The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Why Everyone Should Have Mexican Friends + Michael Strahan on Growing Up in Germany & Flipping a 'Mean' Switch While Playing + The Biography of Rory McIlroy with Author Alan Shipnuck 

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Bobby shares why he thinks everyone should have Mexican friends, which turns into one of the funniest parts of the episode. Later, Michael Strahan talks about growing up in Germany and the intense mindset he had to get into as a player, including the “mean” switch he flipped while playing. Plus, Alan Shipnuck joins Bobby to break down his Rory McIlroy biography, what he learned along the way, and why Rory’s story is bigger than just golf.   Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App today: https://dkng.co/bobbysportsIf you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA).21+ (18+ WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/ NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in NH/OR/ON. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details. Follow the Show: @25WhistlesSports  Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @BrandonRayMusic See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Coming up, we'll talk Masters with Alan Shipnuck, and we talk a lot of Rory, which, by the way, and this will change by the time you guys are hearing this. But on the Bobby Bone show, I went to Amy. We did the psychic bit. we said pick a letter she picked R. So I'll do a bunch of money on Rory. She saw the letter R.

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Yeah. My guy. Right? Didn't you play with Sam Burns? I did. Yeah, but I was like my guy. What event? What event was that?

I played in the Celebrity Proem of the St. Oh, FedEx. FedEx Classic. Cool. Cool, cool. And I was like, weren't you there? No, my other Mexican counterpart was there. Your brother-in-law.

DJ, Gasson. Yes. I'm another. I have three. Me? Your brother-in-law. And Steve? Don't miss the closest.

Your other Mexican counterpart? What Mexican is with me more than anybody else? Mike D. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, Mike. Probably the most Mexican. Well, I don't know about DJ, but. Because we don't do that.

We don't say who's more Mexican. I'm just saying. DJ's least Mexicans. I didn't even know DJ with Mexican. You didn't. We called him. I wonder if he even considers himself Mexican. I'm going to say, this is the first time I've heard that.

Let me see, what? DJ be Mexican. Really? Like if you, yeah. Oh, I wouldn't have yes that. I'm face-timing him right now. Let's see if he answers. Must be, they have a series at Mississippi State tonight.

They're there. Yeah, they're there. So I'll say this about DJ. I'm very close to DJ. He is the only person in my life that just calls me to talk. There's no reason he calls me to talk. There's no reason he calls him. me. And I'm like, oh, DJ's calling

a lot. Let me see what's on his mind. Hey, man, what's up? Nothing. What's up for you? Not like, hey, I need advice. I need the, anything like. Really? Just to talk. Calls, check. Just see what suck. Hey, that's family, man. That's family right there. Nobody does that to me for two reasons. One, because I don't think that's done

a lot anyway. Now, people don't just show up a doors and knock and come in. I think that culture's changed. But also, most people know how I am. I don't want to talk on the phone to anybody. I don't mind DJ calling. Interesting. Like, he Face-times, though, all the time. And so he'll FaceTime me and just be like, what's up, Broby? And I'm like, nothing.

What's up with you? Like, nothing? And then we just figure out what to talk about. What's the average conversation time? 12 to 15 minutes. Wow, that's solid. That's a long time for you. I really enjoy him as a person.

There are only a few people on earth I enjoy as a person fully that I make, like, time to person with. He's one of those people. he's just so I wish you would answer I wouldn't say this to his face he's awesome why wouldn't just sit it to his face you gotta let him know how much you appreciate him I do no I know he knows a lot of him

but it just like it just wouldn't come up towards like hey man I just think you're the best do you have that relationship with him where it's like you talk crap to each other and that's how you know like brothers this is how I love you do you know because I have one friend like that too where we talk probably once a week on the phone

and it's like you know you just say something stupid or mean to them and that's basically your way of saying like what's up dude you know um him not really so much that way we can for sure uh he's also like a really good athlete where we get pissed off and we play golf because he's he played college baseball so he's a really good athlete where did he play a couple places okay um and then i just get annoyed and then we get way competitive and then i'm like i know you're cheating i know you're driving off to drop your ball yeah i've been there for that and then and who knows if he is he always drives off but anyway Well, triggered.

Yeah, yeah. I thought you guys were over that. Anyway, here we are. Here we go. If he calls, I will answer it. But I don't know how we got started on my list of favorite Mexicans. I know. I don't know.

How do we get less of my list of my favorite Mexicans? Sam Burns. Oh, it was Caddy. I thought it was Eddie, but it was my other, my other close friend. But I think, too, like when I live in Texas, I was a minority. in my friend group. I was the white guy. It was like all Mexicans

and one black dude and me. And so I tried to get a scholarship. Yeah. I tried to get a minority scholarship. It didn't work like that. And that's why it was weird when like he would like,

hey man, do you want to come over and watch football? Like me and my friends. And then like he would say, yeah, you feel like cooking? And then he would tell me one thing and then he would tell another one of our friends like,

hey, you feel like cooking tacos? And then you tell another friend, hey, you feel like doing burgers? And by the time we got to his house on Sunday to watch football, We had all this food and he's the only one that didn't do anything. Except buy it. That's a big part of it.

A lot of time I would buy it. But I would not just say, do you feel like it? I'd be like, hey, they're going to cook this and it's so competitive. Nice. Even Steve, who we don't run with as much, but Steve was definitely a best friend who's Mexican. And they would argue about who the best chef was, like on the grill. Constantly. That's awesome.

Is that a Mexican culture thing? Oh, yeah. Because I don't have any white. And it could just be, I don't have many. white friends because they could do that too. And we called it like just barbecuing, but it's not like just barbecue and it's a whole thing, you know, like putting meat on a grill outside with a charcoal and all that drinking beers, like it's a culture thing.

Yeah, because you guys grew up doing that, right? I mean, because we grew up barbecuing and, you know, our culture, but it was like burgers and dogs. No. Dude, I'll tell you. Mexican's rock. Yeah, they do. Thank you, man.

No doubt about it. Thank you guys. Maybe the best. They do. I'm telling you. Yeah. When I started looking at, like, at least in my life, I think Mexicans win. And they're loyal.

Like, I grew up in Southern California. That's right. We are loyal. And they're very loyal. And if you're loyal to them, man, they'll be loyal to you forever. This feels so weird hearing you guys talk about me. No, I'm telling you, whites are so far down the list. They are.

Like, we're right here just listening to them. Whites are so far down the list. It just kind of suck. We like you guys. Do you guys ever have meetings and talk about us? No. Like, do you rank the white guys? You know, first in the white guy draft, we're going to take Kevin.

Oh, man. You don't even know friendship. You got a good Mexican friend. That's right. That's right. I was speaking of food. We should talk about the cow thing real quick. This has been on a couple shows, but Eddie has been trying to get us to buy a cow.

I opted out. You opted out or opted in? You're buying part of the cow. I've already bought part of the cow. How much money did you spend? $300. And so you already paid for it. Yep.

And so you're going to get a third of a quarter of the cow. Correct. Okay. What happened? Did he get, did you show him a picture of the cow? Yeah. So we all, you know, it's me, Kevin and a buddy of Kevin's and we all went in. I told you nobody wants to see the picture of the cow.

They Venmoed me the money and I paid the farmer. So then like, you know, what four or five days went by and the farmer said, hey, got your cow. Send me a picture of it. And honestly, I thought that was pretty cool. Like, hey, you spent $900 on a cow. You might as well see what you bought, right? Wouldn't you like to see?

If you bought a tractor, wouldn't you want to see it? Tractor's not living. It's totally different. Okay, okay, let's think. I saw a picture. I saw a picture of the cow. Pretty cute cow. He showed you.

I know. I was like, dude, this cow is minding his own business. But are you going to now every time you just see a cow, you're going to be like, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. No. Chances are you're going to eat the cow that you see anyway. I know, but there's a difference.

Then just knowing that. It's not even like just eating. I say going on to Calphrine and save it. Open the gate. No, that's our money. What are you doing? Hey, I could be saving a life, dude. Something else, food related on Monday is, what do we?

Is it a brisket off? Oh, yeah. Is it brisket is what you're doing? Yeah, we're smoking brisket. Did I give you guys enough money? Oh, yeah. Okay, so I gave each of you $75. Yes, sir.

To go and prepare a brisket. You bought the meat. Do you have to buy like sauces and start? like a... I mean, we don't want to give too much as far as what goes into a preparation of a brisket.

I was thinking about this. I think there should be two different rounds. Round one should be straight meat. Like, no, no sauce. Round two should be with a sauce. Okay.

Like you add the sauce or... You provide the sauce the evening goes best with... No, well, it doesn't matter, but there should be an element of how I would normally eat it. Because I wouldn't just grab it and eat it straight.

So I want to do it. do, round one, straight meat. Round two, meat with whatever sauce you deem to be the best sauce to go with the kind of meat you cooked. I like that. Okay. Because I think I gave you enough money to buy some sauce, right? Well, now, now you're adding sauce, we're kind of going over the edge a little bit.

It depends what kind of sauce. You can get expensive sauce, cheap sauce. You're keeping 80% of that meat? Do you want sugar-free sauce? So I've bought you food for your family for like at least three days. That is true. That is true. Good point.

Are you going to homemade the sauce? I don't know yet. Okay. I haven't thought about this because I wouldn't share any details. Yeah. I don't know. I might just go to a Mexican shop down the street and get a sauce. Who knows?

Good luck with that. You could. Have you bought your brisket? Not yet. I already bought mine. Oh, yeah. I handpicked it. It's perfect.

But people don't realize half of the quality of your brisket, how it comes out, is what it looks like before you cook it. People don't realize that. Well, now they do. So you better handpick it correctly. Have you seen the TikTok video or the guys with his wife and she is picking out fruit? I'm going to say for the sake of this, it's pizza. It can be any fruit. And he's standing beside her, and she hands him a peach.

She puts it in the bag. She fills another one puts in a bag. He hands her one. She's like, that's not good. So then he starts to grab one from inside the bag that she's already picked and hands him to her. She goes, that's not good. I love it. I love it.

So anything he hands her, she's like, this is not good. Even if it's the one she's already picked and put in the bag. That's terrible, man. That's freaking funny. That's awesome. That sounds about right. Yep, it does. You know what I love about those videos?

It makes you feel not alone. Like, you watch a video like that and you're like, like, wow, I'm not the only one that happens to. That's so, that makes me feel better about myself. I want to go to fellow Whitey, Dylan, who's over there? Dylan, can you turn your mic on? A lot of people are like, who the heck's Dylan? Dylan's face has never been on yet.

We're not, he is a luchador, basically. Speaking of Mexicans, he wears a mask. Thank you. Nobody sees Dylan right now. Dylan, as a fellow Whitey, do you like brisket? Love brisket. Would you like to be a part of eating the brisket on Monday whenever they are feeding us the brisket to see who's a winner?

I don't know what kind of person would be if I said no. Yeah. Okay. And you're from Tennessee? From Georgia, north Georgia. Oh, Georgia. Okay. All right.

So he knows probably good brisket, right? Good barbecue. Everybody knows good brisket. That's true. But in California, like, we don't have, you didn't get raised like eating brisket. It was tacos and burritos, you know? Like, and then you come here, like, well, the barbecue here is much better. That's interesting.

What were you raised eating? Like, okay. you go. I set you up. I set you up. What do you mean? What was I raised? Well, he said, like, you know, in California where he was born and raised, like, it was tacos and burritos. Okay. So in Arkansas, an old mountain pine,

what were you eating? If you were to say, what did you eat mostly? Or are you asking, like, if we had barbecue, what kind of barbecue was it? I think I'm asking more, like, what was the food of your area? What did you guys specialize in making in that area? First, it was any food at all. I knew it. It's not, though, but if you said what kind of food did you eat most, two things come to mind.

Hamburger helper and manwitch. Yeah, that's not what I was looking for. I'm not making a joke. I know, I know. I know. Bobby was poor. I get it. But it was if you could find ground beef the cheapest, and hamburger helper or even the knockoff hamburger helpers were so cheap that you can make basically a meal from that.

And manwitch was so cheap. Are you familiar with manwitch? Oh, yeah. It's ground beef and then you put the can in it. Yeah, there's no ground beef. It's like sloppy Joe. It's just, yeah. So good.

With white bread. Like that was what I think of when I think of, like, dinner. As far as, like, barbecue. Like, did Arkansas Keith on a, like, a Friday night barbecue? No, no, no. A lot of fish because we would catch the fish. But barbecue, I guess there was a Memphis influence, but it would be we would just go to like Smokey Joe's or some barbecue place.

Like pork ribs? But I'm telling you, the only time I think we really ate barbecue as a kid was if, you know, the first Sunday of the month, the weather was good after church, people would bring food. You'd have dinner on the grounds, what they would call it, and people would bring barbecue. I ate it there. I wouldn't know it was from them. That's nice. So I don't have a good, I don't know. I don't know what it was. But when I got to Texas, all my young adulthood, I give University of Texas so much crap because I hate them, but I love Austin and I love Texas. And I think I am able to separate the two.

I think people know that. Like Austin, A plus city, the greatest. Like, I like it better than Nashville. And I say that as living in Nashville. The barbecue culture there is pretty solid. A plus. Yeah. It's solid. Different kind of barbecue than Memphis barbecue.

Yeah. And Kansas City barbecue even. And that's why I'm surprised by Dylan and Georgia. Like that's different than... Georgia barbecue. They just fry peaches. Like that was his barbecue. Like his dad would just put them on the grill and put sauce on it.

Here's barbecue. So he's confused. It's meat. He just thought we were doing peaches. You're right. It's different barbecue. Yeah, like I think my love for like barbecue came from being in Texas. I'd like to say again, just for the record, I hate the University of Texas.

Yes, yes. I love Texas in Austin. But that University of Texas hate comes from me being an Arkansas kid and then just pounding us and being richer than us and being in the same conference as us for a long time. But I'm excited about Monday. The question is, Mike, and this is going to be you since you're the boss, do we do it here? Do we come over here or do we just do it in our studio? because we can drive over here easily. There's more room.

We could do it with cameras outside. It doesn't matter. Do they need any prep time before? No. No, we're going to be ready. So you want to do it in the building up there? Okay. All right.

So Mondays of this show, we will do the... Dylan, you've been up to the other building, right? Do you want to come up? Yeah, sure. I'll be there. So is he part of, like, the final call, too, or is he just there to? So here's what it's going to be. It's a great question.

He's not part of the final call, but he is a consultant. And if I'm like a little torn on something, I may have a little conversation with my fellow Whitey and be like, hey, what do you think? And, you know, also if he just wants to eat brisket, it should come up. But we cannot show his face. The new thing about Dylan is, no one can know what he looks like. And if he does get on, we have to get him a mask. Okay. A lichador mask.

That's hilarious. I have a Spider-Man mask. Can I, so something that I've been, I'm not going to do it because I just don't have the energy or time now that I have a baby. something that I was toying with in my head was being a masked stand-up comedian in town, never saying who I was, go do open-mic stuff, and then do actual, open-mite,

because I can't be like, I don't do, I'm gonna do my own show. Because no one's gonna know who I am. And be a masked comedian the whole time and see if I'm even any good. And like, do zanies and like try, but never, never reveal it's me because I can sell tickets

because people think I'm somewhat funny from doing this and I got to be C plus to B minus comedian through just doing years and years of being on the road. But if I just do it in a mask and it's not specifically about things that I'm talking about me.

Like, wouldn't that be fun and funny? Yeah. And also if I bomb and I suck, who cares? I'm in a mask. Yeah. Do you think you being on the radio and podcasts and all that, people would recognize your voice?

I think there's a chance. However, I don't speak in a cadence and we talked about this on another show, it's hard to do an impression to me because nothing I do. Speaking wise is so dynamic that you can easily replicate it or do an impression to go,

that's for sure him. So yes, maybe, but I think if I were in a mask. Mike, what do you think about that idea? I love it. That'd be crazy, huh? I do think people would figure it out after a while, though. After hearing you speak. After a while, yes.

Unless I went up and... I couldn't do a fake. Elizabeth Holmes is it? I thought you could say go if you just go full blue and do like stuff you would never do. Yeah. Or like a voice changer. So that's one thing that I've really spent some time thinking about doing. I don't think.

I have another thing that I think I am going to do that I don't want to stay here. Because I like that stuff. Like I like risk. Like I like it's not the same as like a danger of a police officer. It's not. So I don't want people to get on my balls about it. That's not real danger. We're not doing that.

But I like that. I like going up and trying stuff that's way different. You remember we talked about you and I doing like, so we'd go up to these, like, we'd play shows, but we'd act dead serious and try to sing like Whitney Houston. I will always love you. Well, sort of. So my idea was we open for people where they don't know who we are.

But the person, the people do, that would be on the joke. We have to tell them. So let's say somebody comes to town like Amosly, who I'm a massive fan of, but he's also represented by my same agency. And if he had a sense of humor, my agency,

my management, my manager would be like, hey, these two guys, they want to do seven minutes and they're going to go up and they're going to open for the opener. And we were just going to go and sing as hard,

and the hardest songs possible, acapella, and not stop. And people wouldn't know, we wouldn't even do it in town. We go to like, no, no,

no, no. They don't know where we are. Okay, like some small town. maybe or something in Georgia. Yeah, Atlanta, we put on like some facial. We don't go full mask or anything.

And we're in there and we're trying Adele songs. But we're not cracking for any reason. And we do like three full songs. And all we're doing is recording us in the audience. And then that's the performance. Collarious. Dude, you think you'd be able to hold it? Yeah.

Really? Oh, yeah. You just act like you. Like, this isn't a joke. That uncomfortableness, I love it. I think you could for sure. But Eddie, that'd be tough. And that's not a disc because I don't know.

If I heard you singing like that, dude, I'd be dying. That's like the guys on Saturday Night Live that can't hold it. Yes. That's the kind of stuff like I think about when I'm going, what's my next thing? It's always really outrageous stuff that I end up not doing. But I do have something now that I don't have the time right the second that I do feel like I can do. And I think people will come and it'll be fun. But I've never seen done before.

I won't reveal that here. I think my days as being just a touring stand-up or over. I did a special. It got bought by CMT. It was fun. I still have those elements. I only did that so I could train myself good enough that if I ever got to call to host an award show, it would be totally comfortable for me because I'd been doing stand-up forever.

So I think I'm okay there. I got a little something else in the tailpipe. I hope to be there for it. The tailpipe. It's all just me eating people's brisket. This is the start of it. Welcome Boston. Everybody's prepared brisket.

Let's see who this is the best. And Dylan's your partner, the mask Dylan. This is, this mask. white guy here. Okay. So that's going to be Monday. Have we talked to sports at all? Nah.

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right as Rory returns to Augusta to defend his master's title and you can follow Alan on social media at Alan Shipnuck. Alan, big thanks for coming on. What I want to say first is I saw Rory talking about the food and they were like, hey, why didn't you do more Irish food? And he said, well, because I want to enjoy the food too. So is Rory funny? Reasonably funny. Yes. That was a good line. And of course a few people over in Ireland. I've detected on, on Twitter, we're offended,

but as we say in this, in our business, you know, the truth is my shield. And I think Roy's bang on there. So, but it is interesting because he's, he's this blue collar kid from this,

you know, scrappy little suburb of Belfast. And it shows how far he's traveled in life, the fancy wines, the foie gras, like, a little bit of an eye roll. Like, come on,

Rory. Like, like, don't forget, don't forget your roots. But, At the same time, if you've been to Ireland, you know what he's talking about. Is Rory well liked?

Oh, very much so. Everywhere he goes, he's a crowd favorite. He just had, there's something about him that draws people in. He obviously plays a game with a certain flair. But I think it's more about he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's incredibly just open for such a superstar athlete. I mean, there's a humanity there that is very rare. So people are.

drawn to him, including his colleagues. Like, he makes a point of when, when some rookie wins, you know, a B-list tour event, Rory finds him and congratulates him. And he said, you know, that's important to him. He feels like, you know, when he was coming up, some of the old timers did that to him

and how much it meant to him. He wants to carry on those little traditions. And so he just carries himself with a certain grace and a certain ease that is quite endearing. So, yeah, he's very popular. Now, he has reshaped professional golf and

how much affection he has among his peers depends a little bit about where they are on the money list if you know as as Roy's had this vision of a more exclusive tour smaller fields more money

fewer events a few guys are getting left out of that so they may not have as much affection for Rory but the top players she's put a hell of a lot of money in their pocket they love the guy for that what about when it was Rory versus basically lived. Was that very much wrestling on the outside and, you know, just so we

would see it and so the pub, or was that also internally tough? It was a very messy, chaotic situation. He, but Rory's always had a strong moral compass. You know, even three years before Livigolf launched, there was something

called the Saudi International. It was a European tour event and he was you know, offered ungodly amounts money to play there as an appearance fee. And he said no, that, you know, he wanted to be on the right side of history and that there's a morality to this, because this is only a few months after Jamal Khashoggi had been assassinated by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And so Rory didn't want their money. And he was very clear about that. And he really never wavered. I mean,

you know, his quote was, I want to be on the right side of history. You know, he reveres Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer. And part of their legacy is that they, they created the modern PGA tour by by breaking away from the PG of America, which was this little parochial organization. And, you know, Rory knows that history. And he wanted to be remembered as a guy who helped save the PGA tour. And he did.

And so, you know, his wish was granted. He is on the right side of history. So, yeah, it was very sincere and very from the heart, this battle that he fought to try and to try and represent the PGA tour in a lot of ways represent the game of golf. How big was that win last year at the Masters for Rory? I mean, monumental. It transcended sport because he had been on this lifelong quest, you know, to fill his destiny as this prodigy.

And he'd won everything else. And he'd come to the master's year after year and failed. And he, you know, he'd had a famously had a four-stroke lead in 2011 going to the back nine. He blew up. And that's that, you know, Augustine National became his house of horrors for Rory. And so the outpouring of emotion around that win, it was not because he became the sixth man to win the Korea Grand Slam. I mean, that's cool.

It has meaning in the context of the history of the sport. But it was really the human element because you could see the angels and the demons on his shoulder, that whole round. And he was playing the best golf of his life. He had the low score in the tournament on Friday and Saturday. He was in total control of his golf ball. And on Sunday, he had some of the worst shots and math. It was completely metaphysical.

And to watch him grapple with the weight of history and what this meant to his legacy and what it meant to him personally. I mean, it was riveting. It was the entire human condition on display in one round of golf. And that's why people were crying on their couches and that's why it took over the sports world because it was just the drama was so internal. He was fighting this battle with himself and nothing to do with the golf course or the other players in the field. in the field and I mean it was riveting. You feel like that was more of a relief then for him than it was initially than it was like this monumental quest that it's finally been fulfilled?

It was all of it. I mean, he said it was more relief than joy and that that sort of that visceral outpouring that he had on the last green and then that that unforgettable walk, you know, from the green to the scoring area, which is about 150 yards. And you could see, you know, his face is like a movie screen just playing. laying out this lifetime of heartache and yearning and disappointment

and disillusionment and then finally just catharsis. So it was yeah it was it was a huge relief I think the joy has come after the fact like he's loved being the Masters champion like he's been swaning around this week in his green jacket and making

all the rounds and like the joy came later I think initially it was all relieved. Do you notice guys tightening up as the actual event gets closer to starting. Oh, yeah. No, definitely. I mean,

Johnny Miller, who is one of the greatest players in golf, not to win the Masters. I mean, he said he started choking, like driving down Magnolia Lane. It's, it's just,

it's the crown jewel of the sport, it's what every player wants. I'll grow up watching this tournament. And it's such a mental battle. Just go out there and play golf and just treat it like any other place. I mean, Rory said the first time,

came here, he was afraid to take a divot out of the fairway because it's like such sacred earth. And so yeah, that is half the battle is just trying to be loose, trying to forget about where you are, just hit golf shots. Some guys are better out of it than others, but

yeah, there's a very high choke factor around the masters because of all that comes with it. If you're playing really well leading up to it, especially other tournaments, a lot of times we can dictate, well, he's been playing great, he's probably going to play great here. I feel like that's not always the case with the Masters because exactly what you were talking about. Would you agree with that?

Yes, and then there's the unique playability factors at Augusta National. I mean, they are the scariest greens in championship golf. So, you take a guy like Cam Young who won the players championship last month, you know, one of the biggest tournaments on tour.

That is a, he won that tournament Tide Green. His ball striking was so overwhelming. that he had an okay to a pretty good week of putting, but he's not a great putter. So this is not the ideal venue for him because it really exposes your weaknesses. Same with the greens have all these little quadrants,

and you have to be so precise, and the penalty for a miss is so high. So again, controlling your distances with your iron just so paramount here more than anywhere else. And then chipping around, On the greens, the grass is so short, the lies are so tight. It has to be a perfect strike every time. So there is the emotional component, but it's also this golf course and this setup puts

certain stresses on your game that don't really exist week to week, and it will reveal your weaknesses without a doubt. So it's a very interesting and sort of thrilling combination of the emotional and the physical demands that places on the players. superstition in sports a big deal and friends that play baseball and they're like

man if I thought a perfect session in the bullpen before a game it usually ain't going to go very well if you're playing practice rounds does this translate at all to Augusta like if you're just crushing practice rounds is that a bad sign

I don't think it's ever a bad sign but it's not a straight line correlation that is for sure and also So this week is going to be a great master's because there's no rain forecast. And they're such sophisticated agronomy. They have these giant like basically suction machines beneath the greens. They can dry them out overnight, making them much firm or faster, more demanding.

They can drain moisture out of them if there is a little bit of rain. They can change the greens so fast here that a lot of players feel like from Monday, know kind of the first practice round day to Thursday, the first competitive round, that it's like a different golf course in some ways. It just keeps getting harder and harder and harder. So I think it's always good to hit the ball well and gain some confidence. But it's here more than most places, it doesn't mean that much. When the bell rings on Thursday morning, the demands get tougher.

The questions that the course is asking get more complicated. and it's a different kind of challenge. Alan, this is Eddie, my co-host. Hey, Alan. I got a question. Bobby was telling me that at the Masters, I've never been, but he was telling me that at the Masters,

they take your phones away, you can't use them, or you just can't take them out, or you get kicked out. And I'm wondering, does that create a more peaceful environment with the crowd? And speaking of Rory,

I think Rory's kind of had a history of snapping back at the crowd because they yell at him, you know, being a four, not being from the U.S., So does that kind of create a peaceful environment at the Masters? Oh, yeah. So I used to rage against the machine.

You know, the first X number of years, I was so frustrated I couldn't have my phone because I couldn't communicate with my editors or my fellow writers. I couldn't communicate with my readers on, you know, through tweets, which is a big part of tournament weeks now. And I was just bitter about the whole thing. And now I love it. It's literally the only place on planet Earth where you can just get away from your phone. for eight or 10 or 12 hours and just just soak in all the beautiful nature, lose yourself in the tournament, actually talk to other human beings because they're, they don't have their phone either that you can actually engage.

There's eye contact. Like what a concept. So it's unique to this event. And it also makes people more present because like, you know, you go to tournaments and everyone's got their phone out trying to capture some crappy little grainy video like, bro, this looks better on TV anyway. No one cares. You got a video of this, but people are so obsessed with that. And in this case, when you take the phone away, they just get into the golf.

They're paying closer attention to what's actually happening. They're having more fun with the people around them. So I've become a convert. It's actually a blessing and a relief to just go out there and lose yourself in a great competition. But it's not replicable probably anywhere else on the planet, but they somehow, because they have unlimited resources and because everyone's afraid they're so vindictive if you break a rule you're out forever and so somehow it works here did you become more or less of a fan of rory after writing this book that's a good question i mean i try to be a dispassionate observer like i never describe myself as a

fan but you are human you know and you do have emotions um and i would say that of course i knew the broad strokes of his life and his journey. And when you get into the details of it, it's really remarkable how far he's traveled. And I have a lot of admiration for Rory. I think he's conduct himself with a tremendous amount of grace growing up in the spotlight. I mean, you look at the three biggest golfers the last 30 plus years, Tiger, Bill Mickelson, and Rory. And two of them have had their lives totally derailed by by scandal, by addiction, by vice, by greed and everywhere where he goes he's universally beloved and accepted and he's welcomed and he's just carried himself um he just moves through the world with an ease that's really refreshing

for a top athlete and he's never really forgotten his roots you know he his parents traveled him he talks about his parents all the time and their influence on him his closest friends are the kids he grew up with this little town outside of belfast and you know he has the jet in the mansions and the cars, but deep down, he's sort of the same person. And I find that very impressive and admirable. So I would say my esteem for Rory definitely went up throughout this whole project. How about Phil when you wrote that book? How did the esteem go with that Phil book? Well, the big difference is that Phil is a maniac and Rory is not. But I mean, when I do these biographies, I don't feel like it's my duty to legislate to people how they should feel about the athlete.

I just want to capture the totality of them as a person and as a player. And so, you know, in the field book, I was very happy to celebrate his philanthropy, all his random acts of kindness to fans and others, his mentorship of young players. And he's done a lot of great things in life. There's also been a tremendous amount of messiness. and it's all in the book. The reaction was interesting. A lot of people read the book and said, I actually liked Phil Moore because he's more human to me.

I can see he's flawed, but I appreciate him. And he also lost plenty of fans who read in the book, the way he treated his caddy, the scale of his gambling debts. And so it was kind of split down the middle, which told me I might have done a good job as a biographer just presenting this very complex person. you know, Rory does not have Phil's demons, but it's the same mandate is just to capture who they are

and let readers kind of, you know, decide how they feel about them. And so, you know, Rory's had his controversies and his business life and his love life and they're all in the book because they have to be. But ultimately, I think it's kind of a feel-good story because it has a happy ending with the Masters and with some of the stuff off the golf course for him. And we've been on this journey with Rory and he's he's taking it on the chin many times you know he you know sort of like Phil he's going to be defined by his losses as much as by his victories and and through it all he's he's he's he's he's had a certain grace about it he's he's never stopped coming back and and so yeah it's I think it's a feel good book even at while it's clear-eyed about some of his you know

flaws and employables the book's called Rory the heartache and triumph of golf's most human superstar just came out. And Alan, thank you so much for your time. I hope the book sells a billion copies, and I hope you have a great time out. I'm assuming you're in Augusta now. I'm in Augusta, yeah. Across the street from Augusta National

in this corporate hospitality tent, because you can't have your phone, you're kind of trapped in the media center. They don't really have places for podcasters and stuff. So I'm here eating free food and drink, but the call firm is right across the street. so I'll get there eventually. I hope everybody checks out the book.

Alan, thank you so much. And hopefully we'll talk to you again soon. All right, thanks, guys. I appreciate you. Bye, Alan. The NBA playoffs are almost here. And every night is going to deliver high-stakes drama,

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We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I took an elbow to. my head, which cracked my skull. It is an American game.

The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the My Coutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A quick thing on the Mike Vrabel and Diana Rossini.

And I like them both. Rassini's been on the show a couple times. She's awesome. Everybody here I know the loves Brable loves him. You ever met Rable? I got invited up like golf with him once.

I didn't go. I think that would have been the only time. I don't think I ever met him in passing. Have you, Kevin? No. I wish. I would have thought you would have just because he was in Nashville.

Yeah, he was here. Yeah, the problem is I don't do anything. You know what? Generally speaking, I do nothing. You make a good point. Like, I work, and if it's work, I go for work. I don't, just a P, I know. I don't really want to go hang out with new people.

It's not that I don't like people, but, man, that's a lot of work. Yeah. It's effort. Yeah, so I got invited to play golf with Rainbow once, and I didn't go. Because I didn't know the other two people either. Were they coaches or anything? No. Do you remember?

Just regular people? They're regular people. And one of them I have met a couple times through, like, work. and they're like, hey, why don't you come play golf? It's Deda and Mike Vrable. And then I was just like, man, I don't know anybody. And it's not that I don't want to hang out with people. I get nervous if I'm playing.

I don't know how good golfers they are. If they're all really good golfers and I go out there as a 12 handicap and I'm okay, but especially I haven't played. Like right now, I'm probably 100. I've got to play in this stupid tournament, this thing in three weeks. I've not touched a golf club. And I'm nervous not to play golf because I'm going to be with good people. You don't like to be that embarrassing player.

That's embarrassing to me. Absolutely. It's hard for me to be embarrassed at this point of my life, because again, I don't mind uncomfortableness. I'm embarrassed if I'm on the tee box with good players and I hit it in the shank it right in the woods. Is it anything athletically or just golf specifically, you think? It's mostly golf because that you just never know. Yeah. And it's literally shot to shot.

Yeah, and anything athletically, I feel like I can kind of keep up. So Diana Rossini, I like. Vrabel, I know people that know them and they really like them. So it's weird to talk about two people that you kind of like. The interlocking the fingers. Because I looked at the pictures again last night, and this is days in. You studied them? Well, I saw the people, they had shopped at like four different outlets.

And they were like, hey, TMZ, do you want to buy it? TMZ didn't. Oh, really? And my only point with bringing it up again is there are a lot of people online, even with blue check marks, that have semi-credentialed sports history that are assuming now that somebody had hired a PI to go and get these pictures. Really? Because how else, because that picture of them from far away with the mountains, you know, the one that's...

Yeah. How else you randomly going to get that unless you're there waiting for that? And that's not like a phone camera, I don't think, right? That's so zoomed in. So zoomed in. iPhone kind of rocks, though, now, to be honest. So what do you think about, like, who hires a PI? Her husband.

Okay, so one of the... I don't know that, but if you're asking me... And I would have never thought this. I just see a lot of that online, that it was so out there, which is why the... they probably went there, that you're not just going to. And also, if you're not a sports fan, you don't know who Mike Vrable and Diana Rusini are. Correct.

Correct. Yeah. They're not even Steph Curry, who is in sports and crosses over a bit. The only thing that makes him stand out is, he's big. No, but even then you wouldn't look at those two and think like, oh, yeah, that's exactly, I know exactly who that is. Yeah, agreed. Unless you're a sports fan. Do you think they were just getting a, do, do you think?

I will say it doesn't look good. If you had to bet money on, here's $100. Do you think they're going to get it on? Yes. You? Yeah, I was, yeah. And I'm not judging. I'm just taking my money and betting it to double it.

It's that picture that does it all, man. Well, and then, you know, they're hanging by the pool. And they're just those two. And they keep saying that all these friends were with them. I've not seen any pictures of any friends. That's what I was thinking too. I was like, if you have friends, your friends need to come out right now and post all the pictures. Also, I don't care.

meaning if they're cheating in their families are hurt that sucks for their families I ain't judging because who knows they could have had arrangements hey honey I get to bang variable once a year right yes you know Bill Gates has that had that with his ex-wife he got to go away with his old girlfriend once a year

really? Yeah wild isn't they're pretty now am that wild so I'm not going to judge anybody for any action if no kids or animals are being hurt and if they're generally not hurt but I don't like I'm not like awful people but yeah they're probably doing it right

I would bet. I was thinking how I could defend it too. I hope they weren't. But I'm like... Is there a game that you play where you interlock fingers? Great. So Red Rover was, right. Right.

Yeah, you think there's something else I was going to run? Red Rover, Red Rover. Or they're doing that walk through. Like when you lift your hands up. Maybe they're practicing for something like that. No, you hold your hands up and people come through the starting line out. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, dang.

So maybe... Because wasn't there an event, like down the road or something that they were here for? The AASC Pro Day. Okay. Yeah, Eddie, who thinks they were getting ready for the pro day. So maybe, yeah. That's why the players come out. I don't know.

Yeah, not good, man. But, man, I hope he wins a bunch of games this year. That's all you care about. That's your coach. It's my coach, dude. That's like when you ask me about DAC, I'm just like, man, it's not good. But, hey, still love the guy. He's my quarterback.

Okay, so I did an interview with Michael Shrayhan, and it was fantastic, and I hope you heard it on the Bobbycast. And we really didn't talk about it here on sports, but if you did miss it, I'm not playing the whole thing. But I do want to play, like, 10 minutes of the conversation with him when we talked about his wild sports journey. And so Michael Strayhan, Hall of Famer, mostly if you missed this, you can go hear us talk about him going to space, him doing Michael and Kelly and Good Morning America. Do we ever get the suits from him? They ever follow up? No. He's sending you suits?

Yeah, his lineup belt. Should we follow up? Should we? I have some of his dress shirts that about a few years ago. They're awesome. I'm going to follow up. Give me your measurements. Just send it over?

Yes. Do it. He says he's going to send me a, a shirt shirt. A couple suits from a suit line. Oh, nice. I never followed up. I should just to see if they send me the suits. Oh, that's a good, good point.

I should just send over my measurements. Good point that I just made to myself. No, no, him. He made it. He said, just send over your measurements. Don't ask, okay, was he serious about this? Just be like, hey, Mike said he was going to send over some suits. Here are the measurements.

Uh-huh. I need you guys to measure me. Just do it. Get the tape while eating brisket. All right, here is Michael Strayhan. You're a big dude, but you're a very warm guy. Do you feel like you've always been that way towards people? Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.

Yeah, I've always felt like people are important. I was always, growing up as a kid, was kind of had those job that you weren't the seen person in when you're cutting the grass or you're moving furniture and people just don't see you. You're kind of just there. So for me, it's always about being warm and making people feel seen. So, and I like people.

So, yeah, I always feel like I'm that guy, Except for the football field. Outside of that, I'm actually pretty nice. Was that a switch? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You got to have a switch. You have to be able.

It's weird. When I was a kid, kid being like 21 in the first year in the league, you have to, you think for years, like, I got to be mad at that guy. I've got to be mad. He said something about my mama. Like, you're creating all these scenarios in your head.

But as I got older, It was, hey, we can have this conversation right now. And I say, hold on, Bobby. Put my helmet on, run out there, look at the guy, smile at him, beat him up a little bit, come back, put the helmet down, and continue the conversation. It was more about learning how to control your aggression, how to control your focus. And it took me some years to do it. But it made the game easier, made it more relaxed, made it more fun, less stressful.

So, yeah, I definitely felt like you have to have a switch. If you don't, you'll burn yourself out quickly. I know you spent time going up in Germany. I'd never been until recently, and I stopped in Munich, and I got a hot dog, and I really put, I put a lot of pressure on that hot dog being good, just because. You got a brothel? Yes. And so at high hopes, high, and I got, and it met every expectation that I could have ever had.

Really? Yes. And I talk about it. If anybody's like, you ever been to Germany, I'm like, not only have I been to Germany. Let me tell you about this hot dog at a street fair. It was a brat. It was definitely a pride. So what ages were you there?

We moved to Germany when I was nine. And then I came back to the States for half of my senior year to play football and lived with my uncle in Houston for five months. Got one football scholarship to Texas Southern, got back on the plane in December for Christmas and flew back to Germany and graduated high school there. So I was there from nine until 17, 18 years old. my parents stayed until I was 27. I was in the NFL for six, seven years before my parents moved back. So I would still go back. I'd go see my family, obviously.

I felt when I first came back here for high school for that half of my senior year, I felt more German than European than I felt American. That was home. And yeah, it was definitely a culture shock to come back to the States. Did you only play American football then for one year? year? I played one year in high school. Yeah. That was it. I had no idea what I was doing, man. I was just like running around, getting the guy with the ball, just whoever. I had no idea. I knew no technique. I watched the game on TV. You know, you just tackle the guy with the ball. So if I could do

that, I got one scholarship. And then from there, I figured it out. And I learned, you know, I've really learned a lot about how to do it. I watch TV, man. I would watch NFL games. Sunday. Even when I was in college, I'd watch NFL games on Sunday and I'm just watching a guy and what he's doing and how he's successful at different things. And I remember reading in those something, these magazines that needs to have the players, their size, their weight, all these things. And I remember going, I need to be 6.5-250. I need to be 6-5-250. And my brothers aren't big guys, really. And I ended up being like 6-5. At times, that time, in my career a little bit over 250 of the big bones.

But by the end of the day, I ended up being what I always imagined I needed to be in order to be successful in the NFL. It's crazy. I think it's been pretty amazing to watch the new professional identity you've created. But I do, and I work for the NFL, and I work with Matt Castle, who was a quarterback. And we talk a lot about athletes who, when they leave, they kind of have to figure out who they are because all they've ever done is be that. Was that mentally for you?

Was that a struggle? Absolutely. I knew I had a job with Fox when I retired. I mean, that was done. I'd already had a deal that I'd signed and put in a drawer. And the first year of that deal went by and I still, I went back to the Giants. But wasn't about having a job. It was about having a, you know, being comfortable.

And my first year at Fox for three weeks, I was thinking I should have gone back to play football. This TV stuff is not. for me. It's hard. It's a lot harder than it looks. But once I got it down, I love it. But yeah, football was just, it's something we've done our whole lives. And how do you transition out of that? And you walk into a room and you feel like that's all everybody sees is the football player. They don't see the human being. They don't see someone who has other interests, someone who is more rounded than what they expect in an athlete to be. So yeah, that was a big adjustment for me, even though I knew I had a job. It still was tough.

Did you feel like when you would go into a room that you would try to prove you were more of what you actually were, but try to be more of that so people would take you as that instead of just an athlete? I think at some point, probably, probably. But I was talking to a movie guy, movie producer, and I remember saying to him, yeah, you know, I feel like I go into these things because I thought I wanted to be an actor at that point. So I'm like, yeah, I go to these auditions. And I feel like I walk in and they just go hit the football player. And he said, people will see you as you see yourself. And he said that and it kind of like, okay, I got to take myself out of just that football player mentality. And once I did that, it's like a lot of different things start to happen.

I think people did see me in a different light. I think being just taking advantage of opportunities. And by that, I mean getting over the. fear of failure, the fear of being in front of a group of people and something not working out, just saying yes to something just for the experience of it and see where that led. And I look back now and I'm so grateful that I kind of got over the fear of the failure, the fear of feeling like you're going to look stupid if you do something. And just get rid of all that stuff, drop your ego at the door and go to work. And that's what I did. And it's worked out.

I want to ask about the coach Vic experience as a kid growing up, love Michael Vick of Virginia Tech. Like he was that dude. I remember the commercials, the Mike Vick experience commercial on the roller coaster, you know, so the rides on Mike Vick and then, you know, when he went to prison and he's back. So I've just kind of seen Mike Vick, the roller coaster of Mike Vick. And I wonder now, because I don't know him and he's coaching now. Like, what did you take away from Mike Vick as an adult and as a coach and as a leader of men? Well, one thing I will say about Mike, that I've known Mike a long time. And I have so much respect for him because he realized what got him in trouble back in the day

and the way that he was living his life back in the day. That was the wrong way to live his life. And here's a guy who grew up in a certain way doing certain things that seemed normal for the community that he came from. But they weren't and they weren't right. So he paid his debt. He went to prison, came out of it. prison, got back on the football field, but also had a lot of, you know, he owed a lot of money

to a lot of people. But he didn't file bankruptcy and rip everybody off. He paid people back. So I look at Mike and I think Mike has a lot of honor. I think as a coach, I don't know if there's any other player. I would listen. I would be amazed by, I look at Mike and I look at Dion. I mean, these guys are some of the goats of what they did. And they both are the guys who were signatures, like they were so incredible at the time. They're one of the few football players at the top with their own shoes, with their own apparel line through Nike. Like, we didn't get that as football player.

That's how exceptional these two were. And I love Mike as the coach because I think he's had some life experiences that other kids, these kids need to hear. These kids need to experience someone who's been on top, who's been on the bottom, who's making their way back. And I think as the coach, it is so much probably more than he thought it was going to be. it's a lot to bite off. It's a lot of work.

There's a lot of time away from your family. The other reason I got in the TV because I wouldn't want to be a coach. So I think that Mike is a great example of resilience. I think he's a great example paying your debt to society and get back on your feet. And hopefully he can turn Norfolk State back around because last year was a rough year,

but I think he's also learning along with these kids as a coach. And I think they're learning from him, as men. Do you think you could have played another year? Yeah, absolutely. Why didn't you? I walked off the field, Bobby.

I didn't lent. Okay, why? We won a Super Bowl, man. I had 15 years. I did everything I wanted to do. There was nothing left to do. What was, I'd won awards. I'd done all the individual stuff.

And after so many years of that, you kind of go, this is not really fulfilling. Only thing I hadn't done was won a Super Bowl. So once that happened, I was like, why am I sticking around for the money to blow my knees out? And the next thing I got something that's going to mess me up for the rest of my life for a few bucks. And I just kind of felt confident enough that I could make something happen outside of the game of football. And thankfully, I've been able to do that.

But yeah, I could have played another year. Physically, I felt great. There are days I wake up now and I feel like I can give them another year. Who have you been able to interview that you were star-struck by? when you sat down with them? You. Stop. Where we go?

What about it? What about an athlete? When I interviewed Derek Jeter, thought that was pretty cool. Or it's usually anybody from when I was a kid that I looked up to because when I meet them, I'm like, this is crazy because I still have that inside of me. Even if I know everything's like real and, you know, people are people. But like when I meet somebody from when I was a kid, I still have those feelings.

I mean, you know what? The guy that my, they're really good. Like, Jeter's my buddy. I mean, I won't get me started on that knucklehead, but I love him. The one guy who I love to is a good friend and everything else, but you see him and you're still like, whoa. And I remember the first time I interviewed him with first year he got into NASCAR. And I was like, Michael Jordan. I mean, MJ is still MJ.

And so that was like the one guy. And as a kid, I started trying to walk a little bow-legged and stuff like that. and wish I'd grown to 6-6 and about 2-15. So I could have played basketball, but that didn't quite work out, so I had to go to football. But MJ, MJ is like one of those athletes that I look at. I'm like, okay, this is Michael Jordan.

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