The Bobby Bones Show - AMY: Craving Change, Even When Life’s Fine

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

Amy and Kat are embracing feelings this week, like awe, accomplishment, and the occasional spiral about dead bunny symbolism. They talk about resisting the urge to make a huge life change for a dopamine hit, the overwhelming chaos of reading instructions, and the satisfaction of moving your couch ½ an inch. Also in this episode: a voicemail from a therapist about the Mel Robbins deep dive, Kat’s Facebook Marketplace obsession, and Amy finally watching “Shiny Happy People.” Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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feeling things. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat. And today for our feeling of the day, well, Kat and I both have one. And I feel like our feeling is going to be similar or even the same. So I just want to count to three and after three, we just say our feeling and we see if it's the same. Okay. Okay. Am I going to go one, two, three or three? Should we count up or down? Does it matter? Okay. Up, up, up, up. Okay. One, two, three. Accomplished. Oh. I mean, that's similar. You're, wait, make sure that they heard what you said. I said accomplished. And I am feeling in awe of myself.

Right. And I know based on what we both got done and accomplished in our lives recently and how proud we are of ourselves, that's why I thought we may have the same word. And I was going back and forth between proud and accomplished and just all around awesome. But a tiny bit confused because it's like I've asked myself a lot the last few days, why am I this way? Why am I this way? Well, okay, back up.

Why do you feel you're not feeling in all of yourself? That's me. Why are you feeling accomplished? Well, Kat and I have been living a very similar life. It's like we're synced up in more ways than one. And we keep learning all these different ways. like, oh, that's another thing where we're the same. And it likely is just how our brains operate. Kat has been thinking about moving and some of that has been underway, which is great. But when

things get, you know, down to the wire and stuff is starting to get real, I mean, the motivation, like the dopamine. It's the pressure. But it's also exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't explain it. It's like there's this rush and things that I know you've been putting off for a long time that you finally were able to do. I'm not really moving, but for a few days, I acted like I was because I found this house that came on the market that is me. Were you looking on Zillow? Yeah.

Yeah. It's so fun. As a hobby. Yeah, it's really fun. And then this house popped up and it spoke to me. And I was like, this is so great. Like everything about it is so perfect. And I did just move sort of recently.

Me moving now does not make sense. But I was making it make sense. You know? You just finagle this, finagle that. And I'm like, it'll be fine. And this will be a good investment. And I was convincing myself. Well, come to find out during the week that I thought I was moving,

I got so much done. But now I'm not moving. But the trick that I played on my brain during that week was epic. So anytime you need to get something done, you have to be like, I'm moving next week. But here's the thing. Like I think it has to be kind of real. It feels now like it was a trick on my brain because of how it ended up, which ultimately it came down to the wire because the house got another offer from somebody else.

So then now it's like pressure's on. I need to put an offer in if like I'm for real for real. and suddenly everything that was so perfect that I was seeing, I started to see flaws in the plan and started to see how this doesn't really make sense. And, you know, silly things like capital gains, like, who cares if I haven't owned my house for a year? And then it's like, let's be responsible and not ridiculous. Although I do think what I were to, if this is what I convinced myself, what I was going to lose in capital gains, I'd make back because this is such a perfect investment.

Yeah, you told me that. It may take five to 10 years, but. It would be worth it. It would have to stay in that house for that long. Correct. So when you sent me, because I was on vacation and you sent me that list of things you had to do. The punch list. Yes.

And I never thought like, in my head I was like, wow. It's a random time for her to finally be putting knobs on her refrigerator. But good for her. I never thought like she's probably trying to move because you literally moved a year ago. And your house is like perfectly you. maybe not perfect but like you've updated it to make it your style and then I was thinking moving is the worst why would you want to do that moving is awful it's totally awful like I don't know if I was just craving chaos in fact I texted my friend Claire and she just replied back is it

possible your brain is craving the dopamine hit of all of this LOL and I was like interesting it's craving the dopamine hit or it's craving chaos which you know I used to see chaos and relationship. Well, now if I don't have that, because my relationship is healthy. He won't take the bait. Am I seeking chaos? Just like create, make life more complicated than it needs to be. But I took the kids to look at the house and they were like, oh, this is. It was really cool. Great. Took the boyfriend to look at it. He, of course, picked out small little details of like things that bother. He's like, look at this trim work. And I'm like, trim work. It's fine. He's like, why are the outlets this way? And I was like, I would never know.

I'm like, we'll get new plate covers. Like that, that's why. He's like, well, but you have to look. Like, if this is what you're spending, this is what you should be getting. And you want to pay attention to these things. He's like, I'm not saying this stuff is a no-go or a no-brainer. But he's just way more analytical. And I'm more of like, but how about the vibe?

Like this wallpaper is really cool. Like, what's the feeling you have right now? Because in the backyard I was like. The feeling I have is the crown molding is off. It's like, cheap. cheaply done very very very yeah he's like this is basically some two by fours just thrown up here and painted black to look chic and i was like well it's giving it's giving chic it's giving chic and i like it's giving chic and i like that yard was so zen well in the backyard i was like was this an

Airbnb it felt like i said to you this looks like a resort yeah but it was quaint it wasn't anything big or overwhelming in fact there was no real yard to take care of even though the yard was zen it was like it's a zen garden yeah Like there was some plants that need to stay alive, but they had a little sprinkler system attached to that. So I was like, this is doable. Press the button. Yeah. Wait, would you have missed your backyard?

No, I think I would have really enjoyed that space. But congrats to whomever put in the offer that then made me decide I'm not willing to be in a competition for this house because it's really not for me. However, I'm very thankful for the week that I was going to maybe do it because, yes, have I needed to pick out knobs and pulls from my kitchen drawers and cabinets for nine to 12 months? Absolutely. And have I had any urgency to do so? No. But then you make me make decisions and I can order curtains. I can, I mean, obviously some of the things I had to hire people to do, but it's like the thought of spending that money was now like, it's okay. We just need to get this done. Although I will say I got a quote to paint my laundry room and it was ridiculous. So Sashira and I painted the laundry room ourselves. So that also felt good. You're in process of painting the laundry room.

Yeah, but it's by the time this airs, it will be done. It'll be painted. Yeah. Thanks for that. Just try to keep you honest. But you started it. I did. Yeah.

And it will be finished. Yeah. Future me, it's finished. That's so funny that Alex said that when you brought him to the house because when I brought my dad, not Patrick, because Patrick's brain's kind of like me, he's like, this is the best thing ever. I brought my dad to one of the houses we were looking at. I knew within 30 seconds.

I was like, you hate this house, don't you? He's like, I don't hate it. My mom was like, just let him do his thing. He's like, well, you need a new water heater. And he was like, I'm going to go into the crawl space. He's like, do you have a flashlight? And I'm like, you have one on your phone. And I'm like, just say that you hate the house.

And he was like, I don't hate the house. You just need to do this. You need to do this. You need to do this. It's going to be a lot of work. And the floor sucks. And blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, you hate the house.

However. When I went to see that house for the second time, there was a dead bunny in the yard. Is that a sign? Yes. I said that to Patrick. I said, we can't get this house. It's a dead bunny in the backyard. What if the dead bunny is good luck?

Why would that be a sign of good luck? Because when I first bought this house, there was a dead blue jay. A couple months after I moved here and my dad is a blue jay. I know this is going to sound psychotic. But you know my mom is a cardinal? My dad is a blue jay. Well, then there was a dead. Blue Jay right outside my back porch, like under this beautiful tree. Wouldn't you want it to be

alive Blue Jay? Sure, you would think. But then I googled the meaning behind it or what it could mean. And it was about new beginnings. Well, what's Dead Rabbit mean? Well, we just need to look it up. You can make anything mean what you want it to mean. I'll figure it out. Don't worry. We didn't get that house. So I hope it doesn't mean we should have that out. Oh, I thought that was in the one. No, that was the first house we were excited about. And also, my dad does know a lot about houses he builds houses so i i was like dad hates it like i need to think about this again and then yeah you start to see things you're like why isn't there any trim around anything or why is this this way or this bathroom would be a lot of work and then you're putting together all the money you would pay to fix the

things and then you're like why could just get a nicer house so then we found another house and my dad liked it a lot better but it was just funny that i'm like it's perfect my dad's like no it's not but that's another thing that was actually very helpful in this process of looking at houses because I get so excited and I'm like, yeah, let's just sign the contract now. And then my brother was helping me look at houses and he was like, not everything is perfect about this house. There are some great things about it, but it's not perfect. And so it helped me take some of the emotion out of it so I could make a wise decision and not just like be excited about the idea of moving because I had to actually spend a whole session of my own therapy trying to figure out am I wanting to do this because

the dopamine hit and I want something exciting and I want to be able to control something because a lot of my life is out of control and I can't plan a trip right now or is this the right thing for me to do right now in my life and it's the right thing so it turns out that it is the right thing that I think it's good that you took the time to process that whatever decisions we have going on I think sometimes we can move too quickly with the emotion thankfully I had the other people that were swooping in to buy the house because it allowed me to pause. Because otherwise I was riding those emotions and they were riding high. And you would get this house and you'd be like, shoot.

And I was like, hop on everybody. Buckle up. We're buying a house. And most people were like, huh. This is weird. This is weird. But okay, I could also appreciate those that were being really supportive and excited too because we could make it make sense. but you and I both are just thankful for the motivation and the dopamine that we got out of our situations

because Kat has been selling things on Facebook Marketplace, left and right. And I want you to go over your list of things that you've been able to sell because if people walk away from this episode with anything, it is that you can. I have a message right now. From Facebook? Yes. From a buyer? From a buyer.

She's been wheeling and dealing the whole time she's been at my house. And it's like, you can be a money magnet. You likely have things all over your house that you could sell and make an extra 200, 300. Or in Kat's case, she's made $700 in the last week. What are you shooting? I was distracted and I'm being bad at Facebook Marketplace because I told somebody they could come get this furniture, but I already sold that set. Your ratings going down. Oh, shoot.

Okay. Well, we're doing a podcast right now. I will be able to do that. Let me read you. Okay, I will say, if I've learned anything through this move, it's that I can make a buck fast by going through all my closets. And I had four sets of patio furniture in my backyard that I never sat in. Your backyard isn't even big. Where was this stuff? I have a nice size backyard for where I live. It was all in the corner of my backyard collecting dust. I wasn't like dissing your backyard. Your backyard sucks. No, yeah, but. I'm just clarifying for people, it sounds like you had four different patio sets.

Like how does, they were all this piled together. It didn't look nice. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually didn't buy any of them. They're all like patio furniture that my mom got new patio furniture and kept giving me her old stuff. So I really made a lot of money because I'm selling things that people gave to me for free. Spoiler. But my friend told me, she said, write down everything you sell because when you sell something for like $5. it feels like oh this is a waste of time but then when you look at it all i've made like well if that if i would have told that person the right thing i would have made like eight hundred dollars we're in the seven hundreds do you want to know what i sold yes okay guys you can sell anything i sold a opened pack of bubbles from my wedding i sold like bottles with bubble like individual little we didn't use them because it rained but do they say like cat and patrick forever no they have like little

hearts on the end of them. Cute. I don't know why some of them were taken because we didn't use them. But anyway, somebody bought those. I sold a digital camera that I bought when I was going to start recording episodes of You Need Therapy. And then I was like, this is too hard. Sold that.

I sold an umbrella that I found in my storage bin. I didn't even know I had it. I never opened it. An umbrella? Like a, I'm sorry. A patio umbrella. Oh, okay. I could have sold umbrella.

I sold patio furniture, rain boots, a clothing rack, disco ball planters, drink dispensers from my wedding, a sparkle backdrop wall, an easel to hold a sign, my second option of shoes from my wedding that I never wore, two dresses from anthropology, two aloe sports bras, a purse, and sound panels. Wow. I didn't know that clothes were on there. I mean, I guess I've always thought poshmark for clothes and furniture and house goods. for Facebook marketplace or, you know, bicycles or cars even.

But I didn't know dresses. So that's good information. Because then you don't have to pay the cut to Poshmark. No, but I will say I sold them for low dollar. I think I could have sold them for more on Poshmark. Okay. And then lost that I just wanted them gone. Gone.

Because you're in the mood. You're wheeling and dealing and dealing. Yes. And now I'm like, oh, I can get something nice for my new house and it will feel like it was free. Exactly. Girl math. Yeah. Oh, guess what? I feel like, because I didn't get that house, I have way more money.

So I get that too. Like I was like, I just made so much money. I was like, so sure, do you want to go shopping? Because like I just feel, well, it was tax-free weekend, so I also wanted to get her some back-to-school things. But I felt like I shopped more for her with ease because I thought, look at all this money I just saved. Not moving. I didn't lose capital gains. This is amazing. What else do we need? I mean, it doesn't make sense at all. I get that.

Yes, it does. For a second, it just, like, the feeling is different. And when I was at Target, though, because I was trying to declutter my house, I was like not allowing myself to buy anything except for this one lamp that is going to look so cute in my living room. But then also my ADHD brain, which is why I am the way I am about the knobs and the pulls, like I don't want, it's overwhelming to make a decision on which knobs, but I'm under pressure, I'll just make a decision about the knobs, which I was able to do, which is why I

feel accomplished. Well, with the lamp, I wanted to feel accomplished as well with that. So I get home and I bust open the box and it's a complicated situation. It's not, there's three parts and it's like one of those overhangs, like it's going to stretch over the couch and hang there with like three little. And it is like shades. So I start putting it together, just assembling it. Willing willingly. I'm like, oh, this seems, okay, adjust this way. I put it in the position where it's going to be behind the couch and I start building it from the bottom up. And I sort of get to the top and I'm stuck. And I think, okay, well, that's fine. I'll go look at the instructions now that I'm to this point. So I look at the instructions and at the top, it says in all letters, this is a two-person assembly. Please do it on the floor, like a carpeted area on the floor near where you want it. I had it exactly where I wanted standing straight up. But this is like, Like on the hardwood. They want you to lay it down on the carpet, assemble it from the top down. So I had already done it all wrong and backwards.

So all my hard work is undone. And then I'm over it at that point. So the lamp is just like that, not finished out there by the couch. And now I'm not selling my house. So I don't have the motivation to finish it. And I lost all my energy to do it. So I'm an idiot. It didn't look at the instructions.

And I'm like, why am I this way? so then I got hyper fixated on the position of my couch. And for the next hour, I kept inching it like, you know, a quarter of an inch, half an inch, an inch to the left to the right, front back until I got it in the right position, which if I dedicated that hour to reading the instructions and doing the lamp, the lamp would be done. But something about hyperfixating on the couch, like, felt better to me. Well, also you want to, the feeling of getting it done. Like, I think I got addicted to Facebook marketplace because, like, the feeling of making a sale

Yeah, it's like, you know, it's, yes. And so like the feeling of getting the couch where you want it, like that can happen faster than you having to redo the lamp. Like I want another easy task. But I know to read the instructions. I know this, but instructions are boring to me and I'd rather do trial and error, which is what I'm in the middle of. And another reason. Steps are overwhelming. I would rather you create chaos in your life by not reading the instructions of putting together your lamp than you moving. Okay. So if you need a little chaos, just. Just. go buy something that needs to be assembled and do it without the instructions. And then give up on it halfway and then it just lays there. Yeah. Until Shannon helps me or something. Speaking of Shannon, she found the symbolism of a dead bunny. Oh, am I going to like it? A dead rabbit can signify a loss, a need to let go of something or a transition in life,

like a relationship, a phase of life, or even a particular mindset. So I needed to let go of that house. Well, you needed to let go of some, maybe that house, But also, I felt like in their house buying process, you can tell me your feedback. Okay, I have feedback. I started to think halfway through my thought. I was like, I don't want this to come out rude. Yeah.

Because, like, I don't know. I'm not trying to tell you what to do. But you did have a little bit of a lack mindset. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clever Taylor the fourth.

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On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You did have a little bit of a lack mindset. Yeah. And I wanted you to think with more abundance. just kept texting you, you're a money magnet. You're a house magnet. You make money with ease. Circulating money brings you joy. Which obviously these are just playful things. It's not totally real. But in case it is real, I'm going to keep saying it. I did have a lack mindset because

I didn't want to get myself. I'm doing a lot of things right now that are costing me a lot of money. or that costs a lot of money. So I also know myself and... They're important things. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But I also am somebody who, like I talked about, I don't know if it was last week or the week before,

but I do things without thinking and that usually works very well for me, but I don't do big financial risks without. So I had to think about this stuff. And I don't know that I have like money trauma. I think I just like having money in the, bank versus like but then my financial advisor even said he said what's the point of having money if you're not spending it like what's the point of making money in your life and working really hard and then just like letting it sit there forever you can't go to heaven with trailer hitch

that's what they say but if my financial advisor was saying that then who's the guy from sugar land the guy Christian um i was going to say Christian but that's Batman Christian Johnson Christian Christian from Sugarland I think he has a song He had Sugar Land the band And then he had his own Christian Bush

Yes that's it I think he has a song literally called Can't go to heaven with the trailer hitch Houston's probably gonna cut that out Houston told us Our producer told us the other day That for the podcast Sometimes Kat and I will start singing

And he's like just so y'all know I've been editing some of that out Because we give him We give him full control Spotted, you said, wait, what? Yes. You would edit out our jingles that go on for far too long? How dare you?

Yeah, which is probably why we're no longer like, feeling of the day. Because I think it was quite annoying. Yeah, and he just didn't let us know because he does have full control with that and we trust him. And we don't go back and listen. And so we had no idea. He's like, hey, just so y'all know, I've been making the executive decision to cut out some of your singing. And we're like, cool. I literally did reply, wait, what?

Oh, it's on YouTube. Guess what, Houston? It's still on YouTube. Yeah, because Kat didn't edit it out of there. But so yeah, if you want the singing, YouTube. Subscribe to her YouTube channel if you want to hear us sing. Yeah, if you want the musical version, subscribe to our YouTube channel. Like and subscribe.

which cryo cats in here she does our video and she was the one that helped me move my furniture to begin with like i was able to move it inch by inch by myself like just rear but to rearrange how i rearranged because i flipped it and put the couch on the other side in the chairs wait i'm just putting this together you guys did that by yourself that just couch is so big yeah me and cat but i would say cat mostly or is it not it's not like uh she just watched me well what had happened was i have golfer's elbow. Oh, which is... It's what they call pain and the inner part of your elbow, and it's not necessarily from golf. It's just, like, tennis elbow is the outside. Like a dull pain?

Like a throbbing pain. And like even right now when I press it, it's tender. Someone said it was brought on by perimenopause. This is when I was painting the laundry room. Everything is, I feel like, perimenopause now. What if it's just like you, that motion hurt your arm for it. I mean, it could be, but also, yes, I do agree with you that everything feels like perimenopause or ADHD. Yeah. In my life. So maybe this was just like

because you were working really hard. Well, you wait till you're 44 and then hit me up. Okay. When you, when you're mid 40s and it in parameda plus, like, you know if I can still paint. Like for example, I was with my boyfriend on, I guess this was last weekend. So it was on a Saturday. It had been a great day. Great Saturday. You know, the kind of Saturday, we'd all help for. And we had plans to just, like, go hang out. We were going to maybe go to the driving range, hit some golf balls, and then go grab a bite to eat, real low-key way to wind down the day.

Even with your golfer elbow? Yeah. Wow. Well, I hadn't hit. So we didn't know we didn't go. Oh, I'm telling you. You can hit golf balls, but you can't move the couch. No, I haven't hit a golf ball because I'll tell you what happened.

Okay. All the sudden, out of nowhere, like, 30 minutes before we're about to go, I start to just get really uncomfortable. Everything is uncomfortable. And I am physically? I don't know. Can't explain it. I'm annoyed.

I'm uncomfortable. And I'm aware. I'm like, what is happening? This does not feel right. And we were just having a good day. I have nothing to be annoyed at. Then all of a sudden I get sad. And then I really start to worry because I have nothing to be sad about.

I even look at him and I just said, I'm uncomfortable. and I feel sad. And this is freaking me out because we've had a great day and life is good. I have nothing to be sad about. And then he's like, okay, so he starts kind of rubbing my shoulder.

Like he's like, just take a few deep breaths. And I'm like, and then all of a sudden tears just start flooding down my face. Like, I can't stop them. And I'm just sitting there and I was like, I don't even know what's happening. I'm not sad right now. Like I don't feel sad,

but I have to cry. And I'm crying. and I can't explain it. That's perimenopause. You can't tell me otherwise. So then he's like, well, maybe we need to just like, what would feel good for you right now? And so I sat there. I cried as much as I could.

And then, you know, crying releases chemicals that help you feel better. So I felt a little better. And I was like, maybe we should just go for a walk. So we were at his house. We just walked outside, went for a walk. And then his son was home. And we were going to end up, if we hit golf balls, we were just going to go eat by ourselves and then his son was like going to figure something out so we were like let's just go let's take him take

him out to eat he'd probably love that and so we ended up doing a little mini family dinner with one of our five kids and it was a totally different night than what he had planned like our cute little date night got hijacked by my hormones but it ended up being better and it was what I needed but I have no idea why I just started crying and I was thinking he's never experienced whatever that was like he's experienced me snap a little bit at times. But not. Whatever that was was really weird. And he handled it like a champ, I must say.

You've cried in front of him. Yes. But there was a legit reason. If I've cried in front of him, it's been like, you know. Something's going on. Yeah. Like, yeah. Are our kids ever going to get along or I'm going to meet your wife that passed away?

I'm going to spend the weekend with her family. And I'm overwhelmed by that. Like, those are when I, like, that's valid tears. This was unexplainable. Okay. That's different than like I was painting all day and then I got this injury, but it couldn't be from the painting and that motion. It's probably from Perryman. That's different.

Yeah. Well, I was saying like that's explainable. But also I don't know. Maybe it is. I could also be wrong. I know nothing about Perrymone of Haas. Well, there's just fun things like that to look forward to. Like one day you and Patrick, you're going to be 44 and you and Patrick are going to be having this great day and you're about to go hit some golf balls.

And then all of a sudden you're like crying. Well, I had my week to, what was it, two weeks ago when I just was like crying. But you know why that's happening. Yeah. That's hormones too. Yeah. That was weird. I felt sad though.

This was like it was so weird because I was like I'm not sad right now. I want to hit golf balls. You're like a kid who's like overtired who's like I want to go buy. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was more. I was it like whiny. I was just more like per play. Like I was like what is happening?

But then like you're feeling this way at the same time that they don't make sense. When speaking of a cryocat, we were talking about the golfers. I was moving the furniture, whatever. But I was on the phone with her before I did that. She was like, what are you doing? And I was like, well, I think Alex is not going to go hit golf balls and whatever. And she was like, do you like doing that? Like, she goes, is this something you want to do?

And I was like, yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah, I guess if you're just like you're with the right person, your interest change. So I had a roommate. She's still one of my best friends. Kaira, you've met her. She lived with me for like a year. and she was dating her now husband and he's a big golfer that this was pre-patrick too so i never

had golfed in my life and she would always like get dressed and was like i'm going to go to the golf course with jay whatever and i remember multiple times being like that sucks like i remember being like oh you've just on your day at the golf course and she's like it's actually kind of fun And then I met Patrick and I was like, Kyra, low key, I love golf. I mean, I don't want to do 18 holes. You went and bought clubs. Okay, first of all, I do not buy clubs. Patrick bought me clubs, but that was a gift for him.

It wasn't a gift for me. He wanted me to have my own clubs. Well, you like them. They're purple. And I like going to do like nine holes. I really would love if they did like six holes. That would be sweet. That's where I lose interest.

But when I gave a speech at Cairo's wedding, and one of the things I had a list of things that had learned from her and Jay, and one of them was about golf. And I said what you just said, it doesn't matter as much what you're doing, but the person that you're doing it with. Because I now love golfing with Patrick,

and it's not that I now love the game of golf. It's when you're doing something with somebody else, and I also get to see the joy Patrick has. And then I'm like, oh, I can kind of enjoy this, but I think I more so just like being with him. You know? It's exactly what it is. And you get to wear cute outfits.

Yes. And I was about to say, speaking of the outfits, I found some cute ones on Amazon. I'll have to send you the links. I thought you were going to say Facebook Marketplace. I didn't know to look for clothes on there, but maybe I'll check it out.

Because I look for other things on Facebook Marketplace. Like I sell and I shop there, like all the time, like trying to look for things. I don't have a lot of, luck but I have sometimes. Yeah. Like there's a few things that I've missed. Oh, like my dining room table and my chairs. That was clutch. That was a really good buy. Really good by. Is that CB2? Yeah. And they're pretty much brand new. Speaking of a cry, oh, gosh, you and carried that and picked

out. Oh, really? Oh, because you have a truck too. Yeah. She picked up a mattress for you. Yeah, I think. She's my strong friend. She's my strong friend. Oh, yeah, I think it was for Ben because she's friends with Ben too. So we were moving stuff. Hey, I'm moving soon. You got cryocat. So you were on vacation. Yes.

Which was really exciting, but. I was on vacation. I was on real vacation. You said cut it out. Just kidding. And you said you read a book there that you want to recommend because you have a book and I have a show. So I don't know about you, but I really get my like reading bug when I'm on vacation and then I want to read every book after that. And I can't, I would learn that this book has a sequel. The perfect

marriage. It was so good. And well, I don't want to say anything. I don't want to say anything. But you give it like five marriages out of five or what? I would give it a four point five out of five. That's good. And there's a sequel so like that's exciting it doesn't have to be over yet i read it so fast i read it and like because the first maybe three or four days of vacation i didn't read it all because i was playing you know and like with your nieces and yeah so my nieces and nephews it was really cute to watch them on the beach and like jump in the water with them but then once people got their like playing jitters out then i read three days finished it and i gasped at the end i was sitting next to Patrick and I go,

and he's like, well, now you have to tell me what happened. Well, that's how I feel about we were liars because you're watching that right now. And when that ending happened, I gasped. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out because I'm in the middle of the seventh episode and there's eight episodes. And I know something crazy happens. So I know it's not going to be what I think it is. I'm not saying anything because I don't want to run the risk of spoiling anything at all other

than I also gasped. So you've got the perfect marriage was a book that'll make you gasp. We Were Liars, which is on Amazon. Can I guess? No. No, I can't even guess. Because then other people, no guessing. I'm going to write it down after this.

And once we've had enough time, oh, you could say it to me off mic. I just don't want to ruin it for anybody else. No, I'm going to write it down. So then I can read it on Mike and be like, so yeah, I guessed it right. Okay. Well, we were liars is something you're watching.

I've already finished with. That's not what I was going to recommend. I thought I was bringing something new to the table because this is also on. Amazon is when I finished We Were Liars, it rolled into like a different series, which is shiny, happy people about the Dugger family, a documentary. Yeah. And I, mind blown, like things that I learned and saw, I was like, unbelievable stuff that I

forgotten about their family. And it's just crazy that the dad thought, like, I'm going to put my family on TV and like, this sort of stuff is going to be happening and this is how I'm going to handle it. It's just sort of like that. I'm the head of the house, probably mentality of like, I'm not going to get it. What's like a, it's a weird. I don't remember. Maybe Shannon can look at the exact because I don't want to get that part wrong.

It's like very obedient. It's like a fundamentalist. Yeah. Okay. So you were telling me that and I was like, I think I watched it when it came out. Yes. It's not new. Come to find out.

You were like, I feel like this been out for a while. So I just Googled it and it came out in 2023. So it's been out a couple of years. But I have, I don't remember a lot of, like, you're. saying all this and I'm like what was shocking I forget oh well it's okay so one thing and this isn't spoiling anything but the the adult daughter she is prominently in it and then one of his nieces is talking about it but the adult daughter and her cousin I mean they were kids when the show started but as they matured and got older and they even got married and then they were used on the show they

never got paid because he was the one TLC had in the contract he they paid the dad and then I guess he could disperse. And there was a time where she was having a birthing episode where she was pregnant, especially giving birth. And she was like, I'm not, I don't want cameras in there. Well, her dad, like the day before her wedding or something, he just casually like had the contract out on the table and was like, hey, babe, I need you to sign this. And she kind of ran by.

And obviously, she's a lot going on. She's getting married the next day. So she didn't pay attention to every detail. And she signed it. Well, it was like a, I'm making this up. But like, say it was a five-year deal. Well, after her marriage, when she's pregnant with her first, child that's within that five-year window and then she's like oh well we don't want cameras in

but part of the contract was well you don't have a choice but she wasn't getting paid and then she was like well can tlc can y'all give us money for this because and they're like oh well our deal is with your dad and we're paying him handsomely so then they went to the dad and said we would like payment and he said i can pay you $10 an hour isn't that okay maybe i didn't finish shit because I don't remember that. Yeah. Just crazy stuff like that. That feels very illegal, especially with the kids. I think now, I don't know what the laws are, but they were adults. That's why, right. But in California, there's some law that's changed about like influencers and stuff where if you're using your kids as part of whatever, you have to pay them. So that's

why a lot of people are moving out of California, I feel like. I don't know. So they can like, so they don't have to do, because they lose money. There's some weird law that like you are losing People that like help protect children. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, that's weird. I'm not condoning it.

I'm just saying I think there's something like that going on. Okay. Let's see. Dugger Religion. Independent Fundamentalist Baptists affiliated with the Institute and Basic Life Principles. That's what it is. Oh, IBLP. Yes.

IBLP, a conservative Christian organization. And then there's that one guy. I feel like the church I grew up to, they would listen to stuff by him. But there was a lot of his seminars that he would do and they were very much in alignment with his stuff. that guy was just like spreading his but it's like a kind of cult yeah it feels a little yeah a little weird okay well maybe I'll watch this again even though it's an old wreck apparently there's a season two of something that's season one the one I'm watching but is it about a different family potentially it could be about something completely different but that makes me sad though

because I watched was it 19 kids and counting yeah or they kept changing that ever actually I watched that and I was like oh this family's Seems so nice. No. Mm-mm. No, it's a mess. And remember the brother, he, like, did inappropriate things with the sisters. And then one of the sisters that had happened to, she's the one that is now part

of the documentary and was saying, oh, yeah, I never got paid. Like, she's saying even, oh, she did. I would, I would maybe find that interesting. She seems like a really sweet person. And I'm glad that her and her husband are kind of out of that. But, yeah. nothing about that seemed healthy. And they interviewed other people that were watching the show that were part of that

religion and they or had grown up in that religion or at least were married to men like that in the religion and they felt very suppressed. And they were like, no way TLC is putting this on there because they know what life is like really when the cameras aren't rolling because they know how these homes work. And so they're having to watch it and being like, oh my gosh, like this is my life. but in America's like eating this up and these people are gaining fame. Yeah. But when it's just not a healthy situation.

That's a lesson though. I mean, it's hard because if the content's interesting, we want to watch it. But it's that John and Kate Plus 8, like that was nothing what it seemed. Did you not watch that? You're looking at? I did. I know. Yeah.

I loved that show. But like, I think what? I don't know. It's just interesting. You're like, I love 19 kids accounting and John in place, John and K. let's say I loved Oh mom. I loved breaking Amish too. Oh, I don't know that one.

Oh, that one was cool. I guess when you're Amish, you get to have like this experience. I mean, says this show. I don't know if this is actually true, but you get to have this experience where you'd go into the real world. And then they have to make the decision, do I want to come back into my Amish world or do I want to live here? But if I live out in the real world, I'm cut off from everybody. So you're watching these teenagers or like young adults go and experience things for the first time, like going to a movie theater or drinking or just like going to a mall, stuff like that, like with freedom. I bet a lot of it was not true now that I'm talking about it.

Or maybe it was. I'm a schmuck. You're a schmuck. You'll believe anything. Actually. Okay. To be fair, I watched this in like middle school. Yeah, because it was like 12.

Fast forward to the you now. Like you are very skeptical. That's why I'm a skeptic because breaking Amish. Which is why you wanted to do are Mel Robbins' deep dive. Yeah. So this is a good transition into the really cool voicemail that we got. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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And this is about the Mel Robbins Deep Dive episode that we did about the Lepin theory. I usually never call because I feel weird leaving voicemails. But I think the greeting really put me at ease for one, but I'm listening to the Mel Robbins deep dive. And I'm not even all the way done, but I felt so inclined that I had to pause it and call. Because as a therapist, I like a therapist in Florida, I'm finding myself saying, yes, oh my gosh, yes. and putting my finger on exactly why I've been struggling with the self-help world because at first I thought maybe I was jealous that people are so successful in this realm and maybe I'm not at that level, but I really have a hard time finding a way to monetize

the help and the fact that therapy really isn't all that sexy and it's a really slow process to create lasting change. So I just thank you for the conversation. I appreciate it. A great day. So that was nice. And from someone that's in the space that you're in that sometimes can be challenging. And I like that she said a part of her was like, maybe I'm just jealous because this person's successful. Because I've had to ask myself that a lot. I'm like, well, is this just like a jealous not able to be like happy for other people?

Or is this skeptical because it feels like there's some manipulation or there's some false advertising? same. So I feel that too sometimes. Well, you did a great job with the deep dive. I got to say. I went back and watched it on YouTube and I was a little nervous, especially because I was the Mel Robbins fan. And I think I've said 500 times. I didn't want to feel like a bash session because also we don't want to be known for just like not having space for everybody or putting people down. And also we can be a space where research can be done and information can be shared and a lot of people didn't know about the plagiarism controversy and I just assumed because that's part of our algorithms and I've fed that a lot that most people knew we got so many notes from people that had no idea and then a lot of the similar vibe

to the caller the voicemail of like I kind of just always knew something was a little off but couldn't quite put my finger on it so thank you for now giving an explanation to like what was not sitting well with me. I'll read an email that we got, which by the way, if you want to call and leave a voicemail, and I love that she said at the beginning, I usually never call because I feel weirdly being voicemails. I think a lot of people feel that way, which I thought a lot of people would like to call. Yeah. But that's just, we get more emails than voicemails. But if you feel inclined, 877207, 207 is the number. And then you can email, hey, they're at feeling things, podcast.com. like Beth did.

Here's what Beth wrote in. Hey, Kat and Amy, I'm a long time listener of four things, like from the very first episode. As in, I still make my bed to this day because of Amy, and it changed my life for good. I never knew how to journal, and then I bought the Four Things Journal because it felt accessible, and it slowly changed my life, as in I now journal a full page almost every day. The transformation from Kat joining the show as a guest to her own podcasts on the fifth thing to feeling things. has been so cool to watch and cheer on. It feels like watching two good friends find the very best versions of themselves.

I'd actually stopped listening to Four Things and was only doing the fifth thing due to time constraints. And the decision to become feeling things has been such a gift to me. So thank you. Amy, it's been such a joy and encouragement of my own journey to watch you learn, grow, and change your mind. And I'm going to insert myself here. This is not the email Amy talking about. And that's where I feel about Mel, because I did talk about her so much. and that was another thing, like an Instagram DMs that I was seeing from people was like,

I only started following Mel because of you or I learned about Mel from you. And then I felt like, oh, shoot, you know, it's a weird place to be in when you've hyped someone up and then again, that veil is lifted and then you feel like now you're bringing this other information. But then when I got that line from Beth, that was very encouraging to me because I am allowed to learn, grow, and change my mind. And she put change in all caps. So, Beth, thank you so much for that specific line. And then she went on to say some nice things about me, blah, blah, blah.

And then she went on to, which thank you, Beth, for that. Words of affirmation are my love language, but I'm not going to read them for everybody else. And then she said, the Mel Robbins episode, thank you for the deep dive. I was introduced to her through you and initially liked what she had to say. However, recently, with the let them stuff, it just didn't sit right with. me. I didn't even know about the plagiarism part. It went against everything I've been doing in my healing and therapy journey. And while it wouldn't have bothered me if you still followed or quoted her, firm believer that we all have different journeys, it did make me feel connected and

seen that you also felt disenfranchised as well. So I truly appreciate y'all's deep dive episode. It was so refreshingly transparent. Thanks for everything you both have done for me in ways you'll never know. Hope you have the day you need to have, Beth Duncan. So thank you, Beth for that. And thank you, Kat, for the thoughtful deep dive because that was all you and you executed it beautifully, exceeded any expectations I had. And I think I had a lot of expectations on how I wanted it to play out. And you killed it. Well, thanks. And I was thinking as you were reading that, you changing your mind in this area is brave. too. It's, it's, I think there's courage in that to say like, oh, not that you were wrong because it's

that you learned more information, but I think you putting yourself in that position, you could have just been like, no, I love Mel. Well, I still found myself struggling with like saying that I'm not, like, I'm like, because I'm still, exactly. I think there are things I still like. And again, I think I learn more from guests that she has on now than her, her. But I did. find myself, even though I was, I'm increasingly more just, eh, about her. I still wanted to be like, I mean, it's not that I'm not a fan. It's just like, this is information and do with it what you will. Like, am I going to be, like, I started to read her last book and I couldn't finish it. If she puts out another book, now it's like the next phase of my relationship with her is I'm probably not even

going to own that book or ask for it as a gift because I told my sister, oh, yeah, I would love it. So she got it for me. I did see someone left us a comment on Instagram. they're like, oh shoot, what do I do about my let them tattoo that I got? And I was like, well, people were getting those tattoos. There was a whole, when I was doing my research, apparently there was a movement when that poem came out that people were getting those tattoos. Yeah, because I think Cassie Phillips had got a tattoo as well. The let them tattoo can let, and I hope that this was clear, let them works in a certain

context. It just isn't as overarching in life changing and works in every area of your life, like some of the stuff that has been coming out lately about it, it has limitations. But it's just like we talked about any of the other little things we have, like the wait to worry and all that stuff. Those still can be meaningful to you. So I replied to that person and I said just that. Like it wasn't like take the information we shared, but your tattoo can still be special and be very fitting in certain cases. But it didn't make me think about our tattoos because we want to get some of ours lasered off. Like I've got joy in a squat and they're bleeding so bad. Like I want to get them lasered off, but I have a summer tan or you can't

have sun on your skin. I don't think. Oh, when you get them. Well, I just don't want to pay for it right now. Because you have to pay for your other things. I'm having, what do you say? I have a limited. You're having a lack. You have a lack mindset. Maybe if I just start getting my tattoos laser off, I will just be a money magnet and it will just come to me. You already are. Like, sell a few things on Facebook for your tattoo removal. Please buy this patio furniture I'd like to get my tattoo removed. I mean, that's girl math sometimes. It's like, okay, what am I not using right now?

What can I offload? And then boom, it's like it never existed. What do I want more this couch or my arm back? Well, it depends. Is it like the main couch you sit on? Or is it when your mom gave you the sitting in the corner? I don't know. I might, I could sit on the ground.

Like I have this rocker chair under my tree in my backyard. It's red. I don't know if you've seen it. It's like a glider. Yeah. Do you me sell it for you? I'll tell 10%. Listen.

Oh, is it from your mom? It was my mom's. Oh, then you can't sell that. But, well, I was thinking about stuff your mom gave you and how you're selling it. Oh, I know it's different. It's like her wayfair patio furniture. I know. This is totally different.

I'm just telling you the thought I had. You know how one thought leads to another thought. You know that? Yeah. Yes. I've heard that. number two. Okay. So when you're talking about that, I was like, oh, I was thinking about my patio furniture from my mom, which I don't love the color red, but my mom loved red. So I thought for a long,

long time, I need to paint it. So I really need some sort of dopamine hit or motivation to get that painted. But also, I was seeing the other day, do I have to hold on to this? Like I have some of her jewelry that means a lot to me that I wear all the time. I don't even know that I really like the glider. I just keep holding on to the dang glider. It's sitting out underneath the tree facing a fence. Like if you were to sit in it, there's nothing enjoyable. Like, you're gliding and you're like, look at my neighbor's fence. And is it dirty? Look at, yes, it's dirty. The paint is peeling. Okay, but, but you could repurpose that into a beautiful piece of furniture. There are people that do that. I watch them on TikTok all the

time. They take like a dresser they found on the side of the road and they turn it into like this beautiful work of art. So I think that could be. a metaphor of something refresh in your life. I was thinking... Couldn't be me because I would just spray paint it. Okay. That's what I was going to do.

Spray paint it. Like dark brown or Matt Black. I think we can find you somebody who can like... Okay, well, then we would have to sell some things to be able to pay for the refurbished chair. No, it's okay. I would invest in it if it like makes my mom's piece special. Like I'm okay with that.

Circulating money brings me joy. Anytime you need a buy anything, just tell yourself that. Because when you're paying money to somebody else, it's like you're giving them money. You're helping them live the life. And then that brings you joy. So therefore, it's the whole system. Okay, well, let's find somebody. And if you're listening and you're like, oh, I do that and you live in the area,

maybe they can come fix your chair. Yeah. Yeah. Don't. This was Wayfar furniture. Not like a family heirloom. Ordered it. I mean, I have pieces.

This light. in here that I love is from Wayfar. It's baller. Yeah, I know. I think I might buy it. Yes. I sent you the Wayfair. Yes. It's so cute. I mean, I don't know the brand of it. My mom's could easily be from Wayfarer. I have no idea. It's not some like precious. She didn't used to glide in it and you would watch her glide. On her back patio. I mean, I mean, we could sit in it. My mom never sat in this. I don't think my mom ever sat in this furniture. I don't have like a memory. But there are things that I have as we were moving stuff. I kept being like, oh, I have a box of rolled coins in a shoe box, duct taped.

It's so heavy. There's like $200 of rolled coins in this box. I will never cash it in because I found it in the closet of my grandfather's house when we were cleaning their house out after my grandma died. He had passed away before her. And we have memories of rolling coins with our grandfather when we were little. And so I took all of the rolled coins And I divide them out between four

Because I have three siblings And which they had a lot of money in his closet Because what is that $600? And I will never we were moving it And Patrick's like, what is this? And I'm like we're never taking that to the bank I will have that until the day I die Because it is a memory, you know?

Yeah, there's feelings attached to that If I just found rolled coins in my parents' kitchen I'd take them to the bank. I don't have a memory with that. Yeah, like your grandkids are for sure cashing that in. No. They're going to be like, do not take this to the bank. This is a memory of your great-great-grandfather, your great-grandfather.

I was picturing Stashera finding that and she'd be like, mass. Grandfather, shmanfather. Feet don't fail me now. She'd cash that stuff in so fast. Okay, well, that's that. This is our episode. There was a lot of feelings in this episode. We have feelings of we were in awe.

We felt accomplished. We feel sentimental. Yeah. We feel confused by hormones and weird cries. And I feel pain in my elbow. Lots of feelings. And we hope that you enjoyed the Mel Robbins deep dive and appreciated it. Again, I'll say one more time, Kat, you did an excellent job.

We have requests for more deep dive. So we've got to figure out who if you all would like to send in your request. We've already gotten some. But you could send in people you would like them on. and we can work on that. Or things. It can be like on a cult or some kind of trend or something like that. Golfers elbow?

A deep dive. I don't know that anybody would listen to that, but maybe we could make it fun. I mean, a deep dive on pari menopause would be so helpful, but I feel like we would need an expert. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Not that's beyond our scope. And speaking of our ADHD showed up a lot in this episode too.

So I know that a deep dive on that would be appreciated. but from an expert. So some of our deep dives may be from us or we'd have to bring in experts, but we're open to anything. So yes, send in whatever topics you would like looked into with a microscope.

And yeah, we hope you have it. We have, you have, I have. We're having the day. You need to have. Bye. Bye. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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