The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Why Bobby Chose a Non-SEC Team to Win the NCAA Tournament + Steven Rinella on Handling a Grizzly Charge + Worst Teams to Be a Fan Of

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

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get started with this episode that we did record this before the Cooper flag injury this past weekend. It looks like he'll be okay to play, but you should know that we did record this prior to the injury happening in the injury news. Would that being said, though? Enjoy the episode. Blow the whistle there ready. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's the great, oh, wait. My tune's wrong.

I get the music down. It's the most wonderful time of the year. I agree with you. This weekend, the Thursday, Friday, especially the Thursday, Friday. Saturday and Sunday are still cool. Yes. The first full four-day week is awesome. It's the best.

And we're lucky because we kind of have hours where we can watch the first games. Well, I get up a second to me every year. just so I can stay home. So every year I guess for that reason. And the Thursday, Friday, if you can just get a couple games that are going in the direction of looking like an upset, because you got like true TV, T, it got the whole things up in the corner. It's everywhere.

There have been years where it sucked, and there are no upsets anywhere, and those mild fun. But I mean, if you just get a couple, it's so awesome, because you can just flip around. And thankfully, YouTube TV, they settled their little deal with Paramount. You guys YouTube TV years? Heck, yeah. I love it.

Aside from basketball, isn't it the greatest? Everything. Everything. And this is not a commercial? No. No, no. But if you're a sports fan, you're deciding if you're getting paid right now or what? No, I'm just like, I was really thinking about it here.

No, I was thinking if YouTube TV wants to, you know, what's up, guys? Anyways, if you're a sports fan, it's the best. Casey, your thoughts on YouTube TV. I love it. I mean, for NFL Sunday ticket, the four games, but yes, March Madness is the best. Good point. Yeah. Sunday ticket, because they're the best.

They moved over there. Yeah. And I haven't got to experience it March Madness yet because you get to do the four screens generally. But, oh my gosh, I'm going to have a boner for like a basketball ball weekend. It's different. It is different. My father and all this is this. And so I pulled back right when I was about to say that joke.

And then I want to tell you what happened in my head right there. This is all happening within about 0.3 seconds. I was going to say, man, I get such a boner. watching college basketball. Can you imagine four games at once? That's like call your doctor if it's up for four hours. And I was just going to make that analogy.

Then at the same time, I thought, I know my father-in-law listens to a lot of this. So maybe I don't want to make a boner reference, but then I thought, I don't want to not be me. And he wouldn't want me to not be me. Correct. Even though he probably was like,

do you need to make the boner reference? All that was point three in my head. And I still said it, but it was like this. And I had a boner for it. What I've learned is because my mother-in-law listens to. Oh, really? Yes. And I've done the same thing where I'm like,

should I say that? My mother-in-law is listening? But what I've learned is they're cool, man, because they love us for who we are. And my mother-in-law never mentions things wherever I talk about her or anything like that, but I know she knows it. So I think she's okay with it. She doesn't act any different.

She still loves me and she still listens. Yeah, I don't question if he loves me any less until now. Great. I my wife doesn't listen to anything and that's not her being not supportive that's her when I get home going bro I'm with you for nine hours correct why don't want to hear you do the same crap you do here at home then and I'm like still I'm like eh I get it it is different you though like it's a different you when you get home then it's worse though got it yeah got it and also she doesn't really care about sports like this yeah but like a really It does, and he may not hear this. I'm sure he can't listen to everything because I now have 47 podcasts, which is way too many. But he'll message me and say, hey, I heard you talking to whomever is listening to this song. Like, I rarely can feel a compliment and genuinely feel it and it makes me feel good.

But he was listening to me maybe with Matt Jenkins. We just did. A lot of episode. Yeah. And he sent, oh, Casey, too. I got another guy. I feel a little more modern. But he literally texted me.

He was like, I was listening to your Matt Jenkins saying. and he wasn't saying it like, hey, I'm listening to you, talk to Matt Jenkins. Look at me, I'm listening to you. He just sent a reference about it. And like, I was deeply complimented. And I don't really know that feeling of support. Because my life, I didn't have. Yeah.

I'm not saying that like I was unsupported because I weren't people pushing against me, but I just didn't have that. And so that's weird that even me to having a boner conversation triggers all the memory of like how like touched I oh well I know I can't win here how touched I get when that

like that happens and I don't know the he'll hear this and I hope to God he does it now at this point I hope he doesn't I hope he doesn't but we are here

it's basketball it's the greatest it's the best just pick a team to win it all oh man because we're not going to break down I get bored and people go down

everything sure let's just pick one team do you guys want to all put five bucks in yeah yes Okay, let's do it. Mike, do you want in or no?

I'll go in. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six. I don't need your money right now, read, but we'll just all do it. He's got the wallet out. He's dumping change on the table. So if we have multiple picks. You get one pick to one at all. Right, but if multiple people pick the same team...

You'll split the money. But everybody have your answer written down so you cannot change it. I got it. And if you want to do more than five, you can. We can do ten. And that's two teams? No, it's one team. But it'd be worth a little more in case we split.

Let's do ten bucks. I have learned, my wife will say sometimes, hey, you can't use other people's money. Like, we go to dinner and I'm like, I want to do all this appetizer. And I plan to pay for everything. But then some people be like, we don't want you to pay for everything all the time.

And she's like, you have to consider that, that people get tired. People don't like it when you pay for their meal all the time. Well, that's not true. Yeah, I don't know. Who's that? They feel like they're burdening you. And I'm like, I enjoy it because,

one, people pay for my meal is my whole life. And now that I have money, I love doing it. So I have to think about other. people before I just go let's knock it to $10. So if you would like to knock it to $10, we can. I vote $10.10. Everybody good? Yeah.

Oh, Reed's crying. Oh, I'm ready, baby. Let's go 20. What are you talking about? Mike, 10 okay? Ten is good. Okay, so we have 60 bucks total. Let's go, baby. Pick your one team and Kevin. Duke.

You suck. You suck, dude. We hate you. Cooper flag, baby. And I can't change mine? Can't change it now? No changing it. I should have pulled out all the low seeds and we should have. pick somebody like a eight or below.

We may still do that real quick. Okay. Duke sucks. They're actually really good, though, is what sucks. Cooper flags nasty. And they've got two nasty freshmen. And Cooper, yeah. Mike, going to Auburn.

That's good, Mike. Reed. I'm going to go Florida. Good pick. Oh. Good pick. Eddie? I'm splitting the money with Kevin.

I'm going Duke. Let's go. Blue Devils. I'm sweeping, man. Would you and I broom in the Auburn. I was wondering what that meant. We're going to be splitting that up. Good with that.

Okay, how about this? Okay. How about this? Pick a team. Did Casey go? Yeah, he did, didn't he? No, I didn't go. Oh, I thought he said Duke.

He's like, Duke's sick. I love Duke. I was just saying Cooper Flags is sick. Oh, my bad. I thought that meant you had Duke. Who do he had? I got to go a little contrarian here. St. John's, baby.

Rick Bettino. I like this team. It's a New York. That's New York. He's like Rick Patino, Ricki, Ricky P. Ricky P. I'd like to apologize for not going.

I thought you picked Duke. I'd like to apologize for not. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. He's such a New York. Pick a team.

We all have to agree to the team being a mid or lower. And whomever's team goes the furthest, we'll do a $5 bet. You guys all good with that one? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Don't look at my team. So like out of the running, Duke, Auburn, Florida, Houston,

Bama, Tennessee, Michigan State, St. John's, Iowa State, Kentucky, Texas Tech, Maryland. Those are kind of all out of it. Oh, you didn't say the team. Well, I still might, though, but just looking at the bracket here. Go ahead. You want me to go first? Yep. I'm going to go Texas A&M.

Why? Oh, they play Dirk. I like A&M because they cannot shoot. They do not play offense. It's like they don't even want the ball. They just give it back on defense. But God dang, they play hard. They do play really hard.

They do. I like Texas A&M. They play hard. I like it. And they have a player with the last. name Garcia, so I'm all in. Oh, nice. Kevin, I'm going to go Arizona. Yeah, that's

good. Yeah, I like it. Okay. I accept it. You guys don't have to accept it, but... No, Arizona's accepted. And what sucks is already eliminated Texas Tech, and that was my boy. I wish I wouldn't have eliminated him. Okay. Go ahead, Casey. I'm going to go with Louisville.

That's good. That's not how you say it. Louisville. Yeah, yeah, we're going to... New York. Louis. Yeah. Louisville. Louville. No. Kind of.

Louisville. Louisville. Louisville. Louisville. Louisville. Louisville. We got to teach him here. Louisville.

Louisville. Yes. Okay. Read. Can I go Gonzaga? I think so, right? Yeah. I think so.

Gonzag. I'm just trying to, yeah. I think that's fine. Or Maryland? One of the two? I think it's fine. I'm going to go Gonzaga. Gonzaga.

Gonzag. I got to go SEC just because I've watched them play so much. I'm going to go Missouri. I have not seen them play. I have. I was going to pick Michigan too because Arkansas played Michigan and they're good. And I like Dusty. I'm going to go Michigan.

I'm going to go Michigan. Oh, we're not of the SEC. I know. Wow. But I had to pick a team Arkansas played and we beat them. That's good call. And I'm just not picking Arkansas because I don't want to attach anything to that. Okay.

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Hey Stephen, thanks for the time. I have a lot to talk about with you. First of all, I will receive a bit of crap from people. I grew up in Arkansas. I had a 4-10 at 9 years old, and I was kind of just allowed to hunt, mostly rabbit or squirrel. Like 4-10 was my first gun. People were like, you had a gun at 9 or 10. And I talk about how it was a tool more than a lot of people see it as a weapon. For you, when did you get your first gun? When could you hunt by yourself? Oh, man, you know, it's funny. You bring that up because we used to be like, I remember kids, I remember this one kid in particular that moved, I grew up in West Michigan, and I remember just one kid that moved from like out of town into our area, you know? And I remember his mom just being astounded, like horrified that kids would ride around on bikes with 22s slung over their back, you know? Like we all just roamed around as little kids hunting, you know. It was all back then it was just tons of woods around that area. I don't even remember.

You know, I hate to say it, well, they changed the rules now. So it's actually, we would start hunting before you were legally allowed to hunt, which sounds bad. But then the state went and changed the rules. So now it wouldn't be that it was illegal. They moved the ages back. But we just started hunting early. My dad liked it. He wanted us to be out in the woods.

he thought if you were doing that, then that's what you ought to be doing. Similar where, again, I was born in the 80s, so there weren't as many rules. And again, I'm from a town of 700 people in rural Arkansas. So the rules were just different based on lifestyle, but it was, hey, once you're like 10, get a hunter's ed card, but I was already hunting. So Hunter Zed was easy. So I got my card. But that was like the stamp of you're now able to say you're hunting because you have your

hunter Zed card and then it became a license type thing. I don't even know what the law is. Like how, what is the law to actually have a gun and hunt now? Well, man, they keep moving it back. I love it because again, let's take Michigan. I can speak to

a bunch of different states where I've had some exposure, but in Michigan it was it would be that you couldn't hunt small game to your 12, okay? You could hunt archery deer so you'd hunt deer with a bow at 12 and you couldn't hunt deer with a rifle until you were 14. Now they've gotten rid of all that stuff.

Now it's up to the parent, which is what it should be. The state where I live in Montana, and in Montana a kid has to be 10 to do, you know, to legally hunt, right? But I also take my kids to my buddy's place to hunt turkeys in the spring in Wisconsin, and there it's up to the parent. But it's that they have to be mentored. So they have to be with a license hunter of a certain age, right, who's within arms reach of them, which, and then they can start on their own a little bit earlier. So it's a really nice thing that's happened over the years.

Like, you tend to think of everything getting more restrictive and, you know, less freedoms. But in this case, the states, most states have really done a good job of allowing kids earlier entry into the sport, as long as they're being menthol. which I think is great. Like you can hunt two years in Montana with a mentor before you have to take hunter safety. So it really helps you get your kids out early. I get my kids hunting early, man. I don't want it. It'll never be like surprising to them.

You know, they just grew up around it, right? That's how I like to do it. Stephen, yeah, you bring up a good point about the kids kind of like going out early. What I experienced with my kids was, you know,

them seen an animal die for the first time and how they receive. that, you know, very differently. Some kids are like, wow, okay, cool, we got a bird. Some are like, that bird just died. How do you do that with your kid? How did that happen with your kids? Again, saying, I had to say, I did with them what happened with me,

which is, I just took them out early. They've always been around it. You know, I'll tell people, like, I could take something, anything I take, if I take something in my hands, if we're out in the woods, and I take something in my hands. And I tell my kid, I said, hey, check this out, hold your hand out.

They're going to, like, put their hand out and take what I hand them. Like, you can't startle them. You know, they're not, you can't startle them because I've always exposed them to stuff. They're very comfortable in the outdoors. And they have a lot of trust in me. And if I tell them something's cool, they know it's cool. If I say we ought to be nervous right now, you know, about Grizzlies or whatever, they know we ought to be nervous right now.

if I'd say that there's nothing to worry about. They trust me that there's nothing to worry about. And that comes from having them out at a young age in showing, demonstrating to them like a level of competency in the outdoors, you know? So I don't mean to like I don't want to, I usually find that the people that are most critical about their kids have the best kids.

Like the people that complain the most about their kids have the best kids. And I can complain about my kids all day long. And if you want me, I'll do that for an hour. But there's certain things that are cool about them. And one of the things is that they're really comfortable around hunting. They're very comfortable around life and death. As my buddy says, life and death on the farm. And they know about life and they know about death.

You bring up a grizzly as an example. But one charged you, right, in Alaska. And I've heard the story, but can you tell the listeners that are listening now a bit of that story? Yeah, I've had a couple of grizzly charges. I never been, maybe I got touched by one, but I don't really know. And I think the one you're talking about is weird. I was hunting on a Fognaq Island, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners have heard of Codiac Island. There's just in Alaska.

There's a very narrow strait that separates Codiac and a Fogneck. And we were hunting on a Fogneck Island, and I had gotten an elk a couple days earlier, and we hung half the elk up in a big spruce tree. and we went back to fetch it, just kind of stupidly, I don't really know why. I felt that nothing had found the elk yet. And so we sat to eat lunch under the tree,

me and my buddies that I was with. And while we were there, a bear came in and came in hard. My one buddy, he had his pistol and a pepper spray sitting on each side of them. But when that bear came in, it happened so fast, he smoked it across the face with a pair of trekking poles.

I twisted my ankle up bad. I don't know. I feel like his foot landed on my ankle, but I'm not totally positive, but it's crazy as my buddy, Dirt got knocked over by the bear, and I'm not kidding you, man. Dirt rode the bear straight down hill for about 15 yards.

I mean, he rode on the bear. I thought the bear had him. I thought it was holding him. So we all ran down the hill, but dirt came squirting back up out of the alders running back the other way and dude it was it kind of messed with me a little bit psychologically for a while to be honest with you it was so close it was so close i had a show on nat geo for a while and we went up we we flew into bosman then we drove into the park and probably two or three hours out of boseman and we were traveling around with sheep herders because the the predators come in at night and try to eat

the sheep and so we were oh so that's what we were doing we were with them i was kind of learning about what their job was and how they'd be out for months at a time but you know they had equipped me with things in case up when we did end up seeing a bear it was far it was with night vision so we knew where not to go but they equipped me they gave me bear spray and and we didn't have grislies in arkansas we have black bears and we have grizzlies so they said okay if a bear attacks you here's the bear spray shoot it at the ground and then the the bear will come through the ground and stop It felt to me like when I was 11 and they said spray cologne in the air and walk through it. I felt like there was no way that this bear spray shooting into the ground was going to stop a bear.

So if you were me and a bear was attacking, would you have sprayed the spray at all or would you just go full gun? Like what do you know about bear spray? What I think what they're meaning. Well, what I know about bear spray is I've been in two instances where people have gotten hosed by spray, me and another person. but I haven't I haven't hosed a bear of it yet. I've shot in front of bears, you know, shot in front of them to try to spook them.

But I think what they're getting at is aim low with spray, you know? You want to get till that bear's like 20 yards if he's coming and he's coming and he gets to 20 yards. What they're saying is hose down in front of him so that you're not blowing it back over the top. of them but you're blowing it I would think you're aiming if he's coming you're aiming down at his feet you know if he's coming I'm running and peeing everywhere yeah yeah because you're putting

out a cloud of that stuff right and man I know um so I interviewed a girl one time that was getting mulled by a grizzly and she had her spray on her chest she was a grizzly bear researcher she had her spray on her chest and the bear got her down and it actually got one of its one of its canines and pop through her skull but she had her spray on her chest and without even being able to see the bear was able to take that spray on her chest and shoot it like over her own shoulder and got it in the face and it dropped her I interviewed another dude that last year he got mauled all he managed to do is get his spray out before the bear hit him and the bear was mauling him and he was mauling him and

he was trying to cover. So he had to spread. There's like a ring on your spray. It looks like a trigger guard. It's like a little handle. And he had his spray like hanging from that ring. Like here's a people that watch. Like I'm holding a suppressor, but picture that it had a ring on it.

So he's holding the canister like this. And he goes to protect. They always tell you to protect the back of your neck with your hands if you're getting mold. And he goes to protect the back of his neck. But he's got that spray on there like a ring. And that bear bit through. the spray and hosed itself by biting the spray and got a mouthful of that and dropped him and ran off.

And what's hilarious, dude, is my kids lost one of my sprays last summer. And later me and my wife find the spray laying out at this place where we can't. We find where they drop the spray. And the spray is erupted and it's got four big bite marks in it, like a bear found that and bit it. because there's something about the, there's something about the smell of it that in small doses is attractive to him. I'll never get it, man. But it bit that sucker.

So he must have got a faceful. He must have got a faceful of that junk. My fear was, because they'll be in like action movies where they have like the rocket launcher and the person that doesn't know how to use it, holds it up and they end up shooting backward. That happens. My fear was if a bear's coming at me,

okay, and I end up spraying myself because of the can. luckily never had to use it, but they also said, like, don't shoot a bear because you will get in trouble if you shoot a bear unless you can actually prove you're being attacked or threatened. And I thought if there's anywhere near me, like something's getting shot. Me or it, like something's getting shot. But that was their big lesson was, the reason we say this is because we can't have people shooting bears. Well, they do investigate it. But I mean, every year, you know, like in the state I live in, you know, we got a thousand grizzly bears. right in this area

you know I mean we could argue all day about the exact numbers but we got grizzly bears we have 10 times as many black bears which never kill anybody in Montana but every year grizzlies dust off one or two people in Montana and every year people

dust off a handful of grizzlies and they get killed by a lot of times get killed by bow hunters who are hunted out And they'll investigate it, but oftentimes it's totally legitimate, man. It's like, you know, you're, you get hit or you got one coming at you.

But yeah, they'll come out. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, they'll investigate the incidents. They'll find out if you were jumpy, you know, if it was going away at 40 yards and it was walking away and you shoot it, yeah, you're going to be in trouble because you just got too jumpy. Yeah, but that thing's coming at you and it's five yards away, and no one's going to, they're not going to blame you. but people got to be cool-headed. That's the thing about spray. Like, it's people argue this. In my world, like, people argue this all day long.

Do people, like, this ruins friendships, this argument of pistols versus bear spray. But, like, it does seem there's a very compelling case to be made that spray is better, especially if you're not like a super experienced marksman with a pistol. Because with spray, you don't need to be accurate. You just need to be in the right. in the right direction, you know. With your show hunting. And the bear lives.

Well, yeah, it also feels to me like, you know, bird shot or buckshot versus a slug or a rifle, right? Like, if you got one shot, for me, I'm not going to be as good of a shot as some of my friends. So I want that spread to be as wide as possible. And that's basically what the bear spray is versus a pistol or rifle. Yeah. Everybody likes to think there is some commando with their pistol, you know.

I don't. Yeah, no. Hunting history, what's interesting to me is. how people hunted before we existed. I grew up in Arkansas where there's a lot of Native American, their arrowheads just randomly in places. And to me, it was wild at how they would create arrows. Like to you, because you've spent so much time studying this,

documenting this, you've made this into a show. Like, what is the technology that now we'd look at it? How in the heck do they do that? But they were able to be effective hunting? You know, I was having this discussion the other day with a historian who, spends a lot of time working on questions around

what would it have been like for the first humans to come into the new world? Like what would have been like the first people to touch the ground and what is now the United States? And there's this idea that these hunters, these Ice Age hunters, we call them Clovis hunters now or other names,

that these Ice Age hunters were able to wipe out mammoths using spears. And you'd say, well, how in the world is that possible? but picture it like this, that like, the mammoths had never seen anybody before, you know? So we get accustomed now to wildlife

that has a pretty good familiarity with humans. You know, you'll see that you'll see with all these different species that they have a pretty good sense of what is a safe distance from people. Compare that to accounts that you read of like whalers being the first people to ever step foot on some, island like even in the early 1900s late 1800s like whalers to be the first people to arrive at island and look what they described they describe you walk up and literally pick up wildlife birds land on you things exhibit zero fear of people i'm not detracting from the skill sets of these

ancient hunters but they were in a different set of circumstances dealing with wildlife that had a different sense of what the threat the humans presented, you know. So now if you're bo-hunting elk, it might be really challenging to get 40 yards from an elk that's had some hunting pressure put on it, right? But maybe a few hundred years ago, it was pretty easy to get, maybe it was challenging to get four or five yards away from an elk, right? So the technologies have changed, but so is the response. the human response to animals it's a real rich field of inquiry man and that's

just like one element the other element of it is is that if you live in a lot of states now and you're like a big deer hunter you might only have a 10-day deer season so you could be you could identify as a deer hunter and you might read about deer hunting and dream about deer hunting but when it comes down to it you deer hunt 10 days you know for some people now imagine that imagine that you deer hunted 200 days a year in the same areas that your father hunted 200 days a year for 40 years in the same area that your grandfather hunted two days a year or 200 days a year for 40 years imagine the body of knowledge that you would have accumulated so like our ideas about hunting and tactical understandings of it are probably just like nothing compared to people that live to hunter-gatherer lifestyle. And I've been fortunate to travel in South America with, you know,

indigenous hunter-gathers. And I'm telling you can't keep up with them mentally. You can't keep up on them. I was going through your – and I definitely don't want to spoil anything in the work that you've done. But I've been fascinated with D.B. Cooper. I can envision the drawing that has existed in my – I can just see it, the drawing of him and what they think he looked like

and how he did it and how he jumped out of the plane. Do you think he survived? you know what i went in we did yeah we did a hunting history episode on on db cooper we just focused on that question because a lot of it like like our focus is always on these areas of mysteries that have a wilderness component um they have like a survival component or a hunter gather component and with d b cooper we got into that that this jump the jump zone so just for people for a quick recap in the 1970s there was this there was this like epidemic of skyjackings DB Cooper is the only unsolved skyjacking in U.S. history where a guy gets on a plane, takes hostages, demands money, gets the money, jumps out of a plane and never to be seen again.

jumps out in Washington. The FBI identified a drop zone based on all these different inputs, and it was like rugged, mountainous terrain, heavily forested. I always just as a passive, like, you know, DB Cooper observer reader, I always saw there's no way the guy lived. you know he jumped out at night he didn't pack his own shoot I just thought the reason they never found him is he was burrowed into the muck and moss somewhere

and that was it right but man after working on that episode and hanging around with you know parachuters that have done like 12,000 jumps military paratroopers dude these people that really know that world they're like no there's no reason to think he wasn't fine. They just like, why? No, laying in a tree, don't matter. They're like, he definitely

is fine. It really changed my idea. So then it brings up the next question is, what happened to him when he hit the ground? And what did he do? Well, they found money, too, like parts of dollar bills in the area. But they didn't. Well, yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, they did. What are you not saying? What are you trying to not say right now? What do you think? No, no, no. They did. It was the money. Way away from there in the Columbia, or way away from the FBI's drop zone, a kid was clearing out a place to make a fire on the beach,

on the Columbia River, on a mud bar. He's clearing out a little place to make a fire and finds a stack of rotten $20 bills. And this is in the 80s. If you look at the FBI's drop zone, okay, what the FBI determined to be the drop zone, if D.B. Cooper, it dropped that money, either in the air, threw it out of the plane, whatever, like, landed,

lost it, whatever, and you put it into a creek, and there's a lot of rivers and creeks there, and you put it in a creek, it would not have washed to the place where it was deposited in a gravel bar. So either the drop zone is all the way off, either it's way off, And he dropped it or whatever the hell happened. Or someone after the fact, someone later after the fact, went and buried that stuff there. A guy I interview and hang out with in there who is a real, he's like a citizen sleuth type that is really dedicated himself to the D.B. Cooper mystery. He thinks that the FBI's drop zone was off and they were way off. and the DB Cooper

buried that stuff in the gravel bar what's funny now when I went to the spot when you go to the spot you're sitting nine feet below where they found the money so if you said where'd you find the money it was nine feet over your head because that gravel bar is gone now the Columbia River ate it so

dude it's like it is such a rabble a whole man you can't it don't like dude if you get into the whole dv cooper thing and you start unraveling all the things it'll kill you I mean it'll kill you because it's too much. It's such a perfect, it's like the perfect mystery. It's the gift that keeps giving. The show Hunting History with Stephen Ronella, it's eight episodes. He's teaming up with historians and archaeologists and a really cool cast of outdoor professionals.

And it's very much storytelling. And I think that's what, you know, having consumed your content in different ways, I think that's what's a bit different about this is it feels to me like this is a new element because there is so much storytelling involved. Yeah, it is, man. And when we were looking at all these stories, like we did a great one on the Donner Party, too. That's crazy. The Donor Party is crazy. Will you just give a brief description to that so people know what you're talking about? Yeah, I was telling this to my kids last night over dinner.

So in 1846, people are from here at the Oregon Trail, right? Well, in 1846, this big group of families, they all leave Missouri, and they're traveling together over the Oregon Trail. and this group of them, these are kind of loose groupings of families, but this group of them, under the leadership of this patriarch, this Donnerfellow,

they decided to take a thing called Hastings Cutoff, which is supposed to be a shortcut to California. In fact, it's like a long cut. It's worse conditions, and now we understand with, you know, now that you can look at a map, it's actually longer. So it's like a longer, worse route

billed as a shortcut. But so that when they get to the, they have to cross the Sierra Nevada. Picture this is the mountain range. It separates like Nevada from California. Great, you know, great skiing destination now. They have to cross the Sierra Nevada. There's early blizzard. There's early snowstorm.

And it catches them way up in the mountains. It's early enough in the year they think that maybe it'll melt off. And they'll be able to continue on their way. But it just gets worse and worse to the point where eventually they can't even backtrack. They can't go back the way they came. And they get stuck. there. What they're really famous for is they're famous for cannibalism. So if you make a joke about the Donner party today, like Donner family dinner, right? It winds up being it's a cannibalism

joke. They did resort to cannibalism. However, there's like this thing, and I knew all that outline, right? But here's what I did and I never thought about. And I have three kids. Over half of the people in the Donner party were little kids, were children. And children wound up being of the survivors. Over half of the Donner Party survived, and children were far more likely than the adults to survive the ordeal. So you could look at the Donner Party as this American horror story about these people committing this atrocity of cannibalism,

or you could look at it like this, which is the conclusion I come away with. You could look at it like this. It was people, family, doing everything possible and I mean everything possible to keep their children alive. Very different ways of looking at something.

And when I got done, I'm like, dude, I'm going to stop making jokes about. I'm going to stop making Donner Party cannibalism jokes, man. There was a harrowing thing. And they get kind of blamed for it, you know. But dude, it was a freak blizzard. And people had successfully crossed the Sierra Nevada, had successfully crossed later in the year than they did. It was just they were just victims of horrible luck and something really bad happened to.

They weren't like, they weren't dumb, they weren't desperate. I mean, they got desperate, but they were, you know, it's like this heroic tale that has been just kind of abused over the years, I think. I'd like to encourage everybody to check it out. Hunting History with Stephen Ronella and follow Stephen at Steve. Steven Rilla on Instagram. Really appreciate the half hour he spent with the Stephen. Great stories.

Big fan. And again, who the heck was D.B. Cooper even? I think, dude, I've watched so many documentaries, many documentaries, documentaries. I've watched TikToks on people's theories, the money. All of it. I didn't know who you guys are talking about, but I'm all in now. Do you see the picture of them, though? Does that recognize that?

I didn't even look at it. I'm all in. When we're done with this, I'm all in. Can I tell you one last funny thing? Yes, sir. so after like while working on that dv cooper deal later i get a message from a guy who sends me some pictures of the fbi guy the fbi agent who was prepping the people to do the the composite drawing so the picture you're talking about of what he supposedly looks like it was so funny is the drawing looks astonishingly similar to the

FBI agent. Like, he was the last guy they talked to it. And it's almost like they described the last dude they spoke with it. That is weird. Steve, I appreciate you, man. I hope you have a great day. Good luck with the series. And hopefully I'll run it to you somewhere, man. I'd like to meet you sometime, man. But I'll let you go now. Take care. All right, buddy. See you later. If you want to win real money this March mania attorney and you're struggling to choose which team will pull off and upset, forget about the teams. All you need to focus are player stats to rack up big cash prizes with Draft Kings pick six. If there are places that you can't do Draft King Sportsbook, I got a feeling, a strong feeling,

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performance relative to expectations, draft decisions, roster talent, fan morale. So before I read you this, and we can go any sport. This will be NFL. This will be in conclusion. What team does it suck to be a fan of?

And I will go first. Well, I have two. The Arkansas Razorbacks? Anytime we get a blip, it goes away quick. And then I've been to Chicago Cup's fan my whole life. We had it in 2016. That was great.

but it's very difficult up until that point it's been difficult since I'm a selfish I'm a loser in sports when my sports seems I'm a loser so I'll put them up on the list the Razorbacks yeah I didn't choose it it chose you

it chose this life right and I if anything I am consistent and I start crying you know I stay with my people So I will never not be a Cubs fan I will never not be an Arkansas Razor Bike fan

But it's been tough Eddie Are you going with the Cowboys? No, no, I love being a Cowboys fan But hard to be a fan is the question It's very difficult to be a fan One, because America hates you Like people just hate this

People hate Cowboys fans Why do you think that is though? No, you don't just exist We do exist But you don't just exist I was going to ask But you kind of answered the question Because that's not true

Why do you think people hate Cowboys fans I think the whole America's team We're always You know, and the media covers us all the time That's part of it, yes, absolutely Even if we're bad, they cover how bad we are Like bad decisions, they cover the bad decisions I don't know, man

And we're always just there like Primetime too, TV puts us at prime time I think that the whole media Sports talk all them want the Cowboys As far as topics go but fans, they're just like, shut up. Our team's way better than the Cowboys, and you never cover us. Yeah, I think Cowboys fans, they have a sense of importance when they really don't as far as how good the team has been.

But that team gets clicks and views, so they get shoved in everybody's face even when they're bad, so then people resent them. I think my son got mad in the season because we got Game of the Week or something, and it was like us and the Giants. Like, how is this the Game of the Week? But it's also people like you going, I don't get it. I don't get, we just exist. That's just not true. We do exist. You're shoved down everybody's throats.

And if you could just admit. Is that our fault? But if you could admit, I know it's annoying, all, everybody wants to talk about the Cowboys and we suck. It would be different. But Cowboys fans have a sense of belonging when they don't really belong. I guess it's kind of cool, though, that like they cover us anyway. Like even if we're bad and we're hurting or whatever, it's still kind of cool that people still talk about the Cowboys. Because they get clicks.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with us. We're just living. That's not true. You're not just living, though. You're America's team. You say it. Casey? Well, I mean, I got to go with the New York freaking Jets. It's New York in the winter. The field sucks. The owner sucks. He got an F in the grading thing. Yeah, I feel like we're the number one thing on this list. I would put money on that. Oh, okay.

Browns have to be number one. Brown's number one. Yeah. NFL wise. Let's go baseball then real quick. It sucks to be a fan of. I'm going to go Kansas City. small market team they don't spend money baseball does not have a salary cap so they'll have to pay extra taxes

but the Yankees can spend all they want the Dodgers can spend all they want and they do and so luxury tax is different than a cap and in the NBA they have different like aprons right yeah but baseball you spend all you want get all you want and then you'll pay a little luxury tax on it It's wild.

And that's why the teams like the Yankees and the Dodgers. I say Yankees, they don't win World Series. But they're always in the mix. We're relevant. Yeah. Yeah. What about the A's? Like, the A's still share a field?

The A's aren't even, the A's are moving. I think they're officially done now. Yeah. That's how much. That's tough. Yeah. Yeah. That's got to be hard.

Like, if you're a lifelong A's fan. So the A's exists, but they're not in Oakland anymore. It's going to be Las Vegas. Vegas, yeah. Sacramento for a while in Vegas. All their teams are gone now, right? Because the Raiders and the Warriors. I mean, let's be real, though, it's Oakland.

Like, what would they do with a team anyway? Like San Francisco? I understand. You're a big market. Oakland? Don't be a hater, dude. Don't be a hater on a city. Don't be a hater on a city.

So I go Royals. You know, the Indians can be tough. They've had some good teams, but that can be tough if they don't spend money. These small market teams in baseball. Pittsburgh, the Pirates. Good one. Basketball. Charlotte.

Oh, Charlotte. Terrible. I'd hate to be a Charlotte fan. I'd hate to be a Pelicans fan. Yeah. And the Pelicans, it's not their fault they missed on Zion because they didn't miss. They had to drive Zion. They got lucky enough to get the number one overall pick, and that set them back.

Yeah. So it would suck to be a Pelicans fan. Have the Hawks done anything? I mean, Trey Young keeps him in that mediocre, where he goes and scores 40, but they don't win. Yeah, like he's cool. Every once in a while I go to New York and, you know, beat the Knicks and choke himself. Yeah. Yeah, let's Spike Lee.

Atlanta will be a tough basketball team be a fan of because they really, they don't suck. They're the Steelers of the NBA, where they don't suck enough. They finally did get a top pick this last year, and it was the worst draft ever. Yeah. And they have, and they have, you know, as of right now, one of the top three picks for next year, but the Spurs own their pick. So, yeah, it'd be tough to be an Hawks fan. Trailblazers too, I feel like it's been pretty rough. And you're so disconnected up there, which is why players really don't want to go up there. Yeah, that would be tough. And then football. All these are football. Ready? Number five. the Tennessee Titans.

We know this, but we don't expect anything at this point. Who's their best player, like right now? Right now? I thought about that. I'm like, man, I can't name someone a superstar. Yeah, the cornerback that came from Kansas City. Yeah, a Sneed. Yeah.

Sneed's good. Oh, yeah, okay. But again, football has so many freaking positions that unless you're more than a casual, you're not even going to know that. Their colors look slow. Everything's about the titans. Turquoise.

How's the kicker for the Titans? I don't even know the kicker. I don't can tell you. Now with the whole science factor, though, what's like... So performance versus expectations, the Titans have had fluctuating success with recent seasons not meeting heightened expectations set by previous year's playoff appearances.

So anytime they play well, they tend to not play as well the next year. Draft decision. Some first-round picks have not delivered the anticipated impact, affecting the team's competitiveness. I would look back when they traded... A.J. Brown?

AJ Brown and they ended up drafting Traylon Burks from Arkansas and he's been hurt the whole time. Yeah, it's been a dad. Like they lost a guy, I mean, they got a pick and they used that to draft somebody. To get an AJ Brown clone. Yeah. Roster talent.

They've had players like Derek Henry, but other areas, like offensive line, have kept Henry from flourishing and now he doesn't play with them and he goes to the freaking Ravens and crushes. That's a great year. Looks like he's 25 years old. And fan morale.

The Nashville fan base is dedicated but has faced disappointment due to unmet expectations and playoff shortcomings. I bought tickets for five bucks, man. Oh, that's great. Five bucks of pop. That's bad. And sometimes there will be games.

I drive by the stadium here. During game day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's cold, and I'm like, who would ever go sit in that? Terrible team. I thought once, I got on the NFL Network show. And a good morning football?

Good morning football, yes. I was thinking money morning quarter of, good morning football. And I was talking about the Titans and how bad they were. And I was just going on. I was just doing a bit. I don't know if it ever got back to them,

but if it did, we ain't going to be walking over there anymore. I was just riffing. You see Zach Metzenberger, the old quarterback for the Titans, is now coaching, I believe, Father Ryan High School. That's cool. So in his picture where they announce them, you may look at this up, Mike, it's one of those Christian private schools.

He's covered in tattoos on his arms, and everybody's just going to town. I'm like, this is not Christian. This is not Christian. He got a tattoo. If it's Father Ryan, it's a Catholic. school, I think. Unbelievable.

The people were looking at his tattoos and going, that does not represent. What year are we in? I know, that's ridiculous. Father Ryan High School. Great. I felt bad for him. You got it. NFL quarterback coming to coach.

And you got these parents going, he can't coach our Christian school. Look at his tattoos. That's ridiculous. Is this 1922? Is this Sailor on leave getting tattoos out at the port? It sounds like it. Crazy. Now, number four are the commanders.

But they're on the way up. The team has experienced limited postseason success in recent decades. but generally underperforming. And they should be happy from last year. Dan Snyder sucked as an owner. That's what this is. That's just Dan Snyder sucking. They have a new owner now.

So that's why you're actually seeing the team play well, new leadership. Next up, the Jets at three. Sorry, Casey. It's all right. I had a feeling. A lot of draft. Inconsistency and struggles with early round picks. Yeah.

we have drafted a bunch of defensive players that have not panned out. I remember D. Miller, the cornerback from Alabama was supposed to be a stud. He didn't turn out to be much. Yeah, Jamal Adams to start crying now too. It's Casey and I just crying in this whole segment. You know, my kids asked me about Mark Sanchez. Sanchez, yeah. Sanchez.

That's what we believed. They're like, what kind of quarterback was he? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't really remember. He ended the ball flat, but. I would say he's one of the quarterbacks that probably never had the ability to show how good of a quarterback he was

because the people around him weren't good. Yeah. If you get drafted into a bad organization, it almost doesn't matter because you see that with guys like, you know, Bryce Young, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, where they go in and they suck. And you're like, well, they're losers,

but then they go somewhere else, not Bryce Young yet, new coach came in, but they go somewhere else and they play pretty good to really good. And you're going, man, it's all about where you land. Like you have to have the skills, but it's all about where you land.

And Sanchez took him to the AFC. Two years in a row. Yeah. Yeah. In the beginning of his career. But then when we had to actually rely on him to do something, he couldn't do it.

And then we had Tibo. I don't know if you guys remember. We had like the T-bo-Sanchez dual connection thing. They played at the same time? Yeah. Rex Ryan picked up Tebow after Denver. I can't recall a lot of experiments. Blocking that out?

Failure. Blocked a trauma. Trauma in his head. Cleveland's at one. Who thinks of two? It's the one football team I left out, do you think? Jacksonville. Jacksonville's got to be tough.

Not top five. Probably not been around long enough overall. Like, you don't have a lot of grandparents that were Jaguar fans that have passed it down because they didn't exist. Yeah, true. Okay. Chargers?

A lot of disappointment, but no. The team's good now. Detroit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We forget how terrible they have been for decades because of what Dan Campbell's been able to do. But the Lions have a history of unmet expectations.

They went 0-16 in 2008. They've had high draft picks. Man, they drafted wide receivers like every year for a while. It was just one after the other. Calvin Johnson was awesome. Matthew Stafford was good, but they'd never had real success. Decades without a Super Bowl appearance. And shout out Lion fans for remaining a lion fan.

Because that had been tough. Oh and 16? That was brutal, man. Yeah. I remember that season. He didn't he get the safety going in the ends going backwards. Yeah. And it like didn't even know he ran out.

Like ran all the way back and they came back in. Did you see Rolovsky at the Super Bowl? Walking around, uh, radio rope? He's, he's really tall. Like really tall. You can see him towering over people. I'm like, wow, I had no idea. He was that tall.

Orlovsky, he was with the Colts when he did that, right? He was, I think it was the Lions. I think it was that season. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Yeah. All that bad play. Some blue jersey.

Yeah. I did not see Orlovsky, but those guys are big. It's like even Matt Castle. He's like 6'4. I know. You don't even think of a guy being that big because he just looks average on screen and they're giants.

Okay. Anybody, read any teams that are terrible that you feel bad for their fans? I just feel like I would hate to live in Wisconsin. So now we're going at the whole state. Yeah, we're just going to state. No reason whatsoever. Like the Packers?

I like Wisconsin. They're pretty good. Why would you hate Wisconsin? To be honest, I can't say that. I've never even been there. I just imagine it's super flat, A lot of corn, a lot of cheese. Cold, yes.

It's not flat. Really? It's a little hilly, especially when you get out in that milk country. Yeah, I have no response. I don't remember being flat or hilly. I know the people are super nice. There's a lot of cheese, and it's way cold. So anywhere cold, not a fan of as far as, like, living there.

But I feel like that was not very kind of you to pick on Wisconsin for no reason. That's what came to my mind, man. I picked on Oakland, so I apologize to. That's my bad. But you've been to Oakland, haven't you? No, I've been to Oakland. Been to San Francisco. I've been to Oakland.

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