dropping in space. He can play on his feet. But this is also a fifth year senior, a guy that's older than Anderson and didn't really, didn't consistently put up that production you would expect for a guy with his talent.

So for a guy that played at Texas Tech in the Big 12, why only seven sacks this year? You know, why not producing at a higher rate when he was younger? You know, sometimes the light bulb doesn't come on for guys right away. Sometimes it takes time. But for a Tyree Wilson, you love the traits, you love the tools, a little more of a projection. For me, I'm going to take the guy that I saw produced day in, day out, and Will A Anderson at Alabama. And I think both teams agree with that. I want to go to Bejon Robinson, my final question about this year's draft and then

move to a couple other things. But Bejon Robinson, the only running back on your first round mock, I'm not only running back on really any mock I've seen, period. You know, now, why draft running back in the first round? They're just easily replaceable. But why Bejan Robinson? And why so high in the first round? I mean, in the top 16 picks here. He should be a top 10 pick. Bejean Robinson is that type of player. He's that good. There's a lot of discussion about running backs when it comes to the draft.

And honestly, I think we've kind of gone too far, in my opinion. These guys aren't paid that much where you can't draft a running back in the top 10. Now, signing them to that second contract, that's a different discussion. That's where we can get into, like, is that worth it? You know, is that a smart business move 100% on board with that. but a special talent like a Bijan Robinson who as you know talk about the balance the quickness for a guy that size his ability to create on his own whether it's with power whether it's with elusiveness he can do that at a big time level and then also forget forget the running back tree as a route runner he could run the wide receiver route tree line them up in the slot line him up out wide he'll run the post he'll run these different routes catch the ball away from his body and do it at a high level so I would have no trouble drafting a Bja Robinson in the top half of round one. And I don't think you're going to regret it.

And it'll be interesting where he ends up. You look at Philly at number 10. Dropping him in that offense would be so much fun to watch. But the Eagles traditionally not a team that drafts running backs in the first round. You know, where is Bejohn Robinson going to land? There's not a lot of obvious landing spots. But at the same time, he's too good to fall too far. So he's going to go somewhere in the top 20 picks.

It's just a matter of, you know, where. is that end up going? Could it be the commanders at 16? Could we see a surprise team, like the Patriots or someone swoop in there? He's too good to fall too far on draft day. NFL draft 2023, The Beast. I mean, it is, guys, I'm telling you, it is, it is intense. It's everything you want to know. It came out April 10th, but it is hundreds of scouting reports. 1,900 players evaluated. It's 300,000 words. I mean, I wrote two books and together, Those books did not. I don't know if it's 300,000 words. I'll be honest with you, Dane. Like, this is a lot of work you've put into this. And there's a seven-round mock draft on the Atlantic.

By the seventh round, you're just guessing. Well, no, I mean, you try to be, it's educated guesses. Put it that way. You know, you try to, you pay attention to 30 visits. You pay attention to who's talking to who. You know, certain teams have certain trends. You know, they go for high upside edge rushers late in the draft. Or they want their backup quarterback. You know, so you pay attention to all these things and try to be a, as realistic as possible. And so, yeah, I mean, people, the feedback on the draft guide has been great. Yeah, no other draft guide out there has testing data from all the pro day and combine data for almost 1900 players.

But, you know, it's in there. And so you want to know my top 350 wide receivers in this draft, you can find those. And so over 400 reports and people have really enjoyed it. And it's a resource guide above everything else. Whether you agree with my rankings or not, you have this by your side during all three days of the draft. be disappointed. He has so many wide receivers that I'm at receiver 322 and I haven't played since my senior year in high school. So like he's so in depth. He's done his homework so much.

Hey, listen, I, I'm not going to tell you how I feel about this. I'm going to ask you because you will know more about this than I will and then I will either be proven right or wrong. But when it comes to Tim Couch, do you feel like if Tim Couch would have been in a better system that he would have been a better organization, I should say? Do you think if he'd have been given the tools been in a better organization, that he would have been a much better NFL quarterback with a lot of longevity. 100%. It's funny you mentioned that.

That is the draft that made me fall in love with scouting and evaluation. A 13-year-old growing up in Northeast Ohio, the Browns are coming back as an expansion franchise and trying to figure out who should be that number one overall pick. It just was fascinating. And, you know, that was the Browns in 99 were one of the worst expansion franchises. you've ever seen. They just did not have talent on that roster to support a quarterback. And then it didn't help that they just did not draft well. Courtney Brown the next year, Gerorg Warren, the next year, you know, passing on Ladani and Tomlinson and all these talents they could have had.

But not having the offensive line help specifically, that Tim Couch, if he goes to a different, and I always love to play this game. It's, you know, if the Bears drafted Patrick Mahomes that draft 2017 instead of Mitchell Trubisky and then Mitchell Trubisky goes to the Chiefs with a better infrastructure Andy Reed running that offense. How do we look at those two careers now?

Is Mitchell Trubisky still with the Chiefs? It was Patrick Mahomes able to overcome all the challenges that he would have faced in Chicago. Is he that good of a talent where it didn't matter? He was going to be able to overcome that. And it goes back to Tim Couch.

If Donovan McNabb was the number one overall pick to the Eagles or to the Browns, Tim Couch went one pick later to the Eagles, which had a better, better set up, better team. They were in the Super Bowl a couple years later. How are we looking at those two careers differently? So it's always fun to do those sliding doors, the dominoes. You know, so much that happens in the draft, you know, one little decision can change the trajectory of all these different careers and teams. And it's kind of fun to look back at it and kind of wonder.

I'm a big Tim Couch advocate when we talk about quarterbacks that were way better than they were allowed to be. I'm always like Tim Couch got screwed. If he'd have been on any other team, it'd have been a whole different story. And mostly I'm laughed at and told to leave the room. But Dane, I'm going to save this clip and I'm going to play it every single time I get into the Tim Couch argument. Look, here's the deal. Everybody, a resource guide is an excellent, even with fantasy football, which is coming up and everybody wants to find the rookie. You want the day.

It's all here. So for the draft, the timing is here, but also for fantasy football. go his Twitter as DP Brugler will post it up there in our notes and also the Beast, that's it. You guys get it. Hey, Dane, I'm a big fan of your work because you put a lot of time and effort into it. You're very

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Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks to Dane for coming on with us. Great interview. I'm sure we'll be doing more draft all this week. It's big. One of my friends texted me last night, something completely different about something else. And at the end he was like, happy draft week. That's how you know you're hardcore.

Love it. When it's like a holiday. It's like, happy draft week, buddy. So I will be most interested in where Bijan goes because there are some where he's as high as 10 because he's so good. But there's also the running backs aren't valued like they used to, but he also can catch the ball. ball. He can play, as they talked about, he can play a receiver. So B. John's interested to me, but then, like the C.J. Stroud stuff, because now, even this morning, I woke up and saw that the Texans will probably draft an edge guy. Yeah, I always wonder, especially

draft week, what's true, what's not, who's trying to get stories out there, maybe they want to trade, move back, move up. That's why I just, this whole week is going to be crazy. I agree with all of that, but if you're sitting at two, you almost don't have to do. that because you can have whoever you want because Bryce Young's going one. So at two, it's not like you need to hide your pick. If you're at three or four or eight, I can see you kind of putting up a smoke screen. But at two, not so much. Because who's going to move up?

The Colts, maybe? Yeah, but where are they going to go? Maybe to three where Arizona's pick? Yeah. Because the Texans are two, right? Yeah. Well, let's talk about this. It used to be the Wonderlich test.

I know, where'd this test come from? It's a different test that all the guys in the draft are going to the NFL. They all take it. And it used to be called the Wonderlick. Don't know if it's the same deal. I know it's the same concept where they take a test. You see how smart you are. And there you go.

And I guess they publish the scores. But if I'm a dummy, I ain't taking the test in the same way that I wouldn't run at a pro day or at the combine. Or if you get to pick your own terms, I'll take the test, but I'm going to have somebody with me. to help me with the answers. Well, CJ Stroud had terrible results. The S2 is a battery of tests intended to gauge how quickly and accurately a prospect processes information

in a chaotic environment while ignoring distractions. So apparently they put a shocking suit on you. You took it. Yeah, they shocked the piss out of you, and then they ask you questions. The scores for the top quarterbacks. Bryce Young, 98%.

That's extremely high. Will Levis, 93%. again, extremely high. What I read is they like it at about 80 and above to be somebody that's almost in this world a sure thing. Obviously the athletic things, that's not in this part of it,

but like sure thing mentally, can they, if they don't understand now, can they figure it out soon? Anthony Richardson scored a 79, which is good. Hendon Hooker of 46% and CJ Stroud at 18. You got to 18. Who do you think he is?

Me and Computer Glass? what the crap CJ Stroud needed to go to my French professor and be like bro you got to give me a higher score you got to let me through this As agent needed to do some more work 18

I would have done everything I could to make sure this didn't get out and I'd be so mad at whoever this Bob McGinn of Go Long how does he have the scores Bob? How does Bob have all this power and also reach out to Bob

and say I don't think I did that good Bob if you're going to put them out this is what they do with tabloids Hey, I'll give you a great story. I owe you one, a big one. You just keep this under wraps for now. I can't believe it. 18%.

That's terrible. Yeah. That's the worst one I've ever seen. Well, this test is new, though. Yes. So I shouldn't say that because this test may be a little different than the Wonderlook, which is like the straight ACT or SAT type test. I think this one, I don't know what the factors.

They say in a chaotic environment. Again, I don't get that. We're shooting with paintballs while you're taking the test? What does that mean chaotic environment? It's shocking you. But CJ Stroud, they're saying because of this, he could fall a couple spots. I saw him a different mock this morning. Again, it was Bryce Young, Will Anderson,

it was the defensive end from Texas Tech at three, and then the Colts are at four, because Arizona has that three pick. The Colts are at four, and they had them taking CJ Stroud. They would be so happy, I think, if you fell to them. I mean, he fits the Colts because they make some real dumb, dumb decisions sometimes. Mm-hmm. That's true. I just don't trust the Colts.

Then they got very fortunate in getting Peytonning, and then Andrew Luck. Yeah. Because Manning was hurt, and the Colts sucked. So they got Andrew Luck, and then Manning ended up having to go away because luck was the guy. 18%.

That's just wild to me. Another thing was the clocks will run after first downs in college football. I don't like it. You don't? I love pitch clock. I don't like this role because I like the games to last longer.

Because you're a big college football guy. Yeah, and there's just more action. Now, I'm a baseball guy, too, but there's more action in a college football game than there is a baseball game. And so I'm cool. It's, I did a little investigating. It's going to save about seven plays per offense per game.

So 14 plays total. So it's not completely revolutionizing it. But I don't like it in the NFL when they don't stop. It's somebody's trying to make it. There's a comeback after. Yeah. It's like, like, why don't the stuff to go? Yeah.

I like to give him a shot to get set up there. But so the NCAA approved rule changes that will allow the clock to run after first downs and all divisions except division three. Allowing the clock is expected to reduce the number of plays. Oh, there it is.

By average of seven per game. Boom, I saw that and I happened to remember it. Look at that. The clock will continue to stop after first downs during the final two minutes of each half. Okay. That's good.

Okay, I didn't. That's good. Then I'm into it because the NFL doesn't do that. Yeah. The NFL just runs. According to statistics, the average game takes three hours in 22 minutes.

I like it. It's three hours, 22 minutes of like action, though. That's the difference in baseball in college football. There's always plays being run. There's always people hitting each other,

throwing running. Fine, whatever. Four lines players, including 2020 first-round pick Jameson Williams. They're suspended. Different suspensions. Three players were suspended for the whole season, and I believe the Lions already released them.

Yes, they did. They were like, what are we going to do? Out. Yeah. Goodbye. So Jameson Williams has to is six games. Now, he didn't bet on football.

He actually just bet from the team facility. So you can't do that, apparently. Even if you have Drive King Sportsbook, but if you play an NFL team, you cannot bet from your team's facility. Not even just that. You can't bet on the team bus. If the bus is traveling down the road

that is not connected to the team. Sounds like bull crap, if you ask me. All these stadiums have places you can go in and bet now. Yeah. They have, basically kiosks where you can go get your draft king sports book on if it's legalized in the state. Yet a player, if not betting on football, can't bet. Code of conduct by the NFL. Pick your NFL pick aside.

Specifics on where these bets were placed have not been released. I don't feel guilty because he knew the rules. And if you know the rules or the rules have been stated and you break them, you do serve the punishment. But it does seem a little bit hypocritical that you can bet on games in a stadium. but if one of the players doesn't bet on the NFL at all, but bets from the locker room or the bus, that that is against the rules. I think they're bad rules.

I think he did break the rules. It is enforced in a way that is probably accurate, but it's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule. I did watch the Lakers in Memphis as a late game to start until 9 o'clock. I just wanted to see what LeBron would do. and LeBron didn't score 40

and he played fine but the Lakers jumped out I think the Grizzlies only had nine points after the first quarter Yeah nine points It was ugly fast How um Rory Hotamura Hotamura

God dang he Every time he got it he shot it And he made a lot of them And he's big I would imagine Hachamura is like Six Six six six Six six

Oh, at least. I mean, as soon as they would get him the ball, boom, gone. He was nailing him, too. Six-eight. Yeah. I know he's that big. Hachamura's awesome.

Not really, but he's a really good role guy. And I think he could be a, I think the Lakers can, I told you, I think they can get there. I do. I stand by it. But Dylan Brooks sucked. Awful.

And he punched LeBron in the balls. or slapped him in the wiener. He was acting like he was going for a ball because LeBron was coming up court with it. He was going to act like he was trying to hit the ball. I mean, it just so happened. He grabbed him right in the wiener.

And he twisted. And he pinched. Nobody like he was going for the ball. But it wasn't. Why do these players love hitting the nuts so much? Everybody's not hitting the nuts. You see Joel even kicked that guy in this? Nuts.

Hard nuts. Everybody's going full nuts on people. You don't like it when you get hit the nuts Whatever happen to do on to others Is you want to be done to you Kick him in the ankle Don't kick him in the nuts I guess because the ball

It looks like you're doing other things Yeah I guess you can try to hide it But come on Dylan Brooks cupped him He cupped him underneath He coughed him on the cough So after not speaking to the media Following his ejection

For hitting LeBron in the midsection See nuts Dylan Dylan Brooks talked to the media on Sunday And said that everybody's portraying him as a villain Here you go The media I'm making me a villain. The fans make me a villain. And then that just creates a whole different persona

on me. So now you think I intended to hit LeBron James in the nukes. I'm playing basketball, a basketball player. So if I intended, and that's whatever the, whatever is in the Fragrant 2 category of having a Fragent 2, and you think I did that, that means you think I'm that type of person. You hit him in the nuts. Also, we've flipped out nuts, but I said nuts 11 times. Did we bleep that out, Mike? Or do they? They did. Oh, okay, got it.

Nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts. That's nuts. Wait, Dylan Brooks is the villain. He's on white sunglasses with his big chain after a game. And he's like, he's score 40. He knows exactly what he's doing. I wish he'd just kind of owned it. And been like, he didn't score 40.

Yeah, they might have beat us. He didn't score 40, did he? Like, embrace it. Don't back down. it because it didn't work out for you once. You don't ever see Pat Bev back and down after a situation. He may get beat. He may not play well.

You never see Pat Bev back down. Dylan Brooks, be the villain. Because you're only the villain in teams you're playing. Everybody else thinks it's funny. Or they don't like you or they're annoyed by you, but they forget about it. Your people love it. I was liking it until you back down and don't have people with the nuts. Nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts.

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because they're old as crap Anthony Davis was so good so strong he would take the ball he would get the rebound take it all the way down the court himself post score run back

he would do it all he was point guard and then he'd post up with his own it's crazy but every time he'd fall I'd be like well that's it for him for the year anytime he could hit it all like that's it for him for the year

out of the playoffs But no, he's still here right now. But how versatile he is. Like he would sky, get the rebound, physically knock people out, knock him around, then take it down court as a point guard, or as the point center, is the point four or five, whatever he plays.

And then just go into a post. It's like me on 2K. That's what I do. I rebound with George Mirosan. I think we're in like 1997. Miroson. Yeah, 7 foot 7. Wow.

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score from that game. I don't know how Kevin Durant, if he's playing 43 minutes a game, and I don't know that's what he did, I don't know how they're going to last. That West is going to be tough. But they traded off half their bench, at least the good players off the bench,

over to Brooklyn, so they could get Durant. But now they don't have it a bench. They don't have anybody to put in. so I'm entertained everybody's just getting hurt Victor Oladipo like tore his Patella tendon I think or he messed up his knee I've heard a couple different

I think he's out but he's also he's old now but between Tyler Harrow Janice Who else has been hurt LeBron's nuts Ola Depot Oh yeah

I feel like there have been more than that What do you got? Do you find the minutes? Yeah, Durant played 45 Booker 41. There's no way. They cannot last playing that many minutes. Not for a seven-game series. You'd think they would be able to

because they're professional athletes, but they're also playing against professional athletes at the same level. They were playing at the Y for 45 minutes. They'd probably be all right. A little different. Yeah. But it's a little different there.

But yeah, it just seems like more star players are getting hurt this playoffs than ever before. the A's bought some land in Vegas for a new ballpark. The A's announced last week they have signed a binding contract for 49 acres in Las Vegas, where they intend to build a new ballpark for the team. They will change their name to Las Vegas A's. I get it. I would just change the name of the team, too.

Totally get away from it. The Vegas corrupt gamblers. Vegas inside tips. There you go. The project is going to cost $1.5 billion. leaving half a billion dollars in public funding for whatever else. But it's just like when are they going to move? For a long time, we thought they were coming to Nashville.

I'm on the board to get a ball team here. And we ain't getting a team right now, which sucks. Maybe an expansion team if they opened it up. I know they will also want to have another Canadian team. But we knew Vegas was going to get one. Once Vegas opened, it's then open. When football, you know, LeBron wants an NBA team over there, baseball team's going to be there.

Vegas is going to have everything. Because everybody goes to Vegas. I would, I'd put a team in Vegas too. Yeah. They open the floodgates there. The A's lease in Oakland is up after 2024. So if all goes according to plan. 2025?

Possibly in Vegas. Anything else I said there that you guys were frantically looking up? Because the, what? You know, was Oladipo drafted? I feel like that was a long time ago. Yeah, it was 2013? Yeah, 2013. Second overall pick.

Maybe that's what it was. I remember him being a second overall pick. If I remember correctly, you can read me those picks. I don't think anybody's good from that 2013 draft. I haven't looked at this in forever. But that draft, and I could be completely wrong, but go one down to 10. Well, one of the biggest number one, Anthony Bennett.

Bust, go ahead. And then Victor Oladipo. Okay, fine, fine. Yeah. I mean, he started his career great. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Anyway, it's Otto Porter Jr. Cody Zeller.

Alex Len. Nerland's Noel. I do. At Kentucky. Is he still playing? No. I'm traded to Philadelphia Amateur. No.

Go ahead. Ben McElmore. Remember his song, Thrift Shop? Yeah. Contavia's called a little Pope. Okay. But, yeah, go ahead. Trey Burt.

Is there anybody that drafted all? Did he make him. There we go. Number 10. Okay. Who, do you have anybody after that? Stephen Adams. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, he's been around. Kelly Olenick. Yeah, okay, yes. Oh, Janus. 15. Oh, yeah. What a draft. Everybody sucked out front and one of the best at 15.

Anybody else? Rudy Gobert, down at the bottom, 27. Yeah, I love Gobert. I love Gobert because everybody hates them. Everybody's annoyed by them. All right, that's it. Thank you to everybody in the whole world. Thanks for listening to this.

I have nothing else to say. I just saw Chris Caraba from Dashboard Confessionals booked on the show to come on the radio show. It's cool. Nice. Yeah. That's pretty cool, huh? Are we going to get Adam Duritz, you think?

We were supposed to have. Remember that? That was the saddest email I ever had to send you. Yeah, Adam Durst was coming to my house. Yeah. To do a bobby cast for an hour. I love Counting Crows. I've loved him a whole lot.

Favorite band. And then he got... No, he didn't. It's somebody in the band got COVID. No. But they're going to do... some sort of show here in August, because I saw it posted at the Opry House.

And so I was like, let's see if we can get him. That'd be cool. But I hear, like, his interviews, I mean, I've heard him be interviewed. I feel like he doesn't love being interviewed. And he almost never plays in interviews. But maybe we'd just say it's an interview,

and I just talk to him and ask him questions, but we don't record it. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah, I thought Chris Crowe. That would be cool. Did you like Dashboard? I did.

Yeah. Both of you guys? You didn't, Mike? I did. Oh, yeah. Okay. And you did kind of? Yeah.

Yeah. Reed, do even know what dashboard is? Another clue. Okay. It's that thing in your car where you put your insurance license. Or have 15 different insurance in there from expired. That's exactly what it is. All right, final thoughts. Let's go. Kevin. It's going to Pittsburgh Pirates Drew Maggie, 13-year career in the minors,

and he finally made his debut in major leagues. That's pretty dang cool to stick around that long. I think he was 33 years old, and he's still playing in the minors, finally got his call up. And it's cool because he got drafted by the Pirates. originally been bounced around for 13 years and then he makes his debut with the Pirates. Pretty cool. I saw Murray coming off the court after Atlanta

lost and he got into the face of the referee. He's like, I mean, right at him. After the game's over. They bumped him. Yeah. Like, headbutth thrust, but not a headbutt. Like, he went in hard and it bumped him. I don't know what he said. I know the league's investigating it.

And I know. Things are tense. Things are hot. I get it. But after a game, there's there's literally nothing you can do to make your situation better. just get off the court don't be an idiot it's not like the hawks are going to do much anyway but it probably could spend it early next season

but there's no need nothing is happening if it happens in a game it still shouldn't happen but at least I understand you're like in the middle of battle he the moment kind of thing

the game's over nothing's been don't be a douche so douche of the day that's it I mean Trey Young was voted the most overrated player by the players in the NBA.

He's so hard to watch. Speaking to the Hawks, I know. So hard to watch. I know. Reid, do you have final thought? Yeah, so this weekend I was going to see my girlfriend, and I realized I passed a PGA superstore every time. So I had to make a stop there. And that place is incredible. It's literally like a Walmart for golf.

I was wondering if y'all ever been to one. I haven't. Where was it? It was in Birmingham. You driving to Louisiana? Mm-hmm. Got it. Yep. No, I haven't, but I would go if I saw one.

they are. Especially if I was by myself. I was with my wife probably wouldn't go. Like, I can go under that crap. Yeah, no. Yeah, Maddie was like, what's taking you so long? Just getting a gas. Beep, beep, beep. Uh, sir. Did you get some stuff? No, no, I didn't.

You didn't get anything? I didn't get anything. I didn't get anything. I'm broke after getting those clubs. You just teased yourself then. I know. You shouldn't spend all your money on golf clubs where you can't buy food. That's how you know, a club's a little too expensive, breed. I know, I know. I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to win an amateur one day.

you know. When do they come in? It said two weeks from last Tuesday, so. A week or so? Yeah. Kevin and I's fitting. Got moved back a week. And then Jim Nance text me again and said he heard the segment where I was talking about him not being able to get into country club. It was like not allowing Kobe

to play basketball to Y. And he was like, genius. Awesome. Man, when we get Jim Nance in here? It's going to be a four-hour show and he's like, man, this sure's a long one. Yeah, no, Jim, every show is four hours. Trust me, it's all. This is every show. So we appreciate you sitting here. So I hope you guys have a great day. We will see you later on this week.

Follow at 25 whistles because I told Reed every thousand followers that that Instagram gets, I'd give him 100 bucks. Because Reed runs the site. I feel like you should like donate that money or something. No, that's you literally work. You need it to go to the PGA shot. Yeah. You can't eat right now. That is fair.

That's true. Right now it's at you need about 347 more to get your first 100 bucks. Okay. All right. Come on, people. You heard them. Go on people. Come on, people. All right.

I don't think I ever blew the whistle in today. And let's blow the whistle out. All right. Thank you. That's it. Bye, everybody. Theme song written by Bobby Bones and performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music.

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